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NXIVM: Episode 7: The Oxenbergs, Failed States, Hollywood, and Human Trafficking Part 1 · The Dustlight Archives

• 0:38
  SPEAKER_00: Let us move now from the dirtiness of the ground floor where Mark Vicente resides and ascend higher than perhaps we ever have been before, into a world of royalty and opulence, a world of bloodlines that runs centuries, where losing status requires the destruction of an entire country.
• 0:57
  SPEAKER_00: Of course, when you are related to the Windsors, even then you will suffer little consequence, and it's only a matter of time until you are raised back up.
• 1:07
  SPEAKER_00: Up here in the clouds, it's a brilliant, beautiful place.
• 1:10
  SPEAKER_00: But make sure not to open the wrong closet, or the bodies of the subjugated, the raped, and the murdered might start tumbling out.
• 1:19
  SPEAKER_00: Welcome to the Dust Line Archives.
• 1:25
  SPEAKER_00: Alright, so most Nexium stories, they tend to when they get to the Oxenbergs, they focus on Catherine and India Oxenberg.
• 1:36
  SPEAKER_00: And I think it makes a really pat story because it turns it into this very flattened story of a mother trying to get her daughter out of a cult.
• 1:50
  SPEAKER_00: I think that that's demonstrably wrong for many reasons, or at least not the whole picture.
• 1:57
  SPEAKER_00: Um and so I want to take it a step back, and I want to start with their grandmother, Princess Elizabeth of Yugoslavia, Elizabeth Kara Georgievich.
• 2:09
  SPEAKER_00: And I think by the end of the episode you'll understand where I'm starting to drive at here.
• 2:15
  SPEAKER_00: So let's just get started.
• 2:17
  SPEAKER_00: So to truly understand how a princess's granddaughter ends up being instrumental in running a human trafficking cult in Albany, and make no mistake about it, she is an administrator in this cult.
• 2:30
  SPEAKER_00: We need to start at the beginning.
• 2:32
  SPEAKER_00: Specifically, we're going to start with the first political assassination that was ever recorded on video.
• 2:37
  SPEAKER_00: That'd be the assassination in 1934 of King Alexander I.
• 2:43
  SPEAKER_00: He is on a trip to Marseille, and the press all swarm him when he lands ashore.
• 2:48
  SPEAKER_00: He gets into a car alongside Louis Bartu, and as the cameras are rolling, the driver begins to start moving.
• 2:55
  SPEAKER_00: When a few seconds later, a gunman jumps out, later identified as Vlado Chernozymsky, a member of the International Macedonian Revolutionary Organization, and shoots him multiple times.
• 3:10
  SPEAKER_00: Alexander slumps over in his seat and closes his eyes.
• 3:14
  SPEAKER_00: This is all captured on camera.
• 3:15
  SPEAKER_00: The crowd freaks out and runs.
• 3:17
  SPEAKER_00: Cameraman yells.
• 3:19
  SPEAKER_00: You live in 2026.
• 3:20
  SPEAKER_00: You've seen an assassination on television before.
• 3:23
  SPEAKER_00: You get it.
• 3:24
  SPEAKER_00: Now, there's a whole lot of intrigue and strangeness around this killing, but we don't have time for that today.
• 3:30
  SPEAKER_00: If you want just a taste of the strangeness of this specific moment, Louis Bartow, who was the man in the other seat, is also killed.
• 3:39
  SPEAKER_00: And for decades it would be reported that the gunman killed them both.
• 3:44
  SPEAKER_00: However, in 1974, the French government would unseal ballistic reports showing it was one of their own police officers that shot him.
• 3:53
  SPEAKER_00: Strange stuff.
• 3:55
  SPEAKER_00: I would say that if you're looking for a still growing deep dive into this time period and the events surrounding it, the Demon Forces series by Dimitri of Subliminal Jihad is incredible.
• 4:05
  SPEAKER_00: Anyways, he dies, which means his son is supposed to take over, who is Peter II, and he is only 11 years old.
• 4:13
  SPEAKER_00: So that means that he needs a regent.
• 4:16
  SPEAKER_00: And that ends up being Alexander's cousin, Paul Kara Georgevich.
• 4:21
  SPEAKER_00: And he was actually, he was chosen because a locked safe was opened after Alexander's death, and they found Paul's name as his chosen temporary successor until Peter would come of age.
• 4:33
  SPEAKER_00: Now, Paul, who is Elizabeth's father, has spent a lot of time living in England, and he was an English socialite who had a lot of close friends in the aristocracy.
• 4:42
  SPEAKER_00: He actually never wanted the job, and at least in the short term, he would have been better off not taking it.
• 4:48
  SPEAKER_00: Because by 1941, the Nazis have Yugoslavia pretty well surrounded, and Winston Churchill is pushing for them to join the Allies and fight.
• 4:58
  SPEAKER_00: Now, this would be a suicidal move for Yugoslavia, but it would help the British.
• 5:04
  SPEAKER_00: Basically, you know, the uh suicidally fighting Germany in order to stake them off for a little bit.
• 5:14
  SPEAKER_00: Uh, Paul, understandably, acting in the long-standing tradition of basic self-preservation, signs a pretty inoffensive treaty with the Nazis that's named the Tripartite Pact.
• 5:26
  SPEAKER_00: And now it has built into it that the Germans may not enter Yugoslavian territory, and the Yugoslavs cannot be compelled to contribute in any way to the German war effort.
• 5:37
  SPEAKER_00: So it's it's a stalling maneuver.
• 5:39
  SPEAKER_00: And it's from a guy who's a bone-deep Anglophile, but he has no other choice.
• 5:44
  SPEAKER_00: Doesn't matter to Winston Churchill, though.
• 5:46
  SPEAKER_00: Churchill is furious, and within a few days the British help orchestrate a military coup in Yugoslavia.
• 5:53
  SPEAKER_00: If and now, if you truly believe the fascists are the enemies of the Allies and not a friend of theirs, acting like a real asshole in a way that's making everybody uncomfortable, this is a disastrous move for the Allies.
• 6:06
  SPEAKER_00: Within mere days, the coup falls apart, and now Hitler, pissed off over the whole affair, enacts Operation Punishment, which is a merciless bombardment of Belgrade.
• 6:18
  SPEAKER_00: Italy invades Yugoslavia, they partition it, and the royal family is forced to flee.
• 6:24
  SPEAKER_00: Before long, the Axis partitions the country, the fascist Ustasi are installed to run a bloody puppet state, and the region becomes an absolute slaughterhouse.
• 6:35
  SPEAKER_00: And Paul and Peter both end up getting really fucked in this whole situation because they have upset both the Axis and the Allies in World War II.
• 6:48
  SPEAKER_00: Although I would say unfairly, particularly on the allies' part.
