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Foster and Friends Vol 153 The Senator George Allen · Foster and Friends

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SPEAKER_09: Grabbed him by the and pushed him at the chest and kind of grabbed him pretty aggressively.
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SPEAKER_09: You're probably going to defend yourself.
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SPEAKER_09: You know, so first thing I know, so he he landed a pretty good right hand.
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SPEAKER_09: And so when that happened, I was like, okay, well, I should probably return fire at this point.
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SPEAKER_01: Now from the NSB Radio Network, Foster and Friends.
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SPEAKER_01: Here's Bud and Mac.
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SPEAKER_08: Welcome in, fostering friends, for another week.
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SPEAKER_08: And uh we are approaching uh I Bud, I was looking at the number and welcome, and and I'll give you the official introduction in a minute.
1:21
SPEAKER_08: I was looking at numbers.
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SPEAKER_08: We are approaching, we're getting close to 200 podcasts, 200 shows, uh, right in the middle of our fourth year.
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SPEAKER_08: I know numbers mean nothing to you guys unless it's third and three and you're in the red zone.
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SPEAKER_05: I get that.
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SPEAKER_05: Scoring defense, whatever, scoring off.
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SPEAKER_08: The number I'm interested in today, okay, and Senator George Allen is gonna join us a little later.
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SPEAKER_08: We're gonna talk about the Protect College Sports Act.
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SPEAKER_08: How how much did you win before the Eagles concert in Vegas?
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SPEAKER_05: How much money uh but I only uh but Jesse won.
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SPEAKER_05: She came up on top by 20.
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SPEAKER_08: Oh, see, you gotta love that.
2:04
SPEAKER_08: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
2:05
SPEAKER_05: But uh, you know, yeah, we're I'm not a big gambler.
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SPEAKER_05: I really not in Jesse's the slot, but we end up getting on the roulette table.
2:15
SPEAKER_05: And so that was a lot of fun, you know.
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SPEAKER_08: And uh how do you win in roulette?
2:19
SPEAKER_05: How do you beat hey?
2:21
SPEAKER_05: Trust me, it's hard.
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SPEAKER_05: But uh it kept it kept Jesse entertained, and I got free, you know, we got drinks and everything.
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SPEAKER_05: So that was a that was a good thing.
2:32
SPEAKER_05: But I will say this the sphere was in the real deal.
2:37
SPEAKER_05: Number one, you know, I mean, a lot of people don't, they haven't had a hit in a long time, but right uh they sounded amazing.
2:45
SPEAKER_05: I can't, they were better than I expected.
2:47
SPEAKER_05: And Vince Gill as an addition was tremendous.
2:51
SPEAKER_05: I mean, they didn't they didn't miss a note.
2:53
SPEAKER_05: It's I could have you could have shut your eyes.
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SPEAKER_05: You thought you were listening to an LP back in the day.
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SPEAKER_05: That's how good they were.
3:00
SPEAKER_05: And uh, and then the sphere's incredible, it really is.
3:04
SPEAKER_05: Like you have to catch yourself to make sure you watch the band because you you can be uh enamored by what's going on in that, you know, with the uh immersion of that the graphics and everything.
3:16
SPEAKER_05: We did take in the Wizard of Oz on Sunday.
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SPEAKER_05: Really?
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SPEAKER_05: Yeah, which was incredible.
3:23
SPEAKER_05: I mean, uh that was incredible itself.
3:26
SPEAKER_05: I mean, it was uh uh I mean if you you gotta go see it, you know.
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SPEAKER_08: Now the Wizard of Oz was at the sphere as well.
3:33
SPEAKER_05: Yeah, no, they just show the movie, and that's been a that's a continuous running deal.
3:38
SPEAKER_05: I think they show it two or three times a day.
3:40
SPEAKER_05: Okay, and um, so uh we we went ahead and got tickets for that for Sunday.
3:46
SPEAKER_04: How good is that?
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SPEAKER_05: It was it was incredible.
3:50
SPEAKER_05: I've always been a Wizard of Oz fan anyway.
3:52
SPEAKER_05: I think I've watched it every year since I can remember.
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SPEAKER_05: And uh to see it, and I I get to check it off this year already.
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SPEAKER_08: Sure.
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SPEAKER_05: It was it was incredible.
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SPEAKER_05: Well, the sound seen it, you gotta go see the go to the spear.
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SPEAKER_08: We are you and I, yeah, I I am dying to see it.
4:09
SPEAKER_08: You and I are real sound guys because of the concerts, and we love concerts, and we listen, you know, a lot of music and that kind of thing.
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SPEAKER_08: How was the acoustics and sound just like ridiculous?
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SPEAKER_05: Ridiculous.
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SPEAKER_05: I mean, I I this this not because I mean Eagles are one of my top five bands, period.
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SPEAKER_05: Sure, sure.
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SPEAKER_05: But they performed maybe the best I've ever seen live in concert because you know they harmonized so I mean it was like I said, it was they were they were amazing.
4:39
SPEAKER_05: They weren't good, they were amazing.
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SPEAKER_05: And uh but the sound in there is is just yeah, the acoustics are incredible as well.
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SPEAKER_05: I just it was a great experience.
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SPEAKER_05: It was to me, it was almost like it was a uh spiritual kind of deal.
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SPEAKER_05: Gave me goosebumps, to be honest with you.
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SPEAKER_08: Did they did they close with Hotel California?
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SPEAKER_08: Is that no?
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SPEAKER_05: They opened with Hotel California.
5:01
SPEAKER_08: They opened with it, okay.
