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Steve Price | 11 July · Steve Price

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Speaker 1: Live. This is Steve Price.
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Speaker 2: Welcome to the Steve Price Show. I'm Callen Marcus Filling
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Speaker 2: and for Steve coming up tonight. A former ABC director
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Speaker 2: on the broadcaster's anti Semitism blind Spot and Sarah Ferguson's
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Speaker 2: combative interview with a special envoy.
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Speaker 3: Let me just stop you there. Let me just stop
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Speaker 3: you there, Jillian, you must have something in mind. Let
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Speaker 3: me just jump in there, because let me just jump
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Speaker 3: in there.
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Speaker 4: Joe Gersh joins the show shortly.
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Speaker 2: Former Labor leader Bill Shorten Warren's academic freedom is no
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Speaker 2: excuse for anti semitism on university campuses.
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Speaker 5: I will do what I can because Australians of Jewish
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Speaker 5: heritage deserve the same right to be safe as every
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Speaker 5: other Ossie.
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Speaker 2: He'll join me later, and that alpha male hooter is
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Speaker 2: loving Ozsie. Donald Trump has appointed to a plum diplomatic role.
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Speaker 2: But first we told you, Anthony Albanizi. We warned you
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Speaker 2: the government's decision to grant almost three thousand visitor visas
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Speaker 2: to Palestinians from the terror enclave of Gaza with minimal
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Speaker 2: security checks would pose an enormous risk to national security.
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Speaker 2: Now we've seen the detention of sixty one year old
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Speaker 2: Maha l Masri following a pre dawn raid yesterday on
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Speaker 2: her Sydney home after being deemed.
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Speaker 4: A security risk by ASIO.
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Speaker 2: It's been reported al Masri came to Australia from Gaza
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Speaker 2: last year and ASIO has found she failed the character test.
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Speaker 2: Now we don't know the details of how she's alleged to.
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Speaker 4: Have done that. The Prime Minister won't say no because.
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Speaker 6: We don't talk about national security issues and those briefings.
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Speaker 2: But it's clearly believed to be serious enough for officers
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Speaker 2: to swoop into an older woman's home at five am
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Speaker 2: and throw her into detention. Cue the predictable hateful protests
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Speaker 2: by supporters of Almasri outside Home Affairs Minister Tony Burk's
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Speaker 2: office yesterday.
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Speaker 7: Churn books, turn you cannot Tony, you do.
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Speaker 2: Sign and take a closer look at what this protester
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Speaker 2: is wearing. A T shirt reading death Death to the IDF,
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Speaker 2: A sign at the rally read free Gaza Holocaust Survivors,
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Speaker 2: a real slap in the face to actual Holocaust survivors,
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Speaker 2: many who report feeling traumatized by rising anti Semitism levels here.
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Speaker 2: Even children were coached to chant yes, labor, body and all,
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Speaker 2: and this is somehow meant to garner support among everyday Australians.
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Speaker 2: This development within hours of the Special Envoy for Anti
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Speaker 2: Semitism launching her action plan, proves why we need the
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Speaker 2: government to urgently implement its recommendations.
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Speaker 4: As I said on a guest.
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Speaker 2: Today, one of the most significant recommendations is the screening
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Speaker 2: of migrants for anti Semitic views. Now again we don't
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Speaker 2: know if Almasri was detained for this reason due to
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Speaker 2: the secrecy around it. She's now the second Palestinian to
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Speaker 2: have their visa canceled, though Home officials announced at a
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Speaker 2: Senate Estimate hearing in November another Palestinian visa had been
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Speaker 2: revoked on character grounds that person was in detention. We
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Speaker 2: invited Tony Burke onto the show. His office never responded.
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Speaker 2: We also invited Julian Hill, the Assistant Citizenship Minister who
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Speaker 2: reportedly personally made the decision to cancel al Masri's visa,
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Speaker 2: but he's in Bosnia. Despired Albinizi's stubborn refusal to endorse
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Speaker 2: any of the recommendations put forward yesterday, the PM said
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Speaker 2: the government would instead take its time to consider them
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Speaker 2: the PM insisted today this kind of screening already happens.
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Speaker 6: You recall there was a particular American citizen who recently
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Speaker 6: got denied a visa because of the anti Semitic comments
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Speaker 6: that he'd made in having a psalm that praised Adolf Hitler.
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Speaker 2: He's referring, of course, to the unhinged jew hating US
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Speaker 2: megastar Kanye West.
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Speaker 4: Pl you love. They don't understand the things.
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Speaker 1: I said on Twitter.
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Speaker 2: And yes, the government did also deny a visa to
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Speaker 2: anti Jewish conspiracist Candice Owens ahead of her plan speaking
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Speaker 2: tour in Australia last year. But West and Owens are
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Speaker 2: easy targets, both from the far right. It appears significantly
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Speaker 2: more politically difficult for the government to bring itself to
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Speaker 2: take action against extremism when it comes from the hard
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Speaker 2: left or radical Islam.
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Speaker 4: Now why could that be?
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Speaker 2: And it speaks volumes about some of these protesters when
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Speaker 2: this was one's response to the Special Envoice report.
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Speaker 7: Now, what level of narcissism and what level of audacity
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Speaker 7: can you get to that you can stand.
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Speaker 4: Up and say judges need to be educated? How dare you.
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Speaker 2: Someone's been taking a cue from gredit Thumberg's repertoire.
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Speaker 3: All you can talk about is the money and fairy
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Speaker 3: tales of eternal economic growth.
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Speaker 4: How dare you so? Now?
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Speaker 2: It's narcissistic and audacious to want to further educate members
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Speaker 2: of our judiciary and the police force about anti Semitism.
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Speaker 2: And frankly, the response to the report wasn't much better
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Speaker 2: on our public broadcaster. Just take seven thirty host Sarah
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Speaker 2: Ferguson's very first question to the Special Envoyd last night,
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Speaker 2: in a highly combative interview.
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Speaker 3: Why do you insist that the government and its institutions
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Speaker 3: use a definition of antisemitism that's been widely criticized, including
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Speaker 3: by its author, who says it's been used as a
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Speaker 3: blunt instrument to suppress pro Palestinian speech.
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Speaker 4: Each well, I don't accept that.
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Speaker 2: Then there were the many interruptions and Ferguson's usual interview
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Speaker 2: style when it comes to conservatives, even if Jillian Siegel
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Speaker 2: is non partisan.
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Speaker 3: You say you want to have a role monitoring the
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Speaker 3: ABC and holding the ABC and other public another public
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Speaker 3: broadcaster SBS to account on quote avoiding false or distorted narratives.
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Speaker 3: What false or distorted narratives do you have in mind.
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Speaker 4: I don't have anything in particular in mind. Well, let
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Speaker 4: me just stop you there.
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Speaker 3: Let me just stop you there, Jillian, you must have
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Speaker 3: something in mind. Let me just jump in there because
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Speaker 3: you let me. Let me just jump in there on
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Speaker 3: this topic. I just want to come in there going
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Speaker 3: to be important. Indeed, I understand that. But you're asking
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Speaker 3: for specific powers. You're asking for a role in monitoring
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Speaker 3: the public broadcasters.
