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Speaker 1: He's the Vault Report. Good evening, Welcome to the Vault Reports.
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Speaker 1: See Price filling in for a couple of nights for
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Speaker 1: Andrew Bolt now coming up tonight on the program. As
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Speaker 1: Predictable as a cold dawn in Canberra in mid June,
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Speaker 1: Ex Prime Minister Paul Keating, suffering attention deficit syndrome, once
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Speaker 1: again denies China as any threat at all to Australia
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Speaker 1: and bashes his own side over the Orchest deal. Michael
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Speaker 1: Schubridge attempts to make some sense of all of that.
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Speaker 1: Also tonight. Jim Chalmers, the Treasurer, at a press club
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Speaker 1: event this week, in a speech on tax actually lifts
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Speaker 1: the lid on what Labor really had planned all along
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Speaker 1: during that election campaign. He's coming after your money and
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Speaker 1: he believes the may victory gives him the authority to
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Speaker 1: do it. David Pearl, former Treasury Assistant Secretary, look of
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Speaker 1: that speech from the treasure of Plus the latest from
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Speaker 1: the Middle East conflict with President Trump reportedly authorizing a
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Speaker 1: US strike on Iran. Cross Live, we will to Shanny
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Speaker 1: Moore in Tel Aviv and Patrick Christie is on the
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Speaker 1: shambotic G seven meeting in Canada and the Trump snub
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Speaker 1: for our prime minister, plus a new bromance between the
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Speaker 1: President and U KPM kir Starmer. But first, as the
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Speaker 1: world holds its breadth over where this conflict in the
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Speaker 1: Middle East is now headed, including the difficulty of working
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Speaker 1: out exactly what US President Donald Trump might do next
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Speaker 1: or not do. It's all as predictable as a winter chill.
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Speaker 1: Long comes former Prime Minister of Australia Paul Keating putting
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Speaker 1: up his hand to attack anyone critical of his mates
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Speaker 1: in China. Our Keating Prime Minister, remember between ninety ninety
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Speaker 1: one and ninety ninety six, that's almost thirty years ago,
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Speaker 1: has been a longtime critic of the Australia US alliance
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Speaker 1: keeping bristles any US boots on the ground here in Australia,
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Speaker 1: even if only for training purposes. And he's been a
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Speaker 1: constant critic of the Orcus submarine deal between the US,
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Speaker 1: the UK and Australia. Now I'm not sure who Keating
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Speaker 1: thinks would help Australia in any conflict with China, because
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Speaker 1: Keating doesn't believe China actually poses any threat to US
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Speaker 1: at all. Anyone including Australia, including the US, or even Taiwan. Now,
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Speaker 1: Paul Keating's latest rantings come from a small, bitter, delusional
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Speaker 1: opinion piece that was written for the Australian newspaper today.
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Speaker 1: Obviously feeling once again this is keating relevance deprivation syndrome.
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Speaker 1: He upset his legendary status in the ALP. He's really
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Speaker 1: worried now that he's not got the ear of the
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Speaker 1: PM's Defense Minister, or the PM himself or the Foreign Minister,
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Speaker 1: all queuing up at his pot's point mansion for writing instructions.
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Speaker 1: He unleashes on his own party once again now in
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Speaker 1: typical dramatic language. That's Keating's style that was once entertained
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Speaker 1: but is now sounding more and more delusional. He said
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Speaker 1: comments from Defense Minister Richard Miles were quote a dark
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Speaker 1: moment in Australia's history. I mean, what an exaggeration really
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Speaker 1: and what were these dark history comments exactly made by Miles.
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Speaker 1: Milds said Australia's geography and continent would be crucial to
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Speaker 1: any US prosecution of a war against China. Now, I'm
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Speaker 1: no fan of Richard Miles, let alone our slippery Foreign
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Speaker 1: Minister Penny Wong, but wasn't males, just stating the bleeding obvious.
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Speaker 2: China's conventional military build up is the most significant military
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Speaker 2: build up that we have seen, conventional military build up
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Speaker 2: that we have seen since the end of the Second
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Speaker 2: World War, and it shapes the region in which we live,
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Speaker 2: and it means that Australia's geography today is more relevant
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Speaker 2: to great power contest than it has been at any
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Speaker 2: point since the end of the Second More War.
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Speaker 1: Dearl Keating then really got wound up, claiming any threat
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Speaker 1: from China is only an allegation that the Chinese have
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Speaker 1: not threatened Australia militarily, nor indeed has it threatened the
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Speaker 1: United States and has no intention of doing so. Now
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Speaker 1: that last comment would suggest Keating has a wonderful crystal
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Speaker 1: ball available to the great Man and ignores any of
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Speaker 1: the thousands of experts who disagree and believe China does
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Speaker 1: have expansionary ambitions. Now, as Keating heard of the Belton
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Speaker 1: Road initiative, surely he has. And what does he think
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Speaker 1: China's sinking billions of dollars into Third World busted ask
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Speaker 1: countries in the Pacific is all about. Look, I suppose
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Speaker 1: Paul believes it's just the charitable Chinese. He also seems
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Speaker 1: to think when China critics talk about an aggressive China,
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Speaker 1: it's all about conventional warfare, with invading troops and tanks
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Speaker 1: and the like. Keating ignores a COVID attack on Australia
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Speaker 1: when the Chinese felt insulted. When Prime Minister Scott Morrison
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Speaker 1: dared to call for an investigation into how China handled
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Speaker 1: the wu Han outbreak that killed hundreds of thousands of
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Speaker 1: people worldwide, infected millions, shut down the global economy. What
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Speaker 1: did China do? It attacked Australian businesses. It shut out
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Speaker 1: wine and grayfish and meat more. Keating likes I think
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Speaker 1: to believe he reflects the wider view of the Australian public.
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Speaker 1: In my view, if anyone were to run a simple
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Speaker 1: poll asking do you support the Australian military alliance with America,
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Speaker 1: the answer would be a resounding yes. The no side
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Speaker 1: would consist of the Greens, the far left, and dear
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Speaker 1: Old Paul Keating Joining me now, Strategic Analysis Australia Director
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Speaker 1: Michael Schubridge. Michael, really good to see you again. I
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Speaker 1: think you and I would both agree that China's recent
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Speaker 1: behavior toward Australia, including that circumnavigation of the country and
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Speaker 1: its neighbors in the Pacific would suggest otherwise. Eyes to
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Speaker 1: Keating's claim that China poses no threat. What's your take
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Speaker 1: on Keating's comments.
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Speaker 3: Well, first, Paul Keating sees China through a wholly positive
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Speaker 3: and economic lens, and maybe him spending over a decade
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Speaker 3: as an advisor on one of the Chinese government's big banks,
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Speaker 3: in fact, the bank that did a whole lot of
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Speaker 3: billions of dollars worth of lending for the Belton Road
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Speaker 3: initiative that you mentioned, Steve, maybe that's.
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Speaker 4: Flavored his view.
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Speaker 3: He sometimes sounds more pro Beijing than some of the
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Speaker 3: Chinese Communist Party state mouthpieces, so that's strange. But for him,
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Speaker 3: things are all economics and security doesn't matter. He doesn't
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Speaker 3: even mention security except to say it's all made up. Well,
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Speaker 3: a security does matter. Ask Taiwan, ask Japan, ask the Philippines,
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Speaker 3: ask Vietnam, and any Australian that noticed those Chinese warships
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Speaker 3: circumnavigating our country and doing.