5:02
SPEAKER_05: Closed with Desperado, but uh oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
5:06
SPEAKER_08: Okay.
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SPEAKER_05: Um I mean, it it was just um oh, uh it's hard to describe.
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SPEAKER_05: They just sounded so good.
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SPEAKER_05: Uh, they harmonized so good.
5:16
SPEAKER_05: Um you know, um it's Don Henley's voice is just incredible.
5:24
SPEAKER_05: Uh Vince Gill sang most of Glenn Fry's songs, and I'm a Vince Gill fan, but he was on point.
5:33
SPEAKER_05: Um, they did have Deacon Fry, uh, Glenn Fry's son played one song.
5:39
SPEAKER_05: Um, and um, but it was um, like I said, I it was and then uh Joe Walsh is obviously Joe Walsh, but yeah, that dude can still play the game.
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SPEAKER_08: Probably gets in the sphere and goes, oh wow.
5:56
SPEAKER_08: Wow, this is pretty cool.
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SPEAKER_05: I will say that I had a couple, I had a couple moments in the sphere with the background.
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SPEAKER_05: It felt like you were on an amusement ride, you know.
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SPEAKER_05: Jeez, how could you catch yourself, your equilibrium gets a little bit distorted, you know.
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SPEAKER_05: Now I might it might have had some help, but it was for the most part, it was uh it was just kind of uh it was a you got to see experience all the way around.
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SPEAKER_08: Gotta see it.
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SPEAKER_08: All right, we have a great, a great show today.
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SPEAKER_08: Uh, Senator George Allen is gonna join us uh in a few minutes uh as we talk about the Protect College Sports Act.
6:26
SPEAKER_08: I couldn't think of anybody better to really talk to talk about it.
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SPEAKER_08: Uh and uh we pushed back a day and uh just to you know to get him.
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SPEAKER_08: So we're gonna do that.
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SPEAKER_08: We're gonna we'll go to break here and come back.
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SPEAKER_08: I can't wait to break down the debacle that was NC State at Vanderbilt.
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SPEAKER_08: A lot, a lot of college football from last week.
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SPEAKER_08: Some great games today, too.
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SPEAKER_08: We'll that uh we're gonna get into.
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SPEAKER_08: Well, break here, we'll come back.
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SPEAKER_08: It's fostering friends and the NSB Radio Network in another big college football weekend.
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SPEAKER_08: Welcome back, Foster and Friends.
8:22
SPEAKER_08: And uh before we get to uh Senator George Allen, who's gonna talk to us about the Protect College Sports Act and what's happening with the Senate, um, it's got to get to the House in November.
8:31
SPEAKER_08: The midterms will cause, you know, that delays uh any part of the bill going over to the uh House of Representatives.
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SPEAKER_08: So, and boy, that's all the political side that I know.
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SPEAKER_08: The voice you just heard was Pete Golding.
8:43
SPEAKER_08: Oh miss Florida.
8:44
SPEAKER_08: Florida's actually favored.
8:46
SPEAKER_08: They're now 20-21 in the country, and they're favored in the swamp uh today, too.
8:51
SPEAKER_08: So that's gonna be a night game, and that'll be crazy.
8:54
SPEAKER_08: But I have to talk strategy with Bud because nobody's better.
8:57
SPEAKER_08: You know, this guy didn't win defensive coordinator awards for being a slouch, right?
9:02
SPEAKER_08: Bud understands red zone, special situations.
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SPEAKER_08: NC State Vanderbilt.
9:07
SPEAKER_08: I'll talk about them, I'll talk about the betting line in a minute and how crazy it got.
9:10
SPEAKER_08: Okay.
9:11
SPEAKER_08: NC State's up three, six seconds left, fourth down, four-yard line.
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SPEAKER_08: Dave Dorn decided with his staff, and he said this in the press conference, and I'll play some Dave Dorn for you.
9:21
SPEAKER_08: He said in his presser on uh on Monday that we wanted to take a safety.
9:26
SPEAKER_08: Well, they they screwed up the safety because CJ Bailey was running around, did not, he should not have been touched.
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SPEAKER_08: He got touched, tackled, fumble.
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SPEAKER_08: Vandy wins.
9:37
SPEAKER_08: Okay.
9:38
SPEAKER_08: Now, bud, explain to me the situation that's called, and I looked this up.
9:44
SPEAKER_08: You it's called a safety punt formation.
9:48
SPEAKER_08: Am I right?
9:49
SPEAKER_08: All right, break that down, and what your staff is on the sideline and you're talking about this situation.
9:55
SPEAKER_05: Well, number one, yeah, I mean, uh, totally shocked.
9:59
SPEAKER_05: I mean, that just you know, to end the game that way, um, you know, to lose the game or win the game, it just is incredible.
10:06
SPEAKER_05: But yes, uh, we practice that scenario all the time.
10:10
SPEAKER_05: And it is.
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SPEAKER_05: That's I mean, that's the perfect scenario, you know, is that at the four-yard line, you snap the ball.
10:18
SPEAKER_05: What we would do, we would take it, we we we'd put our punt team in.
10:22
SPEAKER_05: Uh, we would reduce, we had a spread punt, but so we reduce our punt team and get those guys down in everybody in the box, so to speak.
10:30
SPEAKER_05: And uh, so we're just gonna basically reach out and tackle the guys that you know across from us.
10:36
SPEAKER_05: But we're gonna put a receiver in or somebody who has that you trust most with the football outside of your quarterback, you know.
10:44
SPEAKER_05: But we're gonna snap the ball for us.
10:46
SPEAKER_05: It was a receiver, we'd snap the ball to the receiver.
