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Cult mom Lori Vallow and hubby Chad Daybell reunite! · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Crime stories with Nancy Grace in the last hours, a
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Speaker 1: bombshell ruling by a judge and a cult mum Lorie Chase.
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Speaker 1: Will it change the course of events with me an
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Speaker 1: all star panel to break you down and put it
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Speaker 1: back together again, But first take a listen to this
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Speaker 1: and Idaho judge ruling that the case against Chad day
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Speaker 1: Bell and his wife, Laurie day Bell, will be tried together.
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Speaker 1: The judge saying that both have a common scheme linked
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Speaker 1: to the allegations. He also wants to avoid having trials
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Speaker 1: that are too similar and considered the COVID nineteen safety
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Speaker 1: guidelines involving finding one jury as opposed to finding two.
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Speaker 1: So day Bell is accused of concealing the remains of
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Speaker 1: Laurie Valo's children JJ and Tylie Ryan. Those bodies were
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Speaker 1: found on his Idaho property. His wife faces similar charge. Up.
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Speaker 1: You were just hearing our friends at Fox ten News Phoenix.
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Speaker 1: I wish the judge hadn't said so much, because just
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Speaker 1: think about it, if you were being charged, if you're
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Speaker 1: being tried for murderer, and the judge said, well, I'm
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Speaker 1: going to try you with the other killer because your
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Speaker 1: trials are so similar. You know, the justice system is
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Speaker 1: not about cutting corners and cost saving, It's about doing
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Speaker 1: the right thing under the constitution. The reason legally and
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Speaker 1: under the Constitution that Laurie Valoe cult mom and our
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Speaker 1: brand new hubby, Chad day Bell, the Doomsday cult leader,
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Speaker 1: are going to be tried together under the law, not
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Speaker 1: because you don't want duplication, but because they are connected
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Speaker 1: by a pattern of facts. They are connected by scientific evidence.
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Speaker 1: That is why they're being tried together now again under
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Speaker 1: the law. If this were a death penalty case, the
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Speaker 1: likelihood is they would not be being tried together. Let
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Speaker 1: me introduce you are all Star panel. First of all,
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Speaker 1: doctor Bethany Marshall, Psychoanalyst to the Stars, joining me out
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Speaker 1: of Beverly Hills. You can find her at doctor Bethany
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Speaker 1: Marshall dot com. Philadelphia criminal defense attorney Joseph Morone at
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Speaker 1: Morone Law dot com joining us from Philly. Professor Forensics,
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Speaker 1: Jacksonville State University, author of Blood Beneath My Feet on
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Speaker 1: Amazon and the star of a brand new series, Poisonous
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Speaker 1: Liaisons on the True Crime Network. Joe Scott Morgan, telecommunications
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Speaker 1: expert out of Raleigh. Ben Levitan at Ben Levitan dot
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Speaker 1: Com and that telecommunications evidence is one of the reason
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Speaker 1: cult mom is going to finally get to sit next
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Speaker 1: to her new hubby in court. Nate Eaton reported with
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Speaker 1: the Idaho News dot com. Nate Aton, you were the
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Speaker 1: one that followed them all the way to Hawaii and
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Speaker 1: got this whole thing kicked off. But for those of
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Speaker 1: you that native refresher course, take a listen to Kalin
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Speaker 1: Ford inside edition. It was just before Christmas that police
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Speaker 1: in Rexburg, Idaho, pleaded with the public for help. Two
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Speaker 1: children were missing and hadn't been seen since September. Seven
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Speaker 1: year old Joshua jj Vaalo was described as having special needs,
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Speaker 1: including autism. Police said his sixteen year old sister, Tylie Ryan,
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Speaker 1: was devoted to him. The FBI and the National Center
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Speaker 1: for Missing and Exploited Children were part of the search.
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Speaker 1: Police said this doorbell camera footage was the last known
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Speaker 1: video of JJ. The police of the children's mother, Laurie Vallo,
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Speaker 1: wasn't helping to find them and had never reported them
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Speaker 1: missing at all. Never reported your own children missing JJ
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Speaker 1: and Tylee JJJ seven, Tyley's sixteen. And then this is
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Speaker 1: when cultmom Laurie Valo really showed her tree callers listen
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Speaker 1: to callen Ford inside edition. Authorities in Idaho had given
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Speaker 1: Laurie a January thirtieth deadline to prove the kids were okay,
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Speaker 1: but she didn't show up. Then, on February twentieth, Laurie
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Speaker 1: was arrested in Kawaii and charged with felony desertion of
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Speaker 1: JJ and Tayle and misdemeanor charges of resisting and obstructing
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Speaker 1: an officer, solicitation of a crime, and contempt. Laurie made
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Speaker 1: her first court appearance in Kawaii before being extradited to Idaho.
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Speaker 1: Straight out to Nate Eton with East Idaho News dot Com. Nate,
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Speaker 1: You've been on a story from the very beginning. That
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Speaker 1: was you running along beside cult mom Laurie Valo, asking
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Speaker 1: where are the children? And where are the children? He
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Speaker 1: got a pretty icy response when you told her that
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Speaker 1: all across the world people were praying for the discovery
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Speaker 1: of her children. She didn't seem too happy about that.
