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World Series Retrospective, Doc’s chess moves, IKF’s lead + Rox ditch GM candidates? · Foul Territory

• 0:02
  Speaker 1: Don't be sad it's over. Be thrilled it happens. What
• 0:07
  Speaker 1: a postseason. Welcome to the off season. Welcome to the
• 0:11
  Speaker 1: off season. But of course a.
• 0:13
  Speaker 2: Lot of people are mad. A lot of people are mad.
• 0:16
  Speaker 1: What are they mad about.
• 0:17
  Speaker 2: That the season's over?
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  Speaker 3: There?
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  Speaker 2: I've got a lot of texts like what am I
• 0:19
  Speaker 2: going to do without baseball?
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  Speaker 3: Now?
• 0:20
  Speaker 2: It's like, I don't know, that's a.
• 0:26
  Speaker 1: Great off season. It does, though, because it extends for
• 0:30
  Speaker 1: the few months into spring training. Not every off season
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  Speaker 1: is like that. Sometimes it gets hit hard for that
• 0:35
  Speaker 1: because some of the free agency drags on. I know
• 0:38
  Speaker 1: you love that in particular when we do it, I
• 0:41
  Speaker 1: love it where we'll want go intro will come to
• 0:43
  Speaker 1: something for somebody, But it does extend the entire off season.
• 0:47
  Speaker 1: The conversation. I personally like that. It's good for sports
• 0:51
  Speaker 1: talk shows.
• 0:53
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it gives us a lot to talk about every day,
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  Speaker 2: except for today, where we don't really have much.
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  Speaker 4: I mean we do have some.
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  Speaker 2: Stuff, but not games, not free agency, not trades. I
• 1:02
  Speaker 2: know there was a minor trade. I mean there's not
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  Speaker 2: a lot. There's not a ton today. I mean we
• 1:05
  Speaker 2: can talk about the game, which obviously up in Saturday
• 1:07
  Speaker 2: Night was incredible. The whole series was incredible. So it's
• 1:12
  Speaker 2: one of those things where what a series and people
• 1:14
  Speaker 2: didn't want it to end because it was so awesome.
• 1:16
  Speaker 2: It was like an incredible, incredible series.
• 1:19
  Speaker 1: It was. We also have a scandal to get to
• 1:21
  Speaker 1: later with Evan Drelik joining US free agency opening up.
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  Speaker 1: We'll talk to Jim Boden about it, but I do
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  Speaker 1: want to show the interest internationally in the sport in
• 1:31
  Speaker 1: a different way. Airplane Kendall Baker from Yahoo, posting, this
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  Speaker 1: makes me so happy, man sports, and it just shows
• 1:41
  Speaker 1: if you're listening to the pod, a ton of TVs
• 1:45
  Speaker 1: on an unnamed airline, all tuned in for World Series
• 1:49
  Speaker 1: Game seven. Very cool and if you think about it,
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  Speaker 1: we had three out of four wildcard matchups go the
• 1:56
  Speaker 1: distance half the was it two or three for the
• 2:01
  Speaker 1: DS went the distance? Two? Two out of four went
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  Speaker 1: the distance plus extras for AJ so it was like
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  Speaker 1: almost like a game time and six.
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  Speaker 4: What was the other We have two game fives.
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  Speaker 3: The Bruers, Yeah, oh that's right, the BRSE.
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  Speaker 2: I forgot about the bus.
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  Speaker 1: Because we had two game fives there. We had a
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  Speaker 1: game seven, yeah, but then we had a Game seven
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  Speaker 1: on the Alcs side, including a late comeback, and then
• 2:26
  Speaker 1: we had a ridiculous Game seven we're about to talk
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  Speaker 1: about that just had it all. So we did do
• 2:34
  Speaker 1: a forty ish minute postgame show with Kratz, Trevor May,
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  Speaker 1: and myself on Saturday night. About seventy something thousand views
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  Speaker 1: on it, So thanks to everyone that checked it out,
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  Speaker 1: and also still good analysis on there from the guys
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  Speaker 1: if you want to see it. But AJ is going
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  Speaker 1: to take center stage here, so let's charge.
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  Speaker 2: Let's charge.
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  Speaker 1: What do you have for us? Aja? When you were
• 2:59
  Speaker 1: watching seven.
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  Speaker 4: Oh man, where do we start? Uh?
• 3:03
  Speaker 2: I mean, the pitching moves were incredible. It was fascinaing
• 3:06
  Speaker 2: to see how fur show Hey would go. Then Max
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  Speaker 2: coming out when he came out, uh, I mean, it
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  Speaker 2: looked like it was all set up for the Blue
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  Speaker 2: Jays to win this thing. He had a two run
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  Speaker 2: lead in the eighth inning and then the home runs
• 3:16
  Speaker 2: came the Max Muncie and then the and then the
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  Speaker 2: next one with uh Miguel Rojas off off of Hoffin,
• 3:24
  Speaker 2: which wasn't a bad pitch. Now, the one the Beaver
• 3:27
  Speaker 2: threw to Will Smith was a hangar, but the other
• 3:28
  Speaker 2: ones are great. It was base running, the catch. Can
• 3:31
  Speaker 2: we talk about the catch that Pie has made where
• 3:33
  Speaker 2: Kik died in the outfit It looked like and he
• 3:35
  Speaker 2: just laid there for like five minutes and they had
• 3:37
  Speaker 2: to get the stretcher for him to come up. I mean,
• 3:39
  Speaker 2: it was like what happened Kek and then the base
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  Speaker 2: running of IKF. The plays in Yamamoto. He threw six
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  Speaker 2: innings the night before, let's not forget, and then he
• 3:48
  Speaker 2: came out in two and two thirds.
• 3:50
  Speaker 4: Oh yeah, well wait, we gotta keep our pitchers healthy
• 3:53
  Speaker 4: by not throwing him this much.
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  Speaker 2: This is why the Dodger signed him.
• 3:57
  Speaker 4: This is why he got three hundred and something million
• 3:59
  Speaker 4: because this was It's faking awesome. He's been there two years,
• 4:01
  Speaker 4: he's won two World Series and what he did in
• 4:03
  Speaker 4: this one World Series made that whole contract worth it
• 4:05
  Speaker 4: because it was unbelievably awesome. I mean, you forgot about
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  Speaker 4: Miguel Rojas's play. You forgot about the fact that Yamamoto
• 4:14
  Speaker 4: fielded a bunt winning by a run, and it was
• 4:18
  Speaker 4: a ridiculous bunt by IKF. Not gonna debate here right
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  Speaker 4: now if he should have butted or not, but it
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  Speaker 4: was a perfect bunt and a perfect throw, and Vladimir
• 4:28
  Speaker 4: Guerrero was making diving plays. The groundball double play that
• 4:32
  Speaker 4: he turned on Freddy Freeman was ridiculous, and the fact
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  Speaker 4: that I just can't I can't get over. I can't
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  Speaker 4: get over the fact that we could be talking about
• 4:43
  Speaker 4: the Blue Jays and Ernie Clement being the MVP driving
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  Speaker 4: away in whatever car they're giving away now, or we're
• 4:51
  Speaker 4: talking about Yamamoto being the MVP, and the fact that
• 4:56
  Speaker 4: he came in and hit Kirk. It wasn't looking great.
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  Speaker 4: He was kind of shaky, and it's just it's amazing
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  Speaker 4: how it just shifts that fast and that amazed. There's
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  Speaker 4: there's not enough time to talk about everything that happens.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, how about can we talk about him Inez sticking
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  Speaker 2: his hand out trying to get hit, and then he does.
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  Speaker 4: Get hit and he gets mad like what are we doing?
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  Speaker 4: What are we doing? He tried to get He literally
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  Speaker 4: stuck his hand out there, and we love andres Minnez.
