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L.E. Sells: Dark Romantasy & Vampire Romance · Two Girls, One TBR

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  Hey book babes, welcome back to 2 girls, 1 TBR, your chaotic
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  book besties here to wreck your reading list. 1 morally Gray man
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  at a time. I'm Rebecca and you can find me
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  over on Instagram at Esrella Reads.
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  And this is my lovely Co host Chelsea.
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  You can find me on Instagram at Chelsea and Chapters.
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  reviews. All of that helps the chaos to
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  continue. So what have you been up to?
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  Oh goodness, work is killing me. I'm exhausted but other than
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  that summer started for the kids so that's nice.
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  Things will hopefully slow down a little bit.
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  I'm down to 1 box that I need to unpack in the new house.
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  Wow. So feeling pretty good, yeah.
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  We're almost like settled. And then life can begin,
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  hopefully. How many, how many boxes do you
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  think you had that you had got? I mean, we had at least we, I
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  want to say we at least had like 40 maybe.
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  And some of them are like still the, the good thing was some of
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  them were able to just go straight into the garage and
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  then we have a shed in the back. And so we were able to throw
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  those in. But it's like the stuff, we just
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  have a lot of crap that has built up over the years.
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  So it's like going through me and like, OK, we can throw this
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  away or OK, we need to save this, you know?
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  You don't realize how much stuff you accumulate when you're in a,
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  you know, you're just living until you have to pack it up and
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  move. I know when we moved several
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  years ago to our house we have now, I know I bought 60 some, I
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  think 62, something like that of the medium sized moving boxes
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  and they were full and we brought them all in.
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  And now my husband. OCD man, he unpacked our entire
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  house within three days. Wow, that's amazing.
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  Oh, yeah. He had it completely unpacked
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  now. There were like boxes and things
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  like that that went into our shed.
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  And then he immediately ordered the plastic tubs so that we
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  because he didn't like Harvard. So with anything that I was not
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  moving into the house, that was going to have to stay out there,
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  he did that so we could be more organized.
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  And then I got had to get rid of all those cardboard boxes and
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  that's a pain in the ass to try to get rid of all that stuff.
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  Yeah, I think if it were up to my husband to do do it, we would
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  have been done already. But I am very particular about
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  all my craft stuff, so. And I have so much junk that way
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  too that I like, oh, I need to save this for a future project
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  or this for a future project. So I'm the problem.
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  It's me. I now as now when we moved in
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  here, we got rid of a whole bunch of stuff, but I then I had
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  to buy furniture and it has taken me, well, we've been here
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  four years and it's taken me that long to find every piece of
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  furniture I want for the house because I like black furniture.
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  I like dark. I like that dark academia dark.
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  That's the dark vibe I have going.
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  And now my next thing is I want to get rid of our sectional
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  because we've had it eight years and.
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  It that's that's a good amount of time.
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  I think I got my money's worth out of it.
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  Yeah, I want to get rid of it. And I, I don't know what color I
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  want to do because my, I still have kids, you know, and see for
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  us where our sectional is, we have our big coffee table that's
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  in the middle and then our coffee table actually opens into
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  our dining room table. Oh, OK.
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  Because I didn't want a table in my kitchen and I didn't want a
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  table just to be there because it takes up room.
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  So so I have that. So it has to match the black.
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  So I might go to Gray this time because my my sectional right
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  now is like a deep deep chocolate color.
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  OK, we do a lot of Gray and I'm over the Gray now.
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  So now I want like you'll see. I really like my black like this
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  little comfy chair that I got and they sell sectionals kind of
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  like this with this and with this plush.
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  So that's like my dream next couch hope.
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  Do you think it holds up pretty good in your opinion for to be
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  with them all the time on them? See, it's hard to say because
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  I'm not on this all the time. So maybe maybe that's what I'm
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  just going to test this out more.
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  I'm going to have to hang out in my reading chair more yes, to be
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  able to tell you if it holds. Up.
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  But I I would say this is still like brand new and I've had it
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  for like 6 months now and it's still great.
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  So I just got to use it more. So that that's my, my thing.
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  And then I want to get in here over on this wall over here.
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  I want to put a cabinet that's all glass that's lit up because
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  I want to put some of my, my antique glass that I've been
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  buying. And then my husband wants to
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  display some of his retro gaming systems and stuff because that's
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  his corner. He has to have his corner.
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  And and then out in my living room, I want to get a another
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  like a a big cabinet that has glass that I can do different
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  things and I want to show my uranium glass.
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  Yeah, you thinking like a hutch or more like a a top to bottom
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  glass type thing? Well, I want to have at least
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  like some space at the bottom, maybe 2 drawers at the bottom or
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  something or a cabinet that's closed.
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  So like when I'm like I can have some more storage space.
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  Storage is prime real estate in my house because it did not, our
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  house did not come with a ton of storage.
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  And so I have been, I have cabinets and big tall pantry
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  cabinets I've bought. And yeah, I, as I said, it's
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  storage. Everything's storage.
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  That's part of the problem with the last House of this house is
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  that we got rid of furniture because we had a lot of
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  mismatched stuff. Somebody was like, hey, we have
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  this dresser and we'd be like, yeah, sure, we'll take it.
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  So when we came into this house, I said no, we're getting rid of
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  all that mismatched stuff. Well, now we have not, no, we
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  have no furniture. So that's part of my problem is
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  I don't have hiding space for all this stuff that we had in
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  all of these mismatched furniture.
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  So and we can't afford it to just buy a bunch of stuff right
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  now. I like your.
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  Your bookcases and that that you put behind you.
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  I do like those that that is pretty.
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  I like it, and I like that I close.
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  Yeah, so the IKEA I like built it and it wasn't crazy expensive
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  and I only did, I did like 3 with the glass doors that I want
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  to keep like certain books, you know, from I don't know for
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  being subjected to the elements. They're your special ones.
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  My special ones, yes. So yeah, but I really liked it.
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  And then I just, instead of having my husband put it
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  together because he unfortunately had to do my last
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  one. But IKEA has the task Rabbit,
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  which is really nice. The guy came in and just did it
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  all and was done in a couple hours instead of it taking, you
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  know, a day and 1/2. Oh, that's nice.
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  Yeah, because I put together everything.
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  The only thing I had to have him help me with is when I had,
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  because I have a big sideboard out in my kitchen just to help
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  me put the top on it because it had to go perfect.
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  Other than that, I've I've built everything.
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  Which is awesome. Are you good with power tools
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  though? Because I strip everything, I'm
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  so bad. Oh no, I'm, I'm pretty good.
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  I'm pretty good with it. Now.
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  Do I every now and then have put something on backwards and have
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  to take it apart and then have to put it?
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  Yes. I don't think I'm dyslexic.
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  It's just sometimes the instructions when they show it
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  to you, it's not. They're just letters and arrows
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  if they gave it this is I need things maybe written out a
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  little bit more clear and they're drawing instructions
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  that they do our. Front, front, side, backside.
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  Something every once in a while would be nice.
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  Yeah, well. When I put my bookcase together,
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  it had 9 million screws and some were this long and some were
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  just that long, just barely a difference.
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  And when I was doing it, I was like, this isn't right.
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  This isn't right, something's not right.
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  And I realized I put the wrong screws in a whole section and I
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  had to take it in part and figure out which one it was.
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  And this is all, and it's all metal and it's all, well, it's
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  wood and metal. And then it has the IT was that
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  was more of a pain in the ass to put together than any of the
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  other pieces that I have. Yeah, and it's beautiful now,
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  but I, yeah, I know it's a pain in the ass when you're trying to
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  put it together. But I bought a lot of my stuff.
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  I got it from Wayfair and then and then actually I got my
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  bookcase came from Amazon. Yeah, they have great stuff.
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  I, I did Wayfair a lot back in the day and then, I don't know,
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  I kind of forgot about them. They kind of like, you know, if
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  I'm not getting their emails in my inbox and I just kind of
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  forget, they probably don't want to spam.
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  Oh and if you watch you can get some really good prices.
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  I don't. Everything I bought I waited
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  till it was on sale. I always used to get my rugs
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  from Wayfair and I loved my Wayfair rugs.
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  We'll see. Now I've given you inspiration.
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  Yes. For some things, but Oh yeah,
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  I've gotten a lot of different things from from Wayfair.
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  The only thing I have that's not Wayfair, I guess, or like my
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  desk here. This is Amazon.
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  I got it because it has plugs in the desk but my bet is it's
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  solid cherry and I've had that do.
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  You remember, though, the conspiracy with Wayfair?
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  Oh yeah, they said. It's like, isn't it like
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  something they're saying it was, it's funneling or something?
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  Yeah, like child like human trafficking stuff.
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  Yeah. I think that's also part of why
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  I stopped shopping there. Well, just in case.
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  Well. I saw the video and there was
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  this guy and he worked at a bank and he said this lady kept
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  coming in like every month and it was something like she was,
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  she was sending like Wayfair like $15,000 a month.
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  Like she wasn't buying furniture.
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  It was weird. Weird.
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  But that's only if you can believe that that man is telling
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  the truth as well. Right.
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  And all the other people. I enjoy, I enjoy a good
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  conspiracy theory, Yes, you know.
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  Yes, yes, we both do for sure. Yeah, Now that I think about it,
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  that that might have had something to do with why I
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  haven't shopped at Wayfair for a.
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  While. But you have to go back and
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  look. Oh, and there's also a website
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  you can go to that it it's not Wayfair, but you know, like how
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  there's like the real high end designer, quote UN quote
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  designer furniture. You can take it and you can look
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  at it and it'll show you the do I think it's dupes or something
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  like that. It's called and you can find the
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  exact same thing for a fraction of the cost.
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  Oh OK, I also love like Walmart furniture.
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  They have great stuff too. I haven't bought anything at
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  Walmart furniture for a long time.
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  I had a giant walled unit like entertainment center.
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  That's back before the flat screen TV's became a thing so it
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  was more of like a square. And I remember my ex-husband it
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  took him two days to put it together. 2 days.
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  I don't think it really needed to take two days because I put
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  stuff together myself. Now mind you, it may take me
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  many hours, but I will get it done.
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  But he stopped halfway through. I'm like, this is again why he's
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  an ex-husband. Yeah, I was going to say it's
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  also probably because some people just get like lazy
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  halfway through. Where is me?
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  I like, I can't stop something until I finish it unless my A,
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  unless my ADHD kicks in, but that's a different story.
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  That's not like a project that I'm doing.
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  That's just like laundry and things like.
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  That. Well, I have my This morning my
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  husband was looking for his socks.
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  I'm like I just did multiple loads of laundry but it was like
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  2 days ago and he's like I can't find any.
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  But he had taken his socks and they were in his drawer with his
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  shorts. I said I didn't do that, they're
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  not because I take them now. Do you When you do you pair
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  socks together? Yes, I do.
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  The rest of the family, No. And they were not.
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  I said that was you. I said you did that.
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  But I I did more laundry than this morning again, because God
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  forbid we can't find things in the house.
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  Yeah, men. Oh, now this is one other thing
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  for you. Speaking of men, did you know
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  the reason why if you sneeze a lot, you have allergies?
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  Because of pollen? That is the overstimulation of
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  male trees. So it's again again men.
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  Wow, male. Trees, male trees, they just
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  have. There's just too many of them
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  and not enough the lady trees, I don't know how.
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  I didn't even know that they had genders but learned something
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  every day. And that's why again, men, men.
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  But yet we love the men in our. Books, of course, that they can
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  do no wrong. Men in real life.
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  Reese would never. Reese OH are you getting excited
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  though for a Qatar 6? Oh my gosh, yes, yes, and I'm
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  really excited. So I'm, I'm bummed and excited.
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  My Yellowstone trip that's coming up in like a week and
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  1/2. It's a Qatar like reading
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  retreat and I'm excited about it.
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  But I'm also bummed because then I then we found out I had booked
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  that before the announcement of 6:00 and 7:00.
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  And then they're going to do some like right after.
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  And so I'm kind of bummed that I didn't like wait to book those.
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  But it's going to get me even more excited.
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  Like I'm going to take my books. I'm going to reread them while
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  I'm there. And yeah, I am pretty stoked.
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  Now, are you going to is part of it?
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  Are you going to discuss theories and stuff that people
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  have for the upcoming, or is it strictly you're going to be
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  reading? No, I think no, because we have
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  like, there's like trivia night and we do all kinds of stuff,
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  like, I guess there's like arts and crafts.
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  So they have like events planned.
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  And then they also give you time.
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  Like you don't have to go to anything.
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  You can just sit in your room and read if you want to.
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  Yeah. So I'm excited.
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  And then I guess we do like a little.
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  Everybody brings a book and you sign each other's books.
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  So I want to start. Yeah.
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  So I want to start like bedazzling one of my.
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  Oh, with the little the little beach and stuff about.
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  Grindstones, yeah. So, so that everybody can sign
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  one or that one. But yeah, I'm excited and
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  excited to like, meet some other people from everywhere I don't
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  like. I don't, when I look at the
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  names, I don't recognize any of them.
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  So it's going to be really cool to meet, you know, new people
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  from around. The from around the US now.
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  How far are you from Yellowstone?
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  How long is it going to take you to get there?
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  I the flight's only like two hours, I want to say, because
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  it's, I mean, from, yeah, from here to Montana, maybe it's like
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  3 hours ish, but yeah, yeah. Is your husband going to go with
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  you? No.
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  No, it's just you. Solo Yeah, interesting kids.
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  I told him I was like, yeah, I told him he, he and the kids,
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  like should have come up and stayed like nearby and camped or
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  something. But he's like, Nah, you just go
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  so. Well, that'll be fun, Yeah.
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  Now, are you excited about any of the upcoming books that are
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  releasing? Because did you see that Carrie
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  Lake just showed what Vess Mora is going to look like?
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  I did not. I did not see that.
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  That's exciting, Mel. I haven't read her yet.
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  I have her on my shelf but I haven't read her yet.
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  You should keep her on your shelf until we're getting
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  towards spooky season because she has that.
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  It's that dark vibe. It's not the but unless you like
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  darkness like I do all year round, but it's more, you know,
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  that fall vibe, you know that feel.
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  Yeah, wait till it's misty. There's so many good books
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  coming out. Light Wielder comes out next
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  week. What's her name there?
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  Helen Sure as we as Heather, I said.
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  Sure. Her book comes out in September.
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  Vesmora kind of thing comes. It's September, October.
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  Of course, you know, SJ, Miss book comes out.
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  There's so many good books. Oh, Raven Kennedy's new book
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  comes out in September. Her The Pied Piper, the first
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  one comes out. Yeah.
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  And then I just woke up to news this morning of I don't know if
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  you Remember Me talking about Between Tides and Thunder by
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  Lena Kazik. Yes, Heather was just talking
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  about her yesterday, her that particular book she talked
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  about. Yes, so she like had taken
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  everything off her Instagram and there was nothing and people
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  online were like, what's going on?
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  What, you know, she's getting ready for something big.
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  Well, then I checked my inbox this morning because I'm part of
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  her newsletter and she dropped. So that entire book she did from
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  the male's POV. So now.
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  Yeah. So that was like the surprise.
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  She's like, and you can read it right now.
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  So it's like already up on Kindle Unlimited and I'm that
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  shit. Now I have to drop like
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  everything and read that because.
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  I'll have to tell Heather cuz I don't know if Heather knows
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  that. She she does.
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  She's on the newsletter, too. Yeah, OK.
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  Oh, then she definitely. Does, but I'm like it's so
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  exciting, but I'm like I'm still trying to get through fury
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  bound. I'm let's see and I'm I'm
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  excited for the next one to come out, but I'm like, I'm there.
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  Not bad. Are you liking?
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  So how are you feeling between book 1 and book 2?
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  Which one do you do you? Do you think they're equal in in
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  being wonderful, or is there one that you like more than the
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  other? See, it's hard.
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  I'm really liking this one because we're learning like it's
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  kind of slowing things down and now we're learning about like
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  what's happening in the journey that she's on.
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  So I like that part of it, but I feel like there's not going to
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  be a lot of like plot, you know, we're kind of like in an in
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  between, like a lull a little bit so far.
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  So we'll see. But I like, I am enjoying, I'm
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  definitely enjoying it. I like the character development
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  of the main female main character a little bit more so.