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Speaker 1: I bet she's st doing mad right now after this
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Speaker 1: judge's ruling. What's happening, Well, we do not after this
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Speaker 1: judge rule that the cases will be combined. It was
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Speaker 1: actually Chad's attorney that opposed joining them, Laurie's attorney, and
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Speaker 1: Laurie was just fine with the issue. They didn't raise
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Speaker 1: any sort of concerns with it. Chad's attorney says, if
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Speaker 1: we can find them, the media coverage is going to
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Speaker 1: be too much. He won't get a fair trial. If
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Speaker 1: he won't get a fair shake. Judge, we need to
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Speaker 1: separate these trials. The judge said, no way, and now
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Speaker 1: the proceedings will go forth if everything goes as planned
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Speaker 1: early next year. Let me understand, so cult Mom's lawyer
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Speaker 1: did not want the case is severed. Laurie Valo's attorney
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Speaker 1: was fine if they were joined. They were just fine
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Speaker 1: with having the proceedings together. He raised no objection. Okay,
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Speaker 1: let me bring in our defense attorney, Joseph Marone out
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Speaker 1: of Philadelphia. Noses and way around the courtroom. Joseph, I've
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Speaker 1: never heard in a capital case such as this one. Well,
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Speaker 1: of course they haven't been charge flat out with a
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Speaker 1: murder yet, but in a case of this severity having
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Speaker 1: both lawyers fine a joinder, Well, I don't. I think
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Speaker 1: each each attorney has his own strategy. But Laurie's attorney
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Speaker 1: just didn't oppose it. I mean, there's still an opportunity
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Speaker 1: for severance because there's a possibility Chad made plead out right,
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Speaker 1: so he just didn't oppose it. And really, Chad the
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Speaker 1: one was a big problem the bodies were found on
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Speaker 1: his property. He's the one to kind of lead this
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Speaker 1: whole cult. A lot of the evidence kind of gears
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Speaker 1: to him to being the leader. He has the problem. She,
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Speaker 1: on the other hand, is going to play as if
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Speaker 1: she had ultimately was just led into this, really had
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Speaker 1: no direct involvement, really didn't know what was going on.
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Speaker 1: Now that's the story. Now. I don't know whether or
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Speaker 1: not these attorneys are going to be able to sell that,
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Speaker 1: but I think it's definitely against Chad for these two
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Speaker 1: to be together. I mean it's I think it's against
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Speaker 1: both of them. I'll tell you why. I called it
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Speaker 1: the melted cheese theory. You know when you get a
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Speaker 1: ham and cheese, how the cheese melts down over everything.
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Speaker 1: The reality is in this case, doctor Bethany Marshall, you're
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Speaker 1: the shrink, and boy do we need one right now?
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Speaker 1: When all the evidence comes in about these children, one
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Speaker 1: of them being dismembered, buckets of flesh and a skull.
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Speaker 1: These are two little children. They're her children. When all
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Speaker 1: that comes into evidence, you don't think that jury's going
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Speaker 1: to look over at her and think, how in the
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Speaker 1: h E double L did you let this man engineer this? Oh?
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Speaker 1: And I just looked at her pictures, Nancy. The last
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Speaker 1: time she was in court, her hair was done up. Oh,
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Speaker 1: please quiet. You always want to remind me about her
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Speaker 1: getting her hair done and her makeup dune and her
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Speaker 1: nails done before she goes to court. And that was
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Speaker 1: before her children's bodies were found on her brand new
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Speaker 1: husband's pretty Well, what does her hair have to do
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Speaker 1: with this, Bethany, Well, Nancy, I have to add lash
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Speaker 1: extensions she had. She looks like she's wearing last I
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Speaker 1: don't know what those are. Go ahead are steady permanent
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Speaker 1: fake eyelashes, and I'm wondering how she got those in jail.
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Speaker 1: But that's besides the point. What the point is is
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Speaker 1: that the jury is going to look at this woman
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Speaker 1: and say, not only were you not bonded with your children,
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Speaker 1: because there are some things, That's what they're going to say, Bethany.
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Speaker 1: They're not going to be worried about bonding They're gonna
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Speaker 1: be worried about that green plastic bucket. A flesh crime
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Speaker 1: stories with Nancy Grace. We are talking about the death
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Speaker 1: of two little children, and in the last hours a
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Speaker 1: major bombshell from the court we learned that both cult
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Speaker 1: mom Lorie Valoe and her brand new husband, Chad Daybil
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Speaker 1: are going to be tried together. This is a huge,
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Speaker 1: significant ruling in the case because of what I call
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Speaker 1: the Milton Cheese theory, everything that comes in, I guess
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Speaker 1: one of them will melt on to the other. Now
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Speaker 1: renowned psychoanalyst joining me out of Beverly Hills, doctor Bethany Marshall,
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Speaker 1: is telling me that the journey is going to be angry.