• 5:23
  Speaker 2: He used to be on the show all the time.
• 5:24
  Speaker 2: He's literally tried to stick his it and I've done
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  Speaker 2: some stuff, but I've never actively tried to stick my
• 5:30
  Speaker 2: hand out and getting hit by the ball. That was
• 5:31
  Speaker 2: That was some crazy stuff. And then he got mad
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  Speaker 2: when he did get hit. Dude, he just tried to
• 5:35
  Speaker 2: get hit. And now you can't get mad because you
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  Speaker 2: got hit, Like.
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  Speaker 3: What are we doing?
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  Speaker 1: It's like some matrix stuff, right. I was making fun
• 5:43
  Speaker 1: of it on the postgame show the other day and
• 5:45
  Speaker 1: someone was like, no, he was yelling for Rubleski to
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  Speaker 1: throw the ball over the plate. I'm like, yeah, I
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  Speaker 1: know what he was yelling for. But what a pitch
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  Speaker 1: or two before that?
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  Speaker 2: When you go like this, he was next playground a
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  Speaker 2: jay like his bat was here.
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  Speaker 4: Then he went, oh, it almost hit me. Oh no,
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  Speaker 4: And then he does get hit in the hand and
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  Speaker 4: he yells at the picture like, no, that's that was
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  Speaker 4: the best thing that could have happened. You got hit
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  Speaker 4: and you got on base.
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  Speaker 1: He was not trying to hit the nine hitter, that's
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  Speaker 1: for damn sure.
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  Speaker 2: No.
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  Speaker 1: Robleski basically said that. He's like, dude, you think I'm
• 6:19
  Speaker 1: trying to hit you?
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  Speaker 3: All right?
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  Speaker 1: So do you know how many teams entered the ninth
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  Speaker 1: inning in a Do or Die World Series game trailing?
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  Speaker 3: Uh?
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  Speaker 1: There have been thirty six of those?
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  Speaker 4: What one hundred because somebody always enters the ninth inning.
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  Speaker 1: No, no, no, no. But in a in a Do or
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  Speaker 1: Die World Series Game seven, there have been thirty six
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  Speaker 1: when you're thirty six instances when you're trailing. Three times
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  Speaker 1: we've seen comebacks. This is no. Three times and the
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  Speaker 1: first time we've seen it on the road. But two
• 6:54
  Speaker 1: thousand and one Diamondbacks nineteen ninety seven Marlins Oh one
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  Speaker 1: was Marianna Rivera giving it up? Nineteen ninety seven was
• 7:00
  Speaker 1: do you do you know who the closer was back
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  Speaker 1: then for Cleveland?
• 7:03
  Speaker 3: Do you guys remember Joe Table was.
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  Speaker 1: No, yeah, yeah, exactly. I was like, that's say no,
• 7:08
  Speaker 1: but you're right. Jose Masa just I'm AJ's interpreter, translator whatever.
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  Speaker 2: That's what they called them. That's what everybody cut. That's
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  Speaker 2: why translator Jose Mason.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: And Tony Fernandez made that huge error that cost him
• 7:24
  Speaker 2: and then uh Edgar and Aria got the hit off.
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  Speaker 4: Charles nag Gain exter inning still win it. H Craig
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  Speaker 4: Counseil scored the winning run.
• 7:34
  Speaker 1: Dude, how about Dave Roberts in the decision? You mentioned
• 7:37
  Speaker 1: the Andy Pajes catch that was a late little switch.
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  Speaker 1: Eru by Doc. Of course, Yamamoto made certain parts easy
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  Speaker 1: because Doc after Game six was like yeah, everyone but Yamamoto,
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  Speaker 1: and Yamamoto was like, excuse me, sir, I would like
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  Speaker 1: a word. I actually am available to keep this thing running.
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  Speaker 1: But he made a number of great decisions over the
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  Speaker 1: course of the series, and especially late here, none bigger
• 8:03
  Speaker 1: than clicking Migau Rojas into the lineup for the last
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  Speaker 1: couple of games. But this is a Hall of Fame
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  Speaker 1: manager who has a ton of experience and he's been
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  Speaker 1: getting the job done.
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  Speaker 4: Aj he's going to the Hall of Fame. He should
• 8:15
  Speaker 4: go to all and everyone can say, remember twenty twenty,
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  Speaker 4: Oh it doesn't count because it was short.
• 8:19
  Speaker 2: Well, now he's going back to back. This is his
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  Speaker 2: third World Series title. He's got one of the best
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  Speaker 2: if I think he might have the best winning percentage
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  Speaker 2: of all time for any manager. So he's going to
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  Speaker 2: the Hall of Fame. So people can get off Doc
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  Speaker 2: and Dave Roberts and say, ah, this is that. But
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  Speaker 2: this dude's going to the Hall of Fame as a manager.
• 8:34
  Speaker 2: He's a great guy. He's a great manager, and he
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  Speaker 2: made all the right moves through from the eighteen inning
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  Speaker 2: game to the last two, six and seven, going to Toronto,
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  Speaker 2: down the moves, with the way he handled the pitching
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  Speaker 2: and the way he brought guys in, the way he
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  Speaker 2: used guys, didn't use guys. This was a great This
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  Speaker 2: was a masterclass by him, and he deserves a lot
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  Speaker 2: of credit for what he did.
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  Speaker 4: Based on how Yamamoto looked. If the Dodgers lose, is
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  Speaker 4: he to blame Yamamoto? No, Robert, Dave Roberts and the
• 9:07
  Speaker 4: first battery hits, he hits Kerr. Why would you bring
• 9:10
  Speaker 4: in him? You know what I'm saying, Like, if you're
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  Speaker 4: talking about if does he get blame if the Dodgers
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  Speaker 4: lost Dave.
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  Speaker 2: Roberts, No, absolutely. I mean he used Glassdow to close
• 9:23
  Speaker 2: Game six. Remember it was second and third and no
• 9:25
  Speaker 2: outs and he came running Glasnow and Glasnew went three pitches. Now,
• 9:29
  Speaker 2: it was terrible bass running by the Blue Jays and Barger,
• 9:31
  Speaker 2: who we've been talking about how great he was. I
• 9:33
  Speaker 2: was terrible base running, but we were not going to
• 9:35
  Speaker 2: even mention it because his Game six. But a great
• 9:37
  Speaker 2: play by Kik, great played by Mickey Rowe to pick
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  Speaker 2: that ball, but it was bad base running. It led
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  Speaker 2: to the whole thing.
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  Speaker 4: And then I mean the next game, I mean he
• 9:45
  Speaker 4: used everybody's snell, right, he used Glass now, right, he
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  Speaker 4: used Yamamoto, right, he used show Hey, right, he was Robleski.
• 9:51
  Speaker 2: I mean, this dude just crushed.
• 9:52
  Speaker 4: And this was out the guy who was their best
• 9:54
  Speaker 4: reliever for most of the year, and that's Fescia.
• 9:56
  Speaker 2: It was out for personal reasons. So I think Dave
• 9:58
  Speaker 2: Roberts did everything right when he put for defensive replacement
• 10:02
  Speaker 2: in that game and he made that catch to save it.
• 10:04
  Speaker 4: I think I think he I mean, listen, you can
• 10:06
  Speaker 4: always say, oh this and that blah blah blah blah blah,
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  Speaker 4: But I mean I thought he.
• 10:09
  Speaker 3: Nailed this world series.
• 10:10
  Speaker 2: I thought, you know what, I thought both managers did
• 10:12
  Speaker 2: a really nice job in this. In this I thought
• 10:15
  Speaker 2: Schneider tried to do everything right too. It just didn't
• 10:17
  Speaker 2: work out. They gave him some home runs late, but
• 10:19
  Speaker 2: I thought Schneider was crushed, crushed it with what he
• 10:21
  Speaker 2: had too.
• 10:23
  Speaker 1: Will Smith to the two spot infield back for the
• 10:26
  Speaker 1: Alejandro Kirk double play. I mean, there's just a lot
• 10:30
  Speaker 1: that you look at and you're like, well played, well done.
• 10:33
  Speaker 1: These guys knew what they were doing. And lastly, Kershaw
• 10:35
  Speaker 1: gets to win on his way out. Nuki Betts has
• 10:37
  Speaker 1: won four of the last eight World Series titles. You
• 10:41
  Speaker 1: have the players from Japan who shined. Of course Otani
• 10:46
  Speaker 1: Yamamoto and I know not as much of a fact
• 10:48
  Speaker 1: of the last couple of weeks, but look at what
• 10:51
  Speaker 1: he did in the beginning of the postseason, rookie Sasaki
• 10:54
  Speaker 1: emerging as their closer to save the day. So it
• 10:56
  Speaker 1: was just super cool. So many storylines, Miguel Rojas not
• 11:00
  Speaker 1: hitting a home run against a right handed, real right
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  Speaker 1: with Superpower. Hey Key. K Hernandez gave a shout out
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  Speaker 1: to the Toronto Blue Jays pitchers for wearing number fifty
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  Speaker 1: one on their cops. That was an honor of Alex Bessio,
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  Speaker 1: who was going through a really serious personal situation with
• 12:24
  Speaker 1: his family. He said, yeah, I didn't notice until Bassett.
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  Speaker 1: Actually after Bassett struck me out and then I was
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  Speaker 1: looking up at the board to see the replay, That's
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  Speaker 1: when I saw that he had fifty one. Instead of
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  Speaker 1: being mad that I struck out, I was kind of
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  Speaker 1: going back to the dougout thinking did Bassett play with
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  Speaker 1: VESI at some point? Then after the game, I saw
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  Speaker 1: that everybody had them, and then a continuing quote here
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  Speaker 1: from KEYK coming up. For those guys to do that,
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  Speaker 1: it's incredible. They're trying to win a World Series, but
• 12:52
  Speaker 1: they understand that this is life, is bigger than baseball.
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  Speaker 1: Baseball is just a game. For them to do that
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  Speaker 1: with the stakes where we were at with the stakes,
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  Speaker 1: hats off to them, and I want to know that
• 13:00
  Speaker 1: we appreciate them regardless of what happens tonight, we appreciate
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  Speaker 1: what they did. Also, it is parade day for the Dodgers,
• 13:08
  Speaker 1: so we'll get more quotes to read for tomorrow's show.
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  Speaker 1: I'm sure there will be some fire and maybe some
• 13:15
  Speaker 1: beverg just being handed out that creates some exciting quotes.
• 13:20
  Speaker 1: I don't think they're going to smash the blue Jays
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  Speaker 1: like they did the Yankees. Verbally, the blue Jays are
• 13:24
  Speaker 1: damn good and had ninety opportunities to win this. We're
• 13:28
  Speaker 1: going to do a whole section on missed chances for
• 13:31
  Speaker 1: the Blue Jays, and we'll start with the IKF debate,
• 13:33
  Speaker 1: but we'll do that coming up. Of course, we're going
• 13:37
  Speaker 1: to get to some other news around the sport, and
• 13:40
  Speaker 1: we'll do that the next few segments and then work
• 13:42
  Speaker 1: our way back to the World Series. So let's start
• 13:45
  Speaker 1: with the little Atlanta Braves news. One of the hottest
• 13:48
  Speaker 1: manager openings still out there. I think it's fair to
• 13:52
  Speaker 1: say Padre's job and Brave's job. Mark Bowman today tweeted
• 13:56
  Speaker 1: the Braves will likely announce their new manager within the
• 13:58
  Speaker 1: next few days. Still feels like Danny Laman is the favorite,
• 14:02
  Speaker 1: and he, of course was busy with the Dodgers. If
• 14:04
  Speaker 1: he gets the job, winning a second straight World Series
• 14:07
  Speaker 1: and getting your first chance to manage would qualify for
• 14:10
  Speaker 1: an incredible few days. Alexanthopolis AJ is pretty notorious for
• 14:14
  Speaker 1: keeping it close to the vest. They make decisions with
• 14:18
  Speaker 1: a very small group of people, like the final Call,
• 14:21
  Speaker 1: and they make sure it doesn't leak. That's just his thing.
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  Speaker 1: So there could be others in play that we don't
• 14:27
  Speaker 1: know about.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, if Danny Layman gets it, good for him.
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  Speaker 2: It's just another trend. Though, Cratch, you just keep showing
• 14:36
  Speaker 2: me you don't have the gms and the front offices
• 14:40
  Speaker 2: don't value guys that played in the major leagues at all,
• 14:43
  Speaker 2: because we keep getting these guys that were minor league
• 14:45
  Speaker 2: guys and they work their way up from video coordinator
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  Speaker 2: to this to this to this to this, and I
• 14:49
  Speaker 2: know he was on the bench of the Dodgers last
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  Speaker 2: couple of years, and if he does get it, congratulations.
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  Speaker 2: But it's just a shift in the philosophy of where
• 14:56
  Speaker 2: we're at because before it was like, yeah, we want
• 14:59
  Speaker 2: someone that's been there, done that, that has gone completely
• 15:01
  Speaker 2: away from not only managers but also coaches.
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  Speaker 3: Danny.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, we'll talk about it more, but Danny Layman's
• 15:07
  Speaker 4: been He's been on the bench with the Dodgers for
• 15:09
  Speaker 4: a long time. I mean he's been there I think
• 15:12
  Speaker 4: since seventeen or eighteen, and he hustled to get there.
• 15:16
  Speaker 4: So he's a little bit different than what the Nats hired.
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  Speaker 4: But I agree with you a.
• 15:20
  Speaker 1: Jay a Corner time. The Rockies have two finalists. Oh wait, no,
• 15:31
  Speaker 1: they don't. Now they're actually moving on from their reported
• 15:35
  Speaker 1: two finalists for the top baseball operations job. So classic Rockies.
• 15:41
  Speaker 1: They didn't lose enough this season. They're kind of losing
• 15:44
  Speaker 1: in terms of figuring out who is going to run
• 15:47
  Speaker 1: their front office. Kind of a big deal. Hey, maybe
• 15:50
  Speaker 1: we just don't know some information about someone involved. Again,
• 15:53
  Speaker 1: it's just maybe getting kept really close to the best,
• 15:56
  Speaker 1: but we did hear from reports and really good reporters
• 16:01
  Speaker 1: like britt Joliken Rosenthal, et cetera about Arizona Diamondback's assistant
• 16:06
  Speaker 1: jam Amiel Sade and Cleveland Guardians assistant jam Mat Forman,
• 16:09
  Speaker 1: both in the running, both doing those deep dived interviews.
• 16:14
  Speaker 1: Final interview last Monday for Soday at coors Field and
• 16:19
  Speaker 1: for Foreman, he was in Colorado the week before final
• 16:23
  Speaker 1: in person interview. Aja, I guess the team said no thanks,
• 16:29
  Speaker 1: they weren't interested, or the others said no thanks, depending
• 16:33
  Speaker 1: on what the offer was. That's always possible. Some assistant
• 16:36
  Speaker 1: GM's are very well taken care of, and if you
• 16:39
  Speaker 1: think about it, the Rockies could be one of those
• 16:41
  Speaker 1: teams that doesn't want to value this position. So there's
• 16:43
  Speaker 1: a chance of that. There's also a chance the Rockies
• 16:45
  Speaker 1: are like, I can't go outside your organization. I hate
• 16:48
  Speaker 1: doing that.
