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Episode 463 - “Scammers, Steam Decks & Shawn’s N64 Crisis!” · TechtalkRadio

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  Speaker 1: The following program is produced by the tech Talk Radio Network.
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  Speaker 2: Everybody, this is Gary Holy and you are hanging out
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  Speaker 2: with tech Talk Radio. Enjoy.
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  Speaker 1: Welcome to another episode of tech Talk Radio. I'm Andy Taylor,
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  Speaker 1: I'm Sean de Weird, and I'm Justin.
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  Speaker 3: Let me welcome.
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  Speaker 1: I'm just wondering why Sean just put the hood up
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  Speaker 1: over his head.
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  Speaker 3: It's it's kind of.
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  Speaker 4: Cold in the basement, and I'm just I'm over it.
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  Speaker 4: I've had a long week. Yeah, I'm tired.
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  Speaker 1: It's good that Justin is able to be here today.
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  Speaker 1: We're gonna come up later on. We're gonna find out
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  Speaker 1: Justin has been involved in a project that's pretty cool
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  Speaker 1: that he's been doing. Sean has been doing a lot
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  Speaker 1: of impulse buying, so he could not He could not
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  Speaker 1: afford the heat in the basement this month. That's why,
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  Speaker 1: because he spent so much money on his impulse buys.
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  Speaker 3: That's why he's wearing a hoodie and a sweater in
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  Speaker 3: the whole bit.
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  Speaker 4: So about a year ago, I saw I saw this
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  Speaker 4: product right, and I was like, nah, I'm not going
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  Speaker 4: to order it. I don't need I don't need it.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, I can't wait to find out what it is.
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  Speaker 1: But you're gonna tell us coming up in just a bit,
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  Speaker 1: because we have a discussion that actually is pretty good
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  Speaker 1: timing with you know, Monday being Cyber Monday. Are you
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  Speaker 1: going to do any more shopping, Sean, No, you're not.
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  Speaker 4: Not for myself anyways.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, justin anything.
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  Speaker 5: I haven't even started yet. I'm probably gonna need to.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I know. I'm planning to buy something on
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  Speaker 1: Black Friday, and I have been kicking myself to do this.
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  Speaker 1: But Black Friday special at Adobe for the Creative Cloud
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  Speaker 1: Suite has gone half off. I'm thinking I could do
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  Speaker 1: it for a year and go ahead and just spend
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  Speaker 1: I asked Gloria and she said, yeah, go for it.
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  Speaker 1: So I'm actually going to be going back to Adobe.
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  Speaker 1: Even though I'm loving Da Vinci, I'm loving you know,
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  Speaker 1: Riverside and all that, I'm gonna go ahead and do
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  Speaker 1: the whole suite. Premiere Adobe additions. How they get you Yeah, Photoshop. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I mean a year of it for half price. It's
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  Speaker 1: like not a bad thirty nine.
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  Speaker 3: Bucks a month. What do you think?
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  Speaker 4: I don't know, that's actually not that bad for the
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  Speaker 4: whole suite.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly.
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  Speaker 5: Okay, First off, I don't use I wouldn't be using
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  Speaker 5: as much as you might, Andy, So I think that's
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  Speaker 5: honestly ridiculous. But that's just me because I don't use
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  Speaker 5: that kind of stuff.
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  Speaker 3: Well, we'll talk about that more coming up.
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  Speaker 1: But First, Spies, Lies and Cybercrime is a book by
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  Speaker 1: Eric O'Neil just came out. He's a former FBI spy hunter,
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  Speaker 1: and but he was going after those that were hacking
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  Speaker 1: doing the various deeds online. He took down one of
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  Speaker 1: the first big cyber hackers and I got a chance
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  Speaker 1: to talk to him earlier today about you know, Black Friday,
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  Speaker 1: about shopping during cyber Monday, things that we need to
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  Speaker 1: be aware of, and we wanted to share that discussion
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  Speaker 1: with you right now on.
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  Speaker 3: Tech Talk Radio.
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  Speaker 1: This is a big shopping weekend.
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  Speaker 3: You think about it.
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  Speaker 1: We've got you know, Black Friday, you've got Small Business Saturday,
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  Speaker 1: you've got Cyber Monday, and you know it will continue
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  Speaker 1: through the holidays. However, people don't just shop during the holidays.
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  Speaker 1: People are shopping all the time year round, and people
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  Speaker 1: are getting scammed year round. And the thing is, how
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  Speaker 1: do you know when a scam is happening? It's become
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  Speaker 1: very hard to differentiate between an email or a phone
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  Speaker 1: call even or a text, and one of the ways
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  Speaker 1: to get around that is reading a great book Spies, Lies,
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  Speaker 1: and Cybercrime. Eric O'Neil is a legendary FBI operative and
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  Speaker 1: cybersecurity expert and joined us on the show.
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  Speaker 3: It is so good to talk to you, sir. Thank
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  Speaker 3: you for being here.
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  Speaker 2: Andy, it's great to be here and to talk to
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  Speaker 2: you about spies, eyes and cybercrime and holiday scams and
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  Speaker 2: why the dark web is coming after all our wallets.
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  Speaker 1: Well, and I know that I have read that you're
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  Speaker 1: not a big fan of the term hacker. And you know,
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  Speaker 1: hacker actually in the past had something positive. It was
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  Speaker 1: somebody who found a way around something to make it work.
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  Speaker 1: But it's turned into this term now which you put
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  Speaker 1: a hooded figure in a dark room typing. Whenever I
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  Speaker 1: ask AI to create, you know, an image of a hacker.
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  Speaker 1: That's what it does. That's not what the image is today,
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  Speaker 1: is it.
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  Speaker 2: That's right? And you know I despise that image. That's
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  Speaker 2: the Hollywood image of the hacker, right, And the problem
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  Speaker 2: with that is we tend to think because we see
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  Speaker 2: it on all these TV shows and movies that the
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  Speaker 2: hacker is this one person sitting in a basement, dark room,
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  Speaker 2: black hoodie type type typing the way to keyboard, hits
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  Speaker 2: one key and says in every single one of these
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  Speaker 2: TV shows, I'm in right, that would be magic. That's
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  Speaker 2: not how this works. That suggests that this person has
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  Speaker 2: some mystical power to type away and somehow get into
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  Speaker 2: your computer. And it's not the way that cyber criminals
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  Speaker 2: are coming after us. So my idea of saying there
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  Speaker 2: are no hackers, there are only spies is to elevate
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  Speaker 2: our thinking because the only difference today between a spy
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  Speaker 2: and these are intelligence officers working for incredibly well funded
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  Speaker 2: foreign intelligence services that are coming after us. The only
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  Speaker 2: difference between them and criminals is the outcome. Spies want
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  Speaker 2: to They do the same things. Reconnaissance learn everything about you,
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  Speaker 2: work as a team. They're well funded, very sophisticated, and
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  Speaker 2: they're numerous. Once they learn about you, they find the
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  Speaker 2: perfect way to attack, and then they launch the attack.
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  Speaker 2: They want to spend as much time stealing as much
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  Speaker 2: information as possible, learning as much about you, scamming you,
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  Speaker 2: fooling you, to get as much money as possible in
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  Speaker 2: the criminals case, to steal information in the spies case,
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  Speaker 2: and then at the end of the day, the only
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  Speaker 2: difference is the outcome, Right, the spies disappear and they
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  Speaker 2: never want you to know they were there. The criminals
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  Speaker 2: crash and burn everything as they leave.
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  Speaker 1: Is it difficult to enforce the crimes? You know, when
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  Speaker 1: somebody is caught, Is it difficult to actually, you know,
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  Speaker 1: put put them through a trial and find them guilty
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  Speaker 1: something because they leave very little trail behind.
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  Speaker 2: Yes. So one, the anonymity of the dark web makes
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  Speaker 2: it very easy for cybercriminals to launch attacks and then disappear,
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  Speaker 2: And cryptocurrency allows them to steal your money and move
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  Speaker 2: it through crypto chains in the dark web faster than
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  Speaker 2: law enforcement can repatriate it can steal it back. The
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  Speaker 2: other problem is so many of these cyber criminals are
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  Speaker 2: sitting in countries that pretend they don't exist, and in
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  Speaker 2: fact there's evidence that in China and Russia, for example,
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  Speaker 2: who are probably the biggest threat actors against the West,
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  Speaker 2: and that would be you know, Europe, the United States,
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  Speaker 2: et cetera, allow their criminals to attack us and give
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  Speaker 2: them carte blanche to attack as long as they don't
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  Speaker 2: attack where they live. So that's a big problem. And
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  Speaker 2: what that means is that even if we identify where
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  Speaker 2: the cybercrime gang or I like to call them cybercrime syndicates,
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  Speaker 2: because here here we're elevating above the hacker right where
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  Speaker 2: they exist, you know, there may be no tradition and
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  Speaker 2: the only thing we have is to negotiate with a
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  Speaker 2: foreign government to say these guys are bad and they're
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  Speaker 2: doing this, and nine times out of ten they say,
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  Speaker 2: don't be hysterical, that's not true. You know, we don't
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  Speaker 2: do that, even though we know everybody knows that that
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  Speaker 2: we get attacked by cyber criminals in places that we
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  Speaker 2: can't touch.
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  Speaker 1: Now, there may be you know, Mom and Pops listening
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  Speaker 1: to this right now or watching this saying, oh, they're
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  Speaker 1: not going to come after me. I'm just you know,
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  Speaker 1: a homeowner here in Green Valley or around the world.
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  Speaker 3: Nobody cares about me. But that's not the case.