10:50
SPEAKER_05: He would catch the ball, run, you know, we would block the people up front, you know, for six seconds, let him run around.
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SPEAKER_05: If he's and and at the last second, if somebody's coming to tackle him, he would step out of bounds.
11:02
SPEAKER_05: And hopefully, if there was any time left on the clock, it might be only a second, you know, or two at the most.
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SPEAKER_05: If somebody just got turned loose.
11:12
SPEAKER_05: Um, but that's a scenario that at least I know since I even started playing.
11:19
SPEAKER_05: That I mean, particularly when I since I've been in college as a player, right, and all the way to my end as coaching, that's the scenario.
11:27
SPEAKER_05: I mean, we never did have the quarterback do that.
11:31
SPEAKER_05: And I'm curious to see if if Dave and them had even practice that because well, the thing is it was fourth down, and the clock was an issue.
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SPEAKER_08: So, in other words, it's not a Hail Mary situation because you may have time on the clock, even one second, Vandy could have run one play, kicked a field goal to tie.
11:49
SPEAKER_08: It was 31-28, or you know, just had time to decide if they wanted to try to win it.
11:54
SPEAKER_08: So, but it was fourth down, so you can't take a knee, correct?
11:58
SPEAKER_05: Because you have to go to the end zone.
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SPEAKER_05: Yeah, I'm sure they're thinking he's the best player with the ball in his hands, you know, and that get into the end zone and buy time and then take a knee.
12:12
SPEAKER_05: You know, I'm sure he was not supposed to get touched.
12:16
SPEAKER_05: Correct.
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SPEAKER_08: So, all right.
12:21
SPEAKER_08: First, first half of Dave, uh, Dave Doyn in his press conference said, uh, I mean, he made it clear and you know saying, okay, guys, let's talk about the play that everybody is talking about.
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SPEAKER_03: With six seconds left in the game on the minus two, we decided as a staff to take a safety.
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SPEAKER_03: Plan was to you know use a uh take a safety play that allows us to also milk the clock.
12:43
SPEAKER_03: That play is designed to allow the quarterback to roll to his right, milk the clock until people get near him and then fall down and not take contact.
12:52
SPEAKER_03: And obviously that's not what happened.
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SPEAKER_08: Yeah, exactly.
12:55
SPEAKER_08: That's not what happened.
12:56
SPEAKER_03: So the repercussions, you know, the other option is throwing the ball as far as you can from the pocket.
13:03
SPEAKER_03: Again, rolling out, uh, doing that out of your own end zone.
13:06
SPEAKER_03: We're on the right hash, which means you're rolling out to a shorter space with a right arm quarterback.
13:12
SPEAKER_03: You're throwing the ball up out of your own end zone, hoping that the clock operator being on the road uh doesn't hold the clock a little bit on you.
13:20
SPEAKER_03: Because if you do throw that and five seconds go off, they get the ball on the two.
13:24
SPEAKER_03: And just felt like that was a much riskier play in our own end zone than what we opted to do.
13:30
SPEAKER_03: We practice those plays every Friday, you know, and and we have a lot of time spent on game-ending plays.
13:37
SPEAKER_03: And so it's tough because we were prepared for the moment.
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SPEAKER_08: Okay.
13:40
SPEAKER_08: So with all that being said, yeah, go ahead, Joe.
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SPEAKER_05: Uh go ahead, but no, I I'm just those those scenarios right there with the quarterback.
13:48
SPEAKER_05: I mean, we practice that on our end of it defensively.
13:51
SPEAKER_05: I mean, I'm bringing out a full, I'm bringing a full-fledged blitz, man.
13:55
SPEAKER_05: You know, I mean, we know what they're like you said, if we go, we're gonna make him have to get rid of the ball quickly.
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SPEAKER_05: Not gonna, I mean, that's one of those uh I just don't agree with that.
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SPEAKER_05: I don't agree with that um uh scenario.
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SPEAKER_05: And uh, you know, if one thing if he's taking the ball, getting getting, and I can't remember, I didn't see the did he take it from under center?
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SPEAKER_05: Yeah or yeah, so number one, that's a mistake.
14:23
SPEAKER_05: Don't do it under center, take a shotgun snap.
14:26
SPEAKER_05: That'd be the same thing as is a punter, you know, and then tackle everybody.
14:30
SPEAKER_05: What we do, teach them to tackle.
14:32
SPEAKER_05: I mean, yeah, we may throw a flag for uh you know, penalty, but they're not gonna, you know, the time still runs off.
14:40
SPEAKER_05: So what do you do?
14:40
SPEAKER_05: You snap it and take a knee in the end zone, and the game's over.
14:44
SPEAKER_08: I gotta retract.
14:45
SPEAKER_08: I'm I'm sitting there thinking, did he I I I'm pretty sure he was under center.
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SPEAKER_08: Now maybe he took a I'm trying to remember the video now, but it seems like but never get touched.
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SPEAKER_05: That's the whole thing.
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SPEAKER_05: Never get touched.
14:57
SPEAKER_05: And if you gotta punt the ball, you know, or you know, or you can you get a free kick, so you can kick it off if your kicker is a better uh kicker than your punter.
15:05
SPEAKER_08: And if you show punt, Vandy would have to set up for a return trying to down it before and here's it so you want to hear the the best part though, and you guys, when I say you guys, coaches, you're not worried about the line.
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SPEAKER_08: The line, the line was three and a half, state was an underdog, and they were favored by three and a half, so it's 3128.
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SPEAKER_08: Okay, so Vanderbilt gets the touchdown, and now it is 3431.
