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Luigi Mangione Shocking Trial Twist We Learn LIVE · Brief Recess: A Legal Podcast with Michael Foote & Mélissa Malebranche

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  Speaker 1: Welcome to Brief Recess. I'm Michael Foote.
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  Speaker 2: I'm Melissa Albranch.
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  Speaker 1: Today we're going to talk about white people beneath the
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  Speaker 1: password to the seasoning cabinet, just a job hades, World
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  Speaker 1: Cup moment that made Melissa cry. We're going to ask
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  Speaker 1: if Candas Owens maybe might be making a point every
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  Speaker 1: now and then we're going to talk about the reflecting
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  Speaker 1: pool drama, World Cup tourists, discovering American junk food, the
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  Speaker 1: Luigi Mangione trial, and all the twists and turns and
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  Speaker 1: recent updates which changed in the middle of my sentence,
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  Speaker 1: I know, right. And we're going to answer all your
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  Speaker 1: questions from the d ms and also talk a lot
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  Speaker 1: about inner monologues and food.
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  Speaker 2: Don't we have a long talk about food?
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  Speaker 1: No, I think you're just hungry. Got your Is that
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  Speaker 1: a gem?
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  Speaker 2: No?
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  Speaker 1: It's a horse crux? What's your birdstone horn? Crooks? I'm
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  Speaker 1: happy June teenth?
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  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, just passed. How was your first you got in?
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  Speaker 2: Michael got invited, baby, first, he got invited by a
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  Speaker 2: black person that's not me. So he's got another black.
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  Speaker 1: There's another another one, a second black friend has entered
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  Speaker 1: the chat, and I will say.
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  Speaker 2: Michael, you were invited to the cookout.
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  Speaker 1: We are Okay, so white people at home, I'm gonna,
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  Speaker 1: I'm gonna look at cameras one, two, and three. We're
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  Speaker 1: not seasoning our food, guys, we are not even we
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  Speaker 1: haven't even begun to open the seasoning cap.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, well let me. I'm gonna because.
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  Speaker 1: I knew we weren't seasoning our food that well. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: I think of myself as a pretty good cook.
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  Speaker 2: You're a good baker. Thank you, Thank you for the correction.
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  Speaker 2: You're no, no, no, no, no what. I'm sorry. I actually didn't
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  Speaker 2: mean it like that. I have never had food from you.
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  Speaker 2: I have baked goods, so I feel like if you
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  Speaker 2: are a good baker, you could probably be a good cook.
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  Speaker 1: White people were not even like scratching the surface with
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  Speaker 1: the seasonings. I know that, and like and and it's
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  Speaker 1: not I know it's really preaching to the choir here.
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  Speaker 2: But I remember one time you told me.
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  Speaker 1: I was reading you Martha Stewart recipe.
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  Speaker 2: I was like, what is that? She was like the fuck?
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  Speaker 1: I was like, listen to this and it had I
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  Speaker 1: think one ingredient this season was like.
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  Speaker 2: Like I think I remember once you were talking about
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  Speaker 2: how how you were going to make Thanksgiving a turkey, yes,
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  Speaker 2: And I was like, what what are you going to
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  Speaker 2: put it in the turkey? And I hurt a lot
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  Speaker 2: of salt and pepper immediately shut down because I I
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  Speaker 2: and I'm going to say this, and I know people
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  Speaker 2: are gonna come at me, and I'm telling you right now,
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  Speaker 2: I don't care. I'm not going to take recipe recommendation
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  Speaker 2: your person wash their chicken.
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  Speaker 1: I washed my chicken? Do you? But because you told
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  Speaker 1: me to, And it's because I didn't know. I didn't know.
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  Speaker 2: And now that I know, I'm like, I.
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  Speaker 1: Need to wash this chicken immediately. And I know that
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  Speaker 1: this is a lot of people say you don't need to,
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  Speaker 1: but I do now. And I notice a difference.
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  Speaker 2: And let me tell you, you may not need to
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  Speaker 2: wash your chicken. Yeah, need to wash.
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  Speaker 1: My It's like and now I feel like if I'm
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  Speaker 1: making chicken and I don't wash it, it's like you
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  Speaker 1: don't wash your hands. It's like you haven't washed your
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  Speaker 1: hands before cooking. And that may work for you, it
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  Speaker 1: doesn't work for me or not anymore. Yeah, And it's
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  Speaker 1: something I simply cannot abide.
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  Speaker 2: So what did you eat to make you feel like
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  Speaker 2: you don't season your food? I love this so much.
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  Speaker 2: By the way, this is so like, it's like vindication.
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  Speaker 1: Macaroni salad. Macaroni doesn't have to be the main ingredient
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  Speaker 1: is something I learned, like the dressing and all the
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  Speaker 1: other things that go in, like it can be equal parts. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: so growing up, macaroni salad for me, it was almost dry.
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  Speaker 1: There was so little seasoning dressing on it. And listen,
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  Speaker 1: and the other thing is that I love all these
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  Speaker 1: foods and I will start cooking them for myself and
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  Speaker 1: I will start seasoning my things more. Okay, but I
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  Speaker 1: can't show up to Thanksgiving with Chipotle flavored turkey because
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  Speaker 1: my people will riot. My people won't abide.
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  Speaker 2: I'm going to make you some green seasoning. I'm going
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  Speaker 2: to make you some.
