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#1717 From Career To Purpose - Gus Worland · The You Project

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Speaker 1: I'll get a team, your bloody champions. Welcome to another
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Speaker 1: installment of the You Project. It's fatty Harps, it's jumbo,
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Speaker 1: it's ripped in rock hard cook over there at typ
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Speaker 1: Central with biceps like a man. You're allowed to say that,
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Speaker 1: Probably not, I hope. So all right, Gusa's waving is
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Speaker 1: nodding and shaking his head.
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Speaker 2: I would, but plenty of people out there that way.
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Speaker 2: But we all take ourselves a bit too seriously, don't we.
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Speaker 1: I think we do. We'll too freely admit is what's
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Speaker 1: your current percentage of being a man? Thirty percent?
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Speaker 3: Yeah, thirty thirty five some days.
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Speaker 1: Thirty thirty five. Well that's funny because I'm thirty thirty
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Speaker 1: five percent woman. So between the three of us, who
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Speaker 1: knows what the fuck we are? Hi, Gus, welcome to
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Speaker 1: the You Project.
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Speaker 3: Thank you very much.
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Speaker 2: Thank you for having me in episode seventeen hundred, and
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Speaker 2: something eventually got to me.
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Speaker 3: I appreciate it.
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Speaker 1: Well, I mean, you know, bottom of the barrel. But
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Speaker 1: we do what we can. No, that's not true. As
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Speaker 1: I said to you before, I just built up six
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Speaker 1: years of skill and insights so that I would be ready.
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Speaker 1: So today's the day.
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Speaker 3: Okay, that's great. I'm looking forward to chatting to you
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Speaker 3: and thanks for having me.
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Speaker 1: It's a pleasure. You are a big deal. As Melissa
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Speaker 1: said to me, Melissa is both of our bosses. She's
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Speaker 1: tips boss and my boss. She's the actual boss. And
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Speaker 1: she said to me about three hours ago, remember you've
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Speaker 1: got Gus And I'm like, yep. She goes, do you
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Speaker 1: know who Guss is? I go a little bit, she goes,
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Speaker 1: you should do some research. He's a big deal. So
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Speaker 1: do you feel like a big deal?
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Speaker 3: No, not at all.
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Speaker 2: And I love the fact that what I'm doing has
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Speaker 2: got some impact and people tell me that, But no,
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Speaker 2: not at all. There are times where people recognize me
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Speaker 2: and that's nice, but I'd much prefer to just allow
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Speaker 2: myself to get on and do the work. But yeah,
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Speaker 2: I'd be wrong to say that I wasn't a little
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Speaker 2: bit tough. When people come up to you and say
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Speaker 2: you've helped me and stuff, that's a part of it,
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Speaker 2: for sure.
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Speaker 1: When you set out in your media career or when
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Speaker 1: you started doing what you ended up doing. But in
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Speaker 1: the genesis of that, did you have any inkling or
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Speaker 1: idea or intention that you would have the reach and
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Speaker 1: impact that you did and do.
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Speaker 3: I think probably.
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Speaker 2: I was thirty eight before I got my first gig
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Speaker 2: in media, so I'd already had a bit of a life.
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Speaker 2: Three children, eight pregnant, six to have those children. My
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Speaker 2: wife and I've been through a lot, wow. And my
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Speaker 2: wife is English, so she was always away from home,
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Speaker 2: or I was in England and I was away from home,
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Speaker 2: So there was a lot going on in that thirty
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Speaker 2: eight years.
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Speaker 3: And I think that's why it works so well.
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Speaker 2: Initially when I got into medias, because I was actually
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Speaker 2: an adult in adverted commerce and it wasn't the make
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Speaker 2: or break for me, but of course you wanted to
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Speaker 2: be successful when someone gives you an opportunity. And I'm
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Speaker 2: glad as of last Thursday it was sixteen years and
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Speaker 2: I pulled the pin and I'm very happy to be
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Speaker 2: doing the next thing that I'm meant to be doing.
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Speaker 3: But now i'd never thought.
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Speaker 2: I remember Triple M said to me, if this doesn't
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Speaker 2: work this show, we're going to blow the Triple M
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Speaker 2: label up. We're going to keep the frequency, but we're
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Speaker 2: going to call it something else, because this is last
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Speaker 2: Chance Saloon. And I'm happy to say that it worked
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Speaker 2: out really really well, but I never really expected.
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Speaker 3: To have it.
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Speaker 2: But once you realize you've got it, then you've got
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Speaker 2: this soapbox to make a real difference, not just to
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Speaker 2: tell fart jokes and have fun on the radio. You
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Speaker 2: can actually stand up at some point and go, I
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Speaker 2: believe in something, and I wonder if our loyal audience
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Speaker 2: will go with me.
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Speaker 1: So you're saying you're the Triple M Messiah that if
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Speaker 1: not for you? Is that what you're saying? Like you're
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Speaker 1: like the Jesus of the airways.
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Speaker 3: Hallelujah. There's no doubt in my mind that was the
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Speaker 3: co hosts as well as me, and as well as
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Speaker 3: a whole lot of as you know, smart people behind
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Speaker 3: the behind the man behind the microphone.
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Speaker 1: I do have a quick, not that interesting story about
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Speaker 1: your co host, Jude Bolton. Is he still your co host?
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Speaker 3: He was up until last Thursday. My brother jud absolutely.
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Speaker 1: He would not remember me, but I remember him so
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Speaker 1: when he was a fledgling AFL player he had to play.
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Speaker 1: His part of his coming into the system was playing
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Speaker 1: at Port Melbourne in the VFL right, and I was
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Speaker 1: at that stage the strength and conditioning coach for that team.
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Speaker 1: And I saw him run around. I went, this bloke
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Speaker 1: doesn't belong here. He doesn't belong here. He's like fucking
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Speaker 1: way too good. So he ended up, of course, being
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Speaker 1: a superstar. But how do you know, mate, when like
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Speaker 1: sixteen years and it's not like things are going bad
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Speaker 1: for you, Like things are still going great, radio is
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Speaker 1: going great. I assume it seems to me we're in
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Speaker 1: a different state. But I only hear and read great things.
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Speaker 1: Like how do you know when it's time to step
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Speaker 1: away from something? What's happening? Like? Is it emotional? Is
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Speaker 1: it psychological? Is there a light bulb? Is it a
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Speaker 1: gradual thing? Is it a moment in time?