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Speaker 4: No, no, well, you're asking powers now.
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Speaker 2: I'm not suggesting that this report shouldn't be scrutinized, but
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Speaker 2: the hostel towards the Special Envoy over her recommendation public
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Speaker 2: broadcasters like ABC and SBS should be monitored for false,
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Speaker 2: misleading or unbalanced reporting on the Middle East and anti
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Speaker 2: Semitism is astonishing.
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Speaker 4: The ABC is a billion dollar a year entity.
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Speaker 2: Paid for with our tax dollars. It's time it was
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Speaker 2: finally properly held to account. Now for more on the ABC,
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Speaker 2: I'm pleased as I am joined now by Joe Gersham,
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Speaker 2: who served as ABC director from twenty eighteen to twenty
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Speaker 2: twenty three. Joe, thank you for coming on. First of all,
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Speaker 2: your response to that seven thirty report.
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Speaker 4: I just showed viewers.
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Speaker 8: Well good evening, Caroline. I watched the interview live and
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Speaker 8: I was taken aback frankly at the aggression of Sarah
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Speaker 8: Ferguson's response. It was borderline disrespectful. It was dismissive of
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Speaker 8: Jillian Siegel and dismissive of the report.
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Speaker 1: So could I open.
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Speaker 8: By saying that I thought it was an excellent report.
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Speaker 8: I thought Jillian Siegel was an inspired choice as Antisemitism envoy,
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Speaker 8: and yesterday's report demonstrated the confidence that the government, the
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Speaker 8: Jewish community and the Australian community generally had in her appointment.
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Speaker 4: We'll come back to them as yeah, sorry interrupt.
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Speaker 8: Now if you wanted, but if it was so, if
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Speaker 8: you wanted to talk about, if you wanted to talk
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Speaker 8: about that interview the central point, and Sarah Ferguson is
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Speaker 8: politically savvy, so she understood where she was going by
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Speaker 8: attacking the IRA definition of antisemitism, which by the way,
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Speaker 8: has been accepted by a majority of governments, academic institutions
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Speaker 8: and institutions around the world, and it tries to make
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Speaker 8: clear the distinction between anti Semitism and criticism of Israel,
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Speaker 8: but also where it crosses the line, and that is
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Speaker 8: absolutely crucial because a great deal of what has passed
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Speaker 8: for discourse about a great deal of what has passed
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Speaker 8: as discourse about the Middle East, including on the ABC,
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Speaker 8: crosses that line. And Jillian was trying and Gillian was
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Speaker 8: trying to avoid getting into specific examples because she was
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Speaker 8: trying to explain the purpose of the report. The response
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Speaker 8: was quite extraordinary. The ABC is complaining potentially about being monitored.
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Speaker 8: I don't know whether it's generally known, but the ABC
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Speaker 8: itself monitors every media organization in the country to see
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Speaker 8: what they're saying about the ABC. I don't understand why
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Speaker 8: the ABC wouldn't accept a scrutiny and responsibility for what
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Speaker 8: it broadcasts. It's all in the public domain.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean precisely.
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Speaker 2: It has a weekly show, Media Watch, where it scrutinizes
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Speaker 2: other media coverage. I find it ironic, somewhat hypocritical that
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Speaker 2: it doesn't want that level of scrutiny itself. Now, you've
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Speaker 2: previously criticized the Public Broadcaster for its apparent blind spot
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Speaker 2: when it comes to the concerns of the Jewish community.
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Speaker 4: What did you mean by that and do.
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Speaker 2: You have any confidence now that the ABC will take
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Speaker 2: these concerns more seriously after this Anti Semitism Voice report.
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Speaker 8: Well, what I've said, and I'm afraid I'm still of
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Speaker 8: the same opinion, is that the reason that the ABC
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Speaker 8: is not part of the solution is that it's part
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Speaker 8: of the problem when it comes to anti Semitism. And
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Speaker 8: by that I mean, let me give you an example
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Speaker 8: of what happened yesterday. Well before seven point thirty, driving
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Speaker 8: to and from work, I heard the hourly ABC bulletin,
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Speaker 8: and top of the news was criticism by a splinter
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Speaker 8: group that claims or has some Jewish connection, very small group,
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Speaker 8: not part of the organized Jewish communities, criticism of the report.
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Speaker 8: So top of the ABC news is Jewish organization criticizes
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Speaker 8: Jillian Siegel report not true. All of the major Jewish
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Speaker 8: organizations in the country, all of them have come out
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Speaker 8: in total support of this and looking forward to the
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Speaker 8: government implementing as much, if not all, of this report
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Speaker 8: as is possible in the shortest possible time. When you
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Speaker 8: frame an issue in that way, it sets up the debate.
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Speaker 1: So I'm not.
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Speaker 8: Surprised were several hours later there was a very aggressive
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Speaker 8: interview with Jillian Siegel. Instead of the ABC sharing the
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Speaker 8: pain of the Jewish community about the rise of anti
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Speaker 8: Semitism in the country. This is Friday night in Melbourne.
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Speaker 8: Families are going to sit down to a Shabbat dinner
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Speaker 8: as will I shortly hoping that this week is not
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Speaker 8: like last week where a synagogue was fire bombed, and
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Speaker 8: were it not for the quick mindedness of a thirteen
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Speaker 8: year old, that could have been catastrophic death. There was
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Speaker 8: a rampage in the city by pro Palestinian activists which
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Speaker 8: against an Israeli themed restaurant, which again could have led
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Speaker 8: to huge damage and personal injury. So this is a
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Speaker 8: crisis level problem. And the Jewish community is entitled to
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Speaker 8: two things from its broadcaster. The one is adherence to
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Speaker 8: its charter. Adherence to its charter, which is, by the way,
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Speaker 8: all that Gillian Siegel was asking for in this report,
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Speaker 8: that should the ABC not adhere to its charter, the
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Speaker 8: government consider its financial contribution. I'd ask you this, Caroline,
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Speaker 8: which government department, which government institution, which government instrumentality that's
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Speaker 8: set up by law and has a charter, could not
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Speaker 8: satisfy that charter, could not adhere to their charter and
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Speaker 8: not expect their funding to be reviewed. It's a ridiculous proposition.
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Speaker 4: It certainly is, and they's not away with it for
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Speaker 4: too long.
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Speaker 2: Joe Gersh, We've run out of time, but I really
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Speaker 2: appreciate you coming on tonight.
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Speaker 4: Thank you for your time.
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Speaker 2: Now back to the sixty one year old gars And
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Speaker 2: woman Maha al Masri, who has been detained and had
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Speaker 2: her visa canceled on national security grounds following an ASIO assessment.