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  Speaker 1: Green sea doing this like it's to make a wish foundation.
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  Speaker 2: Because because you're my favorite blood is my favorite blood,
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  Speaker 2: and I'm going to do this. I'm going to make
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  Speaker 2: you some green season.
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  Speaker 1: Can I ask a really stupid question, what's in the
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  Speaker 1: green season?
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  Speaker 2: So I know Hatian people have green season and Dominicans
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  Speaker 2: have green seasoning. They also have like a red one.
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  Speaker 2: Jamaicans do it is it goes in almost everything, right,
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  Speaker 2: So depending on where you are from, it's green because
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  Speaker 2: there is parsley, there's green pepper. It's try No, it
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  Speaker 2: is not. It's wet.
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  Speaker 1: That's the other thing is most seasonings aren't dry, you guys.
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  Speaker 1: Another thing I learned, like it doesn't always have to
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  Speaker 1: be a dry seasoning. I know, it's amazing the things
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  Speaker 1: you learn.
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  Speaker 2: Really, I'm really so proud of you. It's like it's
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  Speaker 2: like you and Amari.
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  Speaker 1: Took the subway for the first time.
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  Speaker 2: I can't they're not gonna let me show the picture.
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  Speaker 2: But my nephew took. He's a year old and he
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  Speaker 2: took the subway for the first time. And I don't
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  Speaker 2: know if you saw. There's this woman I want to say.
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  Speaker 2: She's Lebanese and it was her daughter lives in New
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  Speaker 2: York and her mother had never been on the subway before.
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  Speaker 2: And her mother is this beautiful elegance. Did you see this?
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  Speaker 2: And she got on the train and she was horrified.
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  Speaker 2: Mari looks dilike, but I mean.
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  Speaker 1: But I don't touch anything.
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  Speaker 2: She was like and she was like holding on to
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  Speaker 2: her husband or this man that she was with death
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  Speaker 2: Grip and Mary was looking around like, I.
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  Speaker 1: Don't think so, honey, this is some bullshit. This doesn't
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  Speaker 1: work for me.
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  Speaker 2: Not at all. So anyway, you can.
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  Speaker 1: Make his face pretty well, you know.
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  Speaker 2: Can I tell you what's really funny? Like I am
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  Speaker 2: I When I don't listen to our show, I watch
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  Speaker 2: our show on you Okay, So I make the same
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  Speaker 2: faces all the time, Like it's really interesting to because
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  Speaker 2: you don't see your face when you're talking to somebody,
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  Speaker 2: but when you're watching it, you see it. And then
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  Speaker 2: there are pictures of me as a young child. I've
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  Speaker 2: been making that face very yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, and it so funny. It's the is it a
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  Speaker 1: nature versus nurture? I don't know the sassy little faces
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  Speaker 1: we make. Let's get into a sidebar, sassy little faces
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  Speaker 1: with Magdalen, with Magalie.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, my mom makes sassy little faces. My mom used
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  Speaker 2: to be a teacher and her her colleague would say
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  Speaker 2: they always knew when missus Malbranch did not like something,
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  Speaker 2: because my mother would just be like in a meeting,
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  Speaker 2: being like I love.
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  Speaker 1: When people do that. Though, I had a client making
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  Speaker 1: faces in court like that, and I had to be
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  Speaker 1: like you better stop.
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  Speaker 2: Do you remember this? A million years ago? Michael Jackson
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  Speaker 2: and went on trial and E did a reenactment.
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  Speaker 1: No, I didn't know this just when I.
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  Speaker 2: Sent it to you, But he did this reenactment where
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  Speaker 2: there was an actor playing Michael Jackson.
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  Speaker 1: What that sounds like some crazy ninety shit to early
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  Speaker 1: two thousand, two thousands, early two thousands, E was out
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  Speaker 1: of pocket.
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  Speaker 2: At one point, the anchors on E were sitting on
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  Speaker 2: these giant loose sight ease excuse me, and they had
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  Speaker 2: fish inside tank.
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  Speaker 1: Cj Gt. Peta on the phone.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know that they were real fish, to be fair,
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  Speaker 2: to be fair, I actually don't think that they were.
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  Speaker 1: There was this drag queen who used to have boobies
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  Speaker 1: that were fish bowls and there were live fish, goldfish inside,
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  Speaker 1: and she attached them to her gita. I don't know,
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  Speaker 1: but Peter came for her and she's not in business anymore.
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  Speaker 2: Wow. They ran her out of town.
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  Speaker 1: And the nineties were wild in New York. Really, Hell's
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  Speaker 1: Kitchen was Hell. It was Hell. It was Selicia.
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  Speaker 2: So the Michael Jackson, they will was the space. So
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  Speaker 2: people were accusing him of these terrible things and he
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  Speaker 2: was just like it was like, so you're trying to
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  Speaker 2: tell me that the actual Michael Jackson was doing that in.
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  Speaker 1: Court because no, way, just got the photo I've got.
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  Speaker 2: Oh he was an actor. That's the actor. That's the command, don't.
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  Speaker 1: I mean the face changed a lot, it did, but
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  Speaker 1: that is a pixelated photo. But it's also that's definitely
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  Speaker 1: not him. But that's a pretty good looking actor. I
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  Speaker 1: mean it looks pretty close the actor is. Yeah, I
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  Speaker 1: want to know what other what were the other credits?
