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#BrettKeane Jews and Muslims Vs Jesus Christ Nature · Brett Keane and Eve Show

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  Hello, ladies and gentlemen, my name is, Brett came from God TV
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  radio. I hope you're all having a
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  blessed day Christmas is coming up as well as New Year's Eve.
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  It is exciting. I hope you all get everything
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  that you ever wished for and desired.
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  Amen to that. I have watched many videos out
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  there with Jews and Muslims, and one of the biggest arguments
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  that they use, is that it's not logical.
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  Able to state that God would come down to the Earth and human
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  flesh. Basically, the argument goes
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  like this, God doesn't need to do that.
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  He doesn't need to do something that is unnecessary.
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  Why would God take apart a physical form in order to be
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  crucified and also interact with the human race when he has
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  millions of different infinite ways of being able to
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  communicate? With the human race.
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  There's been non believers out there who've asked similar
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  questions like that as well. They say, if God has all this
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  power, then why doesn't he just forgive?
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  Why doesn't he just why all the fireworks, all the excitement
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  and all this? And it's a valid question.
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  I have nothing but respect for Jews as well as Muslims, but I
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  do realize is a lot of Jews out there who are still waiting.
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  Waiting for the second coming, they're still waiting for the
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  Messiah to make his return. They don't believe that.
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  Jesus Christ actually had anything to do it.
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  They see him as a prophet, they see him as a great teacher, but
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  they don't see him as Divinity or Divine, and it's very
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  strange. Because before I make my
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  argument, I want to say, I find it unusual that the Muslims
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  would have such a hard time with this because and their very own
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  book, the Quran, they believe that Jesus is going to return,
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  they believe in the whole apocalypse and of the world, and
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  they actually believe that Jesus Christ is the one that's going
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  to lead, the army of the Saints and the prophets to pick them up
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  whenever the world ends They don't really get into the whole
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  wording or labels such as Rapture like Christians do, but
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  they do believe that righteousness and Justice will
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  come from God. And of course, they refer to God
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  as Allah but Allah just simply means God anyway, in their
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  language, what? A lot of Christians may not know
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  whom have never read the Quran. As a great deal of the book, has
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  a lot of Of the same stories as the Old Testament, you're going
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  to find most of the profits, you'll find the story of Adam
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  and Eve, you'll find the story that is mentioned in the New
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  Testament, about the Virgin Mary, you're going to find the
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  story of Moses. There are some interactions that
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  happen with Moses that are not in the Bible such as an
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  instance, where Moses is actually struck with lightning
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  and killed for a moment, temporarily until God.
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  Actually resurrects Moses. That's not in the original Old
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  Testament Bible, but the Quran has that story for those out
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  there who may not have read it. Some of you out there whether
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  you're Christian or Jewish or not, if you haven't taken the
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  time to read the Quran, you probably should.
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  It's It's an interesting. I look at it whenever I read a
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  holy book outside the Bible or I study up another religion, I
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  don't get offended or bothered. In fact, I'm I feel like it
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  enhances my perception and my view because what you're doing
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  is you're Listening and paying attention to someone else's
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  perspective and their walk with God.
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  And whether you call yourself Muslim Jew or Christian, I
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  believe that. We all have our own unique walk
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  with God. When God says he wants a
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  personal relationship with this. I believe every personal
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  relationship God has with us is Custom Tailor Made that were not
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  to Christians are going to walk the same walk not to Muslims are
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  going to The same walk. Same with Jews.
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  I think you're all going to be at a different level and point
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  in your understanding and your presentation with God, but let
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  me explain to the Jews. And the Muslims Wyatt, is that
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  the argument that the idea of God coming down, as flesh, is
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  ridiculous. I've actually heard Jews use
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  this word. It's ridiculous to believe that
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  God Would come down as a finite man who has vulnerabilities and
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  would allow himself to be crucified.
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  That's their belief and the Muslims.
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  They have a story of crucifixion, but they don't
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  believe it was Jesus Christ. It was actually crucified and
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  they still argue just as a Jews do that.
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  It just doesn't make any sense to them.
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  It floors, emits surprises them. The idea that anybody would Hold
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  to the concept. Muslims find them, self
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  constantly arguing along with Jews about Concepts, such as the
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  trinity. Now I can easily refute the
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  argument on why it's necessary and also why it is that Jesus
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  Christ is God and why he it's very possible for him to do
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  this. In fact, it's 100% possible why
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  God would be motivated and intend on doing that.
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  Now, if the Muslims and the Jews could be, so kind and you would
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  roll back into the Old Testament.
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  We were just mentioning Moses. If you remember, Moses had many
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  conversations with God. That's very clear in the Quran,
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  as well as the Old Testament the Torah.
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  So, there's a point in the Bible where God speaks from the sky
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  and he speaks through visions and he also allows himself to be
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  physically seen Seen from a side angle by Moses, but there's
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  something that for some reason, a lot of people end up
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  forgetting even though this is taught to children in Sunday
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  school. How many of you remember, the
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  story of the book, The Burning Bush, where Moses comes up on
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  the burning bush and God manifest himself as a physical
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  representation of the bush. Did God need to do that?
