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Super Model Cindy Crawford Son Dead At 27 · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Tonight, supermodel Cindy Crawford's son dead at 27 and a
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Speaker 1: $ 15, 000 a month rehab. Good evening. I'm Nancy Grace. This
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Speaker 1: is Crime Stories. I want to thank you for being
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Speaker 1: with us.
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Speaker 2: Supermodel Presley Gerber, the son of fashion icon Cindy Crawford,
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Speaker 2: is found dead. 27-year-old Gerber is found unresponsive at a
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Speaker 2: Los Angeles rehabilitation facility as authorities investigate the heartbreaking circumstances
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Speaker 2: surrounding his death as a suspected overdose.
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Speaker 3: Engine 1, we're clearing our call.
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Speaker 4: You can dispatch us to.
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Speaker 5: Instead of Engine 7. Engine 7, BLS 2, cardiac arrest.
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Speaker 3: Engine 7, BLS 2.
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Speaker 4: BLS one overdose.
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Speaker 3: BLS one. Engine one disregard the stage.
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Speaker 6: Engine one copy.
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Speaker 4: Engine one BLS one continuing and upgraded.
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Speaker 7: I grew up a very active kid. I started surfing.
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Speaker 5: Um, I started playing water polo and along with water
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Speaker 5: polo on the off season and ideally during the season,
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Speaker 5: you're also on swim team just for conditioning. When I
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Speaker 5: started working, which was like around the age of 14.
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Speaker 5: And I started traveling and I stopped doing like all this,
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Speaker 5: you know, I was maybe in New York shooting something
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Speaker 5: or I had to do a thing in Europe that like,
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Speaker 5: you know, and there's more like 15, 16. But what
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Speaker 5: I'm trying to say is the less activity that was
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Speaker 5: in my life, especially for me, the ocean, like the
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Speaker 5: more medication I found having to be integrated into my
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Speaker 5: life and the.
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Speaker 7: More I just the quality of life. rapidly decreased.
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Speaker 5: But for me, it took 10 years of looking back
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Speaker 5: at my life being like, well, what changed?
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Speaker 7: What changed?
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Speaker 5: A lot of the time people would always ask like,
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Speaker 5: you were such a happy kid. What happened to you? I,
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Speaker 5: you know, it's a little bit of a tough way
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Speaker 5: to ask that question. But what happened was life happened
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Speaker 5: and I wasn't able to worry about one thing, which
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Speaker 5: was my next meal and then get back in the ocean. Like,
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Speaker 5: I had to start making money. I had to start,
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Speaker 5: I got a job.
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Speaker 1: And I'm not saying that.
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Speaker 5: Oh, I shouldn't, you know, they should have just, my
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Speaker 5: parents should have just let me surf all day and da-da-da-da-da.
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Speaker 7: What would the outcome have been?
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Speaker 1: I don't know.
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Speaker 5: But I can say for sure, and I still firmly
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Speaker 5: believe by, you know, this, because there's data, activity is important.
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Speaker 5: And if you're someone who likes dopamine, adrenaline, and Physical
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Speaker 5: activity is a very important thing to integrate in your life.
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Speaker 5: And I think that you will be a lot happier
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Speaker 5: if you do it.
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Speaker 1: That is Cindy Crawford's son, Presley Gerber's Insta. And earlier
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Speaker 1: you heard the 911 call referring to his death as
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Speaker 1: a cardiac event. Joining us, an all-star panel to make
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Speaker 1: sense of what we are learning. Straight out to Jessica Finn,
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Speaker 1: senior investigative reporter, U.S. Sun. Jessica, what do we know tonight?
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Speaker 7: Well, so there was two.
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Speaker 4: He basically, Presley, had checked into this rehab at around
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Speaker 4: 10 o'clock Saturday night. So this death came at 930 a.m.
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Speaker 4: Sunday morning. He was already being pronounced dead once the
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Speaker 4: police and paramedics arrived at the scene. So he had
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Speaker 4: only been in the facility for a handful of hours
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Speaker 4: before he basically went into cardiac arrest on Sunday morning
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Speaker 4: and the authorities were called. Once they got there, I'm
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Speaker 4: told from my law enforcement sources that they didn't even
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Speaker 4: bother to do anything like administer Narcan because he was
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Speaker 4: already dead when they arrived. And so once they were
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Speaker 4: on the scene, they basically were there for several hours
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Speaker 4: speaking to residents and the various staff at the facility
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Speaker 4: to try and get an idea of what had happened
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Speaker 4: in that timeframe since he had checked in just the
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Speaker 4: night before.
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Speaker 1: I just don't get it. Straight up to Max Miner
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Speaker 1: joining us, addiction expert, CEO of Executive Treatment Solutions. It's
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Speaker 1: a specialized treatment support service helping people in crisis like this.
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Speaker 1: And what's especially impressive about Max Miner, he was an addict.
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Speaker 1: and somehow managed to not only overcome that, but create
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Speaker 1: executive treatment solutions. Max, and no offense to all the
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Speaker 1: posh rehabs, but this is about an $ 8 million facility,
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Speaker 1: $ 7. 7 million to be exact.