• 16:51
  Speaker 2: Uh have you what's the emoji that's like this? The
• 16:53
  Speaker 2: people are like, who knows what's going on in Colorado
• 16:59
  Speaker 2: right now? I mean they have but we thought they
• 17:00
  Speaker 2: were gonna name a guy.
• 17:01
  Speaker 4: Then they have a name a guy. I mean they
• 17:03
  Speaker 4: have still have an interim manager, but they still have
• 17:05
  Speaker 4: the same owner.
• 17:07
  Speaker 2: So just think about this. God, they don't like going
• 17:09
  Speaker 2: outside the organizations or anybody in the organization they could
• 17:11
  Speaker 2: hire to be the GM. And we all know they
• 17:15
  Speaker 2: don't like to spend money because they like to stay
• 17:17
  Speaker 2: nice and under They like to draw their two point
• 17:19
  Speaker 2: five million and make a lot of money. So maybe
• 17:21
  Speaker 2: they're not gonna do this. I don't know.
• 17:22
  Speaker 4: This is wild to me. They don't have a GM
• 17:24
  Speaker 4: by no, wow, I mean, how are they gonna make
• 17:30
  Speaker 4: how There's there's so much to unpack with this that
• 17:32
  Speaker 4: I just I'm glad they went outside the organization for
• 17:36
  Speaker 4: the interviews because AJ's white SOX did not seem to
• 17:40
  Speaker 4: do that. So I think that is a good thing.
• 17:43
  Speaker 4: But the proof will be in the pudding. Like you
• 17:48
  Speaker 4: can say all you want, you can say we're going
• 17:50
  Speaker 4: outside our little bubble, but if they don't actually go
• 17:53
  Speaker 4: outside the bubble with their hiring, and they just bring
• 17:56
  Speaker 4: in somebody who has been either with the organization before
• 18:00
  Speaker 4: or currently with the organization, and they're just changing their
• 18:03
  Speaker 4: names and it's just going to be the same status quo.
• 18:05
  Speaker 4: They need a GM to come in that isn't afraid
• 18:08
  Speaker 4: to say, guys, we have to think about things a
• 18:11
  Speaker 4: little bit differently.
• 18:13
  Speaker 1: Do you know who their next manager is? Neither do
• 18:17
  Speaker 1: they if they were interested in anyone that currently got
• 18:21
  Speaker 1: a job too late. My thing is aja you're going
• 18:26
  Speaker 1: to let the new GM or president of baseball aps
• 18:29
  Speaker 1: whatever they want to call the next guy choose their manager,
• 18:32
  Speaker 1: and maybe it's not going to matter, especially with the
• 18:35
  Speaker 1: way that there are guys that are coming out of
• 18:36
  Speaker 1: left field to manage. Don't you want to put your
• 18:40
  Speaker 1: head honcho of the front office in a good position
• 18:42
  Speaker 1: to succeed and have as many candidates available as possible.
• 18:46
  Speaker 1: It's like, let's let all the seats fill up. Then
• 18:49
  Speaker 1: we'll figure out our president baseball operations, then we'll figure
• 18:52
  Speaker 1: out our manager with whatever scraps are there. It's not scraps,
• 18:56
  Speaker 1: but you know what I'm saying, put them in a
• 18:57
  Speaker 1: position to succeed.
• 18:59
  Speaker 2: Already, Grave Andadres don't have managers either. You're not saying
• 19:02
  Speaker 2: this about them. The Rockies officially still have a manager.
• 19:06
  Speaker 2: They haven't gotten rid of h M mcevn. What's his name, Shaeffer? Sorry, Shaffer,
• 19:13
  Speaker 2: they haven't got rid.
• 19:14
  Speaker 1: Of No, it's it's them. I'm like ninety nine percent.
• 19:19
  Speaker 1: Sure they're getting a new manager in there.
• 19:22
  Speaker 3: But they didn't.
• 19:23
  Speaker 1: They didn't talk about they didn't realok it, I don't know,
• 19:26
  Speaker 1: they didn't.
• 19:28
  Speaker 2: Of them.
• 19:31
  Speaker 1: Okay, well, they have other things to figure out, like
• 19:34
  Speaker 1: their front office first. But anyway, on that topic, front
• 19:38
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• 19:39
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• 19:43
  Speaker 2: or Toronto person. Maybe that's what we don't know.
• 19:46
  Speaker 1: Well, that's the hold up with Atlanta. At least part
• 19:49
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• 19:52
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  Speaker 1: Twenty six million. I'm running up from twenty five million,
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: nine hundred eighty four thousand viewers tuned in on average
• 21:22
  Speaker 1: for the Dodgers Game seven clincher, most since twenty seventeen.
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: Game seven between the Dodgers and the Astros back then
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: averaged about twenty eight million. Game seven peaked on Fox
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: with thirty one and a half million viewers. Final viewership
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: info is expected on Tuesday. Today is Monday, and we'll
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: also get numbers from Japan and numbers from Canada. And
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: this was a truly international World series that had a
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: ton of people watching. Actually, AJ, we always joke about this.
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: We just went over the US ratings. Toronto doesn't count
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: in there, right, that's and Canada itself is in its
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: own world. They still did pretty damn well.
• 22:07
  Speaker 2: They did really well for a team not being one
• 22:09
  Speaker 2: of the teams not being in the US. So that
• 22:11
  Speaker 2: I mean, I think everyone that says baseball is dead
• 22:13
  Speaker 2: this and that you're wrong. Baseball is thriving and we
• 22:16
  Speaker 2: need just to stay the course and listen. We don't
• 22:20
  Speaker 2: give We're a show that doesn't give Rob Manford a
• 22:22
  Speaker 2: lot of credit for a lot of things on this show.
• 22:24
  Speaker 2: But the pitch clock and some of the other moves
• 22:26
  Speaker 2: he's made has made baseball more fun and more action,
• 22:29
  Speaker 2: no shift things like that, bigger bases, more stolen bases.
• 22:32
  Speaker 2: He's done some good things and the viewers are responding
• 22:35
  Speaker 2: by coming out to watch. And the Dodgers did not
• 22:38
  Speaker 2: rooin baseball. They actually got a lot of people to watch.
• 22:41
  Speaker 3: Hey.
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: Hey, teams leading entering the ninth with a chance to
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: clinch the World Series are one, O, two and seven
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: all times, So this plays more to what you were
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: talking about, Krats. Of course, there were times where it
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: was tied entering the ninth. But when you're leading entering
• 22:55
  Speaker 1: the ninth one, O two and seven and we're looking
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: at the losses. That scenario in games fours, five, six
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: is sevens including Game seven the other night.
• 23:09
  Speaker 4: Crazy crazy, all historic, all historic games obviously, But man,
• 23:16
  Speaker 4: I just can't when when I keep stacking up everything,
• 23:18
  Speaker 4: even on this show, like AJ says something, I talk
• 23:22
  Speaker 4: about it, and we forgot about this. You say something,
• 23:25
  Speaker 4: we talk about Oh what about that? Like there's so
• 23:28
  Speaker 4: much from this game. There's all those all those games.
• 23:31
  Speaker 4: Obviously I don't remember all of them, but I remember
• 23:34
  Speaker 4: the ones that was alive for Yeah, the ten and
• 23:38
  Speaker 4: eleven Game five, Game four, and Game five of the A's.
• 23:40
  Speaker 4: I mean, which is the Kansas.
• 23:42
  Speaker 2: City as, the Oakland A's, the Philadelphia's, the Moneyball A's, which.
• 23:45
  Speaker 4: One they all?
• 23:46
  Speaker 2: They all apparently bees, But I mean the game six
• 23:50
  Speaker 2: was in that the Don Dakenser game where he missed city,
• 23:53
  Speaker 2: missed first base.
• 23:53
  Speaker 4: Wasn't at that game? The Empire four Umpire Game seven Cleveland.
• 23:56
  Speaker 2: We talked about Jose MESA game twenty eleven Game six Rangers.
• 24:00
  Speaker 4: I was at that one.
• 24:01
  Speaker 3: One day.
• 24:01
  Speaker 2: I'll tell you the story about what I saw in
• 24:03
  Speaker 2: the Rangers bullpen Game seven the Blue Jays, Yeah, we
• 24:06
  Speaker 2: just witnessed it, but yeah, those are all a lot
• 24:09
  Speaker 2: of those are iconic iconic games, and for both franchises
• 24:13
  Speaker 2: one way or the other. I mean, the Mariano Rivera
• 24:15
  Speaker 2: one is probably the one that people would say, no way,
• 24:17
  Speaker 2: that really happened Tony Wollmackett in the big hit, right,
• 24:20
  Speaker 2: And you mentioned the infield back for the for the
• 24:22
  Speaker 2: Dodgers first and third, I remember the Yankees brought the
• 24:26
  Speaker 2: infield in and Louis Gonzalez hit the ball that barely
• 24:28
  Speaker 2: got to the outfield grass or the winning hit. So yeah,
• 24:31
  Speaker 2: these are all iconic, iconic games for both sets of franchises.
• 24:34
  Speaker 2: And the ones at least that I remember now ten
• 24:36
  Speaker 2: and eleven, I wouldn't even lie for that, so I
• 24:37
  Speaker 2: don't know. But the other ones are pretty amazing.
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: Tons of historical contexts that we can show. This was
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: one of the all timers. I mean, freaking ninth inning
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: and then nine hitter, that's it done to die up
• 24:53
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• 24:55
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• 24:58
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• 25:00
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  Speaker 1: are a ton of opt outs today. I know some
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: of you in the chat have asked about it. None
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: of them are surprising. These are all opt outs that
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: have been expected for a while and opt ins. I
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: believe we heard Lord Discuriel opting in. I mean, he's
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: got a big injury that he's trying to recover from.
• 26:26
  Speaker 1: I think he's going to miss a good chunk of
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: this coming season. But on the opt out side, we
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: covered some of these with Voden already. But Alex Bregman,
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: Ranger Suarez, Edwin Diaz, Cody Bellinger, anybody that's really good,
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: that has money left that is less than the guarantee
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: they would get on the free agent market is opting out.
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: Like there are a few people asking about Bregmant, I'm like,
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: there's zero surprise that Alex Bregman.
• 26:52
  Speaker 2: Is Alonzo, Edwin Diaz, all these Cody Bellinger, they all
• 26:56
  Speaker 2: had good years, so they guess what they're all like,
• 26:58
  Speaker 2: let's try again. I mean Edwin Diaz, does Edwin Diaz?
• 27:04
  Speaker 2: Let me ask you this, does Edwin Diaz? I mean
• 27:05
  Speaker 2: the Mets have to re sign him Pete Alonso and
• 27:07
  Speaker 2: make some other moves. I mean, how much money does
• 27:09
  Speaker 2: Stevie Cohen have?
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: Yes, they might not, they might not.
• 27:15
  Speaker 2: They can't lose him, though they lose I mean their bullpenalty,
• 27:18
  Speaker 2: they lose him, they lose Rogers, they lose Hellesley. I
• 27:21
  Speaker 2: know people are gonna say, well, they didn't do that great,
• 27:22
  Speaker 2: but still they're gonna lose all these guys and Peter
• 27:25
  Speaker 2: a Lonzo and try to compete next year against the
• 27:26
  Speaker 2: Phillies and the Braves, who should be better.
• 27:30
  Speaker 4: Really, I was just answering, yes to how much money
• 27:34
  Speaker 4: does Peter how much money does Cohen have?
• 27:38
  Speaker 3: Yes?
• 27:38
  Speaker 4: The answer is yes, he's revamping all of the chop
• 27:42
  Speaker 4: shops outside of He's good. He's good, he's gonna.
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: Buy he can afford them all. I don't know if
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: he's going to do that. He might switch things up.
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: He's super competitive, he's pissed his team didn't even make
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: the playoffs. Think about that, that current mix didn't make
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: the playoffs. And of course you're going to say it's
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: not this person's fault, it's not that person's fault. It
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: doesn't mean that the owner doesn't want to try something else,
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: just throwing that out there. There are going to be changes.
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: There's an opportunity to do that when there's a free
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: agent and you replace him with someone else, to try
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: and switch things up and say, hey, I know you
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: like this guy, but you didn't make the playoffs as
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: a team, so you don't get this guy back. Just
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: throwing that out there. I would not be surprised. This
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: was one of the best quotes during the World Series.
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: Came right afterward when guys were in tears in the
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: Blue Jays clubhouse. Max Scherzer said, I'm forty one years old,
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: and I never thought I could love baseball this much.
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: My love for the game was so strong because their
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: love for the game. I thought that was great. That
• 28:39
  Speaker 1: really resonates for a lot of fans that have been
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: following Max for a long time.
• 28:44
  Speaker 4: Max.
• 28:45
  Speaker 2: Max is a real deal man. I don't know what
• 28:47
  Speaker 2: you can say about Max. He loves the game, he
• 28:50
  Speaker 2: has the best time, he's a competitive as hell. He's
• 28:53
  Speaker 2: going in the Hall of Fame on the first ballot.
• 28:54
  Speaker 2: I mean, this just shows you why baseball is great.
• 28:56
  Speaker 2: How much this means to guys. Everyone that says, oh,
• 28:58
  Speaker 2: the players don't care. Max has made more money than
• 29:01
  Speaker 2: he ever thought. He's making his life and he's going
• 29:03
  Speaker 2: to be said for his family's family. Family is going
• 29:05
  Speaker 2: to be set for life right through baseball because baseball
• 29:08
  Speaker 2: is awesome and the work he put into, how good
• 29:10
  Speaker 2: he was. This just shows you when people say, oh,
• 29:12
  Speaker 2: these players don't really care, they all care, and they
• 29:14
  Speaker 2: all want to do well, and they all want are
• 29:16
  Speaker 2: competitive as hell.
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: And Max is coming back. He was like, that wasn't
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: my last pitch. So we'll talk about him and his
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: free agency at some point this offseason.
• 29:26
  Speaker 3: Two.
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: All right, slap pans coming up. Jim Betts are closed.
• 29:39
  Speaker 1: In baseball. We finished strong. I will say everybody hit
• 29:44
  Speaker 1: besides Pap. Pap had a shot. He had a shot.
• 29:48
  Speaker 1: The police has had a chance to win that game.
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: Seven and then some gossman went over fifteen and a half.
• 29:54
  Speaker 1: Out for me. Todd father did not get cursed by
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: the crafts. Both of them went big on the under
• 30:02
  Speaker 1: seven and a half runs.
• 30:04
  Speaker 3: Good for you, crats, yep, appreciate you. It's not how
• 30:08
  Speaker 3: it starts, he finished.
• 30:09
  Speaker 1: What were you concerned about extras?
• 30:14
  Speaker 3: Not at all. No, not the way the Dodgers figured.
• 30:16
  Speaker 1: It's just going to be a run.
• 30:18
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I was good three one. That was no sweat.
• 30:22
  Speaker 3: That was no sweat all day.
• 30:24
  Speaker 1: Yeah. You know, well, you know how extras is. Anyway,
• 30:28
  Speaker 1: in most playoff scenarios, everyone's trying to hit a solo homer.
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: Odds to win the twenty twenty six World Series at
• 30:35
  Speaker 1: bet MGM Dodgers at plus three fifty. There's only one
• 30:39
  Speaker 1: other team that's under ten to one odds, and that's
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: the Yankees at plus eight hundred. Any value on the
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: board a year in.
• 30:46
  Speaker 2: Advanced to take the Braids. I'll take the Braves right now.
• 30:50
  Speaker 2: The brains want a price, What a price? I'll take
• 30:53
  Speaker 2: the break one. I'll take them out of the out
• 30:56
  Speaker 2: of the teams that have value, They're the one. They
• 30:58
  Speaker 2: have sale, they have Strider back after second year. They're
• 31:01
  Speaker 2: gonna make some moves, they have their basically their whole
• 31:03
  Speaker 2: team back. The Braves are the team for me that
• 31:05
  Speaker 2: it has the best chance at good value. And know
• 31:08
  Speaker 2: I'm just saying they're gonna win the World Series, but
• 31:09
  Speaker 2: they have a good value.
• 31:11
  Speaker 4: Ronaldo Lopez will be back. They produced seven hundred pitchers
• 31:16
  Speaker 4: from the minor league system. I'm not sure when Smith
• 31:19
  Speaker 4: Schalver and all this, I one hundred percent agreed. I
• 31:21
  Speaker 4: plus two thousand. I feel like they moved it to
• 31:23
  Speaker 4: two thousand just so that I would be like, yeah,
• 31:27
  Speaker 4: what is it November third? Locking it in.
• 31:31
  Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure the Blue Jays were like sixty of
• 31:33
  Speaker 1: one to start the season something crazy like that. Last Yeah,
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: after finishing last It's not a surprise. They came damn
• 31:42
  Speaker 1: close to making some people really happy.
• 31:45
  Speaker 4: They were.
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: They were plus eight point fifty when they were down
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: a game in the ALCS.
• 31:52
  Speaker 3: As the Dodgers at that point, the Dodgers.
• 31:55
  Speaker 4: I bought the Dodgers at plus two ten when they
• 31:58
  Speaker 4: were down what were they down? One? Oh? No, I
• 32:02
  Speaker 4: forget when I bought the Dodgers, but it was it
• 32:04
  Speaker 4: was It was crazy. I was like, how do you
• 32:07
  Speaker 4: feel like the Dodgers aren't going to win this?
• 32:18
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  Speaker 1: but I think, aha, you have a birthday to shout
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  Speaker 3: I love birthdays.
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  Speaker 2: his birthday and they're having a parade. So happy twenty
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  Speaker 2: fourth birthday. That's it, jeez. And second of all, do
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  Speaker 2: you know who the big birthday is today? And we
• 32:53
  Speaker 2: didn't even mention it till the very end? Producer Ladies birthday?
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  Speaker 1: Inside joke, inside joke? She gets to have her first
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  Speaker 1: drink tonight. Congratulations one drink crats as the way out,
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  Speaker 1: but not really, because we're gonna do a few more minutes.
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  Speaker 3: Wooster wool socks the Red Sox Triple A team.
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  Speaker 1: Is that a heart in the middle with the curly dub?
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  Speaker 1: Does it form?
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  Speaker 3: I never noticed that?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, Wooster Love, Wooster Love, because nobody outside of that
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  Speaker 1: area can pronounce the Are you from Rochester, Worcester? Very nice?
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  Speaker 1: Very nice? All right, So we're saying by here and
• 34:03
  Speaker 1: a reminder to everyone, we're doing this every single day, weekday,
• 34:07
  Speaker 1: all off season long, one to three Eastern back in
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  Speaker 1: a minute for the online crowd, the YouTube crowd talk
• 34:14
  Speaker 1: about the Blue Jays. Missus, we are back and let's
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: cover the Blue Jays side of the story. Aj I
• 34:22
  Speaker 1: want to go right to you first on ikf not
• 34:27
  Speaker 1: scoring on a fielder's choice that gets him just in time,
• 34:32
  Speaker 1: because Will Smith initially had his foot off of home
• 34:35
  Speaker 1: plate and then got it down just in time. There
• 34:38
  Speaker 1: are many people, many Blue Jays fans, very upset. Apparently
• 34:42
  Speaker 1: he's gotten many threats. That always sucks. We don't condone
• 34:44
  Speaker 1: that at all.
• 34:45
  Speaker 4: Don't do that ever. People, No, but he.
• 34:48
  Speaker 1: Kind of said that this was justified because the team
• 34:51
  Speaker 1: was asking for him to be extra careful in this scenario.
• 34:54
  Speaker 1: I'll give more on the back end, but I do
• 34:56
  Speaker 1: want to give your take on when you see where
• 34:59
  Speaker 1: he's position, which we're showing right now, and that small
• 35:02
  Speaker 1: lead and the lack of a secondary is that not
• 35:06
  Speaker 1: the difference between them winning this game?
• 35:09
  Speaker 2: Well, I thought he should have been a little bit
• 35:10
  Speaker 2: farther off. I mean, first of all, the fact that
• 35:14
  Speaker 2: Nigi Rojas headed back up and backhand this ball.
• 35:17
  Speaker 4: Normally, I mean, you're normally.
• 35:18
  Speaker 2: Safe on that if you have a good lead and
• 35:20
  Speaker 2: if you're going on contact, okay, like he was, because
• 35:22
  Speaker 2: he bases were loaded. You're gonna take a step on
• 35:25
  Speaker 2: a line drive, no matter what. Everyone says, Freeze, everyone
• 35:28
  Speaker 2: takes a step, Okay, no matter what. Because the ball's hit,
• 35:31
  Speaker 2: you're going on contact, going, you take the step, and
• 35:33
  Speaker 2: if it's right at an infielder, you're gonna be out anyways.
• 35:36
  Speaker 2: So you gotta just live with that. If you're the
• 35:38
  Speaker 2: team now, he should have been farther off. But I
• 35:40
  Speaker 2: want to talk about what the Tigers have done and
• 35:43
  Speaker 2: the Rays do this also, Gary Varshow Dalton var Show
• 35:46
  Speaker 2: is a left handed hitter. Okay, the Rays and the Tigers,
• 35:49
  Speaker 2: they always say if you're a runner on third being
• 35:51
  Speaker 2: foul territory.
• 35:52
  Speaker 4: They have now moved their runner into fair territory for
• 35:55
  Speaker 4: two reasons. One, it eliminates the pickoff throw. And IKV says,
• 35:59
  Speaker 4: I didn't want to get picked off by Will Smith.
• 36:01
  Speaker 4: I can almost promise you in this situation Kratz ninety
• 36:04
  Speaker 4: nine point nine percent, Will Smith ain't gonna try and
• 36:07
  Speaker 4: pick you off here no matter what, because he ain't
• 36:09
  Speaker 4: taking the.
• 36:09
  Speaker 2: Chance of throwing it away and losing the World Series.
• 36:12
  Speaker 2: I can't see it happening right there, Okay. And then
• 36:15
  Speaker 2: the second thing is if you move into the field
• 36:17
  Speaker 2: of play. It then forces the third baseman to move
• 36:19
  Speaker 2: more and you can get off farther because the third
• 36:22
  Speaker 2: basement is farther off the bag. So I like this
• 36:24
  Speaker 2: move when it happened, and the first time I saw it,
• 36:27
  Speaker 2: I said something about on the Aaron Fox. I got
• 36:29
  Speaker 2: a call from Joey Korra, the third base coach, and
• 36:31
  Speaker 2: during the postseason, I got called in aj Hinch's office
• 36:34
  Speaker 2: and he drew me a picture on a piece of
• 36:36
  Speaker 2: paper explaining why they do this. So I was kind
• 36:39
  Speaker 2: of like, what are you doing? And the chances of
• 36:41
  Speaker 2: a left handed hitter, especially of our show, hitting a
• 36:44
  Speaker 2: foul ball down the third base line, right down the
• 36:47
  Speaker 2: line at one a you can't get in the way
• 36:49
  Speaker 2: of or two that hits the runner in fair territory
• 36:51
  Speaker 2: are so miniscule that the positives outright of the negatives.
