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Inside The World Of Osi And The Jupiter (feat. Sean Kratz) [RHR S7, EP02] · Random Heathen Ramblings

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We are kicking off this show with a very special guest we're
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going to be bringing on stage here very shortly.
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So check out the description or show notes for all the ways that
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you can find out more about who we have coming on the show this
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week. And without further ado, very
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happy to introduce to you all if you probably have maybe have
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heard of him before, at least heard of his work before.
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But we've got Sean here from the, I guess kind of like a a
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Pagan folk band, as we might call him OC and the Jupiter.
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So welcome to the podcast, Sean, and thanks for being here, man.
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You got it. Yeah, yeah, I got it.
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Yeah, There it is. How's it going?
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Yeah, I was trying to click it on my phone and be like, what's
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going on here? How do I work?
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This Yeah, Man, it's great to have you here.
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I know we we initially had plans on getting you into this into,
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into the show towards the end of season 6.
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But as life happens and things are going on with between
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holidays and, and, and projects and just life in general, we, we
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were finally able to get you on here to, to welcome in season 7.
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So I'm excited to, to get to know a little bit more about you
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and hopefully the listeners and the viewers that aren't familiar
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with you and what you do, give them some, some some insight
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into what we're talking about here.
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So I'm excited. Yeah, I'm excited to, you know,
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talk with you so. You're, you're up in Ohio, I
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believe, right? Yeah, yeah, I'm in Kent.
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It's I'm right by about 15 minutes from Akron.
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Yep. And about an hour from
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Cleveland. Like South from Cleveland.
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OK, so yeah, that's, I used to go all over the Midwest for a, a
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job that I had years, years ago, just all over the country.
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And Ohio was one of those places where nothing, not a whole lot
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going on really in, in terms of anything.
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I think the the biggest claim to fame is like, what is it the The
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Rock'n'roll Rock and Roll Hall of Fame?
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Yeah, I don't think we should have that, but it it's cool
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here. But I mean, Rock'n'roll didn't
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start here. True.
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Yeah, it was a weird, it's a weird place to just slap in the
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middle of the of, of the, of the of the Midwest there.
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It's a really cool spot though, like how they have a lot of cool
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memorabilia and all that other stuff.
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But I mean for its being in Cleveland, I just think it's
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weird, you know? I think Rock'n'roll started from
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all the people in Louisiana and all those Blues guys.
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Yeah, Yep. So yeah, the, the, the heart of
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rock'n'roll is in the Blues, I say.
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Or the the soul, Yeah. Something like that, right?
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Yeah, but you're a musician, clearly.
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Obviously we're going to be talking a bit about, I mentioned
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before OC and the Jupiter. They're not, you're not rock,
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but you guys rock out. I would say, you know, your,
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your, your sound definitely invokes a lot of emotion, which
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we're going to be talking a bit about, but in a different way,
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not as, you know, just like head banging, but just other visceral
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feelings and visceral emotions. So I know a lot of my audience,
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you know, they're Pagan or or heathen, you know, so they, they
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they are into that alternative religious, you know, views of
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things, how they view the world and, and their connection with
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nature and all that. But for those that maybe are new
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to OC and the Jupiter, how did it?
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How did how did the this project this this band, if you will, or
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this this this vision? How did it come into to being
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like? What were some of the defining
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moments that brought this whole project together?
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Well, I had AI, had a bunch of wrists and acoustic stuff that
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I've played throughout the years, even since I was 18.
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I just learned how to play things a lot better, you know,
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even younger than that. But I mean, I'm 43 now.
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I'm about to be 44. Oh, OK.
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But over so long, like, I just had stuff I played for me.
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I was in numerous metal bands. I fronted death metal bands,
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really. And, and yeah, I, I was in a
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hardcore band. Like in 2001, the first band I
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was in that played out was a death metal band that I was in a
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hardcore band. Then I was in like another death
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metal band. That was, yeah, that rate in the
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rising of deathcore, but we weren't really deathcore, but we
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played with deathcore bands. Yeah, that that whole like genre
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bleed over, like a lot of shows that I've been through over the
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years that they'll, they'll throw deathcore in with death
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metal and you know, it, it I guess it opens up a new
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audience. But they, they, they play well
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together. They play nice enough together,
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right? Yeah.
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And then around 2008, I, you know, I started doing more black
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metal stuff. Like I've been in the black
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metal since I was like since 96, ever since I heard Wolf Larivist
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by Mayhem. Sure, that's the first one.
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And there is a, an ancient record that I got into.
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Those are two first. I always wanted to do something
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like that. But no, he's like, I don't want
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to do that stuff. I wanted to play something
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brutal. Yeah.
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I was just like. And I got an Enslaved and all
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those other bands and a big Celtic Frost fan too.
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But I mean I. Was this in Ohio, by the way?
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Like, was all this going on? In Ohio, all this stuff was in
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Ohio and I, I used to play a bass and sing in a band called
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Burial Earth, which they're still doing stuff.
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They have a bassist and a singer now, so and and yeah, I guess I
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actually was still in Burial Oath when I was in doing OC up
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until like a couple years ago. Oh wow, so recently, huh?
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Yeah, like about two 2 1/2 years ago I left, you know, but I I
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still had one man projects like I had my funeral new project
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that I've been in since 2010. I'm still kind of in my my one
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like Stoner doom project called Witch Hum.
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I kind of write everything for that.
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But I have other guys in there that we play out with.
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But it's been like 5 years. But we also hang out and.
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You're you're speaking my language.
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You know, dude, I, I I've I've been in the battle head for
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longer than I've been to heathen and funny enough, like IA good
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friend of mine is also in a kind of Nordic folk project that but
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he has his background in death metal and and black metal
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projects. The the the current thing that
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he's doing. It's a it's a one man studio
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project, but he also performs live with it.
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It's called Skogermore Zeb yeah, you might know I don't know Zeb
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is Zeb Croom is is the guy. But anyway, he, he's, he started
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out and that's how I found him. Like I, I became friends with
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him through another musical project that he was in that was
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more black metal. But he's been doing music
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himself for I don't know how long, but it's been a while.
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So it's interesting. The origins of OC and the
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Jupiter, which is totally different than black metal or
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metal in it at all, started for you as a musician in the more
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extreme music. Yeah.