• 6:52
  SPEAKER_00: Hall is placed into exile with his young daughter Elizabeth and has moved through various countries like Greece or Kenya, and actually spends several years in Kenya.
• 7:03
  SPEAKER_00: And just as a very brief aside, so this is where Elizabeth grows up as a small child.
• 7:13
  SPEAKER_00: And they are under 24-7 military watch.
• 7:17
  SPEAKER_00: They're basically like imprisoned in this old compound in Kenya.
• 7:25
  SPEAKER_00: But what's interesting about this compound is it had just recently, prior to them moving in, been home to a group called the Happy Valley set in the area.
• 7:38
  SPEAKER_00: And these are the like psychopathic fail kids of European aristocracy that were basically put in this faraway place in order to keep them out of the public eye.
• 7:57
  SPEAKER_00: And they wouldn't have had necessarily any direct interaction with the Happy Valley set because, like I said, they were really stuck in this compound.
• 8:07
  SPEAKER_00: But certainly it would have been in the air, and you know, they would have been sharing servants or, you know, maybe heard things from people.
• 8:19
  SPEAKER_00: And it's just it's a really interesting place to grow up because this place was, I mean, they got into like black magic and uh torture, hard drugs.
• 8:31
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, if you really think about like where the aristocracy is at morally on a basic level, and then you go, okay, these are the people that aren't allowed in polite society, and then you put them in a place where they have little to no restrictions and a population of people that they can abuse basically with no consequences at all.
• 8:56
  SPEAKER_00: I think you could kind of imagine the sort of uh environment this would cultivate.
• 9:02
  SPEAKER_00: As a general rule, I would say if you were to ever run into a group of wealthy aristocrats named the Happy Valley set, just it would probably be a good idea to run for your life.
• 9:16
  SPEAKER_00: Um the very very sinister name.
• 9:19
  SPEAKER_00: But, anyways, they spend a few years in Kenya and they're they're stuck there because no other countries will let them in, and they try to petition these countries.
• 9:31
  SPEAKER_00: Winston Churchill absolutely refuses.
• 9:34
  SPEAKER_00: He's uh doesn't want the public backlash of letting somebody who has been labeled a Nazi sympathizer into his country.
• 9:43
  SPEAKER_00: Uh, I think a lot of the other European countries also were basically in the same boat.
• 9:49
  SPEAKER_00: But eventually, of course, uh South Africa is not going to care that much if you are a Nazi sympathizer.
• 9:57
  SPEAKER_00: Uh, which I mean is unfair because he he's really not a Nazi sympathizer.
• 10:03
  SPEAKER_00: But anyway, Jan Smuts eventually ends up petitioning the British government to let them leave the Kenyan compound and provide diplomatic immunity, as long as Paul basically kept his mouth shut about Britain's role in the overthrow.
• 10:19
  SPEAKER_00: At this point, it's not public knowledge that Britain was responsible for the original coup in Yugoslavia.
• 10:27
  SPEAKER_00: So Elizabeth grew up in a community of exiles, anti-communists in displaced, World War II, European royalty and intelligence for Axis and allies alike.
• 10:39
  SPEAKER_00: And something is going on in South Africa.
• 10:43
  SPEAKER_00: This is something I've spent a lot of time trying to look into because too many of these threads seem to go back to this country in specific.
• 10:53
  SPEAKER_00: And I'm not going to say at this point that I feel like I fully have a grasp on it.
• 10:58
  SPEAKER_00: What I will say is that as far as I can tell, it seems to be at the forefront of a lot of neoliberal experimentation.
• 11:05
  SPEAKER_00: Like apartheid South Africa is a premier spot for experimentation and behavior modification and population management.
• 11:14
  SPEAKER_00: It's a place where 20th century state-level psychological warfare had transitioned into 21st century private sector cultism.
• 11:23
  SPEAKER_00: And when apartheid intelligence services were dismantled in South Africa, a lot of these people then moved to the private sector.
• 11:31
  SPEAKER_00: We're going to come back to South Africa and we're going to explore this more, but I hope that gives it a little bit of context.
• 11:39
  SPEAKER_00: Like, you know, I think one thing that's always important when you're looking at history, particularly through a parapolitical lens, is to understand that when something like apartheid or any sort of totalitarian or violent subjugative institution disappears, the people who are running it do not.
• 12:04
  SPEAKER_00: They spread out into other areas.
• 12:07
  SPEAKER_00: So I definitely think that is a factor here.
• 12:09
  SPEAKER_00: For now, though, I will give you a very brief kind of history of South Africa and Jan Smuts in particular.
• 12:20
  SPEAKER_00: So in the mid-1600s, the Dutch East India Company founded the Cape Colony in what would later be South Africa.
• 12:28
  SPEAKER_00: Uh the first, like third of Thomas Pynchon's Mason and Dixon book takes place here.
• 12:37
  SPEAKER_00: Uh it's uh if you haven't read it before, I would definitely recommend it.
• 12:41
  SPEAKER_00: In the early and mid-1700s, groups of white Dutch, French, and German Huguenots, disillusioned with living under the rule of the Dutch East India Company, split off from the settlement and move into what would become South Africa and started farming.
• 12:57
  SPEAKER_00: And that's kind of the first migration of white people into this area.
• 13:03
  SPEAKER_00: The second would happen in the 1800s when Cape Town was seized by the British.
• 13:09
  SPEAKER_00: The new wave also moved into the interior of what would be South Africa at that point.
• 13:14
  SPEAKER_00: And basically, I mean, between the first and the second waves of these people, in both cases, I mean, they're in this long-standing war of attrition that could, in some ways, be compared to something like the conflict between colonialists and native uh and Native Americans with the African population.
• 13:35
  SPEAKER_00: And over time they would form a distinct cultural identity as the Boers at this time and create several Boer republics throughout the area.
• 13:45
  SPEAKER_00: And and it would kind of continue with this general environment of low-level conflict until 1886, when the richest gold reef on earth was found in one of the Boer republics, and that would eventually kick off the Anglo-Bor, where Britain tried to take the colonies the Boers controlled from them.
• 14:06
  SPEAKER_00: And Jan Smuts made his bones in this war fighting the British.
• 14:12
  SPEAKER_00: And this war, as well as the way it ended, is kind of complicated.
• 14:16
  SPEAKER_00: But the long and the short of it is basically that uh the British went totally scorched earth.
• 14:22
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, they created concentration camps in the area that held and allowed to die a ton of boars as well as a ton of native Africans.
• 14:34
  SPEAKER_00: They just burned massive amounts of land and farms and killed tons of civilians, and eventually they would technically sign a treaty where they won, but they kind of handed off the day-to-day administration to people they trusted to kind of guide the larger imperial project in South Africa.
• 15:06
  SPEAKER_00: So Jan Smuts basically ended up being at the head of that.