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Speaker 7: Well, you're absolutely right, Nancy.
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Speaker 8: And I mean, I think, you know, the term rehab
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Speaker 8: is being used very loosely here. And it needs to
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Speaker 8: be made clear that supportive housing is is vastly different
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Speaker 8: clinical treatment. And it's in the name, right? It's Resolutions Living.
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Speaker 8: And we don't have confirmation whether or not he was
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Speaker 8: actually receiving therapeutic services either with resolutions or at a
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Speaker 8: different program. But, you know, rehab is not an appropriate
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Speaker 8: representation of what.
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Speaker 7: You know, what they offer.
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Speaker 1: Well, if it's not rehab, what is it?
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Speaker 7: It's supportive housing. And, you know, you're absolutely right. They're
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Speaker 7: supposed to be watching them without a doubt.
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Speaker 8: But... It's support housing, right? It's like I said, it's
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Speaker 8: vastly different. This isn't a medical detox facility. At least
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Speaker 8: we don't have confirmation of that. And it's very clear
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Speaker 8: that if he checked in just, you know, his intake
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Speaker 8: was hours before his death, you know, investigators need to
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Speaker 8: be looking at, okay, well, what was ingested prior to
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Speaker 8: his arrival? Was there a tox? Because it's supportive. Listen, Nancy,
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Speaker 8: I deal with these programs all the time. Because it's
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Speaker 8: supportive housing, doesn't mean that you skip on the appropriate
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Speaker 8: intake protocols, right? Was a toxicology screen performed? Was he searched?
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Speaker 8: Were his items searched? A lot of times in these
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Speaker 8: supportive living environments, because they are already coming from a
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Speaker 8: higher level of care, it's just not as, you know,
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Speaker 8: it's very loose, right?
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Speaker 7: It's not as strict as it should be.
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Speaker 1: Okay. I'm trying to understand what you're saying, Max, because-
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Speaker 1: I don't understand how you can go into a facility
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Speaker 1: that's called resolution sober living and not get tested when
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Speaker 1: you walk in to find out if you're drunk or
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Speaker 1: high or if you've ingested any type of pills or alcohol.
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Speaker 1: Aren't they strictly verboten in these facilities? I mean, how
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Speaker 1: did he get enough dope to die inside? They call
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Speaker 1: themselves a rehab inside a rehab. How did that happen?
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Speaker 7: Well, that's the question that everybody's asking. But, you know, Nancy,
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Speaker 7: I'm going to I'm just going to give it to
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Speaker 7: you straight.
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Speaker 6: Right.
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Speaker 8: Luxury is not a level of care. And a lot
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Speaker 8: of times and again, it doesn't just happen at the
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Speaker 8: luxury facilities. It can happen anywhere. It can happen at
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Speaker 8: the Salvation Army and the county funded program. The facility
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Speaker 8: is only as good as the individuals who are there
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Speaker 8: providing that support. And in this case, again, you know,
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Speaker 8: it's an assumption, but we need to, investigators need to
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Speaker 8: determine what was missed because, you know, he very easily
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Speaker 8: could have come in with drugs on his person or Nancy,
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Speaker 8: there could have been another client there that had already
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Speaker 8: had drugs. I mean, I've seen it unfold a million times.
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Speaker 8: It's just too early to tell what actually happened. But
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Speaker 8: what I do know is it's extremely sad. And this
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Speaker 8: is more common than you would think.
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Speaker 5: I'm just trying to work out and sauna and take
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Speaker 5: baths and I don't know hopefully find a good community
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Speaker 5: of people making me good influences on me as I've
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Speaker 5: grown up in Hollywood and you know there's a lot
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Speaker 5: of people around that I love to death but right
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Speaker 5: now I uh try not to be around them I
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Speaker 5: want to say uh my last drink though on a
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Speaker 5: good note was on my birthday so I haven't had
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Speaker 5: alcohol in a couple of months, which is dope. That
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Speaker 5: is no longer serving me.
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Speaker 1: That is Presley Gerber's Insta clearly trying to beat his addictions.
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Speaker 1: Clearly trying. And he says, I'm trying to stay away
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Speaker 1: from people. I guess that means that enable him Let's
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Speaker 1: listen to that 911 call one more time.
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Speaker 3: From Engine 1, we're clearing our call.
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Speaker 4: You can dispatch us to.
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Speaker 3: Instead of Engine 7.
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Speaker 5: Engine 7, BLS 2, cardiac arrest.
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Speaker 9: Engine 7, BLS 2. BLS 1, overdose. BLS 1.
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Speaker 5: Engine 1, disregard the stage.
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Speaker 4: Angel One copy, Angel One BLS-1 continuing and upgraded.
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Speaker 1: Joining us is a renowned medical examiner, former pathologist, Dr.
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Speaker 1: Michelle Dupree. She is the author of Money, Mischief, and Murder,
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Speaker 1: The Murdoch Dynasty, the rest of the story, and Homicide
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Speaker 1: Investigation Field Guide.