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  Now is that a trilogy or is OK, So there is one more book come
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  in. OK, interesting.
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  Now I'm like I, I well, I said this to Heather yesterday
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  because we recorded yesterday, but I am reading the Kingdoms of
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  Silent sorrows. It is very good.
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  I I'm just at the beginning of it and it's but it's so good
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  because last night I didn't have an opportunity to read, but it
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  is so good. AG Harris is she's amazing
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  author. It's I like, I like the way she
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  writes, but it like the first part, when you get into it, it's
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  it's not like chapter 1 is like 50 some pages because it's kind
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  of like, I don't know if those are the people that I'm going to
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  be reading as it continues on or if it's kind of like this is the
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  events that are happening that are going to lead us into the
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  next part. But it's it's very good.
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  I really like that. I like, I know she has book 2
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  done. I think she has book two and
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  three done. She has all.
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  Then she's in there in the editing process.
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  So hopefully, because we'll hear from her next week, she's going
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  to be on the show. Yeah.
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  So yeah. She's one who I've got lined up
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  like I want to get to her ASAP, hopefully this week.
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  And we actually, she and I bonded over liking TL Swan, so
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  I'm excited to talk to her about that when we have her on.
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  Oh yeah, she's super sweet and she just got back from an
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  amazing trip in Japan, so. So we'll have to ask her about.
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  That too. Yeah, I'm excited.
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  And then after now after I finish that, because you know
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  how I am, I only read one book at a time.
• 20:21
  And but I read remember I was reading Your Path is Sorrow by
• 20:24
  Parker and it is so good. I flew through that one like not
• 20:30
  it was like because you know how I read, but I read that whole
• 20:34
  thing within a week. And then now I got her.
• 20:36
  I got book 2. Your path has sacrificed.
• 20:39
  OK, I was just about to ask how many there are.
• 20:42
  Well, there's three that are out and then she plans two more
• 20:47
  after. But now this one here, I was
• 20:51
  able to get the third one. Right now she's having problems
• 20:55
  with Amazon because that's where I ordered it from.
• 20:58
  So she's looking into getting them printed that you can just
• 21:01
  order them for our website since Amazon's giving her problems.
• 21:04
  So. But book 3 is out, but I like
• 21:07
  having a physical copy. You know how I.
• 21:09
  Am Yeah, me too. But they're really pretty and
• 21:12
  they're like, oh, and also, as Heather always says, I'm sure
• 21:15
  there's some Easter eggs happening here, but but if you
• 21:19
  do get a chance to read it, you would you'll really like her
• 21:22
  stuff. I really, I really like her.
• 21:25
  She's another one I really want to get to, especially since we
• 21:27
  you guys had her on the podcast. I've been wanting to read it and
• 21:31
  Magpie is just a stand alone. Yes, well it's a stand alone and
• 21:36
  then she's going to be writing another book from people that
• 21:39
  are in but it it's kind of like interconnected.
• 21:42
  But you don't but you don't have to read them in that order or
• 21:45
  anything. I believe if I remember
• 21:47
  correctly, that's what she was saying.
• 21:49
  Heather has read Magpie. I have Magpie on my shelf.
• 21:52
  I plan on reading at this summer too.
• 21:54
  Again, like I said, I really like her the way she writes.
• 21:58
  She's very vivid in the way her chapters go.
• 22:01
  You're reading it and you get to the end of the chapter and
• 22:03
  you're like, Oh no, and you want to and you have to continue on
• 22:07
  because because you know how sometimes you'll get a book and
• 22:10
  you're reading it and then you're like, I need to take a
• 22:12
  break. You know, like sometimes when
• 22:14
  you're reading. But this one, when the way she
• 22:16
  writes it, you can't wait to read the the next chapter.
• 22:20
  I think that's why I flew through it.
• 22:23
  But now also, before we bring on LE cells, I just want to mention
• 22:29
  that we have our two drinks that are going to be up on our
• 22:34
  Instagram under Sips. The drink is, let's see here,
• 22:39
  the Dragon's Ember. That's the mocktail.
• 22:42
  I guess maybe I just did a mocktail this time.
• 22:45
  I think maybe I didn't do an alcoholic one too.
• 22:48
  If not, I will definitely add 1. I was going to say, you can
• 22:52
  always just throw some alcohol into it.
• 22:53
  Oh, you can. It's true.
• 22:55
  You can just throw some alcohol into it.
• 22:56
  Take your poison and throw it in.
• 22:58
  But it does, it does look really good.
• 23:00
  It's something with pomegranate juice and orange juice and stuff
• 23:03
  like that, So and that sounds. Good it.
• 23:06
  Looks interesting so, but they will be.
• 23:08
  Good, I was going to say that sounds like a good wet vodka
• 23:12
  type drink. Yeah, yeah, I have.
• 23:14
  You go. I haven't drank vodka for a
• 23:17
  while. The reason I had I, I kind of, I
• 23:21
  kind of got sick on vodka here. And this was the number of
• 23:23
  let's. Talk about this what did we do
• 23:26
  on vodka? Well, this was many, many moons
• 23:29
  ago and we were at my, my husband's mom's house and she
• 23:36
  had some friends over and we're, we're, I don't remember if we
• 23:40
  were playing cards or what we were doing.
• 23:42
  And because my oldest was a baby at the time, but he was sleeping
• 23:45
  already. So this would have been later at
• 23:47
  night and we're having Big Red. Have you ever drank big bread
• 23:51
  before? It's a type of pop It's red.
• 23:54
  I can't look at it. I can't smell it.
• 23:58
  This has been years. My son will be 16 this year.
• 24:02
  So that gives you an idea of the last time that I touched Big
• 24:05
  Red. It makes it, you know, it's one
• 24:08
  of those kind of things. And I drank so much of it
• 24:10
  because I was doing vodka shots and then chasing it with Big
• 24:14
  Red. And I remember being so drunk
• 24:18
  and I don't get drunk if I mean, I might get a little tipsy or
• 24:21
  something like that nowadays, but this was like what?
• 24:24
  And I, I remember I couldn't make it up the steps to go to
• 24:28
  our bedroom. And I remember my husband had to
• 24:31
  pull me up the steps because the there was no straightness left
• 24:35
  back into me. There I was.
• 24:36
  I was completely sideways and we went to bed.
• 24:40
  This would have been like late. So then it was getting like
• 24:43
  morning and we were going to go to my father in law's house
• 24:46
  because my my husband's parents are divorced.
• 24:48
  So we were going to go to his house to go visit him.
• 24:51
  And I woke up and I was so sick, you know, that hangover and I
• 24:55
  was sick and I knew I could not make it to go down the steps
• 25:01
  because at the bottom of the steps was the bathroom and I
• 25:04
  could not make it. I had to open the window and I
• 25:07
  threw up down the side of my brother in law's house.
• 25:11
  I did that. So I can't touch that stuff
• 25:13
  anymore. Well, I mean, I could still
• 25:15
  probably drink vodka or do a little like a screwdriver or
• 25:18
  something Big red. Yeah, no, that's all.
• 25:22
  Have you ever gotten that sick when you've been drinking?
• 25:25
  Oh yeah, definitely a couple times, but it always, it was
• 25:29
  when I was younger like, you know, just just getting into
• 25:32
  being able to drink so and at not in a very long time, thank
• 25:37
  goodness. Oh, no, that so I would, I would
• 25:39
  have been, oh, I was 30. I was 30 when I did that.
• 25:43
  But then and then, and then the time prior to that, I had too
• 25:46
  many screwdrivers, you know, vodka again, it was vodka, vodka
• 25:50
  and orange juice. And then for some reason I ate a
• 25:52
  cheeseburger for some reason thought that was a good idea.
• 25:55
  And this was at my, my parents house and my mom and dad even
• 25:59
  they frowned upon everything. But I remember I was so sick and
• 26:03
  I remember I threw up in the front yard.
• 26:06
  Yeah. I think those are the only two
• 26:08
  times I ever was really sick. I've never really like again,
• 26:10
  like I said, I'm not a, a big drinker, but those are the two
• 26:13
  times. And then I remember it left like
• 26:15
  a, like a spaceship, like a spaceship had landed in the yard
• 26:18
  and killed the grass. Oh my God, it was the IT was
• 26:23
  not, it was not the best moment of my life there.
• 26:27
  But and, and I and I think that's why I don't after those
• 26:30
  two experiences. That's probably why I don't.
• 26:33
  Oh yeah, I don't indulge any that much anymore.
• 26:36
  Yes. Like again, I will drink
• 26:38
  something and I'll get into a tipsy.
• 26:39
  We did have wine the other night and just one glass because I got
• 26:43
  crystal goblets on my search and they're real pretty off the off
• 26:47
  the chum tea and I had it and I didn't realize how strong that
• 26:51
  wine was because I had drank it and then I was going to go clean
• 26:56
  some of my other glass stuff that I bought.
• 27:00
  I couldn't hold my glass. It's not that.
• 27:02
  It's just I, I was a little, the world was moving a little bit
• 27:06
  and I decided I'm not going to do that.
• 27:08
  Let's not play with glass right now, yeah?
• 27:11
  Especially that's that's antique stuff that you can't.
• 27:14
  Write. Yeah, you're pretty.
• 27:15
  Yeah, exactly. So that is what I so that I I
• 27:20
  don't that I don't partake much. Do you drink beer?
• 27:24
  Are are you a beer drinker? No, I'm really not unless it's a
• 27:27
  cider. I love ciders wine, although I
• 27:31
  will never do like sweet wine ever again.
• 27:34
  I used to do when I was younger. I do like the Stella Rosa, like
• 27:37
  the sweet ones and I like projectile vomited drinking that
• 27:41
  one time. So and I've never done that
• 27:43
  before and that was awful. Like you don't even feel like
• 27:45
  coming on. It just happens.
• 27:47
  So yeah, that was the last time I ever drink that.
• 27:50
  But I love like a good Riesling or and then I whiskey is my I
• 27:55
  love whiskey and coke. I do like that.
• 27:59
  I I used to drink that quite often.
• 28:03
  This was years ago. I don't, I don't again, I
• 28:05
  haven't drank whiskey in years either, but I always liked it.
• 28:08
  And Coke. I liked Glenn Livet.
• 28:11
  I like to have that. I liked Jim Beam.
• 28:14
  I mean, we're in Kentucky here. We're in the bourbon and whiskey
• 28:18
  area because we don't, because where we live, we're actually
• 28:20
  very close to all the big distilleries.
• 28:25
  When we went doing our little antiquing thing the other day,
• 28:28
  we actually drove by 4 Roses, Jim Bean.
• 28:32
  I can't think of the other one we went by, but we drove past
• 28:35
  them as we were. We were going to the one place
• 28:37
  we were going to. And you can go and you can tour
• 28:39
  them. I was going to say, are they
• 28:41
  open for like tastings and stuff?
• 28:43
  I know Jim Bean is and I know I think, I think pretty much all
• 28:47
  of them you can go and they do tours and stuff like that.
• 28:49
  I'd like to go. I just, I, I think it would be
• 28:52
  fascinating just to see how they make it and all that kind of
• 28:55
  stuff. I asked my kids do they want to
• 28:57
  go and and see that because I think it's still something neat,
• 29:00
  No. We live maybe when they're
• 29:04
  older, yeah. Or like for their 21st birthday
• 29:07
  or something that. They might like it, but it is
• 29:10
  but again, but it's it's really neat.
• 29:12
  But we're and also you go if you go downtown, they have bourbon
• 29:15
  row and they have all kinds of stuff on that.
• 29:18
  I don't ever go downtown, though.
• 29:20
  It's not my not my thing. I, it's too peopley, peopley.
• 29:26
  I just, I am not. I mean, that's, I think This is
• 29:28
  why we do our little antiquing thing.
• 29:30
  There's only so many people there.
• 29:32
  Yeah, yeah. I won't go Kentucky Kingdom.
• 29:35
  I mean, we live 20 minutes from Kentucky Kingdom and Hurricane
• 29:39
  Bay. Do you think you're ever going
• 29:41
  to get me there? No.
• 29:42
  Plus I get motion sick. I don't want to go on rides.
• 29:46
  I get sick. Do you get motion?
• 29:48
  Sick. Oh, I get really bad, Yeah.
• 29:51
  I get motion sick when my husband's driving sometimes and
• 29:55
  I, we, when we were driving just the other day, we had to take a
• 29:58
  detour because there was something with the Interstate
• 30:01
  was closed. And so our GPS sent us on this.
• 30:06
  I mean, the road was paved really nice.
• 30:08
  It was beautiful. We're out in the country kind of
• 30:10
  thing, but it was like the road, no berm.
• 30:12
  It was like if you miscalculated, you're like,
• 30:15
  you're down in the ditch kind of thing and narrow.
• 30:18
  And then it was twisting. I couldn't look at my phone.
• 30:21
  I couldn't do anything. I had to just keep focusing what
• 30:25
  he was doing because otherwise I was getting sick to my stomach.
• 30:28
  Yeah, yeah. I get it really bad.
• 30:30
  Have you ever gotten motion sick when you are driving?
• 30:34
  It happened once or twice, Yeah, once or twice if I'm, but mostly
• 30:39
  if I'm, if I've got like the kids in the car and they're
• 30:41
  asking me for stuff and I'm like, you know, trying to divert
• 30:43
  my attention, that's when, yeah, that's when I get it.
• 30:47
  Yeah, I've gotten sick driving myself, and I guess that's a
• 30:49
  more of a rare thing. Most people don't get sick when
• 30:52
  they're driving. Yeah, yeah.
• 30:54
  But I have done it to myself. So that's our fun excitement.
• 30:57
  But hey everybody, we will be right back with LE Cells.
• 31:01
  I hope you enjoyed our fun confessions of what happened to
• 31:04
  us when we drank. Hey, today we are joined by the
• 31:10
  absolute mastermind LE Cells. Welcome.
• 31:17
  Hi. Thank you for having me,
• 31:20
  mastermind. Yes, you are.
• 31:23
  You are wonderful and you are. You are so funny and you crack
• 31:28
  my soul inside. I love following you on
• 31:31
  Instagram. You're just, you're just a
• 31:33
  lovely, lovely lady. Oh, it takes.
• 31:36
  I try my best. I don't know what I'm doing half
• 31:38
  the time so. Do any of us know what we're
• 31:41
  doing, ever? You know, I feel like some
• 31:44
  people are really good at faking it.
• 31:47
  Like they know what they're doing.
• 31:49
  Yes, you know. I am realizing that more into
• 31:52
  adulthood, I'm like nobody ever actually has it all figured out
• 31:56
  because I thought I would and Nope, not at all.
• 32:00
  You know, I used to think like people like when they were
• 32:02
  older, like this would have been when I was in my 20s.
• 32:05
  And I'm like, oh, you know, by the time you're in your 40s,
• 32:07
  you, you really know what's happening, You know what's going
• 32:11
  on. No.
• 32:13
  No, I. Feel the same as I did then.
• 32:18
  I mean, I might have a little bit more knowledge of things, of
• 32:22
  how things work in the world than I did because I was a
• 32:25
  little bit more naive and stuff. But now you don't know, you
• 32:29
  know, I don't think anybody knows.
• 32:30
  I think like all the old people that are like in their 80s and
• 32:33
  they think they know. They know as much as we do.
• 32:36
  Yep. And so I don't necessarily, I
• 32:40
  don't take their advice because I, I don't know, I don't think
• 32:43
  anybody knows what they're doing.
• 32:45
  So how are you doing today, by the way?
• 32:47
  I'm. Doing really good.
• 32:48
  My husband made me some coffee for this, my little very
• 32:54
  stickery Tumblr mug full of caffeine.
• 33:00
  But yeah, I'm doing really good. I was, I'm working on actually,
• 33:04
  this was a question I had for you guys as avid romance
• 33:08
  readers, because as a reader and a writer, I have questions, you
• 33:14
  know, because I have my feelings about the stuff that I read.
• 33:16
  I'm, I'm usually a mood reader, you know, for the most part, but
• 33:20
  I kind of span across all kinds of genres.
