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The Kenny Report | 23 May · The Kenny Report

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  Speaker 1: Lone from the sky New Center.
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  Speaker 2: This is the Kenny Report.
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  Speaker 1: Thanks for joining me, the latest development on our national
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  Speaker 1: energy self harm. If you wrote this stuff up as satire,
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  Speaker 1: it'd be deemed way too far fetched. I'll catch up
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  Speaker 1: with the coalitions Ted O'Brien to find out about their
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  Speaker 1: nuclear energy alternative. Distressing new video of HMAS atrocities against
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  Speaker 1: Israel while three European states decide to recognize a state
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  Speaker 1: of Palestine. Also, why is the Albanezi government going so
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  Speaker 1: slow in honoring.
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  Speaker 3: A VC hero?
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  Speaker 1: All that plus Tim Blair, Mart Nicholson and more, Joe
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  Speaker 1: Biden magic.
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  Speaker 3: Let's get cracking. You could not make this stuff up.
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  Speaker 1: Our energy self harm the way it's driving up your
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  Speaker 1: cost of living, killing jobs, making this nation more vulnerable. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: this national energy self harm reached an entirely ridiculous, although
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  Speaker 1: entirely predictable level today. This is Australia's largest electricity generator.
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  Speaker 1: It's the Erarring plant on New South Wales central coast.
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  Speaker 3: It's owned by Origin Energy.
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  Speaker 1: Araring burns black coal from five nearby coal mines to
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  Speaker 1: generate a peak capacity of two eight hundred megawatts, providing
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  Speaker 1: more than twenty percent of all the power that's used.
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  Speaker 3: In New South Wales.
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  Speaker 1: As you know, for many years, state and federal policies
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  Speaker 1: have been aimed at forcing power stations.
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  Speaker 3: Like Ring to close.
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  Speaker 1: They want renewable energy instead intermitted, unreliable renewables. So they've
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  Speaker 1: used your money to subsidize renewables and mandate large scale
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  Speaker 1: renewable energy and boost green schemes and penalized fossil fuels,
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  Speaker 1: including with a carbon tax for a while. But as
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  Speaker 1: you know, we're now drastically short of power. So while
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  Speaker 1: Ring was going to close at the end of this year,
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  Speaker 1: the New South Wales Labor government has now intervened to
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  Speaker 1: keep it going for another two years.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: After using taxpayers money for decades to force coal out,
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  Speaker 1: the government will now risk more than two hundred million
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  Speaker 1: dollars of taxpayers money per year to keep this coal
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  Speaker 1: plant online.
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  Speaker 5: This is a good deal for taxpayers as well as
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  Speaker 5: households and businesses. This ensures that the transition to renewables
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  Speaker 5: can be delivered without exposing the people of New South
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  Speaker 5: Wales to blackouts or to price spikes.
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  Speaker 1: This is the insanity of Australia in the twenty first century.
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  Speaker 1: The utter abuse of taxpayers by governments using your money
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  Speaker 1: to subsidize subsidize coal out of the energy grid and
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  Speaker 1: using your money to subsidize coal.
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  Speaker 3: Back into the grid. It's as obscene as it is.
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  Speaker 1: So when the Greens see something this crazy, they just say,
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  Speaker 1: hold my beer.
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  Speaker 6: This isn't labor keeping the lights on. This is labor
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  Speaker 6: making the floods and fires worse. This will slow down
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  Speaker 6: the transition to renewables, and it is unjustifiable to use
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  Speaker 6: public funds to prop up coal.
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  Speaker 3: When do you start with that? Hey, the Greens would
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  Speaker 3: rather we run out of power.
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  Speaker 1: This bloke wants you left in the dark and in
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  Speaker 1: the cold and to boot. He pretends that a runring
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  Speaker 1: will generate natural disasters, a complete nonsense, given Australia is
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  Speaker 1: one percent of global emissions and we're reducing ours while
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  Speaker 1: global emissions are actually rising, and given there is no
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  Speaker 1: evidence actually linking a single natural disaster to climate change.
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  Speaker 1: I guess the rantings of the Greens makes the rest
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  Speaker 1: of the lunatics seem a little more sane, but barely,
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  Speaker 1: because in New South Wales the previous coalition government was
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  Speaker 1: as crazy green as any government, and back more than
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  Speaker 1: two years.
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  Speaker 3: Ago when we were warning them about where this was
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  Speaker 3: all heading. They told us it was all okay.
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  Speaker 1: In fact, they said the lights would stay on and
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  Speaker 1: prices would go down.
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  Speaker 7: We've got a plan to do that. We've got a
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  Speaker 7: mechanism to do that. I'm confident.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, but your plan not only keep the.
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  Speaker 7: Lights on, but will put downward pressure on prices.
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  Speaker 1: Your plans has just been thrown into up evil because
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  Speaker 1: the largest qualified generator supplying twenty percent of New South
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  Speaker 1: Wales electricity has just said is dumping out. What can
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  Speaker 1: you say to guarantee not just the people of New
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  Speaker 1: South Wales but everyone on the East Coast that the
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  Speaker 1: national energy grid will have enough dispatchable supply in ten
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  Speaker 1: years time and what will happen to prices in the meantime.
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  Speaker 7: Well, I can say that AEMO, the independent system Operator,
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  Speaker 7: the engineers that run the electricity system across the East Coast,
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  Speaker 7: have said that our plan will ensure that we keep
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  Speaker 7: lights on, will guarantee supply even with the closure of ARAI.
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  Speaker 7: So our plan is a tested one by the engineers
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  Speaker 7: who run the system.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, forgive my skepticism, Hey, forgive me for questioning
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  Speaker 1: these charlatans. Yeah, all those politicians and a EMO the
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  Speaker 1: market operator, and those a EMO engineers, they were all
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  Speaker 1: telling us it was okay. They said, we wouldn't need
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  Speaker 1: a ar ring. What would a technological clutch like me know,
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  Speaker 1: It's always been so plain, so inevitable, like a slow
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  Speaker 1: motion train wreck. Now I'll tell you a couple of
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  Speaker 1: other things. Then, these are the same fools who keep
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  Speaker 1: telling us now that this world first, unprecedented experiment of
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  Speaker 1: switching a whole developed economy to renewables plus storage can work.
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  Speaker 4: The market is speaking, and the market tells us that
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  Speaker 4: their cheapest form of new energy is renewables.
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  Speaker 8: So we'll continue with the task at hand, that is
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  Speaker 8: getting more renewables into the system, which is the cheapest
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  Speaker 8: form of energy available.
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  Speaker 3: Be afraid, be very afraid. The plain facts are these.
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  Speaker 1: The more renewables we have put in, the more unreliable
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  Speaker 1: our energy grid has become, and the higher our energy
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  Speaker 1: prices have soared. That is incontestable. And the government's only
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  Speaker 1: plan is to do more of the same.
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  Speaker 3: So I'm going to make two more predictions.
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  Speaker 1: Labour's now risking hundreds of millions of dollars of your
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  Speaker 1: money to extend the life of the Araurring power station
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  Speaker 1: by two years. I predict that in two years time
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  Speaker 1: there will be another desperate effort by government to shovel
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  Speaker 1: more money to our Origin Energy to stop this plant closing
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  Speaker 1: in twenty twenty seven, and I predict that at that
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  Speaker 1: time you will be paying even more for your power
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  Speaker 1: than you're paying now. Now, you can believe me, or
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  Speaker 1: you can believe the politicians and the so called energy experts.
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  Speaker 3: I've got to tell you. I've got to tell you
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  Speaker 3: without any false.
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  Speaker 1: More, my record is much better than theirs. I want
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  Speaker 1: to talk about the latest developments when it comes to
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  Speaker 1: the Hummus Israel war, and I need to warn you
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  Speaker 1: that I'll show you some distressing footage. What you're about
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  Speaker 1: to see has just been released by Israel, with the
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  Speaker 1: blessing of the families involved. It's go pro footage from
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  Speaker 1: Hummus terrorists after they overran an Israeli Defense Force or
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  Speaker 1: IDF sentinel post in southern Israel on October the seventh
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  Speaker 1: last year. The young women you were seeing are Israeli soldiers.