15:40
SPEAKER_08: However, the SEC replay guy said there's one second left on the clock.
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SPEAKER_08: Bandy has to kick the extra points.
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SPEAKER_08: Final 35-31.
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SPEAKER_08: And Bandy gets the win and they cover.
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SPEAKER_05: So well, you know, the the part about that, even if why they made I don't know why they made them, I guess you have to, there's time left.
16:11
SPEAKER_05: And I mean, even if they block the extra point and take it the other way, it's still only a two-point, so they still win the game.
16:18
SPEAKER_05: Yeah, exactly.
16:19
SPEAKER_05: Exactly.
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SPEAKER_05: No, I just I don't I just uh I don't agree with how they handled the I mean we practice that, I mean, on both ways, like offensively.
16:29
SPEAKER_05: You throw that, you do that uh that sprintout play or throw the ball as far as you can.
16:34
SPEAKER_05: You do that more was you're towards, you know, in like as Dave said, you don't want to do it on the two-yard line, you know, or in the four-yard line.
16:43
SPEAKER_05: I'm I'm taking, I'm I'm putting my punt team in.
16:47
SPEAKER_05: I don't care if even if it's you know um uh at four, you know, with fourth down, I'm putting them in, and that's the that's the play that we practiced.
16:55
SPEAKER_05: You know, but I know what we do on defense, we're going full go.
16:59
SPEAKER_08: So all right.
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SPEAKER_08: Good stuff.
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SPEAKER_08: We'll go to break, we'll come back.
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SPEAKER_08: Senator George Allen's gonna join us in just a little bit.
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SPEAKER_08: Welcome back, Foster and Friends.
18:43
SPEAKER_08: And uh Bud and I were laughing during the break that it was 130 episodes ago that we had this guy on.
18:49
SPEAKER_08: I think at that time I asked the senator if it would be okay if he'd be a regular.
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SPEAKER_08: I tried to hit at least once a month, but his schedule does not really allow for that.
18:57
SPEAKER_08: Uh, Senator George Allen, one of the guys that would know something about the Protect College Sports Act buds.
19:03
SPEAKER_08: And Senator, good to see you.
19:05
SPEAKER_05: I wanted to go out and number one, uh Senator Allen's great to see you.
19:09
SPEAKER_05: I know we we go uh way back from uh, you know, and just it's great to see you and have you on the show.
19:15
SPEAKER_05: I want to throw out some, you know, I'm talking some uh political jargon here real quick.
19:21
SPEAKER_05: I just saw where the uh the Senate and I don't know voted 70 to 21 to invoke cloture, if I'm saying that right.
19:30
SPEAKER_05: And how does that mean as we move forward?
19:34
SPEAKER_05: I know that there that that either means they can terminate a vote or and I think what maybe where this direction may be going because of all the talk and the hoopla about uh this you know protect the college sports act, but that also means that they could cap the debate, meaning they're probably not gonna go, they're gonna talk about the pertinent issues that tie into it and really limit probably the discussion.
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SPEAKER_05: Am I am I on point right there?
20:02
SPEAKER_05: And then I'm gonna leave you with that.
20:04
SPEAKER_05: And then the thing is that this debate is yours to talk about the to get this thing started about.
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SPEAKER_08: You have the floor, Senator.
20:12
SPEAKER_07: You have the floor.
20:13
SPEAKER_07: All right.
20:14
SPEAKER_07: Well, I don't want to put that, I mean, the they they worship process in Washington, and then the coach is trying to bring some semblance of common sense that normal people might understand.
20:24
SPEAKER_07: I did say I hope to never uh think the way that y'all do up here because most normal people don't want to hear it.
20:31
SPEAKER_07: The the the main point of this is invoking cloture means that they're not filibustering the bill because if they didn't get that, then they'd never even get to the bill to even discuss, debate, and amend it.
20:45
SPEAKER_07: So the the point is is that that that that's a threshold, they're onto the playing field, so they actually have the I'm gonna try to use a sports analogy.
20:56
SPEAKER_07: All right, you're gonna have a game, we're gonna have a game, as opposed to saying no, we're not gonna have a game, which is you know the not invoking cloture or stopping that filibustering.
21:07
SPEAKER_07: Now, what happens next will be uh amendments.
21:10
SPEAKER_07: There are people, there are senators who don't like the bill as drafted or would like to see modifications or some other uh aspects, provisions put into it.
21:22
SPEAKER_07: But at least they said, all right, let's let's at least have a debate, which is helpful.
21:28
SPEAKER_07: Those are those those those people who think there should be some guardrails put into uh college athletics presently.
21:36
SPEAKER_07: Um and so there'll be amendments to it.
21:41
SPEAKER_07: It's hard to say how many amendments they will have and allow.
21:46
SPEAKER_07: Uh and based on on how some of those amendments are are uh fair as far as their votes, say Corey Booker, who believe it or not, I kind of agree with Corey say.
22:00
SPEAKER_07: Senator Corey Booker's view of this issue.
22:03
SPEAKER_07: I don't know how much you follow.
22:04
SPEAKER_07: Obviously, Ted Cruz, Senator Ted Cruz of Texas, and Maria Cantwell of Washington State, a Republican and Democrat are the chief patrons of this.
22:14
SPEAKER_07: But there are others who are uh are against it or want to put provisions.
22:20
SPEAKER_07: And that's that's the debating and amendment process.
22:23
SPEAKER_07: And so at the end of that, um, usually with a bill like this, or a lot of legislation, is that is there more good than bad?
