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Random Heathen Ramblings: S3, EP30 - Carving The Divine w/ Gungnir Godposts. · Random Heathen Ramblings

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Welcome back. Welcome welcome.
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Welcome to September. It is the first day of September
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at the time that this podcast is being aired.
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I'm actually recording this off cycle because of my guest today.
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Very excited to finally be able to reveal who I have on the show
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today. And Not all that.
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Yeah. So you're going to have to
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forgive me for feeling a little bit off right now.
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I know for you guys watching, it's not gonna really feel much
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like that, but for me, it is because it is a Saturday
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morning. Well yeah, it's a Saturday
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morning. Still here for me and for my
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guests. It is a Saturday evening.
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So, I have to adjust had to adjust my recording schedule for
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my guests today, which we will be welcoming him and in just a
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moment. But now that we are in
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September, I do just want to remind everybody that there is a
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meet-up coming to the Middle Tennessee area in the Barfield
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Crescent Park in Murfreesboro Tennessee on Saturday.
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September 17th. There is a Facebook event page
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for this. It's going to be annotated
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linked down in the description or show notes wherever you catch
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all that information from. So be sure to check that out and
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if you're in the vicinity and want to come out and it is a
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potluck style Park moot. So we are asking for attendees
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to bring an item of food. To share with the folks who
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come, I'm still. Debating on what I'm going to be
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bringing up. I've heard that there's going to
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be. chili, I've heard that there's going to be maybe some
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like slider sandwiches you know, so any kind of like picnic, you
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know, cookout kind of side, you know, what you want to bring
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like a Coleslaw or a salad or, or let me call those things
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charcuterie, right? Which is just a fancy name for,
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you know, meat and cheese and vegetable or fruit tray.
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Probably going to be be bringing some chicken.
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So yeah, it's going to be again in the Barfield Crescent Park on
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Saturday, September 17th. We're expecting to get quite a
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big turnout. You know, there's people coming
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from different parts of the state of Tennessee as well as
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from out-of-state. Believe we are expecting some
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people from northern Alabama. So it's going to be fun, it's
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going to be great. I actually have a friend coming
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all the way from Missouri, to spend the weekend with me, and
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he is going to be, of course, joining us there as well.
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So, for everybody, that's looking to get together with,
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you know, like my did heathens pagans, I know we are Going to
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be talking about the cross and kill Saga.
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So if you go to the event page that's linked and stuff, you'll
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find a PDF, you know so an electronic version of that.
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I know in today's day and age, we're all very keen on the
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digital versions of things. So you have the electronic
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document in PDF form. That's Linked In the Event group
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or the event page. So if you're wanting to rush
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yourself up on the coffin, kill Saga, you can read it.
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There's also going to be a podcast linked about the stock
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as well. So, if you're the type of person
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I just likes to sit back. Listen.
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You got that. So tons of options and another
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thing too, about kind of going off track, I mentioned to you
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guys. I'm recording here on a
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Saturday, normally I record on Monday, but because of my guests
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time difference on adjusting, I'm also just like a little bit
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foggy in the head because lesson, learned, my wife loves
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to But she doesn't love to watch but she does, she loves Jason
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Aldean and watching him perform. She can watch them live perform.
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But like, she's got these like live DVDs.
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Don't ever get into a drinking event with my wife, while she's
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watching Jason Aldean. But it that way, it was a hell
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of a fun time, but boy, oh boy. I'm feeling a little bit foggy
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in the brain from that event last night.
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So I've got Some things to help settle my stomach today.
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Yeah. Alright, so now that we've got
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all the housekeeping stuff, you guys be sure.
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Please don't forget that during this time we are running a
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fundraising campaign. For my even brother who has been
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on this podcast. And the number of times, it's
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dingo, you guys should be aware know of him by now.
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And if not check my back catalog for episodes that feature bingo.
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But he is my one of my best friends in the world.
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He is my Heathen, Brother truck, my tribesmen, my go.
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The He's just going through a hard time and we're trying to
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help him with some financial aid.
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And I wanted to open this up to the larger Pagan community.
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So that there is a Kofi Link in the link tree link, that's
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posted in all of my videos and all of my podcasts but today and
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through till the next couple of months.
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So, from now until like November, we are looking to
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raise some funds for him and we have a goal set at $500.
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We're about At least the time of this recording where, you know,
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in the 40% ish range 43%. I think was last time I checked
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so by the time this airs, it could be more but check the
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kowhai linked. Specifically, I'll have that
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annotated separately so that way you're not having to scroll
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through all my links, green links, but it isn't linked
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relink. So if you see something says,
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buy me a coffee, then that's the one, but it'll be annotated
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separately as well. And for the price of a cup of
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coffee, is what, you know, it's why they call it Kofi.
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So, so, for the price of a cup of coffee, you can help out
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dingo, so check all that out. But anyway, today, let's, let's,
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let's get into our guest speaker in our guest attendee today.
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So this fellow is all the way out in the United Kingdom.
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So as far as I can recall, this is my first guest from the UK.
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I've had folks on the channel from like Norway and in other
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places of the world I've had guests are not from Australia
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and all over the United States but this is to my recollection.
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The first guest on this podcast and on the channel from the
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United Kingdom and he is a wood carver, he carves God, poles of
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various. Sizes and styles, what he does,
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he has a very unique style and his aesthetic is incredible.
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Like how he The invasions the gods and brings them to life
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through wood carving. His name is Chris, his company
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is called gum near God. Pulls and I'm very excited to
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welcome him in today to talk about, you know, all kinds of
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things. You know, carving the gods, his
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background and history within Heathen re how he even read in
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the UK. You know, I would love would
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love to talk to somebody who's actually a practicing Pagan in
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the United Kingdom vs. Practicing pagans and people I
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know here in the United States and what the differences or
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similarities with that might be and just, I don't know.
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Just get to talking about wherever our ramblings lead us.
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So for the first time on the random Heathen ramblings
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podcast, like you all to please welcome in Chris from boom, your
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goggles. All right, everybody.
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Welcome to the random Heathen ramblings podcast.