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Speaker 5: Live fire exercises.
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Speaker 3: Unfortunately, his views on China are one hand clapping.
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Speaker 1: You study this all the time. I mean my point
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Speaker 1: about a pole. If you had a a general poll
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Speaker 1: among the Australian public and the question was a simple one,
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Speaker 1: do you support the US Alliance with Australia, Surely the
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Speaker 1: answer would be an overwhelming yes, wouldn't it, Michael, It.
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Speaker 3: Is around the alliance and seeing America as an essential
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Speaker 3: major security partner, our essential major security partner. There are
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Speaker 3: Australians who are feeling quite anxious about the reliability of
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Speaker 3: decision making under US President Trump. Well, that's reasonable, But
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Speaker 3: beyond that, they still understand that despite Trump's foibles, America
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Speaker 3: is our major security partner and that's a pretty important thing.
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Speaker 1: We won't get keeping too much more eretime. But what
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Speaker 1: about his comments around ORCUS where he believes that's a
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Speaker 1: dangerous document that Australia or agreement that Australia assigned up
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Speaker 1: to with the UK and the US.
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Speaker 3: Well, I think the main thing about UCAS is it's
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Speaker 3: such a long term thing, you know, taking thirty years
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Speaker 3: to get eight submarines. The danger is we're not doing
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Speaker 3: enough for our own security now. And in fact, Richard
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Speaker 3: Miles pretty much admitted that saying our geography is more
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Speaker 3: important than our military if there's a war, Well, we
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Speaker 3: should have a stronger military where we can look after
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Speaker 3: ourselves and not have a defense minister who says our
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Speaker 3: military is so weak. It's just about our position in
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Speaker 3: the world that matters.
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Speaker 1: As you say, the United States is our main ally
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Speaker 1: when it comes to the defense of our country. How
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Speaker 1: worrying is it that our Prime minister has not over
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Speaker 1: the last eight months been able to get a face
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Speaker 1: to face meeting with President Trump. The meeting, you know,
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Speaker 1: at the G seven. You can understand why Trump went
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Speaker 1: back to Washington. I mean, with what's happening with Israel
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Speaker 1: and Iran, that's to be under stood. But I mean,
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Speaker 1: you know we've now got the PM thinking he might
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Speaker 1: fly over to the NATO meeting to try and catch
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Speaker 1: up with Donald Trump. I'd have to say, why weren't
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Speaker 1: we sending the PM to that NATO meeting?
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Speaker 3: Anyway, You're right, Steve, our Prime minister should be taking
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Speaker 3: the opportunity to meet with the thirty two other national
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Speaker 3: leaders who will be at the NATO meeting. Trump maybe
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Speaker 3: one of them, and if he is there, well, I
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Speaker 3: think it's very important our Prime minister meet with the
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Speaker 3: US President. But really the Prime Minister should be thinking
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Speaker 3: at this extremely dangerous time in global security, meeting with
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Speaker 3: his counterpart leaders of thirty two powerful democratic nations is
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Speaker 3: worth some diary time.
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Speaker 4: But of course it would.
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Speaker 3: Be very embarrassing to be at that meeting because those
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Speaker 3: NATO members are going to be committing to spending three
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Speaker 3: point five maybe five percent of their GDP on defense,
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Speaker 3: and our prime minister is sitting on his hands. So
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Speaker 3: aside from Trump, it would be an embarrassment. And of
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Speaker 3: course he could turn up and again fail to meet
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Speaker 3: President Trump. Two reasons he probably doesn't want to go.
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Speaker 1: Your expertise is strategy. Let's turn our attention to the
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Speaker 1: conflict between Iran Israel. Latest development today major hospital in
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Speaker 1: Israel hit by an Iranian missile of some sort. Now
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Speaker 1: there's a lot of uncertainty about what Donald Trump might
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Speaker 1: do next. What would he be sitting around his war
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Speaker 1: cabinet room table, a security table discussing what would what
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Speaker 1: are his options? What are his real options given that
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Speaker 1: he does not domestically want to be seen to be
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Speaker 1: pushing the United States into another twenty year boots on
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Speaker 1: the ground conflict in the Middle East.
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Speaker 3: Well, I think step one is he's going to continue
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Speaker 3: to help defend Israel from Iranian missile and drone attack.
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Speaker 3: And that has some risks for America because American service
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Speaker 3: personnel and facilities can be they can personnel can be killed,
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Speaker 3: and facilities can be damaged. That could drag America into
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Speaker 3: the war whatever he decides. And the second thing is
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Speaker 3: is he going to use America's unique weapons, the B
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Speaker 3: two bomber with its enormous bunker buster bombs to destroy
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Speaker 3: those deep underground nuclear facilities that are so essential to
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Speaker 3: run's nuclear program? And if he does that, he can
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Speaker 3: he avoid making America a party to this ongoing conflict.
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Speaker 3: And the big thing I think he should be spending
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Speaker 3: time thinking about is what happens the day after if
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Speaker 3: he does these things. What is the plan for continuing
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Speaker 3: the conflict or ending the conflict? If he uses American
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Speaker 3: power that way?
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Speaker 1: I was going to ask you that because if he
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Speaker 1: uses that, the American military use that bunker busting bomb,
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Speaker 1: and only the Americans have an aircraft as I understand,
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Speaker 1: and it capable of carrying that bomb load. If he
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Speaker 1: does that, and then the Iranians go, right, We're going
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Speaker 1: to attack an American base. We're going to take out
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Speaker 1: an American airliner. We're going to attack the Americans on
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Speaker 1: American soil with a terrorist attack. I mean, that's where
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Speaker 1: it's going to get really nasty and dangerous, isn't it.
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Speaker 5: Well.
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Speaker 3: I think that scenario at the end there about does
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Speaker 3: Iran try to do something really stupid and do something
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Speaker 3: in America or another country against American people or American officials,
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Speaker 3: that we can't dismiss that. But I think in military terms,
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Speaker 3: Iran is on the back foot comprehensively against Israel, and
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Speaker 3: I don't think the Iranian leaders want to add American
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Speaker 3: power to that. So the last thing Tehran wants is
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Speaker 3: to broaden the conflict and bring in America.
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Speaker 5: But they may have.
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Speaker 3: Nowhere to go if America uses those bunker busters.
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Speaker 1: Great stuff. Thank you, Michael Law was a pleasure to
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Speaker 1: catch up with you, my friend Michael Schubridge there. Let's
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Speaker 1: go to Tel Aviv now and bring in Dr Sharny Moore,
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Speaker 1: former director for Foreign policy for Israel's National Security Council
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Speaker 1: and lecturer at Reuchman University. Thank you very much for
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Speaker 1: making time for US reports. I mentioned there mid afternoon
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Speaker 1: that a major hospital in the south of your country
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Speaker 1: has been hit likely by the Iranians. The people living
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Speaker 1: in and around Tel Aviv now still have confidence in
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Speaker 1: the missile defense systems that have been so magnificent in
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Speaker 1: the past.