• 33:23
  I genuinely really love fantasy, romance, dark romance, but I
• 33:29
  also really like contemporary. I like Sierra Simone is one of
• 33:33
  my absolute favorite authors and she writes predominantly
• 33:37
  contemporary romance, right? She doesn't do too much fantasy,
• 33:39
  although Thorne Chapel does have that occult vibe to it, which is
• 33:44
  I love that. But the question I have is
• 33:49
  because most of my stuff is either paranormal or fantasy
• 33:53
  romance, and I'm working on a novel that's contemporary and
• 33:58
  I'm like, I know Yaros does this, right?
• 34:01
  She's got her 4th Wing series, but then she also has some
• 34:04
  contemporary pieces. And I'm like, is this OK?
• 34:10
  Like, are we breaking some sort of wool here as a writer being
• 34:14
  like, I write fantasy, paranormal romance.
• 34:17
  If I have a contemporary piece, is it just going to are you
• 34:20
  readers are going to be like, what are you?
• 34:22
  What are you doing? Why?
• 34:23
  Why are you doing that? OK.
• 34:25
  Nope. I especially because yes,
• 34:29
  especially because I like to take a break in between the
• 34:32
  romanticy I absolutely love and paranormal I love.
• 34:36
  But sometimes my brain needs a break from like the world
• 34:39
  building and like, it's a lot. It's a lot more to take in and
• 34:44
  like get your mind there. Whereas contemporary, I can just
• 34:47
  jump right in. And so I will normally do a
• 34:50
  romanticy, A contemporary romanticy, a contemporary.
• 34:52
  So if you're the author that I know I like like Rebecca Yaros
• 34:56
  or reading your books, I, I'd be like, oh, cool.
• 34:58
  So now I can read one of your contemporary after I just read
• 35:00
  4th Wing. Yeah, so, and I love that she
• 35:03
  does like historical fiction, contemporary and she does like
• 35:07
  right now contemporary. So do what you want, girl.
• 35:10
  I'm I'm all in. Yes.
• 35:12
  Good that makes me feel good just because I have I really
• 35:16
  love this this piece that I'm working on and I'm really
• 35:19
  excited about it because it's it's sort of different because I
• 35:22
  kind of feel like the whole forgiveness factor is something
• 35:27
  that is is hard for women. You know what I mean?
• 35:30
  Because we're like, you get one shot, you know what I mean?
• 35:34
  But like, I feel like this is like a almost like a like a
• 35:37
  second chance sort of situation. But for my MMC, he didn't really
• 35:42
  know what was happening either. So it's sort of like this is
• 35:45
  where her flaws are sort of on display too.
• 35:48
  It's like, OK, but you can also allow him to make that change
• 35:52
  and show that he wants to be, you know, a part of your life.
• 35:56
  And actually, because that's like a, that is a toxic
• 36:01
  relationship thing that like is real in real life where people
• 36:05
  are just like, oh, you messed up once, too bad, we're done.
• 36:08
  And like to have that like introspective or like be able to
• 36:13
  look at yourself as the female and be like, oh, actually, you
• 36:16
  know what, I need to ease up on people a little bit.
• 36:19
  Yes, I think that's a good thing to have.
• 36:21
  Yeah, and the the IT came from a a prompter writing prompt.
• 36:26
  Actually, most of my work comes from the Can I cuss?
• 36:30
  Is that OK? Yeah, absolutely.
• 36:33
  OK, great, you can say. If we can say Dong, we can say
• 36:37
  fuck all the things, whatever we.
• 36:38
  Want We don't clutch pearls here.
• 36:40
  You have to remember that. Perfect, excellent.
• 36:45
  Let's just wear the Pearl necklaces.
• 36:47
  Everything fine? Okay, so yeah, everything comes
• 36:53
  from a fucking writing prompt for me.
• 36:54
  So anyway, this particular one was, you know, a couple goes on
• 37:00
  a trip and they come home, one surprises the other one with
• 37:05
  breaking up with the the other and the the female whatever the
• 37:09
  guy breaks up with her and she tells him that she's pregnant.
• 37:14
  Plot twist. And so it's like, you know, I
• 37:19
  love that because it's the one thing that I enjoy about getting
• 37:22
  ready, starting a book is you're immediately like, Oh my God,
• 37:26
  like what? And so the first two chapters,
• 37:30
  it's like the end of the relationship and how that
• 37:33
  happens. And it's just like, Oh my, Oh my
• 37:36
  God, you know. And so it's very deeply
• 37:39
  emotional, right? Because it's that's really
• 37:41
  powerful. And so it's about how that all
• 37:46
  happens in the beginning, but then how they actually come back
• 37:50
  together because he doesn't know.
• 37:51
  He doesn't know that that's what's going on.
• 37:54
  And so she, and then she has to figure out not only how to like
• 37:59
  allow him back in. And a part of that healing comes
• 38:02
  from her daughter too. So like she has this, this baby,
• 38:06
  she's now 8 when he comes back into the picture and he's like,
• 38:11
  Oh my God, not only am IA dad, but like also I this is like who
• 38:16
  I've been missing. You know what I mean?
• 38:17
  It's sort of like this aha. Like lightning bolt realization.
• 38:21
  Does she tell him that she's pregnant?
• 38:25
  Oh oh. My gosh.
• 38:28
  OK. Yeah, yeah, right.
• 38:30
  So he comes back after eight years.
• 38:33
  They meet in this coffee shop by happenstance, right?
• 38:36
  Like a little meet cute sort of thing.
• 38:38
  Re meet cute. And he's just like Oh my God.
• 38:41
  Like you're like, I can't, you know, like it's you like Oh my
• 38:46
  God. Like this lightning bolt
• 38:48
  realization for her like that she's or for him sorry for him
• 38:51
  that you know, she's this beautiful person that he's been
• 38:54
  missing. And Oh my God, like I where have
• 38:57
  you been? I can't believe I left and I'm
• 38:59
  such an idiot. And then in comes 8 year old
• 39:04
  Tristan and he's like, oh, of course she's got married and
• 39:08
  have kids. But then she also names him and
• 39:12
  names her daughter, gives her daughter his her his middle
• 39:15
  name. So that's how he figures out
• 39:18
  that. She's his.
• 39:21
  The chills. If you could see.
• 39:23
  Them that. Would be I have to tell you,
• 39:25
  that would be such an amazing movie.
• 39:28
  I have to tell you, I mean, it's an amazing book.
• 39:31
  I love that. But oh, I would so watch that,
• 39:35
  that is. So good.
• 39:37
  Yes. I like that.
• 39:39
  I like that. And he has no idea and he's
• 39:42
  missing a holding chunk of her life.
• 39:44
  Oh, I love it. Yeah.
• 39:46
  That was actually like one of the parts of it when he's going
• 39:50
  there and sort of like realizing in that moment, like I have
• 39:54
  missed like that was actually, you know how sometimes you when
• 39:58
  you do something, you're like good job like that was.
• 40:02
  When he's like having that like really deep emotional
• 40:06
  realization, like I missed her first birthday, her first
• 40:09
  Christmas, all the turns and and Adrian's stomach, the late the
• 40:13
  late night 2:00 AM wake ups, you know, like I missed all the
• 40:18
  important. Moments.
• 40:19
  Yeah. And it's like he's just having a
• 40:23
  big like this is like a would be like a singularity.
• 40:27
  It is. Yeah, tragic.
• 40:29
  Yeah. And so then the rest of the book
• 40:32
  becomes like, how do I, it's not necessarily how do I fix this.
• 40:39
  It's how do I put how do, how do I belong in this?
• 40:43
  And how can I make it so that way I belong here because you 2
• 40:48
  are my whole heart and my whole world.
• 40:52
  And for Adrian, who's the female in this and Tristan, it's how
• 40:57
  she realizes because she's carrying a lot of that anger and
• 41:00
  resentment that she feels like she's sort of put to the side
• 41:04
  about him leaving, and she has to figure out how to let that
• 41:09
  go. And she gets a lot of that
• 41:12
  healing from Tristan being like, you're being cruel, you know
• 41:16
  what I mean? Like, you haven't get let him
• 41:18
  try. You haven't even let him, you
• 41:21
  know what I mean? So yeah.
• 41:24
  It's that's good. Yeah.
• 41:27
  I think you will have a very large audience for that,
• 41:31
  absolutely. So.
• 41:34
  That is such an amazing, just that little bit of what you
• 41:37
  said. I'm not so much like a
• 41:39
  contemporary romance reader, but I have to tell you just what you
• 41:44
  told me. That's it sucked me in that it
• 41:48
  makes me want to know how is this going to end now?
• 41:51
  Is it? Is that a stand alone or are you
• 41:53
  going to make that? No, that's gonna be a
• 41:56
  standalone, just a stand girl. I need to have a one off.
• 41:59
  Yeah, I've got I've got quite a few.
• 42:03
  Like so kindred is a series and then survive from the ashes app.
• 42:09
  Survive from the ashes. Can we can we pretend like I
• 42:13
  know how to talk? That would be good.
• 42:16
  So Survive from the Ashes is a like a four and a half book
• 42:20
  series. And what's nice about that is
• 42:23
  that I'm writing it with a co-author.
• 42:25
  So it's really a lot. I mean it's it's not easy, but
• 42:29
  it's easier in the sense where I'm almost like writing half a
• 42:32
  book and then she's writing the other half.
• 42:34
  So it's a little bit easier that we're like working on it
• 42:36
  together. And so we get it done like the
• 42:39
  first two books. No, the first three books,
• 42:42
  because there's the novella, which we finished in two weeks.
• 42:45
  Like, don't even ask me. Like, amazing.
• 42:49
  Yeah, we were just like. And then the first book that
• 42:53
  this one survived from the ashes, this one we finished in
• 42:57
  like a month because we were so invested in the story.
• 43:01
  Like we had everything plotted out.
• 43:03
  We had our chapter draft, and we're like, OK, let's go.
• 43:05
  And so we just wrote it. And then we did the same thing
• 43:09
  with the second book, and that took us like, I think maybe
• 43:12
  another month and a half, two months.
• 43:15
  Wow. Just because of flying through
• 43:16
  those. Yeah.
• 43:18
  Yeah, it's impressive. I mean now we have the, you
• 43:21
  know, now we have to like promote and market the book and
• 43:24
  do all the other ad mini type things with writing a book.
• 43:28
  Which sounds like it might take longer than even writing it,
• 43:32
  yeah. Yeah, yeah.
• 43:34
  So it definitely puts a damper on like how fast we can write
• 43:37
  because we have all the other little things to do but.
• 43:40
  Yeah. I'm on my end.
• 43:42
  I'm sorting out how to do that so that way I'm not having to
• 43:45
  saddle myself with all of those things, you know, with utilizing
• 43:51
  outside resources to help with that sort of stuff.
• 43:53
  So yeah. So yeah, that we have like the
• 43:56
  first, I want to say 7-8 chapters written of the third
• 44:00
  book, which I'm so freaking excited for this series because
• 44:05
  it's it's really, really good and it's very immersive.
• 44:08
  So is it? Spicy.
• 44:10
  Girl, that is the platform in which I stand upon forever.
• 44:15
  I will die on that hill. Like I can't.
• 44:17
  I don't think I it. It is in me to do stuff that
• 44:21
  isn't spicy. I just don't want to.
• 44:24
  I like the spice. I like it.
• 44:28
  It's. That's that's always anybody
• 44:30
  tells me about a book. That's always my first question.
• 44:34
  Is it? Yes, because I I don't any kind
• 44:37
  of. I don't do the fade to black
• 44:39
  kind of thing. I I want to know information.
• 44:42
  I want to have visuals and descriptions of things.
• 44:48
  Yes, because it elicits those emotions just the same as a
• 44:54
  fight scene as a, you know, any, any other kind of scenes where
• 44:59
  it's engaging with your emotions, it's doing the same
• 45:04
  thing. You know, it's just we don't
• 45:07
  tend to balk away from that because we're like, yes, please.
• 45:11
  May I have some more? Yeah, I will take that.
• 45:17
  We always, you know, we always giggle, you know about when an
• 45:21
  author describes the manly rare is like that it's springs out or
• 45:29
  that she can hardly get her hands around 2 hands.
• 45:36
  So I hope your descriptions are lovely as.
• 45:39
  Well, I certainly try. It definitely helps seeing a lot
• 45:42
  of these social media people post about like their X about
• 45:46
  romance reads and how they're like.
• 45:48
  Please don't say. Folds.
• 45:51
  Wait, I have one. I have one.
• 45:53
  What? What is it?
• 45:54
  I do not like any part of the female body being described as
• 45:58
  meaty. Yeah, I read a book.
• 46:02
  Listen, I read a book. It was like he grabbed the meaty
• 46:05
  part of my somewhere and I'm like, it just ruined it, ruined
• 46:09
  the entire experience for me. I don't want to be called meaty
• 46:12
  ever. It's like, call me soft.
• 46:15
  Call me soft or call me this or that, but not.
• 46:18
  Meaty. That's different.
• 46:21
  I OK, so like when we're referring to and this is where
• 46:28
  it gets funny, right? Because some people are like,
• 46:31
  you know, they, they're just trying to come up with some
• 46:33
  adjectives to like go with it. But like, and we want to look at
• 46:38
  like the feminine body as strong in addition to being beautiful
• 46:43
  and delicate and mysterious and all the things.
• 46:47
  Yeah, however. I As much as I enjoy being
• 46:52
  eaten, I do not want to be referred to as meat when that is
• 46:56
  occurring. Yeah.
• 46:58
  It feels very it. I don't know, it doesn't.
• 47:04
  It doesn't feel good in my body. Yet it's not, and it's not like
• 47:08
  a romantic thing. It just kind of kills the mood
• 47:10
  right away. Yeah.
• 47:12
  Yeah. Well, let me ask you this.
• 47:13
  How do we feel about when they describe the on a woman and as
• 47:18
  the seam? How do we feel about that term?
• 47:22
  Do we like that term? That's a good question.
• 47:25
  Is that I've read that a lot. It's the her seam he has found,
• 47:30
  or her apex of it, but the seam. I really think that it depends
• 47:37
  on how it's written genuinely, because if there's a lot of
• 47:41
  emphasis on the word where the reader is like on that.
• 47:46
  And it really just depends on like how neuro spicy you are,
• 47:49
  right? Because if you have very
• 47:50
  specific words that you're like, absolutely fucking not.
• 47:53
  Like most people with some sort of atypicality hate the word
• 47:56
  moist. So we try in general not to use
• 48:00
  that unless it's in reference to like, you know, the climate.
• 48:05
  But we're not talking about the climate of my pants.
• 48:07
  Like we're not going to say, you know, my, I don't know.
• 48:10
  I don't know. It always reminds me of what is
• 48:12
  it of? It's like Stifler's mom, but
• 48:15
  she's in the Cinderella story. She's like so moist.
• 48:18
  Yes, Oh my God, you're so good. I love, I love Jennifer
• 48:22
  Coolidge. Isn't that her?
• 48:23
  Name Jennifer Coolidge. Yes, she doing.
• 48:26
  A hot dog, Royce? Yeah.
• 48:28
  Yeah. I love her.
• 48:31
  I love American Pie. She made the movie because she's
• 48:35
  not when you look over the all the franchise of it, she was
• 48:38
  never in the movie very much, but she did such a phenomenal
• 48:44
  job. She is so rememberable and I I
• 48:46
  love Jennifer Coolidge. She's amazing.
• 48:49
  You know, I get that. You'd it depends because I don't
• 48:52
  think I've ever noticed it until you just said it.
• 48:54
  So I don't think it bothers me unless, like you said, you're
• 48:57
  like, there's emphasis and it's just like, seem just like meaty.
• 49:00
  Yeah. It's the same thing with like,
• 49:03
  you know, with with more of like, I don't want to say
• 49:07
  derogatory, but they're more of like slang words for feminine
• 49:11
  genitalia, right? So pussy, cunt, those things, I
• 49:16
  don't mind reading those, but it's very like abrasive and so
• 49:20
  but if it's like if it's woven into the pros in such a way, it
• 49:25
  doesn't feel as like you know what I mean?
• 49:28
  And it really it so it just depends on the finesse the
• 49:33
  writer has with those specific words.
• 49:35
  So like, if you're talking about a seam, you can put it in the in
• 49:40
  the writing in such a way where maybe you can surround it by
• 49:44
  like some beautiful detail, you know.
• 49:46
  And so that way, it's not so like her ass crack, her seam,
• 49:50
  you know, her vagina lips, like we're not.
