Latest / Wired To Hunt Podcast / Ep. 1015: Foundations - The Deer Don't Beat Us as Often as Our Brains Do
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- 0:01Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wired to Hunt Foundations podcast, your guide
- 0:05Speaker 1: to the fundamentals of better deer hunting, presented by first Light,
- 0:09Speaker 1: creating proven versatile hunting apparel for the stand, saddle or blind.
- 0:14Speaker 1: First Light, Go Farther, Stay Longer, and now your host
- 0:19Speaker 1: Tony Peterson.
- 0:20Speaker 2: Everyone, welcome to the Wired to Hunt Foundation's podcast, which
- 0:22Speaker 2: is brought to you by first Light.
- 0:24Speaker 3: I'm your host, Sony Peterson.
- 0:25Speaker 2: In today's episode is all about how difficult deer hunting
- 0:28Speaker 2: often is and what we can do to make it
- 0:31Speaker 2: a little bit easier in a way that you probably
- 0:33Speaker 2: don't expect. The impetus for this podcast came from explaining
- 0:43Speaker 2: shed hunting to my daughters.
- 0:45Speaker 3: If you can believe that, well you should, because it's true.
- 0:48Speaker 2: When it comes to white tail hunting, I find myself
- 0:50Speaker 2: constantly stuck between explaining what are simple concepts but that
- 0:53Speaker 2: don't play out in the real world very easily or simply.
- 0:56Speaker 2: Most of the time, there's a hard truth about white
- 0:59Speaker 2: tail hunting that will a lot of us don't really
- 1:00Speaker 2: want to acknowledge, but it's tied to a greater aspect
- 1:03Speaker 2: of light. Now, if you go back a couple of
- 1:05Speaker 2: weeks and listen to an episode that I did with
- 1:07Speaker 2: Mark on our regular Ware to Hunt podcast. You're going
- 1:10Speaker 2: to hear all about this, but I'm also going to
- 1:12Speaker 2: break it down in more detail right now so we
- 1:15Speaker 2: can understand how to literally retrain our brains to be
- 1:19Speaker 2: better not only at white tail hunting, but a whole
- 1:21Speaker 2: lot of stuff. Have you ever noticed how the people
- 1:30Speaker 2: who seem to be able to do difficult things can
- 1:33Speaker 2: often do a variety of difficult things. I thought about
- 1:37Speaker 2: this at Mediator recently when I was thinking about how
- 1:39Speaker 2: many of my co workers have authored books. Now, I've
- 1:42Speaker 2: written a handful, and while they can be enjoyable at times,
- 1:46Speaker 2: it's also just a grind in a lot of ways,
- 1:48Speaker 2: especially once the rough draft is complete and it's time
- 1:51Speaker 2: to get down to the nitty gritty parts. But then
- 1:54Speaker 2: it occurred to me that a hell of a lot
- 1:55Speaker 2: of my coworkers who also have written books, you know,
- 1:59Speaker 2: they're also in good shape, and a lot of them
- 2:01Speaker 2: play instruments. That's not an accident. And I haven't even
- 2:05Speaker 2: gotten into the hunting part yet. You see, inside of
- 2:09Speaker 2: our brains is this thing called the anterior mid singular cortex,
- 2:13Speaker 2: which is a region of the brain that is responsible
- 2:16Speaker 2: for helping us overcome difficulty and find motivation, and it
- 2:20Speaker 2: helps us with effort. What's bonkers about this is that
- 2:24Speaker 2: the anterior mid singular cortex can grow or shrink depending
- 2:29Speaker 2: on what you do with yourself, what decisions you make,
- 2:33Speaker 2: the more difficult things you do, things that you don't
- 2:36Speaker 2: want to do, you know, the stuff that feels like
- 2:39Speaker 2: a struggle that helps this region of your brain grow.
- 2:43Speaker 2: If you do fewer things that challenge yourself and feel
- 2:46Speaker 2: like a struggle, that part of the brain's gonna shrink.
- 2:50Speaker 2: Our brains evolve to conserve energy and keep us safe.
