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The 18 Most Shocking College Crimes · Murder Files Unsealed

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Speaker 1: So if you think back to the summer of 1990,
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Speaker 1: it was actually completely normal, like even expected for college
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Speaker 1: students to just sleep with their ground floor apartment windows
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Speaker 1: wide open on a hot night.
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Speaker 2: Yeah. You really didn't even think twice about it back then. Right.
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Speaker 1: Exactly.
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Speaker 2: Yeah.
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Speaker 1: Because the campus and, you know, the surrounding town, it
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Speaker 1: all felt like this protected kingdom, like this bubble that
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Speaker 1: was explicitly designed to keep the harsher realities of the
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Speaker 1: world out.
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Speaker 2: I mean, that was the whole appeal of the college town, right?
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Speaker 1: Exactly. Exactly. But by September of that exact same year,
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Speaker 1: hardware stores in college towns across America were just completely
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Speaker 1: sold out of deadbolts, window locks, you know, security bars.
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Speaker 2: Yeah. The panic was very, very real.
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Speaker 1: It was. That bubble didn't just pop. It was violently shattered.
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Speaker 1: And so today we were doing a deep dive into
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Speaker 1: exactly what shattered it and, well, why decades later we
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Speaker 1: are still struggling to put those pieces back together.
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Speaker 2: It really is a profound shift in our cultural psychology
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Speaker 2: when you look at it.
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Speaker 1: It is. And we have this vast compilation of source
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Speaker 1: material in front of us today detailing 18 of the
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Speaker 1: most extreme, shocking college crimes. And this spans from that
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Speaker 1: pivotal moment in 1990 all the way to trials that are,
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Speaker 1: I mean, literally beginning right now in late 2026.
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Speaker 2: Right, and the mission of this deep dive, just to
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Speaker 2: be clear, is to look well beyond the sensationalized true
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Speaker 2: crime headlines.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, we really need to dissect the underlying mechanisms here.
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Speaker 2: Exactly. Like, why do spaces that are architecturally and socially
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Speaker 2: engineered for safety suddenly become ground zero for such tragedy?
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Speaker 1: Because it doesn't make sense on the surface.
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Speaker 2: It doesn't. We have to ask what the sociological patterns are,
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Speaker 2: the psychological blind spots, and, you know, the systemic institutional
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Speaker 2: failures that actually allow this to happen.
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Speaker 1: And whether you are... say, a current student walking across
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Speaker 1: a quad right now or a parent paying tuition or
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Speaker 1: just someone fascinated by human behavior, you know, this matters.
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Speaker 2: It absolutely matters to all of us.
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Speaker 1: Right, because these extreme outliers, they act as stress tests
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Speaker 1: for our society. They show us exactly where our social
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Speaker 1: contracts are weakest.
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Speaker 2: And where our institutions fail, too.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, and where the justice system fundamentally, you know, struggles
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Speaker 1: to deliver closure.
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Speaker 2: If we connect this to the bigger picture... Analyzing these
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Speaker 2: cases is not about indulging in paranoia or morbid curiosity.
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Speaker 1: No, not at all.
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Speaker 2: It is an exercise in critical thinking. We are really
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Speaker 2: looking at human nature operating within a very specific, highly
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Speaker 2: pressurized ecosystem.
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Speaker 1: So let's unpack the first major vulnerability of that ecosystem,
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Speaker 1: which is, well, the monster at the gates.
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Speaker 2: Right. External threats.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, we're talking about when the chaos of the outside
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Speaker 1: world forcibly breaches the campus perimeter. And to really understand
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Speaker 1: the modern architecture of college security, I mean, we have
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Speaker 1: to start with the catalyst.
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Speaker 2: August 1990.
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Speaker 1: Right. The University of Florida in Gainesville.
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Speaker 2: The Gainesville Ripper. I mean, the atmosphere on that campus
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Speaker 2: during that time is just almost unimaginable today.
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Speaker 1: It really is. Over the course of just a few days,
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Speaker 1: this drifter named Danny Rowling broke into off-campus apartments and
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Speaker 1: he brutally murdered five students.
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Speaker 2: Christina Powell, Krista Hoyt, Sandra Larson, Manny Taboda, and Tracy Pauls.
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Speaker 1: And You know, it wasn't just the sheer violence that
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Speaker 1: paralyzed the community. It was the psychological warfare he deliberately waged.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, the details are just horrific.
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Speaker 1: Like Manny Toboto was this physically imposing guy sleeping in
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Speaker 1: his own bed and just tragically in the wrong place
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Speaker 1: at the wrong time when Rowling broke in to target
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Speaker 1: his roommate Tracy.
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Speaker 2: Right.
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Speaker 1: But Rowling didn't just kill these students. He meticulously, like
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Speaker 1: theatrically killed. pose their bodies post-mortem.
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Speaker 2: Because he wanted to inflict maximum psychological trauma on whoever
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Speaker 2: walked through that door to find them.
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Speaker 1: Exactly. I mean, in one particularly horrific instance, he decapitated
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Speaker 1: a victim and actually placed her head on a bookshelf
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Speaker 1: facing the door.
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Speaker 2: It was a calculated desecration. It was designed to generate
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Speaker 2: absolute terror. And honestly, it worked.
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Speaker 1: It really did. A student who was there at the time,
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Speaker 1: Jeremy Heligar, he recently wrote an article reflecting on that summer.
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Speaker 1: And he said he was quite literally too terrified to sleep.
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Speaker 2: I can't even imagine being a student there at that moment.
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Speaker 1: Right. And thousands of students just packed up their cars
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Speaker 1: and abandoned the university mid-semester. The collective panic was so
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Speaker 1: intense that it directly inspired Kevin Williamson to write the
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Speaker 1: screenplay for the movie Scream.
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Speaker 2: Oh, wow. Really? Yeah.
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Speaker 1: I mean, Rowling was eventually caught. He was already in
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Speaker 1: jail on an unrelated burglary charge, confessed to a previous
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Speaker 1: triple homicide in Louisiana and went to trial, and it
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Speaker 1: was executed in 2006.
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Speaker 2: Right.
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Speaker 1: But the damage to the American psyche was already permanent,
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Speaker 1: wasn't it?
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Speaker 2: Completely permanent. I mean, the infrastructure of the modern American
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Speaker 2: university is largely a reaction to Gainesville.
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Speaker 1: Like the blue light phones.
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Speaker 2: Exactly. Before 1990, a college town was synonymous with an
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Speaker 2: open door policy. Afterward, you see the rapid widespread implementation
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Speaker 2: of those emergency blue light phones dotting the quads. You
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Speaker 2: see the introduction of mandatory key card access for dormitories.
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Speaker 2: The hiring of privatized campus police forces and a massive
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Speaker 2: legal shift in how universities viewed their liability.
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Speaker 1: It was basically the end of an era of presumed innocence.
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Speaker 2: It really was. We decided we could engineer our way
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Speaker 2: to safety with locked doors and perimeters.
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Speaker 1: But, you know, the terrifying reality of the source material
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Speaker 1: is that even with all the key cards and blue lights,
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Speaker 1: the outside world still finds a way in.
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Speaker 2: It always does.
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Speaker 1: And sometimes the motives are just so detached from the
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Speaker 1: victims that That it completely defies all logic. Like, I
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Speaker 1: want to jump to February 2022. Okay. The State University
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Speaker 1: of New York at Potsdam. We have this 21-year-old music
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Speaker 1: education student named Elizabeth Howell. She's weeks away from graduating.
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Speaker 1: She's walking on a road near campus, and she is
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Speaker 1: randomly shot and killed.