• 49:53
  Let's be graceful, you know. Well, now let's look on the
• 49:57
  other side of the coin of it. Is there any words that are in
• 50:01
  your mind that are ick to describe the Dick?
• 50:05
  I mean, is there, you know what I mean?
• 50:07
  Is there anything that with your reading and they're writing and
• 50:11
  describing, you know, his Dick? Is there any way that you're
• 50:14
  like? I don't like that, but I always
• 50:17
  giggle whenever they say it? It took two of her hands to to
• 50:21
  grip it. That is like, that's a lot of
• 50:24
  flesh coming at you, you know? The jaw.
• 50:29
  Or like that is no longer pleasurable, that is now
• 50:32
  childbirth. Like straight across the gate.
• 50:35
  Like I, I don't understand, I don't mind a well endowed man,
• 50:40
  but that is insane to me. Like let's be so real about
• 50:44
  this. Like any any woman worth her
• 50:46
  salt, regardless of how many children she's had, regardless
• 50:51
  of how wide her hips may be, a Dick like that is gonna fucking
• 50:56
  hurt. I'm just if we're being
• 50:58
  realistic now, granted, if we're in a fantasy realm, what I know
• 51:01
  my husband is literally came out and looked at me like what I
• 51:07
  we're talking about large penises.
• 51:09
  No big deal. I love you.
• 51:13
  It might be yours. Just kidding.
• 51:15
  Sorry. He's like, Oh dear God, I'm
• 51:17
  running away from. The Office.
• 51:18
  Oh my God this is so funny. I love it.
• 51:22
  OK, but to answer your question really I like the more
• 51:26
  derogatory terms for a man's privates only because I because
• 51:32
  of OK, just men's parts are sort of out there.
• 51:37
  There's nothing mysterious about males genitalia.
• 51:40
  It is there. It is.
• 51:42
  So using words like a Dick and cock feel kind of good for me as
• 51:47
  a reader and a writer. I will say that when you use
• 51:51
  slang like man meat schlong. Stop it.
• 51:59
  Stop that, right? Now, because now I'm now I'm
• 52:04
  laughing and I feel like there are certain parts during like an
• 52:07
  intimate scene where you can giggle, but you shouldn't be
• 52:12
  laughing at the terms that are used like in it.
• 52:17
  Because if you, if you say something that's gonna make me
• 52:20
  laugh and bring me out of it, then I'm then I'm out of it.
• 52:23
  So I I wanna stay in the scene and still like not oh God like.
• 52:30
  Yeah, those words are definitely should be reserved for like the
• 52:33
  girlfriend talk after the fact. Not yeah, definitely not in the
• 52:37
  moment. Exactly.
• 52:39
  And so that's where it's fine. Like that's that's where I find
• 52:42
  it hilarious. But when we're describing said
• 52:45
  parts on the male anatomy. Yeah.
• 52:49
  In the moment, I haven't. Really heard any ick or read any
• 52:52
  ick ones that I can that come to mind thankfully.
• 52:55
  I have enjoyed all descriptions of the Dick from all my books.
• 53:00
  The moments make me giggle sometimes, though, like when
• 53:03
  they springs forward and I always think of those, you know,
• 53:06
  like on the back of the door, you know, like where a doorstop
• 53:09
  is on the spring. That's always what I think of
• 53:12
  when they say sprung out of his pants.
• 53:15
  And it makes me giggle inside my mind.
• 53:17
  And I'll be I'll be reading and I'll be laughing.
• 53:19
  And my husband's like, what are you laughing about?
• 53:20
  Like you don't want to know. Say Dicks about springy Dicks.
• 53:25
  Springy Dicks, Springy Dicks and you.
• 53:27
  Want to read it? And the two and the two hands
• 53:30
  around, it's so large. I just, I always just think of
• 53:33
  that, that wall of penis that's coming at her.
• 53:37
  And it's always these very like in a lot of the books we read,
• 53:40
  they're all these very delicate, very little tiny girls.
• 53:43
  And I'm like, how are they taking this?
• 53:45
  So in it And or they've never had a Dick come near them ever a
• 53:50
  day in their life and they take it like a champion the first
• 53:52
  time when it's like that coming at them.
• 53:56
  You know, one of the one of the So I started writing fantasy
• 54:03
  romance in fan fiction. Oh OK so I wrote a Twilight fan
• 54:09
  fiction I saw. That on your website?
• 54:11
  OK, yes. So which by the way, my my
• 54:14
  website is changing. Please don't judge me, OK?
• 54:16
  I had no idea what I was doing. It's it's getting redone.
• 54:20
  At least you have 1, so yeah, that is.
• 54:22
  True. Good.
• 54:23
  For you, so I have, I have this really incredible woman from
• 54:26
  Hawthorne and Astor who's going to be who's going to be
• 54:30
  rebuilding the website and it's going to look gorgeous because
• 54:33
  I'm also a person that really loves like tarot cards and
• 54:37
  stuff. And this is how I knew she was
• 54:39
  my person because she was like, so you told me you like jewel
• 54:42
  tones and you told me you like like celestial vibes and stuff.
• 54:46
  How do you feel like the Weaver tarot card deck?
• 54:49
  And I'm like, are you kidding me?
• 54:51
  That's like the deck I've used for like like over like a
• 54:54
  decade. I'm like synchronicity.
• 54:59
  So she's going to rebuild it with that being the muse as this
• 55:02
  beautiful tarot card deck. So I'm very excited.
• 55:06
  Very, very pretty. Like gold accents with like
• 55:09
  Blues and purples and pink tones.
• 55:11
  And I'm just like, Oh my God. So it's going to be gorgeous.
• 55:15
  I digress. The Twilight fan fiction.
• 55:18
  I started writing that because I grew up with Twilight.
• 55:21
  I was in love with Twilight. I was a total twyhard like nerd
• 55:27
  in love. I could not pick between Edward
• 55:29
  and Jacob because they were both fantasy creatures that I would
• 55:33
  just bend over for no problem. Like, you know what I mean?
• 55:38
  So I I, yeah, and but like as my frontal lobe.
• 55:43
  Developed. And I realized I'm like, so
• 55:48
  Bella's being groomed the entire time.
• 55:52
  And it's like, I don't, I don't like that a whole lot.
• 55:56
  And so I wanted to create a story where Bella gets the
• 56:00
  opportunity to make a choice about, you know, about getting
• 56:04
  married and having children because those are huge societal
• 56:08
  pieces of, of, of women's history and their future in a
• 56:13
  sense, you know, what they get to make a choice about.
• 56:16
  And so, you know, it just, it gave me a lot of ick reading it
• 56:21
  later or watching it later, seeing that like, well, I will
• 56:26
  change you if you marry me. And it's like, yeah.
• 56:31
  And the fact that he was like, she wanted to have the baby that
• 56:34
  she didn't really ever wanted to get pregnant with, but OK, here
• 56:37
  we are. And then he was like, I don't
• 56:39
  want to get rid of it. And it's just like, what the
• 56:43
  fuck is this? What is this?
• 56:45
  Who is this person? We don't like him, but somehow
• 56:47
  we love him and I don't like it. And it's, I mean, anyway,
• 56:51
  anyway, the the fan fiction starts a new moon after Edwards
• 56:56
  left and he so he's gone and she meets Paula Hote and Jake.
• 57:04
  So she knows Jacob Black. She's best friends with Jacob
• 57:07
  Black. I didn't go with her and Jacob
• 57:09
  Black being the thing, but I did with Paula Hote and hear, hear,
• 57:14
  hear me out here. Do you guys remember who Paul
• 57:17
  was? I remember Paul, yeah.
• 57:20
  I don't remember, I only watched the movies and it's been another
• 57:23
  while. That's great.
• 57:25
  So Paul was the one who fazed in front of her first, and she
• 57:29
  punched him in the face. OK, OK.
• 57:32
  She didn't like him. Can work with.
• 57:33
  That she didn't like him. No, I like that.
• 57:36
  I like that a whole lot. I'm like, I can work with that.
• 57:39
  I can do the I hate you. The enemies to lovers did not I
• 57:46
  love. Enemies to love us.
• 57:47
  Very unexpected, yes? I like I like that a lot.
• 57:51
  So I was I'm very proud of the fan fiction.
• 57:53
  I mean, granted, it's a little bit earlier writing, so it's not
• 57:56
  as like maybe as mature as it is now.
• 57:59
  I still love it, though. I I've read that that story
• 58:03
  several times. Am I biased?
• 58:05
  Abso fucking lutely. But I still love the story, like
• 58:08
  I love how it turned out and I still have Victoria in there as
• 58:11
  like the the big bad. And towards the end, when she
• 58:14
  actually does confront Edward, she fucking lets him have it.
• 58:18
  And it's honest. It's like you left and you said
• 58:20
  you didn't want me anymore. How was I supposed to interpret
• 58:23
  that? I'm not going to be on your back
• 58:25
  burner. You know, my whole life waiting
• 58:28
  for you to come back. And that was what I wanted her
• 58:30
  to say. You know, like I'm not getting
• 58:33
  married to you. If you don't want to change me
• 58:34
  into a vampire because you're an asshole, that is your choice.
• 58:37
  But I do not want to get married so eat a Dick.
• 58:41
  I have feelings. I wish Heather was here because
• 58:43
  Heather is a giant Twilight fan and I send her memes all the
• 58:48
  time. Like I find stuff and it's like,
• 58:52
  like people will have a cake and it's sparkly and it's like, this
• 58:55
  is the skin of a killer Bella killer.
• 58:57
  Bella. Cake of a killer.
• 58:59
  I send her all different things and Oh my God, Now I've said
• 59:03
  this before in a couple other episodes, but do you remember
• 59:06
  it's it's Mystery Science 3000, I think is what it's called.
• 59:10
  I think that's the actual quick name.
• 59:12
  I keep calling it other things. It was on TV years ago.
• 59:15
  Yeah. And remember, they were like
• 59:17
  little puppet guys, but they were like making fun of movies.
• 59:20
  Well, they. Silhouettes.
• 59:21
  Yeah, OK. Well, they have a website.
• 59:25
  It's something else that I can't remember now.
• 59:26
  Again, I don't remember the website.
• 59:27
  I have to look again that you can download where you buy them
• 59:32
  and you can download it and watch the entire Twilight series
• 59:35
  with them talking and giving commentary and they said it
• 59:37
  makes it so much better and it's hilarious.
• 59:41
  You can see the preview of it on there and you listen to it and
• 59:45
  it's Oh my God, it's hilarious. I.
• 59:49
  Love Twilight. I remember so I went to the
• 59:51
  movies by myself because I had no other friends that like.
• 59:55
  Twilight. But it's so funny.
• 59:57
  So I went, I showed up by myself to go watch it like in the
• 1:00:00
  middle of the day. And one of the girls I, I used
• 1:00:02
  to coach water polo because I played.
• 1:00:04
  And so like right after high school, I started coaching it
• 1:00:06
  and one of the girls with her mom was there.
• 1:00:10
  They're like, do you want to sit with us?
• 1:00:12
  And it was like so. Very.
• 1:00:13
  It was very sweet, but it was like so embarrassing that I'm
• 1:00:16
  like, I'm here watching Twilight by myself.
• 1:00:19
  You're like. Take out.
• 1:00:21
  So I'm like sure, I'll sit with you guys.
• 1:00:23
  I would have been totally fine by myself, but.
• 1:00:25
  Man, that would have been funny. If you've been like, I'm this is
• 1:00:28
  me time, Yes, Yeah. This is me and my with my Edward
• 1:00:33
  and and Jacob's shirt underneath all my clothing.
• 1:00:36
  Yeah, let me sit peacefully. And yeah, OK, but I freaking
• 1:00:41
  loved it. But now that you bring that up,
• 1:00:42
  like I think if I had, I were to read it again as an adult, I
• 1:00:45
  feel the exact same way. And like, she didn't even have
• 1:00:48
  time to decide what she wanted in life, really.
• 1:00:52
  Yeah, she was 1718. And you know, also there's that
• 1:00:57
  whole like sort of pedo vibe a little bit, you know, cuz she's
• 1:01:04
  18. Yeah, yeah.
• 1:01:06
  Like I feel like it'd be a little bit different if she was
• 1:01:08
  in like her mid 20s maybe she's still pretty young, but
• 1:01:13
  seventeen, really 17? Is there?
• 1:01:15
  In high school, yeah. Yeah.
• 1:01:17
  And he's 107. Yeah.
• 1:01:19
  I mean, he's stuck in a 17 year old body, but still.
• 1:01:21
  Still, I mean well, men's minds and men they're.
• 1:01:25
  Posing. It takes them a long time to
• 1:01:27
  mature, to get to our level, yeah.
• 1:01:30
  Maybe. It does take 100 years.
• 1:01:32
  Never been kissed how it was like that.
• 1:01:34
  Like I loved that movie and now I'm like that's creepy as fuck.
• 1:01:37
  And he got mad when she wasn't a student.
• 1:01:41
  Right. I thought you were so icky.
• 1:01:44
  You know you go. Back.
• 1:01:45
  You go back and you look at a lot of different, like like
• 1:01:49
  movies and stuff that we liked and different songs.
• 1:01:51
  Like the 80s had a lot of songs that were very creepy.
• 1:01:56
  When you listen to him because there's one, isn't it?
• 1:01:59
  And he's saying she's only 16, It's oh, God, it's a bad.
• 1:02:04
  Do you know what I'm talking about?
• 1:02:05
  Because when you actually break it down and you listen to it,
• 1:02:08
  that is creepy. Yeah.
• 1:02:11
  It's been it's been a long road for women being objectified at a
• 1:02:15
  very young age. Well, how do we feel about
• 1:02:19
  because you know, a guitar 6 is coming out, You know, what do we
• 1:02:21
  feel now about book 1? You know, with because Pharaoh
• 1:02:25
  was well, technically she was, wasn't she?
• 1:02:27
  She was 19 and then she had 500 year old Tamlin there or
• 1:02:32
  whatever how old he is. Oh God, don't get me started on
• 1:02:35
  Tamlin and how toxic that guy is.
• 1:02:39
  Yeah, I mean, for you, look at how he treated her.
• 1:02:41
  And she was so young, too. And, you know, and then she ends
• 1:02:45
  up, you know, because most people who have listened to us,
• 1:02:48
  they listen to our podcast, you know, with Reese and, you know,
• 1:02:52
  he's 500 years. I mean, did it take them that
• 1:02:55
  long in their age, how old they are to become mature enough men
• 1:02:59
  to be able to deal with a woman? Because sometimes I think men,
• 1:03:04
  you know, men have to. I mean, you get men even at 25,
• 1:03:09
  I still don't know if they're mature enough at that age.
• 1:03:13
  You know what I mean? Men mature at a very much slower
• 1:03:16
  rate than women need to. Be 500 years old.
• 1:03:20
  So that's what I'm saying. So maybe they need to be 500
• 1:03:23
  years old. Maybe.
• 1:03:23
  Tamlin needs another 100 years. Or you supported Mr. Tamlin,
• 1:03:28
  ma'am, You wanted to change him. Sorry, I can't I.
• 1:03:32
  Can change him, it's totally fine.
• 1:03:34
  Honestly I kind of feel like if Nesta were to be mates with
• 1:03:39
  Tamlin she'd probably whip him right into shape.
• 1:03:42
  Because this is where I feel like the toxic masculinity can
• 1:03:44
  really make some solid change is if they have a matriarchy that
• 1:03:49
  is like no fuck off how about that like I lovely not.
• 1:03:55
  I love Nesta. Boundaries.
• 1:03:57
  Try me. There's there's a girl on
• 1:04:00
  Instagram, I'm sure you guys have seen her and she plays all
• 1:04:03
  the parts like on a guitar and she's the one she has like all
• 1:04:06
  the vines on her ceiling and she plays Nesta and she's so mean to
• 1:04:12
  reset and stuff. Have you ever seen her?
• 1:04:16
  She's hilarious. Oh my God, I'll have to find her
• 1:04:20
  again. She does all the parts though,
• 1:04:23
  like like, and then she's Cassian and Cassian always wants
• 1:04:27
  to see Reese and man junk and and she does all these and
• 1:04:33
  again, it's all her playing all the parts and she's Nesta and
• 1:04:37
  she's very, you know, the way Nest is.
• 1:04:40
  I always loved Nesta myself personally.
• 1:04:43
  Like a lot of people are very polarized with her.