22:33
SPEAKER_07: Or do you have to hold your nose and vote for it, or it's just it's too uh too distasteful that even if you do like a provision or two, you just think the overall bill is too bad and you vote against it.
22:46
SPEAKER_07: So that'll be the the Senate deliberative body aspect of it.
22:51
SPEAKER_07: And then obviously ultimately to become law, uh it will have to pass the House of Representatives as well.
22:58
SPEAKER_07: I'm I and it in the reality is if this gets through the Senate in some form, whatever form it it emerges from the Senate and passed, it would I'd I'd I'd be surprised if it passes in the exact form that it's in right now.
23:14
SPEAKER_07: There'll be amendments, then it's got to get through the house.
23:17
SPEAKER_07: The how then you know you've got elections coming up, the house is gone.
23:20
SPEAKER_07: Uh, this is most likely to pass if it's gonna pass this year, it'll be in the lame duck session after the elections.
23:29
SPEAKER_07: And a lot gets done after the elections and these so-called lame duck sessions, everything from appropriations bills and a variety of other things that get done at the at the very end uh of it.
23:42
SPEAKER_07: The the the question, the one, the one comment, and you know, coach, I admire you, and I think you're just one of the you're you're a rarity uh in coaching, especially as an assistant coach, and you're revered, loved, and and respected.
24:01
SPEAKER_07: And and you've stayed at Virginia Tech.
24:03
SPEAKER_07: A lot of assistant coaches, if you look at their resumes, they've been at a dozen different places when the head coach and what you you were with Beamer, which helps a great deal.
24:12
SPEAKER_07: That coach Beamer had that longevity, he's not like Slovenly Lane Kifib, uh who goes from one place to the other.
24:20
SPEAKER_08: Of course, Lane Kiffin reference.
24:22
SPEAKER_07: Yeah, yeah.
24:23
SPEAKER_07: I'm just so happy.
24:24
SPEAKER_07: I grew by the way, I grew up Ole Miss was my favorite because Archie was my hero.
24:30
SPEAKER_07: Yeah, and I really uh dislike Slovenly Lane Kiff, Kifib, I call him.
24:38
SPEAKER_07: Um and uh and so I when he was there, I had to be against Ole Miss, and I've liked LSU till now.
24:46
SPEAKER_07: So I just you know, revenge, you know, coach, and Matt, you know this too.
24:50
SPEAKER_07: Revenge is a great motivation, it is absolutely old miss.
24:55
SPEAKER_07: I was my son and I were at the uh at Bristol, baby, at the race track, uh the race, the Saturday night race at Bristol, which is my favorite track, and uh they had TVs and they have the Tennessee-Kennesaw State game on, but they also had the old miss LSU game on as well, and in the in this food city suite.
25:15
SPEAKER_07: So, anyway, one of my favorite comments.
25:17
SPEAKER_07: I'm sorry to get off on that tangent and detour.
25:20
SPEAKER_07: Uh I I have a great deal of respect for for Nick Saban, but he made Coach Saban said some comment about we don't we don't want Congress micromanaging how we run uh college athletics.
25:33
SPEAKER_07: I said, Well, then when the heck are you going to Congress for?
25:36
SPEAKER_06: You sat at the table.
25:39
SPEAKER_07: What do you think?
25:40
SPEAKER_07: They're just gonna sit there and just do whatever you want them to do and and try to recreate a feudal system.
25:47
SPEAKER_07: So uh I think that the uh the difficulties in this bill, I and I know all the college administrators and you know the the proponents are well funded and they've made tons of contributions and they're running ads.
26:05
SPEAKER_07: They've even got Matthew McConaughey running ads uh and so forth with it.
26:11
SPEAKER_07: So they have all of that.
26:12
SPEAKER_07: Uh the but the principle that would matter to me is I think especially football players ought to be paid.
26:20
SPEAKER_07: They're risking their health, they're they're uh uh making literally tens, if not hundreds, of millions of dollars for athletic programs, and and football is a business, and athletics is a business.
26:34
SPEAKER_07: And the football programs have to pay for all these other sports.
26:39
SPEAKER_07: Uh the the basketball and some of the women's programs and basketball will will pay for themselves for the most part, depending on what conference you're in.
26:50
SPEAKER_07: If you're in the ACC in Big Ten and probably most of the ACC and Big 12, yeah, they all can pay for themselves.
26:58
SPEAKER_07: But the um there's not a limit on coaches uh and how much they're paid.
27:05
SPEAKER_07: And uh one of the difficulties is you have freedom of contract.
27:10
SPEAKER_07: It's not a difficulty, one of the admirable aspects of our free enterprise free market system to the extent we have it, is that uh people who who uh have concerts or they're actors or actresses or any anything that you know you you you get paid for for the job you do, whether you're an electrician, a plumber, or football player, and and there's a lot of injuries involved in football.
27:38
SPEAKER_07: It's an inherently uh risky proposition.
27:42
SPEAKER_07: Then you have the restraint of trade with a monopoly.
27:46
SPEAKER_07: And football has more of a monopoly than any other sport, in that the NFL will not draft players unless they've uh gone through three years of eligibility in college, which means that colleges are in a in a roundabout way a minor league or development league for the NFL.
28:05
SPEAKER_07: Uh major league baseball, they have to pay for the single A and A and AAA minor league teams.
28:13
SPEAKER_07: Uh hockey players could get signed out of high school.
28:16
SPEAKER_07: Uh baseball players can get signed into major league baseball out of out of high school.
28:23
SPEAKER_07: Basketball, it's international, as is baseball to some extent, and hockey.