- 2:54Speaker 2: And this is a part of the reason why we
- 2:56Speaker 2: resist discomfort so much. But we need it and if
- 3:00Speaker 2: we use it correctly, it helps us. Now, I'm not
- 3:03Speaker 2: going to go full David Goggins here, but pay attention
- 3:07Speaker 2: to this because it's important. The more you push yourself
- 3:10Speaker 2: through discomfort, the more you'll be able to push yourself
- 3:13Speaker 2: through discomfort. Struggle that scares us off leads to more
- 3:18Speaker 2: struggle that will scare us off. When it comes to
- 3:21Speaker 2: dieting or exercise, or killing public land white tails or
- 3:25Speaker 2: saving up for that dream out hunt. We mostly fail.
- 3:29Speaker 2: Yet the people who figure out how to get through
- 3:32Speaker 2: just one of those things are more likely to get
- 3:35Speaker 2: through all of them. This is intuitive if you pay
- 3:38Speaker 2: attention to the people in your life, but also no accident.
- 3:42Speaker 2: It's not that those people start with more willpower or
- 3:45Speaker 2: discipline or have some secret genetic code that others just
- 3:49Speaker 2: don't possess. It's that they work through struggle and discomfort,
- 3:54Speaker 2: and their brains changed to allow them to keep working
- 3:58Speaker 2: through struggle and discomfort. People say to me all of
- 4:02Speaker 2: the time that they hate running, so they can't do it.
- 4:07Speaker 2: They think because they see someone like cam Hagn's running
- 4:09Speaker 2: all of the time, that he must love it. They
- 4:12Speaker 2: say that to me as well, but they're wrong. I
- 4:15Speaker 2: freaking hate running. I rarely, rarely look forward to it,
- 4:20Speaker 2: but I never regret it when I'm finished. It's always
- 4:24Speaker 2: worth it. That's not something I was born with. It's
- 4:28Speaker 2: just a product of forcing myself to lace up my
- 4:30Speaker 2: on clouds and go when I don't want to, which
- 4:33Speaker 2: is pretty much every time. And that last part matters
- 4:38Speaker 2: a lot. If you want to make your anterior mid
- 4:41Speaker 2: singulate cortex grow, you have to do things that you
- 4:45Speaker 2: don't want to do. If you wake up and you
- 4:48Speaker 2: absolutely love everything about going for a run.
- 4:51Speaker 3: It doesn't work.
- 4:52Speaker 2: That's not a bad thing, mind you, that'd be great,
- 4:54Speaker 2: but it's not going to help you get through other
- 4:57Speaker 2: unrelated difficult tasks. Do you know what is a pretty
- 5:01Speaker 2: difficult task that we are constantly trying to make easier
- 5:03Speaker 2: for ourselves. Yep, golf, Just kidding. It's deer hunting. The
- 5:09Speaker 2: problem with deer hunting, at least in today's world, is
- 5:12Speaker 2: that it looks just like getting in shape, or running
- 5:15Speaker 2: one hundred mile mountain marathons, or climbing some building in
- 5:18Speaker 2: Taiwan while Netflix's film crew follows you up.
- 5:22Speaker 3: We are constantly.
- 5:23Speaker 2: Exposed to the people who have already cracked the code
- 5:26Speaker 2: for doing difficult stuff. And when they do difficult stuff,
- 5:30Speaker 2: it not only looks easy to us, but they're also
- 5:32Speaker 2: trying to make it look easy. But it's not easy
- 5:35Speaker 2: to us, and there is often a huge disparity there
- 5:39Speaker 2: in the realm of deer hunting. It makes it look
- 5:41Speaker 2: like there is a secret strategy or some type of
- 5:44Speaker 2: tactic that will just take us from not being big
- 5:46Speaker 2: buck killers to being big buck killers, but it doesn't
- 5:50Speaker 2: work that way. The people who are in really great
- 5:53Speaker 2: shape who also learn how to play guitar and who
- 5:56Speaker 2: also can kill public land bull elk every season, aren't
- 5:59Speaker 2: capable of that stuff simply because they are built different
- 6:02Speaker 2: from most folks. It's that they actively pursue difficult things.