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Speaker 2: I think for me last year, I signed a one
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Speaker 2: year deal. And every time you're in this gig, you
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Speaker 2: want to get the longest deal you possibly can because
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Speaker 2: that gives you security and it gives you Oh, I've
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Speaker 2: got the next two or three years lined up, empty nesters.
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Speaker 2: Now I got you for life. My foundation is going
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Speaker 2: from strength to strength. So I said, I'm going to
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Speaker 2: go for a one year deal and see what happens.
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Speaker 2: And I was always going to do one year that
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Speaker 2: I got a little bit of like, oh god, I'm
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Speaker 2: going to muck this up if I if I don't
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Speaker 2: do another couple of years, I've got a bit scared.
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Speaker 3: And eventually I said, nope, no, I'm doing it.
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Speaker 2: And I was at Rio Tinto in northern Western Australia
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Speaker 2: watching a sunrise one morning because I was up because
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Speaker 2: of the time difference from Sydney, and it was a
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Speaker 2: beautiful orange sky and I was about to go and
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Speaker 2: see these bunch of miners and talk about mental fitness.
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Speaker 3: And I went, I feel alive. I feel this is
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Speaker 3: what I should be doing.
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Speaker 2: And I kept thinking about all the content for the
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Speaker 2: radio show that I had to do the next time
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Speaker 2: I was on it, and I thought, you know what,
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Speaker 2: I got two masters now, and I'm not probably doing
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Speaker 2: justice to either. So at one point he's got to
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Speaker 2: make a call. So I rang the missus and she said,
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Speaker 2: go for it, and so yeah, I got your for
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Speaker 2: life now as my foundation is my full time gig.
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Speaker 2: I'm just back from Perth this morning, where I've been
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Speaker 2: there for the weekend and I love doing that.
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Speaker 3: I'm going to miss the radio. I'm going to miss
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Speaker 3: my team.
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Speaker 2: And it's never say never, right, it's just for the
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Speaker 2: time being that's that's what I've decided.
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Speaker 1: Okay, so tell us about gotcha for life?
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Speaker 3: I lost a maid of mine, a mentor. He took
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Speaker 3: his own life on the day that his third and
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Speaker 3: final child finished their final exams.
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Speaker 1: Wow.
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Speaker 2: And I did nothing about it. For many many years.
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Speaker 2: I had worked with him, he was my mentor, father figure,
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Speaker 2: loved him. It seemed to be type of bloke that
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Speaker 2: we all know that just ticks every box look and bloke,
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Speaker 2: married children, status inside of works, outside of work, had
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Speaker 2: it all and absolutely not just all for six. I
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Speaker 2: did nothing about it for many years, and then eventually
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Speaker 2: I spoke about him on my Brecky radio show, The
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Speaker 2: Team on Triple M and Sydney, and the next ninety
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Speaker 2: minutes people rang up saying me too, I've got a
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Speaker 2: story like that. And it made me realize how many
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Speaker 2: people worry alone and this man up, shut up is
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Speaker 2: not working for us. And then I looked at the
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Speaker 2: stats around suicide and depression and anxiety and I couldn't
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Speaker 2: believe it. So I was able to get some money
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Speaker 2: from the ABC did a show called man Up, which
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Speaker 2: challenged masculinity and why we lose so many blokes to suicide,
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Speaker 2: and then off the back of that, my wife and
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Speaker 2: I literally in this room here at our home started
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Speaker 2: Gotcha for Life, and I just want everyone to find
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Speaker 2: someone who's got you for life. You can have that
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Speaker 2: warts and all conversation with These conversations can change your life,
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Speaker 2: but we don't know how to have them. So we
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Speaker 2: need to learn how to have these conversations of gravity.
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Speaker 2: We're very comfortable in banter because we practiced that. Yes,
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Speaker 2: so this emotional muscle in our melon needs to be worked,
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Speaker 2: and I call it mental fitness rather than mental health.
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Speaker 2: And I want to have a positive conversation around this
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Speaker 2: and get the suicide break down to zero. At the moment,
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Speaker 2: we lose nine ausies a day and we have one
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Speaker 2: attempt every eight minutes.
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Speaker 3: So I don't want to live in Australia like that.
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Speaker 3: So got your flight. We started.
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Speaker 2: We've raised just over twenty million bucks no government funding. Wow,
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Speaker 2: it's all mums and dads five bucks, ten bucks, twenty bucks,
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Speaker 2: and a couple of big corporations who have gone. I
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Speaker 2: love your simple, less clinical way of looking at mental fitness,
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Speaker 2: so we're going to get behind you.
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Speaker 1: That is amazing, mate. Those numbers are bloody incredible. Twenty
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Speaker 1: million dollars. And I know this is not about you,
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Speaker 1: but well done you, I mean that is and I
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Speaker 1: know you're not doing it for accolades or recognition or
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Speaker 1: attention or approval, but fuck, that's amazing. And yeah, I
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Speaker 1: think it is interesting that what you said. It's like,
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Speaker 1: I really I think you said something like a practical approach.
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Speaker 1: It's like, yeah, there's so much especially when it comes
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Speaker 1: to mental health. There's so much research and more research,
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Speaker 1: and let's throw money at research and let's do another
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Speaker 1: fucking study and let's come out with some more findings
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Speaker 1: from this, and we need all of that. But at
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Speaker 1: the same time, give someone a fucking hug, have a chat,
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Speaker 1: have a conversation, ask someone how they feel.
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Speaker 3: And.
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Speaker 1: So why has it been so successful? Like what is
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Speaker 1: it that? Why does it work where so many don't.
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Speaker 2: What you said is right. Clinical is not the way
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Speaker 2: to go. Human is the way to go. And especially
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Speaker 2: when you talk to men, as soon as you talk
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Speaker 2: about mental health, they feel like they're about to be
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Speaker 2: told off. You said, there's something wrong with me, and
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Speaker 2: that's not the case at all. In fact, we've just
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Speaker 2: been taught to man up and shut up and get
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Speaker 2: on with it, and it's just wrong. Every TV ad
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Speaker 2: we see, every movie, TV show, it's.
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Speaker 3: All about the bloke dealing with the stuff and getting
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Speaker 3: on with it. You know.
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Speaker 2: It's like, it's just not what it's like in reality.