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That's right. But it's always like, I've
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always had fun playing music. No matter what, I have fun doing
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it. But I wanted something that kind
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of went from the heart. And I never had a name for it.
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And I recorded the first record and I at first I just named it
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Osiris, like after OC. And I was just like, no OC and
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the, like OC and the Jupiter. It's OC and Jupiter.
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Yeah. And they, you know, they're no
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longer with us. Jupiter passed a couple years
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ago and OC passed like 3. So I still have, I still have my
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last German Shepherd. She's 6.
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But yeah, Jolene named after Dolly Parton song.
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But for people that maybe just aren't, you know, catching up
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with this, it's clear that, you know, if you go to OC and the
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Jupiter's Facebook page, you can learn a little bit more about
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what, what Sean's talking about these were.
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So Osiris or OC and Jupiter were both German Shepherds and the
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the the namesake of of your musical project.
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OOC was as big as I. I'm pretty sure they had wolf in
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them. I got them from the breeder
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Jolene's Love Amish bread puppy mill dog that I didn't want to
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get but I wanted to get. She kind of picked me but yeah.
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I don't like malls with pet stores, but I ended up going in
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one with my ex and I, you know, I literally wanted to let every
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single animal out of the place. I was kind of mad, but I, I
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ended up getting her out of the mall.
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So so. Well it's cool man, like cuz the
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name itself, when you when you realize that OC is just short
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for Osiris a a Egyptian deity and Jupiter of course say a
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Roman figurehead, you know these names evoke very ancient and
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sort of celestial imagery. There's a there's the three,
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there's Osiris, Apollo, Odin. Yeah.
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Which I think are have I've always seen a connection with
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all of them, like the death, the life, the travel, you know, the
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all the all saying I not Mordor. I was just watching Lord of the
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Rings with the family upstairs. Yeah, dude.
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Oh, it's and Speaking of right, not to get off subject because
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we you mentioned Lord of the Rings.
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I almost have to say, did you, did you?
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Are you aware that they are doing the 25th year anniversary
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re release in theaters and it's the extended edition?
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I did not know that, but I I heard about the Gollum thing
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they're doing about the back story or whatever about Gollum.
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Yeah, yeah, I'm kind of keen on that.
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I know Elijah Wood is being recast as Frodo and I believe
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Ian. Sir Ian McKellen is also
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reprising his role as Gandalf. Nice.
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Viggo Mortensen not going to be part of it, which I mean, the
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the man is as old as Ian was at the time that the Fellowship was
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filmed 25 years ago. So it's kind of hard to to put
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man it's. Been that long?
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It has dude, that's what I'm saying.
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I like when they when they announce that they're doing a
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25th year anniversary re release with the extended edition.
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I'm like, hold on, wait, what 'cause I just turned 40 last
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year? And.
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I'm like, I was that I was, I was, you know, 18, whatever the
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hell, you know, when, when the thing came out or yeah, no, 15
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was I, I turned 16 that year that it came out.
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Yeah, I saw Audrey in the theater.
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I, I, I remember when they came out, I was so stoked 'cause I
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grew up on The Hobbit cartoon and and the yeah Lord of the
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Ring cartoon in the 80s. Yes, I remember renting that
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movie The Hobbit. I remember 'cause you know, this
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is, I was a kid in the 90s, so everything was VHS, if you
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could, you know, watch anything. And yeah, I remember my mom
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taking us to the, to the Public Library and we would, we would
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check out that, that, that movie every so often and, and watch it
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like on a weekend or whatever. And then she had a book, she
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had, she had a, a, a, a printed book of The Hobbit that was a
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bunch of the illustrations from that cartoon.
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So. That's wicked.
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Yeah, man. But yeah, it's so cool to hear.
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Like, you know, this, this band name OC in the Jupiter evokes
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these ancient sort of celestial imagery.
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Whereas for you, there's maybe some of that, but it's also more
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close, close to your heart because they were your your
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companions. Yeah.
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Yeah, they were, yeah. They still are.
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It's just, you know. Yeah, yeah.
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So do you like maybe people don't know or, or, or a little
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bit about you as a person, but obviously the music, it has a
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lot to do with, you know, nature and connection with spirit.
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And you just mentioned something that, you know, even though
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they've passed, they're still a companion.
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Would you like to talk a little bit about how you feel with
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regards to, you know, death and, and that transition and how our
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loved ones, whether they be animal or human, continue with
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us? Like what's your take on that?
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What's your kind of view on that sort of thing?
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Well. Like any human, like I still
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mourn. Like it's been three years since
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OC passed and I still mourn here and there.
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I have moments. My girlfriend lost her cat like
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a couple years ago when I and I was around during it and I and
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she still has moments too. You know what I mean?
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It's been a few years and it's still, you know, Well, no, it's
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been a a little over a year. Sorry, not two years.
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It's been a little over a year, so it's still kind of fresh.
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But yeah, there's a they every once in a while they'll appear
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in my dreams, you know, And it's usually when it's in the weird,
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it's, you can't, you know, make your dreams dream whatever, you
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know. And your dreams are your
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subconscious and your inner spirit telling you different
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things in different ways. And sometimes it's a puzzle and
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you don't understand it. Sometimes there's a way to think
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about stuff. I look up some indigenous stuff
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too, to interpret some dream stuff as well.
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Like I there's lots of things to look up.
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It's where as human beings and spiritual components, I don't
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we're, our minds aren't capable to think in a universal
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component. But we could only, you know,
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give forth what kind of magically gift forth by our
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will. I kind of mambled a little bit.
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That makes sense. I kind of went off the OC thing
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to that That's. What the show's about, man,
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It's, it's random, even ramblings.
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But yeah, I get what you're trying to say though.
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It's, you know, there's in with, with regards to dreams, you
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know, I, I can relate to some of what you're saying because I've
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had those definite what I could only define as visits from
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spirit or visions that can only be given through our
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subconscious sleep state, you know, and sure, it could all be
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rationalized the way or a lot of it could be rationalized the
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way. I've had somebody on this show
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before who is a philosopher, a student.
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He's he's written books about dreams and, and interpreting
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dreams. He kind of goes by the title The
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Dream Wizard because he'll you. Should send me his stuff so I
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can. Address OK, yeah, yeah, I'll
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definitely 'cause he he he has like a clientele, you know,
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that, that he'll work with or whatever.