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Speaker 2: By a 31-year-old man named Michael J. Snow, a man
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Speaker 2: who had absolutely zero personal connection to her.
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Speaker 1: And the details of how and why he did this
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Speaker 1: are just, well, they really floor me. Okay, let's unpack this.
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Speaker 1: He used a ghost gun.
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Speaker 2: Right.
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Speaker 1: And when he pleaded guilty, and he's serving 22 years
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Speaker 1: to life now, by the way, he confessed that his
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Speaker 1: motive was this convoluted revenge plot against a former co-worker.
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Speaker 2: A co-worker who was employed by the university.
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Speaker 1: Yes. He decided the best way to get back at
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Speaker 1: this co-worker was to inflict catastrophic PR damage on the
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Speaker 1: institution itself by, you know, randomly murdering one of its students.
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Speaker 2: I mean, it is the ultimate objectification of a human life.
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Speaker 1: It really is.
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Speaker 2: Elizabeth Howell wasn't even a person to him. She was
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Speaker 2: merely a proxy. Like she was a tool he used
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Speaker 2: to damage a brand just to settle a petty grievance
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Speaker 2: with a third party.
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Speaker 1: I've really struggled to wrap my mind around that level
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Speaker 1: of detachment.
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Speaker 2: Terrifying.
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Speaker 1: It's like someone deciding they want to burn down a
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Speaker 1: massive ancient forest simply because they have a grudge against
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Speaker 1: one specific tree and they don't care at all about
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Speaker 1: the millions of lives extinguished in the blaze.
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Speaker 2: That's a really good way of putting it.
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Speaker 1: But I want to pause on the method for a
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Speaker 1: second because the sources note he used a ghost gun.
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Speaker 1: And for anyone not steeped in modern ballistics, how does
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Speaker 1: someone even acquire a weapon like that to carry out
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Speaker 1: a random attack?
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Speaker 2: Well, this is a crucial point about how external threats
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Speaker 2: completely bypass the security measures we just talked about.
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Speaker 1: Okay, so how does it work?
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Speaker 2: So a ghost gun is a privately made firearm. Typically,
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Speaker 2: an individual purchases what's called an 80% receiver or like
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Speaker 2: a parts kit online.
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Speaker 1: Okay.
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Speaker 2: Because it is not fully assembled under current federal regulations,
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Speaker 2: it is not legally classified as a firearm at the
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Speaker 2: point of sale.
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Speaker 1: Wait, really?
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Speaker 2: Yes. Therefore, it completely bypasses background checks, waiting periods, and
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Speaker 2: most importantly, it lacks a commercial serial number.
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Speaker 1: So anyone can just buy one?
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Speaker 2: Basically. The buyer just finishes assembling it at home, sometimes
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Speaker 2: even using 3D printed parts.
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Speaker 1: Wow. So, I mean, if a weapon like that is
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Speaker 1: left at a crime scene, law enforcement has absolutely no
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Speaker 1: physical paper trail to follow.
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Speaker 2: Exactly. You cannot trace the manufacturer to the distributor to
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Speaker 2: the retailer to the buyer. It severs the forensic chain entirely.
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Speaker 1: That is wild.
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Speaker 2: So you have a perpetrator bypassing systemic security checks to
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Speaker 2: acquire the weapon and then bypassing campus security perimeters to
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Speaker 2: commit a completely random act of proxy violence.
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Speaker 1: It just illustrates the terrifying unpredictability of the external threat. Right.
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Speaker 2: You can follow every safety protocol, you know, walk with
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Speaker 2: a buddy, stay in well-lit areas, but you cannot account
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Speaker 2: for the sheer randomness of pathological grievance armed with untraceable technology.
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Speaker 1: Which brings up a really unsettling question, honestly. Like, how
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Speaker 1: do we even begin to assess who the threat is?
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Speaker 2: It's incredibly difficult.
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Speaker 1: Because we give young adults this mental profile of danger, right?
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Speaker 1: Like the proverbial stranger in a dark alley. But two
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Speaker 1: cases in our stack completely obliterate that profile.
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Speaker 2: Oh, absolutely.
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Speaker 1: First, August 2022, the University of West Georgia. An 18-year-old
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Speaker 1: incoming freshman, Anna Jones, is sitting in a parked car
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Speaker 1: off campus. Right. She is killed when a man fires
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Speaker 1: into the vehicle. But the shooter wasn't a random drifter.
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Speaker 1: It was a respected college professor named Richard Sigman.
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Speaker 2: An authority figure.
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Speaker 1: Exactly. He was at a local spot called Leopoldo's Pizza,
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Speaker 1: got into a verbal altercation, threatened someone, got kicked out,
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Speaker 1: walked into the parking deck, And in a fit of rage,
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Speaker 1: just blindly fired into a parked car.
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Speaker 2: It's just horrific.
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Speaker 1: He pleaded guilty to malice murder in 2023 and is
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Speaker 1: serving a life sentence. And then, I mean, you contrast
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Speaker 1: that absolute failure of an authority figure with what happened
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Speaker 1: at Barnard College in New York City in 2019.
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Speaker 2: Right. The Tessa Majors case?
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Speaker 1: Yes. Tessa was just 18. She was walking through Morningside Park,
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Speaker 1: which borders the campus. She is ambushed and fatally stabbed
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Speaker 1: during a botched robbery.
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Speaker 2: And she bravely fought them off, didn't she?
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Speaker 1: She did. She managed to stagger up a staircase for help,
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Speaker 1: but tragically succumbed to her injuries. And the attackers, they
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Speaker 1: were hardened career criminals. They were three men. school boys.
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Speaker 2: It's so hard to comprehend.
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Speaker 1: Two were 14, one was 13.
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Speaker 2: This is exactly where the cognitive dissonance of threat assessment
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Speaker 2: comes into play.
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Speaker 1: What do you mean by that?
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Speaker 2: Well, human brains rely on heuristics, right?
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Speaker 1: Yeah.
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Speaker 2: Mental shortcuts to quickly categorize our environments. into safe and unsafe.
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Speaker 1: Oh, right, like profiling. Yes.
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Speaker 2: A professor, someone whose societal role is literally built on
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Speaker 2: the mandate to guide and protect students, is automatically categorized
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Speaker 2: as safe.
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Speaker 1: Right. You don't look at a professor and think danger.
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Speaker 2: Exactly. And a group of young adolescents, literal children who
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Speaker 2: aren't even old enough to get a learner's permit, they're
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Speaker 2: also categorized as non-threatening.
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Speaker 1: But in reality, the 14-year-olds pleaded guilty to murder and
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Speaker 1: robbery and received adult sentences of nine to life and
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Speaker 1: 14 to life. And the 13-year-old was sentenced to 18
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Speaker 1: months in a juvenile facility.
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Speaker 2: When extreme violence originates from the very demographics we are
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Speaker 2: biologically and socially conditioned to trust, I mean, it just
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Speaker 2: shatters the psychological perimeter of the campus bubble.
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Speaker 1: It really does.
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Speaker 2: The West Georgia case is a grotesque violation of the
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Speaker 2: educator-student social contract. And the Barnard case forces a community
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Speaker 2: to reconcile with the horrific reality that young adolescents are
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Speaker 2: capable of lethal escalation.
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Speaker 1: Both cases basically prove that external chaos just doesn't adhere
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Speaker 1: to the rules of the profiles we've created to feel safe.
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Speaker 2: Not at all.
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Speaker 1: It's deeply unsettling. The idea that you can't even trust
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Speaker 1: the profile of the threat. But as terrifying as it
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Speaker 1: is to think about the outside world bleeding into the campus,
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Speaker 1: statistically and psychologically, the sources point to a much deeper,
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Speaker 1: more insidious fear.