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Chris from Google near guard posts for the very first time
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here and welcome sir. All right, thanks having this
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just yeah. I was telling the audience a
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little bit before. You know I do like a intro to
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the show and I'm lighting my instance right now because this
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is kind of like a little custom here but I was telling everybody
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that you're my first guest from the UK and how excited Is are
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excited. I am to host you here and I love
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your setup, man. Like I've seen I've seen your
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videos and and and this this space that you're in right now,
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this is the serves as like you're Chill Zone.
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But also you work here to write like this is kind of like your
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your office is at work. What just outside.
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It's because I saw dust and start and stuff like that.
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Okay space. It's got its kind of everything
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to us a family. Get-together here to have
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friends over for drinks and stuff.
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It kind of serves all purposes. What was interesting is that
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anybody comes here says soon as they come in here.
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It feels different without knowing anything about the
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stuff. So there's quite a quite a
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different fit and they like it's a comfortable feeling.
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Yeah. It's Yeah, it's been a labor of
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love. It's, you know, it's first of
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incarnations worry about 10 years ago, it was like a metal
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structure that will blow over in about six different storms and
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stuff back together. And now it's something a bit
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sturdier now and hopefully sort of its state of.
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Yeah. Yeah.
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It does, it looks and it's funny how you say, we're interesting,
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rather, how you say when people come into that space they
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whether or not, they may be know, About your, you know,
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religious practices paganism. Anything like that.
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They just it feels welcoming and it feels different when you step
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into that space. And I've I have a similar thing
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to compare to that or I can relate to that.
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Because over here, my, my group of tribesmen, right?
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Like my nearest and dearest, people who I practice, Heathen
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ring with. We have a space on, it's like
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some one of my friends, his parents property Has are Vey or
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are Grove at one point in time. They called it the Woodland
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Cathedral and it's a huge encounter or encirclement, you
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know, like a it's rock enclosure you know.
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So it's a round circle space but people that have come there in
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the past who aren't even Pagan step there and they immediately
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feel just the different I don't know energy and and just feeling
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around it and with as much work as you do near and around that
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space and how you, you know, venerate or practice it's no
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wonder to me. You know.
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It's no surprise to me that it could be felt by others.
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Yeah, thanks is, it's interesting.
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Both, you know, our ancestors, just knew that leaning
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Stonehenge. They drag those stones for
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hundreds of miles, to put them. There was a reason why they did
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it. Yeah.
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Yeah. Some places are just just
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special on. Yeah, absolutely.
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And so what I would love to continue to talk more about that
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but I do want to let people know or give some people that have
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maybe never heard of you or or know what it is.
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You do so good. In here.
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God posts. This is your Wood carving
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Venture, right? Your wood carving business, this
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is what you do to. Yeah.
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Yeah. Bring life to the gods as a
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moment. It's a, it's a hobby and it's a
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passion role in the business. The the long-term goal is to
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make it business. I do it alongside a full-time
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job and parenting and everything else kind of in a position now
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where I've been at it for nine years now this year and it's,
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you know, if it's a great position to be in that my demand
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far outstrips Gasps, it's great. That moment them a little
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expensive part of the world and having done a little bit of
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maths. It's just not quite there yet,
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but we could live comfortably off.
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It without it, becoming a pressure and I never wanted to
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become a pressure. It's something that I love
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doing, I do it to relax until wind, you know, I never want to
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be doing it, a lot of those debates.
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Oh yeah, then the, you know, the business side of it is coming
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but I'm in no rush with at the moment.
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Okay? So how long so you say nine
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years? So nearly a Jade, you've been
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carving. Yeah, it's incredible to think.
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We're ready. How fast that time is gone, but
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also feels like, I've been doing it.
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My whole life was, and just how many pieces I've done in that
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time. I mean, I never set out to do
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it. I always used to just for fun.
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I would I would draw and I was Kate, mythological characters
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and eventually carrots. I was drawing starting to take
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on this kind of chisel blocking effect and I was looking at him.
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Get that might look quite cool 3D night and one day I was just
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clearing out a garden shed in our old place and I just found
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this small piece of Timber. Just don't care of Timber and I
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just looked in it and I just thought I'm going to, I'm going
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to give it a go. I'm going to try with that piece
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of Timber. So just took a just a basic
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knife and I sat down and I worked away a little thought
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over 3 or 4 days. Only turned out pretty good to
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know. I was really pleased with it and
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I posted a few Pictures of the Facebook.
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And some of my friends said, wow, that's pretty cool.
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Could you do me one with, in a jar of the one?
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They posted pictures on Facebook of the therefore, it started
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messaging me and all of a sudden it becomes a thing, you know?
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Yeah. And now I've done hundreds and
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sent them all over the world and it's it's grown into something.
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I never intended it to or anticipated that it would.
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But it's It's been an incredible journey and I love it more than
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anything I've ever done. Friendships you make another
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context. You have with people this
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hearing will create meetings to people is yeah it's really
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humbling. Sometimes it's quite hard to
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believe that you would like to know that other people and feel
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the energy as well. Yeah.
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Is Is really look like it's rewarding, isn't it?
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Is, it's something to have anything more fulfilling than
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that. Recently, I visited have a
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friend of mine, he's not leaving because of pagan.
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He knows nothing about it. We were doing a bit of work
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together and I took him a little Odin.
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Pendant are made and he unwrapped it held it in his hand
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and he sat down and he started to cry and said I'm so
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embarrassed. The same time, I don't know what
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it is but this is It's just done something to me, there's
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something in it for something I can feel from it and it's see
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that percent. It's not always lovely to get
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messages from people. When they say, when they are
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wrap it and feel it and you feel a bit to see that firsthand.
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See something. You know experience, what I put
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into it, it's you oh yeah there is there is nothing more.
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Fulfilling, somebody who knows nothing about it.
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You know who's only ever seen Logan and a Marvel.
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Yeah. You know to feel that was that
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was that was really quite alive. Yeah.
