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- 0:00State channel Bellows decided on Tuesday to remove the referendum
- 0:04question to protect girls, sports and spaces from Novembers
- 0:08ballot after previously determining that it could appear
- 0:12following challenges to the legitimate of its signatures.
- 0:16Quote, citizens initiatives are direct democracy.
- 0:20Just as we take voting security seriously, we take petition
- 0:24integrity seriously, said Bellows in a statement provided
- 0:28to the Portland Press Herald. Unfortunately, some out of state
- 0:31circulators failed to meet certain legal requirements for
- 0:34petitions, resulting in this initiative failing to qualify
- 0:37for the ballot after legal review.
- 0:39I am proud of the hard work and dedication that the Secretary of
- 0:41State staff who worked so hard to safeguard our elections for
- 0:46the benefit of every Maine voter.
- 0:48She added Bellow's ruling placed her stamp of approval on an
- 0:52official recommendation that she reject the ballot referendum.
- 0:56Her decision will now return to The Maine Superior Court for
- 1:00approval, where the ballot question committee Maine Girl
- 1:03Dads will have a final chance to keep their initiative on the
- 1:06ballot. The Superior Court will either
- 1:09uphold Bellow's decision, remanded for further
- 1:13consideration, or overturn her decision and place the petition
- 1:17on the ballot. Petitioners will have the
- 1:20opportunity to gather more signatures if the court upholds
- 1:23the decision. That would allow them to
- 1:25potentially put the question on the ballot in 2027, not 2026.
- 1:32After announcing the decision, Bellows gave a press conference
- 1:35where she explained that she believes 2 out of state petition
- 1:38circulators gathering signatures failed to follow Maine law, thus
- 1:42invalidating the signatures that they collected.
- 1:45Bellows refused to take a question from The Maine Wire
- 1:48during the conference, though she took questions from other
- 1:51news outlets. The initiative, officially
- 1:53titled An Act to Designate School Sports Participation in
- 1:56Facilities by Sex, would have allowed Mainers to vote on
- 2:00whether or not they want to bar males from girls sports and
- 2:03private spaces such as bathrooms and locker rooms.
- 2:07Recent polling from Pan Atlantic found that voters would have
- 2:10supported the referendum by a a roughly 10 point margin.
- 2:13In March, Bellows actually had ruled that Maine Girl Dads had
- 2:16submitted 71,033 valid signatures exceeding the
- 2:20required number of 67,682 and that their referendum could
- 2:26appear on the ballot. And to clearly describe this for
- 2:31you, by the way the process and how it works and what you think
- 2:35about all this, here's what the Secretary of State's office
- 2:40basically does when those petition signatures are given to
- 2:45them. It's it's a difficult thing to
- 2:48collect signatures, right? So you give a whole bunch of
- 2:50people who are able to do it and there's got a certain, you know,
- 2:56there's certain rules about who can and why and how and all that
- 2:59stuff. But let's set that, set that
- 3:00aside for a minute and just focus on what they do.
- 3:03They all get these sheets and they walk around and they ask
- 3:06people like you to sign them. So Danny has a sheet, I have a
- 3:10sheet, Jason Taylor has a sheet, you know, any John Smith has a
- 3:14sheet. And they all start running
- 3:16around and asking people to sign stuff.
- 3:18And they sign, you know, basically usually by the town
- 3:23they live in. And they have different sheets
- 3:24for all those. And it's, it's a very complex
- 3:26process. But what happens when Circulator
- 3:29Danny and Circulator Matt are both running around, say, in the
- 3:35town of South Portland, where we happen to be sitting right now?
- 3:39And you know, Monday Danny approached somebody who on
- 3:45Wednesday I approached 2 and we both asked that person to sign.
- 3:49The person doesn't really recognize they can't sign it
- 3:51twice or that they shouldn't or that it's a different petition
- 3:54or whatever. And they signed both of them.
- 3:56Now two pieces of paper have the same name on it.
- 4:00So the Secretary of State's office gets this big pile of
- 4:03signatures and names and they go through them to essentially
- 4:07check it against the voter rolls, to make sure that they
- 4:09are a registered voter of the state and to make sure that
- 4:13there are not duplicates or mistakes or whatever else.
- 4:16That's what they did in March. The Secretary of State,
- 4:20Secretary of State's office went through all these and said,
- 4:23look, after we throw out the duplicates, after we throw out
- 4:25the mistakes, after we throw out the problems, after we throw out
- 4:28all the stuff that we need to throw out, we have 71,033
- 4:33leftover. That's the number.
- 4:35So that was, well, that was 4000 or so above the number that they
- 4:39needed. Then the challenges happen.
- 4:41And that's where this contention has been, has been OK.
- 4:45The people who are opposed to this being on the ballot and are
- 4:49terrified of it being on the ballot, I think there's a,
- 4:52there's an element of the politics of this we have to
- 4:54discuss, which is that the people who are opposed to this,
- 4:58I think are fairly convinced that it would pass.
- 5:02And it would probably pass because it's at this point what
- 5:07people have decided. I mean, in 2023 maybe, you know,
- 5:14maybe early 2024, you could have made a case for people still
- 5:18being confused about this. But 2024-2025 and now in the
- 5:232026, common sense has taken over.
- 5:25I mean, it's very rare that you talk to somebody today about
- 5:28this particular issue and anyone legitimately defends the idea of
- 5:35a trans athlete who happens to have been biologically male and
- 5:40still is, thank you very much, biologically male who is
- 5:44transitioning to be a girl or identifies as a girl or
- 5:47whatever. Very few people that I have met
- 5:50in the past two years think that it is wise, safe, good, smart,
- 5:56or otherwise appropriate for that individual to compete in
- 6:00female sports for a variety of reasons that have nothing to do
- 6:06with discrimination, anti trans bias, or anything else like
- 6:08that. The first and most obvious one
- 6:10is competitive balance. When you have biology, which
- 6:15gives the average male significantly more height,
- 6:18significantly more strength, significantly more speed at on
- 6:22average, then the likelihood of that individual being taller,
- 6:28stronger, faster than most if not all of the females that they
- 6:32would compete against is very high.
- 6:36It might not always be true, but it is an extremely high
- 6:38likelihood. And we've seen that of course
- 6:41play out in track, we've seen that play out in swimming, we've
- 6:44seen that play out in a lot of sports.
- 6:47So that the competitive balance is the first one.
- 6:49Obviously you do not really want to introduce a inherent
- 6:54biological competitive advantage to something whereby you're
- 6:57supposed to be competing on reasonably even terms with with
- 7:02like competitors. That's really what
- 7:05categorization's about anyway. I mean, why do we, why do we
- 7:08even have boys and girls sports? Like why don't we just have
- 7:10sports? When you have a track meet, why
- 7:12don't you just go run and then see where the chips fall?
- 7:16You know you don't because if you did that, no girl would win
- 7:19anything on most sports. I mean, there's some sports
- 7:24where this is less of an issue, but on things where strength,
- 7:27speed and length and everything really matters, which is most
- 7:32sports, most competitive things that you would actually see, it
- 7:37matters. And so you want to ensure that
- 7:39you are, you are categorizing athletes in a way that would
- 7:42allow them to compete fairly against other athletes of type.
- 7:47It's the, it's, you know, we have age groupings too.
- 7:50It's not just about sex, it's about age.
- 7:54I mean, there's a reason why a middle school kid does not
- 7:57compete against high school kids, why they don't play in the
- 8:00same leagues, why they don't play in the same divisions, why
- 8:03the classifications different. It's the same thing.
- 8:05They're just smaller, less physically developed, and they
- 8:08would lose. All right, let's go to the
- 8:10phones. As I promised, Arthur was
- 8:12patient and waited through that break.
- 8:13So let's talk to Arthur. Sir, how are you?
- 8:15Good morning, Matt. Morning.
- 8:17Has Shannon Bellows not stepped made a misstep here?
- 8:23Consider this. Has she made a misstep?
- 8:25You mean? Is that a?
- 8:25Misstep because if if she makes it to the general, there is so
- 8:31many people that are in agreement on this issue does not
- 8:36not affect her people be willing to vote for or any of the
- 8:40Democrat nominees once they get to the general and they're asked
- 8:44about this issue. There are so many people that
- 8:47have feel they've been disenfranchised and this is the
- 8:49third referendum in a row where people have been.
- 8:52We had the power line referendum where people were denied the
- 8:56rights. We have the right ID to vote
- 9:00which people were disenfranchised by the way the
- 9:02way it was worded. And now we have another
- 9:05referendum where people have been denied their rights.
- 9:09Does this not hurt the Democrats?
- 9:11Will it not awaken some people and say, hey, I'm going to vote
- 9:15Republican this time because on this is an important issue to me
- 9:19and these people have have taken away our rights?
- 9:23Well, I suppose the answer to that is it depends, Arthur,
- 9:25because it's not going to be on the ballot.
- 9:27So there won't be that reminder on the ballot that says, hey, by
- 9:30the way, these people didn't care what you think.
- 9:33What's going to matter is whether or not the Republican
- 9:35candidate, whether Rick Bennett, although Rick Bennett's on the
- 9:38other side of this issue. So probably not.
- 9:41But if anybody holds them accountable, like is there any
- 9:43ads run on this? I mean, you know, in the 2024
- 9:46election, Trump's rather famously ran the you know,
- 9:49Kamala is not for you. She's for they them ad and it
- 9:52was quite successful that particular year.
- 9:55Does this candidate this time run something like this against
- 9:58her? It's sitting there waiting to be
- 10:01exploited though is to the point you're making.
- 10:02Are there? Was such a significant
- 10:04population of people that support this referendum and
- 10:10they're not just the people that signed it, but many other
- 10:12people, does this not awaken those people that we are in a
- 10:17liberal experiment? Well, I would be.
- 10:20Progressive Liberal Laboratory I.
- 10:23Would be bewildered if you didn't already know that That's
- 10:26if you're one of these people out there.
- 10:28But yes, they should. But again, I think it comes down
- 10:30to this. One thing is if let's just say
- 10:32the Republican candidate, whoever they are, doesn't really
- 10:34mention it, doesn't make it part of their campaign, doesn't talk
- 10:36about it, that sentiment will exist out there.
- 10:39But like, it's really hard for a voter to put it into action if
- 10:42they're not given marching orders, if there's not a flag to
- 10:45grab and and run up the hill. And I'm worried that it won't be
- 10:50politically exploited to the degree that it can and should
- 10:52be. Right.
- 10:53And even if the even if the candidates on the on the
- 10:56Republican side do use the issue, will it be reported in
- 11:00the liberal news? Media.
- 11:01Yeah, that's, that's a certain no.
- 11:03Of course it won't be. But that doesn't mean it doesn't
- 11:05get out there. I think that the the the power
- 11:08of the liberal media in Maine is basically gone right now.
- 11:11And thanks for the call, Arthur. Appreciate it.
- 11:14So I'm not sure that I care that they don't cover it because
- 11:16nobody reads the Press Herald anyway.
- 11:18No offense if you're a Press Herald reporter.
- 11:20They just don't.