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Speaker 2: Right.
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Speaker 1: If the danger of a stranger is their unpredictability... The
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Speaker 1: danger of an insider is our absolute vulnerability to them.
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Speaker 2: Because they already have access.
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Speaker 1: Exactly. We have to look at what happens when the
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Speaker 1: call is coming from inside the house.
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Speaker 2: We are shifting from the external breach to internal betrayal.
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Speaker 2: Crimes committed by peers, romantic partners, and roommates.
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Speaker 1: The ultimate pressure cooker of campus social life. Let's start
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Speaker 1: with intimate partner violence, or IPV. We have three specific
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Speaker 1: cases here that demonstrate how rapidly college romances can turn lethal.
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Speaker 1: But before we get to the cases... Why is this
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Speaker 1: environment uniquely volatile? I mean, people date everywhere, right? So
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Speaker 1: what is it about a university setting that amplifies the
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Speaker 1: danger so much?
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Speaker 2: Well, a college campus is a closed ecosystem. It artificially
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Speaker 2: accelerates intimacy. You have young adults, often away from their
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Speaker 2: lifelong support networks for the first time, experiencing intense emotional
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Speaker 2: and physiological bonds. But more importantly, the architecture of a campus...
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Speaker 2: fundamentally prevents the physical distance necessary to safely extract oneself
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Speaker 2: from a toxic relationship.
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Speaker 1: Oh, that makes sense. Like, you can't just leave.
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Speaker 2: Exactly. If you break up with someone in the adult world,
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Speaker 2: you can block their number, move apartments, and potentially never
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Speaker 2: see them again.
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Speaker 1: Right.
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Speaker 2: On a campus, you share the same dining halls, you
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Speaker 2: might share the same major. Your friend groups are entirely overlapping.
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Speaker 1: You literally cannot escape them. The proximity is enforced by
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Speaker 1: the institution itself.
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Speaker 2: Exactly. The abuser has constant easy access. And when an
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Speaker 2: abuser feels their control over their partner slipping, well, that
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Speaker 2: inescapable proximity allows for swift, devastating escalation.
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Speaker 1: And we see the ultimate tragic outcome of that escalation
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Speaker 1: of the 2019 case at Ole Miss, the University of Mississippi. Right.
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Speaker 1: 21-year-old Allie Costiel was shot eight times at Sardis Lake
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Speaker 1: by her on-again, off-again boyfriend, 22-year-old Brandon Thiesfeld.
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Speaker 2: It's just a heartbreaking case.
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Speaker 1: And the motive outlined by prosecutors is chilling. Allie had
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Speaker 1: told him she thought she might be pregnant.
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Speaker 2: Right.
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Speaker 1: Brandon ordered her to terminate the pregnancy because he didn't
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Speaker 1: want to be a father, and when she didn't immediately comply,
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Speaker 1: he killed her. Awful. And the most heartbreaking autopsy result,
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Speaker 1: she wasn't even pregnant.
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Speaker 2: Wow.
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Speaker 1: He pleaded guilty to first-degree murder and got life in prison.
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Speaker 2: Look at the psychology of the motive there, though.
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Speaker 1: What do you see?
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Speaker 2: He viewed the potential pregnancy not as a shared, complex
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Speaker 2: human situation, but as a direct, unacceptable threat to his
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Speaker 2: autonomy and his meticulously planned future.
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Speaker 1: Right, like an obstacle.
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Speaker 2: Exactly. He responded with ultimate violence to unilaterally erase that obstacle.
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Speaker 2: In these insular environments, a partner can become dangerously objectified.
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Speaker 1: They cease to be a human being.
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Speaker 2: Right. They lose their agency and are viewed merely as
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Speaker 2: an extension of the perpetrator's ego or just a roadblock
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Speaker 2: to their success.
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Speaker 1: And we saw an alarmingly similar dynamic of an ex-partner
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Speaker 1: refusing to relinquish control at Portland State University in April 2022.
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Speaker 1: 19-year-old Amara Marluk was shot and killed near campus by
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Speaker 1: her ex-boyfriend, 20-year-old Kenan Harpole, who's a former college football player.
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Speaker 2: Right.
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Speaker 1: He took a plea deal for manslaughter in 2024 and
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Speaker 1: received a 23-year sentence. And then at the University of
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Speaker 1: Vermont in July 2022, just a horrific escalation.
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Speaker 2: What happened there?
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Speaker 1: 22-year-old rising senior Kayla Noonan is in her friend's apartment.
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Speaker 1: 27-year-old Nicole Dixon breaks a window, enters with an AR-15
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Speaker 1: short-barreled rifle, murders Kayla, severely wounds her friend, and then
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Speaker 1: turns the gun on himself.
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Speaker 2: Good Lord.
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Speaker 1: Yeah. And police explicitly classified it as domestic violence stemming
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Speaker 1: from an amorous relationship.
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Speaker 2: What is incredibly consistent across all three of these tragedies
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Speaker 2: is the perpetrator's absolute refusal to accept a boundary.
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Speaker 1: Exactly.
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Speaker 2: When the victim attempts to assert independence, the abuser interprets
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Speaker 2: it as a catastrophic loss of control. And because the
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Speaker 2: campus environment has already isolated the victim from outside intervention,
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Speaker 2: the violence happens in this echo chamber.
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Speaker 1: In that intense social pressure cooker. It doesn't just isolate
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Speaker 1: people in romantic breakups, right? It can also trap people
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Speaker 1: in their own secrets.
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Speaker 2: Very true.
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Speaker 1: The fear of social exposure can become a fatal motive itself.
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Speaker 1: Which brings us back to Ole Miss, actually. July 2022. Okay,
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Speaker 1: another case there. Yeah, a 20-year-old student named Jimmy J.
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Speaker 1: Lee vanishes. Two weeks later, another student, 22-year-old Sheldon Timothy
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Speaker 1: Harrington Jr., is arrested for his murder.
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Speaker 2: And the motive.
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Speaker 1: Prosecutors explicitly allege that Harrington killed Lee To hide the
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Speaker 1: fact that they were in a sexual relationship.
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Speaker 2: The preservation of a secret at the cost of a
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Speaker 2: human life.
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Speaker 1: Exactly. And the legal journey here was just agonizing for
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Speaker 1: Lee's family. Harrington went to trial in 2024, but because
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Speaker 1: they hadn't found Lee's body, the jury couldn't agree.
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Speaker 2: Oh, a hung jury.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, it deadlocked in a mistrial. The system was completely stuck.
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Speaker 1: It wasn't until February 2025, when a work crew was
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Speaker 1: out near a dumping ground about 90 minutes from campus,
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Speaker 1: that they finally found Lee's decomposed remains.
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Speaker 2: Wow.
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Speaker 1: And the identifying detail was this gold necklace buried with
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Speaker 1: him that simply spelled out J. Lee.
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Speaker 2: That's heartbreaking.
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Speaker 1: Faced with a retrial and the new physical evidence, Harrington
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Speaker 1: finally pleaded guilty to second-degree murder and tampering with evidence
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Speaker 1: just a few months ago in December 2025. He was
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Speaker 1: sentenced to 40 years.
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Speaker 2: This case is a devastating sociological autopsy of campus culture.
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Speaker 1: How do you mean?
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Speaker 2: Well, a university is theoretically a bastion of open-mindedness, you know,
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Speaker 2: a place of self-discovery.
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Speaker 1: Right, ideally.
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Speaker 2: Yet within the specific cultural microcosm of this community, the
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Speaker 2: fear of social stigma, the fear of being outed, was
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Speaker 2: perceived by Harrington as a fate worse than actually committing murder.