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Speaker 2: It sparked protests outside Minister Tony Burk's office and reignited
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Speaker 2: debate over migration and national security. Here to discuss this
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Speaker 2: and more, Queensland National Senator Matt Cannavan, Senator, welcome. Does
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Speaker 2: this case show, as I've pointed out earlier in the show,
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Speaker 2: the government has been too hasty and accepting people from Gaza.
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Speaker 2: This is now the second attention we've seen since last year.
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Speaker 9: Yeah, look, Carolina, I don't know enough about this case
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Speaker 9: in particular, but we've known for some time there are
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Speaker 9: grave risks from taking their refugees we did from Garza
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Speaker 9: without the proper checks. In fact, the government itself admitted
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Speaker 9: that they weren't able to do the normal character chests
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Speaker 9: on these migrants.
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Speaker 1: They were going to do them here.
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Speaker 9: Whence they got to Australia, and as I say, I
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Speaker 9: don't exactly know the circumstances of this case, but if
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Speaker 9: this is one of those cases where an assessment has
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Speaker 9: been done after they've come here to this country and
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Speaker 9: found to be of a security risk to Australia, the
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Speaker 9: problem now is what do we do. It's not very
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Speaker 9: simple to remove someone from these shores, particularly back to
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Speaker 9: an area like Gaza at the moment, which is a
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Speaker 9: war zone. And these are the very risks that were
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Speaker 9: pointed out by many members of the community, including Liberal
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Speaker 9: National Party, when the government went down this course. So look,
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Speaker 9: I'm all for being humanitarian helping people out in difficult
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Speaker 9: circumstances around the world, but that cannot occur in a
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Speaker 9: way that compromises the national security and safety of Australians.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, and when we heard, you know, Rapports that some
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Speaker 2: were just screened for a little as an hour, it
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Speaker 2: didn't exactly instill confidence in the system. And now we're
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Speaker 2: seeing this sort of thing happen. Look, moving on, and
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Speaker 2: the Pentagon review into Orcas is just beginning and still
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Speaker 2: likely has months to go, but the leader of that process,
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Speaker 2: l Bridge Colby, is already drawing fire from critics within
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Speaker 2: the Washington establishment who claim he's overstepping his authority on
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Speaker 2: key foreign policy issues. How real, Matt, do you think
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Speaker 2: the risks now are to this packed the ucas packed?
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Speaker 2: I mean we saw yesterday they could be demands on
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Speaker 2: Australia to pay more for US subs and make a
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Speaker 2: commitment to use them in any conflict with China.
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Speaker 9: Well, I think the risks have grown, Caroline, Given the
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Speaker 9: slumber like approach to the American relationship we've seen from
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Speaker 9: the Albanezi government, it's not surprising that there are elements
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Speaker 9: within Donald Trump's America First movement that are going to
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Speaker 9: seek potentially to avoid sending submarines to another country and
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Speaker 9: trying to keep them in their own country. This shouldn't
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Speaker 9: be a shock to anybody. There are isolationist type elements
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Speaker 9: within the so called Maga Trump movement, and there'll be
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Speaker 9: I think a vigorous argument within their administration about which
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Speaker 9: way to go. That's a given. We can't do much
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Speaker 9: about that. What we can do is put forward a
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Speaker 9: very strong case to America about why it is within
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Speaker 9: their interest for us to maintain orcus that it's an
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Speaker 9: agreement that does help the mutual security of our two nations.
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Speaker 9: That's something we've firmly believed since the coalition established this.
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Speaker 9: My concern here is that from the actions of the
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Speaker 9: Albanesi you can only really draw the conclusion that he
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Speaker 9: secretly is an Orcust critic, that he secretly wouldn't mind
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Speaker 9: to see Ugus fall over. His heart doesn't seem to
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Speaker 9: be really in it, and that should concern all Australians
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Speaker 9: because what is the alternative strategy to defend this country effectively?
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Speaker 9: The whole defense strategy of the Albanzi government has rested
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Speaker 9: on implementing the Orcus Agreement. If that falls over, there
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Speaker 9: doesn't seem to be a plan B. And so the
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Speaker 9: other aspect of this that should be that not just
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Speaker 9: should the Albanesi government get to Washington to anything, Albanezi
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Speaker 9: himself should get to DC to push the Australia's case.
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Speaker 9: We also should be developing other things apart from just
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Speaker 9: nuclear submarines in case we don't get them.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, so true, Matt.
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Speaker 2: Very quickly we learned today Australia's ambassador to the US,
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Speaker 2: Kevin Ryder, actually had a secret meeting with Donald Trump
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Speaker 2: all the way back in January. The Coalition is demanding
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Speaker 2: more details about this. Should the government be more transparent
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Speaker 2: here and why do you think they have been?
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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's funny.
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Speaker 9: It's sort of leaked out in this way. My understanding
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Speaker 9: is it's come out from some freedom of information type request.
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Speaker 1: You would have thought that.
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Speaker 9: Kevin rat He's not shy Kevin is he? So you
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Speaker 9: would have thought that he'd be trumpeting the fact that
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Speaker 9: he met he gained this exclusive meeting with Donald Trump.
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Speaker 9: I mean, some of the rumors are flying around as
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Speaker 9: the meeting didn't go all that well. It may have
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Speaker 9: put even Donald Trump off his golf game. So maybe
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Speaker 9: that's why Kevin's been a bit shy about this meeting.
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Speaker 9: But look, it's not really about Kevin.
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Speaker 1: For me.
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Speaker 9: As I said earlier, the prime in this has got
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Speaker 9: to go there. He's the only person in the buckstops
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Speaker 9: with him. We know how Donald Trump operates. He's going
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Speaker 9: to deal with people on individual basis, on a leader
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Speaker 9: to leader basis, and Kevin can't solve this. Anthony Ivienneezy
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Speaker 9: needs to go to Washington, DC and meet with Donald
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Speaker 9: Trump as soon as possible for the interests of our country.
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Speaker 4: Look, I think You're right.
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Speaker 2: I think they haven't disclosed it previously because it must
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Speaker 2: not have gone well, because there's been so much criticism
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Speaker 2: of both Kevin Writer and Anthony Albanezi. Why wouldn't they
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Speaker 2: look Thanks for your time, Matt Canneban after the break
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Speaker 2: are we only? Are we any closer to a ceasefire
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Speaker 2: agreement between Israel and Hamas? Plus my interview with former
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Speaker 2: Labor leader turned university vice chancellor Bill Shorten, who's taken
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Speaker 2: a very strong stance on campus anti semitism.
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Speaker 4: What he says may surprise you.
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Speaker 2: Welcome back now to former Labor leader Bill Shorten, who
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Speaker 2: has worn to academics and university students can't hide behind
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Speaker 2: academic freedom as an excuse for anti semitism. Now the
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Speaker 2: country's highest profile university chief, the Vice Chancellor of the
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Speaker 2: University of Canberra, mister Shorten, told The Australian there is
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Speaker 2: no world in which spewing hate against people of Jewish
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Speaker 2: heritage can hide behind academic freedom. His remarks have been
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Speaker 2: some of the strongest I've seen in the universe sector,
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Speaker 2: and I'm pleased to say mister Shorten joined me a
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Speaker 2: little earlier and I began by asking him why he
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Speaker 2: felt it was important to speak up, particularly as so
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Speaker 2: many other Vice chancellors have quibbled on this.