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Speaker 1: They call it mom didn't bond with her children, And
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Speaker 1: I say, they're going to be more worried about the
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Speaker 1: green plastic bucket of human flesh. What about that, doctor Bethany, Well,
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Speaker 1: Nancy is always the right. It's the cruel, heinous aggression
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Speaker 1: towards the children, not only killing them, but dismembering them.
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Speaker 1: And this is a woman who preferred her religiosity, preferred
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Speaker 1: her husband, preferred a new life to her own children.
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Speaker 1: And what we see with mothers who kill. Moms who
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Speaker 1: kill is that they always have a sense that they're
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Speaker 1: going to have this idealized life once their children are
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Speaker 1: out of the way. But Nancy, she could have placed
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Speaker 1: them with a relative. She could they were, you know,
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Speaker 1: JJ was seven, highly was was about to go off
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Speaker 1: to college. She could have lived with them a few
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Speaker 1: more years and then had her idealized life. But no,
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Speaker 1: she didn't stop there. She tortured them, She dismembered them.
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Speaker 1: She she beautifully blamed her bomb. Her lawyer is gonna
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Speaker 1: blame day Belle. And that goes back to what Joseph Marone,
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Speaker 1: the Philadelphia Criminal Defense was turning was saying. He was saying,
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Speaker 1: it's gonna hurt day Belle Moore to have them joined.
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Speaker 1: But I think it's gonna hurt called Mom Moore, because
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Speaker 1: you know what, let me go through it with you.
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Speaker 1: Jo Scott Morgan, hold on, Bethany, before you give me
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Speaker 1: your shrink opinion on this, Jo Scott, if you could
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Speaker 1: describe the way the bodies were found, Well, first let's
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Speaker 1: let's take Tyle's body. Nancy, her body was essentially found
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Speaker 1: immediately adjacent to what's being referred to as the fire ring,
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Speaker 1: and also an associated area where animal remains had been
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Speaker 1: cemetery where they buried their pets, that where the body
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Speaker 1: was found. Yeah, yeah, you're right, and it kind of
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Speaker 1: gives you. For me, at least, it gives me an
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Speaker 1: indication that she was a bit more dehumanized than JJ.
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Speaker 1: And I'll explain that in just a brief second. But
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Speaker 1: so do you mean that when she turned into a
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Speaker 1: team she started saying the ugly word. No, Tom, Mommy
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Speaker 1: wanted her to do something because I feel like the child.
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Speaker 1: Let me go to Nate Eaton. Hold On, I'm sorry,
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Speaker 1: Joe scot I'm going to circle back to you, Nate Eaton.
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Speaker 1: I started with you, and somehow I got lost with
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Speaker 1: doctor Bethany Marshall. Okay, Nate, I think that Tyley started
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Speaker 1: pushing back against Lorie Valo and that JJ, who just
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Speaker 1: sometimes out of control with all his hyperactivity. He's a
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Speaker 1: little boy, and she was just fed up with it.
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Speaker 1: This is a major ruling, Nate. Why, Well, we know
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Speaker 1: that those they'll be one jury, there'll be one judge.
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Speaker 1: They both chat and Laurie will be in the courtroom together.
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Speaker 1: Their attorneys will both be arguing on their behalf. Now,
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Speaker 1: remember that additional charges could be coming right now. These
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Speaker 1: two have not been charged with murder. Yeah, I don't
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Speaker 1: understand that, Nate Aden, what's the problem. There's a dead,
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Speaker 1: dismembered body, the two bodies once dismembered on his property
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Speaker 1: and the whole time the cops are searching it. He's
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Speaker 1: on the phone with cult mom in jail and she's saying,
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Speaker 1: did they find anything? Of course she knows the bodies
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Speaker 1: are there. Why aren't they both chried with being charged
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Speaker 1: with murder. Well, the one thing we do know is
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Speaker 1: that her brother, Alex Cox, he's now dead, was out
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Speaker 1: there at the property day that those bodies were allegedly buried,
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Speaker 1: according to the police. So one of their theories, one
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Speaker 1: of their defenses, could be that Alex did it and
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Speaker 1: he's no longer here to defend himself or to be
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Speaker 1: charged with any sort of charge. So the prosecutor has
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Speaker 1: said all along he's going to be very careful with this.