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Speaker 2: And it's not just a men's issue. It started off
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Speaker 2: that way.
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Speaker 3: For sure.
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Speaker 2: We lose seven men a day in Australia, we lose
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Speaker 2: two women. Most of the people that are attempted to women.
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Speaker 2: So this is a problem that's a human issue. I
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Speaker 2: did a TED talk in Vancouver the last couple of
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Speaker 2: years and I'm like, every single person is the same,
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Speaker 2: no matter what color, what race, what language you speak.
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Speaker 3: We're all human beings and we need connection and we
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Speaker 3: need to feel confident to stick your hand up and
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Speaker 3: ask for help. And we've been told basically all our
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Speaker 3: lives that that is weak. And if you had a
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Speaker 3: process that led you to what we get, you would
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Speaker 3: change that process in business. So why aren't we changing
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Speaker 3: it in life?
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Speaker 2: I use the World Health Organization numbers when I did
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Speaker 2: my TED talk, nineteen hundred and twenty people a day
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Speaker 2: take their life in forty thousand attempt Now, I don't
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Speaker 2: want to live it in a world like that I've
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Speaker 2: got three children with empty nesters now kid's two in London,
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Speaker 2: one in Canada. I want them to live their life
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Speaker 2: and feel that they can talk to someone warts and
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Speaker 2: all find that village of people around you. See, you're
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Speaker 2: not worrying alone about stuff. So let's keep it as
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Speaker 2: simple as that. To keep it as simple as that,
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Speaker 2: it's not clinical. It's not mental health. It's mental fitness,
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Speaker 2: just like our physical fitness. We can give you exercises
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Speaker 2: to work on it, to get better, and it's not easy,
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Speaker 2: believe me, it's not easy. But start with a simple
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Speaker 2: who are my people? Yes, my village, who's my tribe?
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Speaker 2: Who's my team? And get see them on board with
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Speaker 2: you know what. I'm going to come to you with
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Speaker 2: some stuff because I'm bumbling and fumbling my way through here.
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Speaker 2: I've got some stuff worked out, other stuff not so much.
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Speaker 2: Can you do the same with me? And that way
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Speaker 2: our little village will always look after each other. It
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Speaker 2: seems simple, but it's bloody hard to do to get
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Speaker 2: the words out to ask for that help.
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Speaker 3: They get stuck here.
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Speaker 2: We need to We need to get people to have
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Speaker 2: those conbos.
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Speaker 1: He's not quite passionate enough. Tif is he Yeah, he
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Speaker 1: needs to work on that. It needs to fire up.
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Speaker 1: He needs to find some passion because I'm getting nothing.
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Speaker 1: Make you no, I fucking love it. It's great, it's great.
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Speaker 1: It's like, this is what I love. Like I said
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Speaker 1: to you, and you didn't need me to brief you,
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Speaker 1: but I said everyone before, with most guests, nearly every guest,
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Speaker 1: I say, it's not an interview, it's a conversation. And
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Speaker 1: that's what I love. You know what else is? And
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Speaker 1: this one comes any surprise to you. But speaking of research,
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Speaker 1: there's lots of research out now suggesting that, Like when
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Speaker 1: so my background as an exercise scientist, right, I'll talk
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Speaker 1: about health and wellness and fitness, and you know, talk
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Speaker 1: a lot about lifestyle and sleep and nutrition and exercise
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Speaker 1: and the relationship between that those variables and longevity and
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Speaker 1: health span and immune system. And what we now know
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Speaker 1: is that loneliness and disconnection and mental and emotional devastation
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Speaker 1: are more problematic from a physical health point of view
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Speaker 1: than bad lifestyle behaviors. You know, it's like being lonely,
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Speaker 1: feeling unseen, unloved, unwanted, unvalued. That actually has a real
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Speaker 1: physical consequence in terms of people's predisposition to getting sick
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Speaker 1: and diseased, and even their immune system, as we caned
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Speaker 1: because everything psychologically or mentally we can say emotionally and
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Speaker 1: physiologically is intertwined. And so when you connect with the
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Speaker 1: person inside the body, not the body, but connect with
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Speaker 1: the human you know, then you're actually not ondoing the
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Speaker 1: obvious thing, which is supporting them emotionally and mentally, but
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Speaker 1: also you're literally doing something good for their physical health,
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Speaker 1: which people don't really think about too much.
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Speaker 2: I love the link between the physical fitness and the
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Speaker 2: mental fitness, and that's what I talked to kids about.
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Speaker 2: We saw over two hundred thousand kids last year doing programs,
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Speaker 2: and when you talk about mental fitness, you see them
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Speaker 2: nodding along. Yeah, we've just started to mentally fit primary
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Speaker 2: schools program. We've got four schools, we'll have twenty next year.
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Speaker 2: Kids are nodding along, they get it, and then they
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Speaker 2: start making a little song up where they can do
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Speaker 2: their muscles like that around mental fitness, and it just
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Speaker 2: connects people. And I think we're going to learn from
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Speaker 2: the youngsters. The oldies will learn from the youngsters with this,
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Speaker 2: because there's so much better than we were And I
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Speaker 2: love the thought of that. I love the thought of
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Speaker 2: mental fitness being a subject at school.
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Speaker 3: So many subjects that are there because they've always been there,
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Speaker 3: because that's what we do.
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Speaker 2: We tick a box to get to the end, to
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Speaker 2: get us a mark, to get us into an exam,
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Speaker 2: or get us into a unicorse, or get us into whatever.
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Speaker 2: Let's start having some practical subjects that actually help the
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Speaker 2: boys and girls, the men and the women. You know,
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Speaker 2: That's what drives me nuts, is that I feel like
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Speaker 2: it's an approach that we can deal with and we're
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Speaker 2: just not doing it enough.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I completely agree. My PhD research is around, loosely
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Speaker 1: around understanding others, you know, understanding. So there's a thing
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Speaker 1: in psychology called theory of mind, which just means your ability,
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Speaker 1: my ability to be able to understand someone else's version
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Speaker 1: of reality, essentially their psychological and or emotional version of
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Speaker 1: right now, not necessarily agree with it or align with it,
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Speaker 1: but understand it. And you know, I think Stephen Covey
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Speaker 1: and a bunch of others said, seek first to understand
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Speaker 1: and then to be understood, Right, is it like when
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Speaker 1: I can understand you, like I work with ADDX and alcoholics,
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Speaker 1: many of them over the years. And I've never had
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Speaker 1: booze and I've never had drugs. But because I've spent
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Speaker 1: so much time with people struggling with addiction, I understand them,
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Speaker 1: I love them, and I don't need to drink or
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Speaker 1: use to be able to connect because I you know.
