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These People Are Nuts! · That KEVIN Show

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  Speaker 5: Here all right, welcome in. It's That Kevin Show, that
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  Speaker 5: a Wednesday. The story, the news, the controversy, the discussion,
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  Speaker 5: the belligerents, all of it. It's surrounding Trump's deal that
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  Speaker 5: now we have details on Bloomberg publishing last night, the
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  Speaker 5: fourteen main points of the deal. And I gotta say, friends,
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  Speaker 5: you know, the three different very high profile people have
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  Speaker 5: all pulled me aside since last Friday. Three conversations, all
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  Speaker 5: of them off the rerect by the way. They involved
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  Speaker 5: people whose names you would know instantly if I said
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  Speaker 5: who they were, and all three were all worked up
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  Speaker 5: about what they thought President Trump's deal was going to
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  Speaker 5: include with Iran. One called it appeasement, another called it surrender.
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  Speaker 5: Someone else said Trump was giving away America's leverage for free.
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  Speaker 5: And I sat there and stood there and listened to them.
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  Speaker 5: At all the different times that we were having these conversations.
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  Speaker 5: I asked some questions, I let them talk themselves out,
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  Speaker 5: make their case, and when each conversation ended, I walked
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  Speaker 5: away thinking exactly the same thing. These people are nuts cuckoo.
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  Speaker 5: I don't say that lightly. These are accomplished people, smart people,
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  Speaker 5: influential people, but on this issue, I think they're bonkers.
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  Speaker 5: In fact, the more I thought about what they were saying,
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  Speaker 5: the more off balance it made me. And what has
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  Speaker 5: me off balance, is how otherwise intelligent people can miss
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  Speaker 5: something this obvious. These are not dumb people. They're successful, respected,
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  Speaker 5: spent years around politics and diplomacy and foreign policy, and
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  Speaker 5: yet somehow they've convinced themselves that leverage should never actually
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  Speaker 5: be used. That's like spending years sharpening an axe and
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  Speaker 5: then refusing to swing it because you might dull the blade.
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  Speaker 5: It's just crazy. One of them spent nearly ten minutes
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  Speaker 5: explaining to me how Trump was giving away all of
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  Speaker 5: America's leverage, and I kept waiting for him to explain
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  Speaker 5: what exactly he thought leverage was for. You frame it,
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  Speaker 5: you put it in a trophy case, you admire it
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  Speaker 5: from a distance. You stand there and you look at
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  Speaker 5: it and say, wow, that's really incredible. No, the entire
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  Speaker 5: purpose of leverage is to use it. And that's what
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  Speaker 5: makes this criticism so bizarre. Iran didn't wake up one
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  Speaker 5: morning and decide to just suddenly negotiate because the Iyatola
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  Speaker 5: had a change of heart. Iran came to the table
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  Speaker 5: because of pressure, because of sanctions, because of military realities,
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  Speaker 5: because its options became limited. In other words, leverage worked.
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  Speaker 5: It wasn't lost. It was applied. And that's the part
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  Speaker 5: that the Trump critics seeming capable of understanding, or just
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  Speaker 5: maybe unwilling to understand. The criticism we're hearing centers on sanctions,
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  Speaker 5: relief and frozen assets and allowing Iran to sell oil again.
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  Speaker 5: And I understand why those headlines make people nervous. They should.
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  Speaker 5: Iran is not our friend. They've sponsored terrorism, They've chanted
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  Speaker 5: death to America. When they're feeling particularly honest at least
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  Speaker 5: the regime, no one should be naive about who we're
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  Speaker 5: dealing with. These are crazy, kooky people, the leadership there.
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  Speaker 5: But that's precisely why I'm puzzled by the people attacking Trump.
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  Speaker 5: What's the alternative. I've listened carefully, and I still can't
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  Speaker 5: tell you want more pressure? Okay, for what purpose? You
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  Speaker 5: want more sanctions? Fine, but tell me what winning looks like.
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  Speaker 5: More confrontation over what? Keep squeezing forever, keep escalating forever.
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  Speaker 5: At some point, You've got to tell me where you're
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  Speaker 5: trying to go, because from where I'm sitting, a lot
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  Speaker 5: of Trump's critics sound like the people who have become
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  Speaker 5: emotionally attached to the pressure itself, as those sanctions are
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  Speaker 5: the objective, as though leverage is the destination, the immediate
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  Speaker 5: issue is whether one of the most important shipping lanes
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  Speaker 5: on Earth gets to stay vulnerable to disruption and conflict
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  Speaker 5: and chaos. A prolonged crisis in the Strait affects energy prices, inflations,
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  Speaker 5: supply chains, markets, ultimately American families. Trump understands that. Apparently
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  Speaker 5: some of his critics don't, or maybe they've forgotten. That's
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  Speaker 5: possible too. A lot of these same people have been
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  Speaker 5: wrong about nearly every major Middle East question of my
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  Speaker 5: adult life. They were wrong about Iraq, wrong about Afghanistan,
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  Speaker 5: wrong about nation building, wrong about Obama's approach to Iran,
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  Speaker 5: wrong about what strength actually looks like. Yet somehow they
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  Speaker 5: always return to explain why this time everyone should definitely listen,
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  Speaker 5: and I'm sorry, I'm not rushing to sign up. By
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  Speaker 5: the way, where was all this outrage when Obama was
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  Speaker 5: cutting his deal with Tehran? Where was the emergency warnings? Then?
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  Speaker 5: Where were the lectures about empowering Iran? Funny how those
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  Speaker 5: standards seem to change depending on who's sitting in the
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  Speaker 5: Oval Office. Here's the part that really gets me. Trump's
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  Speaker 5: critics talk as though he has no record, as though
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  Speaker 5: we're evaluating a complete unknown. Hello, Abraham Accords, isis losing territory,
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  Speaker 5: Iran's economy, American deterrence. These are all things that got
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  Speaker 5: better for the American side under Trump. Those aren't theories,
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  Speaker 5: those are results, Which is why I'm inclined to trust
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  Speaker 5: the presidents instincts more than the instincts of the people
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  Speaker 5: who have spent the last twenty five years explaining why
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  Speaker 5: failure should be considered success. Now, will this agreement solve
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  Speaker 5: every problem? I don't think so. Iran remains dangerous. The
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  Speaker 5: regime remains dangerous. No document signed in Switzerland is going
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  Speaker 5: to change that. But that's not the standard. The standard
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  Speaker 5: is whether America is better off, whether gas prices stay
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  Speaker 5: under control, whether American families avoid getting hammered at the pump,
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  Speaker 5: and whether the risk of a wider war is reduced,
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  Speaker 5: and whether American interests are advanced, and whether we can
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  Speaker 5: accomplish those things without another generation of American family sacrificing
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  Speaker 5: their sons and daughters in the sands of the Middle East.
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  Speaker 5: This president hates war, and this is the real question,
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  Speaker 5: not whether Iran receives something. Every negotiation involves both side
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  Speaker 5: receiving something. The real questions whether America receives more, and
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  Speaker 5: right now, looking at this agreement, that's exactly what appears
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  Speaker 5: to be pursuing, Which brings me back to these conversations.
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  Speaker 5: Three smart people, three influential people, three people convinced Trump
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  Speaker 5: has lost his mind. Maybe, but after listening to all
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  Speaker 5: three of them, I'm pretty sure they're looking in the
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  Speaker 5: wrong direction, because from where I sit, the people who
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  Speaker 5: seem to have lost their minds are the ones attacking
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  Speaker 5: him for using the leverage they spent years demanding that
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  Speaker 5: America create. I'm willing to trust this president. I'm willing
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  Speaker 5: to say, you gave us the Abraham Accords. He's not
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  Speaker 5: gonna He's not going to just let them go back
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  Speaker 5: to business as normal. The nuclear issue will be decided,
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  Speaker 5: and we use the leverage at our disposal at any
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  Speaker 5: time we wish, we can come back with more leverage.
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  Speaker 5: If necessary, we can come back and take out power
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  Speaker 5: supplies and kill more IRGC. They're at least remotely open
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  Speaker 5: to getting rid of the uranium, and we're serious about
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  Speaker 5: saying we want them to become something other than what
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  Speaker 5: they were and rejoin the Community of Nations. In good standing.
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  Speaker 5: We got to do. We have to. We have to
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  Speaker 5: let them have a little something in the long term.
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  Speaker 5: And I'm encouraged by the President of Iran and the
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  Speaker 5: Speaker of the Parliament yesterday both saying that they support
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  Speaker 5: this deal and that ninety percent of the Supreme Council
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  Speaker 5: supported it. So let's give the President a chance to
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  Speaker 5: do what he's there to do, keep us safe and
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  Speaker 5: advance our interests. And maybe as a bonus, we'll get
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  Speaker 5: Iran as a member of the Abraham Accord someday. Wouldn't
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  Speaker 5: that be interesting?
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  Speaker 1: All right?
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  Speaker 5: Kevin McCullough got a lot to get to. It's a big,
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  Speaker 5: He is from New York. Is Kevin McCullough, all right, welcome.
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  Speaker 5: of the show right here where we every day ask
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  Speaker 5: the big question, how do we live? How do we
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  Speaker 5: live in the context of a culture that doesn't respect
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  Speaker 5: or obey or even acknowledge God at times, and has
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  Speaker 5: even less respect for his revealed word and sometimes for
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  Speaker 5: the work of His Spirit in our lives. If we're
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  Speaker 5: genuine believers, I would argue that that doesn't change our
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  Speaker 5: mission or our calling or what we need to be about.
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  Speaker 5: And this week guiding us with our discussion is doctor
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  Speaker 5: Joey Newton, who is the pastor and teacher at Newtown
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  Speaker 5: Bible Church in Newtown, Connecticut. And you can find out
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  Speaker 5: But Joey, yesterday were talking about the life of the
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  Speaker 5: rich young ruler here and kind of his interaction with
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  Speaker 5: Jesus and what was happening. And we really brought home
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  Speaker 5: at the end of yesterday's discussion this idea that God's
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  Speaker 5: sovereignty is the key to this. So you wanted we
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  Speaker 5: didn't have time to complete that thought. I wanted to
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  Speaker 5: give you a chance to finish that out.