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But I've, I've, I've had him on he he he had one, he had a, a
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show himself. I don't know if he still does,
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but we we exchanged like I had him on my show and then he had
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me on his. But I told him about, you know,
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a couple of dreams that I'd had and he I wouldn't say like gave
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me all the answers, but he definitely helped kind of form a
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something to make sense of what I was dreaming about.
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Because, you know, a lot of times we, we come into these or
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we come out of these experiences with more questions than
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answers. So I do have something that's
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been sticking in my head the past two months ago, maybe a
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little more. Like I had this dream.
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I was in the water. The water was really blue.
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Like I could kind of see through it, but I was kind of just
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floating in the water, like. But I saw Jupiter like swimming
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near the shoreline. It wasn't too far.
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It seemed like it was like 20 feet away.
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And he got out and it seemed like he was with, you know,
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people there that seemed like, familiar to me, but I couldn't
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remember who they were, but they seemed familiar, like human
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beings. And I just just people and like,
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not a bunch, but like maybe a handful of people.
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And they were just playing with them.
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And it kind of made me happy. But it, I, I still was like, I
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don't understand what's going on.
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And the sky looked really pretty, you know, kind of like
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that orange displays with some Blues.
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And there was. Like a sunset.
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Yeah, and there's like rock formations like behind it was, I
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don't know what I was watching that night or whatever that.
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I mean, maybe it wasn't that. Yeah, that, and that's the
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that's like the wild thing about with our dreams is, is how much
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of what we dreaming is, you know, from the previous
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experiences that we had or a memory that gets retained and
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then gets manifested through our subconscious state.
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And, and how much of that gets woven into, you know, messages
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from spirit or, or, or from those, those unseen, you know,
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places. And a lot of what, you know, my
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dreams have been seen, as I would say maybe a lot.
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But what, what some dreams have been seen for me as is I'll take
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what details come to me in those dreams and try to understand, is
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there a meaning to this? But I'll, but I'll focus on the
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details. So like, you know, with, with
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your dream, as it were, like if you're so you're in, you know,
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the water's very blue, right? OK, well, what is what
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significance does blue water have?
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Yeah, tranquil, right? That's tranquil.
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Yeah, that's how I looked at it. And was it like a, you know, was
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it like a lagoon off of the ocean or was it like some kind
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of like Appalachian backwoods puddle like in the mountains or,
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you know, like the location of it can seem it?
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Seemed like it was off the ocean.
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Yeah. Some sort of island, but it had
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mountains off the land but in the back.
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Yeah. And then even like the colors of
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it, like so you mentioned like colors in the sky.
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So was it like, you know, these were like questions that I would
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ask myself was like, oh, do I remember that being like the
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colors of the sky? Was it at the dawn or was it at
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dusk? Right beginning of the day,
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evening or end of the day. And the timing of things in our
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dreams can maybe sometimes help like us bring those details
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like, oh, that's at the beginning of something or it's
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at the end of something. And then also, who else was
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there right when you saw a familiar?
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Presence You saw OC and he was happy.
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It was a he right? Obviously.
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No it was juppy. I didn't see OC like OC usually
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just appears just like he's guiding me somewhere.
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Right, right, right. Or he's just saying hi.
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Juppies done it a couple times, but that was the one where he
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was just saying it felt like he was saying everything was all
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right. Just enjoying himself really
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kind of being. Seemed like he was telling me
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everything's all right. And then it seemed like the
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people there that seemed familiar, maybe they're people
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I've known in the past that passed away or just like, maybe
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different entities. Yeah, I know.
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But it's all very, it's, I mean the intricacy that one could go
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into with, with dream analogies or dream interpretations.
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I've had dreams like that too, where the people in them I
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couldn't necessarily place by face or even the name, like they
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didn't look familiar or, or carry a name or an identity that
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I could recognize out of my dream.
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However they felt safe could be like, you know, the
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manifestation of an ancestor or ancestral spirits that even
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though you don't know them, they know you.
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And they come to us in these ways in a calming, sort of
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comforting presence that. Yeah.
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I mean, who, you know, I don't know.
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I'm not the interpreter of the dream, but I'm just saying like,
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these are things that come through my mind when I'm having,
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when those moments happen that can really shed some light, you
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know, on and all. But so much of the music.
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I obviously, you know, we talked a bit about that with your kind
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of evolution as a musician over the years.
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You know, you were into music and then you got into extreme
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music and now you're at this place where it's a bit more,
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it's intense, but not like in a, in a black metal, right?
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The the, the emotions that we were that I was saying before
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it, it, it, it evokes a lot of or I would say that it invokes a
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lot of like longing or loss and rebirth.
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Like there's this, that kind of thing.
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So what what? What kind of brought you to that
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place in your musical evolution or your journey to feel so like
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this was the right place for you to be?
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So I started OC in the Jupiter just for my like, for myself.
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It was the spiritual journey. But I mean, it was also more of
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a, you know, these are the things I've written over the
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years that I just kind of revamped to play better.
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And then I I wrote the first album, Halls of the Wolf, that
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that one doesn't have Chris on cello.
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It's just me doing that, like everything.
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And then I brought Chris on for the next one when we got signed
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for to Eisenwald and based out of Germany.
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And yeah. And then it's just it's a
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connection to nature, but also speaking to like it's like
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speaking to something through music spiritually and nature
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that empowers this your yourself to do things for yourself.
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Oh wow, right. And do do things the better the
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world too, Like we're all living in a like not like the US is
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like we're it's a pretty messed up time, right?
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Now it is and, you know, and just, I mean, and I'm and I'm
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very open and very real with anybody else.
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It's, it's, you know, this is a messed up time.
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It, it's a crazy time to be alive.
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It's, and it's a lot of things are messed up.
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So it can really put a strain on our mental health, our spiritual
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health, our physical health, everything.
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Well, I mean, capitalism does that.
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Yeah. Straight up, right?
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I mean it's. How it's designed, you know,
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like. Yeah, it's the machine.
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Yeah, that's the that's the punk background in me so.
24:50
I hear you, man. I listen.
24:52
I hear you. It's you can't avoid it.
24:53
Like when you see these things happening and it it's, you know,
24:59
it's hard to be passive. Yeah, we got to stick to we, we,
25:03
we got to stick together. That's just what it is.
25:05
And it's hard because the media is trying to separate everybody.