28:29
SPEAKER_07: Football, really, all there is is the NFL, and the only slight competition is the Canadian Football League, but but they limit how many non-Canadians are on the team.
28:41
SPEAKER_07: That's that's why in Canadian football your skilled positions are usually U.S.
28:46
SPEAKER_07: quarterbacks and running backs.
28:48
SPEAKER_07: The linemen all are generally Canadian.
28:50
SPEAKER_07: So so you have that restraint of trade, but the NFL gets away with this monopoly because they have a collective bargaining agreement.
28:59
SPEAKER_07: Uh and that's going to be one of the debating points for college sports, is are the colleges don't want these football players to be employees.
29:10
SPEAKER_07: They and I I'm not one who's for unions, and I don't think government workers ought to be in unions, collective bargaining, all that's good for as lawyers, and drives up the cost for the taxpayers who have to pay for it.
29:23
SPEAKER_07: If you had collective bargaining for for government employees, it's just increases costs with no measurable uh improvement in services.
29:33
SPEAKER_07: Um, but that's why the NFL gets away with their restraint of trade, because they have a collective bargaining agreement with the unionized players.
29:42
SPEAKER_07: And it that I think that's where this debate's gonna be.
29:45
SPEAKER_07: Uh, the limits, some of the limits they have in there, and how many years you have to play and how many times you can transfer.
29:52
SPEAKER_07: And I also think of when the time of players transferring.
29:56
SPEAKER_07: And I think they're getting that in better order.
29:59
SPEAKER_07: I mean, having players transferring going into the portal uh before you've played a bowl game is just so disruptive.
30:08
SPEAKER_07: And they having them leave after spring practice and so forth.
30:11
SPEAKER_07: It's just there there needs to be some some continuity, some some limits, um, while still giving folks the players the the freedom to to move.
30:22
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32:23
SPEAKER_07: Why don't you sign them to a long-term contract?
32:26
SPEAKER_07: It put them have a three-year contract and put provisions in the contract that if you leave, leave, there's liquidated damages.
32:34
SPEAKER_07: You have to pay a certain amount.
32:35
SPEAKER_07: That's put into pro contracts, obviously, and an NFL, I should say.
32:41
SPEAKER_07: And for coaches, you know, coaches sign these contracts, and if you know, if they fire them early, they get paid anyway, uh, which is fine.
32:50
SPEAKER_07: Uh, but if they leave, there's usually some penalty clause put in there that if you leave, you know, whatever.
32:57
SPEAKER_07: I'm not gonna get into specific colleges, but if you leave early, you're gonna there's there's gonna be millions of dollars of compensation if you leave early.
33:07
SPEAKER_07: So those are the sort of things that actually basic contract law just sign these players long-term contracts.
33:14
SPEAKER_07: I think the reason they don't sign them to long-term contracts for the most part is because that player might not pan out.
33:21
SPEAKER_07: Their scouting might not have been accurate in their evaluation of the talent and the character and the attributes you want in a particular individual.
33:30
SPEAKER_07: And so you say, Well, it's a one-year contract, and and that's it.
33:34
SPEAKER_07: And so they can the colleges can say, Well, we're just not gonna sign you to whatever that amount is for your your second year, your sophomore year, your junior year in college.
33:46
SPEAKER_07: So uh a lot of that is just plain old contract law and and the assessments they make.
33:51
SPEAKER_07: I know Tennessee signed this running back to a three-year contract.
33:56
SPEAKER_07: He's a senior, he's a senior in high school.
33:58
SPEAKER_07: He's actually Quebec, he's from Quebec, speaks French, and he's at a high school in Chattanooga.
34:04
SPEAKER_07: So uh in Chattanooga, and uh and but he's supposedly at what I've seen of him, this guy is just a phenomenal running back, and they've signed him to a three-year contract uh with it.
34:16
SPEAKER_07: So that's that was an inducement.
34:19
SPEAKER_07: Why he picked Tennessee, he likes Tennessee, but he's he's there, but money does matter.
34:25
SPEAKER_08: Do you feel then that the Protect Act came at a good time, that it is a a good idea?
34:31
SPEAKER_07: I well, they the the the the way that these college administrators and athletic directors they could have gone two ways.
34:38
SPEAKER_07: They could go this way, the legislative route, and getting Congress and the federal government involved in this because they're getting a lot of disparate decisions from courts.
34:49
SPEAKER_07: Uh, yeah, like uh, like uh Trinidad is playing as again because of a Mississippi at for Ole Miss because of a Mississippi while while uh uh you know other decisions in different states have been been different uh with it and an enforcement of rules and so forth.
35:08
SPEAKER_07: So they could go back to Congress.
35:10
SPEAKER_07: Now they could they could have, if they so desired, say, all right, they're gonna be employees, and these are the rules we're gonna put and how we're gonna protect them for any injuries and whether whether they're temporary or or long-term disabilities from their injuries, and try to have a collective bargaining agreement.
35:28
SPEAKER_07: But I think that what they've decided is we don't want collective bargaining, that's gonna be too difficult.
35:34
SPEAKER_07: Let's see if we can pull this off in the legislative way, uh, taking that avenue.
35:40
SPEAKER_07: And then the third is just continue with the way they're going.
35:44
SPEAKER_07: And uh, but it the NCAA generally has been losing so many of their cases that they they're looking at this remedy for it.
35:54
SPEAKER_07: Now, uh ultimately it may it may be a remedy uh you know that doesn't get sufficient votes uh out of out of out of the Senate.
36:07
SPEAKER_07: Um it may be they have a majority vote for it, but they're also then gonna have to get it through the House of Representatives as well.
