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The Late Debate | 10 September · The Late Debate

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  Speaker 1: Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to The Light Debate.
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  Speaker 2: Welcome to the show.
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  Speaker 3: I'm Danika DiGiorgio, joined by News 24 contributor Joe Hildebrand
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  Speaker 3: and former New South Wales Police Minister David Elliott.
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  Speaker 2: Gentlemen, good evening. How are we both?
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  Speaker 4: We are fantastic.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, we were just talking.
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  Speaker 3: About some of the old bands before we went on
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  Speaker 3: air that are touring Australia.
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  Speaker 2: Now, you're off to see Nicky Dollins.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, so the monkeys. Well, Nicole doesn't know that yet.
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  Speaker 5: That was supposed to be a surprise.
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  Speaker 2: And I've buggered it up.
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  Speaker 4: Thank you. That was a real.
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  Speaker 3: Danika fundamental error that I have absolutely.
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  Speaker 4: Buggered this up.
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  Speaker 2: Happy anniversary, darling.
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  Speaker 4: Happy anniversary.
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  Speaker 2: I apologise to Lady Elliot. I've completely buggered that up entirely.
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  Speaker 2: I do apologise.
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  Speaker 6: You'll have to do a quick switcheroo and take her
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  Speaker 6: to see Kiss.
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  Speaker 2: You take her to see Kiss instead.
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  Speaker 3: Well, I was just saying that Kayla Bond, my normal
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  Speaker 3: fellow panelist, and I were off to see Suzy Cuatro.
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  Speaker 4: That'd be great.
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  Speaker 6: I kind of figured that Suzy Cuatro was more known
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  Speaker 6: for her.
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  Speaker 4: Sort of, shall we say.
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  Speaker 6: leather pants than for her, you know, extensive songwriting catalogue.
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  Speaker 6: But you tell me that, in fact, she's quite a
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  Speaker 6: very deep musical pedigree.
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  Speaker 2: Wild One, Stumbling In.
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  Speaker 4: Yes. Can the Can. Yeah, Can the Can was one
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  Speaker 4: of my favourites.
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  Speaker 2: Absolutely. Bangers. Bangers.
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  Speaker 1: See?
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  Speaker 6: That's certainly what I thought when I was watching her
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  Speaker 6: on Saturday.
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  Speaker 4: Happy days.
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  Speaker 2: You and I had different thoughts.
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  Speaker 4: Maybe a different kind of bangers. We'll let it go
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  Speaker 4: after 10 o'clock.
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  Speaker 2: Good God. I'll tell you what, it's started already.
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  Speaker 4: All right.
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  Speaker 2: Apologies again, Lady Elliot.
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  Speaker 3: Coming up tonight, go for gold and get a rainbow
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  Speaker 3: tick for plans for an LGBTIQ plus accreditation scheme to
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  Speaker 3: make Brisbane Olympic guests feel more welcome. Donald Trump promises
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  Speaker 3: dividend payments worth almost $ 10, 000 Aussie dollars to every American
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  Speaker 3: involved if the Republican Party wins the midterms, bribery or
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  Speaker 3: smart politics.
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  Speaker 2: And we'll get stuck into.
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  Speaker 3: Grace Tame's apology six months after the fact for calling
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  Speaker 3: October 7 rapes propaganda. But first tonight, should you shake
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  Speaker 3: a prospective employer's hand in a job interview? it seems
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  Speaker 3: to be the reason why one man didn't get a job.
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  Speaker 3: Now the disappointed job seeker shared screenshots to Reddit, which
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  Speaker 3: included the message he received from a recruiter informing him
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  Speaker 3: that he was unsuccessful. So it says we were very
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  Speaker 3: impressed with your experience and you seem like a very
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  Speaker 3: friendly and efficient individual. However, we will unfortunately not be
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  Speaker 3: passing you through to the next round in the interview process. Now,
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  Speaker 3: the applicant then responded, you know, what could he improve
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  Speaker 3: on for future applications?
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  Speaker 2: And he was met with this response.
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  Speaker 3: You were very impactful with the other interviewers, but this
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  Speaker 3: job requires a sense of professionalism that some of them
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  Speaker 3: did not feel like you possessed. When meeting people from
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  Speaker 3: other companies that we will be working with, you are
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  Speaker 3: expected to go through certain formalities, even if they seem
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  Speaker 3: redundant or unnecessary, like shaking hands when introducing yourself for
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  Speaker 3: the first time. Now, the man expressed his shock at this,
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  Speaker 3: claiming he was deterred. from shaking the hands of interviewers
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  Speaker 3: because the walkway along the table, assuming that is where
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  Speaker 3: they were sitting, was really narrow and would have required
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  Speaker 3: him to clumsily walk around all the other chairs to
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  Speaker 3: go over to them and shake each of their hands.
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  Speaker 2: And he also claims.
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  Speaker 3: That none of them even got up when he entered
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  Speaker 3: the room. so it didn't cross his mind to shake
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  Speaker 3: their hands. Well, I'm not sure why he would think
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  Speaker 3: that they would have to get up off their chairs
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  Speaker 3: as soon as he entered the room.
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  Speaker 4: Doesn't the person of lower rank get up?
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  Speaker 2: Correct. Don't you think?
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  Speaker 3: And I always think you should shake the hands of
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  Speaker 3: your prospective employer. I don't care if there is tables,
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  Speaker 3: chairs or pillars in the way.
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  Speaker 4: Pillars of fire.
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  Speaker 6: If you have to walk across a giant lake of
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  Speaker 6: flames and hot magma to get.
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  Speaker 4: To the other side, you shake hands. I agree with you.
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  Speaker 6: I think there's something kind of really meh about people
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  Speaker 6: who don't shake hands. It's just kind of like sort
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  Speaker 6: of there's something insipid about it.
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  Speaker 2: Yes.
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  Speaker 6: And I think it's the same kind of people who
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  Speaker 6: during the pandemic were sort of going around double mask going, ooh, ooh, ooh.
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  Speaker 6: It's like there's something I think instinctively human about wanting
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  Speaker 6: to sort of, I mean, if anything, I'm an overshaker.
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  Speaker 4: I will go in for the shake and.
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  Speaker 2: Then I'll move into the hug.
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  Speaker 4: You've never shook our heads before. Not only for people
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  Speaker 4: I like. No, come on. But I totally agree with you.
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  Speaker 5: And I did a column about this the other day
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  Speaker 5: about some of the niceties. You look them in the eye.
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  Speaker 5: You stand up when women walk into the room. You
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  Speaker 5: stand up when you're shaking the hands with somebody. You
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  Speaker 5: stand up if they're standing up talking to you. Now,
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  Speaker 5: sometimes I'm sloppy as much as the next person.
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  Speaker 4: But it's true.
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  Speaker 5: I mean, he probably should have shaked everybody's hands, but
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  Speaker 5: it's a really weird excuse for not giving a good
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  Speaker 5: candidate a job as far as I'm concerned. I mean,
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  Speaker 5: I think, but the other thing is, remember, in society today,
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  Speaker 5: I mean, I'm like you.
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  Speaker 4: I hug everybody. I'm surprised I'm not in jail. Yeah,
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  Speaker 4: that's right.
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  Speaker 5: Because I, and 90% of our social network are Mediterranean,
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  Speaker 5: and growing up in Western suburbs, everybody was, you know, from.
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  Speaker 6: You don't kiss someone twice on the cheek.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah. I get in trouble.
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  Speaker 5: My wife will get cranky with me if I don't
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  Speaker 5: kiss her girlfriends hello. Now, I've had previous girlfriends where
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  Speaker 5: they get in trouble if you do kiss them hello.
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  Speaker 5: but depending on the circumstances and the length of the kiss.
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  Speaker 4: Of course.
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  Speaker 5: But I can't understand these days that modern society has
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  Speaker 5: decided that, well, some people you can shake hands with,
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  Speaker 5: some people you can't shake hands with, you know, and
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  Speaker 5: certain cultures, you know, they'll put their hand to their chest, whatever,
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  Speaker 5: that's fine.
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  Speaker 4: But in Australia, that's what we do. We shake hands.
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  Speaker 2: So you don't have....
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  Speaker 3: Don't have an issue with how the company has handled this.
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  Speaker 5: No, no, I do have an issue with it because
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  Speaker 5: I think that they shouldn't have knocked him back just
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  Speaker 5: because he didn't shake their hands.
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  Speaker 2: I think it's an act of professionalism.
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  Speaker 5: But the reasons why he didn't give them... I mean,
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  Speaker 5: read the room. If they didn't stand up... If somebody
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  Speaker 5: was sitting down when I walked into the room and
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  Speaker 5: I was meeting for an interview and they didn't stand up, well,
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  Speaker 5: then that would be awkward for me to sort of
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  Speaker 5: walk over to them and shake their hand.
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  Speaker 2: I disagree with you, David. I think that you make
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  Speaker 2: the effort. That's twice as quick. That's twice as I know. Look,
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  Speaker 2: it's early in the night as well. No, I disagree.
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  Speaker 3: I don't think that they needed to stand up to
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  Speaker 3: introduce themselves. I think as the prospective employee, you need
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  Speaker 3: to go up to them and show them your worth
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  Speaker 3: and show them that you're confident enough to look them
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  Speaker 3: in the eye and shake them in the hand.