25:09
Yeah. And they're, they're trying to
25:14
make us enslaved. They're trying to put us in the
25:17
more consumerism, so they enslave us more.
25:20
Oh yeah. I could go on forever.
25:25
I don't like talking politics, but I I, I don't.
25:31
But I mean, I will. Well, I shouldn't say I don't
25:34
like talking politics. I talk about politics a lot, but
25:37
not usually on like yes stuff. But I I'm not like like
25:44
capitalism is fascism. That's just what it is.
25:47
It breaches it. It's the start of fascism and
25:51
I'm not. And down with that.
25:54
I revolt against fascism. That's just, I don't like it.
25:58
Gator don't play that shit. Nope.
26:01
You know, that's Doug Kennedy's man.
26:05
There's a poster right on the wall right there, like.
26:07
Yeah, I noticed. That I don't, I don't mess
26:10
around man, so. Well, I'm glad to hear, you
26:15
know, I'm glad that first of all, with, you know, in spite of
26:19
of the craziness that's going on in the world that, you know,
26:21
you're still willing to kind of continue on in your vision or in
26:25
your process of creating music and creating music that is
26:30
meaningful, right. It could just be in especially
26:33
in a day in this day and age where, you know, artificial
26:38
intelligence is rampant. Randa there's there's some cool
26:42
things about it, but like so much of that is killing natural.
26:47
That's. A propaganda machine.
26:50
Yeah, that too. I mean, but also the fact that,
26:53
you know, in order to, in order to have the, in order to have
26:56
that, you know, we're in order to be able to use that, you got
26:59
to have these data centers that are raping the land and, and
27:02
destroying our very home. And it's and it's, it's so
27:08
disheartening and, and all it is, is about, you know, how can,
27:11
how can the rich get richer? You know, nobody's, nobody
27:14
cares. The people that that could make
27:17
a difference, that are in these positions of power, as it were,
27:21
they don't care about the right things.
27:22
You know this is they. Just care about their pockets.
27:25
Exactly. That's what's so disheartening
27:27
about it, you know, and then how we continue as a species, how we
27:30
continue not just for us now, but for our future, our
27:34
children, our grandchildren, you know, the next iteration of
27:37
humanity, what's going to be left for them worth fighting
27:42
for, right? That That's that's.
27:44
What's going to be there for us when we're older and then for
27:47
them? Can you even imagine?
27:49
Yeah, and that's where I can sit back like, you know, you're in
27:53
your 40s. I just turned 40.
27:54
I'm like, I'm already probably more than halfway through this
27:58
gig, you know what I mean? Like this meat machine is run
28:02
half its course or or more. But I've got, you know, my
28:06
nieces and nephews and and other, you know, non blood
28:11
relations. But my relatives, you know what
28:13
I mean? Like these kinfolk, the, these
28:15
people who mean something to me that I'm like that I want them
28:19
to be able to enjoy the things that I enjoyed as a kid growing
28:22
up, right? The woods, the rivers, the
28:24
mountains, the oceans, you know, and, and, and do so freely as
28:28
nature intended, as it's supposed to be, without having
28:32
to worry about all this nonsense and this garbage.
28:34
So, you know, there is, there's so much out here that can really
28:37
wear down on the, the human experience.
28:40
It can wear down on our spirit and it can wear down our our our
28:45
our ability to to be creative. So what state?
28:49
So what state are you in? Tennessee.
28:52
Tennessee, OK, Like Eastern Tennessee.
28:55
Are you near? Middle.
28:58
I'm in Middletown. I'm about 35 miles southeast of
29:01
Nashville. My my grandpa Kratz and my step
29:05
grandma like when I was a kid. They just moved a couple years
29:09
ago to Missus Mississippi, closer to my one uncle, but they
29:18
they lived in Collierville. Yeah, I'm familiar.
29:22
Yeah, that last a bit, yeah. Yeah, it's like it was north of,
29:30
not Nashville's up Memphis. Yeah, yeah, Memphis is wet.
29:35
Yeah. So I was like Collierville.
29:36
I because I used to live out. I used to live about two hours
29:40
from Memphis in Jackson, TN, but a little.
29:43
Yeah, I know where Jackson's at. Yeah.
29:45
So I was about 45 minutes. I was in Hardin County, right on
29:48
the Tennessee River, 15 minutes from Corinth, Ms. 15 minutes
29:53
from Florence, AL, 2 hours from Memphis and Collierville.
29:56
Was was. Yeah, I remember.
29:58
Yeah, so I know right that area. You're about 2 1/2 hours from
30:02
Mud Island. Yep.
30:05
Yeah, dude, that was the. That's the weirdest sight in the
30:08
whole world, man. I went every year.
30:12
I was just like, especially after it rained.
30:14
It's just like mud. Like mud, waterfall.
30:18
Aptly named. Yep.
30:20
Yes. Yeah, well, I've noticed, you
30:24
know, with a lot of the music because first of all, OC and the
30:30
Jupiter have been a music, you know, have, have been, have you
30:34
know, the music that you've written, whether it's just you
30:37
or whether it's been with other collaborators and, and the
30:42
people, Right, right. Your music has been something
30:43
that I've thoroughly enjoyed for for years.
30:46
It's a super, it's a it's a great honor and it's a treat to
30:49
have to, you know, to have you here to talk because I've
30:52
listened to your music in, you know, going to sleep.
30:56
I've listened to the music driving down the road, just all
31:01
different kinds of locations, going on excursions, you know,
31:04
out and out in the wilderness. So there's there's a very strong
31:07
thread of reverence that I feel that your music has for nature
31:14
in general and ancestral connections.
31:18
Has that has that aspect of OC in the Jupiter.
31:22
Has that come from, you know, your personal beliefs or is it
31:26
has it has it kind of evolved through artistic expression?
31:31
Kind of both more more by beliefs and what I, you know,
31:37
experience. So, but it is like if our
31:42
artistic expression is just the way you write and the way you do
31:46
your art. So I'm not, I'm not doing it
31:50
just to do art. I'm doing it because it's like,
31:54
it's just what I want to get out.
31:56
Like I have this feeling and when writing certain things, I
32:00
meditate on things and like not the whole thing as a like I'll
32:04
have a riff at like I'll have something in my head at work or
32:08
while I'm walking or at the store or hiking or or when I'm
32:15
doing it like an actual ritual, I'll have something in my head.