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I mean yeah, definitely I think that, you know, so I have some
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guard posts, God poles, whatever you want to call him,
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representations of the gods that a friend of mine here in the
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states, he carves, as well. And its really, I love seeing
18:44
how different Craftsman craftspeople, Envision, the gods
18:51
and how they bring an inanimate object like wood or stone or
18:56
whatever and how they give that item a personality, a
19:02
anesthetic, you know, and the differences between maybe you
19:07
and and and other people that that craft, you know, it's
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they're all beautiful in their own way that they're all unique
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and that's what I think is so great about working with folks
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who do this with their hands. Because, you know, you could go
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to, you know, an online store or get something that is like a
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literally, a casted mold of, of a figure, you know what I mean?
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Like, a statue or whatever, and there's literally hundreds or
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thousands of them being produced, and they are.
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So, you know, nothing against people that want to get that.
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If it's To them, right? But I'm like well, you got
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something that, you know, 500 other people across the world.
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Have what, where's the, you know, the art, or the Odin, or
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the Thor, whatever that you carve today, it's not going to
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be exactly the same as the one that you carve tomorrow.
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And it's not the same as exactly as the one you carved last week.
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Like there's, there's different unique, exactly.
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How you to Rabbit the same. Oh, you know, I don't think
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like, you say, I love seeing other people's work as well.
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You know, I don't ever want to be the guy who can't stop posts.
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I love seeing other people's work.
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The thing that plastic plugs me it doesn't really bother me is
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when I see people copy my stuff. There's a few had some some
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words about that. So you know, the unique
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yourself, right? Like, you know do something of
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your own vision? Yes, exactly.
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That. You know my style is not an
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emulation of anyone else. Something that comes from my
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relationship with God since developed in recent years.
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So when I see someone do a direct copy of one of my pieces
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that special Quest since it's only an evil whole process and
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what it means. So I tend to be quite
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diplomatically. I don't know, it's probably a
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little bit hostile and, ya know. That it's not acceptable and
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whatever spirit is, maybe you need to reconsider that, I get
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where you're coming from. I get I definitely get where you
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coming from. Most people are finding out that
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they look sorry. I didn't the other thing too is
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like when it's yeah. Well the other thing too is when
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you carve the way you carve and when like for instance, you
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know, Oh my god. Post here that I have Odin's
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beard. Woodworking is the name of the
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of the company that I got my stuff from and Matt carves,
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these are has carved all of my Idols or God pulls, you know,
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the energy, the spirit behind what you do, it's not just a
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physical item anymore. The you're bringing something to
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life and part of your life is being imbued into that object.
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So the spirit behind it, I think that's what I think that's part
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of what people are feeling. Like you say your friend who's
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not Pagan and doesn't understand or follow anything that maybe we
22:16
understand or follow still feel something.
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It's because they're your friend there.
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Somebody who connects with you and and and that connection is
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is alive inside of this. Otherwise inanimate object and
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you can't again you can't recreate that bye.
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You know, copying from somebody else or exactly the same way.
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Yeah, I think you're right. You're absolutely right.
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I think any human energy and creativity that goes into
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something that has a resonance that other people feel, you
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know. Yeah and like said when it is
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its Solace copy of see if it's not there.
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It's yeah. So where do you get your
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material? Like, do you Source your Your
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wood from the, like the land or like, what's the process like
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for you to procure. The materials car makes really
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need some good luck. And for 30 pieces, shop locally
23:39
sourced, fine just really no local Health ways and stores and
23:43
stuff are always make sure that it's you know it's
23:45
environmentally sound and your stomach.
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Yeah a bit of a mix ready. What's your favorite if you have
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one material to work with? If you had like, if you had to
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pick like oh I really like carving, you know, ashore Elmore
24:00
Willow or whatever you have. Favorite.
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Yeah I do really like Willow actually, I think partly because
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we've now got this family connection with it with the
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green out for four years and the tree is sort of part of our
24:12
family and it's, you know, It's software, but it's not so soft.
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Like butter cheese, like butter, you know.
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Yeah. Just like yeah.
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You sneeze on in and it creates a really nice smooth flowing
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lines and the feed the feedback you get from it that, you know,
24:38
the business assistance, that feel of the, you know, the
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timber pushing back into the blade in and into your forearms.
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It's hard to explain if they do it, but it's It's just a nice
24:47
experience, you know. So I've never carved like God,
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pulls whatever, but I have dabbled in working with making
24:56
room sets. Part of what helps support like
24:59
the channel and different things.
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You know, I can make a room set for somebody and you know it's
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that gift exchange. You know, you know for this
25:06
you're helping me out and like similarly with you and The
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Willow there's a maple tree that is has Been here in our yard
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ever since my wife and I have lived here.
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Well before then. And then throughout the years,
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you know, it's needed to be trimmed because it grows
25:28
invasively to touch. I like the roof of our of our of
25:32
our home. And you know, you gotta you
25:34
gotta take care of your yard and part of that is hey man you
25:36
know, you're being a little, you getting all up in my space here
25:39
we got to cut a few limbs down and again to take care of it and
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some of those limbs that have you know been Removed for the
25:47
sake of the health of the tree and of our yard have been
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crafted into my own room sets and other room sets.
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And yeah, I think that whole connection with the spirit of
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the land that is that exists in these living beings because the
26:04
trees are alive the you know the are the ground, everything it's
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it's a it's a wonderful bonding experience, you know?
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Yeah, I completely agree. Something that you could have.
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Personal relationship with yeah. Yeah.
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I've also seen some of your posts where you are.
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Do you carve Driftwood also like do you?
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Yeah, is probably my favorite goddess of all.
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I've always loved to see I live about an hour from the city of
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Target. Choked up a smoking up and of
26:39
about an hour from from the coast, but I just love to visit
26:44
the see. It just brings an instant Just
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sense of calm and well-behaved. Yeah, I feel myself, go still
26:55
inside, whatever, whatever I didn't see us because it's
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something that's quite hard to explain place.
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It's a really special relationship that I have.
27:05
So, I particularly love burning. Whenever I go I try and pick up
27:09
some bricks, but it's a completely different thing.
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I've always been in the sea and what kind of wood it is.
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You get something completely. Son is so soft and fragile and
27:23
son is his heart. Yeah, right almost petrified in
27:28
a way. Yeah, absolutely that.