• 15:10
  SPEAKER_00: And the best way I could think of this to describe it is that it kind of centralized all of these loose board networks into a larger sort of national party that also benefited Britain.
• 15:26
  SPEAKER_00: And this is where eventually, you know, the this state would be the thing that really kind of solidified the Caucasian dominance in the area.
• 15:37
  SPEAKER_00: And it really turned it into a very efficient corporate imperial state, which I think really goes back to why, very broadly speaking, we see a lot of connections between South Africa and Nexium.
• 15:51
  SPEAKER_00: And Jan Smuts is an absolute parapolitical powerhouse.
• 15:55
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, he was part of the original roundtable, which was a sort of semi-secret society that included Britain and several other countries.
• 16:09
  SPEAKER_00: He was a key player in the Paris Peace Conference, which was the meeting that directly led to the creation of the world's two most powerful foreign policy think tanks, uh, the Royal Institute of International Affairs, also called the Chatham House, if you've ever heard of it, in London, and then its sister organization, which if you're American, you might be more familiar with the Council on Foreign Relations in New York.
• 16:35
  SPEAKER_00: And these are massive steering committees for intelligence in the Western sphere for, I mean, uh entire 20th century, arguably up until now.
• 16:47
  SPEAKER_00: One could also make the case that he was more responsible for creating the concept of the Air Force than any other single person.
• 16:56
  SPEAKER_00: His Smuts report, which was commissioned by the British government, uh, with Smuts obviously in charge of finding a solution, created the RAF, which would be the model for the Air Force in the US and similar institutions in other countries.
• 17:11
  SPEAKER_00: He also wrote about and was a huge proponent of a philosophical framework called holism, which a more anointed person might just call new world order shit.
• 17:25
  SPEAKER_00: And I mean, there was real reasons that benefited Jan Smutz.
• 17:31
  SPEAKER_00: You know, a lot of these histories will claim that he took in Paul Kara Georgievich because they were old friends.
• 17:40
  SPEAKER_00: But I mean, an operator like this, I don't think, does anything out of pure sympathy or friendship.
• 17:49
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, I think this did benefit him in a lot of ways, and we'll see this throughout the story where their kind of royal lineage does grant uh legitimacy to a lot of people that would otherwise have the power, but still be sort of in this nouveau riche sort of slot, which would definitely be the case with somebody like Jan Slutz.
• 18:13
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, he was like an on-the-ground fighter in the Anglo-Boar War.
• 18:18
  SPEAKER_00: So it it really kind of solidified his position, too, to have this royalty so close to him.
• 18:23
  SPEAKER_00: Now, before we get to Elizabeth's story proper, I want to make one more quick stop to Peter II.
• 18:32
  SPEAKER_00: Now, this was the 11-year-old kid who was technically the royal in charge of Yugoslavia through his regent Paul Kara Georgevich.
• 18:45
  SPEAKER_00: And his story is a pretty brutal case study on how the political elite will abandon you the second you stop having anything to give them.
• 18:53
  SPEAKER_00: Like a lot of these other people did manage to find a soft landing using their aristocracy, but Peter being so young, I think he just he really got eaten up by the machine.
• 19:07
  SPEAKER_00: He originally is led into the US because he's not seen as a Nazi sympathizer, you know, that would be his uncle.
• 19:16
  SPEAKER_00: And they do this big parade and they applaud him.
• 19:20
  SPEAKER_00: Congress actually stands up at one point and gives him a standing ovation.
• 19:25
  SPEAKER_00: But then after the parade, there's basically nobody to help him, and his assets are mostly frozen or seized.
• 19:31
  SPEAKER_00: Now, the really fucked up thing is Yugoslavia did send the US a bunch of gold for safekeeping, but the US Treasury decided they would better just hold on to it for now.
• 19:43
  SPEAKER_00: And eventually, once Tito and his army take over Yugoslavia, the US government decides that they're going to divvy it out to the multinational corporations who suffered seizures when the communists took over.
• 19:57
  SPEAKER_00: And so Peter is basically left in this foreign country by himself with no support, broke, and he lives in hotels for a while until he runs out of money.
• 20:09
  SPEAKER_00: He gets an office job, and he actually drinks himself to death in Libertyville, Illinois.
• 20:15
  SPEAKER_00: Meanwhile, Elizabeth, from 12 to 18 years old, would be sent to the UK.
• 20:21
  SPEAKER_00: Uh, and she attended Tudor Hall, which was a school under the direct tutelage of Marina, Duchess of Kent.
• 20:28
  SPEAKER_00: And this is a woman with very long ties to British intelligence.
• 20:33
  SPEAKER_00: And I I mean there was intelligence and intelligence adjacent people basically living in this place and moving in and out of it constantly.
• 20:43
  SPEAKER_00: Uh and Elizabeth during this time is constantly being watched and presumably groomed.
• 20:49
  SPEAKER_00: Uh, Marina's husband George had died just a couple years earlier in a suspicious plane crash in 1942.
• 20:56
  SPEAKER_00: And a lot of these people would have actually been some of the exact same people who orchestrated the coup that had led to her family being thrown out of power.
• 21:10
  SPEAKER_00: So she grows up, and as an adult, she marries Howard Oxenberg in 1960, which is where the Oxenberg name comes from.
• 21:20
  SPEAKER_00: Now the official story is that they met skiing and fell in love, and this whole thing rings false to me.
• 21:26
  SPEAKER_00: Like I've said before, anytime a powerful person in a rando or two people from different power circles claim an innocent meat, cute I have questions.
• 21:35
  SPEAKER_00: She was the perfect bridge from the European aristocracy to the American elites, and this allowed her to be seamlessly plugged into U.S.
• 21:42
  SPEAKER_00: elite circles.
• 21:44
  SPEAKER_00: If a displaced princess with ties to the Windsor family is constantly meeting with the president and raises eyebrows, but if a textile manufacturer is good friends with JFK and regularly brings his aristocratic new wife to engage.
• 22:00
  SPEAKER_00: And dinner parties.
• 22:01
  SPEAKER_00: That just looks like a few people going to a party together.
• 22:05
  SPEAKER_00: I also think there's another angle on this, though.
• 22:07
  SPEAKER_00: It does appear that this marriage could have been at least 10 years in the making.
• 22:11
  SPEAKER_00: At first, when I came across some evidence of this that I will explain in a minute, I went searching for an intelligence operation, but as I did more research, it occurred to me that this might not be the right way to look at it.
• 22:22
  SPEAKER_00: I don't ever think we're going to find an Elizabeth Oxenberg Dossier in some MI6 or CIA paperwork somewhere.
• 22:30
  SPEAKER_00: But I think one problem we run into a lot when we try to explain deep politics is that it can be easy to fall back on some variation of like the CIA did it.