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  Speaker 1: What else was the sactor in Fried Green Tomatoes? Like,
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  Speaker 1: what else is the soctor doing?
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  Speaker 2: I don't know, I don't know, but yeah, this guy
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  Speaker 2: was eye rolling, making I rolling and making a little crazy.
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  Speaker 1: I love Michael Jackson clips because he really didn't give
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  Speaker 1: a shit out a certa in point or maybe the
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  Speaker 1: whole time, because the one clip of him saying I
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  Speaker 1: hate touring, I go through hell on. I love that
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  Speaker 1: actually when they're like could you just do a positive.
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  Speaker 2: It's just like I love it.
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  Speaker 1: I love to tour. It is something CJ would say
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  Speaker 1: to us. It's like, hey, can you not be.
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  Speaker 2: So the other day we were talking about like when
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  Speaker 2: do you cry?
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  Speaker 1: Right?
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  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, Okay, so I cried this weekend and I'm
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  Speaker 2: gonna tell you why.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, so yeah, tell me.
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  Speaker 2: So. Uh, Haiti played Brazil this weekend and just really quickly,
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  Speaker 2: Haitian people, when they're not rooting for themselves, they're rooting
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  Speaker 2: for Brazil.
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  Speaker 1: Like, oh, I don't know that.
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  Speaker 2: No, I know a lot of people don't know that,
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  Speaker 2: but Haitian people love to root for Brazil. So there
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  Speaker 2: was almost like this thing like our people. Are the
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  Speaker 2: Haitian folks gonna like both are they going to root
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  Speaker 2: for themselves? They're going to root for Brazil obviously Haiti.
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  Speaker 2: But I was watching when they referraled that giant Haitian
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  Speaker 2: flag and the Haitian national anthem came on, and I
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  Speaker 2: have been practicing, so I stood up in my home
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  Speaker 2: and I sang my little song and it was this
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  Speaker 2: very emotional reaction that I had. For a couple of reasons,
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  Speaker 2: like I've said a million times, Haiti really needed this
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  Speaker 2: to be on the world stage. I mean, I think
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  Speaker 2: there's something like one hundred and twelve countries that are
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  Speaker 2: eligible to be in the World Cup, maybe more, and
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  Speaker 2: like forty six get in. Wow, So that's not that
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  Speaker 2: many and Haiti was the only country from the Caribbean,
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  Speaker 2: and this is all coming from a country that has
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  Speaker 2: had a really, really difficult time. So there was this
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  Speaker 2: huge especially yes the past couple of years and we
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  Speaker 2: haven't been there in over fifty years, and the just
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  Speaker 2: to see it was I was so full of and
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  Speaker 2: again thinking about my dad and how he would have
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  Speaker 2: absolutely lost his ship. So I shed a tier or two.
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  Speaker 1: Were you at you were at home at home? Because
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  Speaker 1: when I was talking to you on.
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  Speaker 2: Watch party and you didn't go, we didn't go.
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  Speaker 1: Andre was all dressed up.
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  Speaker 2: I will pull up a photo. Andre was all. I
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  Speaker 2: got him to wear a headband. Yeah, not to go.
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  Speaker 2: We went to a Juneteenth party and then I was.
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  Speaker 1: Like, yeah, I was at a bar in Brooklyn. I
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  Speaker 1: got kind of lost on the way to a gay
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  Speaker 1: bar and ended up in a sports bar playing pool
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  Speaker 1: with this guy named Tulio. Just met him. Okay, he
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  Speaker 1: was great, absolutely smoked me in a game of pool.
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  Speaker 2: I was going to say, do you play pool?
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  Speaker 1: But the game was on and so I was able
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  Speaker 1: to sort of.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, we got trounced, slaughtered, slaughtered, but honestly, it's okay, Brazil,
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  Speaker 2: is you don't know. Brazil is a country that they
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  Speaker 2: sort of eat, breathed, drink. Yes, yeh, football from They're
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  Speaker 2: playing it everywhere, so it is you know, it's it
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  Speaker 2: sucks that we lost so badly, but but we were
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  Speaker 2: I mean, we made it to the World Cup, which
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  Speaker 2: is a really big deal.
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  Speaker 1: We can get into your algorithm is showing and we
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  Speaker 1: can talk about this actually what we're doing it now, Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: let's do it. It's Pride month. Get into algorithm.
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  Speaker 2: Speaking of Pride month. Right, So there's.
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  Speaker 1: I get to shoot a straight person. We're in the
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  Speaker 1: face anywhere I want. That's the what kind of It's mum,
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  Speaker 1: Donnie's New York and people are allowed to shoot straight
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  Speaker 1: people for one for Pride weekend. It's the new role.
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  Speaker 2: All right, Well, I guess I'll stay home.
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  Speaker 1: That my mayor's.
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  Speaker 2: My mayor is Muslim. My bagels are Jewish. So there
• 14:00
  Speaker 2: was this doctor I wish, I hope I can find it.
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  Speaker 2: And again there is a doctor who was performing a
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  Speaker 2: foot shortening surgery on a trans person, on a trans woman.