• 1:04:47
  They either love her or they hated her.
• 1:04:49
  But I, I always loved Nesta just, I mean, they went through
• 1:04:54
  some trauma. I don't know why everybody
• 1:04:57
  thought she was just going to be like, you know, and then not
• 1:05:01
  have like silver flames like where she's going through it and
• 1:05:05
  people, I'm not sure what people were wanting from her.
• 1:05:08
  I think what we're going to see with Elaine, I think Elaine's
• 1:05:11
  like a sleeper cell. Well, you know what I mean.
• 1:05:13
  I'm hoping. Yeah, well, she said that she's
• 1:05:16
  been through a lot, you know, and then there's with Lucian and
• 1:05:20
  and all that kind of stuff. Is he going to will that bond?
• 1:05:23
  Is it truly real? Is it is she going to break that
• 1:05:27
  bond? But I think we're just seeing
• 1:05:31
  the tip of the iceberg of Elaine.
• 1:05:34
  I think she's one of those people like we'll just talk
• 1:05:37
  about Bridgerton. You know how the one character,
• 1:05:41
  because in case people haven't watched Burcherton, she is
• 1:05:44
  hiding in plain sight the whole time.
• 1:05:48
  Is it? Is Elaine the same kind of
• 1:05:50
  thing? Is she hiding in plain sight, or
• 1:05:54
  at least her? Strength, right?
• 1:05:56
  The part of her that's really going to shine, you know what I
• 1:06:01
  mean? Because she's, you know, it's
• 1:06:03
  described that she's very soft and very feminine and very
• 1:06:06
  beautiful. And it's not that I think that
• 1:06:09
  she is a little, she seems meek, you know, and at least that's
• 1:06:16
  how she's written right now. And I think that's probably
• 1:06:18
  where we're like, OK, but the Archer on sisters are pretty
• 1:06:25
  badass in general. I mean, it's like even even with
• 1:06:28
  Feyra and all the the things that she had to work up against,
• 1:06:32
  she fought against it and worked it out, you know what I mean?
• 1:06:36
  And it's it's crazy with with Nesta, she it's funny, I feel
• 1:06:41
  like her her biggest issue was herself, right?
• 1:06:44
  And her own, Like, she had walls and her terrible attitude that
• 1:06:51
  like, you know, kept her from making meaningful relationships
• 1:06:54
  with people. And I loved the the
• 1:06:58
  indoctrination of the other women in her situation where
• 1:07:02
  they're training to be Valkyries.
• 1:07:04
  And Cassian was just sort of like, they're like, OK, well,
• 1:07:08
  I'm going to train you guys, you know?
• 1:07:11
  And the only thing I didn't really like in the end with
• 1:07:14
  Nesta is the the idea of her giving up her power to save
• 1:07:21
  Pharaoh. She never won it.
• 1:07:23
  She hated it. Like she was like talking about
• 1:07:25
  how she didn't want it. So it seemed, it almost seemed
• 1:07:29
  kind of self-serving in the end. It was a really beautiful way to
• 1:07:32
  conclude the, it was a beautiful way to show that she actually
• 1:07:36
  did love her sister and that she wanted to save her.
• 1:07:40
  And that was a big thing for her, right?
• 1:07:41
  Because she, you know, she was always about Nesta.
• 1:07:46
  You know what I mean? Like I'm about me.
• 1:07:48
  I'm about like my boundaries don't cross me La La la.
• 1:07:51
  But then she's faced with like, you have to give, you know what
• 1:07:55
  I mean? And so it felt like, it was
• 1:07:56
  like, well, I'm going to give you the thing that I didn't want
• 1:07:59
  in the 1st place. So it was sort of, that was the
• 1:08:01
  only thing that I was just kind of like, I feel like if it was
• 1:08:03
  something that she couldn't part with, you know, if it was a part
• 1:08:07
  of herself that she loved and she had to give it, you know?
• 1:08:13
  It wasn't true sacrifice. That, that part.
• 1:08:17
  And that's, that's the only thing that I'm kind of like, OK,
• 1:08:19
  but you know, but I, I, I too have a very like polarized
• 1:08:26
  relationship with Nesta's character because I absolutely
• 1:08:29
  love her strength of will and her like, her boundaries are
• 1:08:34
  absolutely stunning. You know what I mean?
• 1:08:37
  In every respect? Because literally nobody,
• 1:08:40
  everybody's walking on egg shells around her because she's
• 1:08:42
  just like, I'll fucking beat your ass.
• 1:08:44
  Like, how about that? You know, and I love that
• 1:08:47
  mentality because it's strong and it's, but it's also
• 1:08:51
  abrasive, you know what I mean? And it can be very challenging
• 1:08:54
  to connect with somebody who's that.
• 1:08:58
  Yeah. Oh, she's definitely bristly.
• 1:09:01
  I don't know, maybe we'll see more or we'll see more about
• 1:09:06
  her. I I have so many, so many
• 1:09:09
  theories. I have found so many theories
• 1:09:12
  leading into it, into book six and seven and eight.
• 1:09:17
  I'm excited to see if any of the theories that were out on the
• 1:09:21
  interwebs, if any of them hold weight.
• 1:09:25
  But I mean, we did get to see a little bit more of Nesta there.
• 1:09:29
  When you read Crescent City 3 and you see, because that's
• 1:09:32
  after, you know, even a little further down the line.
• 1:09:36
  I mean, she still has that bristleness.
• 1:09:40
  She she does, she does not become like, like Elaine and
• 1:09:45
  become sweet and kind. But I'd, I don't think she was
• 1:09:48
  raised to ever be that. Because when you read about Mama
• 1:09:51
  R Trunk as again we don't have her name and I I am not sold
• 1:09:56
  100%. Did Mama Archeron truly die?
• 1:10:00
  Yeah, I mean, and that is a that is a rule in all kind of like
• 1:10:05
  entertainment, creative entertainment facets.
• 1:10:06
  So like writing and like on movies and TV shows, like if you
• 1:10:10
  don't actually see them die, are they actually dead?
• 1:10:14
  Because like the only one I'm convinced of is the father,
• 1:10:17
  right? Because we saw him on page.
• 1:10:19
  Die. Yes, he died, and we know they
• 1:10:22
  did the ashes. All that we know, supposedly the
• 1:10:24
  mother died. I have a lot of theories of who
• 1:10:27
  the mother is. You know, I don't Do I think
• 1:10:31
  she's human? No, I don't really think she is
• 1:10:34
  because the reason that that plays in for me there is because
• 1:10:39
  when not so much Pharaoh, Pharaoh, the way she became,
• 1:10:43
  what she ended up becoming, you know, because she got all of it
• 1:10:46
  from all the high Lords. That's how she became.
• 1:10:48
  But when the two sisters went into the Cauldron and they came
• 1:10:52
  out High Faye, not just lesser Faye, because they could have,
• 1:10:56
  the cauldron could have spitted them out as anything, but they
• 1:10:59
  were all High Faye. I think it's because there's
• 1:11:02
  something more with their lineage and the cauldron knows
• 1:11:05
  like comes to like and I think and plus what they are because I
• 1:11:11
  think, like I said, Lane's a sleeper cell.
• 1:11:14
  I think she is something more. I there's a possibility that
• 1:11:18
  because we know the grandmother was mentioned because she's the
• 1:11:21
  one that gave Nesta dance lessons and all that stuff and
• 1:11:25
  was very stern and angry. And the mother, we know she was
• 1:11:30
  very stern. And why did she, out of her
• 1:11:33
  three daughters, tell the youngest to take care of the
• 1:11:37
  family? Why didn't she tell Nesta this,
• 1:11:39
  her oldest daughter? Why did she put all the weight
• 1:11:42
  to take care of the family on her youngest child?
• 1:11:45
  There's, I mean, there's a lot, but I think I, I, I just have a
• 1:11:49
  feeling that she's not dead because they never say about
• 1:11:52
  going to visit her grave. They never mention any of that.
• 1:11:56
  So are we sure? Because they made sure to do
• 1:12:00
  something for the dad, They have a monument, but nothing they,
• 1:12:04
  she never mentioned. Maybe it's just just, you know,
• 1:12:07
  at the time when SGM was writing and she just didn't think
• 1:12:10
  anything of it. But I don't think she does
• 1:12:15
  anything for not a reason. Do you know what I mean?
• 1:12:18
  I think she has things very well planned out.
• 1:12:21
  And I think This is why she she likes to do just like when the
• 1:12:24
  girl was talking to her in March and she's like, why is there a
• 1:12:27
  pool of moonlight in the Supreme Court?
• 1:12:29
  She goes who, who, who talk, comes up with these theories.
• 1:12:33
  They're like, you do like. And she's like, oh, she's like,
• 1:12:37
  yeah, that's me. I have a theory with that too.
• 1:12:39
  Why there's a pool of moonlight? Why do you why do you think
• 1:12:42
  there's a pool of moonlight? I actually, to be honest, I
• 1:12:48
  never even thought about it. I know me either.
• 1:12:52
  Bad now this again I have researched so many theories so
• 1:13:00
  some of these theories have me convinced on this one.
• 1:13:03
  Now if this is my mind, I again, like you said, if we don't see
• 1:13:07
  the bodies, you know, I think that Reese and sister is still
• 1:13:13
  alive. Oh yeah, same.
• 1:13:14
  And I think she had a relationship with Tamlin and I
• 1:13:18
  think she created the Pool of Moonlight because why would
• 1:13:22
  there be something of night in the Spring Court, OK.
• 1:13:26
  And, and I think when all the bad stuff was happening, you
• 1:13:32
  know, I don't know if the mothers it, you know, even if
• 1:13:35
  resents mother's truly dead, even though they said their
• 1:13:37
  wings were hung up in the Supreme Court, who said that
• 1:13:40
  those were their wings? We don't know.
• 1:13:42
  And then when Feyer went to look for them, they're missing, he
• 1:13:46
  said. He got rid of were like they
• 1:13:49
  were friends before all that. So yeah, I and to to point to
• 1:13:53
  what you were saying about like SJM kind of like leaving those
• 1:13:58
  little things. I feel like that's actually a
• 1:14:01
  really smart thing to do as an author only because it's like,
• 1:14:05
  'cause I'll, I'll do that with certain things like in, in in
• 1:14:09
  books, because it's like, it leaves you that little bit of
• 1:14:12
  opportunity to expand or to like bring in something where the
• 1:14:16
  readers like, wait a minute, you mean this thing and this book
• 1:14:20
  and what you know, and it's it, it just, it's.
• 1:14:24
  I love Easter eggs. Yeah.
• 1:14:27
  Oh, I love it. And then a lot of times you
• 1:14:28
  don't realize that of course it's an Easter egg until you
• 1:14:31
  know you're into another book into it.
• 1:14:33
  And then you're like, wait, I remember this.
• 1:14:37
  This is why a lot of times I like to annotate in my books.
• 1:14:39
  You know, I do the little tabs, but I mean, oh, I, I think
• 1:14:43
  there's so many possibilities now, like in your, in your
• 1:14:45
  series here. Do you, your have you put, are
• 1:14:50
  there little Easter eggs first to find and survive?
• 1:14:53
  Absolutely. Yes, yes, so more.
• 1:14:56
  Exciting. Uh huh.
• 1:14:58
  Yes. So just be like, pay attention
• 1:15:00
  to all the little things because at some point.
• 1:15:03
  It'll all make sense. It'll.
• 1:15:04
  All make sense. Yes.
• 1:15:06
  So your series that you've done with I'm sorry.
• 1:15:11
  B Stephens. B Stephens.
• 1:15:12
  There we go. How does that work as far I've
• 1:15:16
  been so interested in hearing from your perspective like how
• 1:15:19
  that works writing with somebody else.
• 1:15:21
  Obviously you must be able to work well together, yes.
• 1:15:24
  Do you guys physically see each other or are you states away or
• 1:15:28
  how does what is that like so? It she lives in, in she lives in
• 1:15:33
  a different state and I live, I live in California and she just,
• 1:15:36
  she just lives. No, I didn't.
• 1:15:38
  Do that. Yeah, Oh my God, we can hang
• 1:15:40
  out. That makes me really happy.
• 1:15:41
  So I'm in. I'm in Northern California and
• 1:15:44
  she's in Nevada, so she's not that far.
• 1:15:47
  We could do the drive. It's just a long day of driving.
• 1:15:52
  Like she did that yesterday because I got a big shipment of
• 1:15:55
  inventory so that we could do signed copies for like what I
• 1:15:59
  was saying. So signed copies are now
• 1:16:00
  available in the TikTok shop and everything, but so she came and
• 1:16:06
  we signed all the So but to answer your question, we, I
• 1:16:11
  think we complement each other really well.
• 1:16:13
  I think it would be hard if like, you know, we were really,
• 1:16:18
  really similar in things because she's very structured and she is
• 1:16:26
  really good with like planning things and whatnot.
• 1:16:28
  And I am, I mean, I can be, but I'm very much like it.
• 1:16:32
  Let's just do it. So she's been really excellent
• 1:16:37
  about like keeping things really structured.
• 1:16:40
  And so we came up with like a system of like, you know, we
• 1:16:44
  storyboarded everything and then we created a chapter draft for
• 1:16:48
  each book. And so that way it kind of gives
• 1:16:50
  us a road map of where we're going with each chapter.
• 1:16:53
  So that way like, and we go through it will take like a day
• 1:16:56
  or two and talk about, OK, where are we going with with this
• 1:17:00
  book? So recently it was book 3.
• 1:17:02
  So we were like, OK, where do we want this to end?
• 1:17:05
  How do we want these? How do we want the character
• 1:17:07
  arcs to look? And we usually work on plot
• 1:17:12
  burst and then we pepper in the spice as we need to, right?
• 1:17:15
  Because we both we we are at heart dark romance readers, you
• 1:17:19
  know what I mean? So we want to give a lot of our
• 1:17:24
  reader base what they like, which is excellent plot with the
• 1:17:28
  delicious spice at the same time, right?
• 1:17:31
  So we we work on that and then we put it on our chapter draft
• 1:17:36
  and then we write separately. But then we put it all in like a
• 1:17:40
  word doc. And then we edit each other's
• 1:17:42
  work as we go and we try and maintain each other's voice.
• 1:17:48
  Like I have a certain way that I like to write and she does too.
• 1:17:51
  And we want that to be showcased in the books and in each chapter
• 1:17:56
  because she writes from the perspective of a lead and Zamp.
• 1:17:59
  And let me just tell you Zanth fucking stroke of genius on
• 1:18:03
  Bee's part. I mean the fact that he is a
• 1:18:06
  blue dragon and he's like 7 feet tall and he has 9 piercings in
• 1:18:11
  his cock. Oh, OK.
• 1:18:15
  I like that, I asked. I asked my husband if he would
• 1:18:20
  ever do, if he would ever get a piercing there.
• 1:18:22
  He informed me no, he will not do that for me.
• 1:18:26
  It's like negative ghostwriter. We are not doing any of.
• 1:18:29
  That that's what your books are for.
• 1:18:31
  Yes, yes, you get to disappear into your little fantasies with
• 1:18:37
  the pierced penises of your male main characters.
• 1:18:40
  Enjoy. So yeah, she that was like, and
• 1:18:45
  then a lot of people really, really love Xanth because she
• 1:18:49
  did such a good job of creating this character that's like he's
• 1:18:54
  he's kind of an asshole, like kind of an asshole.
• 1:18:57
  But he's also like, this is his arc, you know what I mean?
• 1:19:00
  He refuses to be with Phoenix's. He sleeps with only, he sleeps
• 1:19:06
  with one person one time and not any more than that.
• 1:19:09
  And he's a drug Lord. He has an underground,
• 1:19:14
  underground like drug operation, you know what I mean?
• 1:19:17
  And they're all shifters in this world.
• 1:19:19
  So Alicia is a myriad of animal shifters, but the ones that
• 1:19:23
  really rule are the fire wielding shifter.
• 1:19:26
  So the phoenixes and the Dragons and so and they hate each other.
• 1:19:30
  They've hated each other for thousands of years, and so it's
• 1:19:34
  been warring against who gets dominance and that sort of
• 1:19:37
  things. And then when the humans come
• 1:19:40
  into the picture, this is where the cyberpunk element gets
• 1:19:43
  brought into play. Their only bargaining chip
• 1:19:47
  really is their capacity to incorporate machinery into like,
• 1:19:52
  not only their defense, but their offense.