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Speaker 5: Dr.
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Speaker 1: Dupree, thank you for being with us. Why is it
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Speaker 1: labeled a cardiac arrest if If this was an OD,
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Speaker 1: why is it called cardiac arrest?
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Speaker 10: So a lot of times in ODs, we do have
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Speaker 10: cardiac arrests and respiratory arrests as well. So at the time,
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Speaker 10: they may not know exactly if he's on a substance
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Speaker 10: or not. And to call it an overdose, we really
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Speaker 10: have to verify that or confirm.
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Speaker 7: That with toxicology.
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Speaker 10: And so until that's done, then a cardiac arrest or
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Speaker 10: respiratory arrest would be appropriate.
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Speaker 5: If anyone has to say to me about this or
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Speaker 5: anything else or my family or how I grew up
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Speaker 5: or anything, I will give you my address, I promise,
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Speaker 5: and you can come say it to my face. Getting
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Speaker 5: thrown into the modeling industry, it's like you sink or swim.
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Speaker 5: That's like bottom line. So you just, you're thrown into
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Speaker 5: it and you immediately have to know how everything works.
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Speaker 5: My whole life changed within a month. And like, it
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Speaker 5: was just a very profound experience because I had to
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Speaker 5: grow up quickly. You know, it was a blessing. to
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Speaker 5: do a lot of work. 2017, got model of the year,
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Speaker 5: which was great. And then started, we kept doing some stuff.
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Speaker 5: Around 2019, I started slowing down. I just started getting
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Speaker 5: interested in, my downtime started taking a toll on me.
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Speaker 5: And that's the blessing and the curse behind modeling.
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Speaker 1: That's Presley Gerber's Insta and Studio 22. Okay, Max Minor,
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Speaker 1: I'm not understanding what he's trying to tell me. This
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Speaker 1: is what I do know. You can have all the
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Speaker 1: fame and all the money in the world, but still
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Speaker 1: people have demons. Things make them sad or confused, frustrated, depressed,
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Speaker 1: and he's dead in a rehab. How can that be?
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Speaker 1: And I don't care who poo-poos his problems. Model of
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Speaker 1: the year, a lot of people will go, you don't
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Speaker 1: have any problems, you know, buck up. That's not the
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Speaker 1: way depression is. Depression can hit anybody, whether you're a
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Speaker 1: multimillionaire or street person. This guy clearly was fighting addictions
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Speaker 1: and all sorts of mental ailments, including depression. I just,
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Speaker 1: the fact that he is so young and is left
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Speaker 1: alone and dies in a $ 15, 000 a month facility. Oh, wow.
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Speaker 1: Fur would fly, Max. Fur would fly.
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Speaker 7: Nancy, I get it.
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Speaker 8: Like I said, this is, unfortunately, this is more common
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Speaker 8: than most people, you know, would like to admit. Most people,
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Speaker 8: you know, don't even hear about it, right? In Presley's situation, it's,
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Speaker 8: you know, like you said, it's obviously struggling. And I
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Speaker 8: can see it because, as you know, I'm very familiar
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Speaker 8: with that struggle as well. And what I will say
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Speaker 8: is I will, you know, I'll circle back to what
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Speaker 8: I said earlier. Luxury is not a level of care,
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Speaker 8: and this disease does not discriminate. It is extremely sad
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Speaker 8: what happened. And like I said, investigators need to take
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Speaker 8: a hard look at what that admission process looked like, right?
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Speaker 8: I mean, were there room checks being conducted? You know,
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Speaker 8: you've got someone that's coming brand new into a program
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Speaker 8: that is always a very risky period of time because,
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Speaker 8: you know, you're introducing a new individual into a group
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Speaker 8: of people. That individual is coming from You know, from
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Speaker 8: the street, from the real world, you don't know what
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Speaker 8: they may have on their person. You don't know where
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Speaker 8: they're coming from. You don't know what they're going through. And,
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Speaker 8: you know, there needs to be the appropriate checks and
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Speaker 8: balances in place.
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Speaker 7: And like I said earlier, it's devastating, I feel, for
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Speaker 7: their family.
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Speaker 1: Dave Mack joining us, not only a Crime Stories investigative
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Speaker 1: reporter for many, many years, but friend and colleague. Dave,
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Speaker 1: you have fought a similar battle and you have told
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Speaker 1: me in the past, it is not uncommon for people
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Speaker 1: to patients to show up at sober livings or rehabs
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Speaker 1: or halfway houses under the influence.
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Speaker 3: Happens all the time, Nancy.
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Speaker 9: And that's where responsible rehabs, when you come in there
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Speaker 9: as a patient, you got to realize sometimes people are
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Speaker 9: coming from jail. It's an alternative to going to prison
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Speaker 9: or it's family that have had their fill and they're
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Speaker 9: giving you the option.
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Speaker 3: It's either the street or rehab. And so people oftentimes
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Speaker 3: will show up at rehab to get family off their back.