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Speaker 1: And that's that. If you just come from that place
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Speaker 1: of not trying to judge, not trying to evaluate, not
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Speaker 1: trying to label, but just understand, knowing that you won't
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Speaker 1: align on everything with people, it just opens a door
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Speaker 1: and it opens this conduit for connection. And when people
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Speaker 1: feel seen and loved, even though they might not live
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Speaker 1: the values you live or the lifestyle you live, like,
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Speaker 1: that creates something special that, as you said, in all
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Speaker 1: the clinical stuff doesn't really happen.
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Speaker 2: I mean curiosity to go on top of what you
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Speaker 2: just did there, which of course I agree with, and
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Speaker 2: I tip my lid to you for working in that
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Speaker 2: area curiosity. As soon as I started becoming curious rather
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Speaker 2: than oh no, that's not the way it is. It's
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Speaker 2: like I lived in this bubble for years, you know,
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Speaker 2: me losing my friend and going on this journey and
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Speaker 2: starting the man Up program and having enough guts to
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Speaker 2: talk about it on radio and to realize how many
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Speaker 2: other people worry alone.
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Speaker 3: This whole journey.
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Speaker 2: Now I'm curious to find out why people are doing
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Speaker 2: certain things, or why they feel a certain way, or
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Speaker 2: why they say a certain way. Where As before I
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Speaker 2: lived in this bubble where I was very judgmental and
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Speaker 2: my parenting was old school, because that's what I've learned
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Speaker 2: from my mum and dad. So yeah, that opening it
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Speaker 2: up to curiosity is well. I think made my life
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Speaker 2: so much better and has given me an opportunity I
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Speaker 2: think to understand and work better with people, which will
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Speaker 2: allow me to make gotcha more successful?
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Speaker 1: Isn't it interesting? Mate? When you grow up in a
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Speaker 1: certain paradigm or a certain kind of culture or collective mindset,
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Speaker 1: which we all do, right, We've all got parents, We
17:05
Speaker 1: all grew up in a particular social group or cultural
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Speaker 1: or religious or whatever, and essentially your worldview is their worldview.
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Speaker 1: You know, by the time you're twenty, you think and
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Speaker 1: believe essentially what your parents thought and believed. Because we
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Speaker 1: for the most part, we don't choose our beliefs. They
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Speaker 1: just become our beliefs, you know, almost like by cognitive osmosis.
17:28
Speaker 1: We just absorbed them, right. But then you get to
17:31
Speaker 1: the point where I'm listening to a really interesting book.
17:34
Speaker 3: At the moment.
17:35
Speaker 1: Do you know what's his name? Is it? Tom Tilley?
17:39
Speaker 3: Yeah? I know Tom. Yeah, he's a media guy. You're talking.
17:42
Speaker 1: Yeah, So he wrote a book called Speaking in Tongues
17:46
Speaker 1: and it's really interesting about him growing up in this
17:49
Speaker 1: very strict Pentecostal you know, not Pentecostal, but very Orthodox
17:55
Speaker 1: you know church with anyway, the whole thing, which is
17:59
Speaker 1: not totally dissimis and not dissimilar to my story. So
18:02
Speaker 1: I'm fascinated with it. But just this idea of what
18:06
Speaker 1: do I know or what do I think, or what
18:08
Speaker 1: do I believe that that hasn't been programmed into me?
18:13
Speaker 1: Like what if you can overcome? Like what where does
18:17
Speaker 1: my programming and finish finish? And where do I start?
18:21
Speaker 1: You know? Then you know that I feel like you
18:24
Speaker 1: start to think for yourself and look at the world
18:27
Speaker 1: through a different lens, one other than the one that's
18:30
Speaker 1: been created for you.
18:32
Speaker 3: Yeah. That's a really good point, really good point.
18:35
Speaker 2: I think personally, certainly in that first twenty odd years
18:38
Speaker 2: or so, I was one of those kids. My dad
18:40
Speaker 2: left the family home. When I was quite young, I
18:42
Speaker 2: realized and that he left my mum for a man.
18:45
Speaker 2: I didn't work that out until I was in my
18:47
Speaker 2: late teens. I was just jump into the box, right,
18:51
Speaker 2: I'm safe in the box. I will get my minute
18:53
Speaker 2: certificate at the end of term, I will make the team.
18:56
Speaker 3: If I go to practice, I will do all that stuff.
18:59
Speaker 2: And it's probably from my early twenties where I started
19:02
Speaker 2: to try to work stuff out for myself and got
19:05
Speaker 2: a bit more curious, and then certainly from forty five
19:08
Speaker 2: and I'm fifty six in December.
19:10
Speaker 3: The last ten years, this journey I've been on, I've
19:13
Speaker 3: certainly stripped back a lot of the stuff, but I
19:15
Speaker 3: think was just put into me.
19:17
Speaker 2: And I've actually now got to the point where i
19:20
Speaker 2: can teach my children what I've gone through, and I'm
19:23
Speaker 2: very open for them to have a different opinion. I
19:26
Speaker 2: suppose that's something that didn't happen in our generation, when
19:29
Speaker 2: we were more just sort of sheepish.
19:32
Speaker 1: Well, I'm only thirty two, so I don't know what
19:33
Speaker 1: you're talking about. But okay, sure you know I've done
19:38
Speaker 1: it hard, bro I've done a lot of trauma.
19:42
Speaker 2: Must be something wrong with this zoom it's really quite working.
19:46
Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, Tip's only twenty one, she's at a shocker.
19:50
Speaker 3: So that's very involved.
19:51
Speaker 1: All right, all right, I think we're both throwing me
19:54
Speaker 1: under the bus, and I fucking love it. So tell
19:59
Speaker 1: me one thing in this whole kind of journey of
20:01
Speaker 1: doing new things and learning new things and unlearning old things,
20:06
Speaker 1: what's something you needed to unlearn to build what you've built?
20:12
Speaker 3: Yeah?