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Speaker 5: Well in defense of the other vice chancellors, I suppose
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Speaker 5: my background after eight in years in Parliament as I know,
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Speaker 5: you've got to get to the point pretty quickly. And
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Speaker 5: why do I think it's important. It's because this anti
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Speaker 5: Semitism is real. It's not a creation of you know,
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Speaker 5: the right wing or Israel lobbyists. Anti Semitism is real.
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Speaker 5: It's a century's old hate and we thought it was
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Speaker 5: all in the history books. But now it's come out
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Speaker 5: of the drains. And I've visited the synagogue in Ripponley
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Speaker 5: which got firebomb. I've been at the Central Shool in
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Speaker 5: Corefield which was harassed by violent extremists, the East Melbourne
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Speaker 5: Synagogue yet again, this is anti Semitizens happening and it's
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Speaker 5: got to be called out and Jewish Australians have got
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Speaker 5: to know that the rest of us are. You know,
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Speaker 5: we're not going to tolerate people being treated badly because
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Speaker 5: they're Jewish.
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Speaker 2: The Government's Special and Void to Combat Anti Semitism released
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Speaker 2: her action plan yesterday, calling for universities to be stripped
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Speaker 2: of funding if they fail to crack down on bigotry.
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Speaker 2: What do you think of this call and will your
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Speaker 2: university be implementing this recommendation and the others relating to
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Speaker 2: your sector.
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Speaker 5: Well, it's deal with the second part first, what is
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Speaker 5: the University of Camera going to do. We're going to
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Speaker 5: work with the other universities. We're going to make sure
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Speaker 5: that students of Jewish heritage and indeed all faiths are
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Speaker 5: safe on our campus. I do not want people coming
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Speaker 5: from outside the campus causing grief and Australians of Jewish
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Speaker 5: heritage have got to feel that when they come to
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Speaker 5: the University of Canberra this is a place where they
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Speaker 5: can study, learn be treated with respect. We haven't had
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Speaker 5: the problems that some of my colleagues have had to
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Speaker 5: deal with in some of the bigger Sydney and Melbourne
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Speaker 5: universities in A and U, but it's important, you see,
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Speaker 5: want students of all faith including kids of Jewish heritage.
23:12
Speaker 2: Look, it's so refreshing to have a strong voice on
23:16
Speaker 2: this issue within the university sector. Finally, I've been critical
23:20
Speaker 2: about the government's failure to act immediately to implement these
23:23
Speaker 2: recommendations out of the report yesterday we've seen almost two
23:27
Speaker 2: years of exploding anti semitism. I mean, you described a
23:31
Speaker 2: lot of examples earlier, including on university campuses. What's your
23:36
Speaker 2: view should the government be acting faster?
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Speaker 5: I think October the seventh caught everyone off guard right
23:43
Speaker 5: around the world. And I genuinely, you know, I've been
23:48
Speaker 5: shocked and surprised by the rise of antisemitism. I literally
23:52
Speaker 5: thought it was something you studied from World War Two.
23:55
Speaker 5: It's alive and real now. I think the government is
23:58
Speaker 5: acting as part of the government. I know that the
24:02
Speaker 5: government is absolutely focused in terms of trying to keep
24:06
Speaker 5: people safe. And I thought the Prime Minister's press conference yesterday,
24:10
Speaker 5: I thought his tone was very, very unequivocal. He was
24:14
Speaker 5: standing up with Jillian Siegel, and I know him. He
24:18
Speaker 5: is horrified because someone's Jewish in Australia, they might be
24:23
Speaker 5: subject to our shocking behavior and that horrifies him.
24:26
Speaker 1: I know the man.
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Speaker 2: Well, that is good to hear, because I know a
24:30
Speaker 2: lot of people in the Jewish community have lost faith
24:33
Speaker 2: in our leadership in many respects.
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Speaker 5: No, it has been a tough time and I will
24:38
Speaker 5: do what I can because Australians of Jewish heritage deserve
24:42
Speaker 5: the same right to be safe as every other ossie.
24:45
Speaker 8: Full stop.
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Speaker 2: Bill Shorten, I've got to thank you for your clarity
24:48
Speaker 2: on this and for your time today.
24:51
Speaker 4: No worries.
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Speaker 1: Now.
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Speaker 2: Compare that clarity to former Liberal Julie Bishop, who has
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Speaker 2: disappointingly remained silent as chancellor of the Australian National University,
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Speaker 2: where there's been some of the worst conduct on campus.
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Speaker 4: Shocking.
25:08
Speaker 2: Now, let's take a look at what's happening overseas and
25:11
Speaker 2: the news. Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin yet Ya, who has
25:15
Speaker 2: for the first time expressed willingness to negotiate a permanent
25:19
Speaker 2: ceasefire in Gaza during a proposed sixty day truce. The
25:24
Speaker 2: catch only if Hamas fully disarms and surrenders control. Let's
25:29
Speaker 2: bring in Greg Barton, Deacon University's Global Islamic Politics chair
25:33
Speaker 2: professor Welcome. How can Israel be expected, though, to agree
25:38
Speaker 2: to a permanent ceasefire when Hamas refuses to disarm or
25:42
Speaker 2: release all the hostages unconditionally.
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Speaker 1: Than good to Donia, Carol, And that is the big question.
25:48
Speaker 10: Dealing with a marketers obviously incredibly difficult, but that doesn't
25:52
Speaker 10: mean it's not possible at this stage.
25:55
Speaker 1: The idea controlled sixty five percent of.
25:57
Speaker 10: The guards strip according to own records, at about eighty
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Speaker 10: five percent of the buildings and regards the ship are destroying.
26:03
Speaker 10: A muss is in a very very weak position. So
26:05
Speaker 10: this is the time when something as possible, but it
26:07
Speaker 10: will require pressure, will require pressure on a musk.
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Speaker 1: I think Donald trumples, I think he needs to.
26:12
Speaker 10: Applay pressure in applight negotiations with five minutes who met
26:18
Speaker 10: who arguably is also very difficult to negotiate with, and
26:22
Speaker 10: the heavy own reasons for not going.
26:25
Speaker 1: Earlier, which for a deal will get more is released.
26:28
Speaker 10: This is a really hard situation, but we are perhaps
26:33
Speaker 10: at a point now where come to the end of
26:34
Speaker 10: the road. There's not much more that a musk can do.
26:37
Speaker 10: Israel clearly has the upper hand. Let's hope for everyone's
26:40
Speaker 10: safely and see it breakthrough.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, that would be great.
26:43
Speaker 2: Look, there's also been this extraordinary footage from the Red
26:46
Speaker 2: Sea this week showing the Hooties targeting and sinking two ships.
26:51
Speaker 2: This slick video was produced and released by the terrorists themselves.
