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Welcome to Table Talk here at the Philadelphia Sports Table podcast show, the longest
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running weekly Philly sports podcast show in the world. That's right over ten years
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strong. Love getting that Philly sports content out into your ears. I am
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Jeff Warren. We have a great discussion coming your way, a great interview.
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We're gonna be getting into the Philadelphia seventy six ers, some reflections on
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the twenty twenty three season and what's in store for this team down the road.
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There are so many question marks, so many storylines to get into.
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Let's get to the discussion right now. It is great to have in the
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podcast for the very first time. I have been wanting to bring them on
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for some time. It is the perfect opportunity now to speak with him about
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this Philadelphia seventy sixers team from the Party on Broad podcast. I listened on
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them out there as well. We've got the one and only. You can
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see him on Twitter as mister crock Pot and I absolutely love the name,
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but he has known as Deeps on Party on Broad. Hey, you're doing
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Deeps, Thanks for joining us this week here on Table Talk. Dude,
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it is such a freaking honor to jump on your show, and I love
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your show. You guys are the ogs. Oh thanks buddy, Yeah,
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man, I wish it was a better topic, to be honest, there's
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a lot of James Bloom going down right now. If you're a following Sixers
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Twitter, it is the absolute worst. But again, thanks for having me
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on this jump right in. Absolutely it's great to talk to you, and
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I love the content that you and your co host put out because you do
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speak about the seventy six ers and also the Eagles as well during the course
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of the offseason and regular season two. But in terms of the Sixers,
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I really wanted to get into some reflections first on the two twenty twenty three
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season deeps outside of getting knocked out of the second round of the playoffs yet
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again, I'm wondering your thoughts on what was the most disappointing aspect of the
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season for you as a fan as you reflect on this past season again,
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outside of getting knocked out of the second round again, what was the most
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disappointing aspect of these of this season for you? Uh? Yeah, I
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mean, if the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over
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and over again exacting different results. Man, then, like, as Sixers
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fans, we should have seen this episode this season of the twenty twenty three
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Sixers coming a mile away. And let me make it clear, like Doc
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Rivers is on the bottom of the totem pole when it comes to what failed
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the Sixers this season, especially in the playoffs. Yeah, I agree for
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anybody that follows me on Twitter or wherever, you know that I'm one of
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the big time Doc Rivers haters there is. I've never been a believer.
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But the truth of matter is he had his arguably best season as a Sixers
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coach this season, but the Sixers outpas in Jewel Embiid and James Harden was
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by far the most disappointing. Just look at Ebad and Harden during the second
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halfs of Game six and seven combined nine of twenty five from the field non
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existent. That was not good enough. And this is just it's kind of
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nothing we haven't learned from James Harden in the past. But the most disheartening
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aspect of twenty twenty three is the legacy of Joel Embiid and where it goes
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moving forward. Nobody loves Joel Embiid more than me, and I feel like
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we're overreacting a bit, but like, let's be honest, like the Sixers
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were going to be judged in twenty twenty three how they performed in big moments
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on the biggest stage, and they did not deliver deep deep, yeah,
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really quick. Joel Embiid had two points in the second half of Game seven.
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Two. That is your MVP, the league MVP had two points in
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the second half. You talked about legacy. That is absolutely part of it,
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for sure, and body language like he wanted no parts of Game seven
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and it is extremely disappointing. The Sixers are in truly rare territory. Only
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three reigning MVPs have ever changed teams after winning an MVP award. You look
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at Wolf Chamberlain in nineteen sixty eight, Moses Malone in nineteen eighty two,
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and Lebron James in twenty twenty ten, and two of those were the Sixers.
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This is the biggest offseason in my Sixers fandom, and I don't even
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think that it's close. So you look at kind of like solutions and strategies
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to get the Sixers back on track. Not to be a debbi downer,
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But there's a lot of lose lose situations right now. There is absolutely on
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the flip side of the coin, though we're talking about the most disappointing aspects
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of the season. Again, flip side of the coin. What this is
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the best? This is tough, man, because I even right now this
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question, I was like, oh my gosh, how am I writing this
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out? What was the best and most encouraging part of this past season for
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you as a fan? Dude? I think Tyris Maxie is ready to truly
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develop into a star next season. You look at James Harden likely on his
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way out and won't get into more of that soon. Yeah, but look
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at Tyres Maxie in games without James Harden last year, nearly twenty five points
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a game, three point three assists to turnover ratio forty three plus percent from
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three A plus seventy on the court, I think what's so enticing about Tyrius
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Maxie continues to be that level of unknown when it comes to his ceiling.