20:13
Speaker 2: Well, certainly the most important thing that I talk about
20:17
Speaker 2: all the time is don't worry alone. And there's so
20:20
Speaker 2: many men and women, boys and girls that I talk
20:22
Speaker 2: to that worry alone all the time, and they don't
20:27
Speaker 2: quite know how to not worry alone about it. It's
20:31
Speaker 2: so embedded in their gut that they've pushed it down
20:34
Speaker 2: so much it's got to the point where they don't
20:36
Speaker 2: know how to actually communicate that to someone that they
20:39
Speaker 2: need their help, and also they don't feel they've got
20:42
Speaker 2: permission to ask for the help. So breaking that particular
20:46
Speaker 2: thing down will be a huge part of building mental fitness,
20:49
Speaker 2: I believe. And there's been moments where I've bumbled and
20:53
Speaker 2: fumbled and with not running out of my nose and
20:55
Speaker 2: tears running out of my eyes actually got something out
20:58
Speaker 2: to a group of mates, and they've just all stopped
21:01
Speaker 2: and gone, mate, I.
21:02
Speaker 3: Had no idea.
21:03
Speaker 2: I thought you were flying, or I thought you had
21:05
Speaker 2: that part of your life dealt with. We know you've
21:07
Speaker 2: always working on stuff, but we really thought that wasn't
21:10
Speaker 2: an issue for you. And then, of course the first
21:13
Speaker 2: sentence I get out is the hardest, and everything else
21:16
Speaker 2: then becomes easier, especially when you've got people around you
21:19
Speaker 2: that you love. I've spent so much time in my
21:22
Speaker 2: life building this village of mates that I can have
21:25
Speaker 2: these warts and all conversations with and there's no judgment,
21:28
Speaker 2: and they all don't agree with me, they all throw
21:31
Speaker 2: up different curve balls at me, but the conversation is
21:34
Speaker 2: real and it's with love and that sort of stuff,
21:37
Speaker 2: and that's what I believe we need.
21:38
Speaker 3: We talk in the time all the time around Australia.
21:40
Speaker 3: We've got all these mates, mates, mates, mates.
21:43
Speaker 2: Well, we've got people we drink with, we've got people
21:45
Speaker 2: we go to the footy with, we go people we
21:47
Speaker 2: party with. But how many people do we actually have
21:50
Speaker 2: in our lives that you can actually go I need
21:54
Speaker 2: your help over here, and having those real conversations, and
21:58
Speaker 2: it's not because we don't necessarily want to that we
22:00
Speaker 2: don't know how to do it.
22:01
Speaker 3: Are you okay? You came up with the slogan, and
22:04
Speaker 3: I love are you Okay? Don't get me wrong. I
22:06
Speaker 3: work with them a lot around their time of year,
22:08
Speaker 3: and it says a conversation can save a life. Absolutely
22:12
Speaker 3: it can. But how do you have the conversation? How
22:15
Speaker 3: do you start the conversation?
22:16
Speaker 2: That's what got your life is trying to do, and
22:20
Speaker 2: that's what I'm very, very proud of. But to answer
22:23
Speaker 2: that's a long way of answering that question, I suppose,
22:26
Speaker 2: But really it's getting vulnerable and leading with vulnerability rather
22:29
Speaker 2: than thinking, oh no, I'm not going to do that
22:31
Speaker 2: because that's traditionally not the way to do it. Nah,
22:34
Speaker 2: that's not for me, and that's not for the world
22:36
Speaker 2: I'm trying to help change.
22:39
Speaker 1: Yeah, I love it. I think something that people find
22:42
Speaker 1: interesting about people like you, And I could be wrong,
22:47
Speaker 1: but myself, I do a lot of corporate speaking. I'm
22:50
Speaker 1: in front of audiences more than a hundred times a year,
22:53
Speaker 1: so I'm in front of groups, big groups, little groups,
22:56
Speaker 1: And when I tell people that I'm insecure or I'm
23:00
Speaker 1: an overthinker, or I've got self doubt, or I can
23:04
Speaker 1: self sabotage, or you know, like people think because people
23:09
Speaker 1: like you and I paps are articulate and we can
23:11
Speaker 1: string a few words together and we can do what
23:13
Speaker 1: we do with some sense of competence and confidence that
23:18
Speaker 1: you don't have any doubt or any fear or I'm like, no,
23:22
Speaker 1: I'm just as insecure as ever. I'm just fucking great
23:27
Speaker 1: at I can string a few words together. It doesn't
23:30
Speaker 1: mean that there's no self doubt or self loathing or
23:32
Speaker 1: imposter syndrome. That shit, shit happens all the time. But
23:36
Speaker 1: for me, it's been able to co manage, you know,
23:40
Speaker 1: the emotional stuff which is fear based, with also the data,
23:44
Speaker 1: the knowledge that well, Craig, you can do this because
23:47
Speaker 1: you've done it before and you're not the best, but
23:49
Speaker 1: you're not terrible.
23:50
Speaker 3: Right.
23:51
Speaker 1: So it's like, because I think some people think, oh,
23:55
Speaker 1: if people knew what went on in my head, ah,
23:58
Speaker 1: people would think I was this or that, But that's
24:00
Speaker 1: essentially all of us.
24:02
Speaker 2: Yeah, I had it coming on to your show today.
24:05
Speaker 2: So a little bit of research that my team did
24:07
Speaker 2: with you is that it's a top rated science podcast, right,
24:11
Speaker 2: and that whole word science is like, oh god, I
24:14
Speaker 2: haven't done that since I've been at school, and throw
24:17
Speaker 2: all these curples at me that I won't be able
24:19
Speaker 2: to explain in the way that I like to explain it,
24:21
Speaker 2: and will his podcast listeners, his loyal listeners not like
24:27
Speaker 2: the fact that I'm not sort of clinical or scientist
24:29
Speaker 2: in that sort of way. So that was one thing
24:31
Speaker 2: I had this morning. Also at the moment, A gotcha
24:35
Speaker 2: for life. We're building a team of speakers that can
24:37
Speaker 2: go out and chat. They're more facilitators because it's back
24:40
Speaker 2: and forth. But the best thing I ever did was
24:43
Speaker 2: actually say to them how scared I get. And it's
24:46
Speaker 2: true scared when I get up in front of people,
24:50
Speaker 2: or the thought of getting up in people. The actual
24:53
Speaker 2: getting up doesn't seem to be that bad in the end.