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  Speaker 2: But I have so many questions about this short in general. Right,
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  Speaker 2: trans aside doesn't matter, that's not it. But like the idea,
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  Speaker 2: and what the doctor said was that she wanted to
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  Speaker 2: be able to wear more fashionable shoes. I can, you know,
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  Speaker 2: I get it, but I feel like and somebody please
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  Speaker 2: correct me if I'm wrong. The size of your feet
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  Speaker 2: does it also sort of support your body? Right? So
• 14:44
  Speaker 2: this person because they had pretty big feet, right, So
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  Speaker 2: this person is probably a tall, broad person. And now
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  Speaker 2: they've shortened their feet and their toes, but they haven't
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  Speaker 2: narrowed the foot.
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  Speaker 1: Is this a I've never heard of this procedure? This
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  Speaker 1: makes me I had.
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  Speaker 2: Never heard of it either, but just because we never
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  Speaker 2: heard of it, I know, but I had also never
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  Speaker 2: seen it, and I was so like curious, slash worried,
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  Speaker 2: like I am legitimately worried that. Now, let's like like
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  Speaker 2: to say it was you for example.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, am I going to be top one over right?
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  Speaker 1: Because I'm six four and I've got smaller feet now
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  Speaker 1: their size thirteen for a reason.
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  Speaker 2: To support the rest of it.
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  Speaker 1: When I broke my feet, Melissa, don't laugh. Yes, I
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  Speaker 1: broke both my feet during the pandemic, and my last
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  Speaker 1: name is foot right, But it was.
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  Speaker 2: It was not just that, it was it was you
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  Speaker 2: broke one and I was like, oh no, you okay,
• 15:43
  Speaker 2: and then he promptly broke the other one, and I
• 15:46
  Speaker 2: was her pity was used up on the first Mikey feet.
• 15:51
  Speaker 2: Mikey Feet broke his feet.
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  Speaker 1: And we were like double masking meeting up for outdoor coffee.
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  Speaker 1: Like it was like the craziest one.
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  Speaker 2: How did you break one foot and then immediately.
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  Speaker 1: Break It's like, how did Alissa get three concussions in
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  Speaker 1: a year? I don't know.
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  Speaker 2: These are things again, it's like the drugs. These are
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  Speaker 2: things that don't happen.
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  Speaker 1: Also, it's like you hang out with stupid people, you
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  Speaker 1: get stupid. Like, what does it say about you that
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  Speaker 1: you're hanging out with me with two broke feet and
• 16:15
  Speaker 1: Alissa can't see straight? What does that say about you? Girl?
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  Speaker 2: You're trying to mother you. Guys, I'm trying to lead
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  Speaker 2: you the right way about you that I'm helpful.
• 16:28
  Speaker 1: You got to make me green saze seasoning to.
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  Speaker 2: Make green season chicken. Yeah, man, But yeah, I'm actually
• 16:39
  Speaker 2: really curious about this and I don't know what the
• 16:41
  Speaker 2: surgery is called, but it made me I.
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  Speaker 1: Just I mean, I worry about everyone on the internet.
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  Speaker 1: It's not about the trance of it. All it's about,
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  Speaker 1: like you're worried about this person falling over in front
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  Speaker 1: of it.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, but I mean I also so this woman who
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  Speaker 2: wanted blue eyes and she got certain and they don't
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  Speaker 2: look right. They don't look.
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  Speaker 1: They're looking like Erica Kirk looking like laser beats.
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  Speaker 2: Right, And I'm wondering what is the impact of vision
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  Speaker 2: at some point?
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  Speaker 1: Anyways, see jam, I'm sorry, we're just gonna skip this
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  Speaker 1: whole page because we have to talk about Eric Kirk.
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  Speaker 2: What about her?
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  Speaker 1: Candace Owen's foot is on Erica Kirk's neck. Are you
• 17:24
  Speaker 1: seeing these videos? They're all over my feed? She's like,
• 17:27
  Speaker 1: she's like, why is Erica Kirk doing a bridle shoot
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  Speaker 1: before the app?
• 17:34
  Speaker 2: Here's Erica before the White House? Corresponds center he's taking
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  Speaker 2: bridle shots or something. That was that part was weird. No,
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  Speaker 2: nobody's talking about that enough. That was weird.
• 17:41
  Speaker 1: Well, spiff out her water. It's like her in a
• 17:46
  Speaker 1: veil behind a curtain, Like it's the weirdest.
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  Speaker 2: She's already she promised.
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  Speaker 1: She's like in a curtain. It's like so weird. She
• 17:56
  Speaker 1: and Candas Owen's just like, am I going crazy here?
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  Speaker 1: And I'm obviously they're not going to agree with her.
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  Speaker 2: And that's the thing, right, I really hate it when
• 18:03
  Speaker 2: somebody like Candace Owen is making me be like, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: she got them, like.
• 18:07
  Speaker 1: With Omrosa, where like she's got a few, she's got
• 18:11
  Speaker 1: a few good points, right.
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  Speaker 2: Like it's like that time that Tucker crasls I was like,
• 18:17
  Speaker 2: where am I in life? That Tucker Crasson is making
• 18:20
  Speaker 2: sense to me? What the fuck is going on?
• 18:22
  Speaker 1: Broken clock is right twice a day. That's trying sometimes
• 18:27
  Speaker 1: Sometimes Candae Owen, she's kind of she's kind of got
• 18:30
  Speaker 1: a point sometimes. So this is one of those.
• 18:32
  Speaker 2: More where are we in line? This is what's happened
• 18:35
  Speaker 2: that's wrong.