36:15
SPEAKER_05: Well, I would love, you know, not and I and I I I love your perspective, and and I I think this, you're you're just the NCAA right now, they have lost every battle, you know, here recently.
36:25
SPEAKER_05: We need to get some, like you said, particularly with football.
36:29
SPEAKER_05: We need to get uh a governing body that has a backbone that can um you know do oversight and anything that any you know any kind of um situation, anybody tries to circumvent the rules or whatnot, you know, and whether that's the college sports, you know, committee that they it becomes the governing body to have a so-called commissioner that kind of like pro sports that you have a a governing body.
36:58
SPEAKER_05: I I just would love to see us get more on an equal playing field from a standpoint of let's make this cap bigger.
37:07
SPEAKER_05: Also, football gets the majority of it because, like you said, it's this it's the engine that drives the train for everything.
37:14
SPEAKER_07: Right.
37:14
SPEAKER_07: All right, at several points here, coach.
37:17
SPEAKER_07: What one it's what what makes the NFL compared to major league baseball, much more of a level playing field is the salary cap.
37:28
SPEAKER_05: Salary cap, right.
37:29
SPEAKER_07: And then you have the draft, and the you know, and and then they re-jigger, you know, whoever came in last in the division has an easier schedule than whoever came in first.
37:38
SPEAKER_07: And then you have the opposite, not the opposite, but a big difference is major league baseball, where the Dodgers and Yankees buy up all the players, and you have the small market teams in Pittsburgh or you know, wherever that just don't spend as much.
37:55
SPEAKER_07: Is it uh hockey?
37:56
SPEAKER_07: Has a has a has a good level playing field approach to it.
38:00
SPEAKER_07: Major League Baseball doesn't, which is kind of the way it is in college football now.
38:04
SPEAKER_07: Right, right, right.
38:06
SPEAKER_07: You have the SEC and Big Ten just dominate, and Notre Dame's got it.
38:11
SPEAKER_07: Notre Dame is its own class, and then you get the Big 12 and the ACC, then these these other ones are outside of these top four.
38:19
SPEAKER_07: I mean, the amount of money they have to put in in either student fees or or taking out of your other budget for the for the university to prop up the football program is just it's to me doesn't necessarily make economic sense.
38:35
SPEAKER_07: Right.
38:35
SPEAKER_07: So what you'd like to have is you could have a salary cap or an expenditure and so forth.
38:41
SPEAKER_07: The NIL though, say you're paying a quarterback five million dollars.
38:45
SPEAKER_07: If the local car dealership says we want the local car dealership in Austin, Texas says we want Peyton Manning doing ads for our car dealership, or Whataburger in Texas wants Peyton Manning eating a Whataburger.
39:02
SPEAKER_07: Not Peyton, Arch, Arch.
39:05
SPEAKER_07: Excuse me, Arch.
39:06
SPEAKER_07: I knew what you meant.
39:08
SPEAKER_07: I know you guys got it, or or whomever it may be, or this Mensa guy in Florida that they want, you know, the whatever the Florida car dealer is down there wants him driving around in a in a Ford, uh Bronco or something.
39:23
SPEAKER_07: So the that that is separate from the salary, and you're trying to limit that.
39:29
SPEAKER_07: And who's going to determine the market?
39:31
SPEAKER_07: Normally, the market determines what it's what it's what's fair.
39:36
SPEAKER_07: Yeah, what's fair.
39:38
SPEAKER_07: And it may be now the Mannings, the the Manning family in itself, between Peyton and Eli and Archie, and and now Arch.
39:48
SPEAKER_07: I mean, Peyton Manning's doing Peyton Manning, his uncle, you know, he does ads for for insurance and all sorts of different things, subway and all that.
40:00
SPEAKER_05: And so he's Johnston Murphy.
40:03
SPEAKER_07: Yeah, it's what so I don't know how you figure that out.
40:07
SPEAKER_07: The difficulty and the difference because it is a business.
40:10
SPEAKER_07: College football and college athletics are a business.
40:15
SPEAKER_07: The difficulty and difference for colleges that need to be taken into account, and this is the way I would look at it as a senator, is that they have Title IX, and I'm not against Title IX, it gives opportunities to women and women's sports.
40:28
SPEAKER_07: The NFL and none of these pro leagues have to worry about gosh, we have to support the women's flag football league, or or the NBA doesn't need to support the WNBA or some other sport or a volleyball team or something like that.
40:46
SPEAKER_07: There, there's where colleges need to change.
40:50
SPEAKER_07: They have these far-flung conferences in the ACC, they call it the Atlantic Coast Conference.
40:55
SPEAKER_07: It ought to be the all-coast conference.
40:58
SPEAKER_07: All coast, yeah.
40:59
SPEAKER_07: Because you got the Pacific, the Atlantic, and the Gulf, in effect, with with uh SMU.
41:06
SPEAKER_07: And is you got these far-flung, and it's it's generally okay for football.
41:11
SPEAKER_07: But if you're having volleyball teams and golf teams and tennis teams, and some of the northeastern type ones have lacrosse and so forth, and they're and they're taking these teams out to out to the California from Virginia, and it's not just the players, the coaches, it's the trainers, it's the equipment managers.
41:33
SPEAKER_07: And you got the flight costs, you have the lodging costs, you got the food costs.
41:37
SPEAKER_07: My view is as they ought to make all these non-revenue sports, uh, outside of you know football, basketball, and and maybe baseball, uh making them like say 25 regional conferences, and they're and they're playing there, it's no more to say a three-hour bus ride.