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We've seen leaps and balance from Maxie as a score, especially from the perimeter
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with his jump shot over the last couple of years. Where he needs to
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grow this year is changing speeds when he's attacking the rim, finding the open
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shooter or finding the open bucket. When he's penetrating, he learns that the
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sky's a limit for better or worse. He was not on the same page
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as and be as hard in the playoffs. The dude is so young.
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It's really exciting to kind of continue to think about where he could end up
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within two to three years. Absolutely, we're gonna we're not only gonna get
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to Joel Embiid in our discussion here, We're also gonna get to Tyrese Maximore
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in detail as well. Folks. But in looking at this upcoming off season,
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deeps conventional wisdom is telling us as you as you even mentioned you know
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that James Harden probably not going to be here with the Sixers next season,
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Tobias Harris, probably some bench pieces as well, probably out the door.
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Is this what you're thinking as well? And what does what does the growth
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of this team look like for you this coming off season? That's a key
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word growth Like can this team actually grow? Depends on the talent of course
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that's their talent acquisition, But what does that growth look like to you this
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coming off offseason? I sadly it's not going to be wins and losses.
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I think their growth comes in twenty twenty three twenty four for the Sixers is
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a head coach and a general manager kind of coming together in terms of what
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they want to do on the basketball court. And there's really not a lot
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of solutions. Like you look at Tyrese Maxley becoming a better playmaker, a
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better scorer. You look at Tobias Harris if he's on the team, becoming
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more decisive, a bigger role on offense next year, because when Tobias Harris
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is decisive with the basketball, when he knows his role, he looks pretty
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good. Yeah, you look at Paul Reid taking another step getting more minutes.
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I think it includes Darryl Moorey adding at least two to three athletic wings
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to this roster that can play meaningful minutes. That's where they need to truly
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grow because they didn't have a lot of answers there. Jayleen McDaniels did not
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really answer the bill, especially in the playoffs. Do they bring him back?
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Would I be opened him coming back for the Sixers, Absolutely, But
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that's where the Sixers grow in the offseason is kind of building a team that's
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better built roster wise, and a coach that's more willing to experiment and throw
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different lineup combinations and find out what they have during the regular season come playoff
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time. Deeps. You mentioned Paul Reid, and the one theme on this
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podcast that we have been essentially talking about, not in great, great detail,
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but is the fact that we just don't know if joe El Embiid is
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really that one A throughout the entire you know what I mean, that one
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a like that center, that number one center throughout the entire season and into
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the postseason, and how much Paul Reid may actually play in terms of potential
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growth not just for himself and that center position, but for the Sixers team
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as well. If he is able to play more minutes this coming season,
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take some sort of pressure off Joel Embiid, because I think we saw that
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the pressure needed to be taken off Joel Embid in certain type of situations within
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the season and of course within the postseason. I don't know what are your
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thoughts there. I think Paul Reid has worlds of potential. I've always been
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a Paul Reid guy. It kind of sucked to see his minutes kind of
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dwindle there in big games in the playoffs. The Sixers have always been that
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offensively and defensively, I have always been at their best when the ball is
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moving with speed, when when they're getting transition buckets, when they're turning defense
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into offense. That's what we learned from this Sixers team. When Ebie's not
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giving you buckets, when Harden is not giving you buckets. With the athleticism
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and the wings of Boston, they suffocated Tyres Maxie in the paint. Where
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does the offense come from? And Paul Reid is actually one of those guys
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that can give you kind of that chaotic disruptiveness in the paint on the perimeter,
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and that energy is something they truly lack. Jaylee McDaniels will not give
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them an ounce of that, and that's what they have been lacking. That's
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what I'm looking for Darrel Moore to find and add and inject youth, athleticism,
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speed, and that should be a prerequisite for any coach coming into Philadelphia,
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you know, and we'll get into that, but finding a new offense,
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a new identity for this Sixers team that matches the rest of the NBA
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rather than that slow paced half court, you know, no cutting to the
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basket, not shooting enough threes. We'll get into it, but that's what
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I'm looking at. And you know that's a cavity that also leads into Joel
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Embiid as well. It does. And I really, I really truly hope,
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like you talk about growth this offseason, it's a head coach that's not
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willing to sit down and have real conversations with Joel Embiid saying less minutes next
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year, saying let's roll on offense, and that has to be a real
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conversation because, let's be real, he just can't hang. And I think
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changing Joel Andbi's mentality, that regular season MVP mentality. You know, Doc
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Rivers kind of dug himself into a grave because of that, and we saw
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it. We jroelanb just did not have his legs come playoff time. Yeah.