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Speaker 1: It's baffling.
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Speaker 2: The cognitive dissonance required to execute a peer and coordinate
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Speaker 2: a massive cover-up, all just to protect a societal reputation,
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Speaker 2: it just shows how incredibly toxic the desire to conform
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Speaker 2: can become.
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Speaker 1: That is the tragic irony that I just can't shake.
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Speaker 1: You are surrounded by tens of thousands of young people,
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Speaker 1: Yet you can feel so deeply trapped by the perceived
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Speaker 1: expectations of your peers that you resort to ultimate violence.
17:45
Speaker 2: It's incredibly sad.
17:46
Speaker 1: But as we look at the internal threats, you know,
17:49
Speaker 1: it's not always about romantic or sexual entanglement. Sometimes the
17:53
Speaker 1: threat is sleeping three feet away from you.
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Speaker 2: Right.
17:55
Speaker 1: Let's talk about the unique horror of roommate and dorm violence.
17:59
Speaker 2: This brings us to a really fundamental psychological concept, the
18:04
Speaker 2: safe zone.
18:05
Speaker 1: Okay, break that down for us.
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Speaker 2: When an individual enters a college environment, their dorm room
18:10
Speaker 2: or their shared off-campus apartment operates as their primary sanctuary.
18:15
Speaker 1: Their home base.
18:16
Speaker 2: Evolutionarily, we need a place where we can drop our hypervigilance,
18:20
Speaker 2: take off our social armor, and literally close our eyes
18:23
Speaker 2: to sleep.
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Speaker 1: Right, you have to feel safe to sleep.
18:25
Speaker 2: When a peer violates that specific space, it is uniquely traumatizing.
18:30
Speaker 2: It doesn't just harm the victim. It psychologically paralyzes the
18:34
Speaker 2: entire community.
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Speaker 1: Because it shatters the trust.
18:36
Speaker 2: Exactly. It shatters the fundamental assumption of safety at its
18:40
Speaker 2: very core.
18:40
Speaker 1: And we have three cases that highlight how dangerous that
18:44
Speaker 1: forced proximity can be. Let's start with a case that
18:47
Speaker 1: is unfolding right now in the courts. Campbellsville University in Kentucky,
18:51
Speaker 1: February 2024. An 18-year-old freshman wrestler, Josiah Malachi-Killman, is found
18:57
Speaker 1: completely unresponsive in his dorm room. He had been manually
19:01
Speaker 1: strangled to death. The suspect arrested was his 21-year-old fellow
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Speaker 1: student and wrestling teammate, Charles E. Escalera.
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Speaker 2: A teammate.
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Speaker 1: Wow. He was actually found hiding in a barn on
19:11
Speaker 1: a nearby farm. He is pleaded not guilty, and his
19:15
Speaker 1: trial is literally scheduled for next month, July 27, 2026.
19:19
Speaker 2: Manual strangulation is a deeply intimate, prolonged form of violence. Right.
19:24
Speaker 1: It's not like a quick gunshot.
19:25
Speaker 2: No, it takes time. To have that occur between teammates
19:28
Speaker 2: in a space they both inhabit represents a sudden and
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Speaker 2: catastrophic breakdown of trust.
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Speaker 1: It's terrifying.
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Speaker 2: You go to sleep assuming the person across the room
19:36
Speaker 2: has your back and you never wake up.
19:38
Speaker 1: And history shows us this specific type of betrayal leaves
19:41
Speaker 1: a permanent scar on a campus. Like, let's go back
19:44
Speaker 1: to 2000 and 2001 at Gallaudet University in Washington, D.C.
19:48
Speaker 2: Right, which is famously the premier institute for the deaf
19:50
Speaker 2: and hard of hearing.
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Speaker 1: Yes. Over the course of five months, two murders occurred
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Speaker 1: in the exact same dormitory, Cogswell Hall.
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Speaker 2: In the same building.
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Speaker 1: 19-year-old Eric Plunkett was bludgeoned to death in September 2000,
20:04
Speaker 1: and then in February 2001, 19-year-old Benjamin Varner was fatally stabbed.
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Speaker 2: And who is the killer?
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Speaker 1: A fellow student, Joseph M. Macy Jr., who lived in
20:14
Speaker 1: that same dorm. He was eventually convicted of both murders
20:17
Speaker 1: and sentenced to life without parole.
20:19
Speaker 2: And his motive?
20:20
Speaker 1: Simple robbery. He literally just wanted their debit cards.
20:23
Speaker 2: The psychological toll on that specific community is just almost incalculable.
20:27
Speaker 1: I can't even imagine.
20:28
Speaker 2: You have a predator operating within the very building where
20:31
Speaker 2: students sleep. But more than that, Gallaudet is a sanctuary
20:34
Speaker 2: for a specific sensory minority community.
20:37
Speaker 1: Right.
20:38
Speaker 2: To have someone weaponize the vulnerability of that community, knowing
20:41
Speaker 2: that sounds of a struggle might not be heard by neighbors,
20:45
Speaker 2: it turns the ultimate safe haven into a hunting ground.
20:48
Speaker 1: It's an absolute nightmare. Then you have the 2019 case
20:51
Speaker 1: at Clark Atlanta University.
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Speaker 2: What happened there?
20:53
Speaker 1: 21-year-old Alexis Crawford goes missing. Her family and friends are
20:57
Speaker 1: in a panic. Her roommate, Jordan Jones, is seemingly distraught.
21:01
Speaker 1: She's even helping with the search. Oh, wow. Yeah, but
21:04
Speaker 1: it turns out Alexis was murdered by Jordan Jones. and
21:08
Speaker 1: Jones' boyfriend, Baron Brantley, inside their shared off-campus apartment.
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Speaker 2: That's horrifying.
21:14
Speaker 1: They smothered her with a plastic bag.
21:16
Speaker 2: Yeah.
21:17
Speaker 1: And in a twist of just profound psychological detachment, it
21:21
Speaker 1: was Jordan Jones who eventually broke down and led the
21:23
Speaker 1: police to where they had hidden Alexis' body in a park.
21:27
Speaker 2: What's fascinating here is the forced dynamic of the roommate
21:30
Speaker 2: relationship itself.
21:31
Speaker 1: Yeah, because you don't always choose who you live with.
21:33
Speaker 2: Universities often randomly assign roommates or young adults choose to
21:37
Speaker 2: live together based on really superficial compatibilities, like they like
21:41
Speaker 2: the same music or keep the same hours.
21:43
Speaker 1: Right, you think they'll get along.
21:44
Speaker 2: But you are suddenly forced into a profound domestic intimacy
21:48
Speaker 2: with a relative stranger. And when that relationship turns toxic,
21:52
Speaker 2: the proximity becomes a weapon. You cannot escape a volatile
21:55
Speaker 2: dynamic when the other person literally holds the key to
21:58
Speaker 2: your front door.
21:59
Speaker 1: And adding insult to injury here, this Clark Atlanta case
22:02
Speaker 1: has been stuck in legal limbo for seven years. Really? Yeah.
22:07
Speaker 1: As of mid-2026, it is still tied up in the
22:10
Speaker 1: Georgia Supreme Court over whether jailhouse phone calls made by
22:13
Speaker 1: the boyfriend can even be admitted as evidence. The family
22:17
Speaker 1: is just left waiting.
22:18
Speaker 2: Which perfectly illustrates the gap between the speed of the violence...
22:22
Speaker 2: And the grinding slowness of the justice system.
22:25
Speaker 1: So we've dissected the monster at the gates and we've
22:28
Speaker 1: analyzed the intimate betrayal of partners and roommates.
22:31
Speaker 2: Right.
22:31
Speaker 1: But what happens when the threat isn't a single individual?
22:35
Speaker 1: Like what happens when the culture of a group or
22:36
Speaker 1: the profound negligence of the institution itself becomes the weapon?
22:40
Speaker 2: We need to talk about institutional shadows.
22:42
Speaker 1: Exactly.
22:43
Speaker 2: This is a critical pivot. We are moving away from
22:45
Speaker 2: individual pathology, the singular bad actor, and we're examining systemic failure.
22:50
Speaker 1: Systemic failure.
22:51
Speaker 2: Yes. We have to look at the mechanisms of groupthink,
22:55
Speaker 2: the prioritization of brand reputation over student safety, and the
22:59
Speaker 2: toxic cultures that universities actually allow to flourish under their
23:02
Speaker 2: official banners.
23:03
Speaker 1: And the most glaring, heartbreaking example of this in our
23:06
Speaker 1: stack is the tragic price of so-called brotherhood. Let's look
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Speaker 1: at Dartmouth College, July 2024.
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Speaker 2: Okay.
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Speaker 1: 20-year-old Wan Jiang, a student, is attending an off-campus party
23:19
Speaker 1: hosted by the Alpha Pi sorority. He is heavily provided
23:24
Speaker 1: with alcohol by his own fraternity brothers at Beta Alpha Omega.
23:27
Speaker 2: Right.
23:28
Speaker 1: The party eventually migrates down to the student docks along
23:31
Speaker 1: the Connecticut River, and a severe rainstorm rolls in.
23:34
Speaker 2: This is where group dynamics get dangerous.
23:36
Speaker 1: Yeah, because the group makes this impromptu, chaotic decision to
23:40
Speaker 1: jump in the water. But as the storm intensifies, panic
23:44
Speaker 1: sets in, and they all scramble out and flee back
23:46
Speaker 1: to the safety of the house.
23:47
Speaker 2: But they didn't all make it back. No.
23:50
Speaker 1: They left one Jang behind. He reportedly did not know
23:53
Speaker 1: how to swim and he drowned in that river alone.
23:55
Speaker 2: To understand how a group of young men can abandon
23:58
Speaker 2: a peer they have sworn a fraternal oath to protect,
24:01
Speaker 2: we really have to look at the psychological mechanism known
24:03
Speaker 2: as the diffusion of responsibility.
24:05
Speaker 1: OK, diffusion of responsibility.
24:06
Speaker 2: Coupled with deindividuation.
24:08
Speaker 1: Wait, OK, break that down for me, because to a
24:10
Speaker 1: lay person, it just sounds like they were selfish and
24:12
Speaker 1: ran away. How does being in a fraternity actually change
24:16
Speaker 1: the brain's response to an emergency?
24:18
Speaker 2: It alters the perception of individual consequence.
24:21
Speaker 1: Okay.
24:22
Speaker 2: So deindividuation occurs when a person becomes submerged in a
24:27
Speaker 2: group and literally loses their sense of individual identity and
24:31
Speaker 2: personal responsibility.
24:32
Speaker 1: Like they just become part of the mob. Exactly.
24:35
Speaker 2: They are no longer John or Michael. They are just
24:37
Speaker 2: a beta alpha omega.
24:39
Speaker 1: Wow.
24:40
Speaker 2: Then you add the diffusion of responsibility.
24:42
Speaker 1: Which is what? Exactly. Like splitting a dinner bill among
24:44
Speaker 1: 20 people, right?
24:45
Speaker 2: That's a great analogy.
24:46
Speaker 1: If you discreetly throw in five bucks less than you owe,
24:50
Speaker 1: you figure the group is large enough to absorb the deficit.
24:54
Speaker 1: Nobody will notice it was you.
24:55
Speaker 2: That is the exact mechanism, yes. But in this case,
24:58
Speaker 2: the deficit wasn't a few dollars. It was a human life.
25:01
Speaker 1: Right.
25:01
Speaker 2: When the storm hit and the panic set in, every
25:05
Speaker 2: single brother subconsciously assumed that one of the other brothers
25:08
Speaker 2: would pull one jang out of the water. When everyone
25:11
Speaker 2: is equally responsible, no one feels individually responsible. The individual
25:16
Speaker 2: mandate to execute a rescue is overridden by the panic
25:18
Speaker 2: of the herd.
25:19
Speaker 1: But, you know, the aftermath is what truly infuriates me.
25:22
Speaker 1: And I think it highlights a massive flaw in our system.
25:25
Speaker 1: Two of those fraternity members were eventually found guilty.
25:28
Speaker 2: Right.
25:29
Speaker 1: But not of manslaughter. They were found guilty of a
25:31
Speaker 1: misdemeanor for providing alcohol to a minor. The penalty. A
25:37
Speaker 1: $ 930 fine.
25:38
Speaker 2: Less than $ 1, 000.
25:39
Speaker 1: Exactly. A young man with his whole life ahead of
25:42
Speaker 1: him is dead because of their collective undeniable negligence, and
25:47
Speaker 1: the legal system values that consequence at $ 930. It's astounding. Now,
25:52
Speaker 1: Dartmouth did take administrative action. They suspended the Greek organizations.
25:56
Speaker 1: Beta Alpha Omega is on suspension until the end of
25:58
Speaker 1: summer 2026, followed by a period of alcohol probation.
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Speaker 2: But does a suspension and a fine equate to justice?
26:05
Speaker 1: Exactly.
26:05
Speaker 2: It highlights the massive, often agonizing gap between internal university
26:10
Speaker 2: discipline and criminal law. Well, universities are very quick to
26:14
Speaker 2: use administrative suspensions because it protects their brand. You know,
26:17
Speaker 2: it shows they are doing something while mitigating their own
26:20
Speaker 2: civil liability. Right.
26:21
Speaker 1: PR control.
26:22
Speaker 2: But the criminal justice system fundamentally struggles to prosecute group negligence.
26:27
Speaker 2: Unless a prosecutor can prove a specific individual intent to
26:32
Speaker 2: cause harm, which is very difficult in a chaotic alcohol-fueled drowning,
26:36
Speaker 2: the charges just get watered down to minor infractions like
26:40
Speaker 2: providing alcohol.
26:41
Speaker 1: So they basically get away with it.
26:43
Speaker 2: The result is a profound, chilling lack of accountability that
26:47
Speaker 2: leaves families feeling completely abandoned by the state.
26:50
Speaker 1: And that concept of systemic accountability, or the lack thereof,
26:54
Speaker 1: brings us to Lincoln University in Pennsylvania. We're looking at
26:57
Speaker 1: multiple severe incidents here that point to a much broader
27:00
Speaker 1: issue of premises liability.
27:01
Speaker 2: Okay, let's look at Lincoln.
27:03
Speaker 1: In February 2022, a fight breaks out in a campus dormitory. Somehow,
27:08
Speaker 1: a student's 39-year-old sister, a woman named Nidera Smith, gains
27:12
Speaker 1: access to the dorm during this brawl.
27:14
Speaker 2: Wait, a 39-year-old non-student?
27:16
Speaker 1: Yes. She is armed with a knife, and she fatally
27:19
Speaker 1: stabs 21-year-old student Jewine Evans and injures two others. She
27:24
Speaker 1: was eventually convicted and sentenced to three to six years
27:27
Speaker 1: for involuntary manslaughter.
27:28
Speaker 2: Let's just isolate the systemic failure there for a second.
27:31
Speaker 1: Yeah, please do.