26:55
Speaker 2: The attack was the first successful Hooti strike on commercial
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Speaker 2: shipping in some eight months. Greg, are you expecting more
27:03
Speaker 2: strikes looks sad.
27:05
Speaker 1: The say cal I am expecting more strikes for two reasons.
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Speaker 10: One is the Hooties had held off for various strategic
27:11
Speaker 10: reasons on attacks, have gone back to the now and
27:14
Speaker 10: we can see what they can do. And of course
27:16
Speaker 10: they are in many respects epoxy of Iran. They have
27:19
Speaker 10: their own autonomy. But the situation in Iran I think.
27:22
Speaker 1: Dictates pressure on the hooties. They have weaponry that's very effective.
27:28
Speaker 10: Americans have much better weaponry, but it literally cost them
27:32
Speaker 10: a thousand times more than a cost the Hooties, and
27:34
Speaker 10: so the American campaign against the hooties is not sustainable.
27:37
Speaker 10: In mid March they launched a campaign. They've burnt through
27:40
Speaker 10: a billion dollars in weapons in three weeks. They can't
27:43
Speaker 10: keep on doing that.
27:44
Speaker 1: The Hooties can keep on doing what they're doing. And
27:47
Speaker 1: there's the problem. That's why we should expect more attacks.
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Speaker 4: Okay, well, let's go to Russia now.
27:52
Speaker 2: And Moscow has launched its largest missile and dronasols on Kiev.
27:56
Speaker 4: In months.
27:57
Speaker 2: Ukraine has pleaded for tougher Western sanctions. Greg, just quickly, now,
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Speaker 2: what do you think needs to happen here?
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Speaker 10: In a word, Patriot missiles. Ukraine has six Patriot batteries.
28:09
Speaker 10: It needs them resupplied with interceptors. That's the reason we're
28:12
Speaker 10: seeing more Russian strikes in KIV, because they're missiles, particularly
28:16
Speaker 10: the listing missiles, which the Patriots can almost uniquely shut down.
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Speaker 1: Those missiles are getting through, thankfully.
28:22
Speaker 10: President Trump's called on Germany to hand over one of
28:24
Speaker 10: their maintaining nine Patriot batteries to Ukraine, giving them an
28:30
Speaker 10: extra one. That's promising, but that's really critical that along
28:33
Speaker 10: with American over the horizon intelligence feeds.
28:36
Speaker 1: Back to Ukraine. The rest of it.
28:38
Speaker 10: The Coalition of the Willing is in a position that
28:40
Speaker 10: include Australia, Japan, Canada is in a position to really
28:43
Speaker 10: help that those patriots and that intelligence are critical.
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Speaker 2: Greg Barton, thank you very much for your time and
28:49
Speaker 2: insights tonight. Now after the break, another review into the
28:53
Speaker 2: cf MEU reveals a culture of violence and intimidation. But
28:57
Speaker 2: is anyone still surprised? Plus, you won't believe how much
29:02
Speaker 2: Queensland taxpayers are forking out to pull police from the
29:06
Speaker 2: front line to babysit criminals.
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Speaker 4: Welcome back.
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Speaker 2: Let's go now to the latest commitment from Victoria's opposition.
29:16
Speaker 2: The Libs are promising that serial protest pests who defy
29:21
Speaker 2: orders to move on from unauthorized rallies will risk getting
29:25
Speaker 2: thrown in the slammer. A protest registration system under the
29:29
Speaker 2: control of Victoria Police could be rolled out and police
29:33
Speaker 2: powers beeped up if the coalition is elected next year.
29:37
Speaker 2: Now it follows, of course spaede of violent attacks targeting
29:41
Speaker 2: Jews and an Israeli a restaurant in Melbourne over the weekend.
29:47
Speaker 2: Victorian Shadow Police Minister David Southwick joins me now to
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Speaker 2: break it down. David, how would this registration system work
29:56
Speaker 2: and why do you think it would be effective at
29:58
Speaker 2: cracking down on extremes protesters.
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Speaker 11: Well, great to be with you, Caroline. Firstly, our city
30:06
Speaker 11: in our state has been hijacked by these extremist protesters
30:10
Speaker 11: and this is about taking back our streets and ensuring
30:13
Speaker 11: the peaceful kept safe. And so what we're suggesting is
30:17
Speaker 11: we're the only state in Australia that doesn't have a
30:20
Speaker 11: permit registration type system. So what that means is those
30:26
Speaker 11: who want to have a protest would register their protest
30:29
Speaker 11: and police would then be able to plan for it
30:32
Speaker 11: and at the moment that's not happening. Again, in most
30:36
Speaker 11: cases that wouldn't be a problem. If streets needed to
30:38
Speaker 11: be closed, if police needed would be needed, that would
30:42
Speaker 11: all happen.
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Speaker 9: But when you have those that.
30:45
Speaker 11: Don't register and also cause trouble, that's when the full
30:49
Speaker 11: force of the law would kick in. We've seen that
30:51
Speaker 11: time and time again, where people intimidate hate, violence, glue
30:57
Speaker 11: themselves to tram tracks and to row.
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Speaker 4: Well, that's not on.
31:01
Speaker 11: There needs to be consequences, and that's where in the
31:04
Speaker 11: first instance, these extremists would be issued orders to move on,
31:09
Speaker 11: potentially not to come back. But if they keep coming
31:12
Speaker 11: back and causing trouble, ultimately they've got to face consequences
31:16
Speaker 11: and be locked up.
31:17
Speaker 2: We know the protests have been particularly extreme in Victoria
31:22
Speaker 2: and have become notoriously unruly really since the pandemic. Of course,
31:27
Speaker 2: we saw these events of last weekend with a synagogue
31:29
Speaker 2: in the restaurant, chance.
31:31
Speaker 4: For death, death to the IDF. How has it got
31:34
Speaker 4: so bad over there.
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Speaker 11: Well, we know Victoria has always been the protest capital,
31:41
Speaker 11: and we want to protect the right to protest, but
31:43
Speaker 11: we also become the anti anti Semitic capital as well,
31:47
Speaker 11: which is just horrible. In Caroline and in since October seven,
31:53
Speaker 11: we have seen over nine hundred and fifty protests against Israel.
31:59
Speaker 11: In Victoria, we've seen eighteen thousand police full shifts just
32:03
Speaker 11: to babysit these protests, which is costing the tax payers
32:06
Speaker 11: so much money and diverting police resources away from keeping
32:11
Speaker 11: people safe. More broadly, something has to give. And these
32:15
Speaker 11: people are targeting the Jewish community, they are inciting hate,
32:19
Speaker 11: they're shutting down businesses, they're targeting synagogues, and the government's
32:23
Speaker 11: doing absolutely nothing. The government announced to gain another review,
32:27
Speaker 11: another task force, another talk talk fest. Well, we know
32:30
Speaker 11: what's needed. We need more powers, we need more consequences,
32:34
Speaker 11: and we can't have these people hijack our state and
32:37
Speaker 11: hijack our city. And that's why these powers are just
32:40
Speaker 11: so important. Police are throwing their hands in the air
32:43
Speaker 11: and they've had enough. Victorians have had enough, The Jewish
32:46
Speaker 11: community has had enough, and time that somebody listen and
32:50
Speaker 11: actually acted to ensure all Victorians are kept safe.