• 1:19:55
  And so they, they enhance their own bodies with machine, but
• 1:20:00
  then they also utilize almost like, you know, an avatar where
• 1:20:03
  they have this like like robotic exoskeleton that they can come
• 1:20:06
  in and come out of. We have something similar that
• 1:20:09
  they use to gain territory and take over Elysia.
• 1:20:16
  So and then they recall it Altus, because of the main, the
• 1:20:20
  main guy that created the machines that gave them the leg
• 1:20:23
  up. And so that's where a lot of the
• 1:20:26
  conflict comes into play is the humans are taking over and they
• 1:20:30
  built this gigantic prison called Iron Skate.
• 1:20:34
  And that's where they're shoving a lot of the more dangerous
• 1:20:38
  shifters, or really any shifters into.
• 1:20:41
  And that's where the main characters are when you first
• 1:20:45
  get into survive because they're surviving the prison.
• 1:20:48
  Yeah. Got it.
• 1:20:49
  OK. Yeah.
• 1:20:51
  So when I had seen like the covers, I was, I was wondering
• 1:20:54
  just based off of that because, you know, a lot of people judge
• 1:20:57
  the book by the cover. And so I was thinking like, oh,
• 1:21:00
  is it sci-fi? I like how you explained the the
• 1:21:03
  cyberpunk. So it's not really sci-fi or
• 1:21:06
  right. No, so it's more like
• 1:21:08
  traditional fantasy with like the cyberpunk.
• 1:21:10
  Yeah, it's really cool. Yes.
• 1:21:12
  It's very, it's different like I that's unique.
• 1:21:16
  I don't really see much of that. Yeah, and that's what we were
• 1:21:19
  trying to go for. We wanted to have something a
• 1:21:21
  little bit different because there's, I mean, there's a lots
• 1:21:24
  of shifter fantasy out there, you know what I mean?
• 1:21:27
  And a lot of people really love that.
• 1:21:29
  But how can we mix in a different kind of scenario?
• 1:21:33
  Where, you know, and the world itself, I mean, is it very like
• 1:21:38
  heavy fantasy or would you say it's more like an urban kind of
• 1:21:42
  setting like that you just drop right into?
• 1:21:45
  Or how would you describe that for new readers?
• 1:21:47
  So. It is, it's a unique world, but
• 1:21:50
  there is this mix of old world and like very futuristic.
• 1:21:55
  So the cyberpunk really shifts it on like this other side of
• 1:21:58
  the pendulum, right? So the human world, there's a
• 1:22:00
  lot of advanced machinery and that they utilize and there's a
• 1:22:04
  lot of tech and there's a lot of like, you know, you'll see like
• 1:22:07
  labs and stuff and they're experimenting and they're using,
• 1:22:11
  you know, medical grade stuff to like, you know what I mean?
• 1:22:14
  If there's a lot of that. But in the in Ilysia, they
• 1:22:18
  didn't really have a whole lot of stuff like that.
• 1:22:21
  So, you know, a lot of these new things are are kind of new for
• 1:22:25
  them in the last like several centuries, but they've
• 1:22:29
  incorporated it into in their world, right?
• 1:22:32
  So they have cell phones, they have computers, they have
• 1:22:36
  surveillance stuff, but they're used to popping wings and flying
• 1:22:42
  places. They don't really need
• 1:22:43
  transportation. And so they utilize a lot of
• 1:22:48
  that inert ability to get whatever they needed, right.
• 1:22:53
  Whereas as humans, as you know, special as we try to be, you
• 1:22:57
  know, really our magic comes from what we create and usually,
• 1:23:01
  and that's in our tech and our machines.
• 1:23:03
  So it's it is and it isn't, to answer your question, it's, it's
• 1:23:08
  both, which I kind of like the idea of having that old world
• 1:23:12
  and this very futuristic element in place because you kind of get
• 1:23:15
  a little bit of both. Yeah, I really enjoy that.
• 1:23:18
  And I think that people need to hear that distinction sometimes
• 1:23:22
  before picking something up, you know?
• 1:23:24
  So that's, yeah, that's really cool.
• 1:23:27
  Especially like I said, how like with romanticity, sometimes my
• 1:23:29
  head kind of hurts when I'm like building, building worlds and
• 1:23:32
  stuff. So yeah, I'm really excited to
• 1:23:34
  see how you guys brought that to life.
• 1:23:37
  Yeah, I I really love the trajectory of the the book and
• 1:23:41
  where it's going. I think that it's going to be
• 1:23:44
  really awesome at the end. And am I covering your face?
• 1:23:48
  Are you seeing this? OK, good.
• 1:23:50
  I'm like, I'm looking at it. I'm like Chelsea, I'm never here
• 1:23:53
  and I can't. Oh, you can.
• 1:23:54
  You can because you're on your phone, correct?
• 1:23:56
  You can move. You can touch yourself and your
• 1:23:59
  touch yourself. But you know, take your little
• 1:24:01
  take your little all that song, the 80s.
• 1:24:03
  Do you remember that one? And you can bring your picture
• 1:24:06
  up above, above I have, I do want the 80s.
• 1:24:18
  Well, I, you know, I was born in 80s.
• 1:24:20
  So I, I have my soundtracks, you know, on YouTube and then I have
• 1:24:25
  so many of those 80s songs. That's one of them that's on
• 1:24:29
  there. Chelsea is our 90s baby,
• 1:24:33
  correct? So.
• 1:24:35
  It's OK, you're still born in the 1900s, so welcome to the
• 1:24:40
  1900s club or whatever. The fact that my 1990s stuff is
• 1:24:44
  vintage is already like has such a slap in the face.
• 1:24:47
  It's very weird. Have you seen like all the stuff
• 1:24:51
  that's new that's kind of stirrup pants are back.
• 1:24:55
  Why? Why are they bringing that back
• 1:24:58
  stirrup? Pants.
• 1:24:59
  You remember the do you remember the little knit pants?
• 1:25:01
  And it had the little stirrup that goes under your foot.
• 1:25:05
  They had those are back. Those were big.
• 1:25:08
  With leggings, yes, they're back.
• 1:25:12
  It's. You know, I remember things
• 1:25:14
  like, because I graduated in 98, you know, I remember the stuff
• 1:25:19
  that we, you know, like clothes and stuff we had, but it's a lot
• 1:25:22
  of that stuff's back. And again then I I don't know,
• 1:25:27
  some things should be left in the past.
• 1:25:32
  I start. Pants is one of them.
• 1:25:34
  I will take pretty much any pretty much anything apart from
• 1:25:41
  the ultra low rise jeans. Yeah, get those things the fuck
• 1:25:45
  away from me forever, please and thanks.
• 1:25:47
  The fact that I have to not bend in any kind of which way,
• 1:25:53
  otherwise the whole world is going to see my ass crack.
• 1:25:57
  No thank you. I will pass on that.
• 1:26:00
  Yeah, sad. No thank you dude, not
• 1:26:03
  interested. Yeah.
• 1:26:05
  Well, you can keep them. Spears.
• 1:26:07
  Well, I'm glad our the hair thing didn't come back.
• 1:26:10
  Now, mind you, I like to do my Breakfast at Tiffany's kind of
• 1:26:13
  thing. But I used to have bangs and
• 1:26:16
  then I would curl them and I had the big bangs that curled up and
• 1:26:20
  it would take me like an hour getting ready for school and I
• 1:26:23
  had to curl it and had to be just perfect.
• 1:26:26
  What were we thinking? You didn't probably do did
• 1:26:29
  Chelsea, because she you were just that little bit younger.
• 1:26:31
  So you weren't part of that whole hair catastrophe?
• 1:26:34
  Yeah. Because and I had, and then all
• 1:26:38
  the guys I went to school that they had because that was during
• 1:26:41
  the Backstreet Boy era In Sync and they all had the the
• 1:26:45
  highlights in their hair. Oh, yeah.
• 1:26:48
  Well, my husband, he shaves his hair off so we would never see
• 1:26:51
  his hair anyways. But I don't know if I I don't
• 1:26:53
  know what I would think if he did grow his hair out and decide
• 1:26:56
  to across the tips of his hair. Do we do we consider that is
• 1:27:01
  something that we think at the time it looked good on the guys,
• 1:27:04
  We thought back then, but today, would we consider that an ick?
• 1:27:08
  No, Yeah. Yeah, I think so.
• 1:27:10
  I think I'd be like, especially with how like how stark the
• 1:27:20
  blonde was because it was very like blatant.
• 1:27:24
  It's like, what's the names to it at all?
• 1:27:26
  What? What's that chef guy that dyes
• 1:27:28
  his hair and he has it, but it's Guy?
• 1:27:30
  Fieri. Yeah, I don't know why he does
• 1:27:34
  that. I'm not.
• 1:27:35
  He's kind of, it's like he's stuck in that time period.
• 1:27:38
  Well, that's his whole. That's his whole image.
• 1:27:40
  So he's got shit with it. Yeah, exactly.
• 1:27:42
  I guess I don't know if people would recognize him if he went
• 1:27:45
  back to just having his regular hair.
• 1:27:47
  I would be OK if he rebranded like please reprint.
• 1:27:51
  It's really, really not cute to me, but but people like it,
• 1:27:56
  that's fine with me. I would love to go back to our
• 1:28:00
  Nine Piercing Penis dragon shifter.
• 1:28:04
  Yes. Zance.
• 1:28:06
  So Zance. There we go.
• 1:28:08
  I'm just stuck on the penis. I can.
• 1:28:10
  Yeah, he also has a Scottish brogue, just to make matters
• 1:28:14
  worse. I love it.
• 1:28:15
  I apologize in advance. So we have, you have book one,
• 1:28:20
  Survive from the ashes that is out and ready.
• 1:28:23
  And then #2 look at there it is. And then it's beautiful.
• 1:28:28
  Oh, and the the chapter art 2 is really really beautiful.
• 1:28:33
  Beautiful. I love a book with nice art in
• 1:28:36
  it. Right, yes, this was Melissa
• 1:28:38
  Cunningham of Book Love Designs. She does Chantal Tessier's
• 1:28:43
  stuff. That that's the one I know for
• 1:28:46
  sure. I think she does a couple other
• 1:28:48
  ones, but you know, I'm that's. Amazing.
• 1:28:51
  She's well, they now they're only in hardback right now.
• 1:28:53
  Or can you get them in paperback as well?
• 1:28:55
  You can get them in paperback as well.
• 1:28:57
  And we just switched to Kindle or KU, so that way it'll be
• 1:29:03
  available. I think we're still waiting
• 1:29:04
  because we switched because we wanted to do the wide
• 1:29:07
  distribution through Ingram Sparks.
• 1:29:09
  So that way you could get it on Kobo and the library and
• 1:29:13
  everything. But we are finding that not a
• 1:29:14
  lot of people were finding it or reading it that use Kindle.
• 1:29:19
  So we're like just mix it and let's put it on KU.
• 1:29:23
  So that way we more of an audience because that's where it
• 1:29:27
  we're finding more readers were finding it.
• 1:29:29
  So we went ahead and switched. I I feel like it should be on
• 1:29:33
  there, but if it's not, just give it a little bit more time
• 1:29:36
  because you know, it takes it takes Ingram spark a veritable
• 1:29:39
  decade to get anything done because they they don't have
• 1:29:43
  enough people working there. Like it's just literally so.
• 1:29:48
  But yes, the paperback, the ebook and the hardback are all
• 1:29:52
  on Amazon and the the print copies are all on Barnes and
• 1:29:55
  Noble. But the ebook and everything,
• 1:29:57
  that's all on. But we can get signed through
• 1:30:01
  your new TikTok shop And can we also get them through your
• 1:30:04
  website or is it just on TikTok shop?
• 1:30:06
  Yes. So right now I think B is
• 1:30:10
  putting everything on her website.
• 1:30:12
  She has to contact her website person to put it up there.
• 1:30:15
  But now that she has we have the inventory and it's ready to go,
• 1:30:20
  it should be up on her website fairly soon.
• 1:30:24
  Mine. So my website is actually being
• 1:30:26
  worked on and it should be done by the end of June.
• 1:30:32
  OK, cool. So then mine hardback girly.
• 1:30:34
  So that's what I'm going to be looking for.
• 1:30:37
  And then your second book, it is in butt phase and where is that
• 1:30:41
  at? So yes.
• 1:30:45
  Yes, so escape from the ashes, that one.
• 1:30:49
  It's done. It's now we just finished it in
• 1:30:52
  alpha reads and we're inputting all of the, all of the like
• 1:30:58
  stuff and and then we're going to put it in beta.
• 1:31:00
  So it will be ready. I believe in I think we might
• 1:31:06
  try to get it out in winter and and go from there.
• 1:31:10
  But I, I'll, I'll, for now, I'll just say early spring and
• 1:31:14
  hopefully we'll have some surprises by winter.
• 1:31:16
  But we'll see. But we do have the prequel which
• 1:31:20
  tells you why everybody is in the prison that pre-orders are
• 1:31:25
  available now for that, or July 1st is when pre-orders will be
• 1:31:28
  available for that. And then the actual book will
• 1:31:32
  publish in September. OK so we have so book 1 is
• 1:31:37
  technically Survive from the ashes and then the prequel is
• 1:31:41
  Fight from the Ashes. Yes, that one's a point.
• 1:31:44
  Five. OK, got it.
• 1:31:46
  And so should we read that first or second either way?
• 1:31:50
  It's totally fine. Yeah.
• 1:31:51
  You can read survive and then read fight.
• 1:31:54
  It's actually, I kind of enjoyed that a little bit better.
• 1:31:58
  But if you're like one of those people that needs to like have
• 1:32:01
  that done in sequential, that is also fine.
• 1:32:04
  But. Like that because some people
• 1:32:06
  like like me myself, I kind of like going in blind and not
• 1:32:10
  knowing and then being like, oh, now I know the answers, I'm
• 1:32:13
  going back. So I get that.
• 1:32:15
  But yeah, there are a lot of people.
• 1:32:17
  It's like the whole throwing of glass Assassin's blade argument
• 1:32:22
  with people. So yeah, some people say third,
• 1:32:25
  some people say first. And so with yours, I like that.
• 1:32:27
  I like that. We're going to all fight about
• 1:32:28
  it. So we're going to bring this up
• 1:32:31
  on on Instagram and TikTok. Yes, please.
• 1:32:34
  About the yeah, the reading order.
• 1:32:36
  So. But that one's not out yet.
• 1:32:38
  It is coming soon. Yes, yes we can pre-order July
• 1:32:42
  1st and then September is when it should be publishing.
• 1:32:47
  I don't have, we don't have a date specific date yet but I
• 1:32:50
  will be updating the socials as soon as we have that.
• 1:32:54
  But the cover just dropped and it is so pretty next to each
• 1:32:59
  other. They look so good.
• 1:33:00
  And that was one of the things we want, like, each book to
• 1:33:05
  like, really flow with one another when they're right next
• 1:33:08
  to each other and like Melissa. Did such.
• 1:33:10
  Oh, they are very pretty covers. Yeah, the feathers are so
• 1:33:13
  pretty, they almost look like little butterflies.
• 1:33:15
  Yes, yeah, yeah. And I love.
• 1:33:18
  Them right now, they're gorgeous.
• 1:33:20
  Right. Yeah.
• 1:33:20
  So I like that she put like the machine hand and fight with the
• 1:33:25
  fluttering feathers. I'm like shop that looks so
• 1:33:29
  good. Now, is that an Easter egg with
• 1:33:34
  the with what's on the cover and that is that giving any?
• 1:33:38
  Is there any little thoughts with that?
• 1:33:40
  Or like subliminal messages? Yeah, so it's really, honestly,
• 1:33:44
  it's just a nod to the phoenixes, really.
• 1:33:47
  It's not merely. I'm sorry, I'm not nearly as
• 1:33:49
  cool. I'm sorry, but like, you know,
• 1:33:53
  the bird, we liked the idea of a bird cage.
• 1:33:56
  You know what I mean? Because it's it's you know, it's
• 1:33:59
  just like with the prison and stuff like that.
• 1:34:00
  It's a good way of like, hey, people are they're in prison.