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I love this. I love this thinking about,
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like, Driftwood in a way because again, you don't know what kind
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of wood it is. You don't know the origin of it,
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but it is something of its of its own like there's nothing
27:44
else that can like, you can't go The forest and find Driftwood.
27:48
You know what I mean? It's been made into Driftwood
27:53
through time and and and ordeal, right?
27:56
Because of the of the tides and the experience of the of the
28:00
coastal Waters and all that stuff.
28:03
It is, it becomes something different than what it
28:05
originally was before. That's right.
28:08
That's what I love about it. It's got a story.
28:09
It's got its own life already. It's you know, you know where
28:13
it's been where it's coming from, you know.
28:14
Yeah. For Ivan do.
28:16
Anything with it so it's already got some magic in it.
28:20
Yeah, I love that. I love making Rune sets out of
28:24
Driftwood, it's one of them. Probably more popular materials.
28:28
That clients request me. Because, you know, I'll either
28:33
Source Birch or or, or Driftwood because they're, they're readily
28:39
available in the market, you know?
28:40
And so they love how the feel and the look of Of Driftwood,
28:47
turns out after I finish making them and that's what I enjoy
28:50
working with. It's a, it's a pleasant
28:52
experience. Yeah.
28:54
Yeah, yeah. I love my own.
29:01
She still every time it rains. She weeps sea salt.
29:06
So now this sort of vote White's or powders are the forms of
29:11
every time it rains. It's so deeply ingrained in the
29:13
word. I mean, I made out with three
29:15
years ago down and Laughs bring it brings out more Cecil about.
29:21
That's incredible how ingrained it is into the to the material,
29:25
like it after all all this time. Huh?
29:28
Yeah, man. I I'm you know where I'm
29:29
originally, from course I'm in Tennessee now which is a
29:32
landlocked state. So if I want to go to the coast,
29:35
I'm having to drive eight hours in any direction just to get
29:39
there but I'm from the east coast of the United States.
29:42
So I'm from New York and I grew up Near the ocean.
29:46
I was like in less than an hour from the Atlantic coast and I
29:49
was 10 minutes away from assaulted body of water.
29:52
That separates the North Shore to the state of Connecticut.
29:56
So the Long Island Sound I grew up in those Waters to and it's
29:59
always, I yearn for a lot, like I miss it, I've become very
30:03
close to the Inland bodies of water.
30:07
So the streams, the rivers freshwater, marshes.
30:11
I feel very close in those aspects.
30:14
When I'm When I'm there, it feels like I'm home, but I do, I
30:18
miss the coast because it does, it carries its own life, and it
30:21
carries its own energy. And it's a different energy than
30:24
the mountains energy, or the, the rivers and valleys.
30:28
It's different kind of personality, I guess, you're
30:31
right. It absolutely is.
30:36
Yeah, exactly. That the landscape around here
30:41
is very rural, just down the road from readers.
30:44
Visibility called thirst lie. Which literally translates to
30:48
Thor's lie. Yeah, the village sign is is a
30:52
green circle, has got Thor and it holding his hammer with it
30:55
within the feeling there are. It's yeah, it's really cold that
31:00
build these things. Still live on in everything.
31:02
Our country has been through that.
31:04
I've gone to school with in the village.
31:07
There are three huge mounds of Earth and the third one is its
31:13
kind of red and it's made of The Iron Stone covered in Heather.
31:16
Scrubbers run over pine trees Etc and they're called The
31:19
Devil's jumps. The local story.
31:23
Is that thought this, you devil probably locator originally, but
31:27
around the time of christianisation, I think about
31:29
these stories got adapted and shoot him across the landscape
31:33
and swung his hammer and three times, three times, the devil
31:36
jumps, and haven't missed. And every time it struck the
31:38
ground, it created one of these mounds of the Earth and It goes
31:45
back to what you're saying about.
31:46
The this is what I was getting to personality of landscape.
31:49
You go and stand on top of that, it's called the Stony junk and
31:54
it just just didn't bodies know about it, it's red.
32:01
Yeah, that is a great. Okay.
32:05
So that I mean, that's great. I love the the local, the
32:09
folklore and and the story because you're not going to find
32:12
it in a book. At least I don't know of a book
32:14
that I would Whatever, maybe, you know, English folklore or
32:17
Saxon folklore? I don't know where I would ever
32:19
find that. That is great.
32:21
And that was another thing that I was wanting to, maybe pick
32:26
your brain a bit about is, how alive is Heathen.
32:30
Re in the UK versus here like in the state's now comparatively
32:33
speaking, I mean, we I think globally we are aware of a
32:39
rising Interest or insurgents, rather maybe of like the
32:44
interest to pursue paganism across different cultures but
32:48
dramatic Heathen or you like Germanic paganism, which of
32:51
course has its roots in. You know, you're in your part of
32:56
the world and North further north of course, but it's it it
33:01
made its way there. And clearly, you know, there are
33:04
places that still have Nods to the old gods like thirstily.
33:09
I mean if that's literally a name place of Thor, we see that
33:12
in other countries and other places as well even up further
33:15
north and like Scandinavia. And so, so how present aside
33:22
from that? I mean, how has been how has it
33:24
been in like the United Kingdom with active heathens, like are
33:29
there groups in your area that people gather and do things
33:33
together with? I don't know, events, whatever.
33:36
They're also there's a group here, called called a UK, as a
33:40
true UK, who kind of got on a mission to create a national
33:45
network and have hearts to delivery in the country, I'll be
33:51
honest. You know, that's not my thing.
33:54
I think what they're doing is great that bills, networks of
33:57
people who are on their own and want to be with other
33:59
like-minded people. That's brilliant me.
34:00
Personally, this is not my thing.
34:03
I'm more about my relationship with the land and with nature
34:08
then about with other people. I've been to a couple of big,
34:12
some ritual setups and it just I just felt and I think he did it
34:17
just wasn't there for me where I can go sit under a tree and I'm
34:19
completely in the right place, you know?
34:23
Yeah. But let's get back to your
34:25
question. Yes, it's very active here.
34:28
I think, you know, it's far from mainstream.
34:31
I would say, still, It's certainly becoming more common
34:37
and for good or bad. I think things like the Vikings
34:40
TV show. Going to brought it to the main
34:41
streams of thought to the for and got people thinking about
34:45
it. Thank you, see, a lot of people
34:47
walking around with the haircut and Thor's hammer on Monday.
34:51
Yeah, or about it or whether it's it is fashion statement
34:54
there that we go with the next one that I don't know but it's
34:57
it's certainly put it into people's minds you know and
35:00
again you know that It's a guy little while ago and that was
35:07
his introduction to Thor and Loki and people like that, even
35:10
when picks up a book and realized that there's much more
35:13
to it than Marvel, we know and started to see some right
35:16
England and what they represented and and understand
35:19
the hopes of Heritage and culture that they didn't really
35:22
know about before because it's not widely taught in our
35:24
schools, you know that. Ya know I think, you know, I was
35:30
like my introduction to and I would love to hear yours too
35:33
because Made I haven't always been Pagan.
35:35
I was raised in Christianity and but I always like I remember I
35:44
think probably the first time we're like the seed was planted.
35:46
I don't remember how old exactly I was but I was probably like a
35:52
teenager young teenager and he went to in this is I was still
35:56
in this house still in New York. And I went to a renaissance fair
36:01
or Renaissance Festival, you know, everybody's dressed in
36:04
Period clothing and there's different types of characters
36:07
and stuff roaming around. And I found my way to an area
36:12
that had a very strong, you know, like Viking aesthetic and
36:18
with I was talking to, you know, they had axes and Shields and
36:22
that that sort of thing and I was talking to the vendor about
36:26
just, you know, Emily Heritage, you know, and I'm saying, yeah,
36:30
you know, I'm very interested about my family's Heritage on my
36:35
dad's side because it's mostly German and Dutch and there's
36:39
other things, but it's predominantly German and Dutch.
36:42
And he said, well then you've got Viking in you at some point
36:45
because of how widespread the people went at, you know,
36:50
between the raids and everything gets, you know, they were they
36:52
were all over the place. So if you've got ancestry in
36:56
your German and Dutch that, you know, then Then in your, you've
36:59
got Viking blood in your what I was like, oh, that's
37:01
interesting. And then fast forward to, you
37:04
know, maybe about seven years ago, I was at a point in my life
37:09
where I was really not into Christianity anymore.
37:12
I have a lot of doubts and questions and just things didn't
37:14
feel right. And you know, I of course, the
37:18
Vikings thing came out and I was like, well, maybe I should look
37:21
at that more and see cuz I remember that one time, where
37:23
that guy said, you know, I had Viking Blood or Viking, And come
37:29
to find out what that really means and that the Vikings were,
37:32
you know, it was an age. It was it was a time period in
37:34
time it is and it's largely used to describe the north, you know,
37:39
northern Europe and the Germanic people.
37:42
But it's, you know, there was, it was an occupation.
37:43
It was a, it was a thing to do. It wasn't, you know, you weren't
37:47
Viking because you were born when you were biking because you
37:50
did the thing to that classified.
37:52
You as such you, when trading, you did all that crazy stuff.
37:55
So I learned more about that, and Yeah, so I mean I like it
38:01
is, it's interesting too to hear people's stories of origin and
38:04
be like yeah I might have been the TV show might have been a
38:06
movie, might have been a conversation and then that's the
38:09
seed that planted there. The tree that grows into their
38:13
path. So what was your, what was your
38:16
background? It's always interesting to hear
38:18
that story. Everyone's story is different,
38:21
it's great. I mean mine started.
38:23
We 30 years ago. I think I was always Pagan but
38:27
before that even I would always just feel something different
38:31
than the woods around trees. And I would when I was in the
38:33
street or in the city and could never quite Put put a name to it
38:41
or any sort of significance doing.
38:44
I've got into my teens 1718 and I think about someone, like you
38:47
start to question a lot better, and I started to think about my
38:53
Origins, my belonging, but not just my own, this thought, the
38:55
know, the story, the land, and the people and, you know,
38:59
religion and philosophy, and things like that, and everything
39:02
will be taught in school was about Christianity.
39:05
He requested history of Christianity.
39:07
Was that somebody is a thousand years old.
39:09
So what happened before that there's a lot of history that we
39:13
haven't really been told very much about, so I the internet
39:16
wasn't around. Then, you know, you have to go
39:19
to a library and we books. So that's what I did.
39:22
I started to believe you find out about this helps that's a
39:31
couple of books on the ecology calcium box.
39:34
If I think that might be relevant to the British Isles,
39:37
you know. And certainly the taxes that we
39:42
just couldn't leave it more. So perhaps that's what I feel
39:46
under that tree. That's that you tree that cool
39:51
dark quiet this that's that's owed.
39:53
It's like a foreboding sort of presidents, their massive Terror
39:58
and that. Well, that's that's thought the
39:59
old and I started to see the story.
40:03
What's the story? I used to live by the dying of
40:16
the sun's coming up, it's time to say, you know, Harvest and
40:27
Don't just really resonate is that?
40:30
That was the right path. Certainly for me in nature was
40:38
back. Yeah.
40:47
I think it's a noticed the thing when you said you know, I think
40:52
I've always been Pagan and then you made a statement that To
40:57
stick out, you know, didn't really know what to call it.
41:01
And that's a really interesting thing because that people that
41:05
were Pagan at the time, they didn't have a name for what they
41:07
were. They just were what they were,
41:09
right? They weren't heathens.
41:10
That was some, that was a name that was given to them by the
41:14
Christians, you know, they were called pagans.
41:16
They were called this big by the Christians because they weren't
41:19
Christian, you know, they weren't the thing that that
41:22
everybody else was. So, and and growing up myself,
41:26
you know? Looking back on it like yeah,
41:28
sure. I was a I was raised as a as a
41:31
as a Christian and learned Christian World Views and
41:35
doctrines and that sort of thing.
41:37
But I was I was always, you know, I've talked about this
41:40
plenty of times, like I didn't as a kid growing up, like I
41:43
didn't want to go play video games.
41:45
I didn't want to stay inside, I wanted to be outside.
41:47
I want to go into the woods. I wanted to go play in the in
41:51
the, you know, in the rivers or thus, or the sea or whatever I
41:55
wanted to be out. In in nature and I so I think
41:59
maybe you know whether I knew it or not at the time but thinking
42:03
back on it now it was it's always been a part of me that's
42:06
always been their kind of dormant and and living in a way
42:10
that I just didn't know what to call her or didn't call myself
42:14
that at the time. Yeah, and lucky said, it didn't
42:17
have a name is just what people did all over the world.
42:22
I think that the similarities in these stories are fascinating
42:25
for me. Dogs to Native Americans.
42:28
Like you Greek you know there are sky farms and Earth mothers
42:31
is got to death. You know these things and I you
42:36
know, I think they were rejected from the sort of seek mankind,
42:40
you know, there's people have migrated these stories is gone
42:43
and evolve with them and take them on the characteristics of
42:46
their, their Landscapes, that the gods have developed their
42:50
own names and personalities that that relate to that landscape.
42:57
Yeah, and I ate your, you know, I think it's a is the the
43:00
similarities across cultures. It's you know, who you know, the
43:04
north would call, you know, Odin.
43:06
You know the people South would call woden, you know what I
43:10
mean? Like just etymologically
43:12
speaking, you know, the Linguistics and the
43:14
similarities, but again like you saying how, you know, the sky
43:18
father's, the the Earth, mother's those, those are
43:22
Aesthetics and those are builds of the Sacred orb.
43:26
Divine that we see across all places in the world and it, you
43:32
know, when we get when we talk about how, you know, I think a
43:37
lot of pagans, you know, no matter where you go in the world
43:39
and whether they're dramatic pagans or Celtic pagans, or
43:44
Hellenistic or whatever, you know, I think the the the
43:48
Adoration, the appreciation, the veneration of nature, we're all
43:52
just kind of animistic. Pagans, you know, like you
43:57
could, you know, whether you want to be dramatic or whatever,
43:59
it's, you know, we appreciate and we and we know that there
44:03
are bigger things than just us that exist in the world around
44:07
us and we don't feel so I don't know.
44:09
Maybe obligated to focus on The big gods and goddesses you like
44:15
it, they are important and they deserve and you know, the
44:18
respecting, the veneration that they that way that we give them.
44:21
But on the day to day stuff, you know, like where we're
44:25
connecting with Spirits all around us that are literally
44:28
right here with us, not not in some realm that we can't
44:31
tangibly connect to. So, I think that there's a,
44:34
that's important to remember, as well.
44:36
And for me, when I first became Pagan, you know, because of the
44:39
Christian baggage, right? Because of being focused.
44:43
Gaston, you know, one single God, you know, I came into
44:46
paganism thinking that I had to do the same thing with With the
44:50
dramatic God's you know like oh, you know, I'm going to be in
44:53
trouble if I don't. And I see that quite a lot,
44:56
particularly pagans that they almost just from God and Jesus
45:02
with pagan gods and elevated right there to the same status
45:08
level of devotion. And I, you know, I would never
45:11
say to anyone that is wrong. An experience around us all the
45:22
time. There was trees the Earth, they
45:26
everything. They're not something that we're
45:29
trying to Aspire to up there in the next life record this time.
45:34
That's interesting how you bring that up the that it's that it's
45:37
specifically when American Heathen rear American pagans and
45:41
I did want to bring that up because I've you know, again
45:44
speaking to different people from across the world, the
45:47
perception of heathen re In North America from largely from
45:52
what I've seen. It's almost like they that we're
45:55
getting don't say laughed at but we the perception from places
46:00
like the UK or other other areas in Europe and where this all
46:05
sort of originated from they you know they people are like what
46:09
are you guys doing over there man?
46:10
Like why? And I don't know if that's just
46:14
you know yes us picking up on the Christianity aspect of
46:20
things and it's a skewed view of it or what.
46:24
But it's interesting that you bring that up.
46:27
Yeah. Yeah.
46:28
It's certainly something I experienced more States than
46:33
anywhere else. Suffering that there is no
46:38
present that attracts it is in other places.
46:41
I don't know. But like I said, I would never
46:43
say to anyone that they're doing it wrong the way I do think.
46:46
It's right. I would never describe it to
46:48
anybody else. I think it's time to find their
46:51
own relationship with the Gods in their own, their own way.
46:56
Oh, yeah. I give to anyone and I get
46:59
asked, I figure we should I do. Read the stories, just really
47:04
understand who they are. They get to know the characters
47:08
like to know, stop? Yeah.
47:16
I like how you said, you know, it's like with dealing with your
47:19
friends and family because I've had conversations with other
47:21
people as well. And some actually very recently
47:25
and you've probably heard this type of thing that I'm about to
47:28
say where people feel Like they are disconnected from the gods,
47:35
or they feel like maybe I'm cursed by the gods because I did
47:38
something wrong and I'm like, don't think that's how this
47:40
works. And I use the analogy.
47:43
I'm like, look, I'm best friends with certain people and I don't
47:47
even talk to them every day and it's okay because they're doing
47:51
their own thing. So if you're not dealing with
47:54
the gods every day, that's kind of like I compared it, it's very
47:58
similar. Like, you don't have to deal
47:59
with the gods every single day in order to To be close with the
48:02
gods, you might go a week without talking to your best
48:04
friend, but you were still your best.
48:07
They're still your best friend, you know, will be the right
48:11
thing to do. Yeah, II think I was there at
48:34
one point two and and I'm not the same Pagan.
48:38
Now as I was even yesterday and certainly not last year or seven
48:43
years ago, when I first discovered this things I was
48:45
doing things differently back, then that I am doing.
48:47
Yeah, that I'm doing right now. You know, it's it's it's a, it's
48:51
a growth process. It's like, you know, the tree,
48:56
That that is planted. Today is becomes a tree in
49:00
several years and then grows into something, massive and
49:04
different, you know? So it's a growth process.
49:06
You're not going to be the same person Pagan.
49:10
Your faith is going to evolve. Your faith is going to grow,
49:12
too. So I think, you know, when
49:16
you're feeling those things and those moments, it's part of what
49:19
you need to learn for your journey for your path.
49:23
It's part of the learning process as part of the growth.
49:27
But for sure and carving the concert has been a massive
49:30
learning experience for me. I think if this had never gone,
49:36
the way that it did in become as big as it has, I would probably
49:38
still be a preset there with Odin and Thor because they're my
49:42
guys, you know, and not really explored much beyond that when I
49:46
get some of the messages me could you make me a hell?
49:49
Could you make me a load goin on?
49:51
Don't really know too much about them so I'll go back.
49:53
Are weak story again and then I'll start.
49:56
I think about how they relate to some of my life experience and
49:59
some of the things I've seen in the world around me, and then
50:04
they start to become more alive to me and I get the respect in
50:08
the understanding of the MP4 and you got.
50:12
So it's been really rewarding in that unexpected way for me to
50:19
car probably most of the pantheon of gods now and have
50:23
met a lot of characters that I probably wouldn't have gone out.
50:26
My way to to identify with otherwise.
50:31
Sounds almost like the carving for you.
50:36
The experience of putting blade to Wood and creating a
50:41
personality. Creating a life.
50:42
Basically is a ritual in itself is an ongoing ritual experience.
50:49
Yeah. It absolutely is spiritual or
50:54
whatever. Yeah, yeah, yeah, la can say
50:56
each one is a reflection. Not only on The story, how the
51:00
story relates to me, and like I said my own experiences
51:05
situations where I feel like what they represent as being
51:09
present as benefactor and trying to put myself in their position
51:14
in their stories and how I might have felt and why did act the
51:17
way they did, you get a real sense of empathy for the
51:22
character and they become market like a person?
51:24
You know you get to know them. Give them what life?
51:29
I feel like that. I've I felt that way when I made
51:35
room sets its again. It's not just oh you want to
51:38
reinsert, you know, and I go through the mechanics of it all
51:41
and here's your room set, right? It's it's entering like a
51:44
headspace. It's putting yourself and
51:47
separating yourself from, you know, the normal routines of, of
51:52
the day-to-day and stepping into a headspace that allows you to
51:58
really focus on. The purpose behind this, you
52:01
know, why? Why did somebody reach out to
52:03
me? Instead of just, you know, buy
52:04
something off of Amazon that's been mass-produced, you know,
52:07
obviously that it speaks to them to the point.
52:10
It's important to them. So now, let me put that in
52:13
energy and put that focus into what I'm doing.
52:15
And then the learning of studying of the rooms.
52:19
I mean, that's a whole Topic in and of itself, similarly, with
52:22
you and the Gods like when you're carving Odin's eye or,
52:28
you know, making a clear distinction between the two
52:32
sides of Hell's face, you know, or whatever, the strength of
52:37
Thor and how that's going to I guess become something into the
52:42
carving. Like, I don't know, just it's
52:45
such a connecting experience. It's more than just doing it.
52:50
Yeah, it is and it's all explains words.
52:52
Sometimes it's very yet. You had some actually really
53:00
neat stories with things that have happened.
53:03
Like when you make a mistake, or you cut a little bit too much
53:07
out of of it, you know, and how it either becomes part of the
53:13
uniqueness of that piece or how its You know sacrificed into the
53:18
fire or whatever, I mean, can you talk a little bit about
53:22
those types of things to and then maybe give the audience
53:25
some insight as to? Yeah, I mean it doesn't always
53:29
go go. Right when I started out, I had
53:31
meticulously plan. My piece sketch and sketch it
53:34
again, and sketch. It onto the wood and go and come
53:38
along now, it's more intuitive. I just pick up the piece of
53:42
woods, right? Okay, you thought like this and
53:44
just go through that whole thing.
53:46
Nope, let's go to press in my life.
53:47
These stories what he represents and he will start to come out,
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99% time, it goes, right? Because I've been doing it a
53:57
long time now and we do something the better you get it
54:01
every now and then it goes, sometimes it will be a happy
54:06
accident. Nobody been locally funny.
54:11
They'll be asleep or something. Just go a little bit wrong with
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actual actually. That's Point more.
54:16
Like its widest smile or whatever.
54:18
It's, you know, it's added something to the piece but know,
54:21
sometimes it's it isn't good enough and they have to be good
54:26
enough. Everything that these here is
54:27
the absolute best argument isn't good enough.
54:29
It will go any farther because I just I won't put it out there.
54:34
It's too important for what it represents.
54:37
The the relationship person is going to have with it but also
54:41
as a reflection of me, if I'm going out stuff that I don't
54:44
think is good enough. What does that About me as a
54:46
person has. I would rather throw it away and
54:50
start getting the do that because I think the end of the
54:53
day reputation is all God is really in this world.
54:58
Yeah, we don't think that's the thing that that does not ever
55:00
die. Yeah, you know the reputation of
55:04
well one well-earned our says in all of them all.
55:07
Yeah yeah I do. I've got some funny little you
55:12
probably called in coincidences. Alex comes or synchronicities
55:15
work. But I think the first time I
55:17
carved, Scotty, she was one. I've never really knew much
55:22
about you become one of my favorite since I finished
55:25
carving, her was really happy with us at Downs.
55:27
Photograph on the table was a bit of an overcast day.
55:31
The moment has settled down, got my phone out, take photo this
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hailstorm just bolted out of nowhere and pelted that table.
55:41
She was on into big white hailstones, unless they get a
55:45
couple of Just then it's gone. The sun was out and it was the
55:50
ice is melting and it's just gonna.
55:52
But what? You know, what are the chance
55:55
is? Yeah, that that it in that
55:57
instant, it decided to do that. You know, I've had a few, a few
56:01
little things like that, that a double rainbow out here.
56:05
When I figured finished carving times over and again, setting
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down to photo my daughter was out here with me.
56:12
I said, look, rainbow and I looked up and there is not just
56:14
one baby but a couple rain. Bo was yeah, yeah, things like
56:19
that are cool. And I don't think I believe in
56:24
magic in the sense of pulling rabbits out of hats, but I think
56:29
there are lots of things like that that are magic, is the
56:32
synchronous teeth into. Connecting us things, I think
56:35
IG. It's ultimately being able to
56:38
change Consciousness or perception through an external
56:42
influence. So compost is a peaceful magic
56:46
because someone on their way to work in the morning walks past
56:50
their od'ing post. And puts them in a different
56:55
state of mind for that day. That's that's magic.
57:00
Crow at the bus, stop waiting for the bus go to work.
57:02
They think it's a raven and it's changed the way they're going
57:06
to. That meeting that woman.
57:08
That's magic external influences.
57:12
Altering our behaviors. I guess, a, what I consider
57:18
magic to be coming. Yeah.
57:21
Yeah, I I I'm 100% with you on that and the application of
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magic. We are workers of magic it in so
57:34
many ways that we don't even think about, you know what I
57:36
mean? Like, you're saying, like, the,
57:40
the influences that we can have on those external factors, like
57:43
we are tied into this web and the way we interact and we do.
57:49
I mean, it's constantly changing, it's constantly
57:52
shifting. And so we have a very powerful
57:55
place in the universe and what we do or don't do shapes.
58:00
That that web. Yeah, it's constantly.
58:04
Fossa fly's Wings, isn't it? You know, since it's the concept
58:08
of we're all things are connected.
58:11
Oh yeah. I-i've got room sets, 30 years,
58:15
I've only ever carved four weeks that's good at finding frankly,
58:17
2016 to do, but I very rarely consultant.
58:22
Now what I tend to do. Instead, I'll sit out here with
58:24
my goal posts, in front of the fire.
58:25
If I've got a question or a quandary or something that I
58:29
want to I'll over. I will sit with them by the
58:32
fire, and one of them will stand out in some way.
58:39
Fire will catch an eye, or just the way that one is turned
58:45
slightly towards another one, will grab my attention and it
58:51
kind of works in the same way that words, do I think it's a
58:53
psychological thing? I'm, you know, my subconscious
58:56
is looking for an answer and there it is.
58:59
That's it. That little thing telling me
59:02
what what I need to know. Do you understand other?
59:05
Yeah yeah. No I definitely get it in like
59:09
divination or tools to use for divination.
59:13
It again. It's always like just this Why
59:17
are you like, why are you here? What are you asking?
59:19
What are you looking for? And I think we all have that
59:23
desire to to get answers. And so, where we seek those
59:26
answers from should be what feels right for us?
59:31
Yeah, not everybody's going to be like, let me go Consulting
59:35
rooms or let me go talk to a aroun reader or Taro or bones
59:40
or, you know, whatever. Some people are just going to
59:42
like you, you know, just sit And the audience of the Gods, go go
59:46
go out into the woods under a tree sit in the river.
59:50
Go into the ocean whatever, you know, G connect, and then
59:53
there's your answers your things come to you in that way because
59:56
you're that's what feels better. That's what feels best.
59:59
That's what feels right. That's what works for you.
1:00:02
That's it. You know, that thinks the matter
1:00:04
these things, which means neither predicts the future for
1:00:07
us, something the answers are in.
1:00:08
Its, we know the answers. We just need that promise.
1:00:11
That thing that connects with our - the rest are.
1:00:14
There it is. That's it.
1:00:16
And it and it opens up a new, having you thought, or whatever.
1:00:22
Yes, on that. The like the owners friend quite
1:00:25
often, it's not the answer you wanted, is the one you've closed
1:00:28
the door on because you didn't want to consider it, but your
1:00:30
front, your face with it. Yeah, okay.
1:00:34
Yeah, yeah. Sometimes you know, you're, you
1:00:37
know, and I think a lot of times to like, when we're in those
1:00:39
positions of asking questions. Most of the time like you say,
1:00:44
you know we know the answer already but maybe we're just
1:00:46
trying to get a get around it or find something that maybe
1:00:50
doesn't make us feel so uncomfortable and sometimes
1:00:53
it's, you know the right answer. The right answer is the truth
1:00:57
and the truth sometimes is it's tough to swallow but you gotta
1:01:02
face the music, you gotta you gotta, you know, deal with the
1:01:07
the the hand that's dealt to you and make the best of it.
1:01:10
It's yeah. So Kris while we while before I
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wrap things up, I am going to ask you to just let everybody
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know where you can be found how they can support you.
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I know you've got the good near god post Facebook page, what
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support you? So, go make up posts on
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At the moment is the only way that people can commissioned
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conversation. Only this position where the
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demand for what I couldn't get create far.
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Outstrips, my capacity to create it and I started out on a
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Sunday. I would just release to
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condition starts in the first two people to grab them, grab
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minimum amount. It just helps me to sort of
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build for the future of it all. It Narrows the kind of pool of
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I put some content on there. A lot of the stuff we talked
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There were patrons get together and share their own, some
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Wow. It's amazing.
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It's it's fantastic. Really to know that I've reached
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It's yeah, it's incredible. Really say, thanks and Stanton.
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That's great. Yeah, so I'm going to, you know,
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make sure everybody knows that. That's where they can follow
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of here, just stand by so that I can fit everybody else to do.
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But it has been a wonderful conversation.
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I've had a really fun time talk with you today, and thank you
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for sharing so much of what you do and you're passing your life
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with not just me but with everybody here, and I hope that
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you've had a good time and sharing those, those those bits
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of information with us. Yeah.
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Thank you. Thanks so much for having me.
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Jesse's been great, really great source of talk to you face to
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face and, you know, to share some of those things.
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It's been brilliant. Sigh.
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Thanks for having me. Yeah, it's been wonderful.
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And I mean, you never know, right?
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Hopefully things happen one day where i'm able to make it across
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the pond and if I'm ever thinking of doing that, I'm
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going to definitely reach out to you.
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And meet actually personally face-to-face.
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I never take anything for granted and say well it'll never
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happen. I mean it's people do this every
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day so I would love to shake your hand.
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Meet you in person, maybe A nail or glad, you know, horn a meat
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or whatever it is that you partake of coffee?
1:04:17
Even doesn't matter. Just yeah, it would be great.
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So hopefully, that happens for us one day.
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Yeah, just Jesse. Yeah.
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