27:32
Speaker 2: You have an unauthorized, armed, 39-year-old non-student effortlessly bypassing security
27:38
Speaker 2: protocols to enter a dormitory, the ultimate safe zone we
27:41
Speaker 2: discussed earlier, and escalating a collegiate fistfight into a fatal stabbing.
27:46
Speaker 1: Right.
27:47
Speaker 2: That is a colossal breach of institutional duty of care.
27:51
Speaker 1: But the tragedy doesn't stop there. Fast forward three years
27:54
Speaker 1: to October 2025. Lincoln University is hosting a post-game homecoming event. Okay.
27:59
Speaker 1: A mass shooting breaks out in the crowd. 20-year-old Juwan
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Speaker 1: Jeffers is killed, and six other people are struck by gunfire.
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Speaker 2: At a homecoming event? Yes.
28:07
Speaker 1: Just recently, in May 2026, the district attorney announced multiple arrests,
28:12
Speaker 1: William Sells, Kern Rollins, Machiavelli Valera, charging them with second
28:17
Speaker 1: and third degree murder. Right. And as a direct result
28:20
Speaker 1: of these cascading failures... In March 2026, Jeffers' family filed
28:25
Speaker 1: a major civil lawsuit against Lincoln University, alleging fundamental negligence.
28:29
Speaker 2: Because the university failed to protect them.
28:31
Speaker 1: Exactly. So my question to you is, legally speaking, at
28:36
Speaker 1: what point does a university transition from being a tragic
28:39
Speaker 1: victim of a random crime to being legally complicit in
28:43
Speaker 1: a culture of violence?
28:44
Speaker 2: It hinges on the legal concept of foreseeability.
28:47
Speaker 1: Foreseeability. Yes.
28:49
Speaker 2: If an isolated incident happens once, the university can argue
28:51
Speaker 2: it was an unforeseeable tragedy. But if the school demonstrates
28:55
Speaker 2: a historical pattern of failing to secure its dorms and
28:59
Speaker 2: then subsequently fails to implement adequate security measures for a
29:02
Speaker 2: highly populated, predictable event like a homecoming game.
29:05
Speaker 1: Right, where you know there will be crowds.
29:07
Speaker 2: Exactly. If that results in a mass casualty incident, the
29:11
Speaker 2: defense of unforeseeability just collapses.
29:13
Speaker 1: I mean, you're paying them tens of thousands of dollars
29:15
Speaker 1: in tuition and room and board. A massive unspoken portion
29:19
Speaker 1: of that transaction is the promise of physical safety. You
29:22
Speaker 1: are paying them to act as a secure landlord.
29:25
Speaker 2: Precisely. The institution often acts as a corporate shield, deflecting
29:29
Speaker 2: individual blame onto the perpetrators while completely ignoring their own
29:34
Speaker 2: environmental culpability.
29:35
Speaker 1: Wow.
29:36
Speaker 2: It frequently requires a civil lawsuit like the one filed
29:39
Speaker 2: by the Jeffers family. to pierce that shield, demand a
29:42
Speaker 2: forensic accounting of their security budgets, and force systemic change
29:46
Speaker 2: through financial penalty.
29:48
Speaker 1: Now, in the Dartmouth and Lincoln cases, we saw relatively
29:52
Speaker 1: swift action, whether it was a small fine, an administrative suspension,
29:55
Speaker 1: or an immediate arrest. But for many campus crimes... The
29:59
Speaker 1: arc of justice does not bend quickly. It grinds at
30:02
Speaker 1: an agonizingly slow pace.
30:04
Speaker 2: It really does.
30:05
Speaker 1: We are going to look at the cold cases, the
30:07
Speaker 1: miracles of modern forensic technology, and the psychological toll of
30:11
Speaker 1: waiting decades for an answer.
30:13
Speaker 2: It is very easy for the public, you know, conditioned
30:15
Speaker 2: by television procedurals, to assume that the discovery of evidence
30:19
Speaker 2: immediately generates a suspect and that an arrest guarantees a conviction.
30:22
Speaker 1: Right, like an episode of Law & Order. Exactly.
30:25
Speaker 2: The reality of the justice system is a far more convoluted,
30:28
Speaker 2: deeply flawed marathon.
30:30
Speaker 1: Let's start by looking at a case where the system
30:32
Speaker 1: utterly failed on the front end, but science eventually offered
30:36
Speaker 1: a delayed form of closure. University of Wisconsin-Madison, 2008. Okay.
30:43
Speaker 1: A 21-year-old student named Brittany Zimmerman is inside her downtown
30:46
Speaker 1: apartment in the middle of the day. She is brutally
30:49
Speaker 1: beaten and stabbed in the heart.
30:51
Speaker 2: Awful.
30:52
Speaker 1: But here is the detail that is almost too much
30:55
Speaker 1: to bear. She managed to reach her phone and dial 911. Oh, wow.
31:00
Speaker 1: The call connected. The dispatcher heard struggling. But due to
31:05
Speaker 1: a catastrophic dispatch error, police officers took 48 minutes to
31:09
Speaker 1: arrive at her apartment. By the time they walked through
31:11
Speaker 1: the door, she had bled to death.
31:13
Speaker 2: The psychological weight of that specific detail on her family
31:16
Speaker 2: cannot be overstated.
31:18
Speaker 1: I can't even imagine.
31:19
Speaker 2: The failure of the emergency response system acts as a
31:21
Speaker 2: profound secondary trauma layered on top of the homicide. To
31:25
Speaker 2: live every day with the knowledge that she did everything right,
31:28
Speaker 2: she called for help, and the state simply failed to
31:30
Speaker 2: respond in time? It's a wound that defies healing.
31:33
Speaker 1: The case went totally cold for 12 years. The killer
31:36
Speaker 1: just vanished. It wasn't until 2020 that advances in DNA
31:40
Speaker 1: science finally allowed investigators to link microscopic evidence left at
31:45
Speaker 1: the scene to a 53-year-old schizophrenic drifter named David Call.
31:50
Speaker 2: Twelve years later.
31:51
Speaker 1: Yes. He finally pleaded guilty in 2022 and received a
31:55
Speaker 1: life sentence without the possibility of parole.
31:58
Speaker 2: The physical evidence just waited patiently in a locker while
32:00
Speaker 2: the science evolved enough to understand it.
32:03
Speaker 1: And we see that exact same reliance on technological evolution
32:07
Speaker 1: in the heartbreaking case of Faith Hedgepeth, At UNC Chapel Hill.
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Speaker 2: Right, that was a huge case.
32:12
Speaker 1: She was just 19 years old in 2012 when she
32:14
Speaker 1: was found beaten to death in her off-campus apartment. The
32:17
Speaker 1: scene was incredibly bizarre.
32:18
Speaker 2: What did they find?
32:19
Speaker 1: Well, investigators had male DNA, and they found a fast
32:22
Speaker 1: food takeout bag near her body with the words, I'm
32:24
Speaker 1: not stupid bitch, jealous, scrawled on it. Wow. They had
32:28
Speaker 1: the killer's DNA profile, they had a sample of his handwriting,
32:30
Speaker 1: but they ran it through the national databases, and they
32:33
Speaker 1: got zero matches. He was a ghost.
32:36
Speaker 2: So frustrating for the investigators.
32:38
Speaker 1: For nine years, the killer walked free while the police
32:41
Speaker 1: chased dead ends.
32:42
Speaker 2: Until the advent of forensic genetic genealogy.
32:46
Speaker 1: Right. So we hear this term thrown around a lot
32:48
Speaker 1: on true crime shows now. But can you explain the
32:52
Speaker 1: actual mechanism? Like how do they go from a dead
32:54
Speaker 1: end DNA sample to an arrest a decade later?