32:18
And if it comes back, then maybe it's meant for me to start
32:21
working on it, you know? And then like, oh, for Lithling
32:27
Howell and Nordleage Runescog, those two, I actually did
32:31
rituals around everything besides the cello, obviously,
32:36
because I didn't play it cello, but I did everything else.
32:39
A lot of this, especially on Nordleage, I used a lot of weird
32:45
sounds, like I used pill bottles to different things around the
32:50
house to make noises. And then I had a bass drum and
32:54
you. Said I used bottle.
32:56
Pill about like like I I would find some sort of pill bottle
32:59
like that. I had the doggy glucosamine that
33:02
I was shaking just like shaking. Instead of a rattle.
33:04
Really. Yeah, and I was using Shakers
33:07
and all this other stuff. Is is definitely different.
33:13
That's so cool. Yeah, I just find stuff around
33:17
like a a a lot of the like wardrobe and all and healing and
33:24
all, all kinds of other bands do stuff like that.
33:27
But what really inspired me to do stuff like that is, believe
33:30
it or not, Trent Reznor. Yeah.
33:33
Because he records a lot of his stuff organically.
33:37
Not everything, but he records a lot of his stuff organically,
33:40
and he manipulates it through his synthesizers.
33:44
I'm a big synth guy. I love Goblin over I love old
33:50
old too, but I mean, but I'm a big like I like that synth wave,
33:56
dark wave sound, but I'm also I love dark industrial where that
34:02
slow drone industrial and I I just like I've been getting into
34:08
author and punisher a lot recently and I am blown.
34:13
I was I'm like an also because I'm trying to I'm formulating my
34:20
side prod like a side project based off of OC and Jupiter
34:24
where I could just tour with me, maybe me and Elise here and
34:28
there, but it but if I wanted to play out just with me, I could
34:32
do a couple of OC songs, but I'm going to have a couple songs
34:36
doing that. Yeah, which I write all the OC
34:40
stuff. I've toured OC with just me
34:43
before, but over the years it just doesn't feel touring as OC.
34:49
Like I feel like I have to have Chris with me now.
34:52
That's just what it is. It's just we've been to Europe
34:55
twice and I'm like, I just, we played all these festivals and I
35:03
just think for OC we need the three of us no matter what.
35:07
Yeah. Even though I write a lot of
35:09
stuff, I just that's just how I feel with that.
35:12
So this project, which I I'm basing it off my old stage name,
35:17
Sean death, but it's S death. OK, it's dot death and it's
35:23
going to be similar ambient. I might touch some industrial
35:29
drone in there, but I mean, it's going to be mostly that with
35:34
acoustic, you know, similar stuff, but there'll be a little
35:39
bit more heavier songs on there, but there's going to be mostly
35:42
stuff like OC. Yeah, stuff.
35:44
But more, more ambient driven, you know, and more, you know,
35:53
Yeah. Feeling that, yeah, just.
35:55
Well, it's funny you mentioned over 'cause I discovered over
36:00
from it. It sounds random but like I'm a
36:04
huge Lamb of God fan and have been a very long time and Randy
36:08
Bligh probably like 15 years ago almost now made a post on his
36:15
Instagram about over. OK.
36:20
And I was like, what is this? And I like, I checked them out
36:23
and I'm like, holy shit, right? Like I was super impressed,
36:28
'cause he was a fan or something like that.
36:29
And I'm like, OK, And then when I and then, you know, 'cause OC
36:33
and the Jupiter you, you that that's about a decade now,
36:37
right, 2015. Yeah, that's yeah.
36:43
So like I named it, yeah. I had known about over and then
36:47
I heard some like OC songs and I'm like, oh shit, you know,
36:50
like I I can hear some some some over influences in there, you
36:54
know. Especially with the sense stuff
36:56
like stuff he does on his synth, it's pretty wicked.
37:01
Yeah, definitely. So Blade Runner, The Running
37:05
Man, we all grew up with those movies and I love the music for
37:08
that stuff. Oh yeah.
37:10
I've always have, but I also love all those 80s analog sense
37:15
sounds like. Yeah, I'm sure you've heard of
37:17
the Midnight. Yeah, yeah.
37:20
Yeah. Yeah, buddy of mine, buddy of
37:23
mine showed me Prom Night, the song Prom Night, and I was like
37:27
instant fan and I just went through like.
37:30
Started streaming. Your entire catalog and entire
37:32
discography. You.
37:33
Know dude? The movie Driver.
37:36
The movie Driver, that it's not a recent movie, but it's recent
37:39
the past 15 years. Ryan Gosling.
37:43
Yeah, yeah, yeah. The music, and that's awesome.
37:46
It's it's just. Yeah.
37:49
See with movies if it doesn't have the correct music it could
37:54
ruin the movie. Even if it's a good movie like
37:57
the it's that's. The soundtrack.
38:00
The soundtrack, you got to get that feel.
38:02
Yeah. I've watched movies where at
38:05
least they have drones or something going in the
38:07
background, like Valhalla rising has a lot of drone stuff, but it
38:11
it has it captures you, but it also has artistic stuff going
38:15
on. You know, right.
38:17
What's that Black Sun movie something or it's like about
38:24
some sort of a it's kind of like the movie Sunrise or it it has
38:33
this like psychedelic feel about it where they're in this, I
38:38
don't know, it might have to do with aliens or something.
38:41
This weird guy's all creepy in it and it's just like the Doctor
38:46
and he has this one person in the chamber and he's just like
38:51
just watching her and all. Kinds of.
38:53
I can envision it. I'm just, yeah, it's the title.
38:56
I forget the name of it we I've watched it recently.
38:59
Yeah, people listen or watch this, throw it down in the
39:01
comments if, if any of that makes sense.
39:04
Yeah, but I. Get the name of it.
39:06
It's it's it. See, it feels like that
39:09
Suspiria, like it has that Suspiria feel about it.
39:13
Right. You know, the way it's shot and
39:15
all the kinds of. I don't know about you, but like
39:17
when you were, when you were younger, did you ever go to, did
39:22
you ever buy movie soundtracks on like a cassette or on CD?
39:27
Oh yeah, yeah, that's mine. Yeah.
39:30
The first one I owned, I think, Well, no, I can't say that
39:34
because, well, the first one I bought that I had was Labyrinth.