• 18:35
  Speaker 1: With my algorithm? Where it's like ultra progressive liberal video
• 18:39
  Speaker 1: of Candace Owen's dunking americ I just you know what.
• 18:42
  Speaker 2: I think though, I just think it just goes to
• 18:44
  Speaker 2: show you how completely off the rails this administration has become,
• 18:50
  Speaker 2: you know, has become even to the people who were
• 18:52
  Speaker 2: their staunch supporter that they're just like, yeah, you're out
• 18:56
  Speaker 2: here paying sixteen million dollars to fix your fucking pool
• 19:00
  Speaker 2: reflection pool.
• 19:01
  Speaker 1: I think, okay, I have a theory the reflection pool
• 19:03
  Speaker 1: is like the perfect example of like American corporate dysfunction,
• 19:09
  Speaker 1: like continue organizations with leaders just like doing things that
• 19:16
  Speaker 1: waste a bunch of money that had they just done nothing,
• 19:20
  Speaker 1: it would have been more profitable, you know what I mean.
• 19:22
  Speaker 1: It's like the perfect example of like the AI argument
• 19:25
  Speaker 1: in all of these companies that are like, let's try
• 19:28
  Speaker 1: this a I think we're going to invest fifty million
• 19:30
  Speaker 1: dollars into it, and then it ends up losing one
• 19:33
  Speaker 1: hundred million dollars. And it's like if you did nothing,
• 19:35
  Speaker 1: you would have made or like.
• 19:37
  Speaker 2: Just sort of like slowly like it's I think the
• 19:41
  Speaker 2: problem is also like the rush, right, everyone's trying to
• 19:44
  Speaker 2: be first, everyone's trying to be fast, but fast it
• 19:47
  Speaker 2: is not in many In many instances, faster is not
• 19:54
  Speaker 2: always better, folks. That's that's all.
• 19:59
  Speaker 1: That's Melissa's p put that on her mug. I'm just saying,
• 20:04
  Speaker 1: it's the race to the bottom of the reflection pool.
• 20:09
  Speaker 2: See where we are in the timeline of life.
• 20:12
  Speaker 1: Why did we do the reflection pool in the first place.
• 20:14
  Speaker 1: I actually forget, why is it there? What is happening? No,
• 20:18
  Speaker 1: it's always been, it's always been there. But what did
• 20:20
  Speaker 1: he do to it? He died it blue? What was
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: like the what was the.
• 20:26
  Speaker 2: Why did he That's a really good question.
• 20:28
  Speaker 3: Yeah, so Obama install these filters in twenty twelve because
• 20:32
  Speaker 3: it started to grow algae, and he was like, basically
• 20:35
  Speaker 3: like I want to rip out what Obama did and
• 20:36
  Speaker 3: do my own thing. So he originally was going to
• 20:39
  Speaker 3: rip out those filters painted blue and like put this
• 20:43
  Speaker 3: new lining down.
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: It's like when they died the river for Saint Patrick's
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: Day green in Chicago.
• 20:48
  Speaker 2: Yeah, totally random. Did you see how the Scotts have
• 20:53
  Speaker 2: drunk all the beer Sam sam Adams Brewery ran out
• 20:59
  Speaker 2: of I love that. I love that so much. And
• 21:05
  Speaker 2: it just feels like the folks from Scotland are having
• 21:07
  Speaker 2: the best time. And I saw them dancing with a
• 21:09
  Speaker 2: bunch of Haitians.
• 21:10
  Speaker 1: It was I saw a guy crying because he was
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: on his way to the airport to leave to go
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: back to Scotland and he had the taxi driver turn
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: around and take him back to Boston.
• 21:20
  Speaker 2: Yeah, a cap went to the airport to go home
• 21:27
  Speaker 2: and going home and they've discovered they discovered ranch dressing.
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: Yes, I absolutely love ranch.
• 21:36
  Speaker 2: I don't you don't I do not care for a ranch.
• 21:39
  Speaker 1: A little fat kid inside me that was denied ranch
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: growing up.
• 21:43
  Speaker 2: I just don't like that. Yeah, I've tried to.
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: Like you don't like Is it the dill?
• 21:48
  Speaker 2: No? I like deal by my coke. I think that
• 21:53
  Speaker 2: I don't like ranch. I also don't like Green Goddess.
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: Really, Oh, I guess Green Goddess is just like greener ranch.
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: Green Goddess is like ranch for Gwyneth Paltrow, you know
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: what I mean. Like it's for like the goop set. Right.
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: Maybe it's like what white girls who do yoga and
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: pilates give themselves when they want ranch.
• 22:14
  Speaker 2: Green Goddess. Why is it lower calorie?
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: They tell themselves it is, but it isn't. It's green.
• 22:20
  Speaker 2: So they're lying to themselves.
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: Like when we die the river in Chicago for Saint
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: Patrick's Day, it's the same thing. What's it's just ranch
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: dyed green? Okay, that's what I think.
• 22:34
  Speaker 2: I think they taste different, and I don't like either one.
• 22:37
  Speaker 2: I think you know what it is. It's the mayonnaise.
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: You don't like any mayonnaise.
• 22:40
  Speaker 2: I don't know. I do like some mayonnaise. It's weird,
• 22:44
  Speaker 2: but like, but I think there's too much mayonnaise in it,
• 22:47
  Speaker 2: Like it's mostly mayonnaise what I like to do.