24:55
Speaker 2: I remember getting up in front of a big crowd
24:57
Speaker 2: once and I was petrified all the way there, you know,
25:01
Speaker 2: had a little bit of road rage on the way
25:03
Speaker 2: there because I wasn't.
25:03
Speaker 3: Thinking clearly and all that.
25:05
Speaker 2: And then I got to the place and I walked
25:06
Speaker 2: up and I shook the hand of the organizer and
25:09
Speaker 2: she said, good ah, I can't wait to hear you speaking.
25:11
Speaker 2: Everything just flowed and I'm like, why do I put
25:14
Speaker 2: myself through all this mental trauma? We know you can
25:18
Speaker 2: do it, You've done it before. And talk about imposter syndrome.
25:22
Speaker 2: There's people that I know that are super famous who
25:25
Speaker 2: go through exactly the same thing, Like when is this
25:28
Speaker 2: ride going to finish?
25:30
Speaker 3: When someone going to just push me.
25:31
Speaker 2: Off the board and go, Okay, you've had your fun,
25:33
Speaker 2: but we've actually worked out that you're not very good
25:35
Speaker 2: at this.
25:36
Speaker 3: It's just that's just the way it is.
25:39
Speaker 2: And I think if we can conquer that emotion that
25:42
Speaker 2: we put ourselves through before we actually do it, you'd
25:46
Speaker 2: be a billionaire if you could bottle that.
25:49
Speaker 1: And I think it's also it's okay to go I'm scared,
25:53
Speaker 1: and that's all right. I feel like a fraud, and
25:56
Speaker 1: that's all right. I don't like if I sit at
25:59
Speaker 1: home and until I feel fucking good enough, I'm never
26:02
Speaker 1: doing any I'm never leaving the house.
26:04
Speaker 3: I couldn't agree with you more.
26:05
Speaker 2: And when I told that group of got to fight
26:08
Speaker 2: guys and girls that we're building at the moment, that's
26:12
Speaker 2: the one thing they remembered from like an hour's chat.
26:14
Speaker 3: Was like, get you get scared.
26:18
Speaker 2: You're worried about what you're going to do, and I'm
26:20
Speaker 2: like absolutely, and they went, well, thank god for that,
26:22
Speaker 2: because I feel the same way, which is that we
26:25
Speaker 2: can then work on it and it'll be okay. It's
26:27
Speaker 2: that leading with vulnerability piece that I keep going back to.
26:31
Speaker 1: So funny that your team told you it's high rating
26:33
Speaker 1: sign show and I'm about as sophisticated as a fucking moccasin,
26:36
Speaker 1: So that's it's it's funny.
26:42
Speaker 2: It's funny you should say that, because when we had
26:44
Speaker 2: the chat with Fifth before we all started, I soon
26:47
Speaker 2: realized that all those worries I had, I shouldn't have
26:50
Speaker 2: worried about.
26:51
Speaker 1: One hundred percent. So I feel like this could be wrong.
26:55
Speaker 1: But just looking from from the outside looking in, I
26:57
Speaker 1: feel like you're moving away, sort of moving away from
27:02
Speaker 1: career and moving into purpose.
27:05
Speaker 2: Yeah, purpose is key for me. I felt like I've
27:09
Speaker 2: moved there. But as I said earlier, I've had two
27:11
Speaker 2: masters for too long. And you can't have a top
27:16
Speaker 2: rated drive show and not be one hundred percent at
27:19
Speaker 2: the races, and you can't be running a small foundation
27:23
Speaker 2: that's trying to play with the big guns. Yeah, without
27:27
Speaker 2: your full attention. But the purpose part of me really
27:31
Speaker 2: started when I said yes to the Man Up program,
27:35
Speaker 2: because that was the next step from me just talking
27:38
Speaker 2: to my very company radio audience sitting in my studio.
27:42
Speaker 2: All of a sudden, I was out there asking questions
27:45
Speaker 2: of Ossie's and not knowing what the answers would be.
27:49
Speaker 2: And that's when I realized that this is not just
27:52
Speaker 2: a job, This is not just hosting a TV show.
27:54
Speaker 3: This this is the real deal.
27:56
Speaker 2: And now eight years on from that, I'm so pleased
27:59
Speaker 2: that I had the gun to keep going for it.
28:02
Speaker 2: You know, and your work in suicide prevention. I don't
28:05
Speaker 2: think there's a more important conversation to be had. So
28:08
Speaker 2: that's that purpose comes to you real quick.
28:12
Speaker 1: Within the context of the charity. It's charity, right, do
28:16
Speaker 1: I call it that?
28:16
Speaker 3: Yeah? Foundation? Charity?
28:18
Speaker 1: Foundation? Do you have? KPIs like in a business like
28:23
Speaker 1: do you have do you say this is where we
28:25
Speaker 1: I don't know the particular outcomes that you want to
28:28
Speaker 1: did it? Just put on the Doris Day filter.
28:30
Speaker 3: Tip, I think so, I don't know what's going on there.
28:34
Speaker 2: So it's coming back is that maybe it's bloody hot
28:35
Speaker 2: and Sydney at the moment, so it might be just
28:37
Speaker 2: a bit hot.
28:39
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, Like do you kind of run it in
28:42
Speaker 1: a way like a business, not in terms of trying
28:45
Speaker 1: to make dough for yourself, but in terms of the
28:47
Speaker 1: way that it runs.
28:48
Speaker 2: Definitely, Like I reckon the first few years, it was
28:51
Speaker 2: all about whatever money comes in, money's got to go
28:53
Speaker 2: out straight out to the people that we're that we
28:56
Speaker 2: have trusted to put the work in. And then there
29:00
Speaker 2: was a shift a couple of years ago where we
29:02
Speaker 2: have to actually build the foundation to make sure that
29:04
Speaker 2: we have the right foundations in the foundation. That's a
29:07
Speaker 2: lot of foundations to make sure that we're around for
29:12
Speaker 2: the next whatever.
29:14
Speaker 3: And it's not just going to be me and my wife,
29:16
Speaker 3: it's going to be the next lot of people and
29:17
Speaker 3: so forth.
29:18
Speaker 2: So there's a lot that goes into that, and there's
29:21
Speaker 2: a lot of feeling of like, oh, I want to
29:22
Speaker 2: give every cent away, Well, I'll do much better work
29:25
Speaker 2: in five years time if I put some good people
29:28
Speaker 2: in there with me now working with it. So that's
29:30
Speaker 2: the dilemma that you have. As long as you are
29:33
Speaker 2: giving most of the money away more than most, then
29:37
Speaker 2: I'm fine with it. It's the way of making sure
29:41
Speaker 2: that you are bigger in the future to make even
29:43
Speaker 2: more of an impact.