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  Speaker 4: Shake them in the hand. No, no, no. Shake their hand.
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  Speaker 4: I'm going to shake you in the hand tonight. Shake
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  Speaker 4: you in the hand.
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  Speaker 6: I'm with you because I think if it's someone that
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  Speaker 6: you haven't met before who you are trying to literally
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  Speaker 6: establish a connection with, I.
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  Speaker 4: Mean, that is why the whole gesture exists. It is like.
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  Speaker 6: showing that you trust someone, that you have a physical
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  Speaker 6: connection with them, that you're establishing.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, maybe I'm overthinking it a bit.
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  Speaker 6: But, like, again, I would, and all the time, someone's
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  Speaker 6: sitting down, you go over, you know, I would often
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  Speaker 6: go over to people and, you know, either shake their
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  Speaker 6: hand or say, and you say, don't get up, but,
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  Speaker 6: you know, I'm just here to let you know that,
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  Speaker 6: you know, I'm here, Your Majesty.
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  Speaker 4: I'm the CEO of an institute.
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  Speaker 5: I employed two people a couple of months ago in
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  Speaker 5: both rounds of interviews, the three or four candidates that
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  Speaker 5: came in. I met them in the reception. I walked
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  Speaker 5: them into the boardroom. I opened the door for them.
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  Speaker 5: I poured them a glass of water. I sat down
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  Speaker 5: with them. Because you're nervous enough as it is when
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  Speaker 5: you're in a candidate for a job. The last thing
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  Speaker 5: they want is for the CEO to be sitting at
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  Speaker 5: the end of the table. sort of harump, harump, harump,
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  Speaker 5: and tell me where you were born and what school
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  Speaker 5: you went to. I don't think that that's a congenial
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  Speaker 5: way to start an interview.
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  Speaker 4: They do sound pretty annoying, don't they, the interviewers who
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  Speaker 4: are just sitting there like galactic council? Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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  Speaker 4: I want them to feel comfortable. Because you want to
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  Speaker 4: see their real... If you have been.
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  Speaker 5: that open with them and that welcoming to them when
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  Speaker 5: they come in and they still stuff it up, you know,
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  Speaker 5: they're not going to be any good.
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  Speaker 6: Maybe it was like role playing because they are saying,
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  Speaker 6: so this is obviously a job, it doesn't say exactly
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  Speaker 6: what it is, but this is obviously a job where
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  Speaker 6: this person is expected to liaise with and presumably impress
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  Speaker 6: and do business with other companies, so a lot of
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  Speaker 6: business to business kind of thing, and they need to
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  Speaker 6: know that if the other company is as stiff and
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  Speaker 6: informal as they are, that this guy can break the
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  Speaker 6: ice and, you know, sprinkle a little, stardust and spread
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  Speaker 6: a little love.
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  Speaker 4: And he clearly couldn't bring it to the table. I'm
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  Speaker 4: starting to think that maybe they got the wrong guy.
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  Speaker 2: They did.
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  Speaker 3: Clearly he didn't have the magic that they required.
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  Speaker 4: Well, potentially.
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  Speaker 5: So let's go to Grace Tame. She's not very graceful
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  Speaker 5: and she's not very tame. Now, to start off with,
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  Speaker 5: what she went through is appalling and as somebody who
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  Speaker 5: has nieces and sisters and a wife and respects the
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  Speaker 5: female gender more than anybody else could, I'd like to think,
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  Speaker 5: she has my respect for going through what she went through.
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  Speaker 4: However, I.
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  Speaker 5: Really think that at the moment she has dug herself
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  Speaker 5: into a hole that means she's got all the credibility
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  Speaker 5: of a $ 3 note. Let's start with the apology that
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  Speaker 5: she allegedly gave following the October 7, as propaganda from
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  Speaker 5: October 7.
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  Speaker 7: Human Rights Watch was unable to find evidence to support
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  Speaker 7: the claim that Israeli women were raped en masse on
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  Speaker 7: October 7, 2023. However, I do not deny the legitimate
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  Speaker 7: accusations of rape made by individual Israeli women, including accounts
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  Speaker 7: of gang rape. I believe in Jewish survivors, as I
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  Speaker 7: believe all survivors. While the intention of my remarks was
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  Speaker 7: not to imply otherwise, I acknowledge and sincerely apologize for
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  Speaker 7: any harm their mischaracterization has caused.
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  Speaker 5: This apology has come, what, three, four, six months or
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  Speaker 5: something after she had essentially called all Jewish women who
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  Speaker 5: were raped on October 7 liars.
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  Speaker 4: And coming from a woman who is a major.
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  Speaker 5: advocate of victims of sexual abuse, it kind of sent
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  Speaker 5: mixed messages. And I found myself very much questioning what
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  Speaker 5: her motives were. And let's not forget, it's not all
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  Speaker 5: about sexual violence and victims for Grace. We've got a
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  Speaker 5: clip here of her calling out at one of the
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  Speaker 5: more recent violent protests, in my mind, in favour of
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  Speaker 5: the Palestinians.
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  Speaker 7: From Gadigal to Gaza, globalise the Intifada!
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  Speaker 2: One more time! From Gadigal to Gaza, globalise the Intifada!
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  Speaker 5: Now, for a woman who has made a name for herself,
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  Speaker 5: rightly or wrongly, for somebody who is wanting to oppose
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  Speaker 5: violence in the home and outside the home, that sounded
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  Speaker 5: like a very, very aggressive campaign to me. I mean,
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  Speaker 5: I'd be very keen to hear what other people who
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  Speaker 5: are working in this sector believe. So I don't know
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  Speaker 5: about you, I think she's probably worked out that all
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  Speaker 5: of those invitations that have dried up aren't coming back.
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  Speaker 5: And she did complain early on that this had cost
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  Speaker 5: her significantly in her personal relationships and her commercial relationships.
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  Speaker 4: So Is it time to forgive Grace? I don't know.
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  Speaker 3: Well, she was pulled off emceeing events. She was pulled
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  Speaker 3: off all speaking events at one point and then she
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  Speaker 3: blamed the media for it. Couldn't take any self-responsibility. So
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  Speaker 3: six months later, what now? She apparently apologises, you know,
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  Speaker 3: a little bit too late for that. And I think
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  Speaker 3: that she's obviously lost jobs. She needs money. So she's
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  Speaker 3: issued this alleged, I'm saying alleged because I don't think
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  Speaker 3: it was an apology at all.
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  Speaker 2: I think that she's just been caught out far too
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  Speaker 2: many times.
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  Speaker 4: Apologies.
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  Speaker 2: And then she claims that she was misinterpreted.
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  Speaker 3: I don't think that when you say, you know, that
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  Speaker 3: the rapes on October 7 are nothing more than propaganda,
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  Speaker 3: that's not something to be misinterpreted.
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  Speaker 2: You know very clearly what you are saying.
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  Speaker 6: Let's listen to what she actually said in the first
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  Speaker 6: place when she was speaking to Hamish McDonald on ABC Radio.
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  Speaker 8: Timney's texted in saying, can you please ask Grace why
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  Speaker 8: she's selective in her outrage? She says, I've never heard
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  Speaker 8: her condemn or speak out on behalf of the Israeli
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  Speaker 8: women who were raped and killed by Hamas on October 7th.
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  Speaker 8: Have you spoken about that? Have you expressed outrage about that?
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  Speaker 7: I'm not going to sink to the level of entertaining
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  Speaker 7: any kind of propaganda, Hamish.
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  Speaker 8: What's the propaganda included in that question?
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  Speaker 6: Those things have been debunked. So, yeah, so she actually, well,
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  Speaker 6: she said that the rape of the Israeli women by
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  Speaker 6: Hamas has been debunked, and presumably that's what she's talking
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  Speaker 6: about when she references Human Rights Watch, saying that they
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  Speaker 6: were unable to find evidence of mass rapes. So the
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  Speaker 6: word mass, firstly, is doing a lot of heavy lifting there.
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  Speaker 6: So at what point do you call it mass rapes?
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  Speaker 6: At what point is it just?
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  Speaker 4: A few rapes. I mean, even.
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  Speaker 6: Having to use the word rape that many times I
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  Speaker 6: find so profoundly sort of uncomfortable. And so that is
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  Speaker 6: the first thing. So it's sort of reading through the
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  Speaker 6: sort of weasel words. The other thing, of course, is
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  Speaker 6: saying you're unable to find evidence of something is not
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  Speaker 6: the same as debunking something. Debunking something means you can
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  Speaker 6: prove that it is not true. Not being able to
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  Speaker 6: find evidence merely means that something may or may not
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  Speaker 6: be true, but you have not been able to find
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  Speaker 6: the evidence to prove it.
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  Speaker 4: Now, so the story is sort of trashed.
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  Speaker 6: So she's sort of apologising for something not as bad
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  Speaker 6: as what it was she actually said. Having said that,
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  Speaker 6: I believe in second chances. I don't believe in... hanging
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  Speaker 6: people out to dry for the rest of their lives
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  Speaker 6: because they said one thing wrong or one thing that
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  Speaker 6: I didn't agree with. The irony, though, I think, and
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  Speaker 6: given Grace talking about, you know, all the opportunities drying
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  Speaker 6: up and suddenly not being able to earn a living anymore,
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  Speaker 6: since then, this is exactly what the left has tried
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  Speaker 6: to do with every right-wing party person or every person
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  Speaker 6: full stop.