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: So I get like a ranch from my farm share,
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: and it's like really good homemade ranch. I do that,
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: but then I do a little vinaigrette, olive oil and
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: water in my cut in. Just like the salad. I
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: always put a little bit of warm water in my
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: salad because it just I don't like an icy cold salad.
• 23:08
  Speaker 2: Okay, I can see.
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: It burning my teeth. Sure, I hate that. I like
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: a room temperature salad. And oftentimes the lettuce is in
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: the fridge, so I want to like warm it up
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: a little bit with a little warm water. So I'll
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: throw that in and then I dress it. And then
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: I sort of thin out the ranch with either a
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: vinaigrette or an olive oil or a little extra water
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: or something just to kind of like loosen it. Otherwise
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: it's like clumps of dressing.
• 23:32
  Speaker 2: Maybe that's what I don't like.
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: I want it to be.
• 23:35
  Speaker 2: I don't like blue cheese dressing.
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I want it to be like a more water
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: consistency blue cheese you don't like. Maybe I'm just like
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: a big back because I love all those creamy dressings
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: An Islands.
• 23:46
  Speaker 2: I like thousand, I love Russian.
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: A Long Island salad bar from the nineties. I want
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: that's what I want.
• 23:54
  Speaker 2: The bacon bits.
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: Yes, that's the salad I want. Give me that wedge that.
• 23:59
  Speaker 2: I you know, the iceberg wedge well also doesn't well,
• 24:04
  Speaker 2: I guess if you don't open it, it doesn't need to
• 24:06
  Speaker 2: be refrigerated. See anything like that, And that's.
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: A little nervous.
• 24:12
  Speaker 2: I don't love these that are too like shelf stable,
• 24:16
  Speaker 2: like Twinkies, Like this is just too much.
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: There's this one video of a woman. She's like, this
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: guy's like from Ireland and he needs one dessert?
• 24:25
  Speaker 2: Is it the black guy? And he's Irish and it's
• 24:27
  Speaker 2: another black woman. She was like, oh my god, they've
• 24:29
  Speaker 2: got us out there too. Did you see this? And
• 24:32
  Speaker 2: she's helping him with the snacks and she's like a
• 24:35
  Speaker 2: top tier snack person.
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: She was like giving me ideas on that.
• 24:38
  Speaker 2: I know I was. There was something that she said.
• 24:40
  Speaker 2: I was like, I'm gonna try that. What the hell
• 24:42
  Speaker 2: was it?
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: Was it the honeybuns with butter maybe? And then the
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: woman doesn't jok. So for people who have no idea.
• 24:48
  Speaker 2: What return and this older white woman in a moon
• 24:50
  Speaker 2: who comes by and throws another suggestion.
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: Now she was great, guys, just so you understand what
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: the hell we're talking about. For the World Cup, there
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: are people from all around the world in America right now,
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: and they're being exposed to the unregulated, high processed foods
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: in America, all the red dyes, all over TikTok and Instagram.
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: There are videos of people trying to find the best
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: snacks in America. And this black man from Ireland found
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: a black woman presumptively in the American South.
• 25:19
  Speaker 2: I don't, yeah, I don't, I don't know.
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: It was Texas, and she was giving honeybuns and hostess
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: snacks and cookies. Uh, and it was just all these
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: things this lovely irishman had never seen before. The chest
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: cookies with.
• 25:39
  Speaker 2: Es.
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: Yeah you don't like bana, I don't like manas.
• 25:44
  Speaker 2: But yeah, but the best was the other part of
• 25:46
  Speaker 2: that was like the old lady who was walking by
• 25:48
  Speaker 2: and like threw out a suggestion, like.
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: Someone charts pop tarts with no frosting.
• 25:53
  Speaker 2: And fry them in butter, is what she said.
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: And then in the com I went to the commons,
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: you know, what someone said, that's my mother in law. Literally,
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: they were like, oh my god.
• 26:05
  Speaker 2: But I just wonder where are you, Like, what's going
• 26:07
  Speaker 2: on in your life that you're like, you know what
• 26:09
  Speaker 2: I'm going to try, I'm going to fry a pop tart.
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: Well. I want to know, is what's going on in
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: these countries? Do they not have incredible snacks?
• 26:15
  Speaker 2: Different snacks?
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: Based off these videos, they make it seem like the
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: UK is like what you see on Game of Thrones. No,
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: like that's the culinary experience is the feast.
• 26:26
  Speaker 2: And I will say the best food that I had
• 26:28
  Speaker 2: in the UK was not British food. It was like
• 26:30
  Speaker 2: Indian food, and Indian.
• 26:32
  Speaker 1: Food in the UK is incredible. Yeah, I mean British
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: food is. I think I think even British people would
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: agree with us that it's bad.
• 26:41
  Speaker 2: It's not good, It's not terrific.
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: If you have to describe the side dish as mushy,
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: I'm out of here. I'm out of here. I'm self deporting.
• 26:50
  Speaker 2: I've never had mushy peas and I wonder, no, no,
• 26:54
  Speaker 2: could it be good?
• 26:55
  Speaker 1: No? Because they're just overcooked?
• 26:58
  Speaker 2: Is it just the peas?
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: No?
• 27:00
  Speaker 2: Season? But we did talk about you people, have no
• 27:03
  Speaker 2: seasons people. I wonder if the mushy pea's I'm gonna
• 27:09
  Speaker 2: look for a recipe of mushy peas and see their
• 27:11
  Speaker 2: seasoning and the mushy peas it.