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Speaker 1: There's also been some COVID restrictions as far as grand
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Speaker 1: juries meeting here in Idaho. They're not meeting, and they
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Speaker 1: haven't been meeting for months. So if by zoom not
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Speaker 1: in Idaho, they're not allowing them. Why they have they
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Speaker 1: have to meet in person. They have to be there
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Speaker 1: to be able to see the evidence so that you
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Speaker 1: know other right, the Supreme Court of Idaho has said
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Speaker 1: no grand juries can meet now if they were going
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Speaker 1: to indict by grand jury. That's caused a wrinkle in
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Speaker 1: the case. One thing to remember Nancy two One year
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Speaker 1: ago this week, November fifth, Chattam Morey got married on
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Speaker 1: the beach. So they're celebrating their first anniversary this week
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Speaker 1: in separate jails. Just weeks after Chad's wife, Tammy died,
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Speaker 1: and we are still waiting on that autopsy result from
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Speaker 1: her death. It's been a year now. We still don't
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Speaker 1: know how she died, other than police are saying that
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Speaker 1: it's suspicious. Nate eight and I had no idea. You're
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Speaker 1: such a roman at keeping up with her anniversary, Anna
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Speaker 1: Bombshell in the case, are there the suspects take a
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Speaker 1: listen to our friends at Court TV. Lorie Valadebell has
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Speaker 1: an upcoming trial and she's got an attorney name Mark
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Speaker 1: Means who's a very aggressive advocate for his client. And
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Speaker 1: he has now gone online and is doing what I'm
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Speaker 1: calling a means tweet, not a mean tweet, but a
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Speaker 1: means tweet. Take a look at what he tweeted here,
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Speaker 1: all the rats are running. He tweeted that, and he
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Speaker 1: tweeted as I prepare the defense for Lorie Valade bell,
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Speaker 1: I am learning that persons like Melanie Gibb and her
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Speaker 1: boyfriend David Warwick here to have been eagerly quote involved
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Speaker 1: in more than they led on. If you know something,
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Speaker 1: say something, Well, he's got a nerve. If you know something,
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Speaker 1: say something, and he's representing cult mom Laurie Valo she
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Speaker 1: knew something all those months and didn't say a darned thing,
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Speaker 1: Nate Eton. She knew where her children were, she said
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Speaker 1: nothing because she knew they were dead. So, Nate Eton,
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Speaker 1: it seems to me that the suggestion of other perpetrators
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Speaker 1: is rearing its ugly head through Laurie Valoe's lawyer. He's
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Speaker 1: pointing the finger. And then close friend Melanie Gibb, what's
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Speaker 1: the story. Well, Melanie Gibb has been one of the
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Speaker 1: key witnesses with the prosecution yet the preliminary hearing, you
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Speaker 1: might remember she played a phone call where she confronted
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Speaker 1: Chat and Laurie. I believe it was about twenty minutes saying,
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Speaker 1: why won't you say where j J and Tie were?
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Speaker 1: This was a phone call from last winter, before they've
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Speaker 1: been arrested, before anything was out there. Melanie GiB knows
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Speaker 1: a lot. The prosecutors are going to use her a lot.
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Speaker 1: She knew Chat and Laurie better than anybody. She has recordings,
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Speaker 1: she has notes, she has journals. So of course the
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Speaker 1: defense attorney is going to try to go after her,
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Speaker 1: kidds to poke any sort of hole in her story
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Speaker 1: that he can. Well. As a matter of fact, what
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Speaker 1: kind of witness will Melanie GiB be? Remember she was
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Speaker 1: in the initial charges thrown at cult Mom Laurie Value,
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Speaker 1: a charge that cult Mom tried to get other people
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Speaker 1: to lie about the children's whereabouts. That was tried to
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Speaker 1: get Melanie GiB to lie about the children's whereabouts, and
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Speaker 1: it became a charge in an indictment. Take a listen
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Speaker 1: to Melanie GiB talking to Nate Eaton. When you realize
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Speaker 1: that the people that you know and you're close to
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Speaker 1: and love have been involved done something that has to
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Speaker 1: do with kidnapping and people dying, you start to think,
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Speaker 1: oh my gosh, are they going to come up for me?
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Speaker 1: Like is she afraid for her own wife. Are they
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Speaker 1: gonna come after me? You're hearing Melanie gives speaking to
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Speaker 1: Nate Eaton. So, Nate, where is Melanie Givebn Does she
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Speaker 1: know they're trying to blame her for the murders? Yeah,
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Speaker 1: she's aware of it. She is getting ready to take
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Speaker 1: the stand when this eventually goes to trial. She told
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Speaker 1: me as recently as last week that the truth will prevail.
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Speaker 1: That was her response to Mark Means tweet that really
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Speaker 1: doesn't tell me a whole lot. The truth will prevail?
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Speaker 1: What truth is she talking about? She's confident in what
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Speaker 1: she knows and what happened in her relationship with Chatten
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Speaker 1: for you, Nate, come on. Everybody that goes to court
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Speaker 1: says the truth's going to come out. Even defendants dying
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Speaker 1: the world convicted say oh, the truth is going to
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Speaker 1: come out. Well, it usually does that. Actually it usually
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Speaker 1: is about them. I hope Melanie Gibb is right. Crime
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Speaker 1: Stories with Nancy Grace guys, in the last hours, a
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Speaker 1: major breakthrough in the case. We now know a jury
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Speaker 1: will hear all the evidence because caught my Lord Valo
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Speaker 1: and her lover turned new husband, Chad day Belle the
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Speaker 1: doomsday cultist. They're going to be tried together in the
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Speaker 1: same courtroom. They'll finally get to see each other in
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Speaker 1: the flesh. They've been living off phone calls to each
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Speaker 1: other behind bars. I wonder if they know those calls
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Speaker 1: are being recorded. Take a listen to what we know
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Speaker 1: about the bodies. How this whole thing started. This as
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Speaker 1: Detective ray herm a CEO. They removed some top soil
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Speaker 1: that was right underneath the side, which revealed three large
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Speaker 1: white rocks, flat rocks. Okay, and can you explain for
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Speaker 1: the court how those rocks were oriented in a row?