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Another player I want to dive into is Tobias Harris. Tobias Harris,
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since he has been on the Philadelphia seventy six ers, I generally have defended
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him and generally think he is a pretty darn good basketball player. However,
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we have seen time and time again where he has those games where I'll absolutely
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stink it up. I mean, we saw it in the postseason. Two
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points in forty two minutes, for God's sakes, which is not good enough.
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He's such a streaky player. He can put up twenty six points in
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a game and then the next night he's putting up eight points. It's unbelievable.
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But I think conventional wisdom, as I've mentioned earlier, probably has him
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heading out the door. And I wonder what that trade value is going to
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be getting that contract off the books. I wonder what that trade value is
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now after the postseason, now that he's on that expiring contract. Deeps,
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do you think the Sixers could actually flip him for a different and even better
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overall basket player for this team that could play a crucial role. Absolutely not.
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Okay, all right, I just wanted to throw it out there,
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my friend. What you're looking at is, you know, you're getting pennies
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on the dollar for Tobias Hars. The value of a Tobias Harris trade is
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not getting better players in return, it's getting out of that contract. Yeah,
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and really, the only possible potential scenario where the Sixers get a better
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player and a Tobias deal is if it involves a Tyres Maxie and that is
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a thousand percent not happening. I would that that. Nope, not for
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me, so to your question now, nope, okay, alright, moving
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on, just in terms of you know, Joe El Embiid getting back to
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him, I think a lot of us are concerned about his future in Philadelphia
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and how his general feelings and attitudes about remaining part of the Sixers team might
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shake out over the next season or two. I mean, we've talked about
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it on this show a number of times. You know, what, what
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can the Sixers do to ensure that he's happy more than what they've already done,
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Because they've certainly done a lot over these years to ensure Joe ell Embiad's
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happiness. And you know, maybe a different scenery for him will help him
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in his career. Maybe maybe a trade in the future will be better for
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this organization. I'm wondering how should the front office deeps and and Daryl Morley,
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Daryl Morey take proactive steps to really keep Joe El Embiid even more happy
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if it's possible and here in Philadelphia for the long term, or should they
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even try to what are your thoughts. Didn't they do that lost off season?
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Well that's yeah, exactly, that's what I was saying. Yes,
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we've been there, done that. Yeah, they added toughness with PJ Tucker.
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That was clearly Embiad's guy. Um, you know, to for better
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or worse, this team was built around Ben Simmons. That's the truth.
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Um, But Joel embiid Man, as much as I love the guy,
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like you're if you're Darryl Morey and you're not trying to find every single solution
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on the table to improve the Sixers with embiid and without embiid he's not doing
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his job. So it's not about making Joel Abiad happy. This team has
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hit their ceiling. Like outside of some ridiculous scenario like Jaylen Brown forces his
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way to the Philadelphia seventy sixers and they finally get their answer at the wing
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position, Like, there's not a lot of real solutions, Like you go
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through Tobias Harris trades again, you're not getting major return when you look at
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different scenarios where maybe you can move some you know, assets like draft picks.
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They have very little, very few. Yeah, the truth of the
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matter is I don't know how Joel Embiid not only comes back to the Sixers,
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but as a basketball player in Philadelphia, man like his legacy was put
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on stage and he how many shot attempts did he have in the second half
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of Game seven? Like that? You have to see that, and it's
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a very terrible situation for Philadelphia. I would not be surprised if he asks
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to get out. The Sixers will not move Joel Embiid unless he requests a
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trade. Let's be absolutely painful, honest there. And I don't think the
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Sixers have the balls to make a move like that unless he makes a move,
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because he is the MVP and he is a phenomenal basketball player. But
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the weaknesses, the red flags are a real man and Daryl Morey. I'm
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glad I'm not in his shoes because he has truly difficult decisions to make and
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I just want and I hope that Morey is putting everything on the table because
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this team has hit there zo. I think we've seen with joe El Embid
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over the years, at least from a fan base standpoint, in terms of
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our feelings towards him, that he is an invincible figure because of the injuries
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that he has sustained, and the fact that he has been able to come
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back from those injuries, play on the court with those injuries and see success.