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Speaker 9: But the first thing you get a physical from a doctor,
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Speaker 9: a psychic valve and a talk screen. And if the
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Speaker 9: individual tests dirty for anything, and by the way, they
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Speaker 9: have to fill out a questionnaire first to determine their
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Speaker 9: level of addiction, what they've gone through, so that as
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Speaker 9: they're being taken in, they know that the facility knows
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Speaker 9: what they're dealing with. If the person requires detox, a
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Speaker 9: lot of rehabs don't provide detox. That will have to
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Speaker 9: be done in a separate facility. But any way you
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Speaker 9: look at it before an addict can begin rehab, they
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Speaker 9: have to be detox, which means get this stuff out
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Speaker 9: of your system because it can be you know what?
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Speaker 3: It can be deathly. Nancy, people die going through detox.
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Speaker 9: It has to be medically supervised and getting medication or
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Speaker 9: getting drugs into a treatment facility.
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Speaker 3: It's the same as getting them anywhere else. They come.
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Speaker 9: People are in there for all types of reasons. But
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Speaker 9: in this place, we're told and the New York Post
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Speaker 9: reported this on page six.
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Speaker 3: That Presley showed up under the influence.
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Speaker 1: You know, it's just, it's amazing to me that if
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Speaker 1: he showed up, if he showed up under the influence
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Speaker 1: of whatever, if he was trying to go through Max
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Speaker 1: Minor Detox, that is painful. I mean, for instance, to
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Speaker 1: get off heroin, you take another drug, methadone, and if
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Speaker 1: you don't get it, it's physically painful and you go
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Speaker 1: out of your mind. Detoxing is painful. And if he
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Speaker 1: was put in a room or on his own to detox,
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Speaker 1: what do you want to do? Go through a lot
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Speaker 1: of pain and suffering or take drugs that somebody gave
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Speaker 1: you or you brought in?
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Speaker 5: I mean, I.
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Speaker 1: Just feel so bad for him and his family, Max.
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Speaker 8: I mean, I, I, you, I second that. And I'll
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Speaker 8: tell you, Nancy, I mean, I went through detox in L.A.
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Speaker 8: County jail for two weeks straight.
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Speaker 7: And you are.
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Speaker 8: Absolutely correct, because guess what? Any instance where someone had
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Speaker 8: drugs in there, I took them. Because as you just stated,
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Speaker 8: you are in it is I wouldn't wish it upon
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Speaker 8: my worst enemy. It is excruciating pain. And you are
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Speaker 8: willing to do whatever you have to do to make
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Speaker 8: that pain go away.
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Speaker 7: Case in point.
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Speaker 5: Right.
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Speaker 8: If somebody has something, you're going to take it. And,
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Speaker 8: you know, a supportive living environment is certainly not the
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Speaker 8: same as a medically supervised detox facility. So it's very clear. And,
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Speaker 8: you know, as they reported on page six that, you know,
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Speaker 8: he showed up under the influence. Now, the determination may
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Speaker 8: have been made that maybe he was not, you know,
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Speaker 8: that he was still under the threshold of what they
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Speaker 8: considered needing medical detox. But it's extremely sad because you
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Speaker 8: have a young man who was very vocal about his struggles,
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Speaker 8: extremely vulnerable. you know, in the public eye, which is
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Speaker 8: always admirable. And now here we are as a result.
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Speaker 8: It's just extremely sad.
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Speaker 1: You know, Dave, the detox procedure, I guess, experience of
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Speaker 1: detox is excruciating. I've dealt with so many people in AA,
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Speaker 1: so many of my witnesses, so many of my defendants,
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Speaker 1: that I would do a plea with them would be
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Speaker 1: going to lockdown detox because you are in such a
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Speaker 1: horrible state. You will do anything to get alcohol or drugs.
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Speaker 1: anything because your body is hurting and you're going out
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Speaker 1: of your mind. It's literally like a monkey on your back,
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Speaker 1: a screaming, clawing monkey you can't get rid of. And
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Speaker 1: if he was going through this, of course he's going
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Speaker 1: to take drugs if he had them in this sober
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Speaker 1: living facility.
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Speaker 3: Well, I'm with you 100%.
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Speaker 9: And Nancy, look, I just passed 36 years sober, okay?
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Speaker 9: And I remember like it was yesterday, going through the
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Speaker 9: detox process.
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Speaker 3: It is, it's got awful.
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Speaker 9: And that's why a lot of people turn to the
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Speaker 9: Ibogaine treatment, you know, that is, it's a means of
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Speaker 9: cutting back on the, or helping you get through the
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Speaker 9: detox period. But based on what we're seeing here with
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Speaker 9: Presley Gerber, it appears he showed up under the influence.
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Speaker 3: And I'm looking at the program.
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Speaker 1: They put him in a room and he died, Dave.
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Speaker 1: There's really no other way to put it. And don't
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Speaker 1: even say, Ibogaine, to me, Ibogaine is outlawed as a
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Speaker 1: treatment in the U.S.