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Speaker 6: Well, they performed much less well this morning than they
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Speaker 6: had until now. At the same time, the number of
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Speaker 6: missiles that the Iranians are able to lab at his
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Speaker 6: role seems to consistently be dropping. They we're getting up
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Speaker 6: to wet their best performance two hundred a day or
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Speaker 6: in one barrage, They're now able to do three or
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Speaker 6: four this morning that we're twenty, worryingly of this morning's twenty,
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Speaker 6: something like seven actually made it through. That's a much
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Speaker 6: bigger failure rate than has been the case on any
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Speaker 6: other day in the war thus far.
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Speaker 1: With that in mind, how is the mood in television?
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Speaker 1: I mean, the Israelis are such stoic people. I mean,
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Speaker 1: you've been through so much since October seven. How's the
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Speaker 1: population coping with this die in diep? With sirens going off,
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Speaker 1: families having to rush children into underground, COPPOCKX and bomb shoulders.
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Speaker 6: I think overall there's a calm and a result here.
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Speaker 6: There's not been any sign of panic. There's a lot
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Speaker 6: of concern it's very difficult to be at home all
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Speaker 6: day and not be able to go to work, not
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Speaker 6: have kids going to school, that's for sure. The sirens
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Speaker 6: are distressing, the booms from the impacts are quite frightening
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Speaker 6: for everyone.
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Speaker 1: But there's.
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Speaker 6: You know, it's something we're used to. It's something it's
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Speaker 6: been a part of our life now pretty consistently for
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Speaker 6: the last twenty months. And reality are the threat of
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Speaker 6: rocket fire and the on and off reality of rocket
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Speaker 6: fire on cities has been our reality now since the
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Speaker 6: early two thousands, with the advent of Hamas rackets on
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Speaker 6: the Israeli Southwest in two thousand and one.
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Speaker 4: I'd love to.
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Speaker 1: Tap into your foreign policy experience. Donald Trump has obviously
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Speaker 1: said to the Iranian leadership, Lick, look, you've got to
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Speaker 1: lay down your weapons and negotiate this. I'm not talking
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Speaker 1: about a ceasefire. I'm talking about ending the nuclear program,
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Speaker 1: stopping it all together, and letting us inspect those sites.
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Speaker 1: If there's still stuff there, we want to be able
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Speaker 1: to blow it up. I'm using, you know, Donald Trump's
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Speaker 1: common language. What do you think, given your experience, who
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Speaker 1: ran might do now?
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Speaker 6: I think the Iranians managed to extract a very good
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Speaker 6: deal for them in twenty fifteen from the United States
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Speaker 6: and its partners in a very different political reality. Donald
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Speaker 6: Trump gave them sixty days to negotiate a new deal
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Speaker 6: with much stricter demands. Initially, he was demanding no uranium enrichment.
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Speaker 6: There were rumors that the Americans were willing to accept
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Speaker 6: something up to about three point sixty seven percent, but
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Speaker 6: the Americans wanted also limitations on the ballistic missile program,
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Speaker 6: a full accounting on past nuclear programs, a lot of
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Speaker 6: new demands that weren't there in twenty fifteen. The Iranians
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Speaker 6: behaved in the negotiations as if they were still in
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Speaker 6: twenty fifteen, not in twenty twenty five. They didn't seem
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Speaker 6: to take into account that around them the world had changed.
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Speaker 6: They no longer had the turn force in Lebanon because
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Speaker 6: Israel took that out. We talked about his Bill of
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Speaker 6: course in twenty twenty four. They no longer had a
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Speaker 6: client state in Syria because that one collapsed. They no
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Speaker 6: longer had the kind of air defenses they had before
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Speaker 6: because Israel also took those out in two operations in
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Speaker 6: April and October of twenty twenty four. Following Iranian missile
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Speaker 6: tax on Israel.
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Speaker 4: They had a very good.
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Speaker 6: Opportunity in those sixty days of negotiations to come to
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Speaker 6: a deal, not to they're liking, but certainly much better
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Speaker 6: than where they are right now and where they'll find
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Speaker 6: themselves at the end of this war. I think what
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Speaker 6: the Americans are signaling, which is a really different for
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Speaker 6: go ahead.
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Speaker 1: If you beck the Mullazo into a corner. What's the
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Speaker 1: likelihood of them doing something crazy?
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Speaker 6: I think what they're doing now is crazy. I mean,
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Speaker 6: sending missiles into Israeli cities is crazy and will be very,
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Speaker 6: very costly for them. Defying the United States, which has
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Speaker 6: moved an order of battle of forces here that is
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Speaker 6: unseen at least since the First Persian Gulf War in
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Speaker 6: terms of air and naval power at least, is absolutely crazy.
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Speaker 6: They're not in a direct negotiation with the Israeli government.
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Speaker 6: They're supposedly meeting European foreign ministers later this week. The
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Speaker 6: thing that I would do if I was working in
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Speaker 6: the Iranian government, which obviously I'm not, is I would
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Speaker 6: agree to a much much stricter nuclear deal now while
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Speaker 6: it's still potentially on the table, rather than wait for
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Speaker 6: the situation to get worse and for the regime's position
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Speaker 6: domestically to weaken even more.
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Speaker 1: As in Israeli, I mean, you must be extraordinarily proud
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Speaker 1: of the efforts of the IDF and Mossad. I mean
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Speaker 1: two of the things that we've seen November you're referred to, when,
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Speaker 1: of course the Paja explosions took basically out his Bella.
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Speaker 1: Now we've got, you know, obviously covert intel coming out
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Speaker 1: of Teyran itself, where all of the leadership of the
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Speaker 1: major security of the Iranians has been taken out by
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Speaker 1: the Israelis because they know what apartment they're in and
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Speaker 1: where they're sleeping. It's quite extraordinary, isn't it.
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Speaker 6: I think the entire operation is extraordinary, particularly on the
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Speaker 6: first day. There are still aspects of it that we
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Speaker 6: don't know. It aren't able to be discussed publicly. When
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Speaker 6: the history of this operation is written, I think it
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Speaker 6: will be one of the great operational successes of ALTI time.
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Speaker 6: Right now, Israel, a tiny country, is essentially controlling the
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Speaker 6: airspace of a country seventy five times its size and
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Speaker 6: more than a thousand kilometers away, a country that has
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Speaker 6: spent forty six years building a generational deterrent in at
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Speaker 6: least four or five neighboring Arab states which, on the
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Speaker 6: day that it became relevant, were absolutely useless to it.
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Speaker 6: This is at least in the immediate term, in purely
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Speaker 6: tactical sense and astonishing military accomplishment.
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Speaker 1: It's absolutely amazing. Doctor Chennymore really approached you. Tom. Appreciate
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Speaker 1: to Tom there from television, Thanks very much. Coming up
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Speaker 1: after the bright Now the incredibly wirying admissions might by
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Speaker 1: the Treasurer yesterday at the Press Club. The economy, it's
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Speaker 1: not where it should be, and why none of it
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Speaker 1: is his fault. Welcome back today, pross In, Andrew Bard.
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Speaker 1: I'll be joining in by David Pearl, former Assistant Secretary
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Speaker 1: out of Treasury. But just before I go to David,
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Speaker 1: there was something about that press club speech that was
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Speaker 1: made by Treasurer Jim Chalmers yesterday that I think should
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Speaker 1: worry anyone who's worked hard in their life, put away
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Speaker 1: a little something for their retirement and something for their
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Speaker 1: kids in pretty tough times. And it's this He used
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Speaker 1: the speech to talk about tax reform.