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  Speaker 2: Not at all. The only is so the only thing
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  Speaker 2: criminals care about is whether you're vulnerable. They don't make money,
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  Speaker 2: they don't get paid unless they breach us, unless they
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  Speaker 2: scam us, unless they steal from us. So they just
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  Speaker 2: are looking for those who are the most vulnerable. So
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  Speaker 2: right now today going into you know, the holiday season,
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  Speaker 2: and in the holiday season, by the way, started in
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  Speaker 2: October at Halloween and it continues all the way through
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  Speaker 2: Valentine's Day. I mean, cyber criminals take any opportunity to
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  Speaker 2: launch an attack. And what they're doing is they're using
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  Speaker 2: an old spy tech toic called deception. So they're learning
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  Speaker 2: about you. They're going through your social media, they're stealing
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  Speaker 2: your user names and passwords, they're buying them for pennies
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  Speaker 2: off the dark web. They're using your identity for fraud,
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  Speaker 2: and they're just looking for the most vulnerable. And that's
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  Speaker 2: why you see so many attacks that come after our
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  Speaker 2: elders and our teenagers today because they're not as battle
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  Speaker 2: hardened as say, like me, a gen xer, where we
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  Speaker 2: just don't believe anything we see.
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  Speaker 4: Right, And.
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  Speaker 2: So you know, the idea of course behind writing the
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  Speaker 2: book is to teach you all the ways that the
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  Speaker 2: cyber criminals are coming after us, so you recognize it
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  Speaker 2: when that punch is coming to your face, and then
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  Speaker 2: teach you techniques to block that punch.
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  Speaker 1: Well, again, the book is Spies Lies, and cybercrime, but
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  Speaker 1: cybersecurity tactics to outsmart hackers, spies and disarmed scammers, which
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  Speaker 1: is going to be really important now as people go
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  Speaker 1: into the holiday season.
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  Speaker 3: One of those that I and I originally I.
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  Speaker 1: Thought, yeah, that's hard to do, the AI based impost attacks.
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  Speaker 1: And I used to think, well, okay, they have to
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  Speaker 1: call you, you make you say yes or whatever.
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  Speaker 3: You know.
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  Speaker 1: Recently I tested out Sora, which is that video generation
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  Speaker 1: AI platform, and I was so amazed Eric the fact
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  Speaker 1: that I could create an AI image of myself but
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  Speaker 1: sounded like me by repeating three numbers while it was
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  Speaker 1: taking that video to create that cameo. And that's all
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  Speaker 1: it takes to create that voice that sounds just like somebody.
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  Speaker 1: But people have been using this AI imposture based attack
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  Speaker 1: to scam people out of money. Can you tell us
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  Speaker 1: a little more about how that works.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, this attack is spreading like wildfire, and you're right,
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  Speaker 2: it's it's incredibly cheap. Now you can do it for
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  Speaker 2: free if you want to create your own AI avatar
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  Speaker 2: that will say and do anything you can. It's made
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  Speaker 2: scrolling through social media exhausting because nobody is actually on
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  Speaker 2: camera anymore. They're using their AI avatar to say and
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  Speaker 2: do everything. And these avatars, it just takes one photo
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  Speaker 2: and a little snippet of the voice and you can
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  Speaker 2: create an avatar that would look just like me right
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  Speaker 2: here in or a sound just like me. I've done
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  Speaker 2: it to myself so I can demonstrate it on stage.
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  Speaker 2: Here's an example of an attack, so people can know
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  Speaker 2: what's coming, because this is taking off and it's just
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  Speaker 2: gonna get worse, especially as we start to travel during
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  Speaker 2: the holidays. You get a call, So here's an example
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  Speaker 2: of an attack that I'm hearing from people left and
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  Speaker 2: right that are fortunately not falling for it because they
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  Speaker 2: know me and they've read some of my writing. But
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  Speaker 2: you get a call from, for example, if it was
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  Speaker 2: me my daughter. She's seventeen, she's driving, and she's a runner,
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  Speaker 2: so she's always away and I can't contact her when
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  Speaker 2: she's running, and they've tried to figure out people's schedule
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  Speaker 2: by looking at social media. This is an attack on
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  Speaker 2: a family, not an individual, and so they'll use they'll
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  Speaker 2: launch this attack when she's off, you know, down a
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  Speaker 2: trail and can't answer her phone because she doesn't have it.
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  Speaker 1: Call me.
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  Speaker 2: I get a call. It's my daughter's voice.
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  Speaker 4: Dad.
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  Speaker 2: I screwed up. I got in an accident. It's a
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  Speaker 2: car wreck. I think I really hurt the other person.
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  Speaker 2: I think she's pregnant. I don't know. You've got to
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  Speaker 2: help me. She's crying. Your heart starts slamming in your chest,
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  Speaker 2: because that's what any parent would feel. And then the
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  Speaker 2: phone gets handed over and you hear this male voice
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  Speaker 2: who says, I'm the public defender assigned to her case.
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  Speaker 2: This is a very serious case. I've got to go
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  Speaker 2: into the in front of the judge in the next
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  Speaker 2: five minutes and argue for bail. I need you to
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  Speaker 2: wire me. It's the only way you can get it
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  Speaker 2: to me fast enough. Four thousand dollars right away so
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  Speaker 2: I can make bail. Otherwise. I'm sorry. We miss our chance.
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  Speaker 2: And she's going to be in this prison for the
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  Speaker 2: next two weeks, and this is a very dangerous prison.
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  Speaker 2: She won't be okay. Right As a parent, what do
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  Speaker 2: you do? That's incredibly stressful? And when you say hold
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  Speaker 2: on a minute, they say you don't have a minute.
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  Speaker 2: They push a few techniques emotion right, They want you
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  Speaker 2: scared urgency. They do not want to give you time
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  Speaker 2: to think. It's the same way if you're getting attacked
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  Speaker 2: in a tech based attack or an attack on social media,
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  Speaker 2: or you're chatting with someone on an email, they never
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  Speaker 2: want you to have time to think that urgency is
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  Speaker 2: a real tell that it might be a deep bake attack,
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  Speaker 2: and they're pushing you into doing something you know you
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  Speaker 2: don't want to do, which is send money in a wire.
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  Speaker 2: Would a legitimate public defender be asking you to send
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  Speaker 2: a wire, right, they would be telling you to go
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  Speaker 2: what bail bondsmen? You could go, you should call right.
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  Speaker 2: But people don't know this and so they fall for it.
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  Speaker 2: And there are many different iterations and styles of this attack,
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  Speaker 2: depending on the family. And it is costing people here
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  Speaker 2: millions and millions of dollars across the country.
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  Speaker 1: Is it too late for people to rethink some of
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  Speaker 1: that stuff that they've posted on Facebook? You remember years
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  Speaker 1: ago and we all do, Oh what street did you
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  Speaker 1: live on? You know, what right is your favorite color?
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  Speaker 1: We didn't think anything of it. People, Okay, I'll go
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  Speaker 1: ahead and answer, and that stuff is out there in
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  Speaker 1: the public.
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  Speaker 2: Well, Andy, see that. The fact is those viral things
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  Speaker 2: come around because of cyber criminals. They put them out
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  Speaker 2: there because they want to steal that information. There's one
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  Speaker 2: that was going around really recently. It was like, uh,
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  Speaker 2: you know, what's the name of your grandma? Right, that
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  Speaker 2: would be your mother's maiden name. You know what's your
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  Speaker 2: grandma's last name? And everybody's like, my grandma's last name
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  Speaker 2: is really unique. That's a viral trend. Those trends are
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  Speaker 2: started by criminals so that they can get information they
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  Speaker 2: can use to reset or guess or cheat your passwords.
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  Speaker 2: Like I said, they're very clever, and they don't even
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  Speaker 2: have to be clever anymore because they're using AI agents
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  Speaker 2: to be clever for them and launch these attacks. The
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  Speaker 2: difference between you and me when we're using like anthropics
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  Speaker 2: Claude or chatchypt is that there are guardrails if you say,
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  Speaker 2: you know, and there actually are kind of ways to
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  Speaker 2: get around this. But if you say, put together a
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  Speaker 2: perfect script to launch a cybercrime attack against individuals that's
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  Speaker 2: going to make me one thousand dollars in the next week,
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  Speaker 2: you know, the AI hopefully will respond. I can't do
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  Speaker 2: that right right, But the Dark Web AI has no guardrails.
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  Speaker 2: It is just mean and evil and it'll happily help
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  Speaker 2: the cyber criminal do all of these things.
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  Speaker 1: And we like to think that, well, I don't put
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  Speaker 1: my info on Facebook or I'm not on it. You know,
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  Speaker 1: I've had friends to say I got rid of it.
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  Speaker 1: But the fact is hacks, spies that get into our
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  Speaker 1: bank accounts, that get into our hospitals, that get into
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  Speaker 1: you know, our real estate companies, that find out where
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  Speaker 1: we have a house where we have all that info,
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  Speaker 1: they take that info and then they use what is
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  Speaker 1: available on the dark web to then attack us. So
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  Speaker 1: just because we're not on social media or we don't
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  Speaker 1: talk to others that way, we don't know the information
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  Speaker 1: that has been taken from other companies.