32:53
Speaker 2: Yeah, the time for more talk has truly passed. Now
32:57
Speaker 2: let's move on to the childcare issue. The government says
33:00
Speaker 2: it's acting, It's ordered a review of the industry following,
33:04
Speaker 2: of course, the arrest of a Melbourne childcare worker accused
33:09
Speaker 2: of horrific child sex abuse. But what are the mechanisms
33:13
Speaker 2: the government could enact immediately.
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Speaker 11: David, Well, this is shocking, Caroline, and I know that
33:19
Speaker 11: you've spoken to our shadow Education spokesperson Jess Wilson about this.
33:24
Speaker 11: The Parliament needs to be recalled. The Premier has announced
33:28
Speaker 11: talk fests and task forces and set off on a
33:31
Speaker 11: two week holiday at a time where we've got child
33:35
Speaker 11: caring crisis, anti Semitism in crisis, and the state in
33:39
Speaker 11: complete disrepair. Things could happen right now. We could have
33:44
Speaker 11: a complete change in the way we register those people
33:47
Speaker 11: at working in childcare centers. We know the odmentsmen reported
33:51
Speaker 11: about issues with working with children checks back in twenty
33:54
Speaker 11: twenty two.
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Speaker 9: That should be.
33:56
Speaker 11: Changed immediately, and ultimately there needs to be things like
34:01
Speaker 11: CCTV and other things that could be done.
34:04
Speaker 1: Now.
34:05
Speaker 11: What are we waiting for another review when the government
34:08
Speaker 11: should be acting swiftly, with certainty and showing leadership. It's
34:12
Speaker 11: an absolute failure and my heart goes out to all
34:16
Speaker 11: of those families that have been affected by this absolute
34:20
Speaker 11: failure of leadership and ultimately uncertain future for many of
34:24
Speaker 11: our kids' families that experiencing the absolute trauma of the
34:30
Speaker 11: childcare system in crisis in Victoria.
34:32
Speaker 2: Yeah, the fact so many children, you're very young children
34:35
Speaker 2: and babies now having to have STI tests is just shocking.
34:38
Speaker 4: But I'm sending a theme here. More talk, more reviews.
34:41
Speaker 2: Look, let's quickly talk about an electricity retailer owned by
34:45
Speaker 2: the federal government. It's raised its Victorian prices by about
34:50
Speaker 2: four percent, adding more than fifty dollars to annual bills
34:53
Speaker 2: for nearly a quarter of a million households. This is
34:56
Speaker 2: a bread and butter issue, but nothing seems to be
34:59
Speaker 2: getting done about it. What would a baton lads coalition
35:04
Speaker 2: government do to bring down the bills of Victorian Stavid?
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Speaker 11: So many issues in Victoria, Caroline. One again is the
35:12
Speaker 11: cost of living crisis and an energy crisis. And the
35:16
Speaker 11: first thing is we need choice, we need certainty, and
35:18
Speaker 11: gas is one of those fuels that burns when you
35:22
Speaker 11: need it and is available when you need it. In
35:25
Speaker 11: terms of that energy and in terms of being able
35:29
Speaker 11: to transition into renewables and other things, that's got to
35:32
Speaker 11: be planned. We know the government has a transmission and
35:37
Speaker 11: a transition failure. So they're bringing in the renewables without
35:41
Speaker 11: having the lines to connect them. We know that in
35:44
Speaker 11: Victoria it's potentially another twenty billion dollar blowout just to
35:50
Speaker 11: connect up another of the renewables that have been brought
35:53
Speaker 11: into the state. I mean, this is a failure and
35:55
Speaker 11: ultimately who's going to be paying for that. That's taxpayers.
35:58
Speaker 11: There's got to be Certainty's got to ensure that we
36:01
Speaker 11: can have energy twenty four to seven and ultimately we
36:04
Speaker 11: can't force people into energy. It's got to be certain
36:09
Speaker 11: and guess is the best fuels to be able to
36:10
Speaker 11: do that.
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Speaker 2: David Southwok, thank you so much for your time tonight.
36:13
Speaker 2: Let's move on now to the inquiry that has exposed
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Speaker 2: Queensland's CFMMEU for running a violent and misogynistic regime under
36:22
Speaker 2: its former leaders.
36:23
Speaker 4: Michael Ravbar and Jade Ingham.
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Speaker 2: The report revealed threats, abuse and harassment targeting women, children
36:30
Speaker 2: and opponents. Queensland Deputy Premier and Industrial Relations Minister Jared
36:35
Speaker 2: Blige came out swinging yesterday blaming labor for letting it happen.
36:39
Speaker 2: Today he's flagged further tough action and here to talk
36:43
Speaker 2: us through it. Former Queensland Premier Campbell Newman. Campbell welcome.
36:48
Speaker 2: This isn't, of course the first time we've heard about
36:50
Speaker 2: this kind of behavior.
36:52
Speaker 4: It's how the CFMMEU has operated now for years. What
36:55
Speaker 4: do you think finally needs to happen.
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Speaker 12: Well, I think there needs to be a commission of
37:01
Speaker 12: inquiry into this whole thing. And what we've seen from
37:06
Speaker 12: this report done by an eminent senior council is just
37:10
Speaker 12: the tip of the iceberg. I can say that when
37:13
Speaker 12: I was Premier, these are the sorts of things that
37:15
Speaker 12: I was just starting to deal with prior to losing
37:19
Speaker 12: the election in twenty fifteen, and indeed in the twenty
37:21
Speaker 12: fifteen election I had a few things to say about
37:24
Speaker 12: this at the time, about the connections between the ALP,
37:28
Speaker 12: the CFMEU and criminal motorcycle gangs, and sadly at the
37:32
Speaker 12: time I was laughed out of court. But what we're
37:36
Speaker 12: seeing now with these revelations is exactly what's been going
37:39
Speaker 12: on for over ten years and it does need to
37:41
Speaker 12: be dealt with.
37:42
Speaker 4: Caroline, some vindication for you.
37:44
Speaker 2: Queensland Police has spent fifty six million dollars on overtime
37:49
Speaker 2: pulling officers off the front line to manage an escalating
37:52
Speaker 2: crisis in the state's overcrowded, dangerous watchhouses with staff assaults,
37:57
Speaker 2: soaring compensation claims and facilities Campbell. Why has the government
38:03
Speaker 2: allowed this crisis to get to this point, turning frontline
38:07
Speaker 2: police into effectively babysitters for criminals instead of actually protecting
38:13
Speaker 2: and putting resources into protecting Queensland communities.