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Speaker 7: Now, no sensible progress can be made on productivity resilience
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Speaker 7: or budget sustainability without proper consideration of more tax reform.
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Speaker 5: I don't just accept that. I welcome that.
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Speaker 1: Okay, we all accept that is needed in a heavily
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Speaker 1: taxed country that crushes ambition and punishes anyone who dares
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Speaker 1: to do well. Chalmers again promised he would go after
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Speaker 1: unrealized profits inside super for anyone who's lucky enough to
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Speaker 1: have three million or more, and the three million level
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Speaker 1: will stay at that level, with charmers ruling out any indexation.
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Speaker 1: But what should really worry any of you watching this
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Speaker 1: tonight who didn't see that speech, and not many people
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Speaker 1: watch the Press club speeches, is how come this was
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Speaker 1: not part of the election debate which happened six weeks ago.
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Speaker 1: We all know the answer to that question. Why scare
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Speaker 1: the horses with tax talk? Get re elected first and
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Speaker 1: then have the conversation, And just how is this now
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Speaker 1: urgent tax reform going to be worked out? Well a
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Speaker 1: good old round table. Only problem is the table is
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Speaker 1: too small for anything other than a selective group of
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Speaker 1: likely fellow travelers, you know, Treasury, some cabinet members, a
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Speaker 1: few token business leaders, plus of course the union movement
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Speaker 1: will be there. Now good luck with that. Charters also
21:44
Speaker 1: said yesterday net zero will threaten revenue streams, admitting we're
21:49
Speaker 1: about to blow up one of our few advantages in Australia.
21:52
Speaker 1: He left the door open to a GST increase, again
21:55
Speaker 1: hidden during the campaign, never talked about it, and tossed
21:58
Speaker 1: in the idea this is a of charging ev car
22:02
Speaker 1: owners for driving on the roads. After Labor of course
22:05
Speaker 1: encouraged everyone to go out and buy one, let's bring
22:08
Speaker 1: in as I said David Perl, former Treasury Assistant Secretary David,
22:12
Speaker 1: thank you very much for your time. First, what stood
22:14
Speaker 1: out to you from the Treasurer's speech at the Press
22:18
Speaker 1: Club yesterday?
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Speaker 8: Thanks for having me on, Steve. I thought your interpretation
22:23
Speaker 8: was spot on. But what really struck me, having worked
22:26
Speaker 8: in Treasury for twenty years, is that this speech was
22:31
Speaker 8: Jim charmers attempt to avoid the hospital pass that the
22:35
Speaker 8: Prime Minister has thrown him last week when the Prime
22:38
Speaker 8: Minister said that he'd asked the Treasurer to host this roundtable,
22:42
Speaker 8: it's clear that this is likely to go pair shape
22:45
Speaker 8: for all sorts of reasons, not least the one you mentioned, Steve,
22:48
Speaker 8: that this wasn't canvassed at all during the election campaign.
22:52
Speaker 8: So what Jim Charmers did in his speech, and all
22:54
Speaker 8: insiders and all Treasury people would know this is avoid
22:58
Speaker 8: any possibility that he will get the blame if this
23:01
Speaker 8: goes pair shape. One, he disclaimed any responsibility at all,
23:05
Speaker 8: Steve from our current productivity crisis, which his and his
23:09
Speaker 8: government policies have been integral to. Two, he reframed the
23:17
Speaker 8: round table to be about budget sustainability, which in Treasury
23:22
Speaker 8: speak is code for higher taxes. In fact, when the
23:26
Speaker 8: Treasurer defends the indefensible his proposed PA profits tax on
23:30
Speaker 8: high superannuation balances, he says it's needed for budget sustainability reasons.
23:36
Speaker 8: And Third, he has made the ridiculous rule that anyone
23:42
Speaker 8: offering any idea has to propose offsetting savings. That guarantees
23:47
Speaker 8: that you won't get any consensus in support of any
23:50
Speaker 8: big ideas. Reform needs political leadership. We saw that with
23:54
Speaker 8: Peter Costello, We saw that with Paul Keating, at least
23:56
Speaker 8: the good Paul Keating we had twenty years ago. Jim
24:00
Speaker 8: Chalmers is not a leader. He's nominally Treasurer. But I'm
24:04
Speaker 8: not aware Steve of any political risk or example of
24:07
Speaker 8: political courage he has ever shown, and he wants consensus
24:11
Speaker 8: served up to him on a platter by the media,
24:13
Speaker 8: by all of the stakeholders, by the unions, by business,
24:16
Speaker 8: so that he can then claim the credit for it.
24:22
Speaker 1: So, David, Treasuries convinced the charmers and the labor government
24:27
Speaker 1: well almost two years ago now to attack people with
24:30
Speaker 1: more than three million in their super funds. I mean,
24:32
Speaker 1: I think on that question, if there wasn't the unrealized
24:36
Speaker 1: profits aspect to it, probably people could wear it. So
24:40
Speaker 1: we can give that a tick. It's going to happen, probably.
24:44
Speaker 1: But what worries me and I don't want to scare
24:46
Speaker 1: anyone watching us tonight, David, but you would well know
24:49
Speaker 1: that the Treasury boffins will be doing the numbers now
24:52
Speaker 1: on where you go next, what's the next what they
24:55
Speaker 1: would call low hanging fruit in the taxation area? Where
25:00
Speaker 1: expect that's going to be?
25:03
Speaker 8: Will you write, Steve Treasury twenty years ago, the Treasury
25:07
Speaker 8: I joined in ninety ninety nine is a completely different
25:09
Speaker 8: beast to the Treasury today. Treasury has been taken over
25:12
Speaker 8: by what I call progressive economic idea logues. Traditionally, Treasury
25:18
Speaker 8: was the department in government. So traditionally, Treasury was the
25:23
Speaker 8: department in government that always urged ministers to cut taxes,
25:26
Speaker 8: to deregulate the economy and to means test and target spending.
25:31
Speaker 8: The modern Treasury for the last fifteen to twenty years
25:34
Speaker 8: does the opposite. So yes, Treasury is a revenue department.
25:38
Speaker 8: Treasury is keen to raise the tax burden on the community.
25:42
Speaker 8: And don't take my word for it. A succession of
25:45
Speaker 8: recent Treasury secretaries, with the exception of John Fraser, have
25:49
Speaker 8: all given speeches saying that we have to chase the
25:52
Speaker 8: NDIS and other unsustainable spending with higher taxes. So yes,
25:55
Speaker 8: they would be developing plans. The unrealized principle is an
25:59
Speaker 8: appalling one, Steve. It has to be a precedent for
26:03
Speaker 8: wider efforts. I know that Jim Charmis has not ruled
26:06
Speaker 8: that out. I don't know whether he's been asked the
26:08
Speaker 8: direct question whether the idea of taxing unrealized gains. If
26:12
Speaker 8: it's so wonderful for people in superannuation, why don't we
26:15
Speaker 8: apply it to investors in residential real estate.