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  Speaker 4: Hi, good morning, Kevin, and thank you. Yeah. So, when
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  Speaker 4: we're looking at this rich young ruler, we noted that
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  Speaker 4: the call the repentance is that called a turn f
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  Speaker 4: himself to Christ, to submit to Christ as Lord. And
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  Speaker 4: the key to that in the heart, and what God
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  Speaker 4: does in the heart is to value Christ above all else,
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  Speaker 4: above all idols and other loves in our hearts, and
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  Speaker 4: that's what he was really getting to with this rich,
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  Speaker 4: young ruler, and so he gave him a command because
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  Speaker 4: their response to that command would show what he truly loved.
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  Speaker 4: And so, yeah, we left off on that issue of
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  Speaker 4: then how does the heart value Christ? And what we
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  Speaker 4: noted was that is something that God has to do first.
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  Speaker 4: And you know, there's a couple of background or comparison
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  Speaker 4: passages that I want to look at, and particularly in
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  Speaker 4: the life of Peter, there's a well known episode in
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  Speaker 4: Jesus's time with his disciples in which he questioned them
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  Speaker 4: about who do the crowds think that he is? And
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  Speaker 4: Simon Peter in Matthew sixteen this is recorded said to him,
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  Speaker 4: you are the Christ, the son of the Living God.
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  Speaker 4: And immediately Jesus made clear to him that this was
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  Speaker 4: a gift for him to see that. He said, blessed
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  Speaker 4: are you, Simon Barjonah, because flesh and blood did not
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  Speaker 4: reveal this to you, but my Father, who is in heaven.
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  Speaker 4: So in order to see Christ as he was, it
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  Speaker 4: was a gift of God to give him a spiritual perception.
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  Speaker 4: And of course that wasn't perfect, because Jesus had to
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  Speaker 4: write after that rebuke him, saying, get behind me, Satan,
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  Speaker 4: You're a stumbling block because he was not accepting Christ,
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  Speaker 4: telling him that he had to go to the cross
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  Speaker 4: and be killed and raised on the third day. And
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  Speaker 4: then Jesus gives to Peter and to his disciples that
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  Speaker 4: call the true discipleship. If anyone wishes to come after me,
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  Speaker 4: he must deny himself, take up his cross, and follow me.
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  Speaker 4: And so there's this connection between what God has to
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  Speaker 4: do in the heart to show the truth about who
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  Speaker 4: Christ is and what then reveals the heart by that
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  Speaker 4: willingness to leave everything and follow him. And that's where
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  Speaker 4: this rich ruler was.
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  Speaker 9: You know.
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  Speaker 4: There's one other example of that, if I could, Jens Devin,
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  Speaker 4: and that is in John chapter six where Jesus gave
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  Speaker 4: some hard teaching. He was speaking to the crowds who
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  Speaker 4: were following him because of a miracle. Jesus slays out
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  Speaker 4: to them that he is the bread of life, he's
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  Speaker 4: true food, true drink, and he caves some hard teaching
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  Speaker 4: for them to hear. And as a result of that,
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  Speaker 4: says in John sixth that many of the disciples withdrew
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  Speaker 4: and were not walking with him anymore. And then he
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  Speaker 4: said to the twelve, you do not want to go away?
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  Speaker 10: Also, do you?
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  Speaker 4: And Simon Peter said to him, Lord, to whom shall
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  Speaker 4: we go? You have the words of eternal life. We
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  Speaker 4: have believed and come to know that you are the
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  Speaker 4: Holy One of God. And while that was something that
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  Speaker 4: was increasingly becoming clearer to them as they walked with Christ,
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  Speaker 4: then ultimately after his death, his resurrection, his ascension, his
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  Speaker 4: sending of the spirit that would explode in understanding for them.
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  Speaker 4: But at the heart of their staying with Christ through
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  Speaker 4: the heart teaching, through the cost they're leading everything to
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  Speaker 4: follow him was see being Christ as he truly was,
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  Speaker 4: and valuing him and knowing that following him was the wisest,
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  Speaker 4: the greatest, and the most satisfying decision that they can make,
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  Speaker 4: such that whatever they left behind did not compare to
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  Speaker 4: what they gained in him. Jesus breaks through in the
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  Speaker 4: sense of when we see him as he is, and
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  Speaker 4: so yeah, there are a lot of parallels of course
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  Speaker 4: with this Richard ruler in today. He was impressed with Christ, clearly,
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  Speaker 4: That's why he came to him, That's why he showed
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  Speaker 4: such humility and bowing down before him. That's why he
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  Speaker 4: asked him this question. But being impressed with Christ and
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  Speaker 4: truly perceiving who Christ is in the reality of his
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  Speaker 4: full glory are two different things. There's a lot of
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  Speaker 4: people who are impressed with Christ, who are drawn to
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  Speaker 4: Christ for a variety of reasons, but it's not necessarily
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  Speaker 4: the right reasons. But the motive to follow Christ, the
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  Speaker 4: motive to leave everything to gain him, is connected with
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  Speaker 4: our view of Him and what we want.
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  Speaker 10: And if we're just coming.
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  Speaker 4: To fill a void, which is really what this ritual
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  Speaker 4: ruler seems to be coming, have come the reason he
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  Speaker 4: came to him, or if we just want Jesus to
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  Speaker 4: help us in life, that's not sufficient. Jesus Christ is Lord,
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  Speaker 4: and it means that we value him above all else,
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  Speaker 4: and that he calls us to follow him, even to
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  Speaker 4: love him more than mother and father, a spouse and
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  Speaker 4: any other human relationship, that he is supreme. I think
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  Speaker 4: that one in the New Testament where this really comes home,
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  Speaker 4: I think is in Paul's second canonical letter Anyway to
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  Speaker 4: the Corinthians, to Second Corinthians, and he's writing to them
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  Speaker 4: and he's explaining to them that they, in the reality
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  Speaker 4: of their truly following Christ, are, he says, are the
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  Speaker 4: letter written for him.
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  Speaker 10: They're the proof of his ministry.
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  Speaker 4: And then he compares that to the Old Covenant and
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  Speaker 4: the Jews who read scripture with a veil over their eyes.
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  Speaker 4: He says, but when that veil is removed, that veil,
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  Speaker 4: then that removed veil allows.
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  Speaker 10: Us to see the true glory of Christ.
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  Speaker 4: And he says this when he's really getting in to
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  Speaker 4: the heart of what happened in them. He says in
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  Speaker 4: chapter four, verse six of Second Corinthians, for God, who
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  Speaker 4: said light shall shine out of darkness, is the one
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  Speaker 4: who has shown in our hearts to give the light
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  Speaker 4: of the knowledge of the glory of God in the
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  Speaker 4: face of Christ. And that is the very essence of
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  Speaker 4: what God does in the gift of salvation. Is he
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  Speaker 4: shines in that darkened heart, the dead heart, to see
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  Speaker 4: the light of the glory of God in the face
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  Speaker 4: of Christ. And that for us is even more than
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  Speaker 4: what Peter realized. I mean, of course, he came later
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  Speaker 4: to the full glory, but for us it is with
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  Speaker 4: the finished work of Christ, the fuller understanding of his
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  Speaker 4: person as God, the Son eternal incarnate in flesh, as
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  Speaker 4: him who died as a sacrifice on the cross, as
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  Speaker 4: a full atonement for our sin, who defeated death by
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  Speaker 4: rising from the dead, and who ascended to the right
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  Speaker 4: hand of the Father sent the Spirit. And so Paul said,
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  Speaker 4: this treasure was so great. He says, we have this
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  Speaker 4: treasure in earth and vessels, so that their passing greatness
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  Speaker 4: of the power of God will be not from ourselves
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  Speaker 4: but from God, and that he would receive the glory.
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  Speaker 4: And so it really is that we see Christ as
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  Speaker 4: he is, and that is then to see him as
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  Speaker 4: he's presented in scripture. And when the Spirit of God
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  Speaker 4: opens our eyes to that reality, then nothing in this
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  Speaker 4: world compares to him. And having Him as both Savior
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  Speaker 4: and Lord becomes the greatest desire of the heart. And
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  Speaker 4: so then, unlike the rich young ruler whose riches kept
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  Speaker 4: him from following Christ, like later in the example of
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  Speaker 4: zach Kis, we would abandon awe to gain him.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, you know, that's the interesting thing, because joy I
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  Speaker 5: think that if we if we had a taste, if
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  Speaker 5: we really did understand the nature of what Jesus is
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  Speaker 5: in its fullness in us, in our lives and in
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  Speaker 5: our relationships and our work, in our family, in our
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  Speaker 5: day to day choices. If we saw the full understanding
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  Speaker 5: of that, we would we would quickly give up everything
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  Speaker 5: else if we if we understood the true eternal good
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  Speaker 5: of what pursuing Jesus brings. But we are so quick
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  Speaker 5: to be distracted to think far too much about you know,
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  Speaker 5: what will I lose? And it's not it's it's not
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  Speaker 5: even a contest. And I think that's what makes the
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  Speaker 5: rich young Rulers story so discouraging, is that the joy, peace, faith, hope,
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  Speaker 5: life that Jesus offers him.
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  Speaker 2: He can't.
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  Speaker 5: He just can't get past what he thinks the security
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  Speaker 5: of those riches do for him and the ultimate security,
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  Speaker 5: the ultimate benefit of what we have, and knowing Jesus
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  Speaker 5: so far surpasses that and outshines it. We are just
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  Speaker 5: getting started, friends, We've got two more days with Joy Newton,
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  Speaker 5: and I'm so grateful for what you're doing. Thank you
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  Speaker 5: for being with us.
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  Speaker 4: Thank you, Kevin, you got it.
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  Speaker 5: Kevin McCulloch coming right back. It's that Kevin show.
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  Speaker 2: Let's stick around for more of that.
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  Speaker 8: Kevin next.
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  Speaker 11: Here he is from New York, exact Ken Kevin McCullough, all.
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  Speaker 5: Right, welcome back, Kevin mccallaugh. Glad you're with us. I'm
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  Speaker 5: really being moved by our discussion with Joey Newton this week.