• 22:39
  SPEAKER_00: But the truth of the matter is that modern intelligence agencies are a relatively recent invention, and they are in fact servants of the classes that the Kennedys and the Windsors belong to.
• 22:50
  SPEAKER_00: And as I've already mentioned, culturally and socially, Elizabeth grew up surrounded by intelligence agencies, but at the end of the day, she's part of an extremely long lineage of people who operate in much the way something like MI6 does.
• 23:05
  SPEAKER_00: You know, MI6 is actually kind of modeled off of the playbook the Aristocrats were running well before MI6 ever existed.
• 23:16
  SPEAKER_00: I don't think it's inconceivable that this was a decades-long plan, primarily put together by the Kennedys and the Oxenbergs themselves.
• 23:23
  SPEAKER_00: So let me lay out my evidence as it exists.
• 23:25
  SPEAKER_00: Joe Kennedy was working as a U.S.
• 23:28
  SPEAKER_00: ambassador in London, and this opened the door to a relationship with the Windsor's that was quite close.
• 23:33
  SPEAKER_00: These families knew each other well, and decades before the plan to create this marriage would ever have been set in motion.
• 23:40
  SPEAKER_00: On the one hand, you have Elizabeth at these elite boarding schools and these curated environments at a young age, learning to be the person they need.
• 23:49
  SPEAKER_00: On the other hand, you have Howard Oxenberg, a mid-level textile manufacturer in New York, who suddenly has what seems to be a pretty inorganic skyrocketing of wealth and business success.
• 24:00
  SPEAKER_00: And when I say that, what I mean is his main product was women's clothing and maternity clothing, and Jackie Kennedy, who was one of the largest fashion icons at the time, starts wearing his clothing publicly and telling the press and her friends about Howard Oxenberg.
• 24:15
  SPEAKER_00: There also seems to be a less than organic push by the fashion and lifestyle magazines at the time, with cover stories, profiles on him and his business, and photos of high society wearing his clothes.
• 24:27
  SPEAKER_00: He also is inexplicably good friends with the Kennedys, which is odd for the son of Jewish immigrants inhabiting a class strata much lower than the future president or his wife.
• 24:38
  SPEAKER_00: There's also the fact that only a couple years after his divorce from Elizabeth, which would happen in 1966, his business is sold at way over value.
• 24:50
  SPEAKER_00: He takes the money at 50 years old and retires and basically becomes a layabout playboy in Europe, living lavishly until his death at 90.
• 25:00
  SPEAKER_00: Now, people who truly claw their way up to the top dog in the extremely competitive New York textile industry of the 1950s, are the kind of guys who would die at their desk still at 85 years old or whatever.
• 25:17
  SPEAKER_00: A man with the amount of drive the official story claims he has would have been insanely unfulfilled and restless, being a retired gadfly for the next 40 years.
• 25:28
  SPEAKER_00: So the way it reads to me, especially when you consider the sale at a big over-evaluation, it reads as a buyout for fulfilling his part and a payoff to remain silent about anything he knows.
• 25:39
  SPEAKER_00: So basically, what I am suggesting here is that you had Howard Oxenberg, an asset on one side, who was tied to the Kennedys, and on the other side, you had Elizabeth, who was an asset of the Windsor's.
• 25:54
  SPEAKER_00: And if you wanted to tie these two groups together in a mutually beneficial relationship, and in particular, if you wanted to do it in a way like I've already mentioned, that looks a lot more uh social than political, you could marry these two people.
• 26:14
  SPEAKER_00: And given the environments they grew up in, I really don't think that's out of the question.
• 26:21
  SPEAKER_00: Especially when you consider that just, like I said, all of the oddities kind of surrounding particularly Howard Oxenberg and his inexplicable rise and then his inexplicable uh not fall, I guess, but buyout, and uh what the rest of his life looks like.
• 26:40
  SPEAKER_00: Either way, though, they would have two daughters, Catherine and Christina Oxenberg.
• 26:44
  SPEAKER_00: Now, Christina is supposedly a secret Kennedy, and this is fairly well established, if you believe Christina.
• 26:54
  SPEAKER_00: I'm inclined to, because she seems like a little bit of a loose canon who likes to spill secrets.
• 27:02
  SPEAKER_00: She actually has a Patreon that's titled Secrets, which is a really fascinating behind-the-scenes picture of her family.
• 27:11
  SPEAKER_00: And she has written a very lightly fictionalized book as well as a lot of autobiographical stuff, and she claims that as a teenager, her mother told her that she was a Kennedy, but to keep quiet about it because, quote, a lot of people want to kill Kennedys right now.
• 27:33
  SPEAKER_00: Um, and this also is not hard to believe at all because we actually know for a fact that Christina was sleeping with uh JFK.
• 27:41
  SPEAKER_00: It's it's all it's also worth reiterating exactly how well the Oxenbergs and the Cafritz family knew each other before Nexium.
• 27:48
  SPEAKER_00: Pamela Kaffrit's mom, Gwendolyn, was a party hostess and tabloid figure who was often throwing the parties Elizabeth was socializing at.
• 27:57
  SPEAKER_00: More broadly than that, though, they were both hanging out with the same set at the same time, and this was a pretty small, pretty exclusive set.
• 28:05
  SPEAKER_00: Now, three years after the divorce of Elizabeth and Howard Oxenberg, Elizabeth seems to move to another strange arrangement.
• 28:13
  SPEAKER_00: She marries Neil Balfour and brings her and her children back to London.
• 28:17
  SPEAKER_00: This, I don't yet again, seems more like another perfect set of incentives falling into place than a typical marriage.
• 28:25
  SPEAKER_00: And I don't want to sound too noted here, but I really do think that when you get to this level of power and wealth, it's almost an Occam's razor type situation to assume there are material incentives for marriages a lot of the time.
• 28:47
  SPEAKER_00: Like, I actually think it's probably pretty rare at that level that it's as simple as just two people fell in love and got married.
• 28:55
  SPEAKER_00: Partly because these people are connected to families with real interests that are going to exert control and influence over who their kids marry.
• 29:09
  SPEAKER_00: And I mean, unless it's a strange situation where, you know, two people elope and the families openly hate it or something, I'm inclined to believe that most of these marriages are done with the blessing of these families, which means there was probably some level of an arrangement there that, you know, your regular working class person doesn't experience as much.
• 29:32
  SPEAKER_00: You know, you let me let me say, you even see this in the middle class.
• 29:36
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, that's uh to a much smaller extent, but if you really kind of look at the way uh, you know, people whose parents are doctors and lawyers and stuff like that, and the way a lot of the time they will react if they don't like the person their child wants to marry or is dating, and extrapolate that, I mean, exponentially.
• 30:03
  SPEAKER_00: And I think it really is not a stretch to assume this.