26:21
Speaker 1: Well, that's always been the fear, and Australians really would
26:25
Speaker 1: not wear that. And that's again another reason, David, why
26:29
Speaker 1: none of this was talked about during the election campaign,
26:32
Speaker 1: let alone the prospect of raising the GST. Now that's
26:35
Speaker 1: a whole different question. But Charmers took us down a
26:40
Speaker 1: strange road. He's talked about overhauling the tax system, but
26:43
Speaker 1: he talks about ditching traditional revenue streams as the government
26:48
Speaker 1: transitions to renewables. Well, that's talking about the royalties that
26:53
Speaker 1: the country gets from mining things like coal, isn't it?
26:59
Speaker 1: It is?
26:59
Speaker 8: And if we talk about productivity in this country, we
27:03
Speaker 8: have to talk about net zero. I was in the
27:05
Speaker 8: OCD in the late nineteen ninety Steve when Australia and
27:09
Speaker 8: other countries first started talking about cutting emissions to deal
27:12
Speaker 8: with climate change, and back then it was always recognized
27:16
Speaker 8: that it imposed heavy, crushing economic costs, and countries haggled
27:21
Speaker 8: over what share of the global effort they would bear.
27:25
Speaker 8: So now we're told that net zero, the idea of
27:30
Speaker 8: energy poverty, raising energy costs and energy austerity, is the
27:35
Speaker 8: key to high living standards. No, net zero is a
27:38
Speaker 8: dragon productivity. It reduces living standards and it's undermining our
27:43
Speaker 8: manufacturing and revenue base. So I think that charmers talking
27:47
Speaker 8: about charging EV users for roads is quite beside the point.
27:53
Speaker 8: The key problem is net zero. I'm not saying that
27:56
Speaker 8: they're are broader reforms that we need to tackle to
27:58
Speaker 8: lift productivity in this but net zero is self imposed
28:03
Speaker 8: and any rationale for it has been blown out of
28:06
Speaker 8: the window with the US, China, Indian Russia not playing ball.
28:09
Speaker 8: The only justification, Steve, as you know, for us to
28:12
Speaker 8: wear this economic hairshirt was to do it in lockstep
28:16
Speaker 8: with everybody else around the world. That clearly isn't the case,
28:19
Speaker 8: and even Tony Blair, who labor people should be listening to,
28:23
Speaker 8: has realized that truth.
28:27
Speaker 1: One hundred percent. David Pearl, thank you very much for
28:29
Speaker 1: your time and your wisdom. Tonight I want to bring
28:31
Speaker 1: in now National ZMPi, and what a time to bring
28:34
Speaker 1: him in. Former Deputy Prime Minister Barnaby. Joyce Barnaby, great
28:37
Speaker 1: to see you. I love the Beanie. We had the
28:44
Speaker 1: Transgrid CEO Brett Redmond today saying that Victorians in Victoria
28:50
Speaker 1: during winter should get ready to have cold showers because
28:54
Speaker 1: we're going to run out of power. Now, who have
28:57
Speaker 1: I heard say that before that we might run out
29:00
Speaker 1: of power. Would that have been new Barnaby.
29:03
Speaker 7: Yes, And it's you know, you don't have to be Pythagoras,
29:06
Speaker 7: you don't have to be nostral Damis.
29:07
Speaker 5: You just have to be logical.
29:09
Speaker 7: This whole net zero process, this move to intermittent powers,
29:14
Speaker 7: it's not renewable, it's intermittent power, is inevitably going to
29:18
Speaker 7: end up in a train crash.
29:19
Speaker 5: And now we actually.
29:20
Speaker 7: See the y sages who were apparently there to guide
29:23
Speaker 7: us through it, saying we need a buffer of more coal,
29:26
Speaker 7: we need a buffer of more gas, we need a
29:28
Speaker 7: buffer of all that evil stuff that apparently we're trying
29:31
Speaker 7: to get rid of. And when you think about it,
29:34
Speaker 7: when you think about this, this absolute swindle, the swindle
29:38
Speaker 7: on the train taxpayers. Like all swindles, somebody is making
29:42
Speaker 7: a bucket of money.
29:43
Speaker 5: And we have not been.
29:44
Speaker 7: Asked in the hard questions about who's in these capacity
29:49
Speaker 7: investment schemes. How much are they getting returns for? Why
29:52
Speaker 7: are we auctioning power only in five minute blocks? Why
29:55
Speaker 7: do people who bit into the stack get paid the
29:57
Speaker 7: highest price, not the price they bit into the state.
30:00
Speaker 7: Because at the end of the day, there's a penchner
30:04
Speaker 7: who can't afford their power bill, and we are getting
30:06
Speaker 7: Australians who are doing it tough and dropping them into
30:10
Speaker 7: destitution for a program net zero.
30:13
Speaker 5: As idiotic as that is, that hasn't.
30:15
Speaker 7: Got buckleys of doing anything, even if you believe every
30:20
Speaker 7: chapter verse of their predictions about what would happen if
30:24
Speaker 7: all the world was participating, Well they're not participating, and
30:27
Speaker 7: including Russia, China, and the United States, add in Indonesia,
30:30
Speaker 7: add in Brazil, add in most Southeast Asian countries, add
30:33
Speaker 7: in most of Africa.
30:35
Speaker 5: I mean, this is ludicrous what we are doing to ourselves.
30:40
Speaker 1: On top of all of that, I mean, how do
30:41
Speaker 1: you feel about having fought a five six week election campaign?
30:44
Speaker 1: And then suddenly Jim Chalmers bobs up at the press
30:47
Speaker 1: Club yesterday and says, oh, we've got to have a
30:49
Speaker 1: big debate about the taxation system. We've got to talk
30:51
Speaker 1: about GST, We've got to talk about how we can
30:54
Speaker 1: get it, can tax people more. I mean, what a
30:58
Speaker 1: charad that Campaig was.
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Speaker 7: Of course, and now you know, and he also mentioned
31:04
Speaker 7: that one of the troubles with the budget is the
31:07
Speaker 7: pressure put on by net zero.
31:09
Speaker 5: But I thought this was going to I thought this
31:11
Speaker 5: was so cheap.
31:11
Speaker 7: I thought it was going to make us money, But
31:13
Speaker 7: now we find out that we've spent nine thousand million
31:17
Speaker 7: dollars thus far, ladies and gentlemen, on trying to achieve
31:21
Speaker 7: your net zero target and make you colder and poorer.
31:24
Speaker 7: But we also see, and we've seen it now, the
31:27
Speaker 7: most invidious attack on your wealth, and that is they've
31:31
Speaker 7: cracked the superinnuation egg. Now it might be three million dollars,
31:34
Speaker 7: but they started and they're taxing unrealized gains. So the
31:39
Speaker 7: things that you haven't sold but have increased in value,
31:43
Speaker 7: the government now has made a moral justification for you
31:46
Speaker 7: to send thirty percent of that increase to doctor Jim Chalmers.
31:50
Speaker 5: And where are you going to get that money from?
31:52
Speaker 5: You have to borrow it.
31:52
Speaker 7: Now they might be starting on super, but once you've
31:55
Speaker 7: cracked the eggs, once you've created the president, watch out.