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  Speaker 2: Right, That's exactly true. Your data, even if you protect
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  Speaker 2: your data with one hundred percent accuracy, you're a total
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  Speaker 2: light heite and you have a flip phone, you use
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  Speaker 2: a typewriter, you don't use a computer, and you're never
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  Speaker 2: on the internet. That doesn't mean that some organization that
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  Speaker 2: you've given your data to and trusted with your data
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  Speaker 2: hasn't just lost it. And that's why I talk about
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  Speaker 2: how the password is the most useless security device in
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  Speaker 2: human history. Passwords actually lead to more cyber crime than
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  Speaker 2: they say, because people rely on them. They believe that
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  Speaker 2: if they have a good password, they're going to be protected,
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  Speaker 2: and they're not. AI can crack shorter passwords. If your
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  Speaker 2: password isn't at least twelve characters long, with capitals and
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  Speaker 2: lowercases and different symbols, AI can crack it. The bad
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  Speaker 2: guys also can use AI to guess your password by
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  Speaker 2: going through your social media. But let's say you're not
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  Speaker 2: on social media. Well, you have usernames and passwords for things,
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  Speaker 2: and somebody lost it. And we tend to use the
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  Speaker 2: same amazing password for everything because we don't want to
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  Speaker 2: remember a lot of passwords. So that's why I say
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  Speaker 2: the number one most important thing you can do to
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  Speaker 2: protect your information from being lost there is turn on
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  Speaker 2: two factor authentication everywhere. I know so many people say
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  Speaker 2: this and we get the cybersecurity training and it's like
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  Speaker 2: the first thing, but it is so critical. It will
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  Speaker 2: save you. It has saved me so many times when
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  Speaker 2: I've accidentally just clicked through on something that was just
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  Speaker 2: supremely clever by cyber criminals and entered my username and
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  Speaker 2: password and then realized, oh, this is this is this
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  Speaker 2: is a scam, and but they could get me because
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  Speaker 2: I had two factor authentication. And for anybody who doesn't
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  Speaker 2: know what that means, that's where you get that extra
• 16:54
  Speaker 2: text to your phone or you or even better, you
• 16:57
  Speaker 2: open a special app on your phone and you get
• 17:00
  Speaker 2: a rotating number. It's usually six digits and it changes
• 17:03
  Speaker 2: every twenty seconds, and that is your actual key. And
• 17:06
  Speaker 2: there's no way for the bad guys to get that
• 17:07
  Speaker 2: except for like some mission impossible tactics, which they're probably
• 17:11
  Speaker 2: not going to use against you.
• 17:12
  Speaker 3: Yeah. Absolutely.
• 17:13
  Speaker 1: Now, when it comes to the emails we get, especially
• 17:17
  Speaker 1: now this weekend is big, We're going to get emails
• 17:19
  Speaker 1: from you know, Amazon, Target, Best Buy, whatever, say hey,
• 17:23
  Speaker 1: we've got these great deals, but you got to act now.
• 17:25
  Speaker 1: There's that urgency. And I would think that some of
• 17:28
  Speaker 1: these companies would say, no, we're not doing that, you know,
• 17:30
  Speaker 1: just hey, come to our website do it that way.
• 17:34
  Speaker 1: But people still do that, and they still see that,
• 17:36
  Speaker 1: Oh I got to click that link to be able
• 17:37
  Speaker 1: to get it today.
• 17:38
  Speaker 3: Right. That's not the smartest thing to do, is it.
• 17:40
  Speaker 2: Right. I don't click links in anything that comes to
• 17:43
  Speaker 2: me unsolicited, right, And I in the book, I talk
• 17:47
  Speaker 2: about becoming an email archaeologist, which is what we all
• 17:50
  Speaker 2: have to do. We still most of our business is
• 17:52
  Speaker 2: transacted on email. It's still the number one way that
• 17:55
  Speaker 2: humans communicate is through email. I think that's changing, it's
• 17:58
  Speaker 2: moving to text. Right now, it is still email, and
• 18:01
  Speaker 2: we tend to trust it, and that is a terrible
• 18:03
  Speaker 2: thing because email is not trustworthy. We have to be
• 18:06
  Speaker 2: incredibly careful on email. So when you get an email,
• 18:09
  Speaker 2: what you need to do is look at it like
• 18:11
  Speaker 2: it's a viper about to bite you, and see if
• 18:14
  Speaker 2: you can trust it. So start with I don't trust
• 18:17
  Speaker 2: you email, and then scrutinize it. Make sure it comes
• 18:20
  Speaker 2: from the person that says it comes from it. If
• 18:23
  Speaker 2: it's like, for example, I think he used Walmart, right,
• 18:25
  Speaker 2: and Walmart is sending you a deal seventy percent off
• 18:29
  Speaker 2: and it's the exact thing that you wanted, but it's
• 18:32
  Speaker 2: only available for the next hour.
• 18:34
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 18:35
  Speaker 2: There's that word again, urgency, too good to be true.
• 18:39
  Speaker 2: And if it's too good to be true and there's
• 18:40
  Speaker 2: all this pressure and urgency, it is probably not true.
• 18:43
  Speaker 2: And I guarantee you if you look at the center
• 18:46
  Speaker 2: of that email, it's not going to be the real Walmart.
• 18:49
  Speaker 2: And so what's the safest thing to do? Delete, Delete
• 18:51
  Speaker 2: the email, go to www dot Walmart dot com and
• 18:55
  Speaker 2: see if the deal is there. It's not going to
• 18:58
  Speaker 2: be in an email and not on the store's website.
• 19:01
  Speaker 2: That never happens. That's not the way these things.
• 19:03
  Speaker 3: Work, all right.
• 19:04
  Speaker 1: One more I definitely want to talk about is smishing.
• 19:07
  Speaker 1: People to say, what the heck is smishing? I think
• 19:10
  Speaker 1: we've got those texts where well, of course, the one
• 19:12
  Speaker 1: that was going around recently was you got a ticket
• 19:15
  Speaker 1: while you were driving. Yeah, and you were on a
• 19:18
  Speaker 1: toll road.
• 19:19
  Speaker 3: Or something and we saw you.
• 19:21
  Speaker 1: So how does somebody react to smishing?
• 19:24
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm I'm I'm looking on my phone right now
• 19:27
  Speaker 2: because you know, I'm going to read you a smishing
• 19:30
  Speaker 2: text that I just got as we're talking. Sorry, Noah,
• 19:34
  Speaker 2: I saw inline. You're in the kid's furniture business. I
• 19:36
  Speaker 2: was wondering if we chat about it, a complete and
• 19:39
  Speaker 2: utter non sequitur to anything that has to do with me.
• 19:42
  Speaker 2: I'm not, Noah, I'm not in the furniture business. So
• 19:44
  Speaker 2: why does this text come to me? The fact is
• 19:47
  Speaker 2: that this smishing text is coming to everyone, thousands and
• 19:50
  Speaker 2: thousands of people at one time, And what the cyber
• 19:53
  Speaker 2: criminals are doing is they're sitting there in a dark
• 19:55
  Speaker 2: web call center waiting for somewhere in really polite reply,
• 20:00
  Speaker 2: I'm sorry, this isn't Noah. You must have the wrong number.
• 20:03
  Speaker 2: And then they want to become your friend. They want
• 20:05
  Speaker 2: to become your best friend, and they will chat with
• 20:07
  Speaker 2: you for weeks. They're chatting to with dozens and dozens
• 20:10
  Speaker 2: of people at the same time. And then and then
• 20:13
  Speaker 2: what they do is they eventually say, usually you know,
• 20:18
  Speaker 2: I've got this investment opportunity, you should really try it out.
• 20:22
  Speaker 2: Now they've gained your trust, they've groomed you a little bit,
• 20:25
  Speaker 2: and now you start investing, and you invest a little
• 20:29
  Speaker 2: and they show you this perfect web portal that shows
• 20:31
  Speaker 2: your money going up and up and up and up
• 20:32
  Speaker 2: and up. And once they've got all of the money
• 20:35
  Speaker 2: that they can get out of you, once you start
• 20:36
  Speaker 2: being hesitant, once you say I've already given you fifty
• 20:39
  Speaker 2: thousand dollars, you know, I'm good, like I see that
• 20:42
  Speaker 2: it's growing, but this is great, Or you say I
• 20:44
  Speaker 2: want to take some out right, they disappear and you've
• 20:48
  Speaker 2: been what's called pig butchered. The other one you noticed, right,
• 20:52
  Speaker 2: or you know you noted? Is this insane toll booth
• 20:56
  Speaker 2: scam that we're getting now what where we talked about earlier,
• 21:00
  Speaker 2: here's urgency pressure, right and fear. What the tollbuscan says is,
• 21:07
  Speaker 2: you know you went through a told with and you
• 21:09
  Speaker 2: didn't pay. If you don't pay the fine, then we're
• 21:14
  Speaker 2: going to revoke your license, your driver's license. You won't
• 21:16
  Speaker 2: be able to drive, and you have two days to
• 21:19
  Speaker 2: pay the fine or sometimes two hours to pay the fine.
• 21:21
  Speaker 2: They're all different. And if you pay right away, you
• 21:25
  Speaker 2: can pay fifty percent of the fine, you know, so
• 21:28
  Speaker 2: a little bit of benefit too, and people are paying it.
• 21:31
  Speaker 2: It's a Chinese cyber crime gang and they made over
• 21:35
  Speaker 2: one billion dollars off of US people with phones last year.
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: We look at the disruption, there's also disruptors that are,
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: you know, just trying to cause havoc. I work for
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: a radio group that was well and they were ransomware
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: the whole bit about two years ago and it was awful. Now,
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: the recent hack of a radio station where they got
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: into what's called a barracks and we're able to transmit
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: their own ideology ologies ideology that that was kind of
• 22:09
  Speaker 1: a mess as well. So there are also those that
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: maybe they don't want to get money, maybe they don't
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: get they.
• 22:15
  Speaker 3: Just want to be disruptors.
• 22:16
  Speaker 1: But if you're a business owner, this kid cost you
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: a lot of money, Oh certainly.
• 22:20
  Speaker 2: I mean there are activists and if they're angry at
• 22:23
  Speaker 2: you because of something you said politically. You know, I
• 22:25
  Speaker 2: run a company called the Georgetown Group, and we do
• 22:27
  Speaker 2: investigative services and we do protective vulnerability assessments for companies.