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  Speaker 5: I personally think, and for those of you that are
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  Speaker 5: not Christians or into faith at all, you just can't
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  Speaker 5: have to forgive me. I am, and so I talk
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  Speaker 5: about it sometimes, but I am. I am very moved
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  Speaker 5: by the story of the Rich Young Ruler for a
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  Speaker 5: couple of reasons. I've known lots of wealthy people. I
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  Speaker 5: don't consider myself one, although I know if you put
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  Speaker 5: up my earnings against any you know, ninety nine percent
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  Speaker 5: of the planet, most Americans, we would appear wealthy to
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  Speaker 5: people that live in Haiti and Jamaica and a whole
• 22:02
  Speaker 5: bunch of places that struggle just to get day to
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  Speaker 5: day supplies. So I see that to whom much is given,
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  Speaker 5: much is required. But the idea that the uber wealthy
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  Speaker 5: have kind of a different view of things, I think
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  Speaker 5: is really sometimes illustrated in the story of the Rich
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  Speaker 5: Young Ruler in a very pronounced way. If you don't
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  Speaker 5: worry about money, you worry about other things. And it's
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  Speaker 5: obvious in the text of scripture that this rich young
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  Speaker 5: ruler is struggling for meaning eternal security, understanding his relationship
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  Speaker 5: with what must I do to be saved? And I
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  Speaker 5: think it's not that I think Jesus was taken by
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  Speaker 5: surprise by it. I don't think he was. But I
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  Speaker 5: do think there's a degree to which we can break
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  Speaker 5: God's heart, and I think that given the rich young
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  Speaker 5: ruler's sincerity, that there's a hope that he will respond
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  Speaker 5: to the truth that Jesus says. And at the end
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  Speaker 5: of this interaction, I feel like it's one of those
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  Speaker 5: things where you just you know, you know how you
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  Speaker 5: when you have a friend and they're struggling with something
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  Speaker 5: and then there's a breakthrough and you think, oh wow,
• 23:15
  Speaker 5: they've turned the corner, and you've prayed for him and
• 23:18
  Speaker 5: you're pulling for him, and then all of a sudden, boom,
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  Speaker 5: it just seems like all that stuff stopped. I think
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  Speaker 5: that's kind of how Jesus felt about the rich young Ruler.
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  Speaker 5: So two thoughts on that, don't give up on him,
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  Speaker 5: keep praying for him, keep keep bringing it to them,
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  Speaker 5: keep bringing them to the truth. But ultimately what they
• 23:39
  Speaker 5: decide to do doesn't impact you. You, you have the
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  Speaker 5: same call that the rich young ruler has, Walk well,
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  Speaker 5: work for the Kingdom of God, and die trusting that
• 23:52
  Speaker 5: Jesus is who he says he will be in keeping
• 23:55
  Speaker 5: his promises. So a number of years ago, a number
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  Speaker 5: of years ago, I wrote a song about this story,
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  Speaker 5: and recently that group, the Tea collective that I work with,
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  Speaker 5: they decided to redo it, and I thought, you know
• 24:08
  Speaker 5: what it fits the process here, why not share it
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  Speaker 5: with you. Here's Alison Taylor and the boys. And what
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  Speaker 5: must I do? Rich who had everything.
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  Speaker 9: Then COUDI.
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  Speaker 10: Couldna esk.
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  Speaker 9: His fear, faith and the hell that did cometrol? Joy,
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  Speaker 9: who is done for the pieces of his soul? Well,
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  Speaker 9: one day all the truth did say.
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  Speaker 1: Just follow me.
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  Speaker 8: Lord, One must you do to know truth piece to.
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  Speaker 7: Voice?
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  Speaker 9: So love, believe his words, obay and trust.
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  Speaker 7: More, well, work and die.
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  Speaker 11: And follow him.
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  Speaker 8: We are like him that bit young.
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  Speaker 12: Persons with.
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  Speaker 7: Money.
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  Speaker 8: We can't escape.
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  Speaker 9: The solvereign, say O change the holyes Man, we.
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  Speaker 8: Circumvent the is.
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  Speaker 9: Broken in pieces of our soul.
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  Speaker 8: Well, we one day has.
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  Speaker 10: The truth to say, leavell.
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  Speaker 7: You do so true peace to hear.
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  Speaker 13: Bele It is worse hobst.
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  Speaker 8: And follow.
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  Speaker 5: The group is called the Tea Collective. It's what must
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  Speaker 5: I do? And friends, I hope that it speaks to you.
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  Speaker 5: We're going to continue that discussion with how do we
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  Speaker 5: live for the rest of the week. Cavin McCulloch coming
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  Speaker 5: right back from New York.
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  Speaker 11: Here he is from New York. Ken Kevin mccallor, aldo back.
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  Speaker 5: It's that Kevin show, that kevinshow dot com. It is. Yes,
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  Speaker 5: I know we're we're stretching into the summer days and
• 28:24
  Speaker 5: the temperatures getting hot, and World Cup's going on. There's
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  Speaker 5: so much going on everywhere across the United States, and
• 28:30
  Speaker 5: yet I don't want to lose focus on the fact
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  Speaker 5: that there are some children, some very important children, some
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  Speaker 5: children that Jesus loves very much, that are on the
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  Speaker 5: verge of not getting to experience a summer that I
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  Speaker 5: really think would change their life. I'm talking about kids
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  Speaker 5: in the Angel Tree program who basically have something in
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  Speaker 5: common with all the other kids. They if they make
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  Speaker 5: it to Angel Tree Camp, they have something in common
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  Speaker 5: with all the kids. There two things. Let me tell
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  Speaker 5: you what they are. Number One, they all have in
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  Speaker 5: Carsted parents. Every kid at the camp has the same
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  Speaker 5: pain and loss and deficit in their life of knowing
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  Speaker 5: what it's like to have a child to have a
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  Speaker 5: parent who has been incarcerated. But number two, they also
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  Speaker 5: have a parent who has taken certain steps through prison,
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  Speaker 5: fellowship in prison, to complete some Bible study, to do
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  Speaker 5: some other things that their lives have been redeemed. Many
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  Speaker 5: of them have found Jesus as their savior and they
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  Speaker 5: get to nominate their child for a scholarship to camp,
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  Speaker 5: and think about this, they find Jesus in prison. They
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  Speaker 5: don't want their child to wait until prison to find Jesus.
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  Speaker 5: So they want their child to be able to go
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  Speaker 5: find Jesus at an Angel Tree camp, which many.
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  Speaker 8: Of them do.
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  Speaker 5: That's the beauty of this. The secret. Don't tell anybody
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  Speaker 5: that's what that's the that's the game plan. The ultimate
• 29:47
  Speaker 5: game plan is for them to find Jesus. Betsy Ride
• 29:51
  Speaker 5: is back with us. She is the senior director of
• 29:52
  Speaker 5: all things Angel Tree and Betsy. I love the covert
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  Speaker 5: nature of that. I love the fact that the kids
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  Speaker 5: think they're just going to get a great we of
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  Speaker 5: camp and they're scared of it. They don't A bunch
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  Speaker 5: of them have never been anything like it before. But
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  Speaker 5: that's what they think they're going there for, and then
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  Speaker 5: what they end up encountering is something completely mind blowing,
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  Speaker 5: far and beyond that.
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  Speaker 14: Yes, you know, you think of camp, and you think
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  Speaker 14: of swimming, you think of like we have camps with
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  Speaker 14: higher ropes, courses and rock walls and gaga ball and
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  Speaker 14: all the fun things outside in nature. But when they're there,
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  Speaker 14: they are going to be poured into with the love
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  Speaker 14: of Jesus by all of the adults on staff. They
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  Speaker 14: are going to hear the gospel message, and so many
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  Speaker 14: lives are changed because of that. They get to have
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  Speaker 14: the super fun experience just being a kid that they
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  Speaker 14: might not get that at home. They might not get
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  Speaker 14: those fun things that we think of summer as because
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  Speaker 14: of their circumstances, but they get that at camp and
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  Speaker 14: those walls come down and then you plant the sea
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  Speaker 14: and so many new blows seeds take root and lives
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  Speaker 14: are changed.
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  Speaker 5: Friends. That's the goal. And here's the thing. Go to
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  Speaker 5: that kevinshow dot com and click the banner at the
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  Speaker 5: top of the page that kevinshow dot com and click
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  Speaker 5: the banner. It's got it's kind of animated and has
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  Speaker 5: this little cartoon kind of thing on It's really cute.
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  Speaker 5: Click on that. If you click through, you'll see it'll
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  Speaker 5: explain the program briefly. You'll see you can give two
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  Speaker 5: hundred dollars that'll get one kid to camp for a
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  Speaker 5: full week. There are those kids that yet remain, and
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  Speaker 5: these are the ones that I'm worried about, Betsy. If
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  Speaker 5: we don't take the opportunity now, they might miss this
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  Speaker 5: opportunity this summer, and that could have some tragic consequences.
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  Speaker 14: It can you know, sometimes camp can be the only
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  Speaker 14: safe place for these kids to really express who they are,
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  Speaker 14: to be able to talk about what's going on at home,
• 31:57
  Speaker 14: because sometimes when they're on the home, the parent at
• 32:02
  Speaker 14: home has gone through trauma as well, and they're trying
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  Speaker 14: to cope, and they're trying to care for the kids,
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  Speaker 14: and they're trying to survive, and so everybody's on edge,
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  Speaker 14: and everybody's just trying to survive at home. But when
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  Speaker 14: we get them to camp, it's amazing how the walls
• 32:20
  Speaker 14: come down, first just by those fun experiences that we
• 32:24
  Speaker 14: talked about, But then when you create that safe space
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  Speaker 14: that kids know I'm not alone, I'm not the only
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  Speaker 14: one in this journey. I can talk about my hurts,
• 32:35
  Speaker 14: I can talk about the things that have happened in
• 32:39
  Speaker 14: my life. Like sometimes camps have things at the end
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  Speaker 14: of campus ceremony where kids can go and lay down
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  Speaker 14: their hurts, lay down those pains that they've been carrying,
• 32:53
  Speaker 14: those burdens, and it's so powerful. They can have that
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  Speaker 14: space to just release it and know that there's a
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  Speaker 14: counselor there that can talk with them, know that there
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  Speaker 14: are other kids that see that pain and know that
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  Speaker 14: pain and come and hug them and surround them and
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  Speaker 14: cry with them. Like sometimes it's the only place of
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  Speaker 14: release for them. And it's an amazing thing because when they're
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  Speaker 14: storing it in, they're going to carry that through their lives,
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  Speaker 14: right But when they come to camp and they find
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  Speaker 14: that place where they can release it, where they can
• 33:31
  Speaker 14: find some healing and hope, that changes that path in
• 33:35
  Speaker 14: their life. And we've seen it over and over. I
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  Speaker 14: had a grandmother report she had three kids that she
• 33:43
  Speaker 14: was taking care of, all different dads. All their dads
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  Speaker 14: were incarcerated, and these boys were living the gang life
• 33:53
  Speaker 14: and they were assuming they were going to jail like
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  Speaker 14: their dad said. And because of Angeltry they went to camp.