38:18
Speaker 12: Well, look, well I think we need half an hour
38:21
Speaker 12: to talk about this one. In essence, you've had ten
38:24
Speaker 12: years of a Labor government who were soft on crime.
38:26
Speaker 12: You've got a new regime that actually is supporting the
38:30
Speaker 12: police service and the criminal justice system who want to
38:33
Speaker 12: make Queensland safe. They've got the police out there trying
38:37
Speaker 12: to catch the crims, particularly the young ones. And I'd
38:40
Speaker 12: say these watch houses are filling up and that's why
38:42
Speaker 12: this is particularly an overcrowding issue. Plus, I think the
38:45
Speaker 12: former Labor government didn't plan for the growth of the
38:48
Speaker 12: state with more people. You know, numerically you get more
38:52
Speaker 12: people who have committed some sort of offense and need to.
38:55
Speaker 4: Be dealt with.
38:56
Speaker 12: But I will say this, you know there is another
38:58
Speaker 12: there's a flip side of this. Yes, it needs to
39:01
Speaker 12: be dealt with But in terms of the overall police
39:04
Speaker 12: resourcing issue in this state, if the government, the Christo
39:08
Speaker 12: Phully government are really serious about cracking down crime, might
39:11
Speaker 12: want to ease off on the sort of less serious
39:15
Speaker 12: crime in the committee, like people speeding, you know, and
39:20
Speaker 12: doing a sort of fifty five and a forty zone
39:23
Speaker 12: and things like that, the manning police speed cameras and
39:27
Speaker 12: the like. As you put the resources into frontline policing
39:31
Speaker 12: and violent crime, then there'd be more effort to actually
39:35
Speaker 12: curb the crime issue that we do have. So look,
39:39
Speaker 12: they've got to invest in these watchhouses that are run down,
39:43
Speaker 12: and we don't ultimately want police to be dealing with
39:46
Speaker 12: people in these situations. We want them out on the streets,
39:49
Speaker 12: don't we.
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Speaker 4: Camel Newman, thank you so much for your time and
39:52
Speaker 4: common sense.
39:56
Speaker 2: Now after the break, we will talk about Anthony Albanesi,
40:00
Speaker 2: who says there's nothing to see here when it comes
40:03
Speaker 2: to fractures with the US Australian Alliance plus Trump's pick
40:08
Speaker 2: is the US Ambassador to Malaysia. Is an Aussie who
40:11
Speaker 2: calls himself an alpha male and who lost his Sydney
40:15
Speaker 2: Council seat after being filmed abusing a reporter.
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Speaker 4: We'll discuss that next. Let's bring in our Friday night panel.
40:25
Speaker 2: Now Women's Forum Australia Stephanie Bastian and Skynese contributor Joe Hildebrand.
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Speaker 4: Welcome to you buy good evening very well.
40:34
Speaker 2: Now, First to Prime Minister Anthony Albanese's insistence that Australia
40:39
Speaker 2: is not subservient to the United States. He's defended the
40:43
Speaker 2: alliance amid growing concerns over the Orcis.
40:46
Speaker 4: Pact and tariffs.
40:47
Speaker 2: The remarks were made during a private Q and A
40:50
Speaker 2: session after a speech at the John Courten Research Center
40:53
Speaker 2: last weekend, but only emerged late yesterday. Stephanie, it probably
40:58
Speaker 2: wouldn't hurt for Australia to be a little less more
41:02
Speaker 2: subservient rather to our closest ally at the moment, given
41:05
Speaker 2: Albow can't even get a meeting with Trump.
41:08
Speaker 13: Oh absolutely, And I mean he talked a big game
41:11
Speaker 13: during the election about his relationship with Donald Trump and
41:14
Speaker 13: the US and now he can't even get a meeting
41:17
Speaker 13: with him. It's all very strange, and I think given
41:19
Speaker 13: the state of our military and the fact that they're
41:22
Speaker 13: now offering cash incentives to personnel to try and recruit
41:25
Speaker 13: more members. Says to me that they're not getting the
41:28
Speaker 13: numbers that they need, So at this point in time,
41:31
Speaker 13: I would definitely be showing a lot more respect to
41:33
Speaker 13: our foreign allies.
41:35
Speaker 2: Look more curious comments though from the PM, and he
41:38
Speaker 2: heads off to China tomorrow and of course follows a
41:40
Speaker 2: week of stories which in which our relationship with the
41:44
Speaker 2: US have been called into doubt.
41:45
Speaker 4: What did you make of his comments about subservience.
41:48
Speaker 14: Yeah, well, I was there, Like it wasn't It wasn't
41:50
Speaker 14: like a private kind of It wasn't like hush hush
41:54
Speaker 14: or anything. It was in Sydney. John John Curtain Research
41:57
Speaker 14: is based in Melbourne, but they had a big event
41:58
Speaker 14: in Sydney, had the PM there. This was after his speech.
42:01
Speaker 14: I think there was actually media there, but they didn't
42:05
Speaker 14: didn't think you're it.
42:06
Speaker 1: I was there.
42:07
Speaker 14: I could have reported it, but I was there as
42:09
Speaker 14: a guest of the John Curtain Center. But again, I
42:12
Speaker 14: think there's a pretty banal comments. I think a lot
42:15
Speaker 14: of people are trying to look for sort of fracture
42:17
Speaker 14: lines in the relationship. Obviously with someone like Donald Trump,
42:20
Speaker 14: who can be very mercurial or just sort of hard
42:22
Speaker 14: to pin down, and the US President has a lot
42:24
Speaker 14: to do. It is hard to get a meeting with him.
42:27
Speaker 4: We were at Kevin Run apparently.
42:29
Speaker 14: No, but that was six months ago. That was six
42:32
Speaker 14: months ago. But again we were going to have a
42:34
Speaker 14: meeting with him at the G seven. It was all
42:36
Speaker 14: good to go, and he had to go off and
42:37
Speaker 14: deal with a run and people were saying, what are
42:39
Speaker 14: you doing going to the G seven in the first place,
42:41
Speaker 14: And as it turns out, he goes and leaves early.
42:43
Speaker 14: So I'm not convinced that this this kind of this
42:48
Speaker 14: frosty relationship actually even exists. I think it's probably just
42:51
Speaker 14: a matter of coordination and timings, and once the meeting happens,
42:55
Speaker 14: then you'll see an announcement on both sides that pleases
42:57
Speaker 14: both sides.
42:58
Speaker 2: Well, I hope you're right, but he disagree with you,
43:01
Speaker 2: And I don't think these sorts of comments help. Look
43:04
Speaker 2: also needs today that Sydney Bourne conservative commentator Nick Adams,
43:08
Speaker 2: known for his outspoken views and self styled alpha male persona,
43:13
Speaker 2: has been nominated by Donald Trump to be US Ambassador
43:17
Speaker 2: to Malaysia.
43:18
Speaker 4: Now. Adams lost his Sydney Council seat after being.
43:21
Speaker 2: Filmed verbally abusing a TV reporter it was back when
43:25
Speaker 2: he was only twenty four years old. O, so quite
43:29
Speaker 2: some time ago.