• 1:34:05
  But like the feathers. I think that was more of just
• 1:34:08
  like this is had mixed meanings, right?
• 1:34:12
  Not to the phoenixes, right, because they're birds.
• 1:34:15
  But also, you know, that it's, it's part of the whole aesthetic
• 1:34:20
  of being in prison and those work bird cages and birds being
• 1:34:24
  in the cage. That's sort of like the whole
• 1:34:26
  idea around like the Astros or, you know, the shifters with they
• 1:34:30
  called Astros in Malaysia being in those cages.
• 1:34:34
  Yeah. So yeah, I like them.
• 1:34:36
  I think they're very pretty covers.
• 1:34:37
  I think I'm a I'm a cover snob and I have to tell you they are,
• 1:34:42
  I'm looking at them right, that they are beautiful.
• 1:34:44
  So I think everyone will I like, I think they will look very
• 1:34:47
  pretty together like you said. And that was that was very
• 1:34:52
  important for B and I to make sure that they had that like
• 1:34:56
  running aesthetic and that they looked really beautiful next to
• 1:34:59
  each other on a shelf. And then once the series is
• 1:35:04
  completed and they're all out, we really are excited to do
• 1:35:08
  special editions. So that way we get the sprayed
• 1:35:10
  edges and they all follow that. Yeah, girl, that is my.
• 1:35:16
  Favorite I I have just started getting sprayed edges.
• 1:35:23
  So I have a few books, but I showed you, I sent you the link
• 1:35:27
  to my to our friend Cassandra that we have.
• 1:35:30
  I have never seen somebody have so many sprayed edges as her.
• 1:35:35
  Yeah, because she's I, she has to be getting close to like
• 1:35:40
  2000. I know she's over 1000 books.
• 1:35:43
  I know she has to be at least probably around 1500 because and
• 1:35:48
  she's so, but you look at it, it's just like, I just want to,
• 1:35:51
  I want to live in her library. And I think that's why she made
• 1:35:55
  it the way that she did, because she's like, I want this library
• 1:35:58
  to look so good. And she did exactly that.
• 1:36:02
  It's. Beautiful and I'm just like
• 1:36:04
  every time. But Chelsea's behind her there.
• 1:36:07
  She has some absolute beautiful ones.
• 1:36:09
  Yeah, it's getting there. Yeah.
• 1:36:12
  She has a lot of beautiful sprayed edges too.
• 1:36:14
  That's gorgeous. Like.
• 1:36:16
  I said I'm a very like hardcover.
• 1:36:18
  If I can get it signed then hell yeah all the things.
• 1:36:22
  Yes, all the things. All the things.
• 1:36:24
  The spray edge, the sign, the hardcover.
• 1:36:27
  Yes. All of it.
• 1:36:28
  And you've been decorating your shelves and stuff with your
• 1:36:31
  Pretty Little things and stuff, too.
• 1:36:32
  She's been doing some cute things.
• 1:36:34
  I've been looking since my husband.
• 1:36:37
  I've been going out and I've been getting different things
• 1:36:39
  for my bookcase. I got carnival glass and I've
• 1:36:42
  been buying Dragons. I have a dragon and he's up
• 1:36:47
  there by my Is it the wings? Blood Wings on blood?
• 1:36:51
  What is that one called Blood wing?
• 1:36:54
  Blood Wing Academy. Blood Wing Academy, Yeah.
• 1:36:56
  Yes, I have those because they all have those.
• 1:36:59
  Yeah, I have the prequel series and I have all of the the ones
• 1:37:02
  that are out, but I haven't got them yet.
• 1:37:04
  But they have the dragon scales and stuff.
• 1:37:06
  So I have that. And then I have a baby dragon
• 1:37:08
  coming out of an egg. I have different things like
• 1:37:11
  that and I have spiders that are glitter spiders and things like
• 1:37:17
  that on my bookcase. That's my I Like dark vibes.
• 1:37:21
  So when I get your From the Ashes series, I'm going to have
• 1:37:27
  to get a dragon, I'm going to have to get a phoenix.
• 1:37:31
  What else am I going to need? Well, I would tell you the other
• 1:37:33
  one, but then that would be giving away the biggest part of
• 1:37:37
  the. Case.
• 1:37:38
  So I'm going to wait to tell you that last OK until after you
• 1:37:42
  read it. And then you go, first of all,
• 1:37:45
  just be ready to be mad at me because I wrote that last
• 1:37:48
  chapter and everybody's like, generally, how dare you?
• 1:37:53
  Who? Do you think you are?
• 1:37:55
  Yes, you're the right. Your audacity is bewildering.
• 1:37:59
  Like, what have you done? Like, I'm so excited.
• 1:38:03
  Yeah. I mean, see, this is the part I
• 1:38:07
  love. You know, when an author comes
• 1:38:09
  on here with us and we get to talk to you and you get to tell
• 1:38:12
  us directly from your mouth, you know, what you've wrote, you
• 1:38:16
  know, you know what the feeling you're hoping that you know us
• 1:38:19
  as readers get. And it has made me so excited to
• 1:38:23
  read those because it's from you, you know, and it's part of
• 1:38:27
  you. And to see your passion and to
• 1:38:29
  see how much and how excited you are, that makes me so much more,
• 1:38:34
  even more excited to read it. And I absolutely I love.
• 1:38:38
  That, yeah. So and then now you do have
• 1:38:43
  another book also, I do. And do you want to tell us a
• 1:38:47
  little bit about that one here? Yes, so I have another book
• 1:38:52
  series that's a paranormal romance called Kindred.
• 1:38:56
  And I've been kicking around the idea of giving the Series A
• 1:38:58
  title because initially I was just like, it'll be Kindred and
• 1:39:02
  then the next one will be this and then the next one will be
• 1:39:04
  this. But I was actually talking to
• 1:39:07
  one of my co-authors about that and we're I was thinking about
• 1:39:11
  calling it the the rights of the bonds of blood or the bond
• 1:39:16
  rights or I'm figuring it out. I'm figuring it out either way.
• 1:39:20
  So Kindred so just as a just as a thing, I really like to play
• 1:39:27
  with the idea of science and fantasy, not necessarily like
• 1:39:30
  science fiction, like, you know, Star Wars and Star Trek and that
• 1:39:35
  sort of thing. I like the idea of blending
• 1:39:38
  science and fantasy because fantasy is where I really love
• 1:39:42
  to be in general, you know, So what I like to do is because my,
• 1:39:47
  my base is generally in like healthcare science.
• 1:39:50
  So I'm a nurse and in labor and delivery.
• 1:39:52
  So you'll get a lot of that vibe in a lot of the books that I
• 1:39:54
  write because that's what I know.
• 1:39:55
  I know that really, really well. I also know a lot about Well, to
• 1:40:01
  to an extent. I've been through classes, I
• 1:40:03
  read the books about genetics and heredity.
• 1:40:05
  I find it incredibly interesting, the processes of
• 1:40:09
  disease and that sort of thing. So with Kindred, that's where
• 1:40:12
  you see a lot of like me melding the idea of the idea of like
• 1:40:17
  vampirism and blending it into some kind of science.
• 1:40:21
  And what I did with that was so with chicken pox, when you get
• 1:40:26
  chicken pox as a younger person or whatever, that virus never
• 1:40:31
  really leaves your body. It stays in a little sack on
• 1:40:34
  your spine called your dorsal root ganglion.
• 1:40:37
  And when you experience stress or some kind of trauma, it can
• 1:40:42
  release back into your body as herpes zoster or shingles.
• 1:40:45
  And so that idea, I decided to take that and use it as like,
• 1:40:53
  OK, we have, we have this this allele on our X chromosome,
• 1:40:59
  which everybody has. When we have a gender
• 1:41:02
  assignment, everybody has an X, right?
• 1:41:04
  Women are XX, men are XY, X is there.
• 1:41:07
  The allele is on that X, and what happens is when the person
• 1:41:12
  experiences this massive bodily trauma in some way, shape or
• 1:41:16
  form, there is the opportunity for that allele to activate and
• 1:41:21
  then perfect the genetic code and thus creating a vampire.
• 1:41:26
  Now, the important thing with these vampires is that it is not
• 1:41:31
  like you're going to exsanguinate the person in order
• 1:41:34
  to satiate. Because let's be real, if you
• 1:41:37
  sit down to a Thanksgiving dinner and you eat the entire
• 1:41:40
  dinner, you're not going to survive that experience.
• 1:41:42
  You're not going to glut yourself on the entire Turkey
• 1:41:45
  dinner and the pumpkin pie and all the things.
• 1:41:47
  And so I took that as like a, you know, vampires need blood,
• 1:41:52
  but they're not going to need to like eat the whole person.
• 1:41:56
  You know what I mean? That's not, at least that's not
• 1:41:59
  how I took it. So, but I wanted to play around
• 1:42:02
  also with the idea of them emitting A pheromone that draws
• 1:42:05
  the exact what they need, exactly what they need from
• 1:42:10
  whoever has. So maybe they need a little bit
• 1:42:12
  of copper or zinc or manganese or, you know, sodium.
• 1:42:16
  They're going to emit a pheromone that draws the exact
• 1:42:19
  human that they require to them. And they call them matches.
• 1:42:22
  Yeah. Oh.
• 1:42:23
  Interesting. Yeah, so you, you come into the
• 1:42:27
  book through the perspective of because it's in two
• 1:42:31
  perspectives, Vincents and Yvonne.
• 1:42:34
  And Vincent is you're in World War 2 and Normandy during D-Day.
• 1:42:40
  And so he's storming Omaha Beach as a medic.
• 1:42:44
  And one of one of the important things about about Vincent is
• 1:42:48
  that he is biracial. So he's black and white.
• 1:42:53
  And there was 1 black medic that stormed the beach of Normandy.
• 1:42:58
  And so I was like, hey, it's feasible.
• 1:43:02
  We can do it. I love it.
• 1:43:05
  So he stormed the beach of Normandy, and that's where he
• 1:43:08
  experienced his change into a vampire.
• 1:43:12
  And he did that with another. Like it's of course, it's like
• 1:43:16
  what a miracle that there was only one other person that was
• 1:43:20
  actually a vampire that was also a medic.
• 1:43:22
  And that also helped him. And so that's where he meets
• 1:43:25
  James Merrick. And they become sort of like
• 1:43:29
  this duo. And Merrick is sort of his
• 1:43:31
  mentor and helps him work through becoming this new way of
• 1:43:35
  being. And what are the rules?
• 1:43:38
  What can he do? How does he feed, you know, how
• 1:43:41
  does he maintain anonymity, which in and of itself is kind
• 1:43:46
  of a hard thing for for Vincent because being biracial, where do
• 1:43:50
  you fit in, you know? And now that he is a vampire, he
• 1:43:55
  really was. That just limits it even more.
• 1:43:58
  So this idea of isolation and abandonment is really strong
• 1:44:04
  within him, right? And he feels like he doesn't
• 1:44:06
  really belong anywhere. He doesn't really have a home.
• 1:44:10
  And then you have the other perspective, which is Yvonne,
• 1:44:13
  who she also kind of has a similar thing.
• 1:44:16
  She grew up in the foster system and she had to really work hard
• 1:44:22
  to get not only her education, but find her own feet, make
• 1:44:26
  money. And she's now working as the
• 1:44:29
  lead investigative journalist for a major company in San
• 1:44:33
  Francisco, for a news company. So she finds out that there's
• 1:44:39
  this drug that's being distributed that is changing
• 1:44:42
  people into what seems to be vampires.
• 1:44:46
  And so she's now trying to investigate and find people that
• 1:44:50
  have either worked with it or that are actually these like
• 1:44:54
  that have been changed. And that's where she meets
• 1:44:58
  Vincent. And so it has like Interview
• 1:45:01
  with the Vampire vibes, a little bit of Sookie stack house, but
• 1:45:07
  it's, it's very yeah, I, I really love the, the book, the
• 1:45:13
  story and makes me really happy. I really like how Vincent gets
• 1:45:19
  just just fucking demolished at the end of this book.
• 1:45:22
  Like I, I love him with my whole heart, but I really hurt his
• 1:45:26
  feelings towards the end. So the second book, though, the
• 1:45:30
  second book is where we see the dark side of Vincent.
• 1:45:32
  We get to see his shadow. And that was so much fun to
• 1:45:36
  write because he has no fucks to give any.
• 1:45:38
  Villain era Rebecca. I'm very, very deep in my
• 1:45:43
  villain era right now because if you look on my bookcase, that's
• 1:45:48
  those are my those are my men. So I enjoy.
• 1:45:52
  So I'm excited. Oh, that sounds really good.
• 1:45:54
  That's really cool. It's like a historical fiction
• 1:45:57
  and fantasy all wrapped into one.
• 1:46:00
  That's really cool. And a Pretty Little package.
• 1:46:05
  And I have to say, and and it is also very pretty cover too, I
• 1:46:08
  have to tell you. Yeah.
• 1:46:09
  So and then where can you find that one?
• 1:46:13
  Because that one comes out at the end of June, correct.
• 1:46:16
  Yes. Yes, June 30th it's being
• 1:46:18
  republished by Spark and Quill and right now you can get
• 1:46:22
  pre-orders. You can pre-order it on the
• 1:46:24
  Spark and Quill website. Awesome.
• 1:46:26
  Which by the time this airs, will be coming up very, very
• 1:46:30
  soon. Yes, yes, it will be.
• 1:46:32
  A perfect would be good advertisement for it.
• 1:46:37
  Yes, absolutely. You also mentioned that they're
• 1:46:40
  running an insane ARC promotion. Did you want to talk about that?
• 1:46:44
  Oh yes, so I forgive me if I don't have like all of the
• 1:46:49
  little nitty gritty, but they are running an arc promotion
• 1:46:53
  through Jack Press. But I, I made sure because I was
• 1:46:55
  like, is it just Jack Press or is it Jack Press and spark and
• 1:46:58
  quote? And the publisher said it's
• 1:47:00
  both. So if you sign up as an ARC
• 1:47:04
  reader for Jack Press, you have like first access to not just
• 1:47:10
  like the books that are coming out on like one side or the
• 1:47:14
  other, but all of them. And you get to take like your
• 1:47:16
  pick of what you want to read and you get the opportunity to
• 1:47:19
  get like merchandise. You also get first dibs on like
• 1:47:23
  the copies as they come out. So it's it's, it's a good way to
• 1:47:29
  get like first, like you get it first, you know what I mean?
• 1:47:33
  And that's sort of like the idea is like, oh, I'm just knocked
• 1:47:35
  open my little thing here. Yeah, it's, it's the opportunity
• 1:47:40
  for readers to get the series before it comes out.
• 1:47:45
  Because as an ARC reader, we're that's sort of like our street
• 1:47:48
  team, right? So we want you guys to read the
• 1:47:51
  books and review it and do all the things so that way our books
• 1:47:55
  start to gain some traction. So you get all the stuff before
• 1:48:00
  it ever comes out. So that's the idea.
• 1:48:03
  And there's a lot of different things that they're offering the
• 1:48:06
  ARC readers. If you sign up under Jack,
• 1:48:08
  that's cool. So and so it's not necessarily
• 1:48:12
  it's like for all the people that they represent or all the
• 1:48:15
  people that they have under their.
• 1:48:17
  Yes, so, and most Jack Press in general, they really, they, they
• 1:48:23
  do all kinds of of different genres, right?
• 1:48:27
  They lean very heavily on the fantasy, right, because a lot of
• 1:48:31
  the authors that they've signed, they're all fantasy authors on
• 1:48:35
  the Jack Press side. They have a couple of adult
• 1:48:38
  fantasy fiction. I know CA Jackson has a boy in
• 1:48:42
  the Emerald Fire. That's like a more of a adult
• 1:48:46
  fantasy book, But then there's also the island of calamity by
• 1:48:51
  Cooper Cadman and his is more of a why a fantasy?
• 1:48:57
  So and then there's another one. I can't his name is Ephraim, but
• 1:49:02
  he he's a little bit new. So forgive me, sorry, Ephraim.
• 1:49:05
  But he's got a also a very like unique world fantasy, very high
• 1:49:10
  fantasy book as well. So that's it.
• 1:49:14
  But they all live on the Jack Press side.