• 22:33
  Speaker 2: And one of the things we look for is what
• 22:35
  Speaker 2: are you putting out in the public, what are you
• 22:36
  Speaker 2: putting on social media? And is some of the stuff
• 22:38
  Speaker 2: you're saying overly political or one of your executives is
• 22:41
  Speaker 2: overly political on one side or the other. And you're
• 22:44
  Speaker 2: going to get the attention of people who want to
• 22:47
  Speaker 2: do your harm. Because one of the easiest ways to
• 22:49
  Speaker 2: do someone harm now is with a cyber attack. It's easy.
• 22:53
  Speaker 2: You know, it could be a ransomware attack, it could
• 22:54
  Speaker 2: be data theft, it could be a theft of information
• 22:58
  Speaker 2: that embarrasses you or your business that's sent to your
• 23:01
  Speaker 2: competitor or published online. So we do need to be
• 23:04
  Speaker 2: very careful about that. And yes, ideology can drive these attacks.
• 23:09
  Speaker 2: It can also drive attacks from the inside. You could
• 23:12
  Speaker 2: have a trusted insider who decides that they don't like
• 23:15
  Speaker 2: you or your corporate structure or what you're doing, and
• 23:18
  Speaker 2: that they're going to make sure the world knows how
• 23:20
  Speaker 2: bad you are and manufacture things. So, yes, we have
• 23:24
  Speaker 2: to be very careful with our data, but also what
• 23:26
  Speaker 2: we put out in the world, and that's really important
• 23:29
  Speaker 2: personally as well.
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: What could you tell our listeners that one piece of
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: advice to be safe for, you know, throughout the end
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: of the year.
• 23:38
  Speaker 2: Certainly, so the biggest thing that we could do. The
• 23:41
  Speaker 2: biggest thing you can do is be your own spy hunter, right,
• 23:46
  Speaker 2: inspect everything, be incredibly careful, especially now during this time
• 23:50
  Speaker 2: of year when the scams are coming hard and fast.
• 23:55
  Speaker 2: If it looks too good to be true, it's probably
• 23:57
  Speaker 2: too good to be true. Right, You don't get seventy
• 23:59
  Speaker 2: percent off deals, and if you do, it's going to
• 24:01
  Speaker 2: be on their website. Turn on two factor authentication. And
• 24:05
  Speaker 2: then finally, just one little extra thing you can do.
• 24:09
  Speaker 2: Use a credit card. You get fraud protection with a
• 24:11
  Speaker 2: credit card. Don't ever use your debit card because if
• 24:15
  Speaker 2: they steal your debit card and they will get your
• 24:17
  Speaker 2: you know, secret code pin up from you, then they'll
• 24:21
  Speaker 2: trick you into giving you that. Then they will use it,
• 24:23
  Speaker 2: and when they use it, they can empty your credit card,
• 24:26
  Speaker 2: your entire bank account, and you might not have the
• 24:28
  Speaker 2: same fraud protection you will get from a credit card.
• 24:32
  Speaker 3: You know.
• 24:33
  Speaker 2: Never send a wire, never send crypto, and never send
• 24:37
  Speaker 2: gift cards. These are the three main ways that cyber
• 24:40
  Speaker 2: criminals will try to get money from you.
• 24:41
  Speaker 3: Excellent, great stuff.
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: Again, the book is available now. It is titled Spies
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: Lives in Cybercrime Cybersecurity Tactics to outsmart hackers and disarmed scammers.
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: Eric O'Neil, thank you so much for coming on the show.
• 24:54
  Speaker 2: And it was wonderful to be with you. Stay safe
• 24:56
  Speaker 2: out there.
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: Once again, want to thank Eric O'Neil for coming on
• 24:59
  Speaker 1: the show. You could find out more on his website
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: about Eric and Eric o n e I l L
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: dot net, ericoneil dot net and check out the brand
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: new book again available from Harper Publishing.
• 25:12
  Speaker 3: We'll take a quick break, we'll come back.
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: We'll find out what exactly it is that Sean did
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: an impulse buy on that's coming up on tech talk Radio.
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: Find us on the web at tech talk radio dot com.
• 25:24
  Speaker 3: And now back to tech talk Radio.
• 25:28
  Speaker 4: So imagine the year. I don't even remember where year
• 25:31
  Speaker 4: it came out, nineteen ninety six.
• 25:33
  Speaker 3: Maybe eighteen ninety years ago?
• 25:36
  Speaker 5: Is nineteen ninety six.
• 25:38
  Speaker 4: You're going to the story you go do that again?
• 25:40
  Speaker 3: Do that again? Jo said, that was a great narrative.
• 25:43
  Speaker 5: The year is nineteen ninety six.
• 25:47
  Speaker 4: I think those year came out.
• 25:49
  Speaker 3: A young seon de weird. Interesting.
• 25:54
  Speaker 5: And this is where our story begins.
• 25:58
  Speaker 4: Did either of you own a Nintendo sixty four?
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, of course, GoldenEye, Hello, I did, but it
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: got stolen. Somebody burglarized my house.
• 26:09
  Speaker 4: Dang, that's rough.
• 26:10
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 26:11
  Speaker 4: Anyways, so about a year ago, this company called Analog
• 26:15
  Speaker 4: three D created a brand new Nintendo sixty four that
• 26:24
  Speaker 4: will play the original cartridges, right, wireless controller support, control,
• 26:30
  Speaker 4: wired control support, original controller support, Bluetooth Wi Fi, the
• 26:35
  Speaker 4: whole thing. I bought one, I knew it.
• 26:41
  Speaker 3: What was it like, thirty forty bucks? So that's how
• 26:43
  Speaker 3: good it was.
• 26:45
  Speaker 4: Two and thirty nine dollars.
• 26:46
  Speaker 3: That's not that bad.
• 26:48
  Speaker 4: I have a handful of Nintendo sixty four games, so
• 26:52
  Speaker 4: the kicker is right. I bought it yesterday because they
• 26:55
  Speaker 4: so they pre orders were a year ago and all
• 26:58
  Speaker 4: the pre orders are shipping now and they finally restocked yesterday.
• 27:03
  Speaker 3: Cool.
• 27:04
  Speaker 4: And I was like I wanted one. I told cayl
• 27:06
  Speaker 4: And I wanted one when they were released. It's like
• 27:08
  Speaker 4: I really want it, then, do I want it now?
• 27:11
  Speaker 4: So I said, the heck with it, I'm gonna buy it.
• 27:15
  Speaker 4: I can't find my Nintendo sixty four games.
• 27:19
  Speaker 3: What wait?
• 27:20
  Speaker 5: Wait, wait do you have do you have physical I
• 27:22
  Speaker 5: do somewhere in my house.
• 27:25
  Speaker 3: Wait, they're not in your attic.
• 27:26
  Speaker 4: I don't know. I've been hunting all day today. I
• 27:30
  Speaker 4: bought it yesterday. I cannot find my original cartridges.
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: And the reason you bought it was so you could
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: play your original games.
• 27:38
  Speaker 3: Yes, give it so somewhere.
• 27:42
  Speaker 4: I don't know I did. It's wait, it's either somebody
• 27:45
  Speaker 4: borrowed them and I didn't get them back. They're in
• 27:47
  Speaker 4: a bin somewhere buried. I dug out. I have my old.
• 27:51
  Speaker 3: Nintendo Nintendo game.
• 27:53
  Speaker 5: I was wondering where you borrowed it.
• 27:58
  Speaker 4: It's like the multi meter ever get back to you?
• 28:00
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, all the way from San Diego.
• 28:03
  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, no, so yeah, but I literally I can't
• 28:08
  Speaker 4: I swear they were with the rest of my other
• 28:10
  Speaker 4: classic games. I've got all my Nintendo games, all my
• 28:13
  Speaker 4: old Xbox games, all my old Xbox three sixty they're
• 28:17
  Speaker 4: all in a shelf, right right, none of my none
• 28:19
  Speaker 4: of my sixty four games are there.
• 28:21
  Speaker 5: Hold on, but now let me ask you about this
• 28:23
  Speaker 5: this You said the company was called Analog three D.
• 28:26
  Speaker 3: Correct.
• 28:27
  Speaker 4: Yeah, well, it's called Analog and it's called the Analog
• 28:30
  Speaker 4: three D.
• 28:31
  Speaker 3: Okay.
• 28:32
  Speaker 5: Do they have to get a license from Nintendo and like,
• 28:36
  Speaker 5: let's say, Sega and all these other things, or is
• 28:38
  Speaker 5: this is this proprietary towards Nintendo, Like it only plays
• 28:41
  Speaker 5: Nintendo games or what?
• 28:42
  Speaker 3: How does it work? Yeah?
• 28:43
  Speaker 4: So it only it plays the carts.
• 28:45
  Speaker 3: So it's literally Nintendo sixty four.
• 28:48
  Speaker 4: Yeah, it's it's it's not doing any emulation or anything.
• 28:51
  Speaker 4: It's it's all. It's actually fully hardware respect So just
• 28:55
  Speaker 4: here's the here's the brief read for the website. Analog
• 28:58
  Speaker 4: three D represents a milestone and video game preservation. It's
• 29:00
  Speaker 4: not just reimagining the sixty four. It's the first fully
• 29:03
  Speaker 4: compatible hardware, accurate recreation, fully compatible with the entire n
• 29:07
  Speaker 4: sixty four game library.
• 29:08
  Speaker 3: If you have the games, if I have the games.
• 29:12
  Speaker 5: But I'm looking at pictures of this, it looks like
• 29:14
  Speaker 5: a Nintendo sixty four. It really does, except wireless support.
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: Do you remember years ago there were games that came
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: out controllers that were really small that could play ROMs,
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: you know, like old you know Nintendo ROMs, and you
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: could have fun with that.
• 29:30
  Speaker 3: But this isn't like that.
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: They they must have got some kind of licensing, right,
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: I mean I.
• 29:36
  Speaker 4: Would imagine so.
• 29:37
  Speaker 5: But yeah, I mean I know how you know how
• 29:42
  Speaker 5: litigious Nintendo is.
• 29:44
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's true.
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: If you if you had to replace these games, Sean,
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: could you do that?
• 29:48
  Speaker 4: Like, I mean, yeah, I have for a cost. Yeah, way, yeah,
• 29:52
  Speaker 4: I'm not I'm not gonna be happy about it if
• 29:55
  Speaker 4: I have to. They're they're in my house somewhere. Right,
• 29:58
  Speaker 4: there's the big I was the.
• 29:59
  Speaker 3: Big game on Nintendo sixty four, wasn't it GoldenEye?
• 30:02
  Speaker 4: Yeah, Mario sixty four, Perfect Dark, the Mario kart Off
• 30:08
  Speaker 4: tarak uh Perfect.
• 30:10
  Speaker 5: Dark, Pilot Wings sixty four, Hello Islet Wings?
• 30:14
  Speaker 3: I remember Orio star Fox sixty four. Right?
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: You know how it's gonna work when you're not looking
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: for it, and you've already you know, sold the thing again.
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: You put it on eBay because you couldn't find your games,
• 30:28
  Speaker 1: then you're gonna find the games.
• 30:29
  Speaker 4: Well, I mean I I I even have my original
• 30:32
  Speaker 4: sixty four.
• 30:34
  Speaker 3: Oh well wait, why did you buy this? Yeah?
• 30:37
  Speaker 4: Because that it's it's new, it's upscale, it plays four,
• 30:41
  Speaker 4: it's four K.
• 30:41
  Speaker 5: Because it's new, right there, Right, that's all we had
• 30:44
  Speaker 5: to hear. Because it's new.
• 30:46
  Speaker 3: I thought you just.
• 30:47
  Speaker 1: Didn't have a working sixty four anymore.
• 30:50
  Speaker 4: It's not working.
• 30:51
  Speaker 5: So this is why Caitlin's met mad at you.
• 30:53
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's why you're in the basement with a hoodie
• 30:56
  Speaker 1: and a sweater. Now we understand.
• 31:00
  Speaker 3: He's in the dog no.
• 31:02
  Speaker 4: But so so the other benefit's two hours. Like you
• 31:04
  Speaker 4: can do save files locally too, right, So it's not
• 31:07
  Speaker 4: they don't don't have to save them just to the cart.
• 31:09
  Speaker 4: So if you're having older games that maybe the battery's
• 31:12
  Speaker 4: dead or you can't, you know, there's too brittle to
• 31:14
  Speaker 4: take apart, et cetera. So I do too. They've got
• 31:21
  Speaker 4: to be there. Like I said, I've got all my
• 31:23
  Speaker 4: other stuff, my PlayStation three, my PlayStation two, my Nintendo,
• 31:27
  Speaker 4: my Super Nintendo, all my Superintendo Mini, my Nintendo Mini,
• 31:31
  Speaker 4: my PlayStation Mini, all the old classic stuff that I've got.
• 31:34
  Speaker 4: It's all there except except so I've got the controllers.
• 31:38
  Speaker 4: I've got everything else except the actual carts. So either
• 31:41
  Speaker 4: somebody ripped me off or of my friends took them
• 31:43
  Speaker 4: borrowed them without telling me something I don't.
• 31:46
  Speaker 3: Know, so I'm curious.
• 31:48
  Speaker 5: I'm looking at this though, and it mentions something very
• 31:51
  Speaker 5: interesting about the technology behind it. It talks about original
• 31:54
  Speaker 5: display modes, the new standard for CRT number of CRT
• 31:57
  Speaker 5: where the old monitors or the televisions, CATHA ray tube.
• 32:02
  Speaker 5: These were what we used to play games on when
• 32:04
  Speaker 5: we had Nintendo sixty four. We didn't have LCD and
• 32:07
  Speaker 5: O LEAD and all this stuff, right, So what it's
• 32:10
  Speaker 5: saying here is it's the new standard for CRT perfection
• 32:13
  Speaker 5: of four K, a museum grade restoration of analog gaming's
• 32:17
  Speaker 5: most beautiful display technology. It sounds like they're not even
• 32:22
  Speaker 5: ups I mean, they're upscaling.
• 32:23
  Speaker 3: Maybe the full resolution. But what they're doing is they're.
• 32:26
  Speaker 5: Introducing almost like a filter to make it look CRT.
• 32:32
  Speaker 1: Oh maybe that's different, Yeah, when.
• 32:35
  Speaker 4: That's what that's what I'm That's what I'm taking from it.
• 32:37
  Speaker 3: When do you get it in Sean? When is it
• 32:39
  Speaker 3: coming in?
• 32:39
  Speaker 4: They shipped it says that as long as all the
• 32:41
  Speaker 4: pre ordership first, they start shipping backfill on December second,
• 32:46
  Speaker 4: So I should have it in a couple of weeks,
• 32:48
  Speaker 4: I hope.
• 32:48
  Speaker 5: Before I thought you said it arrived yesterday.
• 32:50
  Speaker 3: Oh no, you ordered I ordered it yesterday.
• 32:52
  Speaker 4: Yeah. Yeah, And I mean it was one of those
• 32:55
  Speaker 4: things where I ordered it in my cart and bought
• 32:57
  Speaker 4: it and they were gone. So if if I wasn't
• 33:00
  Speaker 4: right there at.
• 33:00
  Speaker 3: A week, yes, yesterday.
• 33:03
  Speaker 4: So they've been so pre orders started shipping like like
• 33:06
  Speaker 4: two weeks ago. So the people that pre ordered well
• 33:09
  Speaker 4: over a year ago are now getting their models. And
• 33:13
  Speaker 4: that's why I happened to just be read. I was like, Oh,
• 33:14
  Speaker 4: people are getting them. I'm seeing content from them, I'm
• 33:17
  Speaker 4: seeing demos of them, I'm seeing them in the wild.
• 33:19
  Speaker 4: Right then I was like, oh, I'll just go check
• 33:21
  Speaker 4: the website restock. Then I checked it was the twenty fourth.
• 33:27
  Speaker 4: I checked on the twenty third and I saw that
• 33:30
  Speaker 4: it was it was I'm kind of like a I checked, panicked,
• 33:35
  Speaker 4: said I have to get it tomorrow. I'm not gonna
• 33:37
  Speaker 4: get it. I don't know if they don't. They don't
• 33:39
  Speaker 4: know if they're going to restock again after this.
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: That bekin cool, though, I hope you find at least one.
• 33:45
  Speaker 1: Do you have one game?
• 33:46
  Speaker 3: At least? I nothing I did.
• 33:48
  Speaker 4: I I swear I just saw Golden the other day
• 33:52
  Speaker 4: while I was looking like, I don't know. I've got
• 33:55
  Speaker 4: about a dozen games, and I'm not sure where they're at.
• 33:57
  Speaker 4: So I think I think at some point I let
• 33:59
  Speaker 4: somebody borrow it. Steve probably Steve, if you're listening, give
• 34:02
  Speaker 4: you a gaze back. So I'm sure. I'm sure one
• 34:08
  Speaker 4: of my friends has them because we've you know, I've
• 34:11
  Speaker 4: had parties with people over we've played them.
• 34:13
  Speaker 5: We're gonna be like, oh yeah about that's like five
• 34:17
  Speaker 5: times he said, Hey, I'm wanted.
• 34:19
  Speaker 4: To handlog three D, So now I'm gonna play them
• 34:22
  Speaker 4: all right.
• 34:23
  Speaker 1: We had a question in from a guy named Martin
• 34:25
  Speaker 1: in Veil. So that's veil out here. There's a veil
• 34:28
  Speaker 1: in Colorado. I know where you are. Justin it says,
• 34:30
  Speaker 1: I haven't heard you guys talk about this lately, but
• 34:32
  Speaker 1: I'm thinking about getting a smart watch for the New year.
• 34:35
  Speaker 1: Just around the corner. There could be some good deals
• 34:37
  Speaker 1: on Monday.
• 34:38
  Speaker 3: Who knows?
• 34:39
  Speaker 1: He says, can you guys recommend a brand? I have
• 34:41
  Speaker 1: an iPhone and would love to have a connect Again, Martin,
• 34:45
  Speaker 1: I know, Justin you have a lot of experience in
• 34:47
  Speaker 1: that I have. I have a smart watch, but you
• 34:50
  Speaker 1: know I got it before I switched over to Android.
• 34:52
  Speaker 1: But it's an Apple Watch. You had experience with Tick
• 34:56
  Speaker 1: and you got in on kickstarter campaigns.
• 34:58
  Speaker 3: Is that still working?
• 35:00
  Speaker 5: Oh gosh no, I haven't used Tick for probably ten years.
• 35:03
  Speaker 5: I don't even know if the company's even still around. Honestly,
• 35:06
  Speaker 5: if you're if you're within the iPhone Apple ecosphere, I
• 35:10
  Speaker 5: would say go with the Apple Watch unless there's a
• 35:14
  Speaker 5: need for more rugged features such as just yeah, just
• 35:18
  Speaker 5: rugged features, or if you just like to go out
• 35:20
  Speaker 5: and hike, then I would recommend the Garmin Watch.
• 35:23
  Speaker 3: I would.
• 35:24
  Speaker 5: If you're not on an Android I would I would
• 35:26
  Speaker 5: stay away from the Samsung Galaxy Watch and the Pixel
• 35:28
  Speaker 5: Watch because they are designed for Android. So yeah, I
• 35:32
  Speaker 5: would say either Apple Watch or the Garmin the Garden
• 35:35
  Speaker 5: I totally forgot about Garment. Does it have some of
• 35:38
  Speaker 5: the things like you know, heart monitor and all that.
• 35:40
  Speaker 4: Oh, absolutely, Yeah, the Garmin's gonna pays down beat the
• 35:45
  Speaker 4: iPhone in terms of health monitoring, health batteries, what they
• 35:49
  Speaker 4: call it tracking GPS.
• 35:53
  Speaker 3: Garment is by all mean garden.
• 35:56
  Speaker 4: I'm fairly certain that ties in with in reach, which
• 35:59
  Speaker 4: is Garmin's platfor for their security SOS stuff. I mean,
• 36:04
  Speaker 4: the garment stuff is cool. They have a handful of
• 36:06
  Speaker 4: different versions, the Phoenix, a couple other the ones that
• 36:09
  Speaker 4: I can think of at the top of my head.
• 36:11
  Speaker 4: So if you they're a little bit more stylish, handful
• 36:13
  Speaker 4: more options than the Apple Watch, rounded face plates, et cetera,
• 36:17
  Speaker 4: bigger this battery life.
• 36:21
  Speaker 3: Yeah, this guy right here watches. He watches.
• 36:23
  Speaker 4: So I did a lot of research on watches when
• 36:26
  Speaker 4: I bought my Apple Watch back a handful of years ago,
• 36:30
  Speaker 4: and then I have the Series eight. I think now
• 36:35
  Speaker 4: I like the Apple Watch. It does what I needed
• 36:37
  Speaker 4: to do. The frustration I have is with the Apple
• 36:42
  Speaker 4: Watch and iCloud and messaging, and this is something that
• 36:48
  Speaker 4: I really I've written to app about it because it's
• 36:50
  Speaker 4: frustrating so much. Let's say I'm sitting at my MacBook
• 36:54
  Speaker 4: at work and I've got my I message open, and
• 36:59
  Speaker 4: I leave my desk and I go into the control
• 37:01
  Speaker 4: room and I'm in the show. If Andy or Justin
• 37:05
  Speaker 4: you text message me to my Apple account, if my
• 37:08
  Speaker 4: mac is open, it thinks my MacBook is priority and
• 37:11
  Speaker 4: sends the notification only to my MacBook, right, so it
• 37:17
  Speaker 4: doesn't ping my watch. It doesn't like that. I don't.
• 37:20
  Speaker 4: I hated it. So for the longest time, I couldn't
• 37:23
  Speaker 4: figure out why I wasn't getting messages to my phone
• 37:26
  Speaker 4: or getting notified on my phone, or my watch wasn't
• 37:29
  Speaker 4: buzzing my watch because it was pinging to my MacBook,
• 37:32
  Speaker 4: which was open at work. So when the lid was shut,
• 37:35
  Speaker 4: even with the screen locks, it was still pushing notifications
• 37:38
  Speaker 4: to my computer at work. So the way around that
• 37:43
  Speaker 4: is you turn off all notifications to I messaging on
• 37:47
  Speaker 4: your computer, and it forces it back to your whatever
• 37:50
  Speaker 4: device is active, your watch or your phone, because if
• 37:53
  Speaker 4: you're if you're looking at your phone or your phone's open,
• 37:57
  Speaker 4: it'll ping your phone, ring, et cetera. If it's not,
• 38:00
  Speaker 4: it'll buzz your watch. So you're gonna have to play
• 38:03
  Speaker 4: with some of the settings like that, because that's that
• 38:05
  Speaker 4: was extremely frustrated to try and figure out and there's
• 38:08
  Speaker 4: no like blanket setting for Apple to say only push
• 38:12
  Speaker 4: you know, notifications to my phone or my watch.
• 38:14
  Speaker 3: Are they still doing it that you can?
• 38:16
  Speaker 1: You can actually tie in your cell connection to your
• 38:19
  Speaker 1: to your watch. I mean yeah, if your phone's hereby,
• 38:21
  Speaker 1: you could use it. But how about just separately so
• 38:23
  Speaker 1: you leave your you leave your phone accidentally at home,
• 38:26
  Speaker 1: you still have access.
• 38:27
  Speaker 3: To well, you have to have you have to have
• 38:29
  Speaker 3: a supports cellular.
• 38:31
  Speaker 4: It's yeah, it's they do make a cell based watch.
• 38:34
  Speaker 4: It's a separate plan, right, so it's not like tied
• 38:36
  Speaker 4: to your phone plan. It's a separate sim separate phone line,
• 38:39
  Speaker 4: et cetera. But yes, it can, it does do that.
• 38:44
  Speaker 4: So it's like, right cool, that's that is nice. So
• 38:46
  Speaker 4: if you don't want to have your phone with you,
• 38:48
  Speaker 4: you can just have your watch and.
• 38:50
  Speaker 3: Right, all right, we got to take a quick break.
• 38:53
  Speaker 3: We come back.
• 38:54
  Speaker 1: Justin's been involved in a project that involves leather. So
• 38:58
  Speaker 1: it's all about Oh, I'm Andy Taylor, I'm Sean de
• 39:02
  Speaker 1: Weird and I'm Justin. Let me find us on the
• 39:04
  Speaker 1: web at tech talk radio dot com.
• 39:06
  Speaker 3: We'll be right back now back to tech talk Radio.
• 39:11
  Speaker 5: So you guys know that I love video gaming. We've
• 39:14
  Speaker 5: talked so much about it in the past, and I
• 39:17
  Speaker 5: have multiple gaming devices. I have the Xbox, I've got
• 39:21
  Speaker 5: a gaming laptop, I got a gaming desktop, and I
• 39:24
  Speaker 5: also have the Steam Deck.
• 39:25
  Speaker 3: Did I tell you I pulled out my Wii the
• 39:27
  Speaker 3: other day? Wait? That doesn't sound good. That does not
• 39:31
  Speaker 3: sound right at all? Can we bookmark that? I am.
• 39:38
  Speaker 5: I'm so glad at your age you're still getting use
• 39:41
  Speaker 5: of it.
• 39:43
  Speaker 3: But I couldn't connect it to anything. It was sounds
• 39:49
  Speaker 3: like an input output problem.
• 39:50
  Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, so good, let's go on about your thing.
• 39:54
  Speaker 3: Okay, Okay, I don't even know where we left off.
• 39:57
  Speaker 3: I'm like, well, okay, that escalated quickly. All right.
• 40:02
  Speaker 5: Yeah, So I got a Steam Deck. So a Steam
• 40:05
  Speaker 5: Steam Deck is like a portable. It's it's kind of
• 40:08
  Speaker 5: like we think of like a Nintendo switch. I guess
• 40:10
  Speaker 5: if you haven't seen a Steam Deck, but it's it's
• 40:13
  Speaker 5: a little bit larger than a Nintendo Switch and it
• 40:16
  Speaker 5: is designed to play games from the Steam os So.
• 40:20
  Speaker 5: Valve is a company that makes Steam. Steam is a
• 40:23
  Speaker 5: platform primarily designed for PCs that allow you to purchase games.
• 40:29
  Speaker 5: You purchase games through Steam, you own the license to
• 40:31
  Speaker 5: be able to play the game on Steam. But then
• 40:34
  Speaker 5: they said, you know what, We're gonna come out with
• 40:36
  Speaker 5: a handheld and this was.
• 40:39
  Speaker 3: Gosh the five Yeah think five years ago. Now they've
• 40:43
  Speaker 3: been out.
• 40:44
  Speaker 5: But I got myself a steam deck. O lead So
• 40:46
  Speaker 5: O lead is the nicer model. It's true black screen,
• 40:49
  Speaker 5: it's a little bit larger, a little bit better battery life,
• 40:53
  Speaker 5: and I decided I'm getting bored with the way it looks. Yeah,
• 40:58
  Speaker 5: and I've been following on Reddit a subreddit called steam
• 41:01
  Speaker 5: deck moded and it shows people talking about different ways
• 41:04
  Speaker 5: they've modified their steam deck. So if you're watching the
• 41:08
  Speaker 5: videocast of this, you're gonna see it right now because
• 41:11
  Speaker 5: I'm gonna show it on screen. But what I did
• 41:12
  Speaker 5: with my steam deck is I went to d Brand
• 41:15
  Speaker 5: that's a website, d brand dot com and I ordered
• 41:19
  Speaker 5: a true real leather skin to wrap around the steam deck,
• 41:24
  Speaker 5: and then I did a bunch of other stuff. So
• 41:27
  Speaker 5: there's the steam deck. Now, WHOA that is awesome looking
• 41:30
  Speaker 5: wrapped in real leather. And when I say real leather,
• 41:33
  Speaker 5: I do mean real leather. Because if you see the
• 41:35
  Speaker 5: back of this right now, watch what happens when I
• 41:37
  Speaker 5: run my nail across it. Well, yeah, that's that is
• 41:42
  Speaker 5: real leather.
• 41:43
  Speaker 3: That is real.
• 41:45
  Speaker 5: So what I also did on top of that was
• 41:48
  Speaker 5: I got custom buttons, so the dpad, the start, the
• 41:52
  Speaker 5: steam button, the options button X, Y, A and B,
• 41:56
  Speaker 5: and the back button or whatever. These buttons now are
• 42:01
  Speaker 5: copper infused, so they are resin based, because they have
• 42:05
  Speaker 5: to be resin based. It can't be true metallic. But
• 42:07
  Speaker 5: they have copper infused in the resin. And so what
• 42:11
  Speaker 5: you do with these buttons is you sand them very
• 42:14
  Speaker 5: gently before you put them on. You sand them very gently,
• 42:17
  Speaker 5: and then you soak them in a solution of vinegar
• 42:20
  Speaker 5: and salt for about twenty four hours. And what that
• 42:23
  Speaker 5: does is that speeds up the patina process. Now, do
• 42:26
  Speaker 5: you guys know what patina is?