- 6:07Speaker 2: So much of natural talent, which definitely exists, is just
- 6:11Speaker 2: a reflection of this reality. And don't get me wrong,
- 6:16Speaker 2: deer hunting for the vast majority of hunters is difficult,
- 6:20Speaker 2: so difficult that they often don't fill tags, and when
- 6:24Speaker 2: you break it down to who kills big bucks and
- 6:26Speaker 2: who doesn't, that number shrinks further. Look, this can be
- 6:30Speaker 2: hacked through enough money or a banging spot, which I've
- 6:34Speaker 2: talked about plenty, but for most folks who don't have
- 6:36Speaker 2: access to either or both, this is not an easy
- 6:40Speaker 2: thing to do, which is a huge reason and why
- 6:43Speaker 2: we love it now. I've killed some really big bucks
- 6:46Speaker 2: in my life on various hunts, and I can tell
- 6:48Speaker 2: you they were fun, really fun, but they didn't mean
- 6:51Speaker 2: that much to me. In fact, the buck that has
- 6:54Speaker 2: been my favorite in a hell of a lot of
- 6:56Speaker 2: seasons is the eight pointer I killed in Wisconsin last year,
- 6:59Speaker 2: because it took me eighteen seasons over there to finally
- 7:02Speaker 2: kill a legit pope and young buck. I could write
- 7:05Speaker 2: a book about my struggles just in that one county,
- 7:08Speaker 2: and eventually might just do that for the hell of it.
- 7:11Speaker 2: I've killed other bucks, you know, in Nebraska and Illinois
- 7:14Speaker 2: and Iowa and Texas and a handful of states that
- 7:16Speaker 2: didn't challenge me hardly at all. And while they were
- 7:19Speaker 2: all fun and there were lessons I took away with each,
- 7:23Speaker 2: none of them felt like that Wisconsin buck. Struggle, in
- 7:27Speaker 2: a weird way, is our friend. Not because it keeps
- 7:30Speaker 2: us from success, which it does, but because if we
- 7:33Speaker 2: just do what we need to anyway, struggle rewires our
- 7:37Speaker 2: brain to do difficult stuff more easily. Now you might
- 7:40Speaker 2: be thinking, sweet dude, but what do I have to
- 7:43Speaker 2: do to be able to embrace discomfort and eventually become
- 7:46Speaker 2: the mighty white hunter that you are. Well, science has
- 7:49Speaker 2: pretty much figured this out, which is good news, and
- 7:52Speaker 2: it starts with negotiation. Think about how often you've had
- 7:56Speaker 2: an opportunity to hunt outside of the rut or pre
- 7:58Speaker 2: rut October tenth and you've sat there in your office
- 8:02Speaker 2: or on the job site and thought, is it worth.
- 8:05Speaker 3: It to go sit tonight?
- 8:07Speaker 2: The wind is out of the west, so I could
- 8:08Speaker 2: sit this stand or this blind. Then imagine how easy
- 8:12Speaker 2: it is to say to yourself, but it is the lull.
- 8:14Speaker 3: It's not right.
- 8:15Speaker 2: The bucks aren't going to move, and my odds are
- 8:17Speaker 2: really low, So you don't go. You're negotiating with yourself
- 8:21Speaker 2: to reach a conclusion you already wanted to reach because
- 8:24Speaker 2: you thought going out wouldn't result in a dead big buck.
- 8:28Speaker 2: So it's just better to not go. A better way
- 8:30Speaker 2: to look at this would be I have the evening
- 8:33Speaker 2: to go hunting, to go do the thing I love
- 8:35Speaker 2: more than anything in the world. Here are the conditions,
- 8:38Speaker 2: and now I'm going to solve for how to hunt
- 8:40Speaker 2: where a big buck might go in them. Then you
- 8:44Speaker 2: go hunting. You probably won't kill a big one, but
- 8:48Speaker 2: getting over that mental hurdle and sneaking in with a
- 8:51Speaker 2: saddle or a hang on or building a natural blind
- 8:53Speaker 2: and trying is the thing that matters the most. Sometimes
- 8:57Speaker 2: you kill big bucks that way. Also, not negotiating yourself
- 9:01Speaker 2: out of hunting because it will be easier to not go,
- 9:05Speaker 2: that one evening on stand or in blind will generally
- 9:10Speaker 2: always be worth it. It's a small meaningful step on
- 9:14Speaker 2: the path to becoming the kind of deer hunter who
- 9:16Speaker 2: will go when the going probably sucks. It's a small step,
- 9:21Speaker 2: but it's important because small steps are the way you
- 9:23Speaker 2: level up and rewire your brain. This is something I
- 9:37Speaker 2: can't stress enough. But we are sold this process or
- 9:41Speaker 2: this strategy, or this big wholesale change to finally be
- 9:44Speaker 2: super skinny or be able to bench three hundred pounds
- 9:47Speaker 2: or kill public land bucks every season. But the big
- 9:50Speaker 2: moves don't stick usually, And anyone who has gone from
- 9:53Speaker 2: no exercise for years to trying to work out six
- 9:56Speaker 2: days a week knows how hard it is to mentally
- 9:58Speaker 2: get there.