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  In order to communicate with Moses?
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  No, he did. Not.
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  Was it necessary for him to make himself into a blazing Bush?
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  Who could carry on a conversation with Moses?
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  No good. Not why did he do it?
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  According to the Bible, it was his intent and his motivation
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  for whatever reason that this was the physical presentation
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  that he would give himself the embodiment Aunt, in order to
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  speak a message to Moses. Now if we remember God according
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  to the Bible, whether you believe in the New Testament or
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  Old Testament, God tells us that his time is different than our
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  own to come down. As a man would be like mere
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  seconds to him. A human life is nothing more
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  than a blink of an eye. It's more.
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  It's like a second and the universe for the perspective of
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  an entity. An omniscient, powerful Superior
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  entity such as God. But here you have it in the Old
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  Testament and it's not just a burning bush.
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  There are several times where God will speak through animals.
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  There's God speaking through, many different ways.
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  God also sends physical manifestations of men, Angels
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  looking like actual men in order to deliver his messages for him.
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  So yeah, I don't understand that this point when you know this,
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  when you know that God has taken on all these different physical
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  Nature's and he's also used external profits as well as
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  Angels whenever that technically if you think about it isn't
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  necessary, since God has the power to do everything without
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  anybody's help or requirement. To say that God wouldn't do that
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  because it's not necessary. It's like saying well because
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  God so powerful, then it wouldn't make sense for him to
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  send an angel or a messenger or talk to an animal.
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  Do you see what I mean? So I feel like at this point,
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  not to, within the Muslims, are the Jews on this.
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  I feel like you've been absolutely refuted and this
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  argument, you've been destroyed in this intellectual argument.
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  And I think the best thing to do now is to reconsider and reflect
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  To yourself what it is really Ponder, what your position and
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  what your belief in God actually is because for all these years
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  for the Jews out there and Muslims, who denied the nature
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  and Divinity of Jesus Christ, you're basically saying that a
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  great deal of these books, just don't make sense to you.
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  It's nothing more than a circle inside of the square or vice
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  versa. Now, that I've given you You
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  this full learn information that, you know, all too.
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  Well, these are old ancient stories where God does this.
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  There's no reason to continue to hold the idea that it's stupid
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  or ridiculous to believe that God is capable and will do
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  things, whether you think that it's right or wrong or think,
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  it's necessary. Doesn't matter God's going to do
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  things the way he wants to? It's God's Universe.
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  God is going to And duck has Universe the way he sees fit.
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  Well, ladies and gentlemen, I hope you all have a blessed day.
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  Assalamualaikum waalaikumsalam. So Mike, so being a Muslim as
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  you can already. Imagine my main problem is with
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  the Christian doctrine of godhood of Jesus.
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  So my there is a couple of questions to related.
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  First of all, I find this concept logically fallacious
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  like there are many aspects to its logical fallacy, as in maybe
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  one of them could be the, how can God be finite?
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  Right. And then infinite at the same
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  time like this is like, it's like saying that they could
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  exist a square circle. It's logical fallacy, right?
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  So when we say that Jesus was God or Son of God, we are
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  actually saying that God existed infinitude during the life of
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  Jesus. And he also is infinite the same
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  time. This is a logical fallacious now
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  because you are like you're coming from a historical statue
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  of you to respond to that or you have, it's a real Like the same
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  question continuing so because you're going at it, from a
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  historical standpoint. Another thing that adds like the
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  historical evidence that adds like that supports this argument
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  is that the concept of Trinity, the word Trinity itself, it
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  doesn't appear as a theological term till near the end of the
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  second century after Jesus. So it was first used by as try a
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  spy Theophilus, the bishop of Antioch in ad 180 so we can I
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  like adding up to that. When you refer to Mark Chapter
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  14 verse 62, which is what you say, is, the proof that Jesus
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  claimed to be God. Are you really applying the same
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  criteria of objectivity that you are applying previously to the
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  Quran? When interpreting this, as
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  meaning, that Jesus is claiming himself to be God, because if
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  you like look at it, completely objectively looking at the
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  entire text, like there is nothing.
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  Thing in the entire text. That's that's saying that Jesus
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  claimed to be God. And in fact, the verse that you
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  yourself code is actually saying, son of man.
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  So I mean question, don't go anywhere.
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  What's your name? Moons are 10 way from.
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  I'm from Pakistan, Pakistan, both Russia, who have similar K.
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  I have the exact same questions when I was when I when I
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  practice Islam, What I want to point out, is that first and
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  foremost, what we have to see is what Jesus claimed for himself
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  now, the secondary stuff that follows the theological
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  unfolding or unpacking of what he said, we can spend years and
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  years debating what it means. But what did he say about
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  himself? That's the first thing we want
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  to look at. So again that's a historical
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  perspective. Theologians argue all day long
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  back and forth, back and forth, you know, theologians argue all
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  the time and I just sit back and watch and smile because you
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  can't really prove it one way or another, but when it Comes to
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  historical events, we can show with relative degrees of
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  certainty. If the evidence is good, if the
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  records are good, what they most likely conclusion is.