32:01
Speaker 1: On Anthony Alberanesi, the Prime Minister. I mean, you can
32:04
Speaker 1: understand why Donald Trump left the G seven. I mean,
32:06
Speaker 1: he's got bigger issues to deal with than sitting down
32:09
Speaker 1: with Anthony Albanesi. And I've got to say I almost
32:12
Speaker 1: feel sorry for the PM, But should he be now
32:14
Speaker 1: chasing him over at the NATO summit at the Hague.
32:18
Speaker 1: I mean, what happens if Donald Trump doesn't agree to
32:20
Speaker 1: see him there either? I mean, what does that say
32:22
Speaker 1: about the reputation of Australia globally and what does it
32:27
Speaker 1: say about the strength of our alliance with the Americans?
32:30
Speaker 7: Well, what does it say we've got orcus they're reviewing
32:33
Speaker 7: UCAS and the idea when the Prime minister said, oh,
32:37
Speaker 7: well he was too busy and he couldn't get to me,
32:40
Speaker 7: and everybody understands that, well, hang on. He did get
32:43
Speaker 7: to the Indian Prime minister, rang him up, He did
32:46
Speaker 7: get to the Mexican Prime minister, President rang them up.
32:51
Speaker 7: So this was not a case that he didn't after
32:53
Speaker 7: he left make contact with other people outside the G seven.
32:57
Speaker 6: He did.
32:58
Speaker 7: He just didn't contact the Australia Prime minister. And at
33:01
Speaker 7: this point in time, they're reviewing aucusts and if Aucust
33:03
Speaker 7: falls over, ladies and gentlemen, we are in a world
33:06
Speaker 7: of trouble because they apparently have no contingency planned. They
33:10
Speaker 7: never actually looked at the documents and said, hang on,
33:12
Speaker 7: the United States can pull out of this and we
33:14
Speaker 7: don't even get our money back, so we better think
33:17
Speaker 7: of something else just in case.
33:21
Speaker 5: No, that never happened.
33:22
Speaker 7: And we've got China stoging down your coast, off your
33:25
Speaker 7: coast there off Sky's coast in the Tasman Sea doing
33:29
Speaker 7: live fire exercises, which is practicing for a war. Now,
33:32
Speaker 7: why would they practice off Sydney. Then there's something you
33:34
Speaker 7: should all ponder, why would you practice off Sydney.
33:39
Speaker 1: But clearly, Barnaby, you haven't been reading Paul Keating's column
33:43
Speaker 1: in The Australia because the great man who was Prime
33:46
Speaker 1: Minister thirty years ago says, well, you can't be critical
33:51
Speaker 1: of China. They're not threatening anyone. They're not a military
33:54
Speaker 1: threat to the US, or to Taiwan or to Australia.
33:58
Speaker 1: You know, China are a really nice pace people. Why
34:00
Speaker 1: are you being so mean to them?
34:02
Speaker 5: Because we're not talking about the Chinese people.
34:04
Speaker 7: We're talking about the Chinese Communist Party, the CCP, who
34:08
Speaker 7: have incarcerated we believe up to a million Wiguas, who
34:11
Speaker 7: have used slave labor for the construction of the beautiful
34:15
Speaker 7: solar panels, who've taken over the South China Sea, which
34:18
Speaker 7: was never actually theirs, who've had incursions into India, who
34:21
Speaker 7: talk about inner Mongolia and out of Mongolia, which means
34:24
Speaker 7: they believe Mongolia is part of China. You know, this
34:28
Speaker 7: is the same China that has basically building their third
34:31
Speaker 7: aircraft building Hypersonics. Have now had the biggest navy in
34:36
Speaker 7: the world, not only the biggest navy, but the probably
34:39
Speaker 7: the most technically advanced navy, and mister Keating says, we've
34:44
Speaker 7: got nothing to worry about. Well, mister Keating, if it
34:47
Speaker 7: was the Chinese people, you're dead right.
34:48
Speaker 5: We haven't.
34:49
Speaker 7: But it's a totality in regime with a unilateral leader
34:53
Speaker 7: and what they believe or he believes is a sort
34:57
Speaker 7: of idea. Who doesn't believe in God? So a divine
34:59
Speaker 7: purpose whatever it is, in a sort of a neutral form.
35:03
Speaker 5: But watch it.
35:04
Speaker 7: I mean, Paul, if you're the our defense, maybe you
35:06
Speaker 7: should put you in a rowboat off Sydney for the
35:08
Speaker 7: next live fire exercise and you can explain to them
35:11
Speaker 7: how they shouldn't be there.
35:14
Speaker 1: Got to go. But what's the temperature where you It's
35:17
Speaker 1: going to get.
35:18
Speaker 5: Down to about minus three tomorrow morning. So yeah, it's Cole,
35:23
Speaker 5: We're going to get a cracking for us. Cover up
35:25
Speaker 5: the windscreens.
35:28
Speaker 1: Good luck, with it all. Thank you Barnaby Barnaby Joyce
35:30
Speaker 1: there now coming up after the break, I'll be join
35:33
Speaker 1: by our panel tonight to unpick whether our Prime Minister
35:35
Speaker 1: we're talking about this with Barnaby there should go globe
35:38
Speaker 1: trotting just to speak out a meeting with Donald Trump
35:41
Speaker 1: and the implications if he doesn't actually get one. Welcome
35:49
Speaker 1: back to the reports. Steve Price in for a couple
35:52
Speaker 1: of nights for Andrew, who's taking a break, Let's get
35:54
Speaker 1: into our panel. Sky News commentator Ellen Ray joins us
35:57
Speaker 1: and James McPherson, co host of course of the Late
36:00
Speaker 1: Debate and Danika and James on Sundays. Let's get back
36:05
Speaker 1: the pair of you to this embarrassment for the PM,
36:08
Speaker 1: Anthony Albanese never being able to get Donald Trump to
36:11
Speaker 1: meet him face to face. James, what happens if he
36:14
Speaker 1: flies to Europe elbow and turns up at NATO, of course,
36:19
Speaker 1: which we're not a member of, and decides he needs
36:22
Speaker 1: to meet Donald Trump and Donald Trump can't find the
36:26
Speaker 1: time to do it.
36:27
Speaker 9: Well, I mean they've already foreshadowed this. In that event,
36:30
Speaker 9: Anthony Albanese's staff have said he will go to the
36:32
Speaker 9: United Nations in New York in September and try to
36:35
Speaker 9: catch Donald Trump's eye there, and if that fails, I
36:38
Speaker 9: fully expect Anthony Albanzi to be hiding in the bushes
36:41
Speaker 9: at Mary Lago, trying to attract Trump's attention as.
36:43
Speaker 4: He goes past in his golf cart.
36:45
Speaker 9: It's all rather desperate and really unseemly for the Prime
36:50
Speaker 9: Minister of Australia to be chasing the US President around
36:53
Speaker 9: to first to Canada, now to the Hague, possibly to
36:58
Speaker 9: New York, trying to catch his We're not a serious
37:01
Speaker 9: country when that's the measure of our relationship with the
37:04
Speaker 9: United States. But the truth is Anthony Albanese has never
37:07
Speaker 9: tried to build a personal relationship with Donald Trump.
37:11
Speaker 4: Other leaders have done it. They've been to the White House.
37:14
Speaker 9: Anthony Albanese has had three phone calls, which he boasts
37:16
Speaker 9: about being very constructive, though he won't release the details.