39:39
Nice. And I was, I'm I could still
39:42
sing that. I could sing that whole movie
39:45
front to back. I'm a big Bully fan.
39:49
So yeah, dude. But yeah, I I still love Yeah.
39:53
It's one of my favorite movies still.
39:55
It's I mean, it's a cult classic, right?
39:57
Can't holds holds up. It does.
40:02
And it's in terms of like music holding up, you know, over time.
40:05
It's interesting because like your music or you know, I've
40:09
been exposed to, I'll say, you know, we'll say OC and the
40:11
drooper, right. The sound balances kind of like
40:14
between ancient folk and modern ambient.
40:19
Atmospheres, right? So how, how have you approached
40:22
this to achieve that kind of harmony between old and the new?
40:28
Well, Luthling, Howl and Nordlege, there is whole rituals
40:34
around those two albums, like they're supposed to be.
40:38
I didn't plan Norlege after, but I kind of had a plan after
40:41
Osling to do something similar to that, to have a, you know,
40:47
two or three. This is the third.
40:49
There's there has to be some the number 39 and 20 seven 9 * 3 is
40:55
27 and. Numerology.
40:58
Numerology and it's speaking from the a higher self and a
41:05
ritualistic purpose. So, and then I still took the
41:11
same ideas and just did my folk songs and then had little bits
41:17
of here and there of that in between songs that were
41:21
instrumental and stuff. I would tell Chris like in
41:24
Balder, I, I remember when I recorded a thing and Chris was
41:30
like, hey, he hit me up. He's like, are you looking for a
41:33
session artist? I was like, well, check this
41:36
out. See if you want to put anything
41:37
on top of it. Like, you know, it might be cool
41:40
to get some cello. I'll mix you down on it.
41:43
Yeah, man. And then I was just like, for
41:46
for this song, you got to have that Braveheart feel.
41:51
I told him he's just like, he sent me a bunch of passes, like
41:54
do this here and there. And he's like, OK.
41:57
And I was just like, yeah. And then since then, since we've
41:59
been playing live and stuff, he actually does a couple things
42:02
different near to end, which are I like even more than album.
42:06
I wish he would have done on the album.
42:08
But the album is still good. But it's cool though, that he
42:11
does it live because now for live it gives a different feel.
42:15
It not a it gives the same feel, but it also gives people more,
42:21
Yeah. Live.
42:22
So, right. And I'm a big person with when
42:24
you have something live, give them something more.
42:30
But it's, you know, I don't have a percussionist with us when we
42:33
go on tour. Like I have friends that could
42:36
play a percussion, but it I don't have a lot of money, you
42:39
know what I mean? Got to work with what you got.
42:42
Well, you know who else, as far as you know, poets of our
42:46
generation, performers. You know who else did something
42:48
very similar to what you're describing in terms of, you
42:52
know, what you get from the studio recording is not the same
42:55
as what you get from a live Jim Morrison, man.
42:59
Oh yeah, but but but Jim used to.
43:02
When he first started The Doors, he used to.
43:04
He went on stage with his back turn like audience.
43:07
Yeah. 'Cause I don't, I think it was a
43:10
shy thing, but then he broke through to the other side,
43:17
'cause people. Are strange man yeah gotta ride
43:19
you gotta ride through that storm.
43:21
What other, what other, what other door reference could we
43:23
the doors reference could we give here?
43:25
But yeah. I'm a Doris fan.
43:26
I just I'm a big Pink Floyd fan, but I was AI was a huge Roger
43:32
Waters fan for the longest time, but.
43:35
Yeah. I am so for Palestine like I've
43:40
like I am against Israel. I don't politics is, you know,
43:47
it slips out at me when I talk, but I mean, I'm for Palestine,
43:51
but I am. I don't like how he's capital.
43:55
It seems like he's capitalizing off the fact.
43:59
Right. Yeah, that's it.
44:00
Just feels like he's doing stuff that's good, but something seems
44:05
ingenuine and now I'm like taking all the David Gilmour
44:09
stuff. Like I love David Gilmour stuff.
44:10
I'm a big Richard Wright fan. That's another reason why I play
44:13
keyboards and I he all this stuff, like David Gilmore's just
44:22
even keel and he's just like, I don't want to work with the guy.
44:25
He's an asshole. Yeah, yeah.
44:28
Basically he. Doesn't say that, but he's
44:29
basically like. And I was just like, no, I
44:32
that's the reason why I play bass and sing.
44:34
I love Roger Waters. He's a song construction.
44:37
He's theatrical. But over the years, like, I
44:41
realized I was just like, wow, yeah, David Gilmer's right, you
44:45
know? Yeah, something there about it,
44:48
you know, you know, music has such a a powerful role in in all
44:54
of our lives. It you know, when you said, you
44:56
know, when you were talking before about what Chris added to
44:59
to Balder, you know, and I go like that is just one song that
45:03
always speaks out in my mind because the first time I heard
45:06
it, it's like, I don't even you know, you don't need lyrics.
45:08
Just close your eyes, listen to the, to the emotion that's being
45:12
conveyed through the melody. And you can't help but feel the,
45:17
the, the pain and, and, and the agony and, and the sorrow.
45:21
And then this sort of like, I don't know, revival in a way.
45:25
It's, it's such a it, it takes you through so many different
45:31
emotional experiences. So like, I was going to ask you
45:33
if like, yeah, man, I appreciate you for all.
45:37
First of all, for, for having, for, for providing the world
45:40
with that piece. You know, I mean, it is, but I
45:42
was going to ask you like, what if you had like a track or an
45:46
album that you feel for OC, right?
45:49
For for the OC stuff, Do you? Is there like a track or an
45:52
album that you feel best represents your sort of
45:56
spiritual and musical journey up to this point?
46:00
Well, I mean, it's basically it's every album leading for it,
46:05
you know, like Larvatis is right now.
46:08
It's and it has that old ambient feel to it.
46:12
Like it it, there's more, there's a there's only a couple
46:16
songs with singing on it. Yeah.
46:19
And there's more distant Oz in the background.
46:23
And Elise did vocals on a, She did backing vocals on the like
46:29
Lurking Beneath the Pines and Thank You.
46:33
And but she actually was the only vocalist on a howling
46:40
mountain. You know, I am the howling
46:43
mountain. And and she's a, what she says
46:49
is you don't go unnoticed. And if you look in the lyrics
46:54
book, it's it's written on there.