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  Speaker 14: When they came home from camp, they were completely different.
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  Speaker 14: They were singing Christian songs, they were reading the Bible,
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  Speaker 14: and they had completely changed. And the kids that Grandma
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  Speaker 14: sent off were not the same kids that came home.
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  Speaker 5: Wow.
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  Speaker 14: Because of that impact that camp and the life change
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  Speaker 14: that can happen.
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  Speaker 5: There, friends, that is exactly what we're talking about, and
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  Speaker 5: we want you to be part of it. We want
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  Speaker 5: you to help us, obviously get these kids to camp.
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  Speaker 5: And from our original goal, we still have about sixty
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  Speaker 5: five kids that to hit our ultimate goal we need
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  Speaker 5: to get there. It's two hundred dollars apiece. Someone yesterday
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  Speaker 5: helped us get to ten kids over the course of
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  Speaker 5: a given day, and I just want to say thank
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  Speaker 5: you because it was incredibly encouraging to come in today
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  Speaker 5: and to see that number. But we just need, we
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  Speaker 5: just need six of you to do a ten kid gift.
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  Speaker 5: That would be a two thousand dollars gift. If there
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  Speaker 5: were six of you somewhere in the four hundred cities
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  Speaker 5: that here they show that could do a two thousand
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  Speaker 5: dollars gift each, that would be amazing. But there's an
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  Speaker 5: opportunity for you no matter what size gift you give,
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  Speaker 5: because every two hundred dollars that we put together, another
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  Speaker 5: child will have their name taken off the list and
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  Speaker 5: be sent to camp. And that's what we want to
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  Speaker 5: Kevin Show. Final few minutes of hour one on this
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  Speaker 5: Wednesday edition. I saw this story yesterday after I got
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  Speaker 5: off the air, and it's just one of those things
• 36:24
  Speaker 5: where it turns my stomach because my heart hurts for
• 36:28
  Speaker 5: the kids involved so badly. A Colorado teacher this week
• 36:33
  Speaker 5: has been fired after investigation found students were asked to
• 36:37
  Speaker 5: kiss classmates during classroom skits, with some reporting they felt
• 36:42
  Speaker 5: pressure to participate because the performances counted towards their grades.
• 36:47
  Speaker 5: CBS News reported on Monday that the Denver Public Schools
• 36:51
  Speaker 5: voted seven to nothing seven to nothing on May twentieth
• 36:55
  Speaker 5: to terminate French language and culture teacher Jennifer Honka at
• 37:00
  Speaker 5: Northeast Early College for incompetence and neglect of duty, finding
• 37:04
  Speaker 5: she had at times allegedly suggested that students kiss during
• 37:08
  Speaker 5: in class skits. The outlet reported that April thirtieth, independent review,
• 37:14
  Speaker 5: a copy of which was obtained by CBS Colorado, found
• 37:18
  Speaker 5: that students who were allegedly encouraged to kiss were always
• 37:22
  Speaker 5: the same sex. One student told an nec chemistry teacher
• 37:28
  Speaker 5: about the skits in April of twenty twenty four. The
• 37:31
  Speaker 5: student was very uncomfortable and did not know what to do.
• 37:35
  Speaker 5: She went ahead and kissed another student at Honka's direction.
• 37:38
  Speaker 5: The student then shared a digital meme with the chemistry teacher.
• 37:41
  Speaker 5: That included a picture of Honka and the caption she
• 37:44
  Speaker 5: makes girls kiss. The meme had circulated among students. Purther
• 37:50
  Speaker 5: report following that incident, the student's attendance decreased dramatically. Additionally,
• 37:55
  Speaker 5: CBS News reported that one student interviewed directly in the
• 37:58
  Speaker 5: independent review, also tested that the teacher always selected girls
• 38:02
  Speaker 5: to act in the skits. Despite a nearly fifty to
• 38:05
  Speaker 5: fifty split among boys and girls in the class, the
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  Speaker 5: student could not recall Honka choosing a boy actor at all.
• 38:12
  Speaker 5: The student refused to participate and testify that she received
• 38:15
  Speaker 5: a zero score for the grade for the assignment. Another
• 38:18
  Speaker 5: student walked out of the class, and an English teacher
• 38:21
  Speaker 5: at the school testified that several students approached her as well.
• 38:24
  Speaker 2: One of the.
• 38:24
  Speaker 5: Students appeared upset and defeated. As stated in the review,
• 38:28
  Speaker 5: The student told the English teacher that she had been
• 38:31
  Speaker 5: asked to kiss three other girls in one skit alone.
• 38:35
  Speaker 5: According to the report, the skits where Honka asked students
• 38:39
  Speaker 5: to kiss were titled The Neighbors Saw Everything in the
• 38:42
  Speaker 5: Boring Kiss, which was about the characters who were dating friends.
• 38:45
  Speaker 5: This is so far beyond the scale of what any
• 38:50
  Speaker 5: responsible teacher should be doing the teacher. And it doesn't
• 38:55
  Speaker 5: matter that it's lesbian kissing or if it would be
• 39:00
  Speaker 5: sexual kissing. Sexual activity of this nature doesn't belong in
• 39:07
  Speaker 5: the classroom. And I will just put it this way.
• 39:11
  Speaker 5: If Honka had no feelings for one of her coworkers,
• 39:16
  Speaker 5: and yet the principle came and said, Hey, just for kicks,
• 39:19
  Speaker 5: just for morale, we're going to do a skit at
• 39:21
  Speaker 5: the teacher's conference this morning, and I'm going to have
• 39:24
  Speaker 5: Joey kiss you Jennifer. And she was forced to participate
• 39:29
  Speaker 5: in order to get her paycheck. That would be a
• 39:32
  Speaker 5: lawsuit tomorrow. She's lucky that she just lost her job
• 39:38
  Speaker 5: because any of these students that felt uncomfortable could easily
• 39:43
  Speaker 5: litigate this. And friends, it's just a reminder that we're
• 39:50
  Speaker 5: living in times in which if you divorce yourself from
• 39:54
  Speaker 5: all moral framework, then you don't see the problems when
• 40:00
  Speaker 5: in moral things happen that violate people's sovereignty, that violate
• 40:06
  Speaker 5: and good for the kids that stood up and took
• 40:08
  Speaker 5: zeros and made the principal stand, But this is not
• 40:13
  Speaker 5: This is not what we're paying our taxes for our
• 40:15
  Speaker 5: teachers to teach our kids. I'm surprised that a Colorado
• 40:20
  Speaker 5: school district voted seven to zero, but I'm grateful that
• 40:23
  Speaker 5: they did, because this stuff does not belong there under
• 40:27
  Speaker 5: any circumstances. Maybe you disagreed, drop me an email That
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  Speaker 6: and Now from the Connors in Sullivan Broadcast Studios, who
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  Speaker 5: Welcome back, Calvin mccallaugh. I glad to have you with us.
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  Speaker 5: And you know, on Wednesday we like to take a
• 42:20
  Speaker 5: look at wellness and some issues related to wellness and
• 42:24
  Speaker 5: fitness and health and all those types of things. Doctor
• 42:27
  Speaker 5: Monique Johannan's going to be with us in this hour
• 42:30
  Speaker 5: and I look forward to that. I really I'm starting
• 42:34
  Speaker 5: to feel bad for people like Whoopie Goldberg because she
• 42:40
  Speaker 5: so desperately sometimes wants to make a point, and I
• 42:44
  Speaker 5: don't think she really has a point to make.
• 42:46
  Speaker 16: Take a listen, what did black people do to this
• 42:50
  Speaker 16: administration that has allowed it to really stigmatize folks of color?
• 42:59
  Speaker 16: And you know how hard it is you have you
• 43:03
  Speaker 16: have folks of color in your family. So when you see,
• 43:08
  Speaker 16: you know, things the em Maatil stuff coming down, or
• 43:12
  Speaker 16: them doing all kinds of removal of information of black heroes,
• 43:18
  Speaker 16: how do you how do you how does that sit
• 43:21
  Speaker 16: with you?
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  Speaker 15: Well?
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  Speaker 5: What do you what exactly are you talking about?
• 43:25
  Speaker 14: What?
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  Speaker 6: Because you're talking about you can tell you no.
• 43:31
  Speaker 5: You don't know what it's talking about.
• 43:32
  Speaker 10: So in a lot of the.
• 43:37
  Speaker 16: Museum museums just there's so many I just you know,
• 43:42
  Speaker 16: where they're taking down the actual history that happened in
• 43:46
  Speaker 16: this country. Slavery happened. Uh, all kinds of stuff happened.
• 43:52
  Speaker 5: Well at that moment, what we needed her co host
• 43:57
  Speaker 5: to jump in, uh, Sonny hostin. So she did and
• 44:02
  Speaker 5: she went on to say that black history has been
• 44:04
  Speaker 5: erased from public spaces. And what was interesting was that,
• 44:11
  Speaker 5: you know, the Vice president who was there to talk
• 44:13
  Speaker 5: about his book, basically he repeatedly said, please help me
• 44:17
  Speaker 5: understand what you're talking about. What are you talking about
• 44:22
  Speaker 5: so that we you know, so that I can address it.