29:45
Speaker 1: I reckon if you're building you know, you're building a
29:49
Speaker 1: charity or a foundation, or a business or a program,
29:52
Speaker 1: or you're writing a book or you're trying to get
29:55
Speaker 1: a podcast off the ground or whatever. It is, like
29:57
Speaker 1: you're taking a theoretical something in your head and turning
30:02
Speaker 1: it into a real thing in the world that people
30:04
Speaker 1: can interact with. Yeah, like, there are similar there. There's
30:09
Speaker 1: you know, like before the You Project which goes okay,
30:11
Speaker 1: I had three other shows that didn't you know, and
30:14
Speaker 1: trying to and even for this the first six hundred episodes,
30:18
Speaker 1: I was losing money and so trying to figure out
30:20
Speaker 1: how do I do a good thing and not go broke?
30:24
Speaker 1: How do I how do I have something that's commercially
30:26
Speaker 1: viable but also people like it's good to listen to.
30:30
Speaker 1: It's a bit of fun. There's some good information and inspiration,
30:33
Speaker 1: but it's not but you know that whole kind of
30:36
Speaker 1: what did you get wrong? Like what did you without
30:39
Speaker 1: throwing you or anyone under the bus, what did you
30:42
Speaker 1: fuck up? And what did you think? Why did I
30:44
Speaker 1: think that would work.
30:46
Speaker 2: Yeah, I suppose when you're like I've always been a
30:50
Speaker 2: one start before you're ready, because if you, like you
30:52
Speaker 2: said before, if you waited at your home, you'd never
30:55
Speaker 2: get out. You never do anything right. So you just
30:57
Speaker 2: have a crack get out there. And that's when the
30:59
Speaker 2: mistakes made. Having people that you know that our mate's
31:03
Speaker 2: involved initially as the board members or as advisors, that
31:09
Speaker 2: type of stuff. That's not the way it is now
31:12
Speaker 2: for me. If you look at my board now, there
31:14
Speaker 2: are a bunch of people that have got particular skills
31:17
Speaker 2: that they may not be the greatest mates, but they're
31:20
Speaker 2: absolutely committed to gotcha for life and so forth. So
31:22
Speaker 2: that is one thing that I did, absolutely realizing that
31:26
Speaker 2: we have to go younger, like we've been targeting fourteen, fifteen, sixteen,
31:30
Speaker 2: seventeen year olds, which is absolutely required, but we really
31:33
Speaker 2: got to get into primary school. So we've just started
31:35
Speaker 2: that mentally fit primary school situation. So there's just learnings
31:39
Speaker 2: as you go along. So I don't call them fuck
31:41
Speaker 2: ups as much as oh gave that a crack. That
31:45
Speaker 2: worked for a lot of it, but not absolutely where
31:47
Speaker 2: we need to go now. And of course you haven't
31:50
Speaker 2: got all the money in the world, right, you're literally
31:52
Speaker 2: always out like Oliver, so it's like more please. So
31:55
Speaker 2: whatever I can get with that, I've got to put
31:57
Speaker 2: into something, which means you've got to drop a few
31:59
Speaker 2: things and focus on others. But I wouldn't all the
32:02
Speaker 2: mistakes as much as just learnings along the way. And
32:06
Speaker 2: if you're not doing that, then you're probably not having
32:08
Speaker 2: enough of a crack. Like That's the other thing that
32:10
Speaker 2: I have to keep talking to people about is that
32:12
Speaker 2: we're trying to literally change the world here. Every single nation,
32:16
Speaker 2: every single culture basically has.
32:19
Speaker 3: This not when it comes to being vulnerable.
32:21
Speaker 2: Yes, we have to try to change that and where
32:23
Speaker 2: it's a little foundation in Australia. So how we're going
32:27
Speaker 2: to do that? Well, I get on the Ted stage.
32:29
Speaker 2: That's good because millions of people watch that. That's bloody great.
32:32
Speaker 2: What else can I do? I got invited to talk
32:34
Speaker 2: to the un Well, I'm going to do that. That'll
32:36
Speaker 2: be bloody great because a few people watch that. Being
32:39
Speaker 2: authentic and real along this journey. But picking the moments
32:43
Speaker 2: to really have a crack when you've got a chance,
32:45
Speaker 2: and then hopefully not having imposter syndrome and stuffing it up,
32:49
Speaker 2: you know, hoping you have your best day when you
32:51
Speaker 2: have those moments gifted to you.
32:55
Speaker 1: Now, I had a squizze at your your podcast. I
32:58
Speaker 1: had to listen, and I don't want to be disparaging,
33:01
Speaker 1: but I feel like it's just an excuse for you
33:04
Speaker 1: to hang out with your friends. I feel like it's
33:07
Speaker 1: a bit of bullshit because it's just you and your
33:09
Speaker 1: famous fucking friends hanging out. And I'm very jealous TIV.
33:14
Speaker 1: So you know that you're a big deal when your
33:16
Speaker 1: first guest is one of the biggest movie stars in
33:20
Speaker 1: the world, right, Well, that's just not fucking fair. That's
33:23
Speaker 1: like being on Oh I've got a podcast. Also, I'm
33:26
Speaker 1: on steroids.
33:27
Speaker 2: I mean, it was fun to have jack O obviously
33:31
Speaker 2: on the first one, but we've been best mates since
33:34
Speaker 2: kindergarten and we went to pinball public together. Then we
33:37
Speaker 2: left there and the fourth grade and went to the
33:40
Speaker 2: last two years of a prep school, then a senior school.
33:42
Speaker 2: Then we did our gap year, you know, in each
33:45
Speaker 2: other's wedding parties, godfathers to each other's firstborn. So yeah,
33:49
Speaker 2: we've I mean, Hugh Jackman obviously would be well known
33:53
Speaker 2: to your listeners, but to me He's just literally Jacko
33:57
Speaker 2: and someone who I call a brother of another mother,
34:00
Speaker 2: and it was important to hit the podcast world with
34:05
Speaker 2: a bit of a sledghammer and it was nice to
34:07
Speaker 2: have him. But to be honest with you, I've enjoyed
34:10
Speaker 2: every single one of those conversations and the fact that
34:13
Speaker 2: Shaw and Partners who support me, they give ten thousand
34:17
Speaker 2: dollars to any guest, and that guest has to.
34:20
Speaker 3: Give it to a charity.
34:21
Speaker 2: I mean, I don't think there's another podcast in the
34:23
Speaker 2: world that has that type of thing. So of course
34:26
Speaker 2: it makes people go, well, how can I possibly say
34:28
Speaker 2: no to a forty minute conversation where I can give
34:31
Speaker 2: ten thousand dollars to a cause I love.
34:33
Speaker 3: So I'm in a very lucky situation, Craig.
34:36
Speaker 2: So don't don't think that I don't.
34:38
Speaker 1: Know that, mate, I'm fucking with you. I listened to
34:41
Speaker 1: a couple and it's really good and we've had a
34:43
Speaker 1: few common guests. One of my favorite guests in seventeen
34:48
Speaker 1: hundred plus was Charlie Teo, and I see you had
34:51
Speaker 1: him on as well.
34:52
Speaker 3: Yeah, he's absolute lunatic, but.
34:55
Speaker 1: He's crazy, but he's operational crazy.
34:57
Speaker 2: Man If I had something wrong with someone that I
35:00
Speaker 2: loved or myself, I know I'd be calling.
35:03
Speaker 1: So just quickly everyone that the show is called Not
35:05
Speaker 1: an Overnight Success will wind up mate. But of course
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Speaker 1: success is different things to different people, and it's not
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Speaker 1: always a thing. Sometimes it's a combination of things. But
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Speaker 1: from the host of Not an Overnight Success, what is
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Speaker 1: success for you?
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Speaker 2: That's a really good question. It's never linear, that's for sure,
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Speaker 2: and that's probably what my podcast is about.
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Speaker 3: You know.
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Speaker 2: It's like, very rarely do you go from A to B.
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Speaker 2: There's always rabbit holes and sniper shots from left, right
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Speaker 2: and center. But the people that tend to succeed are
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Speaker 2: the ones that never ever give up. So that has
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Speaker 2: been a big part of what I'm trying to do
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Speaker 2: in my life, never giving up of the dream.
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Speaker 3: Of zero suicides.
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Speaker 2: And I know that I've said that out loud plenty
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Speaker 2: of times and I get how down for it. But
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Speaker 2: one's too many, right, So one's too many, then it's
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Speaker 2: got to be zero, and I've got to be working
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Speaker 2: towards that.
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Speaker 3: So test for me is a lot of things.
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Speaker 2: I would like to think if you interviewed my three
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Speaker 2: kids that they would say I wouldn't want anyone else
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Speaker 2: to be my dad.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, and that is true success. Whether you get the
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Speaker 3: same answer from my wife of thirty years, whether she'd say, oh,
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Speaker 3: like I saw of think the other day, if the
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Speaker 3: person that you're sleeping with is not the most annoying
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Speaker 3: person in your life and you haven't got the right
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Speaker 3: one right.
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Speaker 2: So that made me feel really good because I'm like,
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Speaker 2: I'm sure that I'm that for my wife.
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Speaker 3: So there's a whole lot of things. I love being
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Speaker 3: my dad, I love being a good hubby.
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Speaker 2: As you can tell, I can't imagine a world continuing
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Speaker 2: with these suicide rates. So I'm going to do whatever
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Speaker 2: I can to fix that or to help with that,
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Speaker 2: and that would be success. But I've got a lot
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Speaker 2: of personal stuff that I always want to be working on,
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Speaker 2: and that'll keep me busy.
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Speaker 1: Truly. You are an inspiration and such a good bloke
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Speaker 1: and it's a pleasure for us and an honor for
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Speaker 1: us to chat with you on our humble little show
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Speaker 1: where Hugh Jackman is never fucking coming near this show,
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Speaker 1: but we appreciate. We'll say goodbye a fair but mate,
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Speaker 1: really appreciate you for having a chat on the You project.
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Speaker 3: My pleasure see you, Tiff, Thanks Greg.
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Speaker 1: Thank you all right everyone, I've jumped back in, sorry
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Speaker 1: about that. We were going to say goodbye, and then
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Speaker 1: I realized that i'd selfishly I was thinking about my
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Speaker 1: chicken sandwich, and I'd thrown Gus out the door before
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Speaker 1: I could let him share with you how you can
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Speaker 1: connect with him and find out what he's doing. So, mate,
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Speaker 1: I apologize for that, But what would you like to
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Speaker 1: share with our team?
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Speaker 2: You don't need to apologize at all, mate, I was
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Speaker 2: enjoying the chat. I forgot about it too. So I
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Speaker 2: mean in terms of got your for life, it's got
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Speaker 2: your for life dot org. We've got a mentally fit
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Speaker 2: Jim so Mentalfitnessjim dot org, which is free. You can
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Speaker 2: just click on there and or give you a little
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Speaker 2: mental fitness tips and stuff. And I've also got a
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Speaker 2: book coming out called Boys Do Cry.
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Speaker 3: And it's about a little boy.
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Speaker 2: It's sort of set for sort of three, four, five,
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Speaker 2: six seven year olds, but I'm hoping the parents or
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Speaker 2: the cares might get a little tip along the way.
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Speaker 3: It starts with.
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Speaker 2: A little boy who goes to school and a space
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Speaker 2: and a space chef lends on his toe, which is
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Speaker 2: not a great start to your day, and then his
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Speaker 2: day doesn't get any better, and it goes through a
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Speaker 2: bit of a process until eventually he realizes, if I
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Speaker 2: just show my emotions, my life might get a little better,
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Speaker 2: or my day might get a little better.
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Speaker 3: So it's only twelve bucks.
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Speaker 2: You can pre order it anywhere, and I'm very proud
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Speaker 2: of that that comes out in February, so there might
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Speaker 2: be something for any of your listeners that have got
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Speaker 2: younger kids. It's called Boys Do Cry, So yeah, any
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Speaker 2: help would be great. Every single cent of that book
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Speaker 2: will go straight to Gotcha for Life, so you'll be
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Speaker 2: sort of helping a good cause.
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Speaker 1: Mate. We appreciate you, and for the second time, thanks
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Speaker 1: for Ben on the You Project.