32:58
Speaker 2: Traditional DNA matching requires the suspect to already be in
33:01
Speaker 2: the police database from a prior arrest. If they aren't,
33:05
Speaker 2: you just have a string of code with no name attached.
33:07
Speaker 1: Right.
33:08
Speaker 2: Forensic genetic genealogy bypasses the police database entirely. Investigators take
33:13
Speaker 2: the crime scene DNA and sequence it for thousands of
33:16
Speaker 2: specific markers called SNPs, single nucleotide polymorphisms.
33:21
Speaker 1: Okay, SNPs.
33:22
Speaker 2: They then upload that highly detailed profile to public commercial
33:26
Speaker 2: ancestry databases like GEDmatch, where millions of regular people have
33:30
Speaker 2: uploaded their DNA to find their heritage. Oh.
33:33
Speaker 1: So they aren't looking for the killer in the database.
33:35
Speaker 1: They are looking for the killer's distant relatives.
33:37
Speaker 2: Exactly. They might find a third cousin who shares 1%
33:40
Speaker 2: of their DNA with the crime scene sample. From there,
33:44
Speaker 2: it stops being science and becomes intensive genealogical research. They
33:48
Speaker 2: build massive family trees backward from that third cousin, tracing marriages, births,
33:54
Speaker 2: and census records, until they find a branch of the
33:56
Speaker 2: family that intersects with the time and location of the murder.
33:59
Speaker 1: That is incredible.
34:00
Speaker 2: And through that, they narrowed it down to a specific individual,
34:03
Speaker 2: Miguel Enrique Salguero Olivares.
34:06
Speaker 1: In September 2021, nine years after the murder, they arrested him.
34:11
Speaker 1: They later added charges of burglary and rape. And this
34:14
Speaker 1: shows exactly how current this research is. A judge finally
34:18
Speaker 1: set his trial date and jury selection is scheduled to
34:21
Speaker 1: begin September 28th, 2026.
34:24
Speaker 2: Next week.
34:24
Speaker 1: Literally next week. 14 years after Faith was murdered, the
34:27
Speaker 1: trial is finally commencing.
34:29
Speaker 2: It is a triumph of scientific persistence, but it also
34:32
Speaker 2: underscores the grueling decade-plus marathon that families are forced to
34:37
Speaker 2: endure while waiting for technology to catch up to the crime.
34:40
Speaker 1: But we also have to confront the messy reality that
34:43
Speaker 1: an arrest, even one based on new evidence, does not
34:46
Speaker 1: guarantee a clean resolution.
34:47
Speaker 2: Right.
34:47
Speaker 1: In fact, it can sometimes reopen the wound. Let's look
34:51
Speaker 1: at Muscle State University in North Dakota, 2007. 18-year-old Anita
34:56
Speaker 1: Knutson is found stabbed to death in her apartment. her
34:59
Speaker 1: bed entirely covered in blood.
35:00
Speaker 2: Horrific.
35:01
Speaker 1: The case sits cold for 15 agonizing years. The town
35:05
Speaker 1: thinks it will never be solved. Then, local police partner
35:09
Speaker 1: with investigators from the television show Cold Justice.
35:12
Speaker 2: Okay, the TV show.
35:14
Speaker 1: Yeah. And in 2022, they make a bombshell arrest and
35:17
Speaker 1: meet his former roommate, Nickel Rice. The prosecution builds a
35:21
Speaker 1: case based on inconsistencies in Rice's 2007 alibi and alleged
35:25
Speaker 1: confessions she made to friends while heavily intoxicated.
35:28
Speaker 2: So the narrative arc seems complete. The community and the
35:31
Speaker 2: family experience this massive collective sigh of relief. The roommate
35:35
Speaker 2: was the insider threat all along. She's finally caught. The
35:37
Speaker 2: cold case is solved.
35:38
Speaker 1: Except we're conditioned by TV to think an arrest is
35:41
Speaker 1: an ending. It went to trial in March of 2025.
35:44
Speaker 1: After eight days of grueling testimony, the jury deliberated and
35:47
Speaker 1: acquitted Nicol Rice.
35:48
Speaker 2: Yeah.
35:49
Speaker 1: Not guilty. She walked out of the courtroom a free woman.
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Speaker 2: The psychological whiplash of late justice is just devastating.
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Speaker 1: Yeah. We are culturally promised that if the police make
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Speaker 1: an arrest in a cold case, they have the definitive answer.
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Speaker 1: The reality of a jury returning an acquittal after 15
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Speaker 1: years of waiting leaves a victim's family entirely unmoored. Because
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Speaker 1: they're back to square one. Worse than square one. The
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Speaker 1: justice system promises closure, but in cases like this, it
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Speaker 1: instead delivers a permanent agonizing question mark. Double jeopardy attaches,
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Speaker 1: she can never be tried again, and the family is
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Speaker 1: left with nothing.
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Speaker 2: And even when a jury does return a guilty verdict,
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Speaker 2: the wait still isn't over. Look at the infamous case
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Speaker 2: of Kristen Smart.
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Speaker 1: Oh, yes.
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Speaker 2: She was a 19-year-old freshman at Cal Poly who vanished
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Speaker 2: after a party in 1996. It took 26 years until
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Speaker 2: 2022 to finally convict her classmate, Paul Flores, of her murder.
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Speaker 1: 26 years.
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Speaker 2: He was sentenced to 25 years to life. His father,
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Speaker 2: Ruben Flores, who was accused of helping bury the body
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Speaker 2: under his deck, was acquitted. So Paul is in prison,
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Speaker 2: but is the story over?
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Speaker 1: No. He filed an appeal in November 2024. And just
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Speaker 1: a few months ago, in May 2026, investigators were back
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Speaker 1: out with ground-penetrating radar searching his mother's Susan Flores' home
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Speaker 1: for evidence.
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Speaker 2: Wow.
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Speaker 1: They took items away for forensic analysis, though they haven't
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Speaker 1: announced finding human remains yet. It is 2026, 30 years
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Speaker 1: after Kristen disappeared, and the machinery of this case is
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Speaker 1: is still actively grinding on.
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Speaker 2: This raises one of the most painful questions regarding the
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Speaker 2: legal system, which is our definition of closure.
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Speaker 1: What do you mean?
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Speaker 2: For these families, the justice system is not a vending
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Speaker 2: machine where you put in evidence and out pops closure.
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Speaker 2: It is an endless, brutal landscape they have to wander
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Speaker 2: through for the rest of their lives. Right. They have
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Speaker 2: to deal with endless appellate courts, new warrants, and the
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Speaker 2: agonizing reality that the legal truth, Paul Flores is guilty,
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Speaker 2: and the physical truth, where is Kristen's body, are often
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Speaker 2: entirely separate things.
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Speaker 1: It is exhausting. But, you know, every single thread we
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Speaker 1: have pulled today, the outsider infiltrating a safe space, the intense,
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Speaker 1: dangerous proximity of roommates, the reliance on modern technology, the
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Speaker 1: long convoluted path of the legal system and the complete
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Speaker 1: shattering of the cultural psyche. Every single one of these
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Speaker 1: elements converges perfectly and tragically in our final case study.
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Speaker 2: Yes.
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Speaker 1: We have to examine the anatomy of a modern nightmare,
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Speaker 1: the Idaho murders.
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Speaker 2: This case is the absolute apex of the modern true
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Speaker 2: crime zeitgeist.
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Speaker 1: It really is.
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Speaker 2: It is the ultimate manifestation of the shattered campus bubble
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Speaker 2: operating in the hyper-connected digital age.