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Speaker 4: Stephanie. What did he make of this pick?
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Speaker 13: Yeah, certainly a strange one, given the amount of online
43:36
Speaker 13: trolling that he does do to to take a diplomatic
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Speaker 13: posting like this.
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Speaker 4: I think what I.
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Speaker 13: Actually find a little bit irritating in the Magna movement
43:45
Speaker 13: is the fact that these so called folk conservatives keep
43:48
Speaker 13: getting promoted. This is a guy that supports Andrew Tade.
43:52
Speaker 13: He promotes himself as this Christian guy pro faith and family,
43:56
Speaker 13: and he's not walking the talk, and suddenly now he's
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Speaker 13: taking this big posting.
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Speaker 4: And still promoting himself in this way.
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Speaker 13: So it's unusual, a little bit odd beyond that, Yeah,
44:09
Speaker 13: that's about it.
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Speaker 2: I mean, Malaysia is pretty I mean it's a socially conservatives.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, how do you think he would go there?
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Speaker 14: Look, it's just anyone's guess. I had a bit to
44:20
Speaker 14: do with Nick Adams back in the glory days when
44:22
Speaker 14: he was sort of now he was always it's fair
44:25
Speaker 14: to say it's a very colorful character. He was always
44:27
Speaker 14: sort of outsized for a like Ashfield counselor, Like he
44:32
Speaker 14: always always thought he was the sort of ambassador to
44:34
Speaker 14: the US. He used to say that the US was
44:37
Speaker 14: the greatest country on Earth, and he was just he's
44:40
Speaker 14: like so so maga, so super hyper patriotic, but to
44:44
Speaker 14: the US. But he's actually an Australian and.
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Speaker 9: He does that's right.
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Speaker 14: And now it looks like he's living his dreams. So
44:52
Speaker 14: I just cannot wait to see what happens.
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Speaker 4: And look it we'll be entertaining so drunk. It is
44:57
Speaker 4: very drump.
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Speaker 2: Now, Liberal deputy leaders Who's and we has dismissed internal
45:01
Speaker 2: criticism over gender quotas as unimportant. She's urged women instead
45:06
Speaker 2: to focus on shared values and opportunity.
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Speaker 4: In her pitch to female voters.
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Speaker 2: Look, staff, the opposition continues to tie itself in knots
45:17
Speaker 2: over this issue.
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Speaker 4: And we spoke last week. I know you're not a fan.
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Speaker 2: You explained very well why you're not a fan of
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Speaker 2: gender quoteras. Is she right to say that we shouldn't
45:26
Speaker 2: waste our time discussing this division.
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Speaker 13: Look, I certainly think it's an unnecessary distraction, particularly to
45:33
Speaker 13: her leadership. It has had far too much airtime, so
45:37
Speaker 13: to speak.
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Speaker 4: In the fact that they're still talking about it.
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Speaker 13: The Liberal Party need to go back to its call
45:41
Speaker 13: founding values. They need to start discussing policy and find
45:45
Speaker 13: out go back to the founding values. The whole idea
45:49
Speaker 13: that they're going to suddenly buy ento identity politics as
45:52
Speaker 13: a vote winner is ridiculous. But I think the longer
45:55
Speaker 13: this is talked about with her, with her leadership, the
45:58
Speaker 13: more damage it will do. It's just it's very hard
46:01
Speaker 13: to take her seriously when the topic is about gender
46:04
Speaker 13: rather than policy.
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Speaker 2: I mean, do you agree we saw, as I pointed
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Speaker 2: out before, she actually demoted some good that's right.
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Speaker 4: I think there are fewer women in the shadow now.
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Speaker 4: I think actions over words.
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Speaker 14: Yeah, I think they've got a female leader, so there
46:21
Speaker 14: is that, and that counts for a lot. But my
46:24
Speaker 14: theory has always been that if you need gender quotas,
46:27
Speaker 14: then it's too late for gender quotas to help you.
46:30
Speaker 14: So if you're if you if your policy offering and
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Speaker 14: your party culture is so toxic to women or so
46:37
Speaker 14: unattractive to women that you need to enforce gender quotas
46:41
Speaker 14: to get women pre selected into winnable seats, then that's
46:44
Speaker 14: actually not going to solve the original problem. So I
46:47
Speaker 14: think you know, if you build it, they will come.
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Speaker 14: If the Liberal Party is seen as a party that
46:52
Speaker 14: supports women, as interested in women's issues and supports what
46:56
Speaker 14: women want to be able to do both, you know,
46:58
Speaker 14: in the workforce or home or social policy, environment policy,
47:02
Speaker 14: energy policy, economic policy, whatever it may be, then the
47:05
Speaker 14: women will come to your party. You don't you shouldn't
47:08
Speaker 14: have to impose the quotas.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, look, I agree with you, and it feels like
47:13
Speaker 2: quite anti liberal the concept of having to do so.
47:16
Speaker 2: Now let's move on finally to this age verification, which
47:21
Speaker 2: Australia will now mandate for users logged into search engines
47:25
Speaker 2: like Google by the end of the year, aiming to
47:28
Speaker 2: protect miners from harmful content step. I know free speech
47:32
Speaker 2: absolutists remained against this, but I have to say, as
47:36
Speaker 2: a mum who's worried about what's online pornographic content and
47:41
Speaker 2: other sort of harmful content for children that's easily accessible,
47:44
Speaker 2: I don't think this is such a bad idea.
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Speaker 13: Well, I can understand there is certainly a healthy mistrust,
47:51
Speaker 13: particularly after the misinformation Bill that they tried to put through.
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Speaker 1: In their last government.
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Speaker 13: I agree with you, and something that hasn't really been addressed,
47:58
Speaker 13: particularly in relation to the childcare. Rices is the issue
48:01
Speaker 13: of pornography in our society, and the way that pornography
48:04
Speaker 13: works is that it is highly addictive, and we have
48:07
Speaker 13: a problem where more and more extreme pornography is being
48:10
Speaker 13: normalized and experts like Michael Sheath are drawing correlations between
48:15
Speaker 13: extreme pornography to then child abuse material than child abuse itself.
48:20
Speaker 13: Pornography is being put in the hands of children as
48:23
Speaker 13: young as four.
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Speaker 4: They're copying what they're seeing. It's almost like this unprecedented.
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Speaker 13: Access to pornography is grooming predators from a very young age.
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Speaker 4: So I agree with you in the fact that we
48:33
Speaker 4: do need action. I think this is one step, but
48:36
Speaker 4: also the government has for up to staff just to
48:39
Speaker 4: get Joe's vi very.
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Speaker 14: That's the work I will make it harder. I don't
48:44
Speaker 14: think anything will ever stop access to kids who want
48:47
Speaker 14: to work around it, but it just makes it easier
48:49
Speaker 14: for parents to enforce.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, I think so, I agree, Staph. Thank you so much.
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Speaker 4: That's it from me up now. The world's according to
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Speaker 4: row Andine