Latest / Wired To Hunt Podcast / Ep. 554: Foundations - The Buck Bed Mystery
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- 0:01Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wired to Hunt Foundations podcast, your guide
- 0:05Speaker 1: to the fundamentals of better deer hunting, and now your host,
- 0:11Speaker 1: Tony Peterson. Hey, everyone, welcome to the Wire to Hunt
- 0:14Speaker 1: Foundations podcast, which is brought to you by First Light.
- 0:17Speaker 1: Today's episode it's sort of a playoff the last week's show.
- 0:21Speaker 1: This week in a weird connection to that, I'm talking
- 0:23Speaker 1: about buck beds and some of the mysteries that surround me.
- 0:35Speaker 1: I'm pretty reluctant to get into this world of scouting
- 0:38Speaker 1: and hunting buckbeds, or at least I have been. And
- 0:42Speaker 1: you know, I remember reading about Dan Infult and some
- 0:44Speaker 1: of these other guys a long time ago, and they
- 0:47Speaker 1: were always preaching the virtues of hunting buck beeds, and
- 0:49Speaker 1: I thought, well, that doesn't make sense. Now. That was
- 0:53Speaker 1: because I didn't really understand the value of buck beds.
- 0:57Speaker 1: But you can't ignore it forever, no matter how stufforn
- 1:00Speaker 1: you are. And I'm pretty stubborn. So lately, especially in
- 1:03Speaker 1: the last couple of years, I've been paying a lot
- 1:05Speaker 1: of attention to specific buckbeds and trying to factor them
- 1:08Speaker 1: into my scouting and my hunting strategies, which is what
- 1:11Speaker 1: I'm going to talk about right now. If you follow
- 1:23Speaker 1: Mark on social media, you probably saw that he posted
- 1:28Speaker 1: about a friendly fishing contest we had Back in June. He,
- 1:31Speaker 1: along with fellow Metator Guy Corey Caulkins, challenged myself and
- 1:36Speaker 1: other meat eat guy Garrett Long to a fishing contest.
- 1:40Speaker 1: It was a dumb move on his part for so
- 1:43Speaker 1: many reasons. First off, even though they enlisted the help
- 1:47Speaker 1: of an ore man in Foundations podcast engineer Hayden Samack,
- 1:51Speaker 1: they were fly fishing for trout. There's there's nothing wrong
- 1:55Speaker 1: with that, mind you. I love fly fishing, but you're
- 1:57Speaker 1: not likely to stack up a bunch of big trout
- 2:00Speaker 1: while fishing from a driftboat. You're just not, especially in
- 2:03Speaker 1: about four hours, which is the time we gave ourselves. Now,
- 2:07Speaker 1: if they were competing against other fly fishermen, of course
- 2:10Speaker 1: they would have had a chance. But Garrett and I
- 2:12Speaker 1: weren't fly fishing. We were bass fishing out of a
- 2:14Speaker 1: bass boat with real fishing tackle, real gear. I'm not
- 2:19Speaker 1: saying fly fishing isn't real gear. I'm just saying we
- 2:21Speaker 1: had lots of advantages in our spinning and bait casting rods.
- 2:25Speaker 1: We also happened to be on a lake that I
- 2:27Speaker 1: fished an awful lot all summer long and have fished
- 2:31Speaker 1: for years, And we also happen to have an amazing
- 2:35Speaker 1: scenario where the water temperature had busted through the sixty
- 2:38Speaker 1: degree mark and it stayed there, meaning the Smalley's were
- 2:41Speaker 1: headed shallow to make new Smalley's. And when they do this,
- 2:45Speaker 1: they're pretty easy to catch and they're pretty easy to find. So,
- 2:49Speaker 1: in other words, Mark and Corey didn't stand a chance.
- 2:54Speaker 1: Although they talked a lot of ship that they were
- 2:57Speaker 1: going to stomp us, they didn't. Garrett and I had
- 3:01Speaker 1: too many advantages, not the least of which is being
- 3:04Speaker 1: a hell of a lot better at fishing. But we
- 3:07Speaker 1: also had betted Smalley's to work with in a lake
- 3:09Speaker 1: that I have fished for twenty years. And do you
- 3:12Speaker 1: know where those Smalley's were bedded? Mostly, or a better
- 3:16Speaker 1: question would be, do you know what I'm talking about
- 3:18Speaker 1: fishing and not betted bucks? Because those male Smalley's they
- 3:23Speaker 1: sought out boulders and stumps to build their beds against.
- 3:27Speaker 1: And do you know why? Because they are easier to
- 3:31Speaker 1: defend if you don't have to worry about an approach
- 3:34Speaker 1: from every direction. Let's say you're a smallmouth, you're a
- 3:39Speaker 1: male smallmouth, and your bed is against a boulder, you
- 3:43Speaker 1: you've already kind of reduced the area in which you
- 3:45Speaker 1: have to watch for crayfish or perch or sunfish or
- 3:48Speaker 1: any critter that might be looking for a little caviare
- 3:52Speaker 1: now Bronze backs aren't building beds to lay down in obviously, Well,
- 3:58Speaker 1: I mean, I guess they kind of are, but not really.
- 4:00Speaker 1: They use their tails and fins to create a spot
- 4:02Speaker 1: that's just right for a big female to layer eggs in.
- 4:04Speaker 1: Then the males do their thing on the eggs and
- 4:06Speaker 1: they wait for the fry to hatch. But the design
- 4:10Speaker 1: is meant to make survival of their offspring easier, to
- 4:13Speaker 1: ensure simple stuff with deer beds serve a different function,
- 4:19Speaker 1: but there are parallels. When you start paying attention to
- 4:22Speaker 1: deer beds, you really start to see some patterns emerge. Rarely,
- 4:28Speaker 1: maybe almost never, do you see a mature buck bed
- 4:31Speaker 1: in a place that doesn't offer at least a few
- 4:34Speaker 1: real advantages to him. I don't know. A simple example
- 4:38Speaker 1: of this that relates to Smalley's is how often bucks
- 4:41Speaker 1: bet up next to a dead fall or some other
- 4:44Speaker 1: piece of structure. They seem to know that coyotes or
- 4:48Speaker 1: wolves or Elmer Fudd types aren't going to crash their
- 4:51Speaker 1: way through a dead fall to get to them in
- 4:53Speaker 1: that situation. They're taking out the possible approach, or at
- 4:57Speaker 1: least one possible approach of a editor, which narrows down
- 5:02Speaker 1: the area they need to monitor with their senses. It's
- 5:06Speaker 1: pretty simple and it's pretty effective. You often see beds
- 5:09Speaker 1: on benches or knobs or other terrain that offers a
- 5:13Speaker 1: clear advantage, usually with elevation, because elevation is important, and
- 5:18Speaker 1: bucks know this and they use it well. Just think
- 5:22Speaker 1: about how hard it is to climb up a hill
- 5:24Speaker 1: and surprise a deer that is halfway up at looking down.
- 5:28Speaker 1: Then think about how hard it would be to approach
- 5:30Speaker 1: from above if the wind was blowing downhill. Say you're
- 5:33Speaker 1: like in a thermal situation. In those specific cases, good luck,
- 5:39Speaker 1: you're not going to get the jump on that buck,
- 5:40Speaker 1: and he knows it. That's why they bed where they do.
- 5:45Speaker 1: It's why when you're taking a shortcut through the big
- 5:47Speaker 1: woods and you cross a swampy meadow, you often find
- 5:50Speaker 1: a random big oval on a high hummock that is
- 5:54Speaker 1: tucked into a vast landscape that doesn't seem all that special,
- 5:58Speaker 1: or why when you go peasant hunting you decide to
- 6:01Speaker 1: let the dogs run through the overgrown homestead for a rooster,
- 6:04Speaker 1: you often jump a big buck who waits until the
- 6:06Speaker 1: labs are dang near sniffing his butt before he breaks free.
- 6:11Speaker 1: Those bucks, they understand their world, each and every part
- 6:15Speaker 1: of it. And you know what we really don't, well,
- 6:19Speaker 1: not really, but finding beds, which you can do right now.
- 6:23Speaker 1: It's a pretty good start. Now. The beds you find
- 6:27Speaker 1: in the middle of the summer, they won't necessarily be
- 6:30Speaker 1: the ones that the bucks will use in October, but
- 6:33Speaker 1: that doesn't make them valueless, and it doesn't mean that
- 6:36Speaker 1: some of those beds don't transcend seasons. Understanding what dear
- 6:41Speaker 1: choose to do in all facets of their life is
- 6:45Speaker 1: a huge check in the wind calumn. This is something
- 6:48Speaker 1: the industry, and by that I mean the hunting industry,
- 6:51Speaker 1: hasn't done a very good job of talking about. But
- 6:53Speaker 1: it is absolutely true. The path, or at least I
- 6:57Speaker 1: should say, a good path to big dead deer on
- 7:01Speaker 1: a consistent basis, isn't point a to be stuff. It
- 7:06Speaker 1: involves a lot of side tangents and a lot of
- 7:08Speaker 1: time just looking around. Think about this when you're scouting now,
- 7:12Speaker 1: and when you do find a buck bed or any bed,
- 7:16Speaker 1: actually ask why why there? And then ask in what
- 7:21Speaker 1: conditions would that be most beneficial? Ask yourself if you
- 7:25Speaker 1: feel like maybe you're in a little micro climate where
- 7:28Speaker 1: it stays cooler. That's good to know now, because it's
- 7:31Speaker 1: good to know in September when the temperatures are high.
- 7:35Speaker 1: Ask yourself what wind the buck or deer would probably
- 7:39Speaker 1: prefer there, And when you get the answer, ask yourself
- 7:43Speaker 1: how you'd use that knowledge to your advantage. If a
- 7:47Speaker 1: west wind would give him a real edge in a
- 7:49Speaker 1: specific bed that you found, how does that work for you?
- 7:54Speaker 1: Can you set up on the down wind side to
- 7:56Speaker 1: watch him leave? Can you maybe guess his approach trout
- 8:00Speaker 1: from nearby food sources with that specific wind direction? What
- 8:04Speaker 1: is it that he has working for him? And how
- 8:07Speaker 1: can you use that against him? Ask yourself if I
- 8:12Speaker 1: bumped him out of that bed, where would he go
- 8:15Speaker 1: and how would he get back? I honestly think one
- 8:19Speaker 1: of the biggest mysteries in the white tailed world is
- 8:22Speaker 1: buck betting. We see some of the evidence left behind,
- 8:26Speaker 1: but have to fill in so many of the blanks.
- 8:29Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know how often do you actually
- 8:32Speaker 1: see a buck lay down in a bed. I scout
- 8:35Speaker 1: and hunt quite a bit, and it does not happen
- 8:38Speaker 1: to me very often. It really doesn't happen very often
- 8:41Speaker 1: with big bucks, and when it does, I pay attention.
- 8:45Speaker 1: How they behave in relation to betting tells you a
- 8:49Speaker 1: lot about how secure they are in a spot. And
- 8:52Speaker 1: finding places where big bucks are confident you won't kill
- 8:55Speaker 1: them or even just come in and bother them is
- 8:57Speaker 1: the secret to actually killing them with some frequency. I
- 9:02Speaker 1: absolutely believe that now I should expand on something here,
- 9:07Speaker 1: because I think a lot of the messaging around buck
- 9:10Speaker 1: beds and hunting them is kind of incomplete, or at
- 9:14Speaker 1: the very least we're exposed to sort of a highlight
- 9:16Speaker 1: reel from the better buck bed hunters out there. The
- 9:21Speaker 1: message is usually that you should find a specific buck's
- 9:24Speaker 1: bed and then figure out the conditions in which he'll
- 9:26Speaker 1: use it. Then you slip in as close as possible
- 9:29Speaker 1: and you shoot him. Easy, peasy, lemon squeezy. Right. I
- 9:35Speaker 1: don't think so. I think that's wrong. I think it's
- 9:38Speaker 1: so wrong, so very very very very wrong. Sneaking up
- 9:42Speaker 1: on a bedded buck can absolutely be done with the
- 9:44Speaker 1: right conditions, But then you've got to have the right
- 9:47Speaker 1: conditions and the knowledge that he's actually in the bed
- 9:50Speaker 1: when you want to stalk him, aside from running a
- 9:53Speaker 1: cell camera over the bed, which would be at best
- 9:56Speaker 1: in ethical gray area, in the legal gray area, I
- 10:01Speaker 1: don't I don't know how you would guarantee something like that. Now,
- 10:04Speaker 1: you could, in some situations glass up a bed you
- 10:08Speaker 1: suspect has a sleeping buck in it to confirm your suspicion. Now,
- 10:12Speaker 1: that would give you a hell of an advantage, but
- 10:14Speaker 1: wouldn't make the final approach much easier unless you have
- 10:17Speaker 1: some rain or wind or both to cover up your approach.
- 10:20Speaker 1: And we all know that there's probably not that many
- 10:23Speaker 1: situations where you're gonna easily be able to glass up
- 10:26Speaker 1: a bed at buck. Maybe out west, maybe in a
- 10:28Speaker 1: few more open areas, but in most places good luck.
- 10:33Speaker 1: So maybe a better strategy is to scout your ass
- 10:36Speaker 1: off and find some beds without thinking about hunting right
- 10:39Speaker 1: over them. Scout them up now this time of year
- 10:44Speaker 1: and throughout the season, mark the beds, you assume our buckbeds,
- 10:48Speaker 1: drop away point, whatever you gotta do, and then factor
- 10:51Speaker 1: that into a bigger strategy. Let's just say, like, for example,
- 10:56Speaker 1: if you find a bed in a marsh on public
- 10:58Speaker 1: land where you could slip in and saddle up close by,
- 11:02Speaker 1: give that a shot. You'll learn a lot about your
- 11:04Speaker 1: skills in that move, and a lot about whether the
- 11:06Speaker 1: buck is actually killable that way or not. If you
- 11:09Speaker 1: find a big oval next to a dead fall, you know,
- 11:12Speaker 1: halfway up a bluff, side on a little bench, oh,
- 11:15Speaker 1: maybe you won't be able to get his close. Fine,
- 11:18Speaker 1: what next? Then? Is he killable on top of the
- 11:21Speaker 1: ridge or in the valley below? Is there a reason
- 11:24Speaker 1: for him to side hill into or out of that
- 11:26Speaker 1: bed that will give you some kind of ambush option,
- 11:30Speaker 1: some kind of advantage. The benefit of focusing on beds,
- 11:35Speaker 1: specific individual buck beds is that you might know exactly
- 11:39Speaker 1: where a buck is going or exactly where he is,
- 11:43Speaker 1: or exactly where he might be coming from. And that's
- 11:46Speaker 1: not nothing, my friends. That's a big deal, and it
- 11:50Speaker 1: is doable. And it's also important to note that trying
- 11:53Speaker 1: new hunting styles and techniques and forcing yourself to think
- 11:57Speaker 1: about deer in a new way is a true tremendous
- 12:00Speaker 1: opportunity to actually grow as a hunter and get way better.
- 12:05Speaker 1: Remember at the beginning of this podcast when I talk
- 12:07Speaker 1: about how I kicked Mark's ass at a fishing contest, Well,
- 12:11Speaker 1: I used to fish a lot of bass tournaments. I
- 12:14Speaker 1: still fish a few, but I used to fish a
- 12:15Speaker 1: lot that was in a past life, and I was
- 12:18Speaker 1: as obsessed with it as I am with bow hunting
- 12:20Speaker 1: white tails. Now. There are plenty of downsides to that
- 12:24Speaker 1: life on the road chasing a little green and brown fish,
- 12:26Speaker 1: especially if you're a young, drunken idiot. But one of
- 12:29Speaker 1: the upsides that I didn't see coming when I registered
- 12:32Speaker 1: for my first tournament was that it would force me
- 12:35Speaker 1: to get better, way better. And it did this on
- 12:38Speaker 1: two fronts. The first was that I started out on
- 12:41Speaker 1: the amateur or co angler side. That man, I was
- 12:43Speaker 1: paired up with a professional, and in some tournaments you'd
- 12:46Speaker 1: work as a team, and in some tournaments you'd fish
- 12:50Speaker 1: against each other out of the same boat. No matter
- 12:53Speaker 1: the format, getting to fish with someone who was really
- 12:56Speaker 1: good it was always a humbling experience. I learned a
- 13:00Speaker 1: ton from some of those pros and It forced me
- 13:03Speaker 1: to think about how much better I could be. The
- 13:06Speaker 1: Other thing was that fishing new lakes and new river
- 13:09Speaker 1: systems and new reservoirs meant that there were a lot
- 13:13Speaker 1: of techniques that could work better than what I was
- 13:16Speaker 1: comfortable doing. No, the problem would be like, say, I
- 13:20Speaker 1: don't know, the large mouth were schooled up on a
- 13:22Speaker 1: sunken rock pile in July, or they were twenty ft
- 13:25Speaker 1: deep on weed lines lounging out around the thermocline eating
- 13:29Speaker 1: crayfish or whatever. Now, if you primarily love to throw
- 13:33Speaker 1: spinner baits or some other chunk and wine lure, you
- 13:36Speaker 1: might fish I don't know, eighteen feet above those large ease.
- 13:39Speaker 1: But someone several someone's probably in a tournament. They're going
- 13:43Speaker 1: to figure out how to drag a Carolina rig passed
- 13:45Speaker 1: them and light them up. Getting your ass handed to
- 13:49Speaker 1: you by someone who is better at a technique like
- 13:51Speaker 1: that it really kind of forces you to want to
- 13:53Speaker 1: learn it, or it should. I missed that aspect of
- 13:56Speaker 1: tournament fishing, because if you don't like losing, and who
- 13:58Speaker 1: really does, you're gonna work on some new stuff and
- 14:02Speaker 1: you're gonna get better. White tail hunting is no different
- 14:07Speaker 1: and a great example of that just might be bed hunting,
- 14:11Speaker 1: or at least focusing on finding and reading buck beds.
- 14:15Speaker 1: While I'm far from an expert on this topic, I'm
- 14:18Speaker 1: trying to get better, and one thing I've learned is
- 14:22Speaker 1: that beds become more important to me when I not
- 14:24Speaker 1: only think about them, but give myself a good reminder.
- 14:28Speaker 1: If I find a bed while scouting that I think
- 14:31Speaker 1: belongs to a big deer, I immediately drop a waypoint
- 14:34Speaker 1: in that exact spot, and then I usually key in
- 14:37Speaker 1: a few notes as well to remember things like wind
- 14:40Speaker 1: direction and what would you know the conditions most likely
- 14:45Speaker 1: be for a buck to use that specific bed, And
- 14:49Speaker 1: if you start to find a few of those beds
- 14:50Speaker 1: on a specific property, you can really kind of begin
- 14:53Speaker 1: to piece together an idea of what bucks are really
- 14:57Speaker 1: doing throughout the daylight hours. Now it's worth saying that
- 15:01Speaker 1: you might find three or four obvious buckbeds on property,
- 15:04Speaker 1: and they might belong to three or four different bucks,
- 15:06Speaker 1: or they might belong to one. The good news is
- 15:09Speaker 1: it probably doesn't matter. If you know where a good
- 15:12Speaker 1: buck likes to bed and what conditions he's likely to
- 15:14Speaker 1: bed there, you have an advantage for the season, but
- 15:18Speaker 1: also several seasons to come. This is one of the
- 15:22Speaker 1: things that fascinates me most about buckbeds. Honestly, while food
- 15:26Speaker 1: sources often changed from year to year, and you know,
- 15:29Speaker 1: travel routes might change depending on a litany of factors,
- 15:33Speaker 1: a good betting site often doesn't. This is because they
- 15:37Speaker 1: are so closely tied to the terrain, which means it's
- 15:40Speaker 1: not likely that the knob on the ridge is going
- 15:42Speaker 1: to wash away in a huge rainstorm or become altered
- 15:45Speaker 1: in some way from one season to the next. And sure,
- 15:49Speaker 1: you know, logging activity could do it, and too much
- 15:51Speaker 1: hunting pressure could convince bucks to look for better spots.
- 15:55Speaker 1: But if nothing really big interferes with their betting spot,
- 16:00Speaker 1: bus will keep using it. And why does that matter? Well,
- 16:05Speaker 1: what if you scout your ass off this summer and
- 16:07Speaker 1: you find, I don't know, six spots where the biggest
- 16:10Speaker 1: buck on your property likes to bed. You probably think
- 16:12Speaker 1: you got him dialed right like, you might as well
- 16:16Speaker 1: just call a taxidermist now and tell him to order
- 16:19Speaker 1: up a form because this is a done deal. But
- 16:22Speaker 1: what if your neighbor goes out on opening night and
- 16:23Speaker 1: kills the buck you've staked out for all you're scouting
- 16:26Speaker 1: and hunting time, you've hung your you've hung your hat
- 16:29Speaker 1: on that buck, and he's toast aside from sewing up
- 16:32Speaker 1: a little voodoo doll to look like your neighbor and
- 16:34Speaker 1: then spending your nights sticking hot needles into its delicates,
- 16:37Speaker 1: and the hopes that you're no good buckshooting neighbor will
- 16:40Speaker 1: suddenly get super sharp pains in his undercarriage. You also
- 16:44Speaker 1: know that that big buck chose those spots for a reason,
- 16:48Speaker 1: and you know who else is going to figure that out?
- 16:51Speaker 1: The next buck in line. And I talked about this
- 16:54Speaker 1: a little bit ago, and I really mean it. That's right,
- 16:57Speaker 1: And while it might not be the second biggest on
- 17:00Speaker 1: your ground, you know that it's highly likely that when
- 17:04Speaker 1: King Kong gets arrowed and opens up a power vacuum,
- 17:08Speaker 1: someone is coming in to take advantage of his spot.
- 17:11Speaker 1: It's very likely that that someone is a buck who
- 17:14Speaker 1: recognizes the same survival advantages that the previous buck did,
- 17:19Speaker 1: and you know what, he's going to set up shop there.
- 17:23Speaker 1: These generational findings are a gift to us white tail hunters.
- 17:28Speaker 1: And while it's nice to figure out what apple tree
- 17:30Speaker 1: is dropping during September, so you can set up there
- 17:33Speaker 1: right now. By that, I mean in the season, not
- 17:36Speaker 1: don't do it right now. It's also nice to find
- 17:39Speaker 1: certain things in the woods that should be used by
- 17:41Speaker 1: bucks consistently from year to year to year to year.
- 17:46Speaker 1: It doesn't take too many of those before you've always
- 17:49Speaker 1: got a decent idea of what should be going on
- 17:52Speaker 1: in the woods. And if you don't think that matters,
- 17:56Speaker 1: hang out with someone who is a lot better hunter
- 17:58Speaker 1: than you. If you can find one, they'll be thinking
- 18:01Speaker 1: about that stuff all the time, and it'll factor into
- 18:04Speaker 1: their scouting decisions and their hunting decisions. It will drive
- 18:08Speaker 1: where they walk, where they hang cameras, and eventually where
- 18:11Speaker 1: they hang their happy ass off a side of a
- 18:13Speaker 1: specific tree throughout the fall. So go find some beds,
- 18:18Speaker 1: mark them, think about them, consider why Buck would use
- 18:22Speaker 1: them and when he'd be there. Don't rely solely on
- 18:26Speaker 1: their locations to end your scouting efforts, but use them
- 18:29Speaker 1: to enhance the bigger picture. That's the best method for
- 18:33Speaker 1: becoming better at this stuff. And be sure to tune
- 18:35Speaker 1: in next week because I'm gonna talk about why settling
- 18:38Speaker 1: with your equipment throughout the summer shooting sessions is a
- 18:41Speaker 1: sure fire way to screw up a shot on a
- 18:43Speaker 1: deer come fall. That's it for this week, folks. I'm
- 18:48Speaker 1: your host, Tony Peterson. That has been the Wired Hunt
- 18:49Speaker 1: Foundations podcast which has brought to you by First Light.
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