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Speaker 1: Let's set the scene. November 13, 2022. Moscow, Idaho. It
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Speaker 1: is the quintessential, tight-knit, idyllic college town we described at
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Speaker 1: the very beginning of this deep dive. Four University of
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Speaker 1: Idaho students, Ethan Chapin, Madison Mogan, Kaylee Goncavs, and Zanna Kernodal,
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Speaker 1: are brutally stabbed to death in their beds in an
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Speaker 1: off-campus rental house. But the architectural layout of the house
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Speaker 1: and the timeline of the attack add a layer of
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Speaker 1: terror that is just hard to comprehend. The murders took
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Speaker 1: place on the second and third floors of this multi-level home.
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Speaker 2: And perhaps the most chilling, psychologically scarring detail of the
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Speaker 2: entire event is the reality of the two surviving roommates.
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Speaker 1: Right.
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Speaker 2: They were asleep on the first and second floors. We
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Speaker 2: now know from court documents that they were actually awake
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Speaker 2: during portions of the attack.
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Speaker 1: Wait, they were awake?
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Speaker 2: Yes. They were texting each other while the murders were
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Speaker 2: actively occurring just rooms away.
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Speaker 1: That is horrifying.
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Speaker 2: One even opened her door and saw a masked figure
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Speaker 2: walk past her toward the exit. Yet, they were ultimately
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Speaker 2: left unharmed. The physical proximity to such extreme lethal violence...
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Speaker 2: separated by just a few inches of drywall and a
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Speaker 2: hollow corridor, is staggering.
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Speaker 1: The police launch a massive manhunt. The entire nation is
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Speaker 1: fixated on this small town. Over a month later, they
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Speaker 1: arrest Brian Koberger across the country in Pennsylvania. And here's
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Speaker 1: where the profile of the killer breaks every expectation. Koberger
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Speaker 1: wasn't some random, uneducated drifter. He was a Ph.D. student
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Speaker 1: at Washington State University, which is just a few miles
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Speaker 1: over the border from Moscow.
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Speaker 2: And his specific field of advanced academic study, criminology.
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Speaker 1: Criminology.
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Speaker 2: He was ostensibly dedicating his entire intellectual life to studying
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Speaker 2: the very mechanisms of crime, the pathology of the criminal mind,
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Speaker 2: and the forensic techniques used by police.
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Speaker 1: Exactly. It's like a brilliant structural engineer, you know, someone
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Speaker 1: who has spent years investigating calculating exactly how to build
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Speaker 1: a suspension bridge so it can hold maximum weight, suddenly
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Speaker 1: deciding to become a demolitionist.
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Speaker 2: That's a very apt comparison.
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Speaker 1: He took all of that highly specialized academic knowledge about
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Speaker 1: how systems work, and he weaponized it to tear a
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Speaker 1: system down. He was supposed to be studying the criminal
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Speaker 1: mind in a laboratory setting, but instead he just became one.
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Speaker 2: But the hubris of that academic background is exactly what
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Speaker 2: makes the legal conclusion of this case so incredibly revealing
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Speaker 2: about human nature.
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Speaker 1: How so?
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Speaker 2: We have this deeply ingrained societal myth of the mastermind
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Speaker 2: serial killer, the hyper-intelligent, cold-blooded predator who clans every single
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Speaker 2: variable perfectly.
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Speaker 1: Right, like Hannibal Lecter.
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Speaker 2: It's a myth perpetuated by Hollywood and true crime media. Koberger,
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Speaker 2: with his criminology PhD, fit that archetype perfectly on paper.
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Speaker 2: The public assumed this was the perfect crime designed by
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Speaker 2: an expert.
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Speaker 1: But the reality was anything but perfect. Fast forward to
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Speaker 1: July 2025. Coburger suddenly changes his plea.
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Speaker 2: Right.
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Speaker 1: He pleads guilty to the four murders and one count
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Speaker 1: of burglary in a last-second, highly controversial deal to avoid
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Speaker 1: the death penalty.
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Speaker 2: Yeah.
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Speaker 1: He receives four consecutive life sentences plus 10 years, waiving
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Speaker 1: his right to all appeals.
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Speaker 2: Okay.
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Speaker 1: But during that plea hearing, the lead prosecutor stood up
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Speaker 1: and revealed a stunning, paradigm-shifting detail to the court. Brian
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Speaker 1: Coburger did not plan to kill all four victims.
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Speaker 2: Wow.
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Speaker 1: That was not his intention when he broke into that house,
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Speaker 1: even though that was a horrific outcome.
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Speaker 2: And that single revelation completely shatters the myth of the mastermind.
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Speaker 1: It really does.
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Speaker 2: It synthesizes everything we've talked about today regarding the illusion
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Speaker 2: of control. Even a criminology PhD student, someone who theoretically
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Speaker 2: understood the chaotic variables of a crime scene better than
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Speaker 2: almost anyone on earth, could not control the horrific cascading
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Speaker 2: chaos he unleashed once he crossed that threshold.
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Speaker 1: He lost control immediately.
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Speaker 2: The situation rapidly, violently devolved beyond his planning. It underscores
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Speaker 2: just how chaotic and fragile human life really is and
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Speaker 2: how quickly violence spirals entirely out of the control of
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Speaker 2: even the person initiating it.
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Speaker 1: Wow. We have covered an incredible amount of ground today.
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Speaker 1: We started with the sheer terror of the Gainesville Ripper
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Speaker 1: in 1990, fundamentally altering the architecture and security apparatus of
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Speaker 1: the American college campus.
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Speaker 2: We did.
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Speaker 1: We explore the deeply disturbing reality that the most intense
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Speaker 1: threats often come from inside the house, from the inescapable
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Speaker 1: proximity of intimate partner violence to the profound betrayal of
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Speaker 1: a roommate in a dorm. We analyzed the systemic failures
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Speaker 1: of fraternities and university administrations that value public relations and
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Speaker 1: legal shielding over student safety. And we traced the agonizingly
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Speaker 1: long arc of justice. right up to genetic genealogy trials
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Speaker 1: happening literally next week in 2026.
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Speaker 2: The overarching lesson to draw from this source material is
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Speaker 2: not to surrender to paranoia.
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Speaker 1: No, of course not.
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Speaker 2: It would be very easy to listen to these 18
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Speaker 2: cases and decide to never leave your house or never
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Speaker 2: let your children leave for college. But the goal of
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Speaker 2: this analysis is awareness.
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Speaker 1: Exactly. Awareness.
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Speaker 2: Understanding the psychological mechanisms of groupthink, recognizing the behavioral signs
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Speaker 2: of escalating interpersonal control, demanding strict institutional accountability, these are
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Speaker 2: the tools that actually protect us. A deep, critical knowledge
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Speaker 2: of human behavior makes us infinitely better equipped to safeguard
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Speaker 2: our communities rather than just relying on blind trust in
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Speaker 2: a locked door or a campus perimeter.
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Speaker 1: Which leaves us with a lingering thought to carry with you.
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Speaker 1: We live in an era of unprecedented surveillance and connection.
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Speaker 1: Every single dorm room has a smartphone. Location sharing apps
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Speaker 1: are constantly turned on. And Kansas security now has access
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Speaker 1: to advanced facial recognition cameras. Yet the underlying human motives
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Speaker 1: driving these tragedies, the jealousy, the unhinged rage, the desperate
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Speaker 1: desire for control, they remain completely stubbornly immune to all
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Speaker 1: of our technological safeguards. If we cannot engineer our way
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Speaker 1: out of human nature, what will it actually take to
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Speaker 1: make the places we send our youth truly safe?