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Speaker 5: Too.
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Speaker 3: Dr.
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Speaker 1: Michelle Dupree joining us, pathologist, former medical examiner, author. Ibogaine,
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Speaker 1: it's a psychedelic drug. And I had a very dear friend,
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Speaker 1: a giant in the cable industry that I happened to
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Speaker 1: meet when I launched a show with Johnny Cochran, a
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Speaker 1: great guy. who was all vegan, a health freak, you
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Speaker 1: name it. When I would eat like peanuts on a plane,
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Speaker 1: he brought lettuce in a bag and ate it as
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Speaker 1: his snack. Totally devoted to clean, healthy living, but he
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Speaker 1: tried a psychedelic treatment for emotional questions he had about
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Speaker 1: his upbringing. That was it. He had no drug problem,
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Speaker 1: no alcohol problem, wouldn't drink, wouldn't do drugs, He did
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Speaker 1: the psychedelic treatment and he ended up dead. in the
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Speaker 1: San Francisco Bay with his car parked nearby. That's what
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Speaker 1: I know about psychedelic treatments is that Bob Seafield is
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Speaker 1: dead after psychedelic treatments. What is Ibogaine?
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Speaker 10: Well, Nancy, this is a good question. And I think
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Speaker 10: that we need to understand that the idea or the
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Speaker 10: mechanism behind Ibucaine is that it does flood the brain
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Speaker 10: receptors for this. And the idea, it's kind of like
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Speaker 10: immersion therapy.
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Speaker 3: Okay.
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Speaker 10: I'm not saying I condone.
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Speaker 3: It by any means.
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Speaker 10: And I totally agree with what everybody has said so far,
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Speaker 10: but the idea is that you flood these receptors in
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Speaker 10: the brain with this and it does an immediate reset
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Speaker 10: or repair of the brain. And that then helps you
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Speaker 10: through your dependency and actually get off of it and
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Speaker 10: sort of change the brain's mind about how and why
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Speaker 10: you're dependent on drugs. Obviously, this didn't work this time.
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Speaker 10: And it is controversial. And it is not approved for
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Speaker 10: treatment in the United States.
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Speaker 1: It is in Mexico. What am I seeing? Wait, wait. Michelle.
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Speaker 1: Max Minor, look at your screen. This is part of
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Speaker 1: his treatment in Mexico?
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Speaker 6: Really?
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Speaker 1: Why don't they just wave a chicken claw over his head?
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Speaker 1: What is this? Help me, Max.
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Speaker 7: Well, you know, I'm pretty sure that's part of the
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Speaker 7: Ibogaine ritual. From my understanding is that, you know, first
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Speaker 7: and foremost, it's extremely gnarly.
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Speaker 8: I mean, you want to talk about being catapulted into
21:21
Speaker 8: an alternate universe. You are literally in a different reality.
21:26
Speaker 8: Not only that, you know, you have to be closely monitored. Again,
21:29
Speaker 8: as I understand it, I have friends who have done it.
21:32
Speaker 8: You know, you're vomiting nonstop. Affixiation on your own vomit
21:37
Speaker 8: is a very real threat. It's supposed to be performed by,
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Speaker 8: you know, a spiritual, like a shaman. So maybe that's
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Speaker 8: what you're seeing on the screen here.
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Speaker 5: Stop.
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Speaker 1: Did you just say a shaman? Let me see him.
21:51
Speaker 1: Did you fix yourself to say a shaman? What's a shaman?
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Speaker 1: Is a shaman a medical doctor like Dupree? If the
22:02
Speaker 1: answer is no, I don't want to hear a shaman.
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Speaker 1: This kid is dead. Shaman, my rear end. Now this
22:10
Speaker 1: Ibogaine treatment happened in Mexico, not at resolution. It is
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Speaker 1: a psychedelic treatment.
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Speaker 3: Shaman. Okay.
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Speaker 1: Philip Dubé is, I'm going to circle back to Max
22:27
Speaker 1: and Dr. Michelle to hear more on Ibogaine. I wish
22:30
Speaker 1: I never heard the word. Philip Dubé is a veteran
22:34
Speaker 1: trial lawyer. Philip, there's going to be hell to pay.
22:41
Speaker 1: Cindy Crawford's son goes into sober living rehab, ends up
22:47
Speaker 1: dead in his room. He dies of cardiac arrest. Jump in,
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Speaker 1: I began.
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Speaker 6: Well, first of all, there's a big difference between being
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Speaker 6: in a rehabilitative center and a sober living facility in California.
23:04
Speaker 6: When you're in a sober living facility, it's like checking
23:08
Speaker 6: into the Holiday Inn, frankly. It's just peer support. The
23:12
Speaker 6: only licensure they're required to follow is paying city taxes
23:16
Speaker 6: to operate a business, parking restrictions, and occupancy headcount. That's
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Speaker 6: pretty much it. It is not under lock and key.