41:59
SPEAKER_08: We covered plenty of ground with the former governor of Virginia, Senator George Allen, and boy, there was just so much to talk about.
42:06
SPEAKER_08: As a matter of fact, we're probably gonna spill over to next week.
42:10
SPEAKER_08: We'll just call it part two with the Senator.
42:13
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42:15
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43:22
SPEAKER_01: From the desk of former coaching great Bud Foster, this is Foster and Friends on the NSB Radio Network.
43:29
SPEAKER_03: Five long lives.
43:31
SPEAKER_03: We have been together.
43:33
SPEAKER_08: Welcome back, Foster and Friends, and uh that music coming back, Little Tower of Power.
43:38
SPEAKER_08: They're in their 58th year of uh doing concerts if they get to your area.
43:42
SPEAKER_08: I just thought I'd play that.
43:44
SPEAKER_08: I know Bud loves Tower of Power.
43:45
SPEAKER_08: Anyway, with everything going on, I just I was listening to them this week.
43:49
SPEAKER_08: 58 years of of that horn section and how good they are.
43:53
SPEAKER_08: Man, if you have a chance to see Tower of Power, uh I was playing their records and incredible musician.
44:00
SPEAKER_05: Right, yeah.
44:00
SPEAKER_08: I was playing their records in college, bud.
44:03
SPEAKER_08: When I was spending records at KDLX at Northwest Missouri State, so there you go.
44:10
SPEAKER_05: My brother-in-law is a Tower of Power fan.
44:12
SPEAKER_05: Oh, huge.
44:13
SPEAKER_08: Huge.
44:14
SPEAKER_08: Golf Tournament Monday.
44:16
SPEAKER_08: I cannot wait.
44:18
SPEAKER_08: I cannot wait to see the show that is the Bud Foster Foundation, Lunch Pale Defense Foundation Golf Tournament.
44:26
SPEAKER_08: This ought to be a show.
44:27
SPEAKER_05: Yeah, I'm excited, you know, for you to be here with it and see that we're going to have over 40 teams.
44:33
SPEAKER_05: Uh, like I said, we're playing at beautiful Hermitage Country Club.
44:36
SPEAKER_05: They've got two 18 whole courses.
44:38
SPEAKER_05: Uh, we've got some great auction items, live, silent, some raffles, um, all the food and beverage you can think of and drink and eat.
44:48
SPEAKER_05: And uh it's gonna supposed to be a beautiful day, you know, 70 and um, you know, sunny.
44:54
SPEAKER_05: So uh I can't wait for you to be there and uh help run the show.
44:58
SPEAKER_08: Yeah, it's gonna be fun.
45:01
SPEAKER_08: So, and and plus I haven't seen the Hermitage in a long, long time.
45:04
SPEAKER_08: Used to play there all the time, used to love the Hermitage show.
45:07
SPEAKER_08: I know it's gonna be fun.
45:08
SPEAKER_08: And then I know Sunday night we have pregame, which uh ought to be good.
45:11
SPEAKER_08: Probably that's a good time to record next week's show before we get involved in the Monday.
45:17
SPEAKER_08: But I know you you know you're keeping your level hit because you got a ton of stuff to do.
45:20
SPEAKER_05: But yeah, well, you know what'll be cool about that, Mac?
45:23
SPEAKER_05: We'll we'll have some several former players who'll be there on Sunday night.
45:26
SPEAKER_05: So that'll be.
45:27
SPEAKER_08: Oh, that's awesome.
45:28
SPEAKER_05: You know, we're gonna have we're that's gonna be just kind of a little meet and greet and say hello and appreciate everybody showing up.
45:33
SPEAKER_05: And uh, but yeah, a little pre-tuner and then we'll get going uh Monday.
45:37
SPEAKER_05: And I'm really excited.
45:40
SPEAKER_05: We've got a great crowd, a great turnout, and um, you know, a bunch of good good players, but good people that are supporting a great cause.
45:47
SPEAKER_05: So we're excited.
45:48
SPEAKER_05: Like I said, I'm really excited to have you see.
45:51
SPEAKER_08: I'm pumped.
45:52
SPEAKER_08: No, I'm pumped.
45:53
SPEAKER_08: It'll be fun.
45:53
SPEAKER_08: It's not my first rodeo doing these kind of things, so it'll be uh it'll be fun.
45:57
SPEAKER_08: Um, great week for uh a lot, you know.
46:01
SPEAKER_08: Last week, of course, Virginia Tech 3-0, first time since 2017.
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SPEAKER_08: Virginia did get beat.
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SPEAKER_08: They have a chance to uh you know get back on track this weekend.
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SPEAKER_08: But uh I know in Hokeyland, and that's why your golf tournament should be uh so upbeat, I think people are pretty happy with the the Franklin first year project, aren't they?
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SPEAKER_05: Yeah, there's there's a buzz right now.
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SPEAKER_05: There really is, and deservedly so.
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SPEAKER_05: And just getting started, you know, that's the exciting thing.
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SPEAKER_05: And and uh there's so much hope for the future besides what they're doing this year.
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SPEAKER_05: But uh yeah, we'll see how this game turns out today.
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SPEAKER_05: I know we're recording this uh earlier, so hopefully the weather will cooperate.
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SPEAKER_05: And uh, you know, because I know there's uh you know up in the northeast today, uh there's some significant weather hitting the hitting the you know the coastline.
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SPEAKER_08: Yeah, so and that could be god, you would think of all the rain delays and the lightning delays, too, that have happened.
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SPEAKER_08: Well, anyway, should be fun uh for Bud Foster.
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