• 44:26
  Speaker 5: And here's the problem that what he has in going
• 44:29
  Speaker 5: down that path is that he is talking she is
• 44:32
  Speaker 5: talking to Trump's second in command. But VP Vance who
• 44:40
  Speaker 5: has just written a book about his Christian faith and
• 44:44
  Speaker 5: he's married to a woman of color, and he's very
• 44:48
  Speaker 5: polite when he when he was look I think going
• 44:52
  Speaker 5: on the view for a lot of conservatives is a
• 44:54
  Speaker 5: waste of time because even the conservative, the token conservative
• 44:58
  Speaker 5: that they have on the panel is usual not really
• 45:02
  Speaker 5: a conservative. They're usually like a rhino of some sort
• 45:04
  Speaker 5: where they're just kind of in name only kind of thing.
• 45:07
  Speaker 5: But he went on. He didn't give any ground. He
• 45:12
  Speaker 5: calmly replied to the things that they put forward, and
• 45:16
  Speaker 5: he has been criticized on that show for years. And
• 45:21
  Speaker 5: he walked away with a very measured but tense interview,
• 45:25
  Speaker 5: and they ranged the debates from immigration enforcement to what
• 45:30
  Speaker 5: you just heard about this theory that the Trump administration
• 45:34
  Speaker 5: is trying to take down or erase black history and friends,
• 45:39
  Speaker 5: there's no evidence that that is in fact true. There's
• 45:42
  Speaker 5: zero evidence that this administration is trying to whitewash slavery.
• 45:48
  Speaker 5: In fact, I would remind Whoopee that it wasn't President
• 45:51
  Speaker 5: Barack Obama who came to the aid of the historically
• 45:55
  Speaker 5: black college university system that needed that desperately needed funding.
• 46:01
  Speaker 5: And under Obama they had to go begging hat in
• 46:03
  Speaker 5: hand to Washington every year, Please, mister President, may we
• 46:07
  Speaker 5: have more? Please, mister president, may we have more? And
• 46:09
  Speaker 5: when President Trump came into office in his first term,
• 46:13
  Speaker 5: he looked at that and said, there's no reason why
• 46:15
  Speaker 5: you should have to do this. White schools don't have
• 46:18
  Speaker 5: to do this, and he made their ability to engage
• 46:22
  Speaker 5: in the program permanent. They don't have to go to
• 46:27
  Speaker 5: Washington hat in hand and ask every year anymore. Obama
• 46:30
  Speaker 5: didn't do that for the historically black colleges. Trump did.
• 46:34
  Speaker 5: So it seems to me that she's mildly confused. And
• 46:38
  Speaker 5: you can't call the VP racist. He married a brown
• 46:41
  Speaker 5: woman who he dearly loves and has had a family with.
• 46:47
  Speaker 5: He also grew up in extreme poverty, probably far worse
• 46:50
  Speaker 5: poverty than any woman sitting on the panel at the
• 46:54
  Speaker 5: View right now, So it's kind of, I don't know,
• 46:57
  Speaker 5: it's kind of hypocritical and kind of laughable to see
• 47:04
  Speaker 5: her try to do that. He asks her, what exactly
• 47:08
  Speaker 5: are you talking about? Will be never provided context. She
• 47:14
  Speaker 5: tried to refer to monuments that have been designated as
• 47:18
  Speaker 5: national monuments by former President Joe Biden, which maybe have
• 47:26
  Speaker 5: their classifications changed because of some DEI budget cuts. But
• 47:32
  Speaker 5: there's no attempt to undo black history. There's no attempt
• 47:37
  Speaker 5: to whitewash slavery and say that it was anything other
• 47:40
  Speaker 5: than horrific. Well, he said, I think the story you're
• 47:44
  Speaker 5: talking about is where allegedly the administration is holding back
• 47:47
  Speaker 5: the appointments of people based on skin color. And that's
• 47:50
  Speaker 5: when Sonny Hoston replied that she's talking about a host
• 47:53
  Speaker 5: of things. And then Anna Navarro, who is useless on
• 47:57
  Speaker 5: that show, she has no real opinion that ever contributes
• 48:01
  Speaker 5: anything positive, added that overwhelming majority of refugees that Trump
• 48:05
  Speaker 5: is allowed into the country since October have been white
• 48:07
  Speaker 5: South Africans. We've let almost no refugees in the country
• 48:13
  Speaker 5: at all. There's been almost none. Miss Navarro would like
• 48:17
  Speaker 5: to think that President Biden let twenty million people in
• 48:21
  Speaker 5: and that twenty million people were all refugees. No, they weren't.
• 48:25
  Speaker 5: But it's driving the ladies on the view a little
• 48:28
  Speaker 5: bit crazy that it's hard to pin any real deficiency
• 48:32
  Speaker 5: on the administration. And I'm telling you, if the Iran
• 48:36
  Speaker 5: deal holds, much to everyone's chagrin, if Trump brings a
• 48:42
  Speaker 5: realignment in the Middle East where Iran is actually a
• 48:45
  Speaker 5: member of the neighborhood and being a good neighbor, not
• 48:49
  Speaker 5: a bad neighbor in the Middle East, that's just like
• 48:53
  Speaker 5: icing on the cake. Plus, he's going to get gas
• 48:56
  Speaker 5: prices lowered because the straight of hor Moves is going
• 48:59
  Speaker 5: to be open and the glow price per gallon is
• 49:01
  Speaker 5: going to go down. Even just the rumors of all
• 49:04
  Speaker 5: this news happening this week. The price of oil has hit,
• 49:07
  Speaker 5: you know, the mid to low eighties per barrel, which
• 49:11
  Speaker 5: is great, it'll start helping us, we'll get more relief here.
• 49:15
  Speaker 5: But it also keeps at a price per barrel that low.
• 49:19
  Speaker 5: It keeps Putin from being able to sell his oil
• 49:23
  Speaker 5: on the market enough to be able to make money
• 49:26
  Speaker 5: to continue his war with Ukraine. He needs oil to
• 49:29
  Speaker 5: be over the one hundred dollars per barrel mark, and
• 49:31
  Speaker 5: when it is, he does well. There's a lot of
• 49:34
  Speaker 5: disagreement about what's in the Iran deal. I said it
• 49:39
  Speaker 5: at the beginning of the first hour today. Anybody that
• 49:42
  Speaker 5: thinks they know all of it is foolish. There's going
• 49:47
  Speaker 5: to be even more than what Bloomberg released last night.
• 49:49
  Speaker 5: And I will guarantee you that Trump did not go
• 49:54
  Speaker 5: down the same rabbit hole as Obama and Bush, who
• 49:59
  Speaker 5: did not have the same approach either. By the way,
• 50:01
  Speaker 5: Obama was willing to give them everything. Bush should put
• 50:06
  Speaker 5: restraints on their on their spending sanctions. But if they
• 50:11
  Speaker 5: behave well. Trump's saying, hey, if you're if you're a
• 50:14
  Speaker 5: good neighbor, if you behave well, if you can play
• 50:16
  Speaker 5: nice with your with your neighbors, will we'll let you
• 50:19
  Speaker 5: back into the group friends. You can't. You can't just
• 50:22
  Speaker 5: have a club beating them over the head all the time.
• 50:24
  Speaker 5: You got to give them a carrot. They got to
• 50:27
  Speaker 5: they got to have something to move towards. And incentives
• 50:30
  Speaker 5: I've always believed are a really really effective way of
• 50:33
  Speaker 5: doing that. All right, Calvin mckella, it's a big hour.
• 50:36
  Speaker 7: Stay here.
• 50:56
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• 50:56
  Speaker 11: He is from New York.
• 51:01
  Speaker 2: Kevin McCullough.
• 51:04
  Speaker 5: All right, welcome in. It's Kevin mckelly. It's that Kevin Show.
• 51:07
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• 51:10
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• 51:15
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• 51:20
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• 51:25
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• 51:30
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• 51:33
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• 51:36
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• 51:37
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• 51:41
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• 51:44
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• 51:46
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• 51:49
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• 51:52
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• 51:55
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• 51:58
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• 52:04
  Speaker 5: chief medical officer at Adia Care Adia Healthcare. Doctor Johanna,
• 52:10
  Speaker 5: it's always a pleasure to have you with us, and
• 52:11
  Speaker 5: the last time I think we spoke, you were actually
• 52:14
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• 52:17
  Speaker 5: Summit and gala, and what a fun, magnificent day that was.
• 52:22
  Speaker 17: It was such a pleasure to be to meet you
• 52:26
  Speaker 17: in person, to be with the entire group.
• 52:29
  Speaker 10: And so inspiring.
• 52:31
  Speaker 17: I did want to make a minor update since we
• 52:34
  Speaker 17: last spoke. We actually have expanded our role in healthcare
• 52:37
  Speaker 17: at Independent Women So we now have a center, the
• 52:40
  Speaker 17: Center for Better Health, and I'm the director of the center.
• 52:43
  Speaker 5: That is really cool, the Center for Better Health, and
• 52:46
  Speaker 5: the director of that center, doctor Monique johann and now
• 52:49
  Speaker 5: joins us. Thank you for that upgrade, and thank you
• 52:52
  Speaker 5: for all that you're doing recently, you wrote in a
• 52:55
  Speaker 5: little outlet called townhall dot com that I know pretty
• 52:57
  Speaker 5: well my readers are there with me daily. You wrote
• 53:02
  Speaker 5: about food dies and this is the name of the article.
• 53:06
  Speaker 5: Is kind of interesting. What's in your kids snack that
• 53:08
  Speaker 5: Europe won't allow. I'm sure we're going to find out
• 53:11
  Speaker 5: a whole bunch of stuff in just a second. But
• 53:13
  Speaker 5: I do think that of all the things that the
• 53:16
  Speaker 5: administration can and have worked on in this term, that
• 53:20
  Speaker 5: the MAHA agenda is still really going strong, and there's
• 53:23
  Speaker 5: still a big demand, particularly from suburban moms, that more
• 53:28
  Speaker 5: and more of this get addressed, implemented, and that real
• 53:32
  Speaker 5: reforms and changes come along. And I'm just curious here,
• 53:36
  Speaker 5: you know, more than a year in now, what are
• 53:38
  Speaker 5: your feelings about how the administration has done so far?
• 53:41
  Speaker 17: You know, I think that one of the things that
• 53:43
  Speaker 17: MAHA does, it's so important when we look at chronic disease.