46:56
It's like you don't go unnoticed.
46:59
I didn't write that. She wrote that.
47:01
And it's supposed to mean like, you don't go unnoticed, like
47:04
everybody. Yeah, it's.
47:06
Supposed to hit like no, just the words, not just the music.
47:10
Like you don't go unnoticed like. 4 words yeah with.
47:15
A forward. With, with a, with a powerful
47:18
message behind it, you know, yeah, you don't have to.
47:21
You don't have to be, you know, you don't have to write big long
47:25
things lyrically to get. Those that sentence just
47:28
powerful in itself. And she wrote that.
47:31
I I didn't write that, she wrote that.
47:33
Well, props to Elise. I know she was.
47:34
We had we had initially planned on her being here for this, for
47:37
this episode, but yeah, we I hope, you know, if it doesn't
47:40
get back to her through the episode, at least convey.
47:43
Oh, I will when I go upstairs. Yeah, yeah.
47:48
So OK, so we're getting close to time.
47:49
I want to be respectful. I know you had I appreciate you
47:52
that. So really quick though, how do
47:54
you see you know what you're doing, your art, the music
47:58
fitting into a broader revival of folk music and heathen
48:03
inspired music or Pagan inspired music happening in the world
48:06
today or in the future? I see a we play with many
48:12
different folk bands, metal bands, many different bangs fest
48:21
when people awesome people and musicians.
48:26
I just, I, I see this fitting just about anywhere besides
48:31
like, in a place where people just don't respect each other,
48:38
you know what I mean? A common place that people.
48:41
Can common place, but I mean there there's gonna be places
48:43
where it's not you know, you know, but I mean at least some
48:50
like Cascadia Midsummer fire in the mountains like that.
48:53
That's good peoples. We played in Gota for Germany
48:59
for like with a bunch of, you know, people from the label and
49:09
put it on and they were all it was.
49:12
It was like family and. If you ever guys, if you ever,
49:15
if you could ever make it to mid Garsh bloat.
49:17
I would love to go there, yeah, but hopefully we'll get that
49:27
offer. That'll be great.
49:28
I Europe, everyone's been amazingly light hearted and
49:34
awesome. Pacific Northwest, everyone's
49:38
always been the time we were out there, even in Wyoming when we
49:43
played fire in the mountains before they moved to Montana.
49:46
They they're all good people. I made friends, like lifelong
49:51
friends that you know I'll be friends with probably till the
49:55
day I die. Speaking of Cascadian Midsummer,
50:01
they their land, this started zoning a part of it on their
50:10
land in Washington state and they did a GoFundMe and they
50:15
just reached your goal. So fantastic.
50:19
Yeah, and it, it was like $20,000 goal, like to reach the.
50:25
It was they're like, what are we going to do?
50:27
And it's my friend Lucian's and a few of them that is their land
50:33
and I think it's her mom's land or something.
50:35
And man, but that's where the cascading Midsummer.
50:40
It's amazing. If you ever want to, it's
50:44
amazing. Time to go.
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There are vendors, speakers, bands, 2 stages.
50:49
You walk through the trails to get to the stage and then you
50:52
walk around to the next stage or go there the other side for the
50:55
stage. It's like off the beaten, it's
50:58
way off the beaten path. That's that's like an
50:59
understatement. I've heard about it from another
51:03
performer, musician craftsperson Chris Welsh, Sun and Moondance.
51:09
Yeah, he's a, he's a good, he's good people.
51:12
Yeah, he is. I've had him on the show before
51:14
and I've talked to him through different areas.
51:16
But yeah, he, I believe last time I spoke with him on this
51:19
show a couple seasons ago or whatever, he he had mentioned it
51:22
and it sounds like a wonderful time.
51:25
He's another person that plays from his heart.
51:27
Yes, you write stuff. Chris is a genuine guy man, like
51:30
I've never met him in person, would love to one day but he
51:33
just seems like a real dude you know?
51:36
He's, he's, yeah, he he lives near Asheville, I think, right
51:40
North Carolina. He, well, last I knew he did.
51:44
I don't know, like I've seen some stuff where he's been
51:46
spending a lot of more time out in Colorado recently.
51:49
I don't know if he's making a permanent move or, or what, but
51:54
or back and forth between. But yeah, I know people.
51:59
I'm very good friends with people who have spent time with
52:01
him in person and the stories check out right as genuine as I
52:04
feel he is, like they're like we've spent time with him in
52:07
person. And yeah, he he's, he's a good
52:09
guy. So Chris, if you listen or or
52:11
hear this, you man. I met him once, he he came to
52:17
our Asheville show and he is stand up guy.
52:21
He's a good guy. And yeah, yeah.
52:23
Dude, nice man. Well, listen, I'm going to ask
52:26
you I I had some things I want to ask you, like rapid fire
52:30
stuff, but I know it's close to time and I want to get you off.
52:32
To rapid fire me for a second, that's fine.
52:34
I'll give you like, I'll give you like 2.
52:36
OK, what's one word that best describes OC in the Jupiter?
52:44
The love for nature. Well, nature.
52:47
One word, nature. Nature.
52:50
Yeah, I mean, that's the first thing that comes to mind.
52:53
I'm always talking about it. It is nature.
52:55
It's the growth, the roots. Yeah.
52:58
Growing up, like your veins in your arm being connected to, you
53:04
know, nature for sure. And giving back, paying, paying
53:08
it forward. Right.
53:10
Yeah, being that good, a good custodian, good caretaker, good
53:14
stewards. Yeah, awesome man, love that
53:17
answer. And then the last one would be
53:19
as if you could we talked earlier about soundtracks and
53:22
how great films and stuff. Could you know, if if you don't
53:25
have a good soundtrack, it kind of makes the movie suck.
53:28
So if if if you could soundtrack a film or even a game, Video
53:32
game perhaps. What would you like to have OC
53:36
and the Jupiter featured in film or game?
53:40
Film, I'm always feeling like I don't really play games like I
53:47
I'm watching. I just started Fallout right
53:49
before we started talking because I played four out
53:52
Fallout 4 and that's been years. But it takes me a long time to
53:56
play a game because I'll just like, and I haven't done one in
53:59
three years, but it would take me like a couple years because I
54:02
spend more time doing other things.