• 42:28
  Speaker 3: No, No, it is that. So patina.
• 42:30
  Speaker 5: Think of like something that's old and it's starting to
• 42:33
  Speaker 5: get a little bit green. Think about the Statue of Liberty, right,
• 42:38
  Speaker 5: it's copper based. It came from France. It came in
• 42:40
  Speaker 5: bronze and copper finished, but then over the years it
• 42:43
  Speaker 5: got green. That's patina. So what these buttons will do
• 42:47
  Speaker 5: is over the course of time. Now that I've accelerated
• 42:49
  Speaker 5: the process me just simply using it with the skins.
• 42:53
  Speaker 5: The oil on my skin will get into these buttons
• 42:56
  Speaker 5: and it will cause patina, and the same goes for
• 42:59
  Speaker 5: the leather, having oil on my skin gripping the console.
• 43:02
  Speaker 5: What I'm hoping to do in the next six months
• 43:04
  Speaker 5: or so is by playing this enough, it'll start to
• 43:07
  Speaker 5: have that that that authentic old finish look to it,
• 43:11
  Speaker 5: to make it almost look like a steam punk steam deck.
• 43:14
  Speaker 3: Oh that's so cool.
• 43:16
  Speaker 4: That would be cool.
• 43:17
  Speaker 3: That would be So this is the beginning stages. It
• 43:19
  Speaker 3: is operational. Now.
• 43:20
  Speaker 5: I do have some caveats to this, all right. I
• 43:23
  Speaker 5: also upgraded the joysticks, and so what I did with
• 43:26
  Speaker 5: these these are the original joysticks that come with it.
• 43:31
  Speaker 5: I'm sorry not in this picture. I ordered some new
• 43:35
  Speaker 5: Hall Effect joysticks. Now I don't necessarily understand the whole
• 43:39
  Speaker 5: concept of hal Effect. All I know is that it
• 43:41
  Speaker 5: is a much more sensitive joystick and it lasts a
• 43:45
  Speaker 5: long time without joystick drift, which you get with cheap controllers.
• 43:50
  Speaker 5: So I ordered these things and I popped them in.
• 43:53
  Speaker 5: I had to take off and I'll show the pictures.
• 43:55
  Speaker 5: I'll put it up on the website or something. I
• 43:57
  Speaker 5: bought with these pictures. Yeah, but I had to take
• 43:59
  Speaker 5: apart the entire steam deck get into the guts. I
• 44:02
  Speaker 5: pulled out the module for the joystick and I put
• 44:04
  Speaker 5: the new ones in. When I fired it back up,
• 44:07
  Speaker 5: my joy My my steam deck just kept going.
• 44:09
  Speaker 4: Could I get get get.
• 44:11
  Speaker 3: Like it would?
• 44:12
  Speaker 5: Just like it was sounding like it needed like a
• 44:14
  Speaker 5: like I was. I was putting input on a joystick.
• 44:17
  Speaker 5: It was giving me that that audible feedback and I'm like,
• 44:21
  Speaker 5: I'm not even touching the joystick, what's wrong? So then
• 44:24
  Speaker 5: I had to go through and I had to use
• 44:25
  Speaker 5: AI over and over, asking questions to AI, what's going on,
• 44:29
  Speaker 5: here's my symptoms, what's happening. It's like, oh yeah, this
• 44:32
  Speaker 5: is this happens all the time, just do this. Nothing worked. Finally,
• 44:37
  Speaker 5: what I did was I swapped out the the left
• 44:40
  Speaker 5: joystick with the original joystick that came with it, and
• 44:44
  Speaker 5: but I kept the new joystick and the right joystick
• 44:47
  Speaker 5: just because I didn't want to take them both out.
• 44:49
  Speaker 5: When I connected up the original joystick, everything worked fine.
• 44:53
  Speaker 5: So basically what that tells me is I have a
• 44:55
  Speaker 5: bad joystick module that got shipped to me from the factory.
• 44:58
  Speaker 3: So I just did.
• 44:59
  Speaker 5: I just did a quick return process on Amazon. It'll
• 45:01
  Speaker 5: take a couple of days. I'll get the new joystick,
• 45:03
  Speaker 5: send the old ones back. Boom, I'll be in business
• 45:06
  Speaker 5: with the new. So overall, the steam Deck itself, this
• 45:10
  Speaker 5: is the steam Deck O Lead addition, this is a
• 45:13
  Speaker 5: five hundred and twelve gigabyte platform. I also added an
• 45:16
  Speaker 5: extra SD card in it, but we'll not talk about that.
• 45:19
  Speaker 5: This off the shelf is around what is it sean
• 45:24
  Speaker 5: five hundred I want to say for the O lead
• 45:26
  Speaker 5: five to twelve, five nine maybe yeah, five ninety nine.
• 45:29
  Speaker 5: And then with these add ons, the deck skin, the
• 45:33
  Speaker 5: touchpad skins, the copper buttons, and the joystick modules, let's
• 45:36
  Speaker 5: talk about another one hundred and twenty bucks. But it's
• 45:40
  Speaker 5: customized by you, but it's customized to me.
• 45:42
  Speaker 3: This is my Steam Deck.
• 45:44
  Speaker 5: There are many like it, but this one is mine, right,
• 45:47
  Speaker 5: So how long did it take you to do this?
• 45:50
  Speaker 1: I mean to tear it apart? And did you did
• 45:53
  Speaker 1: you use the web.
• 45:54
  Speaker 3: To kind of? Yes? Yeah?
• 45:56
  Speaker 5: No, though I definitely used a couple different YouTube videos
• 45:58
  Speaker 5: on how to take apart the steam because it is
• 46:00
  Speaker 5: not easy. Now that I've done it, and this is
• 46:04
  Speaker 5: the best part. I did it, and I put everything
• 46:06
  Speaker 5: back and I separated all my screws into compartments, like okay,
• 46:09
  Speaker 5: this goes on this side, this one, this one. I
• 46:12
  Speaker 5: get done and I put everything back together, and I'm
• 46:15
  Speaker 5: left with one screw.
• 46:17
  Speaker 3: So it always works, man, always.
• 46:20
  Speaker 5: And so I went to AI and I'm like, okay,
• 46:22
  Speaker 5: I followed your directions, like because it sent me the
• 46:24
  Speaker 5: website and everything to follow, and I'm left with one screw?
• 46:27
  Speaker 3: What should I do?
• 46:28
  Speaker 5: And he goes, ah, welcome, my child. You are part
• 46:32
  Speaker 5: of the One screw Leftover club?
• 46:35
  Speaker 3: Are you using rock?
• 46:37
  Speaker 2: Yes?
• 46:37
  Speaker 5: Yeah, it acts like that sometimes anyway, but yeah, no,
• 46:41
  Speaker 5: it was. It was a really cool build. It took me,
• 46:44
  Speaker 5: I want to say, the better part of four hours
• 46:47
  Speaker 5: because I want troubleshooting, because I did have to troubleshoot
• 46:49
  Speaker 5: for a long time.
• 46:50
  Speaker 3: So let's say four hours.
• 46:52
  Speaker 5: Now, if I didn't have to troubleshoot taking apart this
• 46:55
  Speaker 5: to put the new switches and buttons in and joysticks,
• 47:01
  Speaker 5: let's say two hours and then the skin about another hour.
• 47:06
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 47:06
  Speaker 1: Somebody asked me the other day, you know, when you
• 47:09
  Speaker 1: want to look up something, what.
• 47:11
  Speaker 3: Do you do? I said, Well, I it, I Grock.
• 47:14
  Speaker 1: Yeah, lately, I've just been going for those that are
• 47:16
  Speaker 1: used chat GPT. That just seems to be a way
• 47:19
  Speaker 1: to get it done. And I mean, yeah, once in
• 47:22
  Speaker 1: a while I'll just go ahead and open up YouTube
• 47:24
  Speaker 1: and I'll look there.
• 47:25
  Speaker 3: That seems to work well too.
• 47:27
  Speaker 5: What I keep reminding myself with AI when I'm searching
• 47:31
  Speaker 5: for something, is that what AI does, And basically in general,
• 47:36
  Speaker 5: especially GROC. I don't know exactly how Chatgypt works and
• 47:39
  Speaker 5: all this, but I know grock. It will search websites.
• 47:42
  Speaker 5: It will search fifty different websites, fifty different Reddit posts,
• 47:46
  Speaker 5: fifty different Twitter or X posts, and then it aggregates
• 47:51
  Speaker 5: all of that data and it puts it into a
• 47:54
  Speaker 5: concise answer for you. So sure, if you want to
• 47:57
  Speaker 5: go do it yourself. Go visit all fifty of those
• 48:00
  Speaker 5: web pages, Go visit all fifty of those X posts,
• 48:03
  Speaker 5: Go visit all those Reddit pages, and then figure out
• 48:06
  Speaker 5: for yourself. Or take ten seconds ask AI and bam,
• 48:10
  Speaker 5: there's your answer.
• 48:12
  Speaker 3: I had a project the other day.
• 48:13
  Speaker 1: My son had sent me a graphic and he said,
• 48:16
  Speaker 1: can you take this make this transparent? And I'm like sure,
• 48:19
  Speaker 1: I've got an older version of Photoshop Photoshop five, put
• 48:22
  Speaker 1: it in there, started working with it.
• 48:24
  Speaker 3: Took me about thirty minutes, you know, and it looked good.
• 48:27
  Speaker 1: But then I thought, I just want to see and
• 48:29
  Speaker 1: I went ahead and I popped it into you know,
• 48:31
  Speaker 1: chat GPT, and I said, can you do this? Do
• 48:34
  Speaker 1: this exactly what I did. Forty five seconds it was done,
• 48:37
  Speaker 1: and it's just the.