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  Speaker 4: They've tried to do it with me. This is what mad.
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  Speaker 6: Effing witches does to every celebrity they disapprove of. This
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  Speaker 6: is what, you know, this is what the left tried
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  Speaker 6: to do to Milo.
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  Speaker 3: But Joe, the thing is, right, you say that, you know,
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  Speaker 3: everyone deserves second chances. How many chances are we supposed
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  Speaker 3: to give Grace Tame?
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  Speaker 2: Because this is not, she's not, she's a bit. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: but OK, for.
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  Speaker 3: Somebody who has been through a bit, and somebody who
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  Speaker 3: is a self-declared advocate for women, Why didn't she come
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  Speaker 3: out then in the first instance and defend Israeli women? Instead,
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  Speaker 3: she goes on these rants.
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  Speaker 4: She should have.
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  Speaker 3: She stands up at the protest and chants from Gadigal
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  Speaker 3: to Gaza. These are very deliberate. So are we supposed
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  Speaker 3: to sit here and say, oh, look, you know what,
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  Speaker 3: she's made a couple of errors, but.
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  Speaker 4: There's nothing wrong with that.
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  Speaker 6: Do you know what, I don't think, it's more, and
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  Speaker 6: I think we need to understand this if we need
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  Speaker 6: to understand what is going on and how to stop it.
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  Speaker 4: There's no point saying.
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  Speaker 6: oh, she knew this was an evil, horrific thing to
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  Speaker 6: say and she went and said it anyway. No, the
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  Speaker 6: whole point is she didn't and that is the problem,
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  Speaker 6: that it's only just.
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  Speaker 2: But she called it propaganda. That's right, but she thought.
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  Speaker 4: Everyone around her would have told her that, all the
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  Speaker 4: news and information that she's getting. So then why would
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  Speaker 4: you say it?
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  Speaker 2: Why would you say it?
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  Speaker 4: Because that is what she is hearing. She thought at
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  Speaker 4: that time that.
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  Speaker 2: It was propaganda. It doesn't matter.
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  Speaker 3: She's meant to be an advocate for all women. She's
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  Speaker 3: meant to be an advocate for victims, for survivors. And
• 15:37
  Speaker 3: she's gone against everything she allegedly said.
• 15:39
  Speaker 4: But it's wrong. That's because she's in a bubble. She
• 15:41
  Speaker 4: was being misquoted on the day that she said that... that,
• 15:45
  Speaker 4: you know, we're going to debunk... It's been debunked. Debunked
• 15:48
  Speaker 4: by who?
• 15:48
  Speaker 5: So I agree with you. Who's debunked it? Did Interpol
• 15:51
  Speaker 5: come and debunk that, did they? But if she believed
• 15:53
  Speaker 5: that she was misquoted, why didn't she issue a correction
• 15:55
  Speaker 5: statement the next day? Like, every politician in this town
• 15:58
  Speaker 5: has to do it.
• 15:59
  Speaker 4: It's a bit of.
• 16:00
  Speaker 6: You know, it's a bit of classical, I'm going to
• 16:03
  Speaker 6: pretend this is what I said and then apologise for
• 16:05
  Speaker 6: that rather than sort of acknowledge.
• 16:08
  Speaker 4: Do you think that she's monetised this whole.
• 16:11
  Speaker 6: No, I think she's probably been shocked at the extent
• 16:14
  Speaker 6: of the backlash. And, again, I think she's been living
• 16:17
  Speaker 6: in a bubble with a bunch of other stupid lesbians.
• 16:18
  Speaker 6: She's just stuck to the.
• 16:20
  Speaker 2: Source of it.
• 16:20
  Speaker 5: If she'd just stuck to being an advocate for women's
• 16:23
  Speaker 5: rights and an advocate, she would have been fine.
• 16:26
  Speaker 4: But she's been surrounded by all these people. And even
• 16:27
  Speaker 4: women like me would have embraced her. I would have.
• 16:29
  Speaker 5: love the fact that somebody like that has rehabilitated herself.
• 16:32
  Speaker 4: And become Australian.
• 16:33
  Speaker 5: But going out and saying, you know, globalise the infidelity,
• 16:36
  Speaker 5: what the hell is that about?
• 16:37
  Speaker 4: But that's what the left.
• 16:39
  Speaker 6: There are that many so-called women's rights activists who are
• 16:42
  Speaker 6: also pro-Palestine activists. There's all these crazies on the left.
• 16:46
  Speaker 6: They think, oh, Grace Tame, we're going to get her,
• 16:48
  Speaker 6: we're going to make her our champion. And they fill
• 16:50
  Speaker 6: her head, they fill her ears with.
• 16:52
  Speaker 4: All these sort of bollocks. She's an adult, though.
• 16:53
  Speaker 2: She makes her own decisions.
• 16:54
  Speaker 4: And she's very smart too.
• 16:56
  Speaker 3: We can't just say all these lefties are filling her head.
• 16:59
  Speaker 2: No, no, no.
• 17:00
  Speaker 3: She's an adult. She makes a decision. She is responsible
• 17:03
  Speaker 3: for her own actions.
• 17:03
  Speaker 6: If that is all you are surrounded with and that
• 17:06
  Speaker 6: is all you consume, then that is what you will
• 17:08
  Speaker 6: spew out.
• 17:10
  Speaker 4: Garbage in, garbage out.
• 17:11
  Speaker 3: She's in charge of her own life and she should
• 17:14
  Speaker 3: know better. And if she's supposed to be an advocate,
• 17:16
  Speaker 3: then she should have known better. And I don't buy
• 17:18
  Speaker 3: this apology six months later.
• 17:21
  Speaker 6: OK, well, if you want to look at a truly
• 17:23
  Speaker 6: atrocious act, let's go over to WA, where there is
• 17:27
  Speaker 6: a massive storm over pine trees. Yes, they are pining
• 17:32
  Speaker 6: for the fjords or fording for the pines, but there
• 17:37
  Speaker 6: is a council rule in the city of Melville that
• 17:41
  Speaker 6: is about to come into effect that says, and this
• 17:44
  Speaker 6: could be a metaphor for all laws everywhere, it's a
• 17:47
  Speaker 6: bit of a metaphor for, you know.
• 17:49
  Speaker 4: The Libs say they're going to ban burning the flags. Like, what? Hey,
• 17:51
  Speaker 4: where's my flag? Where's my petrol?
• 17:53
  Speaker 6: They're now saying we're going to ban cutting down all
• 17:56
  Speaker 6: pine trees. And so the radical residents of Melville, they've
• 18:02
  Speaker 6: woken up And they've decided they're going to cut down
• 18:05
  Speaker 6: all the pine trees they don't like before the council's
• 18:10
  Speaker 6: law can pass. And one giant pine tree in particular
• 18:16
  Speaker 6: is in young Susan's sights. Have a listen to her quote.
• 18:21
  Speaker 6: She says, I understand the argument for and I understand
• 18:25
  Speaker 6: the argument against, but I cannot have a council.
• 18:28
  Speaker 4: Take away my rights.
• 18:30
  Speaker 6: My rights to cut down trees. And here is a
• 18:36
  Speaker 6: picture of the giant pine tree. Look, I've got to say.
• 18:40
  Speaker 4: It's big.
• 18:41
  Speaker 6: I mean, depth perception is a big thing. It's not
• 18:44
  Speaker 6: actually just the size of that woman. It's actually much,
• 18:47
  Speaker 6: much bigger.
• 18:47
  Speaker 2: It's 20 metres.
• 18:48
  Speaker 4: It's 20 metres. It's very big.
• 18:49
  Speaker 2: That is a beast.
• 18:50
  Speaker 4: That's good. That's a giant. Well, what's wrong with having
• 18:53
  Speaker 4: a beast of a tree?
• 18:54
  Speaker 2: That's nature. So do you think the council should be
• 18:55
  Speaker 2: able to cut it down?
• 18:57
  Speaker 6: No, they shouldn't be able to cut. No, the resident
• 19:00
  Speaker 6: is trying to cut it.
• 19:00
  Speaker 4: Down before the council bounds it.
• 19:01
  Speaker 2: No, I know, but what do you think? Should she?
• 19:03
  Speaker 4: No, absolutely not. You can't have people going around cutting
• 19:05
  Speaker 4: down trees. No. There's rules about it.
• 19:10
  Speaker 5: This is triggering me because when I was an MP,
• 19:14
  Speaker 5: like when you talked about potholes the other night, like
• 19:17
  Speaker 5: border disputes with plants and are up there.
• 19:20
  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 19:21
  Speaker 5: When you're a councillor or an MP, these sort of
• 19:23
  Speaker 5: stuff can really make your day. And, I mean, the
• 19:28
  Speaker 5: libertarian in me says, hey, it's my land, I can
• 19:30
  Speaker 5: do what I want, but I also have to side
• 19:33
  Speaker 5: with the council because this... What if this tree was
• 19:35
  Speaker 5: planted by the Queen for crying out loud?
• 19:37
  Speaker 2: Exactly.
• 19:37
  Speaker 4: We can't... We can't go and knock it down. What
• 19:39
  Speaker 4: about the tree on Hadrian's Wall?
• 19:41
  Speaker 2: It's a 20-metre beast.