54:04
Like I want to be in nature and do this.
54:07
And you know, I'd rather be disconnected to electronics as
54:12
much as possible. I.
54:13
Heard that man. So and but yeah, it would be
54:20
movies, sci-fi to some backwoods stuff or.
54:28
There you go. Or, you know, even being on
54:31
Vikings, 'cause we were, we had two songs on Vikings.
54:34
One was kind of mixed in. Second, the last episode of last
54:38
season, I just heard a chain. I I didn't think I didn't think
54:42
it was in there, but I had to listen to it and I heard the
54:46
chains and the the drones. It it's Valus, blot off the
54:49
first record. Oh shit, no way.
54:53
But it's mixed in during the rain scene when I like Ivar is
54:57
in the battle thing and you hear the chains kind of and I was
55:00
just like, I couldn't I couldn't hear it for the longest time.
55:05
I was like I maybe they just used the one song like during
55:09
when Ingrid when she cut her, she's making the blood stave.
55:13
That's the OC song, the scuff. Dude.
55:18
Yeah, I. Didn't even, I didn't even know
55:20
because I I kind of fell off the Vikings wagon after the first
55:24
couple of seasons. So I didn't, I didn't realize
55:27
that that y'all were featured in that.
55:28
That's awesome, man. Yeah, we were on, we were on
55:32
episode 17, Wrath of Medusa, when Ingrid's cutting hers, her,
55:38
herself to make the blood offering.
55:41
Yeah. Thoris and then the you know.
55:47
Dang, yeah, that's pretty awesome, man.
55:50
I mean, I don't think I don't know many people that I've
55:51
talked to that can say that they were featured in one of the
55:55
Vikings, you know, episodes. So that's that's pretty cool.
56:00
That's for sharing that. And Speaking of sharing, since
56:02
I'm about to wrap this up here with you, for people that don't
56:06
know about OC in the Jupiter or anything that you got going on
56:10
kind of rolling out the red carpet for you here, Sean, where
56:13
can people find you? What have you got going on that
56:16
you'd like to plug? Anything coming down music wise,
56:19
show wise, anything that you'd like to to share with the
56:22
people? We are one thing that we're
56:25
planning on we're going to be playing a fest in southern Ohio
56:28
during Solstice, but more info is to come.
56:33
So and and we are also we're going to be recording sometime
56:42
soon. Just nothing will probably not
56:46
be out until late 27 at least. We're going to actually, we're
56:54
going to do a lot to this next one.
56:55
I think so. And in the meantime, I'm going
57:01
to Elise like I play bass in Elise's one sludge band that she
57:10
fronts and plays guitar called a vowel.
57:14
But I also something in more the OC vein.
57:16
I have that S death stuff that I'm going to be doing here
57:19
shortly, but been keeping it kind of yeah, on Instagram is
57:25
the handles S death incantations, like S dot death
57:30
incantations. So but yeah, it's going to have
57:36
more ambient, but still folk driven stuff, some industrial
57:42
stuff. We'll see where it lands.
57:44
I have some demo stuff that's going to be released 1st and
57:46
then I'm going to record the better stuff.
57:49
But I mean, I for OC, we're definitely we have, I have a
57:56
handful of songs, but I want to, I want to deconstruct them and
58:02
reconstruct them again and again.
58:04
I'm thinking I'm going to try. I want to make this one even
58:08
more special. Larvatis I think is, you know,
58:12
it's getting good praise, but I think a lot's going on in the
58:15
world right now. The point where, you know, a lot
58:17
of people are like, oh shit, I didn't know this came out, you
58:20
know, because all these releases, but also everybody's
58:25
hurting right now. So and over stimulation of stuff
58:32
going back and forth. Like I get it like I'm over
58:35
stimulated as well though and I'm I try to concentrate on
58:40
other things. So I hear you man.
58:43
And it's a, it's a familiar feeling for a lot of us in
58:46
different ways, but it's familiar.
58:48
But we'll definitely include some links for people to to
58:51
follow you on your social. So obviously Instagram and
58:54
Facebook website for any upcoming releases and news that
58:59
they can find. John.
59:01
Eisenwald their their web store, their website and if you
59:05
subscribe to their newsletters they will send stuff about OC
59:10
and Egg Lock and all all those other fans that are Eisenwald.
59:15
Part of their family. Yeah.
59:17
Yeah. We'll include the label
59:20
information in the show notes and stuff, so people listening,
59:23
check the show notes for the watchers here on Patreon.
59:26
Check down in the description for the links.
59:29
And obviously, if you know OC and the Jupiter, you're already
59:32
kind of part of the no. But if you're not and you're new
59:35
to this, definitely follow along.
59:37
Check out all of OCS and the OC and the Jupiter's work, Sean and
59:41
Elise and Chris. Really great stuff.
59:44
Sean, really appreciate you being here.
59:46
Is there anything else you want to say before I wrap this up?
59:50
I just appreciate everyone who's been listening.
59:53
Guys mean a lot. I didn't, you know, it's part of
59:58
my journey. But I mean, I hope everybody
1:00:02
finds himself their pathway out of the jumble mess.
1:00:07
What's going on right now? So.
1:00:09
Yeah, it's a moment in time. People will.
1:00:12
Get and it's around the world too.
1:00:13
It's not just here. Yeah, yeah.
1:00:16
This, this, this, this, this show gets, you know, audiences,
1:00:19
the audience of this show are are are worldwide too.
1:00:22
So you know, we hear you. What did what did Elise say?
1:00:26
You are? What did she say in that?
1:00:28
You don't go unnoticed. You don't go unnoticed.
1:00:32
What a beautiful phrase. What a beautiful sentence, and a
1:00:34
powerful 1. So yes, thank you, Sean.
1:00:37
Stick around for just about two minutes.
1:00:38
I'll, I'll, I'll wrap up with you in a moment.
1:00:40
But for everybody else that's listening, watching this show,
1:00:43
your support is greatly appreciated.
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1:00:48
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Thank you very much for being here.
1:00:55
Thank you, Sean. Thank.
1:00:56
You this week, it's been great to have you.
1:00:59
So for everybody else, thank you.
1:01:01
We'll see you in the next one. And until then, may the gods
1:01:04
continue to notice you, and may your ancestors smile upon you.
1:02:09
None.