37:20
Speaker 9: And how constructive could those phone calls have been when
37:22
Speaker 9: we still don't have an exemption from Tariff's, we still
37:25
Speaker 9: don't know if our Major Security Pact is going to
37:28
Speaker 9: go ahead, And clearly Donald Trump doesn't care enough about
37:31
Speaker 9: Anthony Albanesi to advise him that their coffee date in
37:35
Speaker 9: Canada was going to be canceled. So if Albaneze doesn't
37:38
Speaker 9: get this meeting in the Hague next week, it is
37:41
Speaker 9: all sorts of bad, not just for Australia but for
37:44
Speaker 9: Anthony Albanese as a leader.
37:47
Speaker 1: Evel. And one of the things that amuses me about
37:50
Speaker 1: all of this is not many people are talking about
37:52
Speaker 1: the rud effect. Their old mate, Kevin Rudd. He's the ambassador,
37:55
Speaker 1: the Australian ambassador in Washington. He's followed ambassadors of some
37:59
Speaker 1: note like Joe Hockey and Arthur Cinderdinas. How much blame
38:04
Speaker 1: should we be putting at the feet of one Kevin Rudd,
38:08
Speaker 1: the ex Prime minister, who I remind everybody was a
38:11
Speaker 1: captain's choice of Anthony Albernezi to take up that ambassadarial
38:15
Speaker 1: job in Washington.
38:18
Speaker 10: Look, I don't have much faith in our government at
38:22
Speaker 10: the moment.
38:22
Speaker 4: Unfortunately, I'm not sure.
38:23
Speaker 10: I really have had much, but it seems to be
38:25
Speaker 10: decreasing by the minute. And look, I think that Rudd
38:29
Speaker 10: really put his foot in it a long time ago
38:31
Speaker 10: when he made those negative comments before Trump was elected,
38:36
Speaker 10: and I think ever since then he's been you know,
38:38
Speaker 10: trying to cozy back up to him, but we all
38:42
Speaker 10: know what Trump's like. Once you burn that bridge, you've
38:44
Speaker 10: really got to kind of earn that back. And I
38:47
Speaker 10: don't think with labor in power that that's something that
38:49
Speaker 10: we're going to achieve. But look, I actually have a
38:52
Speaker 10: bit of a different take on this. I actually and
38:55
Speaker 10: I can't believe I'm going to say it. You might
38:57
Speaker 10: need to check my temperature or send you know, a
38:59
Speaker 10: welfare But I commend Alberanizi for chasing around Trump only
39:04
Speaker 10: for the sheer sake that of Australians, because at the moment,
39:08
Speaker 10: our relationship with America is probably our most important because
39:13
Speaker 10: I think without that military and that alliance, I think
39:17
Speaker 10: that we're in big trouble. I think that the world
39:19
Speaker 10: at the moment is you know, on fire at all
39:22
Speaker 10: different ends. And the last time that happened and eyes
39:25
Speaker 10: were in every different direction, what happened to the top
39:28
Speaker 10: of Australia, the Japanese tried to get in, And so
39:31
Speaker 10: there is fear that with everything going on in the
39:34
Speaker 10: world right now, that you know, we're perhaps vulnerable. So
39:38
Speaker 10: I hope that Albanesi really kisses Trump's butt as much
39:43
Speaker 10: as he can. I reckon he should sack Rudd and
39:47
Speaker 10: perhaps we might have a better chance for the future
39:49
Speaker 10: with our relationship with him.
39:52
Speaker 1: Can't get that image out of my mind, Sadley Evelyn.
39:55
Speaker 1: But I'll try and do that before I go to
39:56
Speaker 1: sleep tonight. James just off politics, who all under crime?
40:00
Speaker 1: Some dreadful crime statistics in Melbourne today, the crime CRISI
40:03
Speaker 1: is just out of control. I know it's bad in
40:06
Speaker 1: other places in Australia and North Queensland one Alice Springs,
40:09
Speaker 1: of course, we know about in Darwin. You know in
40:12
Speaker 1: Sydney it seems to be limited to the Middle Eastern
40:14
Speaker 1: crime gangs. But you know this Northland shopping center, there
40:19
Speaker 1: was a fire there today. Yesterday you had a car
40:22
Speaker 1: trying to escape a police chase driving straight through the
40:25
Speaker 1: middle of a shopping center at speed. It's the same
40:29
Speaker 1: shopping center where that Mashety attack happened. I mean, really,
40:33
Speaker 1: crime in this city of Melbourne is youth crime is
40:37
Speaker 1: completely out of control.
40:39
Speaker 4: It's almost like Steve.
40:41
Speaker 9: There's a connection between someone's passion for social justice and
40:45
Speaker 9: a lack of actual justice. Melbourne is a social justice
40:47
Speaker 9: capital of this country and it's also the crime capital
40:50
Speaker 9: of this country. I think there's a connection. Look at
40:53
Speaker 9: what the government have been doing. They made bail easier
40:56
Speaker 9: to get. In fact, they instructed judges to make bail
41:00
Speaker 9: the automatic choice, especially for young people. They tried to
41:04
Speaker 9: raise the age of criminal responsibility. They refuse to talk
41:07
Speaker 9: about ethnic crime as if it doesn't exist, and if
41:10
Speaker 9: it does exist, it's.
41:11
Speaker 4: Impolite to talk about it.
41:14
Speaker 9: They focus on making offenders into victims rather than requiring
41:17
Speaker 9: offenders to take responsibility. So, I mean, it's tragic for Victorians,
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Speaker 9: but the greater a government's commitment to social justice, inevitably
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Speaker 9: you see whether you look in the United States or
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Speaker 9: here in Victoria, you see actual, real justice for real
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Speaker 9: victims is non existent.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's going to be really interesting too, because Evelyn,
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Speaker 1: Victoria has just hired a new police commissioner who comes
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Speaker 1: from New Zealand, who happened to be police commissioner under
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Speaker 1: Justinda r. Dern. So if you can keep Justinda ardernhappy
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Speaker 1: when you're police commissioner, I'm not sure you're going to
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Speaker 1: do too much for the Victorian crime problems. Evelyn. Now,
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Speaker 1: I just want to end this on this brilliant story.
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Speaker 1: Officials from the Powerball Lottery are on the hunt for
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Speaker 1: a winner who I bought a ticket in BONDI. The
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Speaker 1: ticket is worth one hundred million dollars and they can't
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Speaker 1: find him because he didn't register his ticket. Can you imagine, Well,
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Speaker 1: if you put that ticket through the washing machine or whatever,
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Speaker 1: you can still claim the lottery, but one hundred million
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Speaker 1: it would be one of the biggest lottery wins ever.
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Speaker 10: Look, I'm happy to volunteer to try and track down
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Speaker 10: this particular person.
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Speaker 6: Being an ex detective.
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Speaker 10: I'm sure I could do it in a small fees
42:27
Speaker 10: all I would request in response to that, but I
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Speaker 10: think they have something like six years to actually come
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Speaker 10: forward and claim that. I wonder if they could get
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Speaker 10: interest on one hundred million in six years, haven't that
42:39
Speaker 10: be insane?
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Speaker 1: And if no one claims that the money goes back
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Speaker 1: to the community, which apparently goes to all sorts of
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Speaker 1: charities and things, so that might not be a bad thing.