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I think at times, as fans deeps, we have seen him as
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invincible, and that Game seven, and quite frankly, that series in general,
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it just let us down that road of Okay, he is not invincible.
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And I think it's really tough for a lot of us fans. It's
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been tough for me to actually come to that conclusion that, you know what,
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he is not invincible. I think the real answer to this is it's
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not a big man's league anymore. That you it is so difficult to run
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an offense in the playoffs through a big man in today's NBA. You look
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at Boston, you look at Miami, you look at other teams like Denver.
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I mean, Denver is a great example of what the Sixers should do
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with. You know, Joel Ebead Joel and b doesn't have the talent or
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the skill set of Nicola Yok but like you at least see a lot of
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experimentation. You see a lot of different kind of lineup rotations and stuff to
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protect um. You know, I want to see the Sixers kind of concede
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to Joel and Bead and say like, this is what you can and cannot
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do moving forward. And especially what I'm trying to say is that you know
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Joel Ebad, as great of a player as he is, there are definite
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areas that you know Droelingbad has to take at least a few steps back moving
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forward in order to better his career. Yeah. Absolutely again, folks,
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to Deeves and his buddy's talking about the Sixers, the Eagles, and some
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storylines in the world of Philly sports. For sure. Let's move on to
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Tyrese Maxie here at Deeps because he appears to be a guys we were talking
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about a little earlier too, who's just continuing to develop. I love watching
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his game. I love seeing this growth in development, which I don't think
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any of us necessarily well I shouldn't say none of us, but the great
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majority of Sixers fans didn't necessarily realize would potentially happen when he was drafted by
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this team. So how do you see his role progressing on the Sixers or
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or do you think, like we were talking about with the Tobias Harris potential
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trade, do you think they might move on from him in the future to
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acquire assets. How do you see Tyrese Maxie progressing on this team if he
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does? Oh my god, I hate this question. I know, startbreaking
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because I love him. I love him. I love Tis Maxie so much.
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His energy is fantastic. His energy is Philly in a world where believe
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me, I don't. I hate going public with this because is like it
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is not a fun topic. But in a world where they bring back James
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harden Um and you know, maybe find a way to retool just a little
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bit for the next year or two, does it make sense to move Tyris
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Maxie for a wing that can better support a starting lineup or a rotation that
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adds more dynamic. There is there is real take to that, and I
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hate to say that, um and I think we learned that during the playoffs,
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is that Tyris Maxie is going to be a star and he is your
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best asset. Like if the Sixers are going to make a move, a
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big move and get like creative, like Daryl Morey said during his press conference,
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that's got to be it like that, that's the only true way they
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can get crazy and bring something with major value in return. And uh,
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we're kind of already touched on it. Like where Tyres Maxie needs to grow.
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It's not going a thousand miles an hour every single chance. Well you
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saw his you know, um shots at the rim, shots in the paint.
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Dwindle I mean, the guy has been in the elite tier category at
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the rim over the last couple of years. In the playoffs against Boston,
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they knew every single time he touched the basketball where he was going that team,
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regardless of how much you hate the Boston Celtics, they were prepared every
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single time Tyris touched the basketball, and his numbers show for it. So,
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I mean that's also coaching. U That's there's I mean, there's times
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when the Sixers want to push the pace and Maxie getting him the ball in
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transition is electric. But for me, um Tyres, Maxie is going nowhere.
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He is. You're building block, your build in piece moving forward.
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Ye. And I do you know, once we start talking about coaching,
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I do. I am curious about his fit in the pick and roll with
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Joel embiid uh And we'll get to that. Yeah. That's why I wanted
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to close our discussion on the on the next head coach and if you think
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the next head coach or how important this next head coach is going to be
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in terms of just piecing various aspects of this team that is going to remain
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here, you know, piecing everything as the team tries to move forward and
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tries to actually get out of the second round of the playoffs, if that's
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even possible. You're getting into the playoffs for God's sake. Who knows what's
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gonna happen with this team? What type of coaches needed to help Tyrese Maxi's
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development and also put Joel Embiid in a spot to succeed in the postseason?