• 1:49:16
  And then and Spark and Quill, that's where you're going to see
• 1:49:20
  more of your people. You're going to see the dark
• 1:49:23
  romance, the paranormal romance, those, that's where all those
• 1:49:27
  are going to live. My other two authors, Alyssa
• 1:49:31
  Mullins and IL Jordan, they both have.
• 1:49:35
  So I just finished Hazelwood, which is IL Jordan's piece and
• 1:49:39
  that's horror romance and I haven't really read a whole lot,
• 1:49:43
  but hers was very good. I, I love the fact that there is
• 1:49:47
  this, it's a giant mansion that's haunted and it's
• 1:49:52
  sentient. And so, and there's the, the
• 1:49:56
  perspective of Reyna. She has multiple different
• 1:49:59
  perspectives. So there's Reyna and Jace,
• 1:50:04
  although you don't, you, you don't get a, you don't get too
• 1:50:06
  many chapters with Jace, but you do get two other male
• 1:50:10
  perspectives. Forgive me and not remembering
• 1:50:12
  their names right now, but two other male perspectives.
• 1:50:15
  Kurt is one of them and shit, I can't remember the other one I
• 1:50:19
  was. Like that's all right.
• 1:50:20
  Forgive me IL she's like God damn the Laura.
• 1:50:22
  You're supposed to be pretty reading my shit.
• 1:50:24
  What do you I? Forget things like right after I
• 1:50:25
  read them so. Yeah, I feel bad.
• 1:50:28
  And what's funny is that that guy that's like the guy that I
• 1:50:31
  actually really like because he's kind of an asshole, so I
• 1:50:34
  kind of like him, naturally. So Raina is like sort of they
• 1:50:40
  have to feed the house, so they have to they have to give the
• 1:50:45
  house like sacrifices. Oh, it's, it's good.
• 1:50:52
  It's. Interesting.
• 1:50:53
  And it's spicy, that has spice in it.
• 1:50:55
  So it's like it gives it gives a little bit of American Horror
• 1:50:59
  Story, but like, but yeah, just it's got its own like little
• 1:51:05
  vibe to it. That's just it's new and it's
• 1:51:08
  different and I really liked it. I think she did a really good
• 1:51:11
  job. The ending, I was like, are you
• 1:51:13
  fucking kidding me? Are you kidding me?
• 1:51:16
  IL like you're just going to leave it like that?
• 1:51:18
  She's like, I'm sorry, that's the only place I could end it.
• 1:51:21
  And I'm just like, now what am I going to do?
• 1:51:26
  So it's. So now will that have another
• 1:51:29
  book or was that the end of Oh there is?
• 1:51:31
  OK, so it's just a cliffhanger. That's going to be a series.
• 1:51:34
  Yeah. She's got a whole plan for that.
• 1:51:36
  And then Alyssa is dark romance comedy.
• 1:51:41
  So she also has a vampire book, but it's more of, like, there's
• 1:51:44
  more of like a banter and a comedic relief to it, which I
• 1:51:47
  personally love. I, you know, I love it when you
• 1:51:51
  have like this like paranormal element and there's like deep
• 1:51:54
  emotional vibes, but then you also have fun Woody banter in
• 1:51:57
  it. Yeah, Gives it's a good, it's a
• 1:52:00
  good swing of the pendulum, you know, So she's yeah.
• 1:52:05
  And what was the name of that book?
• 1:52:07
  Stake me if I'm wrong. Oh, that's a good name.
• 1:52:11
  Too great. Yeah.
• 1:52:13
  So she, she, she hasn't given me her damn book yet.
• 1:52:18
  I'm just like, God damn it, Alyssa, I want to promote you.
• 1:52:20
  Give me your book so I can read it.
• 1:52:24
  Now, you also were saying that that you're doing a, if I
• 1:52:28
  remember correctly, if I'm remembering from what you said,
• 1:52:30
  you're doing something with a Christmas book too.
• 1:52:33
  I yeah. Oh, I got him.
• 1:52:35
  So it's so funny. You.
• 1:52:36
  Remember this Christmas? OK, OK, listen, listen.
• 1:52:40
  So Linda, honey, listen, listen. OK.
• 1:52:46
  I had every intention to finish this book by Christmas.
• 1:52:51
  However, with the contemporary piece that I'm writing, which
• 1:52:55
  I'm planning on finishing hopefully by like hopefully by
• 1:52:59
  the end of June, possibly mid-july.
• 1:53:02
  That is the plan anyway. I would like to be finished with
• 1:53:07
  the Christmas 1 like probably in like like like early spring so
• 1:53:13
  that I can start promoting the shit out of it.
• 1:53:16
  And I feel like that deadlines passed.
• 1:53:18
  So for me, I think I'll what I might try and do don't hate me.
• 1:53:24
  So I might try and get it done over the winter, but that's
• 1:53:30
  that's only if I don't get stuck on my other fantasy piece.
• 1:53:34
  My other fantasy series that I'm writing.
• 1:53:36
  I am in any. Projects do we have going?
• 1:53:39
  So fucking many. So many.
• 1:53:42
  That's. Amazing.
• 1:53:43
  Yeah, and it's it keeps me busy, which means that we'll have more
• 1:53:47
  books out there, which is great. And then so the the the book is
• 1:53:51
  mainly about Krampus, right? So I had this idea about doing
• 1:53:57
  some sort of monster romance and I really love the premise
• 1:54:01
  because right. So story of Cramp is this sort
• 1:54:04
  of like evil Santa, right? And you know, I wasn't really
• 1:54:08
  sure where I was going to go with it and I'm still kind of
• 1:54:11
  figuring out the chapter outline, which is why I'm like
• 1:54:13
  there's no way I'm going to be done by this Christmas.
• 1:54:15
  Like there's just I haven't even finished the damn chapter
• 1:54:18
  outline even though I have like 7 chapters written.
• 1:54:22
  Like I am even finished. I don't know where we're going
• 1:54:25
  like. Well, that's exciting too,
• 1:54:28
  because you don't know where you're going yet.
• 1:54:29
  I. Don't know where we're going.
• 1:54:31
  Yet the possibilities. They're so.
• 1:54:34
  I like the premise of it. Yeah, just say it might even be
• 1:54:37
  better, like because you have so many projects going on, I mean,
• 1:54:40
  and you're a mood reader. Are you also kind of a mood
• 1:54:42
  writer, where maybe you need to wait until winter to get your
• 1:54:45
  inspiration for the rest of Krampus?
• 1:54:48
  Yes. I feel very seen right now.
• 1:54:50
  Yes, that's that's very much that's watch.
• 1:54:53
  I'll probably be like, hey, you guys, so you know how I said
• 1:54:55
  that thing? I want to have them finished it
• 1:54:59
  in like 3 weeks because I got inspired because Merry
• 1:55:02
  Christmas, Christmas and July, which would be great.
• 1:55:07
  But like, you know, I, I don't really know how that's all going
• 1:55:10
  to go because right now the contemporary piece, I'm getting
• 1:55:14
  so close to being done with that and I'm very excited.
• 1:55:16
  But then I also have my other fantasy piece which will be a
• 1:55:19
  series and I'm halfway through with that one already.
• 1:55:22
  And that one plays with string theory.
• 1:55:24
  And I am really fucking excited about that because that was
• 1:55:28
  super fun. And just as a short thing, it's
• 1:55:30
  like you have two beings from like a very unique world.
• 1:55:34
  One of them is a dreamer, which creates the strings of reality
• 1:55:40
  in their mind. And then the phasers are able to
• 1:55:45
  touch those strings and go into those realities.
• 1:55:47
  See. That's neat.
• 1:55:49
  Right. And so the idea is dreamers,
• 1:55:53
  obviously not every thought and or in dream is going to be
• 1:55:57
  pleasant. So the nightmares that they have
• 1:56:00
  also get created and so they push those strings of reality in
• 1:56:03
  the farthest reaches of space. But one of those nightmares
• 1:56:08
  manages to get out and it's led the vibe of this of the bad is a
• 1:56:14
  sentient black black hole. And then it just builds by a
• 1:56:18
  consuming all of these realities.
• 1:56:20
  And their most favorite thing to consume is the dreamers.
• 1:56:23
  And so they're devouring the dreamers and the story, the
• 1:56:28
  premise of it is the last dreamer who is put on Earth in
• 1:56:32
  hiding. And she's been having nightmares
• 1:56:34
  since she was a little girl. She was adopted.
• 1:56:36
  She, you know, as And then the only thing that can help her
• 1:56:39
  with these nightmares is taking medication to stop her from
• 1:56:41
  dreaming. But she also doesn't feel
• 1:56:44
  anything anymore. She doesn't have like deep
• 1:56:47
  connections with anybody apart from her boyfriend who she went
• 1:56:51
  to nursing school with. And like, so he's been helping
• 1:56:54
  her. And then they both decided
• 1:56:56
  together, like, I'm going to try and come off the medication.
• 1:56:59
  She comes off the medication, She starts dreaming again.
• 1:57:02
  She's not really feeling anything.
• 1:57:04
  But then she starts seeing the sentient black boy.
• 1:57:07
  But then she also sees a visitor that's there constantly seeing
• 1:57:11
  what's happening. And finally she wakes up from a
• 1:57:13
  nightmare because this visitor says wake up.
• 1:57:17
  She wakes up and then they're both sitting on the couch after
• 1:57:22
  coming home from work. And then there's a knock on the
• 1:57:25
  door and Aaron answers it and it's the visitor from her dream.
• 1:57:28
  And he says, you need to, you need to come with me.
• 1:57:32
  Very Terminator moment, right? You need to come with me if you
• 1:57:34
  want to live. And they're like, why?
• 1:57:37
  Who are you? What is going on?
• 1:57:39
  And and Cassie, who is the, the main, the dreamer, basically,
• 1:57:43
  she doesn't know any of this, right?
• 1:57:45
  She's like, that's, that's the guy, that's the visitor.
• 1:57:49
  And she's like, what do you mean?
• 1:57:51
  And so he takes so Fallon, who's the the visitor?
• 1:57:55
  Aaron is the boyfriend. Cassie is the, the, the dreamer.
• 1:57:59
  He, Fallon takes them to the liminal, which is like a secret
• 1:58:03
  hidden space, hence the name, right?
• 1:58:05
  The liminal. And they go there with all of
• 1:58:10
  these different beings, all these different phasers and that
• 1:58:15
  are basically what is it called, refugees from different areas,
• 1:58:21
  different planets, different realities that have been eaten
• 1:58:24
  and devoured by the wood. And so they get there and this
• 1:58:28
  is where Cassie learns more about who she is, where she
• 1:58:31
  comes from, and how she can utilize her ability to protect
• 1:58:35
  herself and fight back. And so and I like it throuple.
• 1:58:44
  Level I choose. Oh, absolutely.
• 1:58:47
  It's one of my favorite things ever.
• 1:58:49
  It's my favorite, one of my favorite things to read.
• 1:58:51
  It's also really fun to write, so that's exciting.
• 1:58:54
  That isn't true. I like that that that sounds and
• 1:58:57
  that's a project that you're working on.
• 1:59:00
  OK, yet another one, the contemporary piece and that one,
• 1:59:05
  and then also the one with Bree and then also Kindred.
• 1:59:10
  And I'm writing a lot of. Things, lots of things coming
• 1:59:14
  from LE cells, everybody. Yes, so.
• 1:59:17
  Oh yeah, absolutely. This has been a super fun today.
• 1:59:20
  Have you enjoyed our conversation?
• 1:59:23
  Absolutely, I love to this. You guys are super fun.
• 1:59:26
  You are super fun again, you make me laugh all the time.
• 1:59:30
  I enjoy always your videos and the things that you say and it
• 1:59:33
  just that's why I wrote on you the other day and I told you
• 1:59:36
  that you crack my soul inside because it.
• 1:59:40
  In a good way. In a good way, but I don't
• 1:59:42
  remember what it was that you you were saying, but it was
• 1:59:44
  something. Oh, it was the handcuffs.
• 1:59:47
  I was going to say it was the handcuffs.
• 1:59:48
  It was. The handcuffs and it cracked me
• 1:59:51
  up because just how you were saying and and where it led to
• 1:59:54
  and it just I'm like that cracks my heart.
• 1:59:58
  I heard the audio. I'm like, well, that's that's
• 2:00:00
  pretty easy. I can do that.
• 2:00:02
  I can work with that. But but you make me again.
• 2:00:05
  You make me laugh. You're, you're an amazing
• 2:00:06
  person. You are an amazing author.
• 2:00:09
  And let's tell everybody again where everybody can find you.
• 2:00:13
  Where are you most sorry? Are you mostly on Instagram?
• 2:00:16
  Are you mostly on TikTok? Where?
• 2:00:17
  Where can everybody find you? So I am mostly on TikTok, but I
• 2:00:23
  am trying very hard to build my Instagram voice and presence.
• 2:00:29
  So it's definitely a different place than TikTok because you
• 2:00:33
  know, that's I have AI have AI started there with an astrology
• 2:00:37
  account, which like went off and I was like, it's not really
• 2:00:41
  meaningful to me in the sense where it was just sort of like,
• 2:00:43
  you know, I'm just making silly videos and people loved it.
• 2:00:47
  But I'm like, but I want to do the writing thing.
• 2:00:50
  So I've been that's where I live and that's where I'm trying to
• 2:00:53
  build mostly. And then I'm, but I'm trying to
• 2:00:56
  do the Instagram thing. And then I'm also hopefully my
• 2:00:59
  website will be a lot more robust and I'd like to offer
• 2:01:02
  more stuff on the website like short stories.
• 2:01:06
  So that way if you like small smutty stories, have that
• 2:01:10
  available for you guys. I'd love to be able to like
• 2:01:13
  offer like discounts on some of the stuff, free things also like
• 2:01:18
  building an art community. So I'm going to work on all that
• 2:01:22
  stuff with my website. So that is to come hopefully in
• 2:01:27
  the beginning of July, I'll be able to have more of that
• 2:01:30
  available for my website. So that way.
• 2:01:33
  Now just your handle. Now, is your handle on Instagram
• 2:01:36
  and TikTok the same so people know how to find you?
• 2:01:39
  So on TikTok it's L dot E dot author and then on Instagram
• 2:01:45
  it's Ellie sells books. OK.
• 2:01:47
  And at least on Instagram, we can post it in the captions,
• 2:01:50
  everybody, yes. Or you go there and check it
• 2:01:52
  out. Check it out.
• 2:01:53
  And then and then what is your website?
• 2:01:55
  I know you're, I know right now it's in it's construction phase,
• 2:01:59
  they're getting fixed, but what is your website as well?
• 2:02:03
  It's www.elliesellsbooks.com. OK, so everybody will be able to
• 2:02:08
  find you and then and then your your books and that you said
• 2:02:13
  that you can pre-order and you said that is from on the
• 2:02:16
  publishers website or Orca. Is it better just to go through
• 2:02:19
  your website? Which do you?
• 2:02:21
  Where is your preferred place for people to find your books?
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  Oh for sure. So I on all of my social
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  platforms, I have like a link thing and you can go in there
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  and then it'll take you right to where you can get the books.
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  So with with Kindred, it's it's the pre-order link is on spark
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  and Quill. But if you're on my any of my
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  socials or on my website, the link will take you directly to
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  where you need to be to get the book.
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  Yeah, and also we will on our link tree cuz I always keep our
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  last three authors. I always keep we have a little
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  vault. I will link your link tree to
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  our link tree and it'll be posted there so people can find
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  it easy as well. But but this has been super fun
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  and I'm so glad you were here. I'm so glad.
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  I hope you come back in the and visit again cuz I wanna talk
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  piercings with you. I wanna talk giant Cox with you.
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  I want. To diced ones, yes.
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  Definitely, at least after we were able to read Kindred and
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  all that, 'cause we're gonna have to talk about it and deep
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  dive it so. Yeah, absolutely.
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  Absolutely so this has been super fun, but also everybody
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  remember go out, go to YouTube, go to Spotify, we're on Apple
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  podcasts, Audible. Please go follow us.
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  Give us a rating as Heather says, give us five stars and so
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  that we can keep the the chaos coming.
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  But is there anything else you want to say Chelsea before we
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  leave? Nope we're all good.
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  Well then don't thank you for. Spending the time with us.
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  Appreciate it. Absolutely.
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  It was my pleasure. You guys are phenomenal, have so
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  much fun. Thank you, thank you.
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  But good night, book babes, good night.