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Speaker 1: But I hope they find the person on the hope
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Speaker 1: he finds his ticket. Evelyn Ray James McPherson. Great to
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Speaker 1: catch up with you both. Thank you very much. After
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Speaker 1: the break, our regular guest on the Bolt program, Patrick
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Speaker 1: Christie's you'll join me from London as the UK is
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Speaker 1: weighing up whether to lend its hand in the Iran
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Speaker 1: Israel conflict, plus the successes of their Prime Minister Kis
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Speaker 1: Starmer when ours fell over. Welcome back to Steve Price,
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Speaker 1: with you for Andrew joining me now. Patrick Christie's host
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Speaker 1: from gb News joins Andrew every Thursday night, Patrick, thanks
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Speaker 1: for being with us. I must say I looked at
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Speaker 1: the G seven meeting and your Prime Minister, Sir Kias Starmer,
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Speaker 1: he's been very busy. I watched in interest when he
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Speaker 1: stood with Donald Trump together after they'd had some meeting,
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Speaker 1: and Trump went on and on and on, and Keir
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Speaker 1: Starma just stood there like almost a naughty schoolboy with
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Speaker 1: the headmaster, talking about what they'd been talking about in
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Speaker 1: his office.
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Speaker 11: Well, yes, I mean to be honest with you, it
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Speaker 11: meant to change to see Kars Starma take the knee
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Speaker 11: to President Trump because he's normally busy doing again to
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Speaker 11: Black Lives Matter. But Kis Starmer has basically carved in
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Speaker 11: on everything that President Trump wanted him to do. There
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Speaker 11: is a trade deal that's been signed. That trade deal
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Speaker 11: basically betrays British steel, which was it was supposed to
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Speaker 11: do the opposite of There is some hypocrisy here of
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Speaker 11: a man in the shape of our Prime Minister who
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Speaker 11: initially said I'd never have President Trump round for tea.
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Speaker 11: First thing he did when he met him was inviting
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Speaker 11: round for tea with the King. His foreign secretary is
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Speaker 11: called the President of the United States a neo Nazi,
44:28
Speaker 11: sympathizing woman hating sociopaths, so you know, there is all.
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Speaker 4: Of that stuff.
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Speaker 11: However, however, Kirs Starmer has managed to play the don
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Speaker 11: quite well so far, predominantly because President Trump is actually not,
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Speaker 11: in fact any of those horrific things that a lot
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Speaker 11: of people call him. He is quite realistic when it
44:46
Speaker 11: comes to Britain. He's got business interests here, he's got
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Speaker 11: family history in Scotland, and he's willing to do anything
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Speaker 11: to prioritize a special relationship, even though people like our
44:54
Speaker 11: Prime Minister at times have called him a lot of
44:57
Speaker 11: very nasty things.
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Speaker 1: Patrick, what sort of it he goes? Stamma got Well,
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Speaker 1: I think he's.
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Speaker 11: Got an unbelievable ego that borders on almost a kind
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Speaker 11: of autistic focus on what his.
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Speaker 5: Own mind really is.
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Speaker 11: It is a remarkable situation where he has been told
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Speaker 11: for almost all of his entire life that he is
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Speaker 11: some kind of super genius and he's got this really
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Speaker 11: astute mind for the law. Unfortunately for him, that has
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Speaker 11: now come into contact with reality, and there is a big,
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Speaker 11: wider world out there full of people who feel very
45:29
Speaker 11: differently about Britain than him himself. And his political judgment
45:33
Speaker 11: has been called into question on numerous different occasions. So
45:36
Speaker 11: whether it was branding a load of people who care
45:38
Speaker 11: about immigration far right, for example, whether it's his judgment
45:42
Speaker 11: when it comes to backing a chancellor that seems intent
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Speaker 11: on bankruptcy in this country, whether it's in terms of
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Speaker 11: his foreign policy so helping the Spanish and the European
45:51
Speaker 11: Union put boots on the ground on British sovereign territory
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Speaker 11: in places like Gibraltar, or of course what happened with
45:58
Speaker 11: the Chagos Islands surrendered deal. So his ego is now
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Speaker 11: taking a battering, so much so that he is currently
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Speaker 11: third in the opinion polls, remarkable for a bloke who
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Speaker 11: won a landslide majority less than a year ago.
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Speaker 1: You're wonder Patrick whether there was any discussion about illegal
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Speaker 1: immigration between Trump and Starmer and whether Donald Trump gave
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Speaker 1: him some advice how he might be able to fix
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Speaker 1: up the miss that is wrecking Great Britain with illegal migration.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, and he really is wrecking Great Britain.
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Speaker 11: Actually, this week has been a devastating week for stats,
46:30
Speaker 11: the kind of facts that we were all told that
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Speaker 11: didn't really exist. So unfortunately, the latest figures showed that
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Speaker 11: a quarter of sexophenses are committed by people who were
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Speaker 11: foreign born. We've also shown that British Pakistani or just
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Speaker 11: Pakistani men in Britain are unfortunately overrepresented when it comes
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Speaker 11: to some of the grooming gangcases that we've seen. We've
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Speaker 11: had an asylum seeker who's from Afghanistan who raped a
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Speaker 11: fifteen year old girl stand up before a judge in
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Speaker 11: a court of law and say that he didn't really
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Speaker 11: think he'd done anything wrong, and that was because in
47:03
Speaker 11: his home country child marriage is absolutely fine. So all
47:06
Speaker 11: of this stuff has happened in the last week alone
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Speaker 11: here in Britain, as well as the continuation of people
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Speaker 11: coming across the English Channel illegally. There just appears to
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Speaker 11: be a reluctance to do much of significance about that
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Speaker 11: from our Prime Minister, and you're right, that was a
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Speaker 11: good opportunity for him potentially there at the G seven
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Speaker 11: to go and speak to President Trump. Unfortunately, he wouldn't
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Speaker 11: have liked the answer, would it, because the answer involves
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Speaker 11: bringing the military in and ignoring international law.
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Speaker 1: Just quickly, What would do the mood be in the
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Speaker 1: UK to have British troops involved in this war against Iran?
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Speaker 11: Very mixed, I'm afraid so. I think a lot of
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Speaker 11: people would think we should be supporting the.
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Speaker 4: US and Israel.
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Speaker 11: I'm probably in that camp. The mixed bag of that
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Speaker 11: would be that we have Iranian terrorist sleeper cells here
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Speaker 11: in Britain. We have a huge community of people that
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Speaker 11: would look to support Iran over the interests of Britain.
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Speaker 11: It would cause domestic issues here. And our Attorney General
48:05
Speaker 11: at the moment is on the front of one of
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Speaker 11: the newspapers this morning in Britain saying he thinks that
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Speaker 11: supporting the US and Israel than war might actually be illegal.
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Speaker 4: So we'll wait and see.
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Speaker 1: Great stir Patrick, it was a pleasure to catch up
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Speaker 1: with you. Thank you very much, mate. I'll talk to
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Speaker 1: you next week. Coming up next Shari and you've got
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Speaker 1: to watch out tonight because there could be a lot
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Speaker 1: of action in that conflict between Iran and Israel. Is
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Speaker 1: Shari