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What are your thoughts, Steves? So those questions are separate, right,
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I guess yeah, Like like when you think of Tyres Maxie, I think
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the clear answer is Mike D'Antonio. You know, Steve ash and Phoenix,
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he oversaw James Harden Houston. Yes, the Sixers defense would be absolute trash,
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But you know, you gotta think he'd be an excellent fit for Maxi
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due to the way his offense flies, due to the way we see more
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three pointers, due to the way we see more pick and roll. What
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I like about D'Antoni, and we don't talk about this enough, is that
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how much you know he prioritizes transition offense. That would be such a wide
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departure from Doc rivers desire for half court. It would be such a breath
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of fresh air and I think that's where it gets really exciting as Sixers fans
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in Philadelphia. I think you know, you look at the Sixers offense last
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year in transition despite being tied number one in the NBA last year with the
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Denver Nuggets at one point two one points per possession, the Sixers were the
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seventh lowest offense in transition frequency last year. Uh. You know, offense
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wasn't the biggest issue with the Sixers last year, but it's just another way
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to kind of go from great to elite. And that's kind of what we're
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talking about. We're trying to find these little ways to kind of take this
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Sixers team to the next level. And the other thing, you know,
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you look at kind of what D'Antoni was able to do with depth. You
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talk about Eric Gordon, PJ. Tucker, Clint Capella, Trevor Ariza,
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you know guys aroundhearted in Houston that were really great role players for him.
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And you know that was an aerial weakness for Doc Rivers, you know,
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experimenting more lineup combinations throughout the regular season. I think Mike D'Antoni would do
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that for Joel Ebid. For me, it's Nick Nurse. Nick Nurse and
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Nick Nurse, you know, this guy is a creative thinker. I have
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no doubt that he would be able to get and be better looks on offense
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easily extend his career. But there are definite, real red flags that a
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lot of six Ers fans don't want to think about, Like as creative as
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Nick Nurse is with the Xes and Oos, like you look at Toronto's offense
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in the half court, they fell off a cliff since Kawhi Letter laught Man.
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They never recovered. They never recovered, and you can argue that like
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it was the lack of talent on the roster, But that's a big concern
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when the Sixers are at a win now mode and they're looking to hire an
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offensive genius. And you look at the Raptors. They topped out at eighth
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and half court in the half court with Kawhi Letard in the twenty eighteen twenty
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nineteen regular season. They were fifth and half court offense in the playoffs according
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to Cleaning the Glass. I think Nick Nurse is my number one candidate for
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the Philadelphia's seventy sixers. But it's not all peaches and cream. There are
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still major concerns. It's just picker poison. It's gonna be interesting to see
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for sure. Again, folks, check out Party on broad great great podcast
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with Deeps and his bodies at mister Krapott on the twitter dot com. Check
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him out on YouTube as well. Buddy, it was great talking to you
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the first time. I would love to have you back on down the road,
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will talk some Sixers, maybe even getting to some Philadelphia Eagles talk as
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well. I would love to have you back on join us down the road,
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my friend, dude, I have the edge for Philadelphia Eagles football.
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Man. I have not been this excited for Eagles football in ages. And
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I'm an old guy. Can't wait, I can't die again. So many
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question marks, so many storylines heading into this offseason here, and what will
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the twenty twenty three twenty twenty four Philadelphia seventy six ers really look like?
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And again, as we were talking about during this discussion here, Joe El
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Embiid's future with this team, Tyrese Maxie, you know again, appears to
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be a guy who really is developing. What does his future look like for
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this team? Will he remain on this team? Against so many question marks,
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it's gonna be interesting, but a lot of us are still dealing with
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the heartbreaker from again getting tossed out of the postseason during the second round right
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say, right right after the second round. It just absolutely the same type
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of crap that we have seen year after year from this Philadelphia seventy six ers
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team. A change needs to happen, some major changes need to happen.
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So we're gonna see him, We're gonna see them what they are. Obviously
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not sure yet, but we're gonna keep talking about it here at the Philadelphia
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Sports Table podcast show. Absolutely love talking Sixers, Flyers, Phillies, and
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well lately, we're gonna be getting into some more Union talk as well down
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