• 19:42
  Speaker 3: My concern would be what if you are an elderly
• 19:45
  Speaker 3: person and you've got that sitting in your backyard, neighbours
• 19:47
  Speaker 3: have also complained because it's encroaching on their land and their.
• 19:50
  Speaker 4: Property as well.
• 19:51
  Speaker 2: And that's a safety risk. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 19:52
  Speaker 4: That's different.
• 19:53
  Speaker 2: Then you've got to automatically get it done.
• 19:54
  Speaker 4: That's when the council would order you to cut it down.
• 19:55
  Speaker 3: Yeah, but then the council would step in and say, no, no, no,
• 19:57
  Speaker 3: you can't, no, because we're trying to.
• 19:59
  Speaker 4: No, no, no.
• 20:01
  Speaker 5: Most of the rules allow you to be able to
• 20:03
  Speaker 5: say to the council, listen, this is a safety risk
• 20:06
  Speaker 5: to my family.
• 20:07
  Speaker 4: And the council.
• 20:08
  Speaker 5: Will have the proverbial because they'll say, well, if it
• 20:12
  Speaker 5: comes down and kills the kid or the dog or
• 20:15
  Speaker 5: destroys the fence, well, then we're going to be liable
• 20:17
  Speaker 5: for it because we knocked it back.
• 20:18
  Speaker 6: Clover Moore cut down all these historic trees in Hyde
• 20:21
  Speaker 6: Park because they were falling on people.
• 20:23
  Speaker 3: To put it into perspective, it's because Perth wants to
• 20:25
  Speaker 3: increase its canopies.
• 20:27
  Speaker 2: So it's got this.
• 20:28
  Speaker 3: It wants to increase it from 16% to 30% in 2000, Joe.
• 20:33
  Speaker 4: Why would they cut down trees just because.
• 20:35
  Speaker 2: They want more starlings? 16% to 30% by 2040. No,
• 20:38
  Speaker 2: I disagree with this. I don't agree with this policy.
• 20:40
  Speaker 3: We can't have councils policing everybody's backyard.
• 20:44
  Speaker 4: They do. That's literally what they do.
• 20:45
  Speaker 3: But in my view, if you want to get rid
• 20:47
  Speaker 3: of a tree or anything in your backyard, you should
• 20:51
  Speaker 3: not be told by the council, no, you need to
• 20:53
  Speaker 3: keep it. The state government goes, no, we've got to
• 20:55
  Speaker 3: increase the canopies So, no, you've got to keep it.
• 20:57
  Speaker 2: No, sorry, if I don't want that beast in my backyard,
• 21:00
  Speaker 2: get rid of it. OK.
• 21:02
  Speaker 5: Well, we'll have to disagree, because I'm worried about, you know,
• 21:04
  Speaker 5: the tree in Victoria Barracks that was planted by Eleanor Roosevelt.
• 21:08
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 21:08
  Speaker 4: You know, what happens if that's in somebody's backyard?
• 21:11
  Speaker 6: Even there's trees, you know, my next-door neighbours had a
• 21:13
  Speaker 6: tree they wanted to cut down. I do know one person, though,
• 21:16
  Speaker 6: and I'm not sure if he's watching.
• 21:18
  Speaker 4: He might be watching.
• 21:19
  Speaker 6: He's a big, big fan of News 24, I can
• 21:21
  Speaker 6: tell you that for free. And the council told him
• 21:23
  Speaker 6: he wasn't allowed to cut down the tree. in his
• 21:28
  Speaker 6: front yard that he wanted to. And so every week
• 21:34
  Speaker 6: after dark, he would sneak out and just cut down
• 21:38
  Speaker 6: one little.
• 21:38
  Speaker 4: Bit at a time.
• 21:40
  Speaker 6: And eventually the whole tree just sort of gradually disappeared
• 21:43
  Speaker 6: so gradually.
• 21:44
  Speaker 4: That no one ever knew. That's smart. He's a very,
• 21:48
  Speaker 4: very smart man. You hammer a rusty nail in the roots. Yeah,
• 21:52
  Speaker 4: that's right. Well, that's a great... I'm told. I'm told.
• 21:54
  Speaker 4: That's a great Sydney tradition, priest biking.
• 21:58
  Speaker 6: But that's what you do when it's someone else's tree
• 22:00
  Speaker 6: in between your house and a view of the harbour.
• 22:02
  Speaker 4: Yeah. I believe that's the only legitimate... I'm told. I'm told.
• 22:06
  Speaker 2: Yeah, allegedly. Allegedly.
• 22:09
  Speaker 3: OK, now, this story is baffling. Go for gold and
• 22:11
  Speaker 3: get a rainbow tick, apparently. Yes, we're talking about LGBTIQ,
• 22:16
  Speaker 3: except for in the upcoming.
• 22:18
  Speaker 2: Brisbane Olympic Games. So.
• 22:20
  Speaker 3: Australia's peak tourism council, the Australian Tourism Industry Council, has
• 22:24
  Speaker 3: backed plans to make LGBTIQ plus feel more welcome at
• 22:29
  Speaker 3: the 2032 Brisbane Games.
• 22:31
  Speaker 2: How are they going to do that?
• 22:33
  Speaker 3: Well, via a special tourism accreditation to acknowledge businesses who
• 22:37
  Speaker 3: welcome LGBTIQ. diverse people. Now, this is the badge, if
• 22:40
  Speaker 3: we can just bring it up. It is a heart-shaped logo.
• 22:43
  Speaker 3: There it is, developed by the University of Queensland. And
• 22:46
  Speaker 3: operators are encouraged to use this logo in order to
• 22:50
  Speaker 3: attract business and they're encouraged to use it. So as
• 22:54
  Speaker 3: part of this accommodation, houses have been warned not to
• 22:56
  Speaker 3: assume that a same-sex couple were platonic friends by offering
• 23:01
  Speaker 3: them separate beds. So all businesses have been given prior...
• 23:05
  Speaker 3: I don't know why anybody would assume that anyway. But
• 23:08
  Speaker 3: basically all these businesses.
• 23:10
  Speaker 2: It's like faulty towers. It is.
• 23:11
  Speaker 3: Accommodation have been told to, you know... Smarten up and
• 23:16
  Speaker 3: don't assume. So Dr Faith Ong from the University of
• 23:20
  Speaker 3: Queensland's Business School has helped develop that logo. She says
• 23:23
  Speaker 3: it might come as a surprise, but even in this
• 23:26
  Speaker 3: day and age, many LGBTQI plus people are still need
• 23:29
  Speaker 3: to research businesses beforehand for their travel safety. She said
• 23:36
  Speaker 3: that rainbow-ready accreditation would help those who are gay or
• 23:40
  Speaker 3: lesbian make attractions, accommodation and events more attractive for them
• 23:47
  Speaker 3: to use.
• 23:47
  Speaker 2: Now, I just want to make a few points.
• 23:48
  Speaker 6: Doesn't everyone research the place that they're staying or the
• 23:51
  Speaker 6: place they go?
• 23:52
  Speaker 4: Or do you just land in a country and say, hey,
• 23:54
  Speaker 4: what's happening, guys?
• 23:55
  Speaker 2: Especially if you're an international visitor, right? You know, firstly.
• 23:59
  Speaker 3: Doesn't this actually then discriminate against the businesses who don't
• 24:01
  Speaker 3: want to put the rainbow flag up because they're not
• 24:04
  Speaker 3: interested in buying into this woke nonsense? They want to
• 24:07
  Speaker 3: make it accommodating for everybody. It doesn't matter what your
• 24:09
  Speaker 3: sex is. It doesn't matter who you date or your
• 24:13
  Speaker 3: private life. So doesn't that discriminate against them that we
• 24:17
  Speaker 3: can't possibly be shopping from that business because they don't
• 24:20
  Speaker 3: have the rainbow sticker on them?
• 24:23
  Speaker 2: And then which.
• 24:23
  Speaker 3: Businesses, you know, would actually go out of their way
• 24:26
  Speaker 3: to make LGBTIQ people feel unwelcome in the first place?
• 24:30
  Speaker 4: I get it. Is it just me or are there
• 24:33
  Speaker 4: a few more letters now? Because I'm sure... Oh, and
• 24:35
  Speaker 4: the colours.
• 24:36
  Speaker 5: It's just how many colours there are.
• 24:39
  Speaker 4: I can't get.
• 24:41
  Speaker 5: Not one gay bloke in my social network has ever
• 24:44
  Speaker 5: advocated for this sort of thing. And, in fact, I reckon, OK,
• 24:47
  Speaker 5: so most of my gay mates are conservatives anyway, but
• 24:50
  Speaker 5: I reckon that, you know, for them to say, oh,
• 24:52
  Speaker 5: we have to research safety of the venues and the
• 24:56
  Speaker 5: countries we're going to, so do Jews. So what are
• 24:59
  Speaker 5: we going to do? Are we going to have them
• 25:00
  Speaker 5: all wear a Star of David? That was tried before
• 25:01
  Speaker 5: and it didn't work out. I cannot believe that we
• 25:04
  Speaker 5: are writing ourselves into the script of discrimination by actually
• 25:07
  Speaker 5: introducing anti-discriminatory laws that actually... turn out to be discriminatory
• 25:13
  Speaker 5: because I find this thing absolutely extraordinary. It beggars belief
• 25:18
  Speaker 5: that a state like Queensland would even think about doing
• 25:20
  Speaker 5: it because they've been hosting diverse communities.