• 53:47
  Speaker 17: What we know is that about ninety percent of chronic
• 53:50
  Speaker 17: disease has nothing to do with anything I, as a
• 53:54
  Speaker 17: doctor would do. It really is about how you live
• 53:57
  Speaker 17: your life. Do you exercise, you get out, you spend
• 54:00
  Speaker 17: time talking to your friends, and most importantly, what are
• 54:03
  Speaker 17: you putting in your body?
• 54:04
  Speaker 10: What's in the food that you eat?
• 54:06
  Speaker 17: Ninety percent of it has nothing to do with a doctor,
• 54:09
  Speaker 17: and yet medical issues. Throwing people a pill at people
• 54:13
  Speaker 17: to solve the issues instead of getting to the core
• 54:15
  Speaker 17: of it has been the way we've approached it. The
• 54:18
  Speaker 17: way the administration has focused on this to me is
• 54:21
  Speaker 17: so essential, So really calling out food dies and so
• 54:26
  Speaker 17: the administration has gotten some voluntary cooperation that by twenty
• 54:30
  Speaker 17: twenty seven, many of the manufacturers have committed to making.
• 54:35
  Speaker 10: Some changes in their foods.
• 54:36
  Speaker 17: So I think, like many things, like for example, you
• 54:40
  Speaker 17: look at trump RX, some of these things are as
• 54:43
  Speaker 17: simple as nobody held them accountable before nobody took them
• 54:47
  Speaker 17: to task. What I see over and over again with
• 54:49
  Speaker 17: the administration and with maha is people are actually holding
• 54:54
  Speaker 17: the people who have been making us sick accountable. So
• 54:57
  Speaker 17: really thrilled with the work they're doing.
• 55:00
  Speaker 5: That's a that's a really good way of looking at it.
• 55:03
  Speaker 5: And I think that what we're going to have to
• 55:05
  Speaker 5: do is continue to hold people accountable. Accountability and transparency
• 55:11
  Speaker 5: are the only way that reform actually come about. Because
• 55:14
  Speaker 5: it's one thing to say that you're going to be
• 55:16
  Speaker 5: for you know when when Obamacare and you were, you
• 55:19
  Speaker 5: were neck deep in the in the battle for healthcare
• 55:22
  Speaker 5: ideas at the time. But when Obamacare got implemented, there
• 55:26
  Speaker 5: were a lot of things that was sold on that
• 55:28
  Speaker 5: never turned out to be true. And I think we
• 55:31
  Speaker 5: had we run the risk of doing the same thing
• 55:33
  Speaker 5: in the opposite direction if we don't hold ourselves accountable.
• 55:36
  Speaker 10: That's exactly right, you know.
• 55:37
  Speaker 17: I we could have a whole tangent about Obamacare. I
• 55:42
  Speaker 17: think that so much of it, you know, when Nancy
• 55:44
  Speaker 17: Pelosi said, well, I'm going to have to read the
• 55:46
  Speaker 17: past the bill to find out what's in it.
• 55:48
  Speaker 10: You know, we know what's in it, and it's a disaster,
• 55:50
  Speaker 10: you know.
• 55:51
  Speaker 17: But I do think what the administration is doing in
• 55:54
  Speaker 17: terms of healthcare and really what the MAHA movement is doing,
• 55:58
  Speaker 17: and to me, it's accountability, but it's also about respect.
• 56:03
  Speaker 17: You know, people deserve the right information to make the
• 56:05
  Speaker 17: right decisions for their families. They knew and I think
• 56:09
  Speaker 17: have known for a long time, but what's in their
• 56:11
  Speaker 17: food is a problem, and I think again this administration
• 56:15
  Speaker 17: is holding them to task for that.
• 56:18
  Speaker 5: You wrote about food dies and this was one of
• 56:21
  Speaker 5: the early wins that Kennedy and McCary were able to
• 56:25
  Speaker 5: get out of the gate when the administration came into office.
• 56:29
  Speaker 5: Where are we at now, Well.
• 56:31
  Speaker 17: We do have a voluntary agreement that manufacturers, by twenty
• 56:35
  Speaker 17: twenty seven will take certain food dies out. So there's
• 56:40
  Speaker 17: one red dye and a couple of different forms of
• 56:42
  Speaker 17: yellow dyes that we know are problematic, and so they're
• 56:47
  Speaker 17: going to be taking out food dies. That's not everything,
• 56:50
  Speaker 17: but it's definitely a huge step in the right direction.
• 56:54
  Speaker 17: The piece that I wrote was really about it's great
• 56:57
  Speaker 17: that by twenty twenty seven that there is going to
• 57:00
  Speaker 17: be this voluntary issue. But you know, I looked at
• 57:03
  Speaker 17: this and if you've ever traveled overseas and you see,
• 57:07
  Speaker 17: for example, you might have Dorito's in another country, they
• 57:09
  Speaker 17: might taste a little bit different when you look at that,
• 57:12
  Speaker 17: it's partially because other countries just don't have food dies.
• 57:17
  Speaker 17: And so I did sort of a deep dive, so
• 57:19
  Speaker 17: why is that in Europe?
• 57:20
  Speaker 10: And what are the differences?
• 57:22
  Speaker 17: And if you're a mom and you're shopping for your
• 57:24
  Speaker 17: kids and getting snacks because I'm a mom, you know,
• 57:27
  Speaker 17: I'm kind of have snacks for my kid, what are
• 57:31
  Speaker 17: the versions that you maybe want to pay a closer
• 57:34
  Speaker 17: eye to and maybe look for an alternative.
• 57:37
  Speaker 5: I know of what you speak because I was doing
• 57:40
  Speaker 5: some research. This was a few months ago. But on
• 57:43
  Speaker 5: simple things, there could be like thirty five or forty
• 57:47
  Speaker 5: ingredients that are in the American version of something like
• 57:50
  Speaker 5: I don't know, like really simple like froot loops or something,
• 57:53
  Speaker 5: and over there there's like six.
• 57:56
  Speaker 10: Yeah, exactly.
• 57:57
  Speaker 17: So one of the things that I think is so
• 57:59
  Speaker 17: interesting is that, especially with food dies, for a long time,
• 58:05
  Speaker 17: I think there were parents who were worried, does for example,
• 58:08
  Speaker 17: the sugar in the food that my kid is getting,
• 58:11
  Speaker 17: is that making my kid hyperactive?
• 58:13
  Speaker 10: Well, it turns out.
• 58:15
  Speaker 17: That there's a lot of sugar in foods with food dies.
• 58:19
  Speaker 17: So people did the studies on sugar. They didn't find
• 58:21
  Speaker 17: this association. But it turns out about twenty years ago,
• 58:25
  Speaker 17: there were a couple of studies that showed that certain
• 58:28
  Speaker 17: food dies can create hyperactivity in kids, and one in
• 58:34
  Speaker 17: five kids, as many as one in five can have
• 58:39
  Speaker 17: a gene where those food dyes are going to make
• 58:42
  Speaker 17: them hyperactive. This was such a big deal that many
• 58:45
  Speaker 17: years ago in Europe they didn't ban them, but they
• 58:48
  Speaker 17: said if you're going to sell snacks that you market.
• 58:52
  Speaker 10: To kids, you have to put a.
• 58:54
  Speaker 17: Warning label that says warning, this food can cause hyperactivity
• 58:58
  Speaker 17: in your child. Not surprisingly, the manufacturers did not want
• 59:02
  Speaker 17: to go along with that, so they just took the
• 59:04
  Speaker 17: food dies out and they use natural anative alternatives.
• 59:08
  Speaker 5: Well, and that's the basis for what we have in
• 59:11
  Speaker 5: terms of the agreement on the food dyes across the board.
• 59:14
  Speaker 5: Now right, you said the voluntary exactly, yeah, And chemically speaking,
• 59:18
  Speaker 5: doctor Johanan, what's the difference. What are the substances made
• 59:23
  Speaker 5: of that will give the color to the food in
• 59:25
  Speaker 5: the future versus what they're made of?
• 59:27
  Speaker 10: Now, well, there's sort of two pieces.
• 59:30
  Speaker 17: So the first piece is the main thing that happens
• 59:33
  Speaker 17: is if you think about asthma, you think about histamine,
• 59:37
  Speaker 17: those same receptors, it turns out, can make a kid
• 59:41
  Speaker 17: hyperactive if they get activated, and these food dyes trigger
• 59:45
  Speaker 17: histamine release in a pretty significant percentage of kids. So
• 59:50
  Speaker 17: a good example of a difference is Dorito's. So if
• 59:54
  Speaker 17: you look at Dorito's, they have one type of red
• 59:57
  Speaker 17: dye and two types of yellow dyes that are petroleum based.
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 17: In England, they use paprika to color the doritos. So
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 17: it can be natural colorings in lots of different ways.
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 17: It could be as simple, instead of three different petroleum dies,
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 17: you just coat them peprika.
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 5: And to hear you say that puts it into such
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 5: stark different perspective because we think of petroleum products and
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 5: I think of motor oil. In fact, every time I
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 5: think of the word petroleum, I think of the opening
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 5: to the Beverly Hillbilly Show like years ago, when Uncle
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 5: Jed shoots the ground and this ugly black stuff squirts
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 5: from the from the earth. And to think that we're
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 5: ingesting that as opposed to what's peprika pepper, it's it's well,
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 5: it's a.
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 10: Natural it's roasted pepper.
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 5: Yeah, it's rost red peppers. So it's like it's something
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 5: God made with the color. It's natural. Like it's it's
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 5: a no brainer. It seems to me when.
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 17: It comes to that, there's no part of me that's
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 17: gonna say you're bad mom if you let your kid
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 17: have dorito's or skittles or things like that. But there
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 17: are versions of these that, there are healthful versions. Right now,
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 17: you're already seeing manufacturers they are providing some of those
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 17: versions on the shelves. Now, what I would say is
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 17: if you look at the at the label, there are
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 17: a couple of different food dies that in particular could
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 17: be problematic.
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 5: Hold, this is a great this is a great suspenseful
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 5: point to take a break, and we need to do that.
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 5: So doctor Johannan, stay right there. We're speaking with doctor
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 5: Monique Johannan, who is the director for the Center for
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 5: Health at the Independent Women's Forum now and we are
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 5: excited to have her with us.