23:25
Speaker 6: And the only thing that's really required is to sign
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Speaker 6: a contract that you'll follow certain house rules and pay
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Speaker 6: a fee. And in exchange, you get a roof over
23:35
Speaker 6: your head. And depending on where it is, it could
23:37
Speaker 6: be a luxury roof, continental breakfast, lunch and dinner. And
23:42
Speaker 6: then you agree to follow the house rules, namely not
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Speaker 6: to get high or under the influence. If you break
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Speaker 6: those rules, the remedy is you get kicked out and
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Speaker 6: they literally just terminate and repudiate the contract. Contrast that, though,
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Speaker 6: with a licensed rehabilitative center where they are regulated under
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Speaker 6: Title IX of the California Code of Regulations, where they
24:05
Speaker 6: provide a treatment regimen. They have credentialed staff. They take
24:10
Speaker 6: you off-site to therapy. They receive your medication. They have
24:14
Speaker 6: staff to help dispense it. And they also do administrative
24:18
Speaker 6: searches and checks of your room. your belongings to make
24:23
Speaker 6: sure that nothing illegal or illicit is smuggled in. So
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Speaker 6: I think what happened to young Presley here is he
24:30
Speaker 6: checked into the wrong type of facility. He needed inpatient
24:34
Speaker 6: treatment before he went to a recovery house.
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Speaker 1: Can I touch back on Ibogaine? Now Ibogaine is not
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Speaker 1: what he encountered at resolutions. This is what is illegal here.
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Speaker 1: as a treatment in the U S and he had
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Speaker 1: this psychedelic treatment. Oh, there we go. In Mexico, before
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Speaker 1: he lands at resolution, listen to this.
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Speaker 11: Most guests move through a very deep and emotional process.
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Speaker 11: Sometimes revisiting past memories, very impactful moments in life trauma,
25:13
Speaker 11: or making very significant shifts. obtaining new insights, all of
25:18
Speaker 11: these things, very impactful, very important. This is the reason
25:21
Speaker 11: as to why we create a safe space that allows
25:26
Speaker 11: you to go deep, that allows you to do that
25:29
Speaker 11: inner work without having to feel that you have to
25:32
Speaker 11: hold on to any of the control. We're here to
25:35
Speaker 11: take care of all of your human needs so that
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Speaker 11: you can truly go, be curious, and explore in that
25:41
Speaker 11: Ibogaine realm.
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Speaker 1: That is from Beyond Ibogaine. on YouTube, Dr. Michelle Dupree,
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Speaker 1: it sounds like she just described a psychedelic trip. I've
25:52
Speaker 1: heard defendants talk like that when they've been high on LSD.
25:56
Speaker 1: That's what that just sounded like. Yes, Nancy, it does.
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Speaker 10: And it is a psychedelic drug. In lower doses, I mean,
26:03
Speaker 10: it's been used supposedly to treat things like PTSD and
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Speaker 10: substance abuse and supposedly lowers your cravings and things like that.
26:10
Speaker 10: But it is a psychedelic drug. And in higher doses,
26:14
Speaker 10: We see what happens, absolutely.
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Speaker 1: I just don't see how can that be good for you?
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Speaker 7: It isn't.
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Speaker 11: Ibogaine treatment or the journey usually begins around seven o'clock
26:24
Speaker 11: in the morning. You will be taking the pills at
26:27
Speaker 11: this time. It'll take anywhere from 20 minutes to an
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Speaker 11: hour for you to start feeling these effects. The journey
26:35
Speaker 11: begins at seven o'clock in the morning and it will
26:38
Speaker 11: typically end around five, 7 p.m. in the evening. After this,
26:42
Speaker 11: you leave the treatment room and the nurses accompany.
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Speaker 1: You back to the recovery room.
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Speaker 11: Or if you're staying here at the White House, back
26:50
Speaker 11: to your own room where you will be able to
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Speaker 11: get some rest, continue to draw, journal if necessary.
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Speaker 1: Okay, listen to this.
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Speaker 11: Ibogaine treatment usually has two phases. The first phase is
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Speaker 11: typically called the visionary phase, but it's not always only
27:07
Speaker 11: about the visions. This is the phase where the psychedelic
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Speaker 11: effects are mainly present. Usually it can last from two
27:13
Speaker 11: to six hours. During this phase, you will get quite ataxic.
27:17
Speaker 11: Ataxia basically means that your coordination is going to be
27:21
Speaker 11: quite compromised. This is why your nurse is here at
27:25
Speaker 11: the foot of your bed.
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Speaker 1: Max, the visionary phase?
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Speaker 5: Uh-huh.
27:33
Speaker 6: Yeah.
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Speaker 1: You got to say more than uh-huh.
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Speaker 8: No, I mean, Nancy, I've had friends who have done,
27:37
Speaker 8: I'm telling you, like, I think that, I think visionary
27:40
Speaker 8: phase is a little bit of an understatement. Like I've said,
27:43
Speaker 8: I mean, you are catapulted into an alternate reality. And,
27:48
Speaker 8: you know, I've seen it be successful with some of,
27:51
Speaker 8: you know, the people I've worked with, my friends, but
27:54
Speaker 8: I've only really seen it be really successful in cases where,
27:58
Speaker 8: They were, you know, in opiate, you know, trying to
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Speaker 8: tackle like an opiate, like a heroin addiction.
