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The Captain Of Security Operations At MCC And His OIG Deposition (Part 2) (5/30/26) · The Vault: The Epstein Files

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  Speaker 1: What's up, everyone, and welcome to another episode of the
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  Epstein Chronicles. In this episode, we're going to pick up
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  where he left off with the deposition given to the
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  OIG inspectors by co slash Lieutenant slash Captain Jermaine Darden. Question,
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  and then I'm assuming there was another administrative lieutenant, you
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  know when Epstein was discovered, and I think that was
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  a little bit after a six am correct answer. Yeah,
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  that was actually the operations lieutenant, which was redacted, Lieutenant redacted.
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  He informed me where I guess he became aware of
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  the incident. I believe at six point thirty that morning redacted? Okay,
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  So I already asked the operations lieutenant. It says the
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  Operations Lieutenant and the Activities lieutenant are responsible for day
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  to day operation and maintaining order for three shifts, and
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  an emergency preparedness lieutenant a collateral duty responsibility in the
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  event of an emergency incident such as five bombs, threats,
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  et cetera. So during these instances, was there an emergency
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  preparedness lieutenant? Answer? Yes? Question who was that answer? I
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  believe it was Lieutenant redacted? Question Lieutenant redacted? Okay, was
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  Lieutenant redacted off that day though, Answer Lieutenant redacted was.
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  I believe at that time his schedule, the Shoe lieutenants
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  were not working on the weekends. They worked Monday through Friday.
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  I believe it was seven thirty eight to four. So
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  Lieutenant redacted was on military he was on leave. He
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  had military leave because he had his monthly drill that
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  he would attend. Question do you know if he was
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  on leave both on August ninth and August tenth or
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  August tenth, you said he wouldn't have worked, But was
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  he on the ninth? Answer? Let me see here, question
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  and you can just say was he on the schedule? Answer? Yes,
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  So I mean, right here, I'm looking at the roster
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  for Friday, August ninth, and I believe that the Shoe
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  lieutenant post was left assigned for that Friday. Question all right,
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  So that would just lead us to believe that he
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  was not there. Correct answer, that's correct, He was not there.
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  No question. Great? And what his position had been like,
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  you know, was there someone that's placed in the acting
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  role when he's gone. Answer? Normally, due to our staffing
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  at MCC at that point or at that time, we
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  tried to ensure that you know, looking over the roster
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  to try to ensure that someone was within there the
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  supervising unit. But again, due to the shortage of lieutenants
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  at the time, I had to as monitoring or looking
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  at the roster, I would try to place areas of importance,
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  so operations lieutenants ensured that the activities lieutenant was filled
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  and at that time that particular day, he wasn't on
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  the roster or that post was left unassigned. Question and
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  that post, like you said, isn't assigned on the weekends.
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  Answer no question so Saturday, great answer, No, it's not.
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  Question all right? Redacted advise that his staff provides special
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  considerations for high profile inmates. It deemed appropriate and designated
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  as such. In order to ensure an inmate is providing
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  or provided with proper care. The facility evaluates the inmate
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  using several measures, including mental, physical, medical, psychological, and sexual assault,
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  victim or predator assessments. Since different inmates are admitted with
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  different criteria, appropriate housing varies. Question all right. Redacted interacted
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  with inmate Jeffrey Epstein on approximately three occasions at MCC,
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  all of which Epstein maintained a pleasant demeanor. Answer correct question.
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  During the first instance, Epstein asked redacted who he was,
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  and redacted or responded by introducing himself and explaining his
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  position at the jail. During another instance, redacted explained to
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  Epstein the policy regarding meals during attorney sessions and made
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  certain Epstein was accommodated with water, visits to the restroom, etc.
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  So did he receive and I know it's my understanding
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  that he was most days in with his attorney. Answer yeah,
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  so most days from the time that the attorney visitation
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  would open, it made Epstein was in the area primarily
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  until it closed. Question all right, And that's where it
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  says Epstein spent most of the day with his defense
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  counsel and was brought down as soon as the attorney
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  visit opened. So would that be like Monday through Friday?
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  Answer no, that he gets cut off by the guard.
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  That's seven days a week. That's seven days a week.
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  Question all right? So was it almost every day? Answer
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  every day? Question okay? And was his food brought to
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  him there? Answer? No, question okay, how would he obtain
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  his food? Answer? Now, as far as food, I know,
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  and like I said, it's been a while. Normally inmates
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  do not eat while they're on visitation. They're provided water,
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  they're provided to go to the bathroom. The mate, you know,
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  is afforded the meal. However, I believe that he was
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  offered meals from the vending machine. I'm not sure. I
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  can't remember as far as because I didn't remember. There
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  was an issue with that, and I know we tried
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  to accommodate or address it. I just can't remember what
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  was done. Question would the attorneys be allowed to bring
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  him in food? Answer? No? Question no answer, no, No
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  outside food would have been allowed. Question okay, answer, so
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  I can't tell you if he was actually getting a
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  tray during that time. I can't remember, but I do
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  remember there were conversations that and I know we did
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  something in order to ensure that the inmate was provided
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  some type of meal or whatever. I can't remember. Question sure,
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  all right, that's fine. As far as the it mentions
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  two visits, do you remember anything about the third visit
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  that you made with Epstein? Answer? The third visit, so
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  that night, that would be Friday, August ninth of twenty nineteen.
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  I believe I had worked the day close to a
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  It was eight or so. Question eight pm on August ninth,
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  answer eight pm. Correct. So I was actually on my
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  way and exited, you know, went and talked to the
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  operations and activities lieutenants, you know, let them know that
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  I was leaving for the day. And when I reached
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  the elevator on the third floor, inmate Epstein was being
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  escorted out of attorney visit by his unit manager. Question okay,
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  and who is that? Answer? Which was I believe redacted?
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  At which time I, you know, I said hello, how
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  you doing, mister Epstein? And he was like okay. So
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  we had to ask me and he said, Captain, is
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  it okay if I get a telephone call? Now? Mind you,
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  we had already discussed that when the inmate, we would
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  reasonably attempt to always facilitate a phone call for the inmate,
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  especially while being housed in special housing unit. So I
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  said to the unit manager, mister adacted. I said, mister adacted,
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  are you going to the shoe? He said yeah. I said, well,
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  are you going to be able to monitor the call
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  with the inmate? And he was like yeah, I got
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  no problem with that. I said, well, I don't have
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  a problem. Just make sure that you follow the protocols
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  and the protocol is when that inmate is allowed to
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  use the phone, that's to be monitored by staff, and
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  the number and who they're talking to has to be
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  placed on a log. Question okay. Answer, so I said,
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  make sure that that takes place. I'm good with it.
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  So that's when I got in the elevator and I
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  exited the institution. Question all right, so this conversation happened
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  with redacted in front of mister Epstein. Answer yes it did.
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  Question okay, and that's the point where okay, so did
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  you authorize that call to be made from the shoe?
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  Answer yeah. Question was there a certain line that they
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  should have used? Answer? Yeah, it's a secure line. You
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  have two lines. You know. You can plug it into
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  the outgoing and then it's the jack that's just for
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  inside of the institution calls, or you can put it
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  into the other jack, which allows those calls to be outgoing.
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  Question would that be a legal line? Answer yeah, it
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  would be just an out It would be an out
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  an outline, and they're not recorded. Answer right. Question, and
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  that's why you said make sure that it's on a
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  recorded line. Answer correct. Question did you tell him at
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  all to document what was being said? Answer. Yeah. I
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  told him to ensure that he was present that the
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  protocol is because I asked him, I said, look, I said,
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  make sure that you're present at the phone call. I said,
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  make sure that it's logged. And when you dial the numbers,
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  the number you have to like stay on the line
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  and said, he says, well, I want you to call
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  my attorney. Who is your attorney? So on and so forth. Okay,
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  when they answer the phone, I said, this is mcc
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  my name is so on and so on. I have
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  a call for Jeffrey Epstein. What is your name and
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  what is your title? So we can log it and
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  at the time that's it. It's logged. And then you
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  give the phone to the inmate and then you sit
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  there while they're on the phone. Question and do you
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  know if that was done? Answer again, I don't know.
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  I just insured that's it, Like I said, That's why
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  I asked him. I said, are you going to the
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  shoe and are you going to be able to monitor
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  the phone call? Question? But you don't know if you
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  wrote anything up? Answer, I don't know what he did.
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  Question Okay, answer. I just ensured that I told him
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  what needed to be done. Question and what would happen
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  with that log then after he logged it, answer the
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  phone call or the log question like after he documented it, answer,
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  it would be maintained just in the log. It wouldn't
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  be brought for anyone's review, you know, it would just
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  be hey, did you did Epstein get a call? Yeah?
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  I could tell you, so I could pull a book
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  and then I can tell you and look that when
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  he was given the call. Question So if it goes
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  into a specific Epstein file, answer, yeah, no, it wouldn't.
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  It doesn't go in a file. It goes into a book.
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  It goes into a book for monitored calls for all
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  the inmates and legal calls. Question for all inmates. So
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  not just Epstein he gets cut off, That is correct question.
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  It would be a green log book, you know. And
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  it would have the name of the inmate and who
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  they called, the number, the time. I don't know if
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  the duration is on there, but it will have the
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  person who also monitored the call, so you know all
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  that information. But it wasn't something like a form that
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  was filled out and then placed in the inmates file
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  or a central file. No, it wasn't like that question.
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  And do you know if that log in the book
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  was filled out. Answer, I don't know. Question, you don't know, Okay,
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  when you met with Epstein on that night? How was
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  his demeanor? Answer? It was fine. He was cheerful. You know,
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  you didn't look disheveled he felt because I asked him,
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  I said, how you doing? You all right? He said, man,
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  I'm good. Everything is fine. And I said, did you
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  have a good visit? And he said, yeah, everything's fine. Cat.
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  I said, all right, man. Question okay, answer you know.
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  Question no cause for concern? Answer no, because every time
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  we had that interaction it was always pleasant. It was
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  never negative. Question okay. It says Redacted was made aware
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  of the possibility that Epstein would be housed at MCC
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  in advance of Epstein's arrival. Redacted was not present when
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  inmate Epstein was admitted into the facility. Epstein was thoroughly
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  vetted to determine if he was fit for general population,
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  and was ultimately placed in the special housing unit. MCC
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  places inmates under three categories of close supervision, one dry
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  cell for those at risk of smuggling contraband, two psychological observation,
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  and three suicide watch. Question is all of that correct?
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  Answer yes at that time. Yes. Question okay, So who
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  made the decision to place him in the special housing
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  unit specifically and why? Answer okay. So basically, the ration
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  of replacement of the inmate in the special housing unit
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  would have been a decision ultimately made by the warden.
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  They would have took the criteria of the inmate. They
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  would have been like, okay, well, what's his risk? You know,
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  what would be the likelihood of him being endangered if
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  he would be placed in general population? His culpability? Can
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  he cope with being inside of a general housing unit?
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  So the determination was made between medical health services, Oh,
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  I'm sorry, health services, psychology and the warden. Question and
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  who was the warden at the time? Answer it was
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  mister redacted? Question and do you know how to spell
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  the last name? Answer it would be redacted question, Thank
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  you sir. Are there any other secure housing units within
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  the MCC Answer there's only one secured housing unit, that's
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  the Shoe. But however, we do have ten South and
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  ten South is for I believe those who are SAM
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  inmates and those inmates or under specialized monitoring, which comes
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  from I believe it's from the Attorney General. I believe
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  I can't remember who the person that's over it, but
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  I believe it was the Attorney General or whoever makes
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  the determination for those Sam's inmates. Question okay, and what
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  does Sam stand for? Answer? I believe I can't remember.
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  Question okay, but it's like Sam's SAMs. Answer that is correct.
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  Question okay, like an acronym though answer it's an acronym.
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  All right, folks, we're gonna wrap up right here, and
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  in the next episode dealing with the topic, we're gonna
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  pick up where we left off. All the information that
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