• 48:39
  Speaker 3: Way now that photo is used for training. Yeah, that's
• 48:44
  Speaker 3: the true. That's the other thing which we had a question.
• 48:46
  Speaker 1: I want to make sure we get to this from
• 48:48
  Speaker 1: Adrian and Irvine, so thank you Adrian. It says, what
• 48:52
  Speaker 1: is your recommendation for a secure email provider? There's news
• 48:55
  Speaker 1: that Google has started accessing Gmail users private emails and
• 48:58
  Speaker 1: attachments to train its AI models, which I'm not sure
• 49:01
  Speaker 1: if that's the case, but it said my search came
• 49:03
  Speaker 1: up with proton mail. And since I'm just a user
• 49:06
  Speaker 1: and not that tech savvy, I'm asking for your advice.
• 49:10
  Speaker 1: I also wanted to know what station we're on in
• 49:12
  Speaker 1: the nine two six one four area if Irvine, we're not,
• 49:15
  Speaker 1: but we're always Spotify. Yeah, Spotify, and you could watch
• 49:19
  Speaker 1: the videos on Spotify now, which is cool. But now, Sean,
• 49:23
  Speaker 1: you had posted something about proton about the email address
• 49:26
  Speaker 1: recycling danger that nerds dot x y z had posted
• 49:30
  Speaker 1: and I didn't get a chance to read that.
• 49:32
  Speaker 4: So yeah, time, So there's a concern that proton mail
• 49:37
  Speaker 4: is going to start. Basically, if you just type you know,
• 49:41
  Speaker 4: if you went to proton mail creating a cow that
• 49:44
  Speaker 4: was just you know, you smashed the keyboard and you
• 49:46
  Speaker 4: hit a fgx y nine five five five five, and
• 49:51
  Speaker 4: you use that for like logging email for Facebook or
• 49:54
  Speaker 4: a security email for a bank account or something. So
• 49:58
  Speaker 4: you know, it's a it's a randomized email if it's
• 50:01
  Speaker 4: if it's been domain, if it's been dormant for a
• 50:04
  Speaker 4: period of time, they're going to start reclaiming those and
• 50:07
  Speaker 4: then allowing them to be reissued.
• 50:11
  Speaker 3: And give them to somebody else.
• 50:12
  Speaker 4: So if you can only imagine that if you get
• 50:15
  Speaker 4: a dormant what happens if they flag it a relatively
• 50:18
  Speaker 4: generic email as dormant, recycle it. Somebody comes back in
• 50:23
  Speaker 4: gets it, and all of a sudden, you may go
• 50:26
  Speaker 4: and think, oh my Facebook account from fifteen years ago,
• 50:29
  Speaker 4: let me go get back into it refresh. Oh I
• 50:32
  Speaker 4: don't have access to that email anymore. Weird. Somebody else
• 50:35
  Speaker 4: gets an email. Hey, here's your code to log in.
• 50:38
  Speaker 3: Yep. Oh that's not good.
• 50:40
  Speaker 4: Right, So that's the concern is that if that happens,
• 50:44
  Speaker 4: I can't I don't know if it is. This is
• 50:47
  Speaker 4: a blog post on nerds x y Z. That's kind
• 50:51
  Speaker 4: of scary, all right.
• 50:52
  Speaker 3: So if you get a proton ail, use it. There
• 50:55
  Speaker 3: you go.
• 50:56
  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, but no.
• 50:57
  Speaker 5: But to answer his question, Adrian's question, think thank you
• 51:00
  Speaker 5: for listening to Irvine. By the way, Yeah, proton mail
• 51:02
  Speaker 5: is great. I mean I've never personally used it. I
• 51:06
  Speaker 5: have not a need to use it, but I've heard
• 51:08
  Speaker 5: so many good things about proton mail.
• 51:10
  Speaker 3: Yeah I know, uh yeah, I hear the.
• 51:12
  Speaker 1: Station uses it and he's happy with it, and we
• 51:14
  Speaker 1: have an account now, so it might be something to
• 51:17
  Speaker 1: check out. We got to take a quick break. We
• 51:19
  Speaker 1: come back with more of tech Talk Radio.
• 51:21
  Speaker 3: Justin.
• 51:21
  Speaker 1: You're gonna have to give us follow up once you
• 51:23
  Speaker 1: get those joysticks in.
• 51:24
  Speaker 5: If that tekes care of that issue, absolutely.
• 51:26
  Speaker 3: We'll be back. I'm Andy Taylor, I'm Sean de Weird,
• 51:29
  Speaker 3: and I'm Justin.
• 51:30
  Speaker 5: Let me send us an X at tech talk Radio.
• 51:33
  Speaker 3: We'll be right back. And now back to tech Talk Radio.
• 51:36
  Speaker 4: I really enjoy.
• 51:37
  Speaker 1: Listening to your show.
• 51:38
  Speaker 3: It's really cool.
• 51:39
  Speaker 1: Well, thanks, very very informative.
• 51:42
  Speaker 3: US rookie are your rookie, I'm very much a rookie
• 51:46
  Speaker 3: for you jet set travelers.
• 51:48
  Speaker 1: Justin has come up with a website of the week
• 51:51
  Speaker 1: that may just be of interest to you.
• 51:54
  Speaker 5: We've all had that situation where we have these different
• 51:56
  Speaker 5: credit cards that we have different points, and we want
• 51:59
  Speaker 5: to cash in those points. It's for like travel, but like, oh,
• 52:02
  Speaker 5: I need one hundred thousand points to do this, but
• 52:04
  Speaker 5: I only have eighty thousand on this credit card, and
• 52:07
  Speaker 5: then I have twenty thousand on this credit card. What
• 52:09
  Speaker 5: do I do? Go to point dot me Point do me?
• 52:15
  Speaker 3: All right? E O I n T dot me.
• 52:17
  Speaker 5: It is a website that basically combines your points. They
• 52:22
  Speaker 5: do take a nominal fee, but they will combine your
• 52:25
  Speaker 5: points together from multiple partners and allow you to purchase
• 52:28
  Speaker 5: that dream vacation you've always been wanting to go do.
• 52:32
  Speaker 5: How are they able to do that? Though, I don't
• 52:35
  Speaker 5: know and I don't ask questions.
• 52:36
  Speaker 1: Yeah, if they get it off City and get it
• 52:38
  Speaker 1: off Discover.
• 52:40
  Speaker 5: And I'm just I just know that. For instance, our
• 52:43
  Speaker 5: good friend Matt Jones, right, he just flew to Spain. Yeah,
• 52:48
  Speaker 5: for free by using point dot me.
• 52:52
  Speaker 3: And well I shouldn't say for free.
• 52:53
  Speaker 5: Actually they had to pay their economy fee, but then
• 52:56
  Speaker 5: they got upgraded to business because of point dot me.
• 52:59
  Speaker 5: But you can use points for a hotel too, right,
• 53:01
  Speaker 5: I mean you could. Yeah, there's all kinds of stuff
• 53:03
  Speaker 5: in here. That's pretty good.
• 53:05
  Speaker 3: Yeah, pretty good.
• 53:06
  Speaker 5: And they do have like a standard annual which basically
• 53:08
  Speaker 5: works out to ten dollars and seventy five cents a
• 53:10
  Speaker 5: month one hundred and twenty nine dollars annual. You get
• 53:14
  Speaker 5: some extra perps with that, or even the premium is
• 53:17
  Speaker 5: two hundred and sixty annually or twenty two dollars a month,
• 53:20
  Speaker 5: and then you get a bunch of extra stuff with
• 53:22
  Speaker 5: that as well. So you can do the basic right,
• 53:25
  Speaker 5: or you can pay for it and you get extra stuff.
• 53:26
  Speaker 5: But yeah, point on me. It's it's a pretty cool website.
• 53:30
  Speaker 5: That's a good website.
• 53:30
  Speaker 1: I want to say a shout out to Ruddy Adam
• 53:33
  Speaker 1: or rud dionm on YouTube who made a comment just
• 53:37
  Speaker 1: it was just throw a comment up saying I like you.
• 53:39
  Speaker 3: Guys, I thought that would appreciate it. That was very nice. Yeah,
• 53:43
  Speaker 3: so thank you very much.
• 53:44
  Speaker 4: Guys.
• 53:45
  Speaker 1: Yeah, big plans for you know, as we get into
• 53:48
  Speaker 1: the holiday shopping season, any ideas what to give is gifts.
• 53:55
  Speaker 5: For yourself, right, actually for you Sean Nintendo sixty four cards, Yeah, yeah.
• 54:01
  Speaker 4: Yeah, well we'll take it. Hey, if anybody listening out
• 54:04
  Speaker 4: there has their kids old Nintendo sixty four's or anybody did,
• 54:10
  Speaker 4: just know what to do with them, email us, give
• 54:13
  Speaker 4: them to me. I'll stream it. I will plug it
• 54:16
  Speaker 4: in and stream it for you. Yeah, I find them,
• 54:21
  Speaker 4: I'll find them and I'll update you guys in the
• 54:22
  Speaker 4: next couple of days. I'm sure. I'm sure they're just
• 54:25
  Speaker 4: buried in the pileo something I don't know.
• 54:27
  Speaker 3: Probably all right. That wraps up this week's tech Talk Radio.
• 54:31
  Speaker 3: I'm Ady Taylor, I'm Seanda Weird, and I'm justin.
• 54:34
  Speaker 5: Let me once again find us on the web at
• 54:35
  Speaker 5: tech talk radio dot com. Have yourselves a great week,
• 54:38
  Speaker 5: Happy holidays.