• 25:23
  Speaker 4: Because they're meant to be backwards knuckle-draggers.
• 25:24
  Speaker 5: Well, no, no, but they were under, obviously, under Joe.
• 25:28
  Speaker 5: You know, I was in Cairns two weeks ago and
• 25:32
  Speaker 5: the joint was full of Japanese people. Do they go
• 25:36
  Speaker 5: around and saying, you know, I'm not going to eat
• 25:37
  Speaker 5: any cooked meat? So, therefore, we're going to have to
• 25:40
  Speaker 5: put in all the, you know, we're going to have
• 25:41
  Speaker 5: to put little balls with a sticker going through them
• 25:44
  Speaker 5: because we want to make you feel comfortable because none
• 25:47
  Speaker 5: of the meat here is cooked because we're Japanese and
• 25:49
  Speaker 5: we eat, everything is uncooked.
• 25:51
  Speaker 4: I just find it absolutely extraordinary.
• 25:53
  Speaker 6: I want to know, where are all these sort of
• 25:55
  Speaker 6: concierge or hotel receptionists who see two people come up
• 25:58
  Speaker 6: and says, well, I guess you'll be wanting the twin share?
• 26:01
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree.
• 26:03
  Speaker 4: Where does that ever happen?
• 26:04
  Speaker 8: I know, I know.
• 26:04
  Speaker 6: I mean, what about, so, you know, are they now
• 26:06
  Speaker 6: going to say, So isn't this discriminatory? This is, you know,
• 26:10
  Speaker 6: where's our parade? Isn't this discriminatory against straight men with
• 26:17
  Speaker 6: friends who are now going to have to out themselves
• 26:19
  Speaker 6: as straight in a world that.
• 26:21
  Speaker 4: May not welcome them? Exactly.
• 26:23
  Speaker 6: To every single hotel receptionist who assumes they're going to
• 26:26
  Speaker 6: want to share a double bed.
• 26:27
  Speaker 3: Don't you think as well that this just takes away
• 26:30
  Speaker 3: from the Games?
• 26:31
  Speaker 2: Because already people are talking about.
• 26:33
  Speaker 3: It, they're laughing about it, and what is going to be,
• 26:36
  Speaker 3: I'm sure, an absolutely magnificent Games. But the problem with
• 26:39
  Speaker 3: the Olympics, if you both recall, remember the opening ceremony?
• 26:42
  Speaker 2: I think it was Paris. That went completely woke.
• 26:45
  Speaker 4: Yes.
• 26:45
  Speaker 3: So the Olympic Games have been sliding down that slippery slope.
• 26:48
  Speaker 4: That's a weird orgy of bacchanalia that looked like the
• 26:50
  Speaker 4: Last Supper.
• 26:51
  Speaker 3: Yes.
• 26:52
  Speaker 4: And it was just the most French thing ever.
• 26:54
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 26:55
  Speaker 4: No one could get their head around it.
• 26:56
  Speaker 2: That sort of thing. And I just think, come on.
• 26:59
  Speaker 3: I honestly believe that as Aussies we are very tolerant
• 27:02
  Speaker 3: and I think we are very inclusive of everybody. I
• 27:05
  Speaker 3: don't think that people would come to this country and go, oh,
• 27:08
  Speaker 3: the Australians, I can't stand them.
• 27:10
  Speaker 2: I think we're a pretty tolerant bunch.
• 27:12
  Speaker 4: Well, we have the biggest gay Mardi Gras in the
• 27:13
  Speaker 4: southern hemisphere. Exactly. How more accommodating can we be?
• 27:17
  Speaker 2: I think we are a good bunch.
• 27:19
  Speaker 3: I think we're a very good lot and I just
• 27:21
  Speaker 3: think that this plays into the woke and what we're
• 27:23
  Speaker 3: looking for is to go for gold, enjoy the games,
• 27:26
  Speaker 3: enjoy what it's going.
• 27:27
  Speaker 2: To bring to the city. the fun and excitement, we
• 27:30
  Speaker 2: don't need stickers to prove that.
• 27:33
  Speaker 4: No, that's right.
• 27:33
  Speaker 6: What they should do instead is spell games G-A-Y-M-E-S.
• 27:38
  Speaker 4: That's a good one. That might work. So, Donald Trump. OK. So,
• 27:44
  Speaker 4: the latest update, ladies and gentlemen, is that he wants
• 27:48
  Speaker 4: to give away $ 5, 000.
• 27:49
  Speaker 5: To every man, woman and child on the electoral roll
• 27:54
  Speaker 5: in the event... that he wins the midterms, both the
• 27:57
  Speaker 5: Senate and the House. So there's a pretty big caveat there,
• 28:00
  Speaker 5: ladies and gentlemen. Let me tell you, let's listen to
• 28:04
  Speaker 5: what he said.
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: If the Republicans win the House of Representatives and the
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: United States Senate, both of them, because of our economic,
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: tremendous economic success, like in history, we've never had anything
• 28:20
  Speaker 1: like what's happening. But because of our tremendous strength and
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: success economically, I will issue a dividend to every adult
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: citizen in the United States of America for $ 5, 000.
• 28:41
  Speaker 5: Now, I've worked for some of the country's wealthiest businessmen
• 28:44
  Speaker 5: and they used to always say to me, never give
• 28:46
  Speaker 5: a billionaire advice on money. So I'd far be it
• 28:49
  Speaker 5: for me to tell the Donald how to run his economy. However,
• 28:54
  Speaker 5: it's quite clear to me that the word inflation isn't
• 28:57
  Speaker 5: in the American dictionary. Now, I know that they change
• 29:00
  Speaker 5: a few words when they... when they committed that ungodly
• 29:03
  Speaker 5: act of independence in 1770. One of them was to
• 29:06
  Speaker 5: obviously remove the term inflation from their economy.
• 29:12
  Speaker 4: It is a thing, Donald. It is a thing.
• 29:14
  Speaker 5: Now, if you're going to take my advice as a
• 29:17
  Speaker 5: former legislator, Tax cuts and tax deductions.
• 29:21
  Speaker 4: Are always a lot safer.
• 29:23
  Speaker 5: People will spend the money a little bit more wisely,
• 29:25
  Speaker 5: but as somebody who has seen pink bats get blown
• 29:29
  Speaker 5: into the wind and, of course, cash handouts during pandemics
• 29:34
  Speaker 5: see an increase in gaming and flat-screen TVs, Oh, boy. Donald,
• 29:38
  Speaker 5: learn from our mistake. This isn't going to end well. Now,
• 29:42
  Speaker 5: I think it's going to go bucklies in changing pretty
• 29:45
  Speaker 5: big terms.
• 29:45
  Speaker 4: Pretty brilliant politics, though, don't you think? No, no, because
• 29:49
  Speaker 4: it doesn't always work.
• 29:50
  Speaker 5: I mean, I remember in 1999 the New South Wales
• 29:52
  Speaker 5: Coalition tried to buy the election by saying that we
• 29:55
  Speaker 5: were going to sell the electricity, poles and wires and
• 29:58
  Speaker 5: the generators... and give the cash to the consumers and
• 30:03
  Speaker 5: we got absolutely thumped.
• 30:05
  Speaker 6: Yeah but all those people were voting anyway and this
• 30:08
  Speaker 6: is the thing in the US because you've got the
• 30:10
  Speaker 6: first most important point is you've got to get out
• 30:13
  Speaker 6: the vote.
• 30:13
  Speaker 4: People don't give a rat's either way.
• 30:15
  Speaker 6: They just sit on their asses and in the midterms
• 30:18
  Speaker 6: they're much less well attended than the presidential elections for
• 30:21
  Speaker 6: obvious reasons. You can have you know up to half
• 30:24
  Speaker 6: the population eligible to vote just sitting around not doing anything.
• 30:28
  Speaker 6: But if suddenly you tell those people, if you get
• 30:30
  Speaker 6: out and vote Republican, you get five grand for nothing,
• 30:33
  Speaker 6: they go, yeah, all right.
• 30:35
  Speaker 4: I get that. I don't know. Maybe it's right.
• 30:38
  Speaker 6: Maybe all those apathetic voters who don't care enough to
• 30:41
  Speaker 6: vote are secretly much smarter than that and realise the
• 30:44
  Speaker 6: damage it would do to the economy, because you're absolutely right,
• 30:45
  Speaker 6: it would be disastrous.
• 30:46
  Speaker 3: I just think that we should look at maybe the
• 30:49
  Speaker 3: reasons why he's doing this. Clearly the polling is not
• 30:52
  Speaker 3: good right now for the Republican Party, right? The Iran
• 30:56
  Speaker 3: war is... is driving gas prices up in the United States.
• 31:00
  Speaker 3: It has split the MAGA vote. It has split the Republicans.
• 31:04
  Speaker 3: Donald Trump came out today and said that he will
• 31:06
  Speaker 3: end the Iran war after the midterm elections. And he
• 31:09
  Speaker 3: said that prior to making this announcement at the convention.
• 31:13
  Speaker 3: So it's very clear to me that he is concerned. Now,
• 31:17
  Speaker 3: I'm a very big Donald Trump fan. I'm a big
• 31:19
  Speaker 3: supporter of the Don myself. However, I don't like this policy.