• 36:54
  Speaker 2: So I listen, was it bad base running?
• 36:58
  Speaker 3: Yeah?
• 36:58
  Speaker 2: Could you gotten a bigger lead?
• 37:00
  Speaker 3: Yes?
• 37:00
  Speaker 2: Should he've had a bigger secondary, That's what I have
• 37:02
  Speaker 2: a problem with. His secondary wasn't good enough. But there's
• 37:04
  Speaker 2: also a new play that you'll see happening more and
• 37:06
  Speaker 2: more where the runner on third actually goes into fair
• 37:09
  Speaker 2: territory and pushes the third basement away and eliminates the pickoff.
• 37:14
  Speaker 4: I'm not going to rehash what aj said because I
• 37:16
  Speaker 4: think I one hundred percent agree with him. The secondary
• 37:20
  Speaker 4: should have been better. To me, you can't slide there.
• 37:24
  Speaker 4: That's the one thing aj didn't hit on. You cannot
• 37:27
  Speaker 4: slide there. The reason to slide into any base is
• 37:31
  Speaker 4: to slow down to stay on the base. IKF can
• 37:35
  Speaker 4: sprinter lunge, just like you would never in that situation
• 37:40
  Speaker 4: slide going into first base. You would you would run
• 37:43
  Speaker 4: straight through that base. Does he beat it? If he
• 37:47
  Speaker 4: runs straight through the base. That's the only point that
• 37:50
  Speaker 4: I think Ajed didn't bring up, and the point that
• 37:52
  Speaker 4: I would contest, because you can always argue if does
• 37:55
  Speaker 4: he need to be farther? Does he need to not
• 37:57
  Speaker 4: be farther off of that base? Going on contact? I
• 38:01
  Speaker 4: don't necessarily think you're going on contact in that situation.
• 38:05
  Speaker 4: It's one out, You're you're to me, you're more reading
• 38:09
  Speaker 4: it infields in because if that's not if Mickey Road
• 38:13
  Speaker 4: doesn't stumble on that, let's say it is a line drive.
• 38:17
  Speaker 4: To me, it's not all contact, it's all you're reading
• 38:20
  Speaker 4: the ball down and you're going you're not. You can't
• 38:23
  Speaker 4: get doubled up on an on a line drive to
• 38:26
  Speaker 4: end the World Series in that situation, I agree, But
• 38:30
  Speaker 4: he can't slide going into home. That's that's my only argument.
• 38:33
  Speaker 4: I think too many guys in general, all one hundred
• 38:36
  Speaker 4: and sixty two games, all thirty teams, slide into home
• 38:39
  Speaker 4: too many times because you know, we're taught no contact
• 38:43
  Speaker 4: at home, which I think is a little is a
• 38:46
  Speaker 4: little misleading, and I think everybody just slides.
• 38:49
  Speaker 2: Also, let me ask you this question. The night before
• 38:52
  Speaker 2: Barger Barger, Barger Barger got too big of a lead,
• 38:57
  Speaker 2: it was too aggressive. How much do you think that
• 38:58
  Speaker 2: played into the next game. They're like, we can't have
• 39:01
  Speaker 2: another guy doubled up. Like to me, in that situation,
• 39:04
  Speaker 2: you get over aggressive because if he hits a line
• 39:06
  Speaker 2: drive right at somebody and they catch it, I mean,
• 39:09
  Speaker 2: I'm sorry, tip your cap, you're more than what even
• 39:11
  Speaker 2: if you're that close to the base, If it's a
• 39:12
  Speaker 2: line drive, let's say, right to the second baseman, Miguel
• 39:15
  Speaker 2: Rojas picks and clicks it and throws right to Max Muncie.
• 39:18
  Speaker 2: If you're five feet six feet off the base, because
• 39:20
  Speaker 2: you're gonna take that one step, you're gonna be doubled
• 39:23
  Speaker 2: off anyways, right, But the one of Barger with Barger
• 39:26
  Speaker 2: went too far. That was a that was the first
• 39:28
  Speaker 2: of all. Great play by Miguel Rojas again, but you
• 39:31
  Speaker 2: know he was maybe a little too aggressive. So the
• 39:33
  Speaker 2: next night they're like, oh, hey, let's be careful on
• 39:35
  Speaker 2: the bases instead of being like, let's try to win
• 39:37
  Speaker 2: the game.
• 39:39
  Speaker 4: And I agree, those shouldn't have slitped you should have
• 39:41
  Speaker 4: ran right through it. Those those plays are stuff you
• 39:44
  Speaker 4: talk about in spring training and teams will continue to
• 39:47
  Speaker 4: talk about the teams that that care. And I'm not
• 39:49
  Speaker 4: saying the Jays didn't care or they didn't talk about this,
• 39:52
  Speaker 4: but you just continue to talk about it. And baseball
• 39:56
  Speaker 4: is a lot of it. When you play at this level,
• 39:57
  Speaker 4: Baseball is a lot about timing, and you already see
• 40:00
  Speaker 4: where something should be. The play in Game six with
• 40:04
  Speaker 4: Kyk Kyk catching it and getting rid of it all
• 40:08
  Speaker 4: in one move without taking two extra steps is what
• 40:11
  Speaker 4: got Barger. The ridiculous pick by Miguel Rojas is what
• 40:15
  Speaker 4: got Barger. Timing wise, Barger probably was gonna be safe
• 40:20
  Speaker 4: if a normal left fielder was out there. But you
• 40:23
  Speaker 4: have a guy who's played third base for the World
• 40:27
  Speaker 4: Series champion Dodgers, he's played shortstop, so you sit there
• 40:31
  Speaker 4: and you go. The timing was a little off on that,
• 40:34
  Speaker 4: the timing for the play for IKF. Everybody as soon
• 40:39
  Speaker 4: as it took that long, everybody's like, that's game. The
• 40:43
  Speaker 4: timing should be where he scores on that and he's
• 40:47
  Speaker 4: safe and it didn't happen.
• 40:51
  Speaker 1: I want to read this from a content producer named
• 40:55
  Speaker 1: Chris Black. He said, always respect the opinions of players,
• 40:58
  Speaker 1: former and current. Disagree with the logic. Here, Dalton var
• 41:03
  Speaker 1: Show nearly twenty five hundred career played appearances, sixteen hundred
• 41:06
  Speaker 1: and thirty four bad at balls, three hundred and forty
• 41:08
  Speaker 1: two line drives fifty eight to the opposite field, four
• 41:11
  Speaker 1: to three base, three of them jam shots, one true
• 41:16
  Speaker 1: line out to third base. When we say attention to detail,
• 41:19
  Speaker 1: this is what the hard workers behind the scenes put
• 41:22
  Speaker 1: together for these moments. He said. If the logic logic
• 41:25
  Speaker 1: is protect against getting doubled up, they were protecting against
• 41:28
  Speaker 1: something that had at best a zero point one percent
• 41:32
  Speaker 1: chance of happening. He said, bar Show has hit one
• 41:35
  Speaker 1: hundred and twelve round balls to first base to sega base,
• 41:39
  Speaker 1: shorts up whatever, right one versus four hundred twelve. So
• 41:44
  Speaker 1: he's trying to point out also how he did the
• 41:48
  Speaker 1: research and he posted about this. It was really good
• 41:52
  Speaker 1: if this is how all teams teach it. And this
• 41:54
  Speaker 1: is a reply that he had to both Ikf's explanation
• 41:57
  Speaker 1: about the team telling him this, and then with Merrifield,
• 41:59
  Speaker 1: our buddy, one of our FT hosts, Chris said, if
• 42:02
  Speaker 1: that were the case, we would see in similar situations,
• 42:07
  Speaker 1: similar lead distances. But when he looked at similar fielders'
• 42:10
  Speaker 1: choices ninth inning or later, tie basis loaded. So everyone
• 42:13
  Speaker 1: out ICAF was the only guy whose secondary lead was
• 42:16
  Speaker 1: under ten feet, the only one. So, like you said,
• 42:19
  Speaker 1: aj a play maybe the day before. Also a special
• 42:26
  Speaker 1: player might have made him scarer than anyone ever in
• 42:31
  Speaker 1: that situation.