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Speaker 1: So there was a large rock, a large rock, and
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Speaker 1: a large rock. Okay, After you observe that, what did
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Speaker 1: you observe? Next? They removed the rocks and it underneath
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Speaker 1: the white rocks was some thin wood paneling. Okay, And
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Speaker 1: what did you observe them do with that paneling? They
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Speaker 1: removed the paneling, okay? And then what did you observe? Initially,
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Speaker 1: as soon as they removed the paneling, I it smelled
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Speaker 1: the odor of a decomposing body. And take a little
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Speaker 1: bit more of a listen to the detective. Listen once
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Speaker 1: that was discovered, what did the ar what did you
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Speaker 1: observe the arteam to excuse me, what did you observe
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Speaker 1: the ARTAM team do? They continued to just work around
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Speaker 1: the head that was exposed, They took pictures, they did
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Speaker 1: whatever their team leader instructed them to do. Okay. Was
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Speaker 1: an item of interest eventually pulled out of that area? Yes?
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Speaker 1: And can you describe what that item of interest looked like?
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Speaker 1: It was a what appeared to be a small body
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Speaker 1: tightly wrapped in black plastic covered in duct team There
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Speaker 1: was also a melted green bucket that appeared to be
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Speaker 1: the burnt flesh from one of the children, and a
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Speaker 1: partial human skull found under the bucket. The remains were
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Speaker 1: placed in a bag and put in the coroner's vehicle.
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Speaker 1: The children's burnt in a green bucket? How did that happen?
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Speaker 1: Joe Scott Morgan. My thought is Nancy that bucket that
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Speaker 1: was found in the ground with Tyley, it's probably a
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Speaker 1: catch basin. You know. Let's keep in mind her body
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Speaker 1: was partially dismembered, and we don't know specifically everything that
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Speaker 1: was kind of dismembered from her body. But I do
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Speaker 1: know this. I think they had an area and I
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Speaker 1: say they is this is a group of people that
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Speaker 1: did this. In my opinion, they had an area where
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Speaker 1: they were dismembering her, and they were trying to catch
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Speaker 1: the blood and maybe some of the tissue, and so
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Speaker 1: in a very quick manner, they took all of that
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Speaker 1: exposed it to heat for at least long enough for
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Speaker 1: that skull to have essentially shattered due to the heat.
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Speaker 1: It was very intense heat, but not it didn't last
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Speaker 1: long enough because they still had remained, so the bucket melt.
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Speaker 1: That's why you're seeing the bucket in there. In my opinion.
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Speaker 1: Now that's Tyley. If we go to JJ, you know,
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Speaker 1: you heard them talking about these flagstones, and you heard
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Speaker 1: them talking about the wood paneling. That suggests that they
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Speaker 1: spent a lot more time with JJ. They even wrapped
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Speaker 1: his body. Tyley wasn't the same, Okay, So these two
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Speaker 1: events have different meanings to them in my opinion. And
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Speaker 1: you know the fact that he was so kind of
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Speaker 1: tightly wound in this plastic and then surrounded. They're talking
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Speaker 1: about a copious a large amount of tape that's securing
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Speaker 1: his body. Yeah, kind of like a mummy. But I
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Speaker 1: don't understand. For me, I don't understand why they took
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Speaker 1: so much time with JJ and not as much time
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Speaker 1: with Tylely. I think I think that there was a
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Speaker 1: lot of hatred directed at her. I think maybe reflectively,
22:56
Speaker 1: like you were saying, maybe she had a big mouth,
23:00
Speaker 1: maybe she ran her mouth to her mama and her mama.
23:03
Speaker 1: Wait wait, wait, wait wait, maybe instead of saying this
23:06
Speaker 1: little girl had a quote big mouth, that she was
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Speaker 1: growing weary of her mother and her cult behavior and
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Speaker 1: taking up with the next man that happened across her path.
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Speaker 1: Maybe this girl was just old enough to know everything
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Speaker 1: this doomsday cult leader Chad day Belle was spewing was
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Speaker 1: a line of bs, and she questioned that maybe she
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Speaker 1: dared to say, Mom, he doesn't make any sense. I
23:39
Speaker 1: remember Nate eaton East Idaho neews dot com. Do you
23:42
Speaker 1: remember one there was a moment when Calt mom Laurie
23:46
Speaker 1: Valo was talking and she said something about Tylely and
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Speaker 1: Tyle's presence and Tyly very calm. He goes, Mom, I
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Speaker 1: am not a zombie. Do you remember that change? I
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Speaker 1: mean for her to answer so matter of fact me, Mom,
24:04
Speaker 1: I'm not a zombie. Obviously that had been discussed before.