• 30:07
  SPEAKER_00: Either way, uh, this particular set of incentives in this case is that Neil Balfour is an Oxford barrister and a major striver working as a wealthy merchant banker for one of the oldest banks in British history.
• 30:21
  SPEAKER_00: Now, you don't typically get into Oxford without a pedigree, and he has one.
• 30:26
  SPEAKER_00: He comes from multi-generational wealth, but he isn't a part of the old aristocracy.
• 30:30
  SPEAKER_00: So here's another arrangement, yet again, like I said, like that this is really the currency post-Yugoslavia that these people have to offer is a reputational one.
• 30:42
  SPEAKER_00: It's uh their ties to aristocracy.
• 30:46
  SPEAKER_00: And what she gets from him is legitimacy and a whitewashing of her American tabloid legacy.
• 30:51
  SPEAKER_00: And she's back in Europe being one of the real aristocrats.
• 30:54
  SPEAKER_00: She's no longer this person getting snapped by paparazzi, running around with JFK.
• 31:00
  SPEAKER_00: Now, one of the major tells about exactly how transactional this relationship is, is that in 1974 she runs off with the movie star Richard Burden and gets publicly engaged.
• 31:12
  SPEAKER_00: And Neil Balfour knows about this, but he stays silent for four years until quietly getting divorced.
• 31:20
  SPEAKER_00: So from 1974 to 1978, she's all over the tabloids again.
• 31:25
  SPEAKER_00: Jet setting with one of the most talked-about celebrities on earth at the time, fresh off his divorce, was with Elizabeth Taylor.
• 31:33
  SPEAKER_00: Now, Neil never takes any legal action and never speaks publicly about it at all.
• 31:39
  SPEAKER_00: In fact, he continues to let her and her children use the home and his money and spend time in London whenever it is convenient.
• 31:47
  SPEAKER_00: Some could argue Elizabeth, in the larger aristocratic framework, playing geopolitics, is executing a few things at once at the exact same time period.
• 31:56
  SPEAKER_00: Extending the marriage with Balfour gives him more time to harvest legitimacy, which would eventually lead to him being a major power player in British politics.
• 32:06
  SPEAKER_00: And she gets to simultaneously beef up her credentials as serious aristocracy and insert herself in the beating heart of the Hollywood scene.
• 32:15
  SPEAKER_00: Now, I'm really trying to keep Catherine out of this because she's going to get her own episode, or at least her own segment.
• 32:22
  SPEAKER_00: But her sister Christina had her own experiences that is probably worth at least briefly remarking upon.
• 32:28
  SPEAKER_00: First of all, both of the sisters found out about the engagement to Richard Burden over the radio, which is pretty fucked up, especially because they were living in the home with their stepdad when they found out, and also because he would be immediately moving into their home in Chelsea.
• 32:45
  SPEAKER_00: The other thing worth remarking upon is just some of the toxic situations Christina has written about.
• 32:50
  SPEAKER_00: She has one story she tells where Richard Burden, who is a massive alcoholic, is in the middle of a bender and Elizabeth leaves the home and puts Christina in charge of trying to control his drinking.
• 33:02
  SPEAKER_00: She recounts desperately playing hangman with him for hours on end to distract a volatile and emotional severe alcoholic from drinking so much he dies from alcohol poisoning.
• 33:13
  SPEAKER_00: Now, I'm not trying to be salacious in recounting these stories, and I'm also not trying to overly pathologize.
• 33:19
  SPEAKER_00: Lord knows I grew up poor, and I know plenty of people with stories that equal or even significantly exceed either of the things I've just recounted.
• 33:28
  SPEAKER_00: What I am trying to show is that this is a fundamentally dysfunctional family.
• 33:33
  SPEAKER_00: And when you see them in the various Netflix documentaries, they're turned into an archetypal regular Joe mom and grandma trying to help the errand kid.
• 33:42
  SPEAKER_00: Which they are not.
• 33:43
  SPEAKER_00: They are not that because as we will get into, Catherine and India are way more involved in the machinery of Nexium than either would like to admit.
• 33:50
  SPEAKER_00: But even on a surface level, if you scrub all of that away, the basic way Elizabeth presents herself as a desperate doting grandmother does not match what we know about her life.
• 34:00
  SPEAKER_00: Either way, this affair eventually flames out.
• 34:03
  SPEAKER_00: Richard Burden returns to Elizabeth Taylor, and Elizabeth has a quiet, amicable divorce with Neil Balfour.
• 34:10
  SPEAKER_00: With such perfect timing, it's pretty much impossible to not read intentional planning behind it.
• 34:15
  SPEAKER_00: Because, okay, in 1979, the European Parliament was holding its first parliamentary elections.
• 34:22
  SPEAKER_00: Prior to that, Parliament was simply appointed, and Neil would run as a conservative.
• 34:28
  SPEAKER_00: And the same month of the divorce, he would marry a woman from the Churchill bloodline, which gave him a solid seven months before the election really geared up to pivot from the tabloid headlines about him being cuckolded to his new image as a loving husband in his new marriage.
• 34:45
  SPEAKER_00: So, just to clarify this once again, she is openly cheating on him from 1974 to 1978 in a way that would be very reputationally embarrassing.
• 34:57
  SPEAKER_00: And he is allowing and funding all of this until seven months before he runs for higher office, where they have a quiet, amicable divorce, and he marries somebody from the Churchill bloodline the same month.
• 35:14
  SPEAKER_00: Like, I don't I don't know how you read that as anything other than an arrangement.
• 35:18
  SPEAKER_00: So Elizabeth would take her daughters and move back to New York for a few years, where she would throw parties, integrate herself into the New York social scene, where the Caverites also liked to hang out, and help her daughter Catherine break into show business.
• 36:02
  SPEAKER_00: He is the former Prime Minister and Minister of Economy for Peru.
• 36:06
  SPEAKER_00: He is a global banking insider who manages South American state assets.
• 36:11
  SPEAKER_00: This marriage gives Elizabeth probably the most valuable thing she's gotten from a marriage yet, which is diplomatic immunity.
• 36:20
  SPEAKER_00: Remember, since 1945, Elizabeth and her royal family have been legally banned from ever entering Yugoslavia on pain of arrest.
• 36:29
  SPEAKER_00: They are stateless exiles.
• 36:31
  SPEAKER_00: But the moment she marries Ulyoa Elias, she gets a high-level Peruvian diplomatic passport.
• 36:39
  SPEAKER_00: And in that exact same year, 1987, she uses that foreign diplomatic shield to walk right past Yugoslavian border security, completely untouchable by the local laws.
• 36:51
  SPEAKER_00: So her third husband is the absolute uppercrust of the Peruvian ruling class.
• 36:55
  SPEAKER_00: His father was a Peruvian Minister of Foreign Affairs, and his great-grandfather had been the president.
• 37:01
  SPEAKER_00: He was a neoliberal corporate oligarch who had helped to usher in the era of mass South American privatization and free trade agreements that we talked about pretty substantially in the prologue to this series.
• 37:13
  SPEAKER_00: He would move to New York in the 1950s, and this would be the site of yet another supposed meet cue with Elizabeth a couple of decades later.
• 37:22
  SPEAKER_00: And during that time, he would become an increasingly powerful banker and Peruvian politician.
• 37:29
  SPEAKER_00: So, like I said, Elizabeth gets diplomatic immunity and he gets the same entrance into the aristocracy she offered her second husband.
• 37:36
  SPEAKER_00: Another obvious sign this marriage is transactional is that they would separate in 1989, but the marriage would continue until his death because it still offered utility for both of them.
• 37:47
  SPEAKER_00: She still needed diplomatic immunity, and most of his material assets were in Peru, whose economy had been shattered and was in a state of absolute chaos.
• 37:57
  SPEAKER_00: And what her royal status did was it kept a reservoir of unauditable foreign shelter open for his money, and all of his assets would cleanly transfer to her when she died in 1992.
• 38:09
  SPEAKER_00: And if you think that Manuel Uyoa Elias was just an isolated politician in Peru, you are missing the entire continental map.
• 38:20
  SPEAKER_00: Monuel was a high-level banking architect working the Rockefeller-backed Dell Tech pipeline in New York.
• 38:26
  SPEAKER_00: And that puts him in immediate systemic alignment with the most powerful, dangerous political dynasty in modern Mexican history, the Salinas family, from the prologue.
• 38:37
  SPEAKER_00: And from Nexium fame, obviously.
• 38:40
  SPEAKER_00: In the late 1980s and early 90s, the exact years Monwell is running his transactional ghost marriage with Princess Elizabeth, President Salinas is executing the exact same neoliberal privatization blueprint in Mexico that Monwell pioneered in Peru.
• 38:58
  SPEAKER_00: They were both elite managers of this new borderless corporate infrastructure.
• 39:03
  SPEAKER_00: They were playing by the exact same rules, backed by the exact same global banking interests.
• 39:08
  SPEAKER_00: Decades later, the Oxenbergs and the billionaire Bronfmanaires, who we've talked about, will pool their assets to build Nexium and also to build Rainbow Cultural Gardens, the strange behavior modification school run by Nexium.
• 39:24
  SPEAKER_00: And when they want to take their human harvesting and behavioral modification pipeline international, where do they build their absolute strongest, most secure fortress?
• 39:34
  SPEAKER_00: Ding ding ding.
• 39:35
  SPEAKER_00: Mexico City.
• 39:37
  SPEAKER_00: And who is the executive director running Nexium's Mexican operations?
• 39:42
  SPEAKER_00: Why, that would be son of Carlos Salinas, Emiliano Salinas.
• 39:46
  SPEAKER_00: This is why I'm so certain this system wasn't invented in Albany by a guy named Keith Rainier.
• 39:52
  SPEAKER_00: The architecture was engineered decades prior by a consortium of international bankers and cartel state presidents.
• 39:59
  SPEAKER_00: Princess Elizabeth's husband was laying the structural tracks in the 80s, and 20 years later, her granddaughter India Oxenberg is running pediatric laboratories in tandem with the son of the president of Mexico.
• 40:13
  SPEAKER_00: But we will return to that.
• 40:14
  SPEAKER_00: Anyways, in 1987, right after getting married, she almost immediately uses her new Peruvian diplomatic papers to ride a train into Yugoslavia.
• 40:23
  SPEAKER_00: Now, Elizabeth is visiting in the exact hyper tumultuous moment when Slobodan Milosevich is launching an internal coup to seize control of the Serbian state apparatus.
• 40:35
  SPEAKER_00: And her official story is that she basically quietly goes there, stands on the soil of her home country, and weeps or whatever.
• 40:44
  SPEAKER_00: She'll also secretly return a bit later in 1988.
• 40:47
  SPEAKER_00: And in both cases, we really don't know what the fuck she was doing there.
• 40:52
  SPEAKER_00: I imagine holding meetings, doing reconnaissance, transferring documents, you know, spy shit.
• 40:58
  SPEAKER_00: Like I I do not believe for a second that all of this was arranged and all of these risks were taken just so she could set foot on the land her family used to rule over.
• 41:13
  SPEAKER_00: It just it it makes no sense.
• 41:16
  SPEAKER_00: And I think this would probably be a good time too to just mention really quickly that this is a very similar playbook to what Nexium would use a few decades later.
• 41:27
  SPEAKER_00: Because Nexium several times would have two people with no history get married in order to move people across borders.
• 41:36
  SPEAKER_00: There are several documented cases of this.
• 41:39
  SPEAKER_00: Lauren Salzman helped orchestrate a sham marriage to a Mexican national referred to as Sylvia, keep her in the country according to court documents.
• 41:49
  SPEAKER_00: Another Mexican woman, referred to as Mariana, in the court documents, also talks about a sham marriage between her and another Nexium member, orchestrated by Nexium.
• 42:00
  SPEAKER_00: And then you have Rainbow Cultural Gardens, who is trafficking, at the very least, nannies, if not children, for its experiments.
• 42:08
  SPEAKER_00: And they had a whole grab bag of tricks to move these foreign nannies across borders, but one surefire one they returned to is the on-paper marriage.
• 42:17
  SPEAKER_00: Anyways, let's head back to Yugoslavia and Princess Elizabeth.
• 42:20
  SPEAKER_00: Uh, she would separate from Elias in 1989, and around this time she's traveling to the Vatican, she's traveling to meetings with Gorbachev, meeting with the UN, and by 1990 she has funding for and establishes an NGO that will have all sorts of access to Yugoslavian refugee camps.
• 42:41
  SPEAKER_00: And she had begun to put it together just a couple years before the collapse of Yugoslavia.
• 42:47
  SPEAKER_00: One might even think she had some sort of inside track or inside knowledge that this would happen.
• 42:54
  SPEAKER_00: And let's talk about these camps.
• 42:56
  SPEAKER_00: These camps became her capita, one of the densest human trafficking pools in modern history.
• 43:02
  SPEAKER_00: Organ trafficking, sex trafficking, labor trafficking.
• 43:07
  SPEAKER_00: It is an absolute horror show to look at what is going on at this time, and Elizabeth has unprecedented high security access to it under a humanitarian shield.
• 43:18
  SPEAKER_00: Fascinating, considering this exact same family would be on the ground floor engineering an international human trafficking and pediatric behavior laboratory only a few decades later.
• 43:30
  SPEAKER_00: And I mean, these camps were horrible.
• 43:33
  SPEAKER_00: The war had displaced 2.2 million people who had lost their statehood and had nowhere to go.
• 43:39
  SPEAKER_00: The UN and several NGOs, Elizabeth's included, would create camps to house these people who had lost any sort of legal personhood.
• 43:48
  SPEAKER_00: And I know this is one of the least surprising things I've ever said, but a UN camp put together by the aristocracy to house vulnerable people immediately starts to viciously exploit them.
• 44:00
  SPEAKER_00: Almost like it's the point.
• 44:02
  SPEAKER_00: Which I really don't think is a stretch, given that there have been lawsuits and court cases about this.
• 44:07
  SPEAKER_00: I would encourage those interested to read Whistleblower by Catherine Bolkovac, where she gives documented evidence that NATO forces, UN peacekeepers, and high-level US defense industry employees were actively both consumers and sellers in this market.
• 44:24
  SPEAKER_00: At one point, they got caught using official UN vehicles to sneak trafficking victims through a checkpoint.
• 44:30
  SPEAKER_00: They faced no recrimination because they had total diplomatic immunity.
• 44:34
  SPEAKER_00: The international forces sent there to protect the refugees were the ones doing a lot of the ground floor trafficking.
• 44:41
  SPEAKER_00: This is a lucrative, highly organized human harvesting laboratory.
• 44:54
  SPEAKER_00: Let's break this down even further, because I think as awful as it is, it's important to understand exactly what was happening and what Elizabeth was organizing and facilitating a mere decade or so before India would end up as an operational force in Nexium.
• 45:11
  SPEAKER_00: First, there is sex trafficking.
• 45:14
  SPEAKER_00: For roughly the first half of the 90s, you had women being taken from their families and sent to specially designated rape camps, usually in old motels, schools, or abandoned factories.
• 45:26
  SPEAKER_00: They were there explicitly to be raped and to be sold on an industrial scale.
• 45:30
  SPEAKER_00: You would hit a checkpoint, the people from the UN would say they were taking you to refugee camps.
• 45:36
  SPEAKER_00: Then they would send those they found fit for sex slavery to a separate enclosure away from their families.
• 45:42
  SPEAKER_00: In the second half of the 90s, Yugoslavia was a failed state and it was flooded with more UN, NATO, and other various troops.
• 45:52
  SPEAKER_00: At this point, the sex trafficking became a more sophisticated corporate operation.
• 45:57
  SPEAKER_00: They would move these girls to newly created brothels and pull other girls from Eastern Europe into the sphere, often using a young man to seduce them, promise them work, and then have them kidnapped or trapped with debt slavery once they arrived.
• 46:12
  SPEAKER_00: As I'm sure you can imagine, one of the main customer bases were the troops who recently flooded the area.
• 46:19
  SPEAKER_00: They would break these women locally, and once they were convinced they had totally shattered their personality, they would oftentimes start moving them throughout the world.
• 46:28
  SPEAKER_00: Two of the main routes were the Adriatic Sea route and the overland central European route.
• 46:35
  SPEAKER_00: In the Adriatic Sea route, women were packed into fast speedboats or commercial ferries leaving from Adriatic port cities in Albania or from the coastline of Montenegro.
• 46:47
  SPEAKER_00: They were run across the narrow strait into southern Italy, and from Italy they were distributed northwestward into the elite hidden markets of France, Spain, and Switzerland.
• 46:58
  SPEAKER_00: In the overland Central European route, this pipeline would run directly through the transit checkpoints of Serbia and Croatia, moving inventory straight up into Hungary or Slovenia.
• 47:09
  SPEAKER_00: Once inside Hungary, the victims were officially past the legal perimeter of the European Union, allowing syndicates to traffic them seamlessly into Austria, Germany, the Netherlands, and Great Britain.
• 47:22
  SPEAKER_00: Then we have labor trafficking.
• 47:24
  SPEAKER_00: During the years when the camps were active, you had all of these shady NGOs that were fully registered, highly capitalized, and internationally recognized institutions that would show up and scout them.
• 47:37
  SPEAKER_00: Often they would have names like International Exchange and Tourism Association, or the Au-Pair Placement Bureau.
• 47:44
  SPEAKER_00: And they would post flyers and set up booths promising visas and work.
• 47:49
  SPEAKER_00: They would particularly target young women, partly because men tend to work more highly regulated jobs like construction or agriculture, and it's just easier to traffic women because of the domestic jobs they'll be given, and partly because obviously the lines blur in these three forms of trafficking.
• 48:06
  SPEAKER_00: And from a financial standpoint, a girl or a woman is more of a multi-utility asset.
• 48:11
  SPEAKER_00: These NGOs would advertise jobs like childcare, house cleaning contracts, and off-pair sponsorships, and they would be promised good pay in Western households.
• 48:22
  SPEAKER_00: They would use legitimate visas since they were legally registered groups, get these people where they were going, oftentimes to serve domestic roles in upper class homes.
• 48:31
  SPEAKER_00: And when they got there, these agencies would take away their identification and visa, claiming they were holding it for safekeeping, or they would send it to immigration and these people would never get them back.
• 48:43
  SPEAKER_00: This would usually be followed up by a debt agency claiming they had to pay for transportation, and now they're debt-ridden, illegally in the country, and they don't speak the language.
• 48:53
  SPEAKER_00: These NGOs would also operate under what is called status of force agreements, so local authorities had no jurisdiction to do anything about it, even if they wanted to.
• 49:04
  SPEAKER_00: Finally, we have what is probably the most horrific form of trafficking in this smorgasbord of absolute nightmare fuel, which is of course organ trafficking.
• 49:13
  SPEAKER_00: I don't know.
• 49:14
  SPEAKER_00: Maybe it's not the most horrific.
• 49:16
  SPEAKER_00: Maybe they're all horrific in different ways.
• 49:18
  SPEAKER_00: I do think one of the things most unsettling about this type of trafficking is that it requires a level of coordination and professionalism that trumps even the other two highly coordinated types of trafficking that was going on.
• 49:32
  SPEAKER_00: It requires surgeons, specialists, high-end medical equipment, cold storage transport, and it all requires a pretty strict timetable.
• 49:43
  SPEAKER_00: The basic way this would work is that the people at these camps would undergo blood and tissue tests when they entered.
• 49:49
  SPEAKER_00: If their profile matched for some elite international purchaser on the other end looking for an organ that had been logged in their database and they were a suitable donor, they would be sent to one of a few medical facilities that were extracting organs in the area, the most infamous of them being dubbed the Yellow House.
• 50:08
  SPEAKER_00: And when they got there, they would be shot in the head and their organs would be immediately extracted, placed in storage, and rushed on a flight to the person who bought them.
• 50:18
  SPEAKER_00: And I know we've already catalogued half a dozen ways these trafficking operations in these camps have had institutional backing and cover.
• 50:25
  SPEAKER_00: But if you're looking for another one, at one point investigators from the International Criminal Tribunal for the former Yugoslavia visited the Yellow House and found tons of evidence of organ trafficking.
• 50:37
  SPEAKER_00: And the reaction was to destroy the evidence.
• 50:40
  SPEAKER_00: Also, we know that several intelligence agencies, including the CIA and MI6, had extensive dossiers on these places and sat on them because a lot of the people involved were the people they were actually trying to put in charge of the region.
• 50:54
  SPEAKER_00: In fact, the head of one of these groups, Hashim Thachi of the Drenisha group, would end up becoming president of Kosovo at a point.
• 51:05
  SPEAKER_00: Years later, this wartime network evolved into a peacetime corporate venture called the Medicus Clinic, which had the Medicus Clinic scandal where several dossiers outlining the people involved in the purchasers were found by investigators.
• 51:20
  SPEAKER_00: A handful of low-level people were prosecuted, many were not, and went on to rise in the political machine, and not a single purchaser was ever charged.
• 51:29
  SPEAKER_00: Princess Elizabeth of Yugoslavia is still alive.
• 51:32
  SPEAKER_00: For the sake of our story, though, this is where her journey ends for us.
• 51:36
  SPEAKER_00: If you want just a quick synopsis of what the next few decades look like for her, it probably won't surprise you.
• 51:42
  SPEAKER_00: She wins a bunch of humanitarian awards.
• 51:44
  SPEAKER_00: She runs for president of what used to be Yugoslavia and is now Serbia in 2004.
• 51:50
  SPEAKER_00: And loses, at which point she pivots to selling her fragrance, just called E on the home shopping network.
• 51:56
  SPEAKER_00: Probably more of a vanity project than anything, given how wealthy and sh secure she is.
• 52:01
  SPEAKER_00: But of course, our thesis here is that the trafficking she learned in the Balkans didn't disappear.
• 52:06
  SPEAKER_00: It was handed straight down to the kids.
• 52:08
  SPEAKER_00: Alright, guys, thank you for tuning in again.
• 52:11
  SPEAKER_00: I know it's been a little bit.
• 52:13
  SPEAKER_00: Uh, I mentioned in the episode I did with Fergal, the introduction to it, that I just I had some personal life stuff going on.
• 52:21
  SPEAKER_00: I'm back on my bullshit now.
• 52:23
  SPEAKER_00: Um, if I do want to announce that I have started a Patreon and I am going to be continuing to drop weekly episodes.
• 52:34
  SPEAKER_00: In fact, over the next few weeks, probably going to be closer to two episodes a week because of the project I am working on with the wonderful Fergal of the Kingless Generation, um, which is uh on the round table Aranos.
• 52:49
  SPEAKER_00: Super interesting stuff.
• 52:50
  SPEAKER_00: Um, if you haven't checked it out already, I would definitely encourage you to.
• 52:55
  SPEAKER_00: I have some plans going forward as far as the Patreon goes.
• 53:01
  SPEAKER_00: I started it a couple of weeks ago just to create it and get it out there.
• 53:07
  SPEAKER_00: And I've already had a few people donate, which is incredible.
• 53:10
  SPEAKER_00: So thank you so much.
• 53:12
  SPEAKER_00: If you'd like to support my work, make it so I can do more of it.
• 53:15
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, please, five dollars a month makes a world of difference.
• 53:19
  SPEAKER_00: Um, I am planning on starting a reading group on that Patreon.
• 53:24
  SPEAKER_00: It may be in a few weeks, because I want to finish up this project I'm doing with Fergal, and I want to finish up this Nexium project.
• 53:32
  SPEAKER_00: And I'm thinking that after that, what I am going to do is I'm going to, in order to not burn myself out and in order to hopefully expand a little bit, um, I'm gonna start dropping investigative pieces like the one today every other week.
• 53:50
  SPEAKER_00: And then on the opposite weeks, I want to do like a reading series of some sort of parapolitical book.
• 53:56
  SPEAKER_00: I I mentioned this before, but I think I'm gonna start with Sinister Forces.
• 54:00
  SPEAKER_00: And my goal is kind of to uh examine these books, kind of parse them, talk about them, figure out what's uh useful in them and what might not be.
• 54:12
  SPEAKER_00: I think Sinister Forces will be a really good place to start because uh Peter Levenda is a very strange character and a very elusive trickster-y type of character.
• 54:24
  SPEAKER_00: So, you know, he'll drop an absolute bombshell of like verifiable information, and then he will drop a line of bullshit in the next paragraph.
• 54:35
  SPEAKER_00: So I think that'll be a lot of fun.
• 54:38
  SPEAKER_00: I want to try to do it in a way where you can either read along with me, or you know, you could use it as a substitute for the book too.
• 54:49
  SPEAKER_00: Like I want I want to try to thread that needle where I make it complex and enjoyable enough for those that are reading along, and also explain it well enough narratively that you don't need to in order to enjoy the book series.
• 55:04
  SPEAKER_00: So please, if you're willing, go over to my Patreon.
• 55:09
  SPEAKER_00: Um, I'm tentatively going to say that late June, early July is probably when I'll drop the first reading series episode.
• 55:18
  SPEAKER_00: I am going to finish.
• 55:20
  SPEAKER_00: We probably have, I don't know, three, maybe four more episodes of Nexium Podcast to go.
• 55:27
  SPEAKER_00: Virgil and I have our ongoing project, so I imagine both of those will have probably wrapped up by then, and that's when I'm gonna switch to this new format.
• 55:38
  SPEAKER_00: Uh so thanks guys, and I will see you again next week.
• 55:42
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, and also, so we dropped our first episode for free.
• 55:47
  SPEAKER_00: If you do want something for your Patreon books, uh the second episode is going to be paywalled.
• 55:54
  SPEAKER_00: It is paywalled over at the Kingless Generations podcast as well.
• 56:01
  SPEAKER_00: If you can only afford one and you would like to hear the episode for the time being, I would recommend that you probably uh go to his Patreon because he's got a lot more to offer you at the moment.
• 56:14
  SPEAKER_00: He's got a whole backlog of episodes.
• 56:16
  SPEAKER_00: Uh, but I would definitely, you know, the the it's funny how such a small amount can matter a lot.
• 56:23
  SPEAKER_00: I've had four people uh give me a five dollar donation without me asking at this point, just from a link on one of my episodes.
• 56:35
  SPEAKER_00: And I don't know, it meant a lot.
• 56:37
  SPEAKER_00: Like I to know that this thing I'm doing mattered enough to somebody to bother to seek that out.
• 56:45
  SPEAKER_00: So thank you if all you've already donated.
• 56:48
  SPEAKER_00: Thank you if you do in the future, and I will see you guys later.