• 42:33
  Speaker 4: As a player, you have to also risk first reward.
• 42:37
  Speaker 2: Okay, And here's the thing, you have a chance to
• 42:39
  Speaker 2: win the World Series, Okay, your only thought again as
• 42:42
  Speaker 2: a base runner, and I wasn't fast, but I felt
• 42:44
  Speaker 2: like I was a pretty decent bas runner because I
• 42:46
  Speaker 2: would think about situations and trying to think ahead and
• 42:48
  Speaker 2: think about what's going to happen. You can't be scared
• 42:50
  Speaker 2: to make a mistake being over aggressive. And I felt
• 42:53
  Speaker 2: like they were too worried about a play that again,
• 42:56
  Speaker 2: if he hits the line drive right at somebody, you
• 42:59
  Speaker 2: could be this far off the base, Okay, two to
• 43:01
  Speaker 2: three feet. You take that one step and you're gonna
• 43:04
  Speaker 2: be out anyways. Okay, So don't worry about that. If
• 43:07
  Speaker 2: he hits the ball that hard, did you just it
• 43:09
  Speaker 2: was bad luck.
• 43:10
  Speaker 4: But if he's two to three feet farther down the
• 43:12
  Speaker 4: line like he should have been, then he's safe. And
• 43:14
  Speaker 4: I agree with Witt. He's doing what he's supposed to
• 43:17
  Speaker 4: be doing. I think he could have had a little
• 43:20
  Speaker 4: better secondary. That's the thing that probably eats at me
• 43:22
  Speaker 4: more than anything, is like he didn't have a good
• 43:24
  Speaker 4: enough secondary. If you're going on a ball on the ground,
• 43:27
  Speaker 4: like you have to boom, be on your right foot
• 43:29
  Speaker 4: when the ball hits the ground and go right away.
• 43:31
  Speaker 4: There also was a slight pause before he went because
• 43:33
  Speaker 4: he's so worried about getting doubled up.
• 43:35
  Speaker 2: If I can't you can never be worried about getting doubled.
• 43:38
  Speaker 4: Up on the basis it is so like, well, we
• 43:42
  Speaker 4: go over this, we go over this up here in
• 43:45
  Speaker 4: the north with high school kids that have never played
• 43:47
  Speaker 4: baseball before. Like, it's the small basic things, and only
• 43:52
  Speaker 4: ikf knows his intent and his fear in that moment
• 43:57
  Speaker 4: of being doubled up. It's you can't run the bases.
• 44:03
  Speaker 4: You can't run the bases with fear or uncertainty, and
• 44:08
  Speaker 4: it's just it's one of those things. There's so many
• 44:10
  Speaker 4: still shots that what Aj was saying was he needs
• 44:14
  Speaker 4: a land on his right foot and be the exact
• 44:17
  Speaker 4: same distance as Max Munsey is from third base. That's
• 44:22
  Speaker 4: to me, that's the minimum. That's being completely down the middle.
• 44:27
  Speaker 4: You could probably be farther than the third basement, but
• 44:29
  Speaker 4: you have to be the same distance because the third
• 44:32
  Speaker 4: basement isn't going towards home. He's going to try to
• 44:35
  Speaker 4: go to catch the ball, and so he could have
• 44:38
  Speaker 4: a little bit of advantage getting back if it's a
• 44:40
  Speaker 4: once once in a season type of swing.
• 44:45
  Speaker 1: Yep, and hey, he's not going to pick.
• 44:48
  Speaker 2: I agree with everything Mike, Mike Petriella said right there.
• 44:51
  Speaker 2: He is not going to pick in that situation. I've
• 44:53
  Speaker 2: been in these situations. I've been in game winning series,
• 44:57
  Speaker 2: losingitu winning losing situations. The last thing on my head
• 45:00
  Speaker 2: as a catcher is I am not going to throw
• 45:02
  Speaker 2: this ball because I don't want it to go get
• 45:04
  Speaker 2: thrown away. I'm sorry, but he is Will Smith doesn't
• 45:07
  Speaker 2: pick a lot anyways. He is not a yachti moline.
• 45:10
  Speaker 2: He's not a Contreras they like to throw all the time.
• 45:14
  Speaker 2: He is just going to catch the ball and try
• 45:16
  Speaker 2: to keep it in front of him and hope the
• 45:17
  Speaker 2: defense makes a play. So that should have been the
• 45:19
  Speaker 2: last thing. And then I don't know as a as
• 45:22
  Speaker 2: a left I was a left handed hitter that sprayed
• 45:23
  Speaker 2: the ball over. I can't think of five times in
• 45:26
  Speaker 2: my career, and I had a lot of at bats
• 45:28
  Speaker 2: where I hit a line drive right to the third
• 45:29
  Speaker 2: basement right like, I mean, if that happened and then
• 45:32
  Speaker 2: you get doubled up on that, you know what again,
• 45:35
  Speaker 2: it just you weren't meant to win.
• 45:37
  Speaker 4: Andre Semenez hit the line drive when he did, he
• 45:40
  Speaker 4: did the he he butcher what's it called butcher boy playing,
• 45:44
  Speaker 4: you know, and then he hit the line drive, So
• 45:47
  Speaker 4: maybe he thought, oh yeah, well all lefties who knows
• 45:51
  Speaker 4: what I KF was thinking? A pick from home a
• 45:53
  Speaker 4: pick from the catcher. No. And some people said to me,
• 45:57
  Speaker 4: they were like, well, what if the what if he
• 45:58
  Speaker 4: gets a bigger lead and the pitcher picks them off.
• 46:01
  Speaker 2: Nope, not happening either.
• 46:03
  Speaker 4: Show me the video of a big league picture picking
• 46:07
  Speaker 4: somebody off at third base.
• 46:08
  Speaker 2: It's not happening, not in that situation for sure.
• 46:12
  Speaker 1: No.
• 46:13
  Speaker 4: And also, by the way, for all the people that
• 46:15
  Speaker 4: have harassed people online, stop, okay, stop harassing people. I
• 46:19
  Speaker 4: can't do what he thought it was right. He did
• 46:21
  Speaker 4: the best he could.
• 46:22
  Speaker 3: That's it. Stop.
• 46:22
  Speaker 4: Please.
• 46:23
  Speaker 2: We don't need that in any sport, not just baseball.
• 46:25
  Speaker 2: Stop harassing people saying I read Ray kiffs and people
• 46:28
  Speaker 2: are texting and I hope he breaks his legs.
• 46:30
  Speaker 4: Stop. Okay, stop please stop?
• 46:33
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 46:33
  Speaker 1: And also runners in scoring position left on base sucks
• 46:37
  Speaker 1: for Jeff Hoffen. He had a great postseason up until
• 46:39
  Speaker 1: that one point. Gives up the homer on the home
• 46:42
  Speaker 1: slider to Miguel Rojas, and eight thousand other reasons why
• 46:45
  Speaker 1: the Blue Jays were about as close as can be
• 46:48
  Speaker 1: to winning a World Series title, but it didn't happen.
• 46:51
  Speaker 1: So that was one that's been very controversial talked about
• 46:54
  Speaker 1: a lot wanted to go over it. Great analysis, and
• 46:57
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