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  Speaker 1: All young Israelis do compulsory military service, of course, and
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  Speaker 1: young women are often posted to surveillance posts Israel reports
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  Speaker 1: that about sixty soldiers were killed at this outpost, and
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  Speaker 1: five of these young women were taken hostage. Now watch
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  Speaker 1: see the terror and hear what the terrorists discuss with
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  Speaker 1: the translation provided by the ide futiful. Yeah, it's just sickening.
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  Speaker 1: This footage, of course, is eight months old. On October
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  Speaker 1: the seventh, these young women were taken by Hummas to Gaza.
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  Speaker 1: These women are still held by Hummas. We don't know
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  Speaker 1: whether they're alive or they're dead, or what they've endured.
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  Speaker 1: It's important to remind the world of these horrors because
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  Speaker 1: so many people from the International Criminal Court down are
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  Speaker 1: trying to draw some sort of sick moral equivalents between
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  Speaker 1: the atrocities of Hummus terrorists and the efforts by Israel
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  Speaker 1: to defeat them. I mean, listen to the co chair
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  Speaker 1: of the Australian Republican Movement, Craig Foster.
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  Speaker 9: That's what I was pleased about the arrest warrants because
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  Speaker 9: what Hamas did on October seven is against international law,
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  Speaker 9: so therefore it's a war crime and they should be
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  Speaker 9: absolutely accountable for that. But so should net Niyahu government
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  Speaker 9: for what they've done, since.
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  Speaker 1: Really Israel should just accept this slaughter and give up
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  Speaker 1: on its hostages.
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  Speaker 3: Should it?
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  Speaker 1: Israel should let these savage terrorists get away with slaughtering
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  Speaker 1: twelve hundred innocent people and taking two hundred and fifty
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  Speaker 1: hostages and not wage a war against them, and what then?
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  Speaker 1: Just wait for the next attack. This stuff is repugnant
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  Speaker 1: and it's inconceivably.
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  Speaker 3: Naive and ignorant.
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  Speaker 1: People like Foster pretend that Israel's out to hurt Palestinian
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  Speaker 1: civilians when the war drags on for eight months, precisely
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  Speaker 1: because Israel is trying to avoid civilians as it targets
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  Speaker 1: the terrorists deliberately.
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  Speaker 3: Hiding among them.
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  Speaker 1: I said last night that Foster should have resigned from
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  Speaker 1: the Republican movement, and thankfully that's what he's now done.
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  Speaker 1: But let's talk about the nations of Ireland, Spain and Norway.
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  Speaker 1: These countries yesterday offered to offer a revolting response to
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  Speaker 1: the atroses of October the seventh. They've rewarded hummus.
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  Speaker 10: Today, Ireland, Norway and Spain are a name thing that
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  Speaker 10: we recognize the state of Palestine. Each of us will
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  Speaker 10: now undertake whatever national steps are necessary to give effect
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  Speaker 10: to that decision.
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  Speaker 1: Really, a country called Palestine that's never existed before is
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  Speaker 1: suddenly recognized. Where are its borders? Does it include Gaza
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  Speaker 1: or just.
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  Speaker 3: The West Bank? Who leads it?
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  Speaker 1: The unelected thugs of the Palestinian authority or the terrorist
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  Speaker 1: leadership of Hummas? Will they have elections? Will they renounce terrorism?
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  Speaker 1: Will they recognize the existence of Israel? What an absurdity
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  Speaker 1: it is to recognize an imaginary state of Palestine. Imagine
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  Speaker 1: if the international community stopped this nonsense and instead put
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  Speaker 1: its efforts into eliminating Hummas and freeing the remaining hostages,
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  Speaker 1: then the civilians of Gaza might see some peace.
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  Speaker 3: Look just on this Middle East.
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  Speaker 1: In Broglio, the Prime Minister finally bobbed up late this
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  Speaker 1: afternoon after going awol yesterday, and have a listen to
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  Speaker 1: his feeble attempt to explain why he had nothing to
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  Speaker 1: say about the push for international criminal court arrest warrants
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  Speaker 1: against the Israeli Prime Minister and Defense Minister.
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  Speaker 4: I got asked a question, yes say, I didn't get asked.
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  Speaker 4: I got asked an obtuse question yesterday or the day before,
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  Speaker 4: and today I'll make this point that there is no
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  Speaker 4: because I assume you're referring to the ICC, which actually
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  Speaker 4: was signed up to, of course not by my government,
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  Speaker 4: but by the Howard government when Alexander Downer was the
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  Speaker 4: Foreign Minister. So it's up to them, I think, to
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  Speaker 4: explain those decisions at that time.
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  Speaker 3: Really, what.
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  Speaker 1: You know what this means, don't you? Honestly, Albo? You
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  Speaker 1: are the Prime Minister. The Q is in the title
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  Speaker 1: It's time to lead.
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  Speaker 4: Now.
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  Speaker 1: It was only a couple of weeks ago on this
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  Speaker 1: program we were talking about a possible early election, a
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  Speaker 1: summer election in the UK, and overnight that's exactly what
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  Speaker 1: we got, with Rishie Sunat calling a poll for the
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  Speaker 1: first week of July. With the Conservatives trailing terribly in
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  Speaker 1: the polls. It looks like being an inevitable switch to
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  Speaker 1: labor and a damp squib of an.
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  Speaker 3: Election, which is what it looked like too.
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  Speaker 1: Is the London weather reigned on the Prime Minister's Downing
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  Speaker 1: Street announcement.
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  Speaker 11: Earlier today, I spoke with His Majesty the King to
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  Speaker 11: request the dissolution of Parliament. The King has granted this
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  Speaker 11: request and we will have a general election on the
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  Speaker 11: fourth of July.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's pretty dismal, wasn't it.
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  Speaker 1: And a protest was blaring out the nineties hit things
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  Speaker 1: can Only Get Better, which has been used in the
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  Speaker 1: past as.
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  Speaker 3: A labor campaign song.
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  Speaker 1: All or rather desultry affair as the PM's surprise move
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  Speaker 1: got off to a pretty dreary start.
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  Speaker 11: We'll deliver a secure future for you, your family and our
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  Speaker 11: United Kingdom.
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  Speaker 3: It's London.
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  Speaker 1: Wouldn't someone carry an umbrella for the bloke? You've got
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  Speaker 1: to wonder why Sunac would go now, though, given he
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  Speaker 1: can easily wait till early next year to have this election.
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  Speaker 1: A couple of weeks ago we floated one theory and
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  Speaker 1: Richie Snack can go any time till January next year,
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  Speaker 1: but there's a bit of speculation he might go early.
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  Speaker 1: How seriously are people taking that that he might go
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  Speaker 1: to the polls in Juneral July?
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  Speaker 12: And so the argument goes that if the Conservatives do
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  Speaker 12: particularly badly in this election, and particularly lose those key mayoralties,
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  Speaker 12: then there'll be a push on within the party to
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  Speaker 12: get rid of Richie's Sunac, and instead of him having
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  Speaker 12: to face that push in the party, he'll just call
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  Speaker 12: an election.
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  Speaker 13: That's the theory.
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  Speaker 3: Well, yes, it was a theory.
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  Speaker 1: Alexander Downer wasn't really into it then, and even today
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  Speaker 1: he's told me he thinks it's more about the economy,
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  Speaker 1: with Snak seizing some welcome inflation news, but Downder doesn't
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  Speaker 1: think it'll do him much good.
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  Speaker 12: Such a shot to call the election six months before
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  Speaker 12: he has to, and to announce it in the reign
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  Speaker 12: and the way he did as just an encouraged ridicule,
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  Speaker 12: I'm afraid.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it was a pretty inauspicious start, all right. I'll
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  Speaker 1: have more from Alexander Downer later in the program. Now
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  Speaker 1: we're joined by a liberal MP, Zoe Mackenzie, joining us
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  Speaker 1: life from Melbourne.
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  Speaker 3: Good to talk to you, Zoe.
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  Speaker 1: The Prime Minister late today has tried to clear up
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  Speaker 1: whatever his position is on the Israel and the International
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  Speaker 1: Criminal Court.
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  Speaker 3: Are you clear about where Australia stands?
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  Speaker 13: No.
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  Speaker 14: I thought his comments today were ridiculous to throw back
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  Speaker 14: to the Howard government and say that's when we joined
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  Speaker 14: up to the ICC. You and I both know Chriz,
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  Speaker 14: having beat in that Foreign Affairs and Trade portfolio before,
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  Speaker 14: you constantly have a critical eye on those multinational bodies
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  Speaker 14: and what they are doing and if they are still
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  Speaker 14: serving Australia's needs. This was an extraordinary move by the ICC,
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  Speaker 14: and one that we are quite capable of criticizing together
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  Speaker 14: with our major ally, the US, which has found the
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  Speaker 14: move to take out warrants against both Hamas and Israel
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  Speaker 14: simultaneously utterly bizarre and deeply lacking in moral clarity, which
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  Speaker 14: is what the Prime Minister's response has also lacked.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Indeed, because this is a recommendation by a prosecutor to
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  Speaker 1: the court, we don't want the court to follow up
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  Speaker 1: on his recommendation. So Australia should be out there arguing
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  Speaker 1: the case actually as to why the court shouldn't follow
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  Speaker 1: through on this. The Prime Minister should be saying something
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  Speaker 1: like Peter Dutton's been saying.
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  Speaker 3: Here is.
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  Speaker 15: And I think Australian's a good faith the worlded as
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  Speaker 15: well that their Prime Minister doesn't have the ability or
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  Speaker 15: the wit to be able to stand up for what
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  Speaker 15: is in our country's best interests and to stand shoulder
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  Speaker 15: to shoulder with our allies, including the United States, to
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  Speaker 15: condemn an obvious anti Semitic act by the ICC.
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  Speaker 3: The ICC should reverse.
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  Speaker 15: Their decision and the Prime Minister should come out today
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  Speaker 15: to call for that instead of continuing to remain in
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  Speaker 15: hiding or continuing to dig a deep hole for himself.
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  Speaker 3: This is the trouble, Zoe.
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  Speaker 1: The key thing is Australia should be calling for a
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  Speaker 1: reversal of this decision not to follow through on Kahn's recommendation.
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  Speaker 1: But it seems to me that Albneazi, from his muffled
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  Speaker 1: statements and some other bits we've seen.
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  Speaker 3: Penny Wong and others, that.
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  Speaker 1: They essentially just want to allow the ICC to do
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  Speaker 1: whatever it likes here and express no view about this
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  Speaker 1: moral equivalence.
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  Speaker 14: Really quite right, it's this extraordinary walking both sides of
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  Speaker 14: the street. I had two Jewish constituents come and see
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  Speaker 14: me yesterday. They are bereft. They cannot understand why they
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  Speaker 14: have had no support, no real visible support from the
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  Speaker 14: Prime Minister, from his ministry. There've been a couple of
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  Speaker 14: statements here and there about anti Semitism, but nothing meaningful.
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  Speaker 14: No one stood up at the rally on Sunday, which
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  Speaker 14: by all accounts was a really extraordinary demonstration of commitment
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  Speaker 14: to peace but equally a condemnation of anti Semitism. So
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  Speaker 14: they are really looking for leadership. And these are people
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  Speaker 14: who may well have been of a leftist persuasion of
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  Speaker 14: the past, thinking where did we go wrong? We've been
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  Speaker 14: here for seven eight generations as Australians and our Prime
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  Speaker 14: Minister has nothing to say in our defense when we've
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  Speaker 14: seen over a seven hundred percent increase in anti Semitic
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  Speaker 14: acts across the country.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, it is a terrible situation.
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  Speaker 1: I want to get you on border protection as well,
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  Speaker 1: because there's ongoing controversy of course about immigration detainees out
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  Speaker 1: in the loose, the government's inability to keep get any
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  Speaker 1: of them back into custody or even opposed bail for others.
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  Speaker 1: Then there's been another immigration detainee who was released a
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  Speaker 1: lot earlier but is now facing murder charges. Of course,
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  Speaker 1: as you know, the Immigration Minister, Andrew Giles has often
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  Speaker 1: gone missing in action, but he stood up at events
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  Speaker 1: in Bendigo in Victoria today, so there was a chance
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  Speaker 1: at least to get some cameras out there and hear
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  Speaker 1: what he's got to say on this.
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  Speaker 3: He's the Immigration Minister.
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  Speaker 16: Well, I'm determined to keep working hard in response to
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  Speaker 16: firstly the matters that relate to the High Court decision
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  Speaker 16: last year, to ensure that we continue to put in
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  Speaker 16: place all of those mechanisms, strong laws, and very significant
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  Speaker 16: resourcing a quarter of a billion dollars to ensure that
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  Speaker 16: our trusted law enforcement officials can do their job to
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  Speaker 16: keep the community safe.
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  Speaker 3: That is my focus and it will continue.
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  Speaker 1: So he's going to keep working hard to keep an
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  Speaker 1: eye on all this stuff, and what on earth has
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  Speaker 1: he been doing. There is no sign at all that
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  Speaker 1: he is on top of his job.
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  Speaker 16: Griz.
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  Speaker 14: I know I meant to come in here and be
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  Speaker 14: a hard edged politician, but every time I watch Andrew Now,
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  Speaker 14: my heart kind of falters for him. Every day another disaster,
• 20:15
  Speaker 14: another chaos. I literally need to check Twitter for the
• 20:18
  Speaker 14: five minutes before I come and speak to you, because literally,
• 20:20
  Speaker 14: every afternoon I come and speak to you, there's something
• 20:23
  Speaker 14: else that's gone wrong. Somebody's been charged for something, somebody's
• 20:26
  Speaker 14: tampered with their monitoring device. Somebody has been led out.
• 20:29
  Speaker 14: You shouldn't have been loud out. Somebody's misinterpreted and instruction
• 20:31
  Speaker 14: to the AAT. It is chaos. It is time to
• 20:36
  Speaker 14: move on. It is time to change the approach. It
• 20:39
  Speaker 14: is time to be tougher on this situation. We're constantly
• 20:42
  Speaker 14: being told these people are being monitored all the time,
• 20:44
  Speaker 14: and yet offense after offense is alleged to have been
• 20:47
  Speaker 14: committed by the same group. This is abject chaos and
• 20:51
  Speaker 14: it's time for the Prime Minister to act.
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: Yeah, the country needs a new minister. Nothing is clearer
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: than that. Thanks for joining us, Zoe. I appreciate that,
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: Zoe McKenzie. They're joining us live from Melbourne. Andrew Jogi
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: can just see it. He's cut no stomach for this.
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: This is not a man who can take the tough decisions.
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: They need a new immigration minister to get on top
• 21:08
  Speaker 1: of this for the sake of our borders and most importantly,
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: for the sake of community safety. Now we're going to
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: go to a break on the other side of catch
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: up with Tim Blair and Martin Nicholson. The Republican movement
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: now leaderless after Craig Foster has followed Nova Peris out
• 21:22
  Speaker 1: the Door. Plus Sleepy Joe's latest words of wisdom. You
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: can't wait to share these with you.
• 21:33
  Speaker 13: Now.
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: There are concerns in the veterans community over Defense Minister
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: Richard Miles delaying a decision to act on a recommendation
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: to posthumously award a Victoria Cross to private Richard Leslie
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: Norden for pre eminent acts of valor and self sacrifice
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: during the nineteen sixty eight Battle of fire Support based Coral.
• 21:54
  Speaker 3: According to the.
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: Defense Honors Tribunal, Private Richard Nordon asked for covering fire
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: and dashed forward under heavy enemy fire to the wounded
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: Section commander, killing one enemy on the way. Having expended
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: his own ammunition, he grabbed the automatic weapon of the
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: dead Viet Cong soldier and fought off other enemies as
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: he assisted the Section commander back to the section. Just
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: remarkable stuff, but that recommendation for a posthumous Victoria Cross
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: has been sitting on the Minister's desk for nearly two years. Now,
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: let me bring in Martin Hamilton Smith, a veteran and
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: chair of the Australian Special Air Services Association.
• 22:32
  Speaker 3: Thanks for joining us, Martin.
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: I want to get first up without Chris any other issues.
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: What do you believe is behind the delay in this
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: VC being awarded?
• 22:45
  Speaker 8: Well, who's to know, Chris. Two years is a very
• 22:48
  Speaker 8: long time. Private Nordon's bravery was extraordinary. His comrades have
• 22:53
  Speaker 8: put together an application for his award of a VC.
• 22:57
  Speaker 8: You'd hope that a decision would be able to be
• 23:00
  Speaker 8: made by now, so who knows what's going on in
• 23:03
  Speaker 8: the minister's office. But I think the sooner they get
• 23:05
  Speaker 8: on with it, the better.
• 23:06
  Speaker 3: It becomes very important bravery. It's very important for.
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: Other veterans and for family and the people who might
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: be getting to the end of their life. They want
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: to see this awarded because it gives them some closure
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: and something to really savor about.
• 23:20
  Speaker 3: Private Nordon.
• 23:23
  Speaker 8: Well, that's right, Chris. There was a quota system in Vietnam,
• 23:27
  Speaker 8: believe it or not, where you could only award a
• 23:30
  Speaker 8: certain number of awards, regardless of the bravery on show.
• 23:34
  Speaker 8: So soldiers he should have received certain awards, just didn't
• 23:38
  Speaker 8: get them because the quota had run out for that
• 23:40
  Speaker 8: year or for that month. I know this is hard
• 23:43
  Speaker 8: to believe for Australiane, believe that's how the system works
• 23:46
  Speaker 8: after the war. Now those proposals to make awards have
• 23:51
  Speaker 8: been revisited quite rightly, and government should get on with
• 23:54
  Speaker 8: making a decision on each and every case. I'm aware
• 23:56
  Speaker 8: there are some others, and they should get on with
• 23:59
  Speaker 8: it because the heroism like this needs to be recognized.
• 24:02
  Speaker 8: These people gave up their lives for us and it's
• 24:06
  Speaker 8: very important to recognize their bravery.
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: Now, I've spoken to you before about the shadow hanging
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: over so many veterans of Afghanistan, especially in the Special
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: Air Services. In other words, because of these war crime allegations,
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: the way they've been handled through the Brereton Report, etc.
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: And also by this threat hanging over them from Defense
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: hierarchy to strip service medals and recognition for service in Afghanistan.
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: There is speculation that maybe the VC is being held
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: up so that whenever Defense announces this bad news regarding
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: the stripping awards, effectively, they might.
• 24:40
  Speaker 3: Also announce the VC. Do you place any store in
• 24:44
  Speaker 3: that concern.
• 24:47
  Speaker 8: Look, it seems to me to be speculation. Look, I
• 24:51
  Speaker 8: cannot believe that any politician, any minister, would be politically
• 24:57
  Speaker 8: stupid enough to try to strip brave and courageous young
• 25:03
  Speaker 8: officers of their awards over allegations that haven't even yet
• 25:09
  Speaker 8: gone to court to establish whether they're true or not,
• 25:12
  Speaker 8: whether they're any unlawful truthing killings in Afghanistan. There's no evidence,
• 25:17
  Speaker 8: there's no convictions, one soldier's been charged. I think it
• 25:21
  Speaker 8: would be very wise to wait until you know the
• 25:22
  Speaker 8: facts and know the truth, and these matters have been
• 25:24
  Speaker 8: to court before you start punishing people by trying to
• 25:27
  Speaker 8: take the awards away. I mean, look, if a minister
• 25:29
  Speaker 8: does this, it will start World War three, chreas. I
• 25:33
  Speaker 8: can tell you right now every RSL sub branch in
• 25:37
  Speaker 8: every electorate and every veterans family from North Queensland, of
• 25:41
  Speaker 8: the far reaches of Wa in a city of Sydney
• 25:45
  Speaker 8: and Melbourne, it will be an uproar. So, I mean,
• 25:51
  Speaker 8: it would be the award for political stupidity to try
• 25:55
  Speaker 8: and take those awards away. I mean it would be
• 25:58
  Speaker 8: the first time it's ever been done. One Brereton, in
• 26:01
  Speaker 8: his report, pointed to unlawful killings of germ and prisoners
• 26:06
  Speaker 8: in World War One. There weren't many prisoners taken, Japanese
• 26:10
  Speaker 8: prisoners taken in Kakata, Chris, what are we going to do?
• 26:14
  Speaker 8: Go back to World War One and World War Two
• 26:16
  Speaker 8: and start stripping people's awards away. If this sort of
• 26:18
  Speaker 8: a process had been applied when the men came home
• 26:21
  Speaker 8: from World War One or World War Two, there would
• 26:23
  Speaker 8: have been a national outrage. So to start this it
• 26:27
  Speaker 8: would just be political stupidity.
• 26:29
  Speaker 3: And well said of the first order. Yeah, well said
• 26:33
  Speaker 3: Martin Hammel of Smith, thanks for joining us.
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: Let's hope for the defense hierarchy and the Defense Minister
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: Richard Miles is listening because this should not happen. Now
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: let's go to our regular panel of a Thursday. Tim
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: Blair from the Daily Telegrapher, Mark Nicholson from step Make Studio.
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: It's great to talk to both of you at this stage.
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: I'll catch up beyond the big screen in just a moment,
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: but first up, you must be both very very concerned
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: that we don't really have any leadership at the Australian
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: Republican movement at the moment. They want to president the Republicans,
• 27:03
  Speaker 1: but then they had co chairs. Now they've got no chairs. Mark,
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: we've lost both Nover Paris and Craig Foster.
• 27:11
  Speaker 17: That's right, Chris, Yeah, we've got Craig Foster off their
• 27:15
  Speaker 17: drinking champagne with pirate Pete now talking about socialism. It's
• 27:18
  Speaker 17: a sad thing, sad day for the arm But I've
• 27:21
  Speaker 17: got to say Nover Paris, what an argument she made
• 27:24
  Speaker 17: for having an independent Australian head of state. Like I'm
• 27:29
  Speaker 17: not not much of a republic guy, but when you've
• 27:33
  Speaker 17: got a gutless government, who's just unwilling to say what
• 27:37
  Speaker 17: they truly believe, stand up for what they believe.
• 27:41
  Speaker 3: She made a really good.
• 27:41
  Speaker 17: Argument for having a head of state who's not going
• 27:44
  Speaker 17: to be beholden to a small number of electorates and
• 27:48
  Speaker 17: he's going to be willing to stand up and say
• 27:50
  Speaker 17: what they truly believe. So yeah, good on her.
• 27:53
  Speaker 3: Yeah she was talking some sense.
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: But Tim, if they're trying to promote a governance model,
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: this is perhaps not the way to do it. They're
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: completely rudderless at the moment.
• 28:05
  Speaker 18: Well, we all remember what happened in two thousand during
• 28:07
  Speaker 18: the big Republican referendum. The Republican movement split into two cats.
• 28:12
  Speaker 18: This time they've they've gone a little early, they haven't
• 28:15
  Speaker 18: even waited for a vote, and they've got to a
• 28:17
  Speaker 18: total leadership spell. But I'll tell you what, Chris, with this,
• 28:20
  Speaker 18: with this, with this gap of leadership, with this, with this,
• 28:23
  Speaker 18: you warning golf of leadership and the Republican issue. Am
• 28:26
  Speaker 18: I am I hearing any whispers about a certain Chris
• 28:29
  Speaker 18: Kenny nominating himself for Republican leadership?
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: I could I could be the new president of the
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: Australian Republican Movement.
• 28:37
  Speaker 18: Borrow a unity I could.
• 28:39
  Speaker 3: Borrow the Pirates the Pirates red bandana. That'd be perfect.
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: Would I get to move into it? Move into his
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: Harveside mansion as well?
• 28:48
  Speaker 3: I wonder. See, you're very mischievous, you know, from me
• 28:54
  Speaker 3: through a year of the Voice, and now you want
• 28:56
  Speaker 3: to send me out with this one.
• 28:57
  Speaker 18: Now you keep leaving the door wide happened, And I'm
• 29:04
  Speaker 18: sure you could take the step down in social class
• 29:06
  Speaker 18: and move into Piratepeede Joint.
• 29:08
  Speaker 17: Yeah.
• 29:08
  Speaker 18: I know it'd be tough for you to moving into
• 29:09
  Speaker 18: the current Kenny mansion, but do it for the movement,
• 29:12
  Speaker 18: my friend, for the movement.
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: Now, I want to stay on media matters actually, because
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: on the serious end of this, there was some understandable
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: criticism of the ABC over there appalling coverage of those
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: terrible stabbings at Bondi Junction some weeks ago. They just
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: couldn't get cameras there. They don't have any journalists and cameras.
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: They can't cover hard news. But now you have a
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: look where all the money's going. This is the Digital
• 29:37
  Speaker 1: Story Innovation team. They're getting the stories on whether people
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: are wearing mullets in the AFL, and this story tells
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: us that the ABC analyzed the head shots and hairstyles
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: of all AFL players in the twenty twenty four season
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: in search of some answers. I mean, this is extreme now,
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: like me, Marca, I can tell from the look you've
• 29:59
  Speaker 1: got now that like me, you probably had a mullet
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: way back in the day. But this is hardly an
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: appropriate use of the ABC's meager resources.
• 30:09
  Speaker 17: No, it's definitely not, and I remember you know it's
• 30:13
  Speaker 17: It's probably the most objective, unbiased piece that I've seen
• 30:16
  Speaker 17: from the ABC in a long time, to be fair,
• 30:18
  Speaker 17: but I was pretty triggered when I saw this today
• 30:20
  Speaker 17: because you know, it was a dreamline playing AFL footy,
• 30:23
  Speaker 17: and first I had to come to terms the fact
• 30:26
  Speaker 17: that I'm not fit, tall, fast, or talented enough. And
• 30:29
  Speaker 17: now now I learned that I don't have the hair
• 30:31
  Speaker 17: for it. I'm spilling.
• 30:33
  Speaker 3: I was triggered. I should have thought about my feelings
• 30:35
  Speaker 3: the a I had the mullet.
• 30:37
  Speaker 1: It was just the rest of it that was lucky
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: in my footy career. Tim, You've kind of got the
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: front mullet if you like, with the beers.
• 30:44
  Speaker 3: But Mark Rais is a good point and that the
• 30:48
  Speaker 3: ABC just focused on the haircut.
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: At least they weren't saying, you know, or anyone wearing
• 30:52
  Speaker 1: a mullet is a far right extremist.
• 30:54
  Speaker 18: Well, yeah, the best They could have also made the
• 30:56
  Speaker 18: point that the mullet. I can't remember the name of
• 30:58
  Speaker 18: the comedian in the US who had mullet, but he
• 31:01
  Speaker 18: defines it as a UNISEXIR style. So it's kind of
• 31:04
  Speaker 18: really good. It comes all the bases, but it is.
• 31:07
  Speaker 18: This is an example of you can see how this
• 31:09
  Speaker 18: story would have come about. This is a pub chat
• 31:11
  Speaker 18: about mullets in the AFL. That's that they've they've decided
• 31:15
  Speaker 18: to throw some money at and the concept is not
• 31:18
  Speaker 18: too bad. I mean, you know people that we're talking
• 31:19
  Speaker 18: about it because it's a interesting, funny little thing. But
• 31:22
  Speaker 18: they've gone so ABC on it. They've gone so deep,
• 31:25
  Speaker 18: they've spent so much money and time on it that
• 31:28
  Speaker 18: they've even broken down the number of mullets by position
• 31:32
  Speaker 18: on the field. The joke dies at that point. They've
• 31:38
  Speaker 18: just gone too deep, too far, too long. Like mullets
• 31:41
  Speaker 18: and cells, this needs to be cut, needs to be edited.
• 31:44
  Speaker 3: I'd like them to do a piece that measures the
• 31:47
  Speaker 3: number of.
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: People wearing black shirts at the ABC as opposed to
• 31:51
  Speaker 1: the wider community. I think that would be very very instructive.
• 31:54
  Speaker 1: The levely, the lefties loved to dress in black. I've noticed,
• 31:57
  Speaker 1: just my theory. I love to see the ABC do
• 31:59
  Speaker 1: the actual research on that. Now we're talking before Tim
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: about Pirate Peet the mansion, and he's.
• 32:05
  Speaker 3: Just a humble, working class guy. I used to play
• 32:07
  Speaker 3: some kind of rugby or something.
• 32:08
  Speaker 1: I think I have a listener to Kate Blanchette. She
• 32:10
  Speaker 1: doesn't think she's.
• 32:11
  Speaker 3: Very rich at all.
• 32:13
  Speaker 14: I mean, I'm I'm white and privileged and middle class,
• 32:17
  Speaker 14: and I think, you know, one can be accused of
• 32:19
  Speaker 14: having a bit of a white savior complex.
• 32:22
  Speaker 3: Okay, fan Hit is middle class, apparently.
• 32:25
  Speaker 18: Tim Okay, well, who works up around the two hundred
• 32:29
  Speaker 18: million mark, that's now the middle Okay, So if working
• 32:35
  Speaker 18: class is like sub ten million dollars, is that how
• 32:40
  Speaker 18: we're now breaking it down? Is that how we do
• 32:42
  Speaker 18: like Kate may have begun life as middle class. I mean,
• 32:47
  Speaker 18: she went to Melbourne University and so I'm not too
• 32:49
  Speaker 18: far away from a certain excellent cartooning studio, but I
• 32:53
  Speaker 18: don't think middle has been her sort of financial status
• 32:56
  Speaker 18: for a very, very very long class. But it is
• 32:58
  Speaker 18: interesting everyone thinks in middle everyone would always put themselves
• 33:01
  Speaker 18: somewhere in the center politically and financially. No one wants
• 33:04
  Speaker 18: to admit to being too too rich. You know, no
• 33:06
  Speaker 18: one's going to put the head up and say, God,
• 33:09
  Speaker 18: I'm accessibly upper class.
• 33:12
  Speaker 1: But mark when I when I pictured middle Australia, and
• 33:14
  Speaker 1: I'm still thinking of a quarter acre block and a
• 33:17
  Speaker 1: lawnmarer and a couple of kids. But apparently it's it's
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: a yacht in the river era and strolling the red
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: carpet of the Oscars.
• 33:25
  Speaker 17: Yeah, she's got classest for you. She's not well, she's struggling.
• 33:31
  Speaker 17: She's identifying his middle class guys.
• 33:33
  Speaker 1: Please someone who prescribes, someone who prescribes some wealth blockers
• 33:37
  Speaker 1: for her.
• 33:38
  Speaker 3: Now, I can't.
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: Leave our chat today without giving the latest update on
• 33:44
  Speaker 1: the on the President Joe Biden. And I was just
• 33:46
  Speaker 1: taken by the way he summed up one of his
• 33:48
  Speaker 1: speaking engagements this week and well it was a stunning smary,
• 33:52
  Speaker 1: a great climax.
• 33:53
  Speaker 3: To his speech. His speech. Let's let's have a look
• 33:55
  Speaker 3: at it.
• 33:57
  Speaker 19: After I signed the pack and pack at like into law,
• 34:01
  Speaker 19: I handed the pen that I said that was a
• 34:04
  Speaker 19: fishing the most personalst responsible for the legio station.
• 34:08
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Mark, I just decipher that one for us. Well,
• 34:11
  Speaker 1: he signed an ol Packer into law or wasn't.
• 34:15
  Speaker 17: Mate these I can actually kind of relate to that.
• 34:19
  Speaker 3: That's what I'm like.
• 34:20
  Speaker 17: After maybe three or four beers, I'm not well, I'm
• 34:22
  Speaker 17: thinking potatoes, but I'm spitting out mash.
• 34:28
  Speaker 1: Tim, Now you might know what he was trying to
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: speak about, being such a student of US politics. Do
• 34:34
  Speaker 1: you really believe he's got to front up for a
• 34:35
  Speaker 1: debate next month?
• 34:37
  Speaker 18: Well, as long as the debates kept onto topics about
• 34:41
  Speaker 18: which Joe Biden's an expert, as long as he's talking
• 34:43
  Speaker 18: about pack Kackernacker's, we are in for an absolute deestimation
• 34:48
  Speaker 18: of President Trump. He won't be able to keep up
• 34:51
  Speaker 18: on the complicated pack of cuckernacker issues. Perhaps is he
• 34:56
  Speaker 18: referencing some kind of Native American tribe that used to
• 34:59
  Speaker 18: occupy No, he does get caught up in the words
• 35:03
  Speaker 18: and yeah, roll on. I think aren't we scheduled for
• 35:06
  Speaker 18: two debates? That might be too too many for him
• 35:08
  Speaker 18: For the.
• 35:08
  Speaker 1: Current president, it might be I would give anything just
• 35:11
  Speaker 1: for one. I don't think that will happen, but I'll
• 35:13
  Speaker 1: turn up and tune in, that's for sure. Thanks for
• 35:15
  Speaker 1: joining us, guys, We'll catch you next week. Mark Nicholson
• 35:17
  Speaker 1: and Tim Blair. Mark Nicholson from step Mate Studios see
• 35:20
  Speaker 1: his stuff on those Paul Nansen Please Explain Cartoons and
• 35:23
  Speaker 1: Tim Blair check out his blog via the Daily Telegraph website.
• 35:27
  Speaker 1: After the break, going to catch up with that full
• 35:28
  Speaker 1: interview with former Foreign Minister Alexander Downer. Let's talk about
• 35:31
  Speaker 1: the ICC's decision to go after Benjamin and Yahoo and
• 35:35
  Speaker 1: also Anthony al but he's he's pathetic response. I started
• 35:42
  Speaker 1: the show on our national energy self harm. Let's get
• 35:45
  Speaker 1: back to it now with nationals MP and Formal Resources
• 35:47
  Speaker 1: Minister Keith Bitch joining us.
• 35:49
  Speaker 3: Live from Brisbane.
• 35:50
  Speaker 1: Keith I took a trip down memory lane at the
• 35:53
  Speaker 1: top of the program and showed how two years ago,
• 35:56
  Speaker 1: when there was talk of ARARII closing, we're saying that
• 35:59
  Speaker 1: the states and and the national grid couldn't.
• 36:01
  Speaker 3: Survive without a rah Ring.
• 36:03
  Speaker 1: Yet the liberal minister back then, Matt Kean and AEMO
• 36:07
  Speaker 1: and their so called engineers all said, don't worry, it's okay,
• 36:10
  Speaker 1: There'll be enough renewables guess what two years later, we
• 36:14
  Speaker 1: were right.
• 36:15
  Speaker 3: They have to keep a arring going.
• 36:17
  Speaker 1: I mean, these people claim to know what they're doing,
• 36:19
  Speaker 1: but time and time again display that they don't.
• 36:24
  Speaker 20: By the journey of self harm continues. Chris, never forget
• 36:28
  Speaker 20: that this was sold for fifty million dollars back in
• 36:30
  Speaker 20: twenty thirteen. It also got propped up by cole subsidies
• 36:34
  Speaker 20: from the alban Easy government. And now you're going to
• 36:36
  Speaker 20: invest another five hundred million potentially to keep it open
• 36:39
  Speaker 20: for two years. And Chris Barlin and Labor, they've got
• 36:43
  Speaker 20: a lot to answer for too, and the state ministers.
• 36:45
  Speaker 20: The capacity investment mechanism was designed for col and Gas
• 36:49
  Speaker 20: to stay in the system, to have a contribution towards
• 36:52
  Speaker 20: them staying online, to help with reliability and keep the
• 36:55
  Speaker 20: lights on. And what did mister Barlin do when the
• 36:57
  Speaker 20: state ministers do well, They threw it out and allowed
• 37:00
  Speaker 20: it to go to intermittent wind and zala, which is
• 37:02
  Speaker 20: causing the problem.
• 37:03
  Speaker 1: Yeah, well this is their only answer is to go
• 37:06
  Speaker 1: for more intimatedent energy and of course battery storage, which
• 37:09
  Speaker 1: has always costs the bomb and gives you bugger all storage.
• 37:12
  Speaker 3: Right, So that's the problem with batteries.
• 37:14
  Speaker 1: But the situation surely is clear now you can see
• 37:16
  Speaker 1: it even two years from now, they're going to be
• 37:19
  Speaker 1: desperately pleading for a rahring to keep going then and
• 37:23
  Speaker 1: probably shoveling more money to Origin energy.
• 37:27
  Speaker 20: It won't just be a raring every generator out there
• 37:30
  Speaker 20: that I know, they're all sitting there rubbing their hands
• 37:32
  Speaker 20: together saying, well, we know they need us. How much
• 37:34
  Speaker 20: are they going to pay? And unfortunately the payment will
• 37:37
  Speaker 20: be made by every electricity user in this country. It
• 37:40
  Speaker 20: has been very poorly managed and it just comes back to.
• 37:43
  Speaker 3: The basic physics Chris.
• 37:45
  Speaker 20: If you build a system from something that is intermittent,
• 37:48
  Speaker 20: it will be intermittent.
• 37:50
  Speaker 3: That's just the nature of it. Intermittent supply.
• 37:53
  Speaker 1: But just confirm this to me, because now I say
• 37:56
  Speaker 1: this all the time.
• 37:57
  Speaker 3: Just give me some clarity that this is exactly what
• 38:00
  Speaker 3: what's happening.
• 38:00
  Speaker 1: Are not the taxpayers of Australia subsidizing renewables to push
• 38:05
  Speaker 1: coal out at the same time we are now subsidizing coal.
• 38:09
  Speaker 3: To keep it in. Yes, that's exactly right.
• 38:15
  Speaker 20: So you had capital on the way in through the
• 38:17
  Speaker 20: Clean Energy Finance co operation and things like that. You
• 38:20
  Speaker 20: have subsidies for wind and sala with renewal landing certificates,
• 38:23
  Speaker 20: and then they do deals with organizations like Kleanco which
• 38:26
  Speaker 20: are owned by the Queensland State government at exorbitant rates
• 38:29
  Speaker 20: to keep them in there.
• 38:30
  Speaker 3: It's insane.
• 38:31
  Speaker 20: And now your subsidized.
• 38:32
  Speaker 1: Coal, It's insane. Thanks for joining us, Keith, I appreciate it.
• 38:36
  Speaker 1: Keith Pitt there live from Brisbane.
• 38:37
  Speaker 3: It is literally insane and an abuse of you and
• 38:41
  Speaker 3: your tax dollars.
• 38:42
  Speaker 1: But let's get back to that astonishing move by the
• 38:44
  Speaker 1: International Criminal Court to call for warrants to be issued
• 38:48
  Speaker 1: for Benjamin etten Yahu and his defense minister. Former Foreign
• 38:52
  Speaker 1: Minister Alexander Downer, who signed up to the Rome Statute
• 38:55
  Speaker 1: for the International Criminal Court two decades ago, is troubled
• 38:59
  Speaker 1: by the move exactly.
• 39:02
  Speaker 13: I find that horrendous. Really, I mean, I put a lot.
• 39:07
  Speaker 12: Of faith in the International Criminal Court as a new
• 39:10
  Speaker 12: institution which would move away from the politicization of so
• 39:16
  Speaker 12: many of these international bodies. But with Karen Khan as
• 39:21
  Speaker 12: the prosecutor, it's clear that all he wants to do
• 39:24
  Speaker 12: is play politics and create a moral equivalence between a
• 39:29
  Speaker 12: terrorist organization in Hamas which wants to destroy the State
• 39:33
  Speaker 12: of Israel and kill Jewish people, with a democratically elected
• 39:41
  Speaker 12: Israeli government which operates according to the rule of law
• 39:46
  Speaker 12: and with a very sophisticated and very credible judicial system.
• 39:52
  Speaker 12: To draw a moral parallel between those two is just atrocious.
• 39:57
  Speaker 12: And if the judges decide to go ahead with the
• 40:03
  Speaker 12: prosecution of the both Prime Minister and Defense Minister of Israel,
• 40:10
  Speaker 12: then that I think that will be pretty much the
• 40:13
  Speaker 12: end of the International Criminal Court. They'll have destroyed the
• 40:16
  Speaker 12: court altogether.
• 40:19
  Speaker 21: Now, the astonishing part about Australia's reaction is the Prime
• 40:23
  Speaker 21: Minister Anthony Albanezi, when he was first asked about this,
• 40:26
  Speaker 21: and this is after the US President Joe Biden had
• 40:30
  Speaker 21: condemned the move, so it's not as if there weren't
• 40:32
  Speaker 21: some comments globally for him to base his thoughts on.
• 40:37
  Speaker 3: This is what Anthony Abanzi said.
• 40:40
  Speaker 4: Well, I don't comment on court processes in Australia, let
• 40:44
  Speaker 4: alone court processes globally, of which Australia is not a party.
• 40:50
  Speaker 1: Well, I've had might say all week on those comments.
• 40:52
  Speaker 1: What's your view, Alexander Downa.
• 40:55
  Speaker 12: Well, he does comment on court cases in Australia on
• 40:58
  Speaker 12: many many an occasion, for example, the Labor government has
• 41:04
  Speaker 12: been happy to comment on the court cases in the
• 41:07
  Speaker 12: UK in relation to Julian A Sanje, So that's not true.
• 41:12
  Speaker 12: What he's trying to do is get out of committing
• 41:15
  Speaker 12: himself to something that I thought Joe Biden very strongly
• 41:20
  Speaker 12: committed himself too, and that is describing the decision of
• 41:24
  Speaker 12: the prosecutor of the international criminal Courses, to use Joe
• 41:29
  Speaker 12: Biden's word, outrageous.
• 41:31
  Speaker 13: But Australia is just playing itself.
• 41:34
  Speaker 12: Out of international politics altogether by playing domestic politics with
• 41:40
  Speaker 12: these issues.
• 41:41
  Speaker 13: I mean, it.
• 41:41
  Speaker 12: Obviously is an outrageous decision of their prosecutor to draw
• 41:48
  Speaker 12: a moral equivalence between the Israeli government and Hamas, and
• 41:52
  Speaker 12: you'd have thought that the Australian government could at least
• 41:56
  Speaker 12: say that, But by not doing so, they're playing domestic politics.
• 42:02
  Speaker 13: The Prime Minister is trying to balance the.
• 42:04
  Speaker 12: Left of the Labor Party with the right of the
• 42:08
  Speaker 12: Labor Party and to ensure also more importantly that votes
• 42:12
  Speaker 12: don't hemorrhage from the Labor Party to the Greens, which
• 42:16
  Speaker 12: is the way Labor has played the whole of this
• 42:21
  Speaker 12: gaza Gaza crisis. So it's just tremendously disappointing to see
• 42:27
  Speaker 12: this sort of behavior by the Australian government.
• 42:31
  Speaker 1: Let's get your thoughts on UK politics.
• 42:33
  Speaker 3: A couple of weeks.
• 42:34
  Speaker 1: Ago we discussed the speculation about an early election in
• 42:38
  Speaker 1: the UK at Summer election. Well overnight Richie Sinak has
• 42:42
  Speaker 1: called that it was a pretty dismal sort of an
• 42:44
  Speaker 1: English election calling with the Prime Minister standing out in
• 42:48
  Speaker 1: Downing Street in the rain. Here's some of what he
• 42:50
  Speaker 1: had to say.
• 42:52
  Speaker 11: This is proof that the plan and priorities and I
• 42:54
  Speaker 11: sat out are working. I recognize that it has not
• 42:58
  Speaker 11: always been easy. Some of you will only just be
• 43:01
  Speaker 11: starting to feel the benefits, and for some it might
• 43:04
  Speaker 11: still be hard when you look at your bank balance.
• 43:08
  Speaker 1: Alexander Downer does he have any hope of hanging on
• 43:11
  Speaker 1: the government?
• 43:13
  Speaker 12: I don't think they have much hope. No, but he's
• 43:15
  Speaker 12: obviously used the opportunity of good economic news where the
• 43:20
  Speaker 12: economy is now growing faster than Germany, France and the
• 43:25
  Speaker 12: United States as a result of the quarterly GDP figures
• 43:32
  Speaker 12: released last week, coupled with the inflation figures which showed
• 43:36
  Speaker 12: British inflation had fallen to just two point three percent,
• 43:40
  Speaker 12: which is zero point three of a percent above the
• 43:44
  Speaker 12: Bank of England's target.
• 43:46
  Speaker 22: So a couple of weeks ago, Alexander, a couple of
• 43:49
  Speaker 22: weeks ago, you were suggesting the theory was that if
• 43:52
  Speaker 22: things were looking really bad for Rishie Sunak, he might
• 43:55
  Speaker 22: rush to the polls to protect his leadership, to make
• 43:57
  Speaker 22: sure he's not knocked off by his own Do you
• 44:00
  Speaker 22: think that's what's unfolded here or something else.
• 44:05
  Speaker 13: No, I think it's all about the economy.
• 44:07
  Speaker 12: I think he feels that he needs to run the
• 44:11
  Speaker 12: election on the basis of the good economic news, and
• 44:15
  Speaker 12: on that basis he might be able to well save
• 44:19
  Speaker 12: a lot of Conservative seats if not win the election.
• 44:22
  Speaker 12: I mean, I think the odds are about three hundred
• 44:25
  Speaker 12: to one that he would win the election. It would
• 44:27
  Speaker 12: be a major, not a minor, but a major miracle
• 44:32
  Speaker 12: if the Conservatives were able to win the election. I
• 44:35
  Speaker 12: don't think they can. But nevertheless, he obviously thinks this
• 44:40
  Speaker 12: will minimize the damage. But yeah, I mean, it's such
• 44:46
  Speaker 12: a shock to call the election six months before he
• 44:49
  Speaker 12: has to, and to announce it in the reign and
• 44:54
  Speaker 12: the way he did as just an encouraged ridicule. I'm
• 44:59
  Speaker 12: afraid it's.
• 45:00
  Speaker 3: Not a great start.
• 45:01
  Speaker 1: We'll catch up with you next week and get your
• 45:03
  Speaker 1: thoughts on the labor alternative.
• 45:05
  Speaker 3: Thanks for joining us.
• 45:07
  Speaker 13: It's a pleasure.
• 45:09
  Speaker 3: Wow.
• 45:10
  Speaker 1: Three hundred to one they have we are pretty long odds.
• 45:12
  Speaker 1: Hey stick around after the rate when I catch up
• 45:15
  Speaker 1: the Shadow Energy Minister Ted O'Brien find out about the
• 45:17
  Speaker 1: coalition's push.
• 45:19
  Speaker 3: For nuclear.
• 45:24
  Speaker 1: It's been another big week for the energy debate and
• 45:27
  Speaker 1: the focus on nuclear energy. I'm joined now by the
• 45:29
  Speaker 1: Climate Change and Energy Minister, Shadow minister that is from
• 45:32
  Speaker 1: the coalition, Ted O'Brian, joining us live from Melbourne. Good
• 45:35
  Speaker 1: to talk to you, Ted, This of course by the
• 45:38
  Speaker 1: CSIRO the gen Costs report about the costs of competing
• 45:43
  Speaker 1: for sources of energy?
• 45:45
  Speaker 3: Do you trust their numbers?
• 45:49
  Speaker 2: Well to their credit for the first time, as you
• 45:53
  Speaker 2: might know, Chris, they've included the large reactors in their assessment,
• 45:58
  Speaker 2: so that's good. And the capital cost on a killer
• 46:02
  Speaker 2: what basis for those larger reactors, they don't look unreasonable
• 46:06
  Speaker 2: at all.
• 46:08
  Speaker 1: They say about seventeen billion for the first one and
• 46:10
  Speaker 1: then say eight and a half billions, So if you're
• 46:13
  Speaker 1: rolled out half a dozen, you'd roll them out at
• 46:16
  Speaker 1: eight eight to ten billion bucks of pop.
• 46:18
  Speaker 3: Presumably.
• 46:20
  Speaker 2: Well, where I think it's reasonable is they're talking about
• 46:23
  Speaker 2: just over eight and a half thousand dollars a killer.
• 46:26
  Speaker 2: What where I think they're wrong is the doubling for
• 46:30
  Speaker 2: that first plant, So basically saying that for the first
• 46:35
  Speaker 2: plant you're double it one hundred cent premium.
• 46:38
  Speaker 1: But that's only if.
• 46:39
  Speaker 2: You were to have a completely new, first of a
• 46:42
  Speaker 2: kind design.
• 46:44
  Speaker 1: Australia shouldn't be looking at that.
• 46:46
  Speaker 2: We should only be looking at tried and proven technologies,
• 46:50
  Speaker 2: and so that you can dismiss. The thing I've got
• 46:53
  Speaker 2: real concerns about, which just doesn't make sense compared to
• 46:55
  Speaker 2: international comparisons, is the price of electricity coming out of
• 46:59
  Speaker 2: those plants. The report assumes that the life of a
• 47:04
  Speaker 2: nuclear power plant is only thirty years, when in fact
• 47:08
  Speaker 2: their license for about eighty years probably could be extended
• 47:11
  Speaker 2: up to one hundred years. They assume, at the low
• 47:14
  Speaker 2: end of their assumption that a nuclear plant might only
• 47:18
  Speaker 2: run just over half the time with a fifty three
• 47:21
  Speaker 2: percent capacity factor. But as we know, nuclear power plants
• 47:25
  Speaker 2: are twenty four to seven always on up to ninety
• 47:28
  Speaker 2: five percent capacity factors.
• 47:31
  Speaker 1: I'm still sorry to interrupt, but they're massive miscalculations. I
• 47:35
  Speaker 1: mean you're talking about the lifespan being a third of
• 47:38
  Speaker 1: the actual lifespan, and finance over that time, of course,
• 47:42
  Speaker 1: is going to be reduced by a similar amount.
• 47:47
  Speaker 2: Exactly, Chris, And this is why good on them for
• 47:51
  Speaker 2: having a look at the large reactors. But our interest
• 47:54
  Speaker 2: is not on putting the investor at the center. That's
• 47:58
  Speaker 2: what CIRA does, right Cyrus, trying to speak to investors
• 48:01
  Speaker 2: who're trying to make a buck. We've got to focus
• 48:03
  Speaker 2: on the consumer who wants to save a buck, which
• 48:07
  Speaker 2: means the way you do the modeling is completely different anyway.
• 48:09
  Speaker 2: I mean, labor loves this stuff because labour wants to
• 48:12
  Speaker 2: pit one technology against another, all eggs in one basket
• 48:15
  Speaker 2: renewables approach. But the trick is we've got to get
• 48:19
  Speaker 2: that balanced mix of different technologies. So as we move forward,
• 48:23
  Speaker 2: how are we going to be able to integrate renewables,
• 48:27
  Speaker 2: gas and zero missions nuclear energy? Only by having a
• 48:30
  Speaker 2: look at the mix, with nuclear being the backbone of
• 48:34
  Speaker 2: the entire system, can we get the prices down and
• 48:37
  Speaker 2: keep the lights on as we decarbonize.
• 48:39
  Speaker 3: We're nearly out of time.
• 48:39
  Speaker 1: But just briefly, that's a very important point to summarize,
• 48:42
  Speaker 1: because you're not arguing to get rid of renewables. You'll
• 48:46
  Speaker 1: probably want some gas, certainly, keep a lot of renewables
• 48:49
  Speaker 1: and add in nuclear to basically replace that base load
• 48:52
  Speaker 1: power of coal. It's labor that's being exclusive here that
• 48:56
  Speaker 1: they don't want all options that they want to look
• 48:58
  Speaker 1: at all.
• 48:59
  Speaker 3: Options except cold gas and nuclear.
• 49:04
  Speaker 2: It's all eggs in one basket for labor. It's high
• 49:06
  Speaker 2: risk and it's already failing.
• 49:08
  Speaker 3: As we know.
• 49:08
  Speaker 2: Austrains are now paying among the highest prices in the world.
• 49:11
  Speaker 2: The market operator said this week that we might have
• 49:14
  Speaker 2: blackouts as soon as summer. Emissions are even going up.
• 49:17
  Speaker 2: For crying out loud, we just need some balance, some
• 49:20
  Speaker 2: diversity in the rest of the world. What they say is,
• 49:23
  Speaker 2: if you have zero missions, nuclear energy in the mix,
• 49:26
  Speaker 2: working with renewables, working with gas, prices down, light stay
• 49:30
  Speaker 2: on and emissions go down.
• 49:32
  Speaker 1: That's what we need. Put consumers at the center. Chris
• 49:35
  Speaker 1: makes so much sense. Thanks for joining us, Ted, I
• 49:36
  Speaker 1: appreciate it. Ted O'Brien there, I mean his staff didn't
• 49:40
  Speaker 1: add up economically, there wouldn't be twenty three of the
• 49:42
  Speaker 1: best economies in the world using it right now, just
• 49:45
  Speaker 1: a little bit of feedback from you and what I
• 49:46
  Speaker 1: had to say about renewables last night.
• 49:49
  Speaker 3: And Brian says that they're.
• 49:51
  Speaker 1: Going to stop the subsidies. Just stop all the subsidies
• 49:53
  Speaker 1: and watch what happens then. And Tony says, no competent,
• 49:58
  Speaker 1: same project manager break without a contingency plan. That's what
• 50:02
  Speaker 1: we're doing in this country if we just stick with
• 50:04
  Speaker 1: renewables alone. Ivan says, wait until people can't power their
• 50:08
  Speaker 1: fridges and have to throw out food, look out blackout
• 50:11
  Speaker 1: bow and then exactly they can't wait for those blackouts
• 50:15
  Speaker 1: the labor party that'll knock some sense into them. And
• 50:17
  Speaker 1: Steve says, reliable renewables sounds like some woke pop group.
• 50:22
  Speaker 1: It does, indeed, just the extraordinary stuff. As I said,
• 50:26
  Speaker 1: reliable renewables just a new term that they've made up
• 50:30
  Speaker 1: because renewables ain't reliable. Thanks for joining me. I'll see
• 50:34
  Speaker 1: you next week. Peter Kredin will be back after this
• 50:37
  Speaker 1: short break.