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Speaker 1: I don't call him that having a big mouth. Nate
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Speaker 1: Eton as Joe Scott Morgan just did. Yeah exactly. There
24:16
Speaker 1: was a moment where Laurie told Tylie, you've become a
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Speaker 1: zombie and she said, oh, not me, mom, not me too. Also,
24:25
Speaker 1: remember that Tyleie was one of the only witnesses who
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Speaker 1: sat her father shot and killed Charles Valow. She was
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Speaker 1: in the house, so she knew stuff. She knew stuff,
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Speaker 1: and Laurie knew that she knew stuff. You know, doctor
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Speaker 1: Bethany Marshall psycho when I was joining me out of
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Speaker 1: Beverly Hills. We cover child abuse cases, child murder cases
24:43
Speaker 1: all the time. I haven't thought about this case in
24:48
Speaker 1: this fashion, but imagine not so much to Jay Jakes,
24:52
Speaker 1: I don't think you really knew what was going on.
24:54
Speaker 1: But TYLEI being called a zombie by her mother, watching
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Speaker 1: her mother take up with you yet another man that
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Speaker 1: happened to go by and fall under his crazy cult
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Speaker 1: spell spewing all this end of days bs calling her
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Speaker 1: a zombie, completely distracted with being a mom, focusing on
25:16
Speaker 1: nothing but scoring another husband, which she did, I might add,
25:21
Speaker 1: and didn't she just get the prize? But the way
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Speaker 1: she must have treated this young teen girl in the home.
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Speaker 1: Don't you know she resented her so much and couldn't
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Speaker 1: wait to get rid of her daughter. Tyleie was the
25:38
Speaker 1: truth teller. Tyleie was the one who saw through all
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Speaker 1: the bs and saw the reality of who her mother
25:45
Speaker 1: was going to marry. The fallacious nature of this cult.
25:51
Speaker 1: As the panel keeps saying, Tiley knew all. It reminds
25:54
Speaker 1: me of Narcissus who fell in the pool and drowned.
25:57
Speaker 1: We think it's because he was so in love with
25:59
Speaker 1: himself to merge with his image. I once heard from
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Speaker 1: a literature professor that actually his image looking back at
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Speaker 1: him was frightening. He did not want to see himself,
26:09
Speaker 1: so he went to stab his own eyes out in
26:12
Speaker 1: the pool and drowned. So, in other words, what I'm
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Speaker 1: saying is that Tylie saw her mother clearly, and the
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Speaker 1: mother could not tolerate that, so she stabbed out the life,
26:25
Speaker 1: the spirit, the intellect of the one who saw her.
26:29
Speaker 1: What Joe Scott, do you hear, Let her do the
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Speaker 1: analysis and you stick with the forensics, because I don't
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Speaker 1: know that I'm ever going to forgive you for saying
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Speaker 1: Tylie had a big mouth all right, well, hang on now,
26:43
Speaker 1: hang on, let me add one more thing and maybe
26:46
Speaker 1: you can, you know, find some redemption in this for me.
26:52
Speaker 1: Many times with abuse kids, what we'll see as far
26:54
Speaker 1: as trauma goes, is that if the child back talks
26:58
Speaker 1: the mother or the parent or the guard and lots
27:00
Speaker 1: of times, what will happen is that kids will be
27:03
Speaker 1: popped in the mouth repeatedly. You'll see all kinds of
27:06
Speaker 1: mouth related injuries. They'll even do things like salting and
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Speaker 1: peppering the mouth. And I'm talking about like putting stuff
27:12
Speaker 1: in the mouth in order to shut them up. It's
27:15
Speaker 1: almost a metaphor, if you will, if you want to
27:17
Speaker 1: go down this tract of literature analogies. But with her,
27:21
Speaker 1: I'm really wondering. They keep talking about this fractured skull, Nancy,
27:24
Speaker 1: And we don't have all of the information yet, but
27:26
Speaker 1: I wonder, I really wonder if those are not if
27:30
Speaker 1: they're not heat related fractures, could her skull have been
27:34
Speaker 1: crushed and could it have been crushed just out of
27:38
Speaker 1: sheer anger? This is a raged fill event, Nancy. And
27:42
Speaker 1: if she perceived this child as running her mouth and
27:47
Speaker 1: not being quiet, just on and on and on and on,
27:52
Speaker 1: after death, there might be an attempt to destroy her
27:55
Speaker 1: and kind of project this onto her. I really wonder
27:59
Speaker 1: they really do. In Florida, that shot both of her
28:03
Speaker 1: children and shot the teen daughter in the mouth. Remember
28:07
Speaker 1: the husband was away overseas. They were both high ranking
28:12
Speaker 1: in the military, and the mom just didn't want to
28:15
Speaker 1: hear the back talk anymore, shot the daughter in the
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Speaker 1: mouth and shot the sun to cover up because he
28:20
Speaker 1: knew what happened to the daughter. Crime stories with Nancy
28:34
Speaker 1: Grace talking about major developments in the last hours, and
28:39
Speaker 1: here's one of the reason the judge ruled the way
28:42
Speaker 1: he did. Take a listen to a phone call between
28:46
Speaker 1: cult mom Laurie Valo and new husband Chad day Bell. Okay, okay, yeah,
29:03
Speaker 1: m hm right, means we'll be talking to you. Okay.