- 9:59Speaker 3: It's damn I'm near impossible.
- 10:02Speaker 2: Baby steps matter, and just going out during the lull
- 10:05Speaker 2: when you know for a fact you won't see a
- 10:07Speaker 2: big one, is a huge step. And what I learned
- 10:09Speaker 2: from that is that if I hunt the lull enough,
- 10:12Speaker 2: I almost always see big ones, and I often kill them,
- 10:16Speaker 2: sometimes on public land, likely because most folks negotiated themselves
- 10:20Speaker 2: out of hunting, and the dear no damn well when
- 10:23Speaker 2: fewer hunters are in the woods with them and they
- 10:25Speaker 2: move more. Another way to look at this is the
- 10:28Speaker 2: all day sit thing most hunters won't do it because
- 10:31Speaker 2: it's too big of an ask for them, So go
- 10:33Speaker 2: sit an extra hour. If you usually would leave the
- 10:37Speaker 2: woods at ten am, figure out a way to just
- 10:40Speaker 2: sit until eleven. Or if you'd usually go out at
- 10:43Speaker 2: two pm for the evening sit, go at one. You're
- 10:46Speaker 2: doing a small thing you don't want to. But when
- 10:50Speaker 2: you get in at one and a buck eventually cruises
- 10:53Speaker 2: by at one point fifteen, the next time you can hunt,
- 10:56Speaker 2: you'll have your happy ass in that stand at twelve thirty.
- 10:59Speaker 3: There is also a very.
- 11:01Speaker 2: GoGG andesque component of this whole thing as well, which
- 11:04Speaker 2: involves not viewing the struggle as painful but instead as growth.
- 11:09Speaker 2: I know this is kind of woo woo, but think
- 11:11Speaker 2: about how your attitude shapes the enjoyment of your hunts.
- 11:15Speaker 2: If you go out and expect to see nothing, your
- 11:18Speaker 2: effort and results will generally reflect that. That's because we
- 11:22Speaker 2: set the bar too high, and instead should view it
- 11:25Speaker 2: not as pass or fail depending on a big buck encounter,
- 11:28Speaker 2: but pass or failed depending on whether we tried something
- 11:31Speaker 2: new and saw it through. I'd rather blank on a
- 11:35Speaker 2: hunt and learn something, then skip a hunt and feel
- 11:38Speaker 2: like I did a good job by literally not doing
- 11:40Speaker 2: the thing I love the most in the world. I
- 11:43Speaker 2: look at this kind of thing like fishing. I'd rather
- 11:46Speaker 2: make more cast than fewer, because the more times I cast,
- 11:49Speaker 2: the more likely it is that I'll catch some fish.
- 11:51Speaker 3: Look.
- 11:51Speaker 2: I know, on paper this all sounds great, but there
- 11:54Speaker 2: is a component of it that is kind of non negotiable.
- 11:57Speaker 3: Setting goals.
- 11:59Speaker 2: I know people grow when they hear that, but goals
- 12:01Speaker 2: are super important. The reason I run so much, or
- 12:05Speaker 2: at least the thing that keeps me accountable, is that
- 12:08Speaker 2: I set yearly goals for miles. When I turned forty,
- 12:11Speaker 2: a buddy and I both set a running goal of
- 12:13Speaker 2: one thousand miles for the year. That was a lot
- 12:15Speaker 2: more miles than a year than I'd ever run, and
- 12:18Speaker 2: it took me a seven mile er on New Year's
- 12:20Speaker 2: even a blizzard to cross that threshold, but I did
- 12:24Speaker 2: cross it, And ever since then, I've set a yearly goal.
- 12:27Speaker 2: And it's not something I dread, but something I used
- 12:30Speaker 2: to keep myself honest. I know this shit sounds hokey,
- 12:34Speaker 2: but it works. But it only really works once you
- 12:37Speaker 2: train your brain that you will keep doing something difficult
- 12:39Speaker 2: until you're done. Now, with white tails, we all kind
- 12:43Speaker 2: of set goals, even if they're loose goals, but they're
- 12:46Speaker 2: generally based around the wrong thing. We go I killed
- 12:50Speaker 2: a one thirty five last year, so I want something
- 12:52Speaker 2: bigger this year. Or I killed a six pointer last
- 12:56Speaker 2: year and now I want something that's seven or eight
- 12:58Speaker 2: points or more, or you know, I want a five
- 13:00Speaker 2: year old buck, and anything younger gets a pass. Look,
- 13:04Speaker 2: if you have that money spot, this might be all
- 13:06Speaker 2: you need to do because you're hunting. Isn't all that
- 13:08Speaker 2: difficult and the formula is easy to follow. But for
- 13:11Speaker 2: a lot of us, a goal of shooting x size
- 13:15Speaker 2: of deer keeps us out of the woods a lot,
- 13:18Speaker 2: and it's generally a great way to feel let down
- 13:21Speaker 2: by most of our hunts. A goal instead to maybe
- 13:25Speaker 2: arrow your first dear off the ground without a blind,
- 13:28Speaker 2: or to hunt every chance you can, or to try
- 13:31Speaker 2: to kill an october deer in the woods when all
- 13:34Speaker 2: you've ever hunted is field edges or whatever. It's a
- 13:38Speaker 2: different thing. It takes the focus off of a dead buck,
- 13:42Speaker 2: and it puts on us actually doing something that could
- 13:45Speaker 2: lead to us encountering more deer, which reinforces our behavior
- 13:49Speaker 2: and yes, eventually usually leads to big dead bucks over time.
- 13:55Speaker 2: The last component of this that I don't adhere too much,
- 13:58Speaker 2: but I guess I kind of do through my photography,
- 14:01Speaker 2: is to track your progress. I use a running app
- 14:05Speaker 2: on my phone that tallies up my miles and gives
- 14:07Speaker 2: me a whole bunch of stats, so I can see
- 14:09Speaker 2: whether I'm slacking or right on track, or crushing it
- 14:12Speaker 2: and getting ahead of my pace a little bit. But
- 14:14Speaker 2: with deer, you know some hunter's journal, most don't, and
- 14:18Speaker 2: most don't keep track of their progress. They hunt when
- 14:21Speaker 2: the conditions are good, kill or don't kill, and then
- 14:24Speaker 2: wait for the next opportunity. But this doesn't mean that
- 14:26Speaker 2: you can't do something else difficult and keep track, which
- 14:29Speaker 2: leads to being able to see through the discomfort of
- 14:32Speaker 2: other difficult tasks. The result in the long term is
- 14:36Speaker 2: that you are literally making yourself mentally tougher. When that
- 14:41Speaker 2: metaphorical snowball starts rolling in the right direction, it makes
- 14:45Speaker 2: life better and all aspects of deer hunting a little
- 14:49Speaker 2: easier to embrace. I explain this sort of to my
- 14:53Speaker 2: daughters recently, when we put on quite a few miles
- 14:56Speaker 2: to find zero antlers in a long weekend of trekking
- 14:58Speaker 2: through the woods. They discouraged about not finding antlers, but
- 15:03Speaker 2: I told them that I mostly don't find antlers and
- 15:05Speaker 2: that going shed hunting is worth it anyway, because it is.
- 15:09Speaker 2: It's just good to go walk through the woods. Most
- 15:12Speaker 2: of what we do with deer hunting is tethered to
- 15:15Speaker 2: our eventual success and in a different but equally relevant way,
- 15:19Speaker 2: our failures. If you can learn to go shed hunting
- 15:22Speaker 2: when you don't expect to find one, sometimes you will
- 15:25Speaker 2: find one, and that's awesome, But when you don't, you've
- 15:28Speaker 2: still done something worthwhile, and your brain is going to
- 15:31Speaker 2: reward you for that. It makes it easier to go
- 15:34Speaker 2: winter scouting when you're having a hard time mustering up
- 15:37Speaker 2: the energy to go into the woods and try to
- 15:39Speaker 2: a vision what that work will turn out at in
- 15:42Speaker 2: like nine or ten months.