• 31:24
  Speaker 3: And I think it's cheesy.
• 31:26
  Speaker 2: I think it's a bribe.
• 31:28
  Speaker 3: I basically think he's saying to voters, I'll give you money,
• 31:31
  Speaker 3: vote for me. instead of them coming out wanting to
• 31:34
  Speaker 3: naturally vote for the Republican Party off their own accord.
• 31:37
  Speaker 3: I don't like it.
• 31:39
  Speaker 4: That's exactly right.
• 31:39
  Speaker 5: And, I mean, I'm agnostic towards Donald Trump because I
• 31:44
  Speaker 5: don't trust anybody more right-wing than me.
• 31:47
  Speaker 4: Fair enough. And it's simple as that.
• 31:48
  Speaker 5: But I worry about two things here. Other than the inflation,
• 31:53
  Speaker 5: where's the money coming from?
• 31:55
  Speaker 4: Yes. Because I've been to America enough to know that.
• 31:57
  Speaker 5: I'm trying to calculate that... you want to complain about potholes?
• 32:00
  Speaker 5: American roads are appalling. American roads are appalling. Their infrastructure
• 32:05
  Speaker 5: isn't that good. Their airports, many of them need... You know,
• 32:08
  Speaker 5: haven't been renovated since the 1970s, haven't been upgraded.
• 32:11
  Speaker 2: Since the 1980s.
• 32:11
  Speaker 4: Well, how much is going to.
• 32:12
  Speaker 2: Fall back on the taxpayer?
• 32:13
  Speaker 4: Well, exactly. Exactly. Sorry, just a question from an art
• 32:16
  Speaker 4: student up the back.
• 32:17
  Speaker 2: Here we go.
• 32:17
  Speaker 6: Is Trillian the one with 12 zeros? Because I think
• 32:20
  Speaker 6: it's going to cost.
• 32:21
  Speaker 4: Is that what you've been trying to work out? That's
• 32:22
  Speaker 4: what I've been trying to work out.
• 32:24
  Speaker 6: I think it's going to cost, there's 270 million adults
• 32:28
  Speaker 6: in the US.
• 32:29
  Speaker 4: Not all of them are citizens. So three and a half,
• 32:33
  Speaker 4: is it? Three and a half trillion. That's amazing. That
• 32:36
  Speaker 4: is just absolutely... Oh, no.
• 32:37
  Speaker 2: I think that was a time call that we just
• 32:39
  Speaker 2: got in our ears.
• 32:40
  Speaker 4: I was going to say, that was a time call.
• 32:44
  Speaker 4: So we've got.
• 32:44
  Speaker 5: You're not a company director.
• 32:48
  Speaker 6: $ 270 million times $ 5, 000.
• 32:50
  Speaker 4: So this is the upper end, right?
• 32:51
  Speaker 6: This is like when you get that, you know, the
• 32:54
  Speaker 6: estimate for the value of your property that suddenly has
• 32:56
  Speaker 6: been plummeting in recent weeks. But, yeah, it's 1.35E12... which
• 33:03
  Speaker 6: is what the calculator says.
• 33:04
  Speaker 4: It's a truckload of money.
• 33:05
  Speaker 6: I don't really know what that means, but I think
• 33:07
  Speaker 6: it means one and then three, 12 places.
• 33:10
  Speaker 4: So that would be, yeah, that would be one. That's
• 33:15
  Speaker 4: a lot of bananas. The amount of public works they
• 33:17
  Speaker 4: could be doing in the United States.
• 33:18
  Speaker 2: That's right.
• 33:19
  Speaker 5: The amount of subsidised operations they could give impoverished Americans
• 33:26
  Speaker 5: is And I'm a conservative. I don't want to hear
• 33:29
  Speaker 5: this socialism shit coming.
• 33:31
  Speaker 4: Out of my mouth either.
• 33:31
  Speaker 3: Absolutely.
• 33:32
  Speaker 5: But it's coming out at the moment because I'm just
• 33:33
  Speaker 5: thinking at the opportunity cost. And there comes a time
• 33:37
  Speaker 5: when you've got to be responsible with the other man's coin.
• 33:40
  Speaker 5: And I don't think he's being responsible with.
• 33:42
  Speaker 4: The other man's coin. It is amazing.
• 33:43
  Speaker 6: Like, it's just typical Donald that you just go, well,
• 33:46
  Speaker 6: everyone does it anyway by saying we're going to give.
• 33:48
  Speaker 4: You tax cuts.
• 33:48
  Speaker 2: We're almost out of time, but let's get to 9-11.
• 33:50
  Speaker 4: Okay, let's get to 9-11 before I get 9-11'd.
• 33:53
  Speaker 6: And this has been a raging sort of sore in
• 33:58
  Speaker 6: New York under the socialist mayor, Zoran Mamdani, who has
• 34:02
  Speaker 6: been doing all sorts of ridiculous things. He got a
• 34:05
  Speaker 6: lawyer for one of the terrorists who was associated with
• 34:08
  Speaker 6: the 9-11 plot to actually sign this symbolic agreement to
• 34:14
  Speaker 6: commemorate the 25th anniversary. That got the fire chief, who
• 34:20
  Speaker 6: was actually watching his boys and women die on 9-11.
• 34:25
  Speaker 6: Hundreds of firefighters died trying to save lives. That got
• 34:29
  Speaker 6: his hackles up. And now the current police chief of
• 34:33
  Speaker 6: New York has said that there is a real problem
• 34:40
  Speaker 6: on the left. She didn't mention Mamdani by name because,
• 34:42
  Speaker 6: of course, technically he's her boss. With people on the
• 34:46
  Speaker 6: left confusing, not having moral clarity about over who were
• 34:50
  Speaker 6: the good guys and the bad guys on 9-11, if
• 34:53
  Speaker 6: you can believe that. But yes, we've seen what the
• 34:56
  Speaker 6: left has done. And this is her giving that address
• 34:59
  Speaker 6: while a very, very stony-faced Zoran Mamdani sits there staring
• 35:04
  Speaker 6: into the middle distance in the background.
• 35:06
  Speaker 4: Have a listen.
• 35:08
  Speaker 9: Preserving that history also means preserving its moral clarity. The
• 35:13
  Speaker 9: men who attacked this city were terrorists. The men and
• 35:17
  Speaker 9: women who ran into the towers to save innocent lives
• 35:21
  Speaker 9: were heroes. 25 years cannot be allowed to blur that
• 35:26
  Speaker 9: distinction and shame on those who do.
• 35:31
  Speaker 6: Now, again, if anyone was in any doubt as to
• 35:34
  Speaker 6: who she was actually referring to, apart from the awkward
• 35:37
  Speaker 6: look on poor old Zoran's face, does anyone else just
• 35:40
  Speaker 6: always think of Zoltan from Dude, Where's My Car?
• 35:42
  Speaker 4: Zoltan! Every time I hear Zoran Mandani, I go, Zoran! Anyway,
• 35:48
  Speaker 4: he's a crazy commie.
• 35:49
  Speaker 6: Anyway, so this is him actually signing that memorandum of
• 35:55
  Speaker 6: understanding using, and it is lawyer who represented an al-Qaeda
• 36:01
  Speaker 6: operative being given a pen to sign that same document.
• 36:05
  Speaker 6: Amazing stuff.
• 36:06
  Speaker 4: Have a look.
• 36:22
  Speaker 6: Yes, I believe that is what they call nervous applause.
• 36:26
  Speaker 6: So this is what happens when you've got a socialist
• 36:29
  Speaker 6: mayor who is surrounded by comrades who.
• 36:31
  Speaker 2: That's right.
• 36:32
  Speaker 6: die with terrorists who say things like, America deserved 9-11.
• 36:37
  Speaker 3: Yeah, well, we've got to go to a break, but
• 36:38
  Speaker 3: I just want to show our viewers this. 2,997 drones
• 36:42
  Speaker 3: lighting up the skies there in where the Twin Towers were.
• 36:45
  Speaker 2: This was overnight, representing.
• 36:47
  Speaker 3: Those who died ahead, of course, of the memorial services
• 36:51
  Speaker 3: that will be held across America tomorrow and also around
• 36:55
  Speaker 3: the world. We are going to take a quick break.
• 36:56
  Speaker 3: Coming up next, calling all NFL fans. If you love
• 37:00
  Speaker 3: the NFL over in America, it's a big day for
• 37:02
  Speaker 3: Melbourne tomorrow.
• 37:03
  Speaker 2: That's next.
• 37:10
  Speaker 3: Let's take a look at tomorrow's front pages, starting with
• 37:12
  Speaker 3: the Australian exclusive No Radical Solution for Class of Hate,
• 37:16
  Speaker 3: a de-radicalisation program lauded before the Anti-Semitism Royal Commission as
• 37:21
  Speaker 3: the government's flagship weapon against violent extremism has so far
• 37:25
  Speaker 3: failed to reform the vast majority of its participants, with
• 37:29
  Speaker 3: two dozen becoming more dangerous than when they started. Of
• 37:33
  Speaker 3: almost 300 extremists or people vulnerable to radicalisation enrolled in
• 37:38
  Speaker 3: Labor's $ 75 million National Support and Intervention Program in the
• 37:42
  Speaker 3: first half of the year, 227 were reported to have
• 37:45
  Speaker 3: had no change in concern level. Increased concern was reported
• 37:49
  Speaker 3: for 24 participants and decreased concern due to positive changes
• 37:53
  Speaker 3: was reported for 23, according to departmental records. seen by
• 37:57
  Speaker 3: the Australian.
• 37:58
  Speaker 2: So terrific.
• 38:00
  Speaker 4: That is not a good response.
• 38:01
  Speaker 2: No change. No change whatsoever.
• 38:02
  Speaker 4: No, I know.
• 38:03
  Speaker 5: But when I was made the counter-tourism minister, we started
• 38:08
  Speaker 5: similar programs here in New South Wales, particularly around some
• 38:11
  Speaker 5: of those areas that had high levels of disattached Muslim
• 38:17
  Speaker 5: youth kids that were just Muslim youth who were just
• 38:20
  Speaker 5: at risk. You can't walk away. I mean, I want
• 38:25
  Speaker 5: to see this headline another dozen times before I walk
• 38:28
  Speaker 5: away from it.
• 38:29
  Speaker 4: We only need to stop one as far as I'm concerned.
• 38:32
  Speaker 2: That's a fair point.
• 38:32
  Speaker 4: We only need to stop one.
• 38:34
  Speaker 5: You know, I want to see some really qualitative research
• 38:36
  Speaker 5: as to how this has been assessed.
• 38:39
  Speaker 4: I think, of course, people are always going to be
• 38:42
  Speaker 4: more radicalised.
• 38:43
  Speaker 5: We were sending terrorists to jail and they're becoming radicalised
• 38:47
  Speaker 5: before they even were radical. So we can't walk away
• 38:52
  Speaker 5: from it. I think intervention is an important tool for
• 38:57
  Speaker 5: the counter-terrorism playbook. It is something that we need the
• 39:03
  Speaker 5: Islamic community to embrace as much as government to embrace.
• 39:08
  Speaker 4: And again, I want to see how.
• 39:10
  Speaker 5: I'd be very keen to see how much leadership we've
• 39:12
  Speaker 5: got out of the Islamic community on.
• 39:14
  Speaker 4: This as well. I think there's a perception.
• 39:15
  Speaker 6: People say, oh, why don't we just de-radicalise these people
• 39:17
  Speaker 6: as though there's some kind of magic formula, you enrol
• 39:19
  Speaker 6: them in an eight-week course and they come out the
• 39:21
  Speaker 6: other end and they're cured. One thing that really struck
• 39:25
  Speaker 6: me by a... I think it was a Monash University counter-terrorism...
• 39:30
  Speaker 6: expert who said that every single person who becomes a
• 39:33
  Speaker 6: terrorist does so for different reasons. Yes, they hang their
• 39:38
  Speaker 6: hat on the same extremist, hateful ideology, but it's different.
• 39:42
  Speaker 6: And he said the only one thing they have in
• 39:45
  Speaker 6: common is that none of them were happy. None of
• 39:48
  Speaker 6: them were in a great place. when they decided, actually, no,
• 39:51
  Speaker 6: this isn't better.
• 39:52
  Speaker 4: They're all lost.
• 39:53
  Speaker 6: They're all bereft of any sort of spiritual or religious
• 39:57
  Speaker 6: or ideological grounding. Their family is, you know, effed up.
• 40:02
  Speaker 6: They're not happily married. You know, they're not, they don't
• 40:05
  Speaker 6: have loving parents, whatever it may be. It's, you know,
• 40:07
  Speaker 6: you know, all happy families are the same. Every family
• 40:10
  Speaker 6: is unhappy.
• 40:11
  Speaker 3: I'll just move on now to the rest of the
• 40:13
  Speaker 3: Oz here. RSL served to offensive un-Australian Hanson. You're insulting
• 40:18
  Speaker 3: all veterans. The Returned Services League has accused Pauline Hanson
• 40:21
  Speaker 3: of being extremely offensive to all veterans for her attack
• 40:24
  Speaker 3: on Liberal frontbencher Andrew Hastie in a striking intervention that
• 40:28
  Speaker 3: intensifies pressure on the One Nation leader. The feud sparked
• 40:32
  Speaker 3: by One Nation's release of a satirical video targeting the
• 40:35
  Speaker 3: WA Liberal MP escalated on Thursday after the nation's 110-year-old
• 40:39
  Speaker 3: veterans organisation, which represents 153,000 diggers.
• 40:44
  Speaker 3: Through its support behind Mr Hastie against Senator Hanson's political stunt,
• 40:48
  Speaker 3: RSL National President Peter Tinley said, I find it offensive
• 40:51
  Speaker 3: that anybody would want to go there and do that.
• 40:54
  Speaker 2: It's un-Australian.
• 40:56
  Speaker 3: We spoke about this, obviously, on the show last night.
• 40:58
  Speaker 3: I'm keen to get your thoughts on the RSL's.
• 41:00
  Speaker 2: Intervention into this.
• 41:02
  Speaker 5: Can I say first, Peter Tinley, the former Labor cabinet
• 41:05
  Speaker 5: minister who is now the president of the RSL, wouldn't
• 41:08
  Speaker 5: go on the front page of The Australian to attack
• 41:11
  Speaker 5: Matt Keogh over caps on auxiliary health calls, but he
• 41:16
  Speaker 5: will attack Pauline Hanson.
• 41:17
  Speaker 2: So it's politics.
• 41:19
  Speaker 5: So I'm a little bit suspicious about him finally coming
• 41:22
  Speaker 5: out from under the rock to attack a Canberra politician.
• 41:25
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 41:25
  Speaker 4: He's not wrong, though, is he?
• 41:27
  Speaker 5: However, he's not wrong, and Pauline Hanson has really messed
• 41:33
  Speaker 5: up on this one. When you've got Barnaby Joyce distancing
• 41:36
  Speaker 5: himself from it, when you've got a whole lot of
• 41:38
  Speaker 5: veterans who are members of One Nation and proud of it.
• 41:41
  Speaker 5: You only have to be a member of a couple
• 41:43
  Speaker 5: of veterans' WhatsApp groups to know that there's a lot
• 41:47
  Speaker 5: of them going to be voting for her.
• 41:48
  Speaker 4: Yeah. And you are, of course. You're a veteran. I'm
• 41:51
  Speaker 4: a veteran. And so I can tell you. You hearing
• 41:54
  Speaker 4: all this.
• 41:54
  Speaker 5: I'm hearing all of this from the time that Pauline
• 41:58
  Speaker 5: started getting a bump in the polls six months, 12
• 42:00
  Speaker 5: months ago. But this has the potential of really damaging
• 42:05
  Speaker 5: her brand. And it's not something that I think One
• 42:08
  Speaker 5: Nation would like in the lead up to the Victorian
• 42:10
  Speaker 5: election where there are a lot of veterans and there's
• 42:12
  Speaker 5: a strong defence community.
• 42:13
  Speaker 2: Yep.
• 42:14
  Speaker 4: Very true.
• 42:14
  Speaker 2: Daily Telegraph.
• 42:16
  Speaker 4: Daily Telegraph. So, listen, I'm an unashamed capitalist.
• 42:20
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 42:21
  Speaker 5: I'm never going to get in the way of a
• 42:22
  Speaker 5: man's ability to raise a dollar, defeat his family. I
• 42:26
  Speaker 5: love the fact that we have an executive class in
• 42:28
  Speaker 5: this country.
• 42:29
  Speaker 4: But Ausgrid, seriously, read the room, people.
• 42:34
  Speaker 2: Should we read the front?
• 42:35
  Speaker 5: We have got a front page of the Daily Telegraph,
• 42:38
  Speaker 5: the Journal of Record, the People's Paper saying, champagne-quaffing bosses
• 42:42
  Speaker 5: at Ausgrid have given themselves a 30% pay rise on
• 42:47
  Speaker 5: the back of bumper profits while increasing charges to electricity
• 42:50
  Speaker 5: customers by 10%.
• 42:52
  Speaker 4: What's inflation? What's inflation at the moment?
• 42:54
  Speaker 5: So if the cameras could just come to me, I
• 42:56
  Speaker 5: just want to quickly have a word with the Ausgrid executives.
• 42:59
  Speaker 4: Are there any vacancies? No, he's ready.
• 43:02
  Speaker 5: Because I can make myself available. I do feel that.
• 43:06
  Speaker 4: They have let the brand down.
• 43:08
  Speaker 5: A 10% increase when inflation is only at about five
• 43:12
  Speaker 5: or six at the moment and giving themselves a 30%
• 43:14
  Speaker 5: pay rise at a time when we are having a
• 43:18
  Speaker 5: cost of living crisis.
• 43:20
  Speaker 4: It may not be good for your brand. It doesn't
• 43:22
  Speaker 4: look good at all.
• 43:23
  Speaker 6: I love the fact that they had the prefix champagne quaffing,
• 43:26
  Speaker 6: just in case you didn't get that.
• 43:27
  Speaker 4: Go, Bailey Telly.
• 43:29
  Speaker 6: And finally, down south, where it was over the weekend,
• 43:32
  Speaker 6: as a matter of fact, the Herald Sun is splashing
• 43:34
  Speaker 6: with what is going to be an absolutely massive event,
• 43:39
  Speaker 6: a big showcase NFL match between the LA Rams and
• 43:43
  Speaker 6: the San Francisco 49ers.
• 43:46
  Speaker 4: And the Herald Sun obviously is going all in on this.
• 43:49
  Speaker 4: Touchdown under. Get it? That's a good one.
• 43:52
  Speaker 6: Melbourne will submit its title as the world's number one
• 43:55
  Speaker 6: sporting city when the LA Rams and San Francisco 49ers
• 43:59
  Speaker 6: clash at a packed MCG in the NFL's first regular
• 44:03
  Speaker 6: season game in Australia. And again, just being there on
• 44:07
  Speaker 6: the weekend, huge amount of buzz about this coming up,
• 44:11
  Speaker 6: but also. Melbourne is a town that really needs a
• 44:14
  Speaker 6: shot in the arm. They need some good news at
• 44:16
  Speaker 6: the moment. And one thing that might help that along
• 44:19
  Speaker 6: is this, the WFH law nail in coffin. Victoria's promised
• 44:25
  Speaker 6: landmark work from home laws are all but dead, with
• 44:28
  Speaker 6: Premier Ben Carroll now refusing to commit to implementing them
• 44:31
  Speaker 6: before November's state election. Parliament's upper house sensationally voted on
• 44:35
  Speaker 6: Thursday to refer the contentious legislation to a parliamentary committee
• 44:40
  Speaker 6: meaning the government has run out of time to pass it. So,
• 44:43
  Speaker 6: in other words, Carroll very much wants this one to
• 44:47
  Speaker 6: run dead.
• 44:47
  Speaker 4: In the water. It saves him from having to make
• 44:50
  Speaker 4: a decision one way or the other. It's a shocker.
• 44:52
  Speaker 6: Backs it, you know, the business groups hate him, doesn't
• 44:55
  Speaker 6: back it, the left get on his back.
• 44:57
  Speaker 4: And so now.
• 44:58
  Speaker 6: WFH has gone back to where it should have been
• 45:00
  Speaker 6: all along, which is WTF.
• 45:02
  Speaker 2: Well, good one. Absolutely great.
• 45:04
  Speaker 3: I just want to quickly look at the Canberra Times
• 45:05
  Speaker 3: before we go to a break. This picture of Bill Shorten.
• 45:09
  Speaker 3: He's looking very jolly. Our big news on campus.
• 45:12
  Speaker 2: It says.
• 45:12
  Speaker 3: Thousands of Canberra University students and staff will gain access
• 45:16
  Speaker 3: to the city's premier news source. But there's Bill smiling away.
• 45:21
  Speaker 4: Doesn't he look happy?
• 45:23
  Speaker 2: He does.
• 45:24
  Speaker 3: He's a jolly old chap now that he's left politics,
• 45:26
  Speaker 3: isn't he? All right, let's go to a quick break.
• 45:27
  Speaker 3: Did you know that cavemen from 25,000 years ago were
• 45:31
  Speaker 3: thought to be the very first drug users?
• 45:34
  Speaker 2: There you go. That's next.
• 45:39
  Speaker 4: Welcome back.
• 45:39
  Speaker 3: A car in Atlanta has fallen off a bridge, landed
• 45:42
  Speaker 3: on a tunnel and broken through.
• 45:44
  Speaker 2: And I wouldn't want to be this guy.
• 45:45
  Speaker 9: The car is literally about to fall from this bridge.
• 45:50
  Speaker 3: Like, I don't know how, like, I'm so confused.
• 45:53
  Speaker 4: Is there a hole in the bridge?
• 45:54
  Speaker 2: How is a car just hanging from the ceiling? Like,
• 45:57
  Speaker 2: I'm confused.
• 45:58
  Speaker 3: Now I should have prefaced that by saying he's alive,
• 46:00
  Speaker 3: he is fine, he is absolutely fine and he was rescued. But, gee,
• 46:04
  Speaker 3: how would you be in that moment when your foot
• 46:06
  Speaker 3: just goes boom through a tunnel?
• 46:09
  Speaker 4: I just want to check it wasn't the Porsche from
• 46:11
  Speaker 4: last night. Oh, yeah.
• 46:12
  Speaker 6: If it was me, there would have been a little
• 46:14
  Speaker 6: something running down that leg.
• 46:17
  Speaker 2: I think all of us would have had.
• 46:18
  Speaker 6: A couple of trickle here and there. I would not
• 46:20
  Speaker 6: have been my usual equanimical self.
• 46:23
  Speaker 2: No.
• 46:23
  Speaker 4: I think I... Anyway.
• 46:25
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 46:26
  Speaker 4: What's happening in the water?
• 46:27
  Speaker 5: Well, I've got to say, as a former emergency services minister,
• 46:30
  Speaker 5: this one made me very cranky.
• 46:34
  Speaker 2: Oh, no.
• 46:34
  Speaker 3: Oh, no.
• 46:36
  Speaker 2: Please. Over. Oh.
• 46:38
  Speaker 4: Go, David.
• 46:39
  Speaker 2: It's all right. A little bit.
• 46:49
  Speaker 1: More embarrassing, isn't it?
• 47:00
  Speaker 5: Kids, don't do that at home because that is the
• 47:03
  Speaker 5: most selfish thing that any person could do. I used
• 47:06
  Speaker 5: to look after 250,000 volunteer emergency services workers across the.
• 47:12
  Speaker 4: State of New South Wales.
• 47:14
  Speaker 5: 70,000 of them were from the Surf Lifesaving and they
• 47:16
  Speaker 5: were unnecessarily putting their lives on the line to save
• 47:18
  Speaker 5: you from your stupid, stupid adventure-seeking decision and I think
• 47:24
  Speaker 5: you should be taken home. and given a good hard
• 47:27
  Speaker 5: talking to.
• 47:27
  Speaker 4: Yeah, that's absolutely right.
• 47:28
  Speaker 3: It is so dumb, isn't it, when people do that?
• 47:30
  Speaker 3: Because you're not just putting your life on the line.
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  Speaker 2: That's definitely right.
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  Speaker 3: Everybody has to come out there and try and save you,
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  Speaker 3: and God forbid something happens as well to them.
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  Speaker 4: And it often does.
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  Speaker 2: So dumb.
• 47:39
  Speaker 4: That's right.
• 47:39
  Speaker 2: So dumb.
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  Speaker 4: And also, David Hasselhoff might not be there when you
• 47:42
  Speaker 4: need him. No.
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  Speaker 6: So just think about it. Speaking of stupidity, it turns
• 47:47
  Speaker 6: out it goes a long, long, long way back. I
• 47:51
  Speaker 6: think this could be sort of reassuring news for Warren Pickering,
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  Speaker 6: given the week that he's just had. It turns out
• 47:57
  Speaker 6: he is not the first drug user to grace this
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  Speaker 6: fine green earth. Cavemen from 25,000 years ago have now
• 48:08
  Speaker 6: been revealed to be the first human drug users. and
• 48:12
  Speaker 6: they got their buzz from sucking on wild nuts. No,
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  Speaker 6: not what you're thinking. The actual betel nut, which some communities,
• 48:21
  Speaker 6: I know, are very big in.
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  Speaker 4: PNG, I think. Yes, they're big in melanin.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, really?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah.
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  Speaker 6: So it's a red nut that you chew and it
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  Speaker 6: sort of gives you a bit of a, I don't know,
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  Speaker 6: I've never had it.
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  Speaker 4: It's a buzz. It's like kava.
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  Speaker 5: But when you get onto a plane in Papua New Guinea,
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  Speaker 5: there's a sign that says do not use betel nut
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  Speaker 5: in the plane because you've got to spit it out.
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  Speaker 4: That's right.
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  Speaker 6: And also it rots all your teeth. It makes your
• 48:39
  Speaker 6: teeth go red and you lose all your teeth. But
• 48:41
  Speaker 6: I guess you're. You're so high that you don't really care. So,
• 48:44
  Speaker 6: you know, swings and roundabouts. So this is before the
• 48:48
  Speaker 6: Ice Age. Oh, before the Ice Age. They analysed teeth
• 48:51
  Speaker 6: from two rare human skeletons from Indonesia, so Java Man
• 48:54
  Speaker 6: and all that.
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  Speaker 4: Java man's way older than that, I have to say.
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  Speaker 6: Dating to between 4,300 BC and 23,000 BC, which is
• 49:02
  Speaker 6: the overlap between the Ice Age and the Stone Age,
• 49:06
  Speaker 6: when people.
• 49:07
  Speaker 4: Hunted and gathered and slept in their caves. So there
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  Speaker 4: you go.
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  Speaker 6: Warren Pickering, not the first, won't be the last. Won't
• 49:11
  Speaker 6: be the last. In fact, he's following in a.
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  Speaker 4: Proud human tradition.
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  Speaker 2: If the cavemen did.
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  Speaker 4: It, then.
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  Speaker 6: that's... And I just wanted to give special mention to
• 49:18
  Speaker 6: the son which carried the headline, Yabba Dabba Doobie.
• 49:21
  Speaker 2: Yabba Dabba Doobie. There you go.
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  Speaker 3: All right, Joe and David, thanks for tonight and thanks
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  Speaker 3: to you at home. Coming up next, it's the Rita
• 49:27
  Speaker 3: Panahy Show.
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  Speaker 2: Good night.