29:17
Speaker 1: Why are they in the house? Ye? Property? Are they
29:24
Speaker 1: seeing them again? Thank y? You are hearing a phone
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Speaker 1: call between Lorie called mom Laurie Valo and new husband
29:44
Speaker 1: Chad Dave'll take a look. Take a listen to more
29:46
Speaker 1: of this call. And remember she's behind bars during this call.
29:50
Speaker 1: Have you talk to hiding so he knows what they're doing? Yeah? Good,
30:05
Speaker 1: call somebody else. Sometimes I love you so much than
30:11
Speaker 1: I love your trying to call you reader. Um, I
30:17
Speaker 1: don't know, I don't know. Yeah, let's examine what we're hearing.
30:29
Speaker 1: Did you ever notice, um Jackie on the show Cops
30:36
Speaker 1: where there'll be guys sitting on his easy chair watching TV,
30:39
Speaker 1: and all of sudden the cops to come running through
30:41
Speaker 1: in front of him. He just keeps sitting there, drinking
30:42
Speaker 1: his beer. He's laying I surprised at all there were
30:44
Speaker 1: cops running through his house. Well, do you hear these
30:48
Speaker 1: voices to Joseph Marone, Philadelphia criminal defense attorney UM veteran
30:53
Speaker 1: trial lawyer at Marone Law dot com. Joseph, he's not,
30:59
Speaker 1: doesn't sound at all surprise there digging in his backyard. No,
31:04
Speaker 1: he doesn't. I mean, if you listen to this conversation,
31:07
Speaker 1: I mean, it would tell me as a juror that
31:10
Speaker 1: these two are very complacent and very at ease. They're
31:14
Speaker 1: not concerned about the wealthfare of these children. They're just
31:17
Speaker 1: concerned about each other and which will further this conspiracy.
31:21
Speaker 1: You've got to remember, they're charged with the conspiracy of
31:24
Speaker 1: destructing or altering this evidence. And if you've got to
31:27
Speaker 1: take this case as a whole. If you go all
31:29
Speaker 1: the way back from when Chad kind of lured her
31:33
Speaker 1: in and worked her and brought her into this cult,
31:36
Speaker 1: and you follow all the facts of this case, I mean,
31:39
Speaker 1: it shows that they worked in concert to ultimately do
31:43
Speaker 1: what they said they did. And I think what's interesting,
31:46
Speaker 1: what's the most interesting thing here in this case is
31:49
Speaker 1: Alex Cox with Alex Cox, the brother who they have
31:54
Speaker 1: some direct evidence to him being on the property, of
31:56
Speaker 1: him holding the child to sleep, taking the child to
31:59
Speaker 1: the property. You have Lorie with alex multiple times after
32:05
Speaker 1: this event. All those facts are going to show that
32:08
Speaker 1: she worked with Chad in this conspiracy to hide this evidence.
32:12
Speaker 1: It's just and Joe Maroney, Philadelphia criminal defense lawyer. On
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Speaker 1: another occasion, she referred to Alex Cox as her avenging angel.
32:22
Speaker 1: She told her then husband, I have an avenging angel
32:27
Speaker 1: here to deal with you if you show up talking
32:30
Speaker 1: about her brother, Alexie, who did shoot Yes, yes, Jose
32:35
Speaker 1: ultimately did shoot the husband dead and then claimed self defense.
32:40
Speaker 1: So apparently he did it again with the children with
32:44
Speaker 1: her full knowledge. And what I'm saying, I mean, wouldn't
32:48
Speaker 1: you expect doctor Bethany Marshall for the I mean, if
32:51
Speaker 1: I saw cops digging up my backyard, I'd go out
32:54
Speaker 1: there and go, what are you doing? Why are you
32:57
Speaker 1: died up this dress? Nancy? That's exactly what you would do.
33:03
Speaker 1: You know what this reminds me of is Casey Anthony.
33:07
Speaker 1: Her mom calls, is trying to pin her down on
33:10
Speaker 1: where a little Kayley is, and she's like, mom, Mom,
33:14
Speaker 1: what's happening with my boyfriend? That's all she cares about.