- 15:44Speaker 3: I've often thought about.
- 15:45Speaker 2: The first big buck I killed and how it's just
- 15:48Speaker 2: opened the floodgates to killing more big bucks, and how
- 15:51Speaker 2: I've seen the same thing in my hunting buddies. It
- 15:54Speaker 2: took me twelve seasons of hunting really really hard to
- 15:59Speaker 2: kill that buck, and I was convinced it was just
- 16:02Speaker 2: never going to happen. I believed it. I expected to
- 16:05Speaker 2: screw up, and I almost always did, and the whole
- 16:09Speaker 2: thing just felt impossible. Then I killed a big old
- 16:12Speaker 2: fourteen pointer in a beanfield. It's now twenty years later,
- 16:16Speaker 2: and I've killed big bucks pretty much every year since.
- 16:20Speaker 2: The realization that something that difficult is suddenly doable changes us,
- 16:27Speaker 2: and the fact that a hell of a lot of
- 16:29Speaker 2: the big ones since then haven't been easy only reinforces
- 16:33Speaker 2: that truth. This is one of the reasons a lot
- 16:35Speaker 2: of people who start hunting and decide that it's only
- 16:37Speaker 2: a big bucks or nothing have such a hard time.
- 16:41Speaker 2: When killing a two year old eight pointer in a
- 16:43Speaker 2: whole season is really difficult, killing one hundred and thirty
- 16:46Speaker 2: inch er as your first buck is nearly impossible, and
- 16:49Speaker 2: your brain knows it. But killing that two year old
- 16:52Speaker 2: shows you what's possible. It makes it seem like a
- 16:55Speaker 2: three year old isn't a crazy challenge, but is still
- 16:58Speaker 2: definitely a challenge. I guess the best way to frame
- 17:02Speaker 2: this up before I sign off is this, When we
- 17:05Speaker 2: opt out of doing something challenging, it's usually not because
- 17:09Speaker 2: we physically can't do that thing. It's because our brains
- 17:13Speaker 2: make the case that it won't be worth it, and
- 17:15Speaker 2: we buy into that reasoning. But our brains aren't our
- 17:19Speaker 2: friends in a lot of ways, because they are looking
- 17:21Speaker 2: for the easy way out to help us preserve energy
- 17:23Speaker 2: and avoid potential failure. This is why it's so difficult,
- 17:28Speaker 2: but also why the folks who break through that membrane
- 17:30Speaker 2: and learn that the difficult stuff is worth it are
- 17:33Speaker 2: the ones who can go anywhere and hunt pretty much
- 17:35Speaker 2: anything they get a tag for. And while they won't
- 17:39Speaker 2: always be successful because that's how this stuff goes, they
- 17:42Speaker 2: are usually far far more successful than the average hunter.
- 17:47Speaker 2: They've conditioned themselves to just lean into the struggle and
- 17:49Speaker 2: the discomfort because they know, on the other side, it's
- 17:52Speaker 2: always worth it. If you want to be a better
- 17:55Speaker 2: deer hunter, forget what you can buy for a second
- 17:58Speaker 2: and think about what work you do. Avoid in that
- 18:01Speaker 2: harsh truth is the path to killing more big bucks.
- 18:05Speaker 2: And while it might seem daunting or not worth it,
- 18:08Speaker 2: remember that's just your shrunken anti mid singulate cortex talking.
- 18:14Speaker 2: Don't listen to it. Go do the difficult thing and
- 18:17Speaker 2: force that sucker to grow. You won't regret it. You
- 18:21Speaker 2: also won't regret coming back next week because I'm going
- 18:23Speaker 2: to talk about why we should all try to find
- 18:25Speaker 2: a new place to hunt and just how to go
- 18:27Speaker 2: about that process. Right now, that's it for this episode.
- 18:33Speaker 3: I'm Tony Peterson.
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