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 13: Don't go anywhere, Let's stick around for more fat. Kevin
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 13: next here. He is from New York, exact than Kevin McCullough.
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 5: Welcome back. It's Wednesday, and on Wednesday we take a
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 5: look at things that are related to your wellness and
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 5: to health and to helping provide a more healthy society,
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 5: all aspects of that. By the way, we don't discover
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 5: nutrition or fitness or medicine or things like that, but
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 5: we talk about spiritual health and mental health and relational health.
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 5: And I'm just glad to have this outlet to be
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 5: able to do this on a regular basis. Doctor Monique
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 5: Johannon is with us. The Center for Better Health is
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 5: what the Independent Women's Forum have formulated and she is
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 5: the director there. But she's been a long time contributor
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 5: to the Independent Women's Forum, and she's been involved deeply
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 5: in the healthcare issues that have affected some of our
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 5: most important populations. In fact, you have a lot of experience,
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 5: doctor Johannan with the senior population, and they're the ones
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 5: that probably face some of the biggest challenges in our culture.
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 5: But we're talking today about that the whole family faces,
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 5: but families raising kids. When you're talking about food, dyes
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 5: and things that companies are trying to do to make
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 5: particularly Saturday morning advertisements, look ye of your yeah, two children,
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  Speaker 5: these are the ones that we really need to be
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  Speaker 5: careful of. And this is what Secretary Kennedy and Director
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 5: McCary have focused on. Out of the shoot, they got dies,
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 5: they got a voluntary agreement at least out the door
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 5: fairly early in the administration. Now the implementation is coming
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 5: around and we're dealing with that. But you were saying,
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 5: there are two elements in particular that parents want to
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 5: be aware of before we went to break What are they?
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 17: So there's one red die.
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  Speaker 10: It's called Red forty.
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  Speaker 17: So bring your reading glasses back of the label Red forty,
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 17: and then there are two yellow dyes, yellow five and
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 17: yellow six.
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 10: There's a bunch of other ones.
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 17: I don't like long lists, so red and yellow basically
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 17: look at the label for those. Those are the ones
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 17: that we worry about and causing histamine release that can
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 17: cause behavior problems and kids. So if you stay away
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 17: from those, probably a good idea. Right now, a lot
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 17: of the manufacturers are reformulating their product products voluntarily, but
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 17: those again red forty, Yellow five, Yellow six. I will
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 17: give you a slightly longer list the ones that have them.
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 17: Fruit loops, lucky charms, those are the cereals. Then for
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 17: the snackcakes, Twinkies, Little Debbie Swiss rolls, and then for
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 17: the others, we have skittles and Doritos.
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 10: Those are the ones right now that.
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 17: I would say, not everything has them, but those are
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 17: the ones that sort of you really look at those
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 17: as ones that are particular concerned. So again, fruit loops,
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 17: lucky Charms, Twinkies, Little Debbie Swiss Rolls, Skittles, and Doritos.
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 5: I'm glad the Little Debbie omeal pies weren't in there,
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 5: because those were favorite.
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 17: Everring one of these full disclosure. The mom every one
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 17: of these I have let my child have. My child
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 17: is fine, so your kids are fine. It's just about
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 17: can we minimize exposure. And manufacturers are going to make
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 17: these voluntary changes. But right now, for example, Dorito's has
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 17: the version that's the natural version that is on the shelves.
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 17: Right now, there's more sugar in the foods that we're
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 17: giving to our kids. And that's really the strongest association.
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 17: The foods that have the most food does and we
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 17: worry about that's most tend to have the most sugar.
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 17: And so it's so in general, the use of these
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 17: has been happening for decades. But what I would say
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 17: is different is there's just more and more sugar in everything.
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 17: So more snacks that are sugary entered the market. So
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 17: the same products had it for a long time, we
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 17: just had more of those kinds of products.
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 5: Yeah, all right. I want to touch on something else
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 5: you've written about recently, and it's microplastics. And I'm afraid
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 5: to bring it up because I don't really want to
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 5: know how much of microplastics are ending up inside of me.
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 5: But this is an important issue and it wouldn't you
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 5: wouldn't be talking about it if it wasn't. So give
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 5: me the bad news.
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 17: Well, the bad news is it's in everything and you
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 17: can't get away from it one hundred percent. But there's
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 17: also some good news too. So basically, microplastics are in everything.
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 17: They are in the food chain, they are all sort
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 17: of they're everywhere in products, in the way products are developed.
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 10: But you can't really opt out completely of it.
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 17: But I had a piece in the Daily Wire a
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 17: few weeks back, and really the idea is, if you
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 17: can't opt out, are there some things that you can
• 1:06:48
  Speaker 17: do to make things safer? And the biggest thing I
• 1:06:51
  Speaker 17: hope your listeners can take away is that, well, you
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 17: can't completely opt out. The biggest risk with microplastic is heat.
• 1:06:59
  Speaker 17: So if you have, for example, a plastic container, don't
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 17: put it in the dishwasher, just don't. It will leach
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 17: off the microplastic, it'll bring it up to the surface.
• 1:07:12
  Speaker 10: It'll be safer for you to store your.
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 17: Food if you don't put plastic containers in the dishwasher. Now,
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 17: the safest thing is to switch from plastic to glass,
• 1:07:22
  Speaker 17: but not everybody's going to be able to afford to
• 1:07:24
  Speaker 17: throw out all their tupperware right away. So the second
• 1:07:27
  Speaker 17: version is just don't heat something up in the microwave.
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 17: If it comes in a plastic container, put it on
• 1:07:35
  Speaker 17: a plate. Yeah, just put it on a plate. So
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 17: if you don't put things in a microwave, plastic in
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 17: the dishwasher, you don't put plastic in the microwave, You're
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 17: going to dramatically decrease your mind.
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 5: That's actually very good, easy, easy tip to follow and
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 5: to know, and exactly. I appreciate that. I appreciate you
• 1:07:54
  Speaker 5: edumacating me a little bit on that, doctor mon.
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 17: I mean the dishwasher and the microwave, though, is really
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 17: the worst. So if you're only going to do one,
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 17: just don't microway things in.
• 1:08:05
  Speaker 10: A plastic container. We can't live our lives in fear,
• 1:08:09
  Speaker 10: you know.
• 1:08:09
  Speaker 17: Nothing about MAHA is about you can't ever have a treat.
• 1:08:14
  Speaker 17: Nothing about MAHA is about you have to live your
• 1:08:17
  Speaker 17: life in fear. It is about we deserve information, if
• 1:08:20
  Speaker 17: we deserve transparency, and if we can make some minor
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 17: adjustments to decrease some of the potential harmfulness.
• 1:08:27
  Speaker 5: It's worth it.
• 1:08:28
  Speaker 10: Let's do that.
• 1:08:28
  Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, all right, well I appreciate that, doctor Monikijohan
• 1:08:32
  Speaker 5: and director of the Center for Better Health at the
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 5: Independent Women's Forum. Thank you for being with us. We
• 1:08:36
  Speaker 5: always appreciate it.
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 10: Thank you so much. Kevin, have a great day.
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 5: You got it. Kevin McCalla coming right back.
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  Speaker 5: good people at Angel Tree Camping part of Prison Fellowship,
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  Speaker 5: and the senior director of all things angel Tree is
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  Speaker 5: Betsy Right and she rejoins us. Betsy, you and your team,
• 1:10:06
  Speaker 5: Steve Collins. Everybody that we've talked to has been just
• 1:10:08
  Speaker 5: great as we've understood better and better the depth of
• 1:10:12
  Speaker 5: the ministry of what happens at Angel Tree Camp. But
• 1:10:15
  Speaker 5: I just have to relate it. All I have to
• 1:10:17
  Speaker 5: do to really understand for myself is just go back
• 1:10:19
  Speaker 5: to my own summers at Christian camp when I was
• 1:10:22
  Speaker 5: a kid growing up, and there wasn't anything I wouldn't
• 1:10:25
  Speaker 5: do to try to get to that camp in the summertime.
• 1:10:29
  Speaker 5: The program I was in, I had to memorize some
• 1:10:31
  Speaker 5: verses and say them all throughout the school year to
• 1:10:33
  Speaker 5: someone at my church, and then if I said them right,
• 1:10:35
  Speaker 5: then I passed that chapter and got to move on
• 1:10:37
  Speaker 5: to the next one. I had to complete this entire
• 1:10:39
  Speaker 5: study book to do it, and it was a lot
• 1:10:41
  Speaker 5: of work, but I wanted to be there so badly.
• 1:10:44
  Speaker 5: I wanted to be there because I would make friends.
• 1:10:45
  Speaker 5: I wanted to be there because I would learn more
• 1:10:47
  Speaker 5: about Jesus. I'd have a ton of fun. The food
• 1:10:50
  Speaker 5: was amazing. I'd never had so much fun being kind
• 1:10:52
  Speaker 5: of out from underneath mom and Dad's supervision. And yet
• 1:10:57
  Speaker 5: it was wholesome and wonderful, and it decided me, and
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 5: it made me thirst for telling other people about Jesus.
• 1:11:04
  Speaker 5: And I know that that's true in the Angel Tree
• 1:11:06
  Speaker 5: system too, because some of the people that are actually
• 1:11:10
  Speaker 5: serving as counselors now were actually just campers just a
• 1:11:14
  Speaker 5: few years ago.
• 1:11:15
  Speaker 7: Yes, we.
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  Speaker 14: Encourage our camping partners to say, hey, look at those
• 1:11:21
  Speaker 14: Angel Tree kids that are coming through the program, that
• 1:11:24
  Speaker 14: come through with this story that is so hard for
• 1:11:28
  Speaker 14: us to hear. Sometimes pour into them, mentor them, or
• 1:11:32
  Speaker 14: raise them up as leaders. So many times when we
• 1:11:36
  Speaker 14: get feedback from camp at the end of the summer,
• 1:11:39
  Speaker 14: we hear the parents at home saying, my child wants
• 1:11:43
  Speaker 14: to be a counselor when they get older, because those
• 1:11:46
  Speaker 14: counselors are pouring into those kids and they're so so
• 1:11:51
  Speaker 14: thirsty for that love and that attention, and just the
• 1:11:57
  Speaker 14: gospel and the light that shines through them is so
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 14: attractive to our kids that they want to emulate that
• 1:12:02
  Speaker 14: because those counselors are changing lives, and so it's amazing
• 1:12:07
  Speaker 14: to see when we have a kid that starts out
• 1:12:10
  Speaker 14: and they're pretty rough, you know, and it's like the
• 1:12:14
  Speaker 14: camps are saying, oh, ready, it's the week that Joe's
• 1:12:17
  Speaker 14: coming back, right, Because behavior speaks loud kids kids often
• 1:12:22
  Speaker 14: don't have the language for what's going on at home,
• 1:12:24
  Speaker 14: and so their behavior speaks what they've experienced. But through
• 1:12:30
  Speaker 14: the process of attending camp, their life transforms. And sometimes
• 1:12:34
  Speaker 14: sometimes it happens in one week. Sometimes it takes a
• 1:12:37
  Speaker 14: few years. And I think of Thomas, who was on
• 1:12:43
  Speaker 14: the autistic spectrum and really really struggled with behavior and
• 1:12:47
  Speaker 14: some things at camp, and it took one year for
• 1:12:51
  Speaker 14: another kid to see him on the outskirts and kind
• 1:12:54
  Speaker 14: of help him through the transitions and the things at
• 1:12:58
  Speaker 14: camp and health help him to engage. But then the
• 1:13:02
  Speaker 14: camp said, oh, that's what Thomas needs, and so they
• 1:13:05
  Speaker 14: were able to minister to Thomas where he was. Thomas
• 1:13:09
  Speaker 14: then went to their CIT program to become a counselor
• 1:13:13
  Speaker 14: in training, and he was pouring back this last year
• 1:13:16
  Speaker 14: he was a junior counselor and with Thomas's journey through camp.
• 1:13:21
  Speaker 14: He is now a co leader of a group of
• 1:13:24
  Speaker 14: younger kids and they're learning the Bible versus and they're
• 1:13:28
  Speaker 14: winning the points at camp for their cabin learning the
• 1:13:31
  Speaker 14: most versus because of Thomas's influence. And Thomas was also
• 1:13:35
  Speaker 14: able to lead his younger brother to Jesus at camp.
• 1:13:39
  Speaker 5: That's what it's all about. To kids that came out
• 1:13:43
  Speaker 5: of incarcerated parent homes. That's a rough that's a rough scenario.
• 1:13:48
  Speaker 5: But can we use a little bit of the goodness
• 1:13:50
  Speaker 5: that God has given to us to make that help available,
• 1:13:54
  Speaker 5: to make that ministry available, to make that love available,
• 1:13:58
  Speaker 5: to make that mentoring of a I mean, Betsy, you
• 1:14:01
  Speaker 5: just walked through the whole story. But a kid that
• 1:14:04
  Speaker 5: had every reason to be angry number one at his circumstance,
• 1:14:10
  Speaker 5: but also kind of rejected because of the bad behavior
• 1:14:13
  Speaker 5: and all sorts of other things is now doing Jesus' work,
• 1:14:18
  Speaker 5: loving and pouring into other kids that were in the
• 1:14:22
  Speaker 5: same situation as he was in. And I know that.
• 1:14:26
  Speaker 5: I mean, I've talked to some of the folks. I
• 1:14:29
  Speaker 5: know that the kids show up, especially for the first time,
• 1:14:32
  Speaker 5: and they're like, I don't know if I'm going to
• 1:14:34
  Speaker 5: be accepted here because nobody's going to know that, you know,
• 1:14:36
  Speaker 5: my parents are in prison or whatever. And then they
• 1:14:39
  Speaker 5: figure out that most of the kids there, if not
• 1:14:41
  Speaker 5: all the kids there, have gone through the exact same thing,
• 1:14:44
  Speaker 5: and by somewhere around lunchtime on Monday, some kids says, hey,
• 1:14:47
  Speaker 5: what are your parents in for? And they break down
• 1:14:51
  Speaker 5: the walls and then just a short five six days later,
• 1:14:55
  Speaker 5: they're they're hugging those counselors saying, I don't want to
• 1:14:57
  Speaker 5: go home. This has been so life changing to me.
• 1:15:01
  Speaker 5: I just I just want to give that gift to
• 1:15:04
  Speaker 5: every child that comes, like, I just want them to
• 1:15:07
  Speaker 5: know the love that Jesus has for them and how
• 1:15:10
  Speaker 5: that offsets a lot of the negative stuff that they've
• 1:15:13
  Speaker 5: had in their life. You've spoken before about how this
• 1:15:17
  Speaker 5: may be the only safe place where they've ever been
• 1:15:19
  Speaker 5: able to come and just like let it all go.
• 1:15:21
  Speaker 5: Just say, this is really hard and I'm really struggling
• 1:15:24
  Speaker 5: with this, and yet it's the perfect setting for a child,
• 1:15:27
  Speaker 5: for an Angel Tree kid to be able to do that.
• 1:15:29
  Speaker 14: Yes, you know, I think of there's an devotional book
• 1:15:33
  Speaker 14: called Streams in the Desert, and I just think that
• 1:15:39
  Speaker 14: sometimes that's what camp is for these kids. It's the
• 1:15:42
  Speaker 14: living water in their life that feels like a desert
• 1:15:47
  Speaker 14: so many times, and they come and they are just
• 1:15:51
  Speaker 14: poured into with the love of Jesus, and you can't
• 1:15:55
  Speaker 14: walk away from that experience unchanged.
• 1:15:58
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• 1:16:13
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  Speaker 5: that's really what you believe. And I think Major League
• 1:17:57
  Speaker 5: Baseball just did that. Yesterday. Three San Francisco Giants pitchers
• 1:18:02
  Speaker 5: wore Bible references on their caps at Pride Night, not profanity,
• 1:18:07
  Speaker 5: not political slogans, no attacks on anyone, just Bible verses.
• 1:18:11
  Speaker 5: And they wrote Genesis nine, verses twelve through sixteen, And
• 1:18:15
  Speaker 5: if you're unfamiliar with it, that's the passage where God
• 1:18:18
  Speaker 5: establishes his covenant after the flood and gives the rainbow
• 1:18:22
  Speaker 5: as a sign of that promise. That's what the rainbow is.
• 1:18:25
  Speaker 5: It's a promise from God to humanity that he'll never
• 1:18:30
  Speaker 5: judge the world again with a flood. He'll he'll never
• 1:18:34
  Speaker 5: force the consequence of sending a worldwide flood. Just a
• 1:18:38
  Speaker 5: Bible verse though, That's all it is. And MLB reportedly
• 1:18:41
  Speaker 5: warned that the players that did that will not be
• 1:18:45
  Speaker 5: tolerated in doing so in the future, or anybody else
• 1:18:48
  Speaker 5: that tries to do that. Yeaw, hold on a second,
• 1:18:51
  Speaker 5: because this is where those of us that are paying
• 1:18:53
  Speaker 5: attention we sometimes get whiplash over this. For years, we've
• 1:18:56
  Speaker 5: been told sports leagues should be platforms for messages. Remember
• 1:19:02
  Speaker 5: the slogans on uniforms. Remember when Black Lives Matter patches
• 1:19:06
  Speaker 5: were being worn. Remember the messages painted on fields and
• 1:19:11
  Speaker 5: basketball courts and everywhere else. Remember when athletes were encouraged
• 1:19:15
  Speaker 5: to use their platform the leagues didn't merely allow those messages.
• 1:19:20
  Speaker 5: They promoted them, they celebrated them, they amplified them. But
• 1:19:23
  Speaker 5: now three players reference scripture and suddenly we're told, oh, sorry,
• 1:19:27
  Speaker 5: rules or rules really? Senator Josh Holly is asking the
• 1:19:33
  Speaker 5: obvious question. If the rule is no messages, then why
• 1:19:36
  Speaker 5: were other messages permitted and promoted and pushed. This isn't
• 1:19:40
  Speaker 5: about uniforms. It's about viewpoint, and that's the part that
• 1:19:44
  Speaker 5: should bother everybody, even if you're not religious, even if
• 1:19:46
  Speaker 5: you don't attend church, even if you disagree with those players.
• 1:19:51
  Speaker 5: Freedom isn't tested when everybody agrees. Freedom is tested when
• 1:19:54
  Speaker 5: somebody says something that the people in power don't particularly like.
• 1:19:58
  Speaker 5: And can we also stop pretending that a Bible verse
• 1:20:01
  Speaker 5: is somehow an active aggression. One columnist criticized the players
• 1:20:05
  Speaker 5: because the verse reminded people what the rainbow originally represented
• 1:20:09
  Speaker 5: in scripture. Well, I'm sorry it does. That's not hateful,
• 1:20:15
  Speaker 5: it's historical and biblical. The rainbow meant something long before
• 1:20:20
  Speaker 5: corporate marketing departments discovered it. The players weren't insulting anyone,
• 1:20:24
  Speaker 5: They weren't disrupting the game, they weren't refusing to play
• 1:20:28
  Speaker 5: They simply expressed a belief, and for that MLB decided
• 1:20:32
  Speaker 5: they had to stick their scrawny finger in their face.
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  Speaker 5: Let's have actual diversity going forward, not diversity of race
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  Speaker 5: or uniforms or marketing campaigns, not diversity, but rather diversity
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  Speaker 5: of thought. And how about makes some room for Christian
• 1:20:49
  Speaker 5: thought too? How about room for people who read Genesis
• 1:20:52
  Speaker 5: and actually believe it. If Major League Baseball wants credibility,
• 1:20:57
  Speaker 5: it needs one standard for everybody. Either messages belong in
• 1:21:01
  Speaker 5: the game or they don't. And either personal expression matters
• 1:21:05
  Speaker 5: or it doesn't. What you cannot do is celebrate one
• 1:21:08
  Speaker 5: set of beliefs and punish another set of beliefs and
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  Speaker 5: then tell us with a straight face you're being neutral.
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  Speaker 5: Nobody believes that anymore, and honestly, the people who think
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  Speaker 5: Americans are too blind to notice the difference. As I
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  Speaker 5: said earlier, those people are nuts. I'm Kevin mccowbull