33:18
Speaker 1: It is the boyfriend. It's your love interest, the bonds
33:21
Speaker 1: person that was in the home. I found out later
33:24
Speaker 1: after she first made bond. She gets home instead of
33:27
Speaker 1: asking one thing about Kelly, Tomm goes, hey, Mom, must
33:31
Speaker 1: for supper? Anyway to Nate Eaton, I've got telecommunications expert
33:36
Speaker 1: being Levitan with me. Nate, could you tell me the
33:39
Speaker 1: significance of the GPS information and why these two are
33:43
Speaker 1: going to be tried together because of it? And then
33:46
Speaker 1: being loveaty, I can explain the significance. Well, Chad's phone call,
33:52
Speaker 1: will you please stop calling him by his first name
33:54
Speaker 1: like your best friends mister day Bell, Chad day Bell,
33:58
Speaker 1: day Bell, thank you, go ahead, spent it. He sent
34:02
Speaker 1: a text message to his wife Cammy the day that
34:05
Speaker 1: police believed Tyley was buried, and he said, an interesting day,
34:11
Speaker 1: I'm summarizing here. I just shot a raccoon in the
34:13
Speaker 1: yard and buried him in the pet cemetery. A fun times. Well,
34:18
Speaker 1: the day that that text message was sent, police went
34:21
Speaker 1: to Alex Cox's phone. His GPS was on, so they
34:24
Speaker 1: were able to get the exact GPS location, and they
34:28
Speaker 1: pinned his GPS to that pet cemetery where Chad had
34:31
Speaker 1: said he buried the raccoon. But now we know that
34:34
Speaker 1: Tylie's body was buried there. Ben Levitan Telecommunications expert joining
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Speaker 1: me out of Raleigh at ben Levitan dot com. Ben,
34:43
Speaker 1: How precise is that type GPS tracking on phones? One
34:50
Speaker 1: hundred and fifty feet Nancy, And in an area, an
34:54
Speaker 1: open area like Idaho, it's going to be extremely accurate,
34:59
Speaker 1: probably get you down thirty feet or so. All right,
35:02
Speaker 1: So when you call nine one, you know, in there
35:05
Speaker 1: in downtown Atlanta, you get all these buildings and things
35:08
Speaker 1: up around you. Often they can't get a good GPS
35:11
Speaker 1: on you. But I would say they probably had Alex's
35:15
Speaker 1: phone with him thirty feet of where he really was.
35:20
Speaker 1: So if we've got Alex's phone there. Could we also
35:25
Speaker 1: GPS locate the coltster Chad Dayvil's phone and place him
35:31
Speaker 1: there as well. I mean, I know what Nate Eatan
35:33
Speaker 1: just said, and he's right again from East Idaho News
35:37
Speaker 1: dot Com. That Chad day Bill then makes that crazy
35:42
Speaker 1: phone call text message to his then living wife Tammy, saying, oh,
35:46
Speaker 1: I shot a raccoon today and buried it at the
35:49
Speaker 1: pet cemetery. That's strong enough for me. But what about
35:54
Speaker 1: locating his phone by GPS? No, See, that's a misconception.
36:00
Speaker 1: When you are using yourself phone, you're connected up to
36:03
Speaker 1: the closest self tower and a cell tower simply a
36:06
Speaker 1: radio station. And in Idaho, that radio station goes out
36:10
Speaker 1: about five miles in every direction. We cannot place him
36:14
Speaker 1: in an area. We can place him in an area
36:17
Speaker 1: that's within five miles of that self tower, and Nancy,
36:20
Speaker 1: that's what Alex Cox down to thirty feet, but not
36:25
Speaker 1: Chad day bel okay, Because the records that police are
36:29
Speaker 1: using are called call detail records. Every time you make
36:34
Speaker 1: a call, receive a call, send and receive texas, the
36:37
Speaker 1: phone company only keeps records of the self tower to
36:41
Speaker 1: which you were connected. In the case of Alex, we
36:45
Speaker 1: had his GPS active. Okay, the records that are kept
36:51
Speaker 1: in the normal cars of business, Nancy buy the phone
36:54
Speaker 1: companies only show the call parties who called to what
37:00
Speaker 1: they did in this case a text message, and to
37:03
Speaker 1: which cell tower he was connected at that time. So
37:07
Speaker 1: as a cell tower there is a little radio station,
37:11
Speaker 1: it goes out five miles in every direction. So how
37:13
Speaker 1: big is that? Let's see, that's like a seventy five
37:17
Speaker 1: square mile area. Because they can't go back and triangulate
37:20
Speaker 1: his phone location, absolutely not. Then how did they do
37:27
Speaker 1: that property? How did they eating? Go ahead? Nate the
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Speaker 1: f from where I understand, the FBI had Alex's phone
37:37
Speaker 1: after he died. After he died in December, they had
37:40
Speaker 1: his and they processed that phone for months. That's why
37:45
Speaker 1: it took police so long to go and find the bodies.
37:48
Speaker 1: The sad past the months and months they were waiting
37:50
Speaker 1: on that. Why can't they do that with Davil's phone.
37:53
Speaker 1: I don't know if they've done that with Chad Davil's home,
37:55
Speaker 1: so they may be doing that. Well, Bill out of
37:58
Speaker 1: a tan, you just taught me something I did know
38:00
Speaker 1: about tracking phones for right now, these two are going
38:04
Speaker 1: to stew in the same pot in front of a jury.
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Speaker 1: But as Nate Eaten from East Idaho News predicts, I
38:10
Speaker 1: think there will be more charges, including murder charges. We
38:14
Speaker 1: wait as justice unfolds in the case I've called Mom,
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Speaker 1: Laurie Vallo and her brand new hubby, Chad day Bell,
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Speaker 1: Nancy Grace Crime story signing off goodbye friend,