28:04
Speaker 1: It sounds like peyote.
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Speaker 8: I mean, the experience is similar. And I'm telling you,
28:10
Speaker 8: it is not for the faint heart. That experience in
28:12
Speaker 8: and of itself can do some damage.
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Speaker 1: Okay. I don't know why we're even suggesting that was
28:19
Speaker 1: a good thing for him. Let me get back to
28:22
Speaker 1: Jessica Finn, senior investigative reporter, U.S. Sun. This guy had
28:31
Speaker 1: been through so much, and I know it's easy for
28:34
Speaker 1: people to say, oh, he's Cindy Crawford's son. He's got
28:38
Speaker 1: millions at his disposal. He's model of the year, yet
28:41
Speaker 1: he's depressed. No, you can tell by him talking that
28:48
Speaker 1: he really is troubled.
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Speaker 4: Presley was so clearly struggling with it. And he was
28:54
Speaker 4: so completely vulnerable about his addiction and his journey to
28:58
Speaker 4: try and get rid of these monkeys on his back, essentially.
29:02
Speaker 4: And he'd been working towards it for many years. And
29:05
Speaker 4: it makes it so much more crushing to hear that
29:07
Speaker 4: he went into this facility on Saturday night and likely,
29:12
Speaker 4: according to sources, inebriated. And so he shows up at
29:16
Speaker 4: this facility, allegedly inebriated. And then he wakes up the
29:20
Speaker 4: following morning He doesn't work, maybe he doesn't wake up
29:23
Speaker 4: the following morning, but the next morning he's dead after
29:26
Speaker 4: suffering an apparent overdose. And we already know that on
29:30
Speaker 4: top of this Ibogaine therapy he had done several months ago,
29:33
Speaker 4: that he was taking a cocktail of prescription medication. He
29:37
Speaker 4: had been open about this last year. He had talked
29:40
Speaker 4: about how he was on Valium. He was on Xanax
29:43
Speaker 4: for anxiety issues. He was taking ketamine in 2025. So
29:49
Speaker 4: it wasn't just this Ibogaine therapy that's kind of this
29:53
Speaker 4: outlier in the medical community. And he was also on bupreparine.
29:58
Speaker 4: I'm not going to try and pronounce that adequately, but
30:00
Speaker 4: it was like an antipsychotic kind of situation. So he
30:03
Speaker 4: had already been on a cocktail of different prescriptions that
30:07
Speaker 4: were given to him. And then he was doing these
30:09
Speaker 4: other alternative therapy treatments. So we don't know what he
30:13
Speaker 4: was walking into that facility with when he was allegedly
30:17
Speaker 4: not sober. And if he was also on these other
30:20
Speaker 4: medications that were prescribed to him. And so this guy,
30:23
Speaker 4: you know, was just really looking for help and in
30:26
Speaker 4: desperation looking for help. He checks himself into a really
30:29
Speaker 4: upscale treatment facility and he dies overnight.
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Speaker 6: It's unconscionable.
30:35
Speaker 5: If anyone has to say to me about this or
30:38
Speaker 5: anything else or my family or how I grew up
30:41
Speaker 5: or anything, I will give you my address. I promise.
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Speaker 7: And you can come say it to my face.
30:48
Speaker 5: Mental health is a huge thing right now in the world.
30:52
Speaker 5: So for me, and having struggled with mental health, depression,
30:57
Speaker 5: and some other things that come along with that, I
31:00
Speaker 5: think that whether I help one person or 100 people
31:03
Speaker 5: get out of that place that I was in at
31:05
Speaker 5: one point in my life, that's all I need to do.
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Speaker 1: That's Presley Gerbaugh on Insta and Studio 22. There he
31:11
Speaker 1: is trying to help other people help them beat their
31:16
Speaker 1: addictions while he dies in a sober living facility. He
31:22
Speaker 1: had been prescribed so many drugs. No wonder he was
31:28
Speaker 1: out of his mind.
31:29
Speaker 5: Long story short, I'm on one milligram of buprenorphine twice
31:33
Speaker 5: a day, morning and night, sometimes a little more if
31:35
Speaker 5: I need it. The benzos have been fluctuating up and
31:40
Speaker 5: down depending on what's been going on in my life.
31:43
Speaker 7: Unfortunately, I've had a lot of loss.
31:49
Speaker 5: In many different forms recently, so that is not an excuse,
31:55
Speaker 5: but it's the reason or a part of why I
31:58
Speaker 5: am where I'm at now. So, it's that, which is
32:02
Speaker 5: a partial agonist, opiate, buprenorphine, then the benzos, Xanax, a
32:12
Speaker 5: little bit at night, or when the panic attacks are really,
32:15
Speaker 5: really bad, I try to take as little of that
32:18
Speaker 5: as possible, The Valium, I take a little bit in
32:23
Speaker 5: the morning. I don't know if it's a little or
32:25
Speaker 5: a lot. Who knows anymore? All these doctors say a
32:28
Speaker 5: lot of different things. So it's kind of scary. But
32:32
Speaker 5: hopefully between my research and their research and the world
32:37
Speaker 5: and God, we can figure this out.