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: Was just butter and probably salt. Okay, no pepper, no pepper,
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: probably not.
• 27:18
  Speaker 2: There's this There are these two British guys. There are
• 27:23
  Speaker 2: these two British guys that have They go around the
• 27:26
  Speaker 2: United States eating things and they're always like, I forget
• 27:29
  Speaker 2: what they're called. I think the thing is called jolly whatever.
• 27:33
  Speaker 2: And they also take American food back to Like these
• 27:37
  Speaker 2: British boys in school and they're so cute right therese
• 27:41
  Speaker 2: like sort of high school ish type boys, and they're
• 27:44
  Speaker 2: wearing like their suits and they're just like and there
• 27:46
  Speaker 2: was one kid who was eating something and he got
• 27:48
  Speaker 2: all red in the face and he was just like,
• 27:50
  Speaker 2: there's a lot of pepper. He was just like, I
• 27:57
  Speaker 2: can't with the pepper. Liked watering up, watering eyes, and
• 28:01
  Speaker 2: he was just like, there's a lot of pepper in this.
• 28:03
  Speaker 2: They're so cute and they're just like, oh, that's like
• 28:06
  Speaker 2: they're eating like barbecue. They're like, that's lovely, that's lovely.
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: Little little kids with British accentsor vers.
• 28:15
  Speaker 2: I mean they're cute, but these kids are not little.
• 28:17
  Speaker 2: They're like seventeen years old. Oh they're like but they
• 28:20
  Speaker 2: are adorable. No, but they're adorable in the way they're
• 28:23
  Speaker 2: just like Wow, I've never had like, okay chicken.
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: I was in the UK, I went to I was
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: there first school, and I went to the dining hall
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: and they had toast. But the bread they just put
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: it in the deep fror. That was the buttered.
• 28:40
  Speaker 2: Toast that they fried bread, fried bread, and I'd never
• 28:43
  Speaker 2: had that before.
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: It was really good.
• 28:45
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm sure, well it's fried.
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: It had like the consistency of a churro, but was
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: salty where I was like, oh this is chewy. This
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: is like the beans had beans on it, you know.
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: It was like a side dish at breakfast, side dish,
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: like you got your eggs and your like bacon and
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: your Maybe there were beans, but it was like they
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: had to have been rather than just the toast you
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: would get. It was deep red bread.
• 29:10
  Speaker 2: We're going to Ireland and I am really looking forward
• 29:13
  Speaker 2: to having like an Irish breakfast, Yeah, with like blood pudding.
• 29:17
  Speaker 1: Blood Pudding's good. I like blood pudding.
• 29:19
  Speaker 2: I can't remember. I don't think I like blood pudding.
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: It's got like a crust to it that, in retrospect.
• 29:27
  Speaker 2: Was blood right, and they fried it till it's crispy.
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: Yeah, this is supposed to be a legal podcast.
• 29:33
  Speaker 2: I'm really sorry. Sorry, I know, I know, I know.
• 29:35
  Speaker 2: You've completely gone off the rails.
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: Let's take a break, we'll come back. Let's talk about
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: Lui Ji MANGIONI okay, because they updated his defense and
• 29:43
  Speaker 1: I feel like I owe it to the sillennials that
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: follow me. Sure, Okay, we'll be right back. Welcome back.
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: This is under oath. We're going to be talking deep
• 29:54
  Speaker 1: dive into a hot topic plaguing the news feed right now,
• 29:59
  Speaker 1: which is Luigi Mangoni.
• 30:02
  Speaker 2: Friends. What I always say, well, wrong segment, Well fuck me, okay,
• 30:08
  Speaker 2: you looked at me.
• 30:09
  Speaker 1: No wrong segment.
• 30:11
  Speaker 2: Okay, we're moving on Luigi.
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: Okay, Luigi Mangoni. What did he allegedly do?
• 30:18
  Speaker 2: He allegedly murdered the CEO of United Healthcare.
• 30:24
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and so they were charging him with murder and
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: in the first degree and second degree, and now his
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: defense team is saying that he was suffering from extreme
• 30:35
  Speaker 1: emotional disturbance.
• 30:37
  Speaker 2: Because do they say that they made they didn't really
• 30:39
  Speaker 2: say why, Okay, did they see change? And I'm just
• 30:43
  Speaker 2: asking if they did say booth. I wonder if not
• 30:46
  Speaker 2: saying right now is a part of the strategy.
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: I remember that, like he disappeared for a while, and
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: then like he didn't his family didn't hear from him
• 30:53
  Speaker 1: for six months, and then he showed up.
• 30:55
  Speaker 2: And killed allegedly killed this guy.