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  So first, and let me give you an answer before if you feel like
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  interjecting we can talk afterwards.
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  First, I want to point out you are absolutely right.
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  The term Trinity is not used to the end of the second century.
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  What is the doctrine of God called in the Quran?
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  In Islam. What is the doctrine of God
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  called? He thought?
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  He'd is that in the Quran. I know the word that he is a
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  derived word, from Allah, alhamdulillah is good.
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  So you understand the word thought he'd is not itself in
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  the Quran. In the same way the word Trinity
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  is not itself in the Bible, this doesn't pose a problem.
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  The shahada is not found in the Quran.
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  You have the components of the shahada in the Quran that you do
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  not. Hold on.
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  You do not have La ilaha illallah, muhammadur rasulullah
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  in that way. Found in the Quran, the
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  component:, the components are found in the Quran with the
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  Trinity. The components are found in the
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  Bible. So the word do he does appear in
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  the Hadith, that's great, but it's not in the Quran and the
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  Hadith is much later. So we're looking at the you
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  asked for the Bible and we have within the early canonical
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  tradition people calling a god a trinity in the early canonical
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  tradition in fact much closer to Jesus time then the Hadith were
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  to Muhammad's time so whichever way you stack it when you're
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  consistent you end up with a stronger case for the Trinity
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  for This deity. Now I want to continue on to
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  your next part of your question, which is, is Jesus finite or
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  infinite? The argument is that Jesus is,
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  you know, I'm trying to pose in a slightly different way.
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  Can Allah come on to this world if he wants?
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  Can he be in this world if he wants?
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  I wouldn't think so, you wouldn't think so.
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  So so Allah is omnipotence is limited.
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  He can't come on to this world. It's like basically you a lot
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  that I cannot do logically Felicia sing, like, he cannot
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  create a square circle, right? Because that's that's something.
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  Logically for how do we transfer the things that a lot?
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  A lot. How do we know that's what this
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  is? Because for example in Surah
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  al-e-imran. When Allah is talking to Moses,
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  it says in Surah, al-imran I think it's what Elena might be
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  sort of 18 but double check. That Allah as he spoke to Moses
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  Allah was in the bush. Allah was in the bush.
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  So if you want to say that meant something else.
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  So you're going to have to argue with the Quran on that one.
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  It seems to be pretty clear that Allah can emanate his voice from
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  a physical place, he can be in a physical place.
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  In a sense in the same way. We don't believe, I don't
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  believe that God coming to this earth limits his omnipotence.
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  It's not a limitation of his omnipotence.
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  Jesus has taken on flesh. God, the father still
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  everywhere. Jesus, the sun is here on this
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  Earth. It's a limitation in that sense
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  but it's not a limitation of his nature.
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  He is both the Divine and human nature.
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  That's the argument. Now I want to talk about briefly
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  and then we're going to have to go to the next question.
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  But let's talk afterwards for sure.
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  You asked about the son of man, you said he's not calling
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  himself, the Son of God, he's calling himself, the son of man,
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  I'm emphasizing to you my friend when this hit me again, while I
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  was practicing Islam. When this hit me, it hit me like
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  a bolt of lightning. The claim, Son of God.
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  God. According to Jews at that time
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  was not anything Divine. Adam was called the Son of God.
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  Solomon was called the Son of God in the Psalms it says, you
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  are Gods. It's not a Divine claim to call
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  someone a Son of God. But when someone refers to that,
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  son of man coming on the Clouds Of Heaven, who's going to
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  receive Glory Authority, and Sovereign power, and people of
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  every nation and language are going to worship him with the
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  worship due only to God. That son of man is more than
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  just a human. He is divine, he's going to be
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  worshipped by all people of all times.
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  So when Jesus calls himself, the son of man, he's not, it's not
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  the Son of God title and lots of Christians get this wrong.
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  So I'm not I'm not pointing the finger at you.
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  Lots of Christians, say o, son of man means he's human and Son
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  of God means he's got no. It's the other way around into
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  the Jewish context. Son of God was a normal human
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  title, son of man from Daniel 7. That was something Divine.
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  Go back and read. Daniel chapter 7, see that this
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  man is worshiped by all people from all eternity.
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  This man, One who looks like a human anyway is worshiped by all
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  people alongside of God. The father.
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  That's the one Jesus is claiming to be definitely understand that
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  point that I'm trying to make. And so when you see that Jesus
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  claimed is found there and Mark 1462 it's found in all the
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  gospels. And every time Jesus uses the
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  term son of, man, he's alluding to that.
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  You cannot extract that from the gospels.
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  So please put Mark 1462 next, to Daniel chapter 7 and see what
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  Jesus is claiming for himself and we'll talk afterwards for
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  the rest. Lord bless you, my friend.
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  We'll take one last question. We'll take one last question.