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Speaker 1: Didn't get figured out in time. Presley is dead. That's
32:46
Speaker 1: from his Insta. Dr. Michelle Dupree said, Did you hear
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Speaker 1: all those drugs he had been given by medical doctors? Benzos, Xanax, Valium.
32:59
Speaker 1: I just, I don't know. He was a lamb to
33:02
Speaker 1: the slaughter.
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Speaker 10: Nancy, anytime someone is taking that many drugs, you don't
33:06
Speaker 10: know all of the interactions. And some are synergistic.
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Speaker 6: They actually increase the effects.
33:11
Speaker 10: Some are counteractive. And there's no telling. I mean, there's
33:14
Speaker 10: just no telling. Somebody needs to supervise his medications. There's
33:19
Speaker 10: no reason to have so many drugs. And he didn't
33:21
Speaker 10: even know everything he was taking.
33:23
Speaker 6: It's tragic.
33:24
Speaker 1: You know, Max Minor, who is the president and CEO
33:27
Speaker 1: of Executive Treatment Solutions, I know many people are saying,
33:33
Speaker 1: he's a spool brat, high on drugs, he's dead. And
33:36
Speaker 1: they can say that. But when I look at him,
33:39
Speaker 1: I see somebody's son, somebody's brother that is so messed
33:45
Speaker 1: up and really trying to get better. And he goes
33:49
Speaker 1: into this $ 8 million facility to die? You know he
33:56
Speaker 1: had to enter that facility with good intentions. He could
34:00
Speaker 1: have just sat in his car and shot up. But
34:02
Speaker 1: he tried. He tried.
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Speaker 5: I know he.
34:08
Speaker 1: Had all sorts of advantages. But I think he's a victim.
34:13
Speaker 1: I think he is a victim, just like the dope
34:15
Speaker 1: addicts you pass under the bridge on the interstate.
34:21
Speaker 8: Well, I mean, like I said earlier, Nancy, the disease
34:24
Speaker 8: does not discriminate. And for someone that has been as
34:28
Speaker 8: vocal as he is, and like I said earlier, as
34:30
Speaker 8: vulnerable as he's been about his struggles, it is certainly
34:34
Speaker 8: devastating and very sad to see that although he may
34:38
Speaker 8: have entered the facility or he did enter the facility
34:42
Speaker 8: under the influence, the simple fact that he was there
34:45
Speaker 8: and present is pretty indicative that he was seeking help.
34:50
Speaker 7: So it's devastating.
34:52
Speaker 8: It's extremely sad, and especially for someone that was actively
34:56
Speaker 8: trying to get better.
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Speaker 1: Okay, Philip Dubé, to you, somebody's going to get sued
35:03
Speaker 1: if not prosecuted criminally.
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Speaker 6: Well, it better not be resolutions because, frankly, I don't
35:11
Speaker 6: think they did anything criminal. All they did maybe was
35:14
Speaker 6: breach a contract.
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Speaker 7: Seriously.
35:17
Speaker 6: I mean, if this young man entered into an agreement
35:19
Speaker 6: to go there just for sober living, and that's what
35:22
Speaker 6: they provided him, a place to just recover. And the
35:26
Speaker 6: house rules say you are not to smuggle in drugs
35:29
Speaker 6: and you do it, you do it at your own peril.
35:32
Speaker 6: Now you contrast that with like a lockdown psychiatric setting,
35:36
Speaker 6: such as an involuntary hold, or when you go into
35:39
Speaker 6: a regulated rehabilitation center, then different rules apply. Unless and
35:45
Speaker 6: until that sober living facility was on notice that he
35:50
Speaker 6: had the drugs that he was abusing at that moment
35:53
Speaker 6: in time, to be fair to them, they were not negligent.
35:56
Speaker 6: What else could they have done? Seriously?
35:59
Speaker 1: I'm just a trial lawyer calling it like I see it.
36:03
Speaker 1: But you say they had no liability. Oh, well, that
36:06
Speaker 1: ends it. Case closed. We'll see about that. If you
36:09
Speaker 1: know or think you know anything regarding the death of
36:12
Speaker 1: this young man, dial 310-458-8491. We remember American hero Lieutenant
36:22
Speaker 1: Chad Brackman, Maricopa County Sheriff's, killed in the line of
36:26
Speaker 1: duty and leaving behind a wife, Melissa, and children, Skyler, Hunter, Scott,
36:34
Speaker 1: and Britton. American hero Lieutenant Chad Brackman. Thank you to
36:40
Speaker 1: our guests, but especially to you for being with us tonight.
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Speaker 1: Nancy Grace signing off for tonight. But I'll see you
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Speaker 1: tomorrow night. And until then, good night, friend.