• 30:58
  Speaker 1: Maybe there's something in six months where they're going to claim,
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: you know, he went through brainwashing or I don't know
• 31:05
  Speaker 1: what it was. But basically, this is what defense attorneys do,
• 31:08
  Speaker 1: is they're trying to reduce the charges that have the
• 31:10
  Speaker 1: lowest sentence. But the interesting thing about this is any
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: sort of emotional disturbance or insanity plea we called an
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: affirmative defense, which is like such a stupid name for
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: it because it's like, how can you be affirmative and
• 31:22
  Speaker 1: defensive but you're basically saying I did it. However, I
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: had a good reason for it, similar to the heat
• 31:27
  Speaker 1: of the passion crimes, right, So in this one it
• 31:32
  Speaker 1: would be I was suffering such from such extreme emotional disturbances,
• 31:37
  Speaker 1: I should not be tried. I don't know why I'm
• 31:40
  Speaker 1: doing this in first person. Should not I should not
• 31:43
  Speaker 1: be tried as someone who was in their right mind
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: and had a mind that was well enough to hold
• 31:51
  Speaker 1: the requisite men's rea to commit this crime, and be
• 31:54
  Speaker 1: tried as a person who was sane. So what I
• 31:57
  Speaker 1: do know from law school is like insanity please are
• 32:00
  Speaker 1: really hard?
• 32:01
  Speaker 2: Are they?
• 32:01
  Speaker 1: They're really hard to win because if you if it
• 32:05
  Speaker 1: were somewhat, if it were even a slightly reduced standard
• 32:10
  Speaker 1: you have to reach every moment, would be doing it
• 32:12
  Speaker 1: in insanity plea for everything, okay, parking ticket, whatever, like everything,
• 32:17
  Speaker 1: you would just be like I was crazy.
• 32:20
  Speaker 2: I mean, but what Okay?
• 32:22
  Speaker 1: But so there was this red notebook that they found
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: a McDonald's, which is like a big key part of
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: the evidence in the prosecutor's case, and they're thinking that
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: Luigi's defense won't hold up because of what was written
• 32:34
  Speaker 1: in that red notebook was so cognizant, like it was
• 32:38
  Speaker 1: so put together that there was a quote you want
• 32:40
  Speaker 1: to read the quote.
• 32:41
  Speaker 3: I finally feel confident about what I will do. The
• 32:44
  Speaker 3: details are finally coming together.
• 32:46
  Speaker 2: Hmm.
• 32:48
  Speaker 1: That doesn't sound.
• 32:49
  Speaker 2: Good, But I mean, I'm sure his attorney's are going
• 32:52
  Speaker 2: to try and make a case of like this is
• 32:54
  Speaker 2: these are not the words of somebody who who was
• 32:58
  Speaker 2: in his right line. So even though this sounds really cognizant,
• 33:04
  Speaker 2: but they're going to try. They have to earn their
• 33:06
  Speaker 2: money somehow.
• 33:07
  Speaker 1: Right, And so basically as this case is sort of
• 33:09
  Speaker 1: coming together, what's happening is that behind the scenes, the
• 33:13
  Speaker 1: prosecution is trying to pull together all their little bits
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: of evidence that's allowed in and defense is trying to
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: anticipate how a jury's going to react to that and
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: what they're going to response is going to be. So
• 33:25
  Speaker 1: there's something called taking the stinger out of the bee.
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: This is like a trial strategy that comes where if
• 33:31
  Speaker 1: you know something bad is going to come up, like
• 33:32
  Speaker 1: the words written in the Red Notebook, for example, as
• 33:36
  Speaker 1: a defense attorney, you would bring that up proactively in
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: your opening statement with a witness testimony before the prosecution
• 33:46
  Speaker 1: can talk about it. That way, the jury doesn't think
• 33:49
  Speaker 1: that you got surprised or that you're on your heels
• 33:52
  Speaker 1: with this evidence. You bring it up beforehand, you anticipate it,
• 33:56
  Speaker 1: and it's called taking the stinger out of the bee.
• 33:58
  Speaker 1: That way, you've already social with the jury. Oh, the
• 34:01
  Speaker 1: red notebook. You're going to hear about this red notebook
• 34:03
  Speaker 1: at trial, and you're going to hear the prosecutor say
• 34:05
  Speaker 1: this and read these words and that way. When the
• 34:08
  Speaker 1: prosecutor does it, it's like, yeah, we already heard that,
• 34:11
  Speaker 1: we heard that, we knew this was coming.
• 34:12
  Speaker 3: For us to be the most up to date, I
• 34:14
  Speaker 3: just clicked on that NBC link that I had in
• 34:16
  Speaker 3: the breakdown, and they're now reversing. They don't want to
• 34:18
  Speaker 3: use this psychiatric defense anymore.
• 34:21
  Speaker 2: So they are scrambling to try and figure out what
• 34:23
  Speaker 2: they're going to do for this kid, for this man
• 34:26
  Speaker 2: young man.
• 34:27
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's not good. But I wonder every potential juror
• 34:31
  Speaker 1: is reading that, Like everyone who's going to be on
• 34:33
  Speaker 1: the jury's going to be reading that.
• 34:34
  Speaker 2: But I wonder if what they are in the end,
• 34:37
  Speaker 2: what they're hoping for his Luigi's attorneys, is that there
• 34:41
  Speaker 2: will be enough people on a jury who have been
• 34:47
  Speaker 2: absolutely screwed by a health insurance company. Now being clear,
• 34:53
  Speaker 2: just because you've been screwed doesn't mean that you're allowed
• 34:56
  Speaker 2: to go and allegedly kill somebody, right, But but I
• 34:59
  Speaker 2: wonder if they're really kind of hoping that people will say,
• 35:02
  Speaker 2: you know what, either I or somebody that I know
• 35:06
  Speaker 2: did not get the treatment that they deserved or like
• 35:08
  Speaker 2: you know, lost their home or whatever. It is, right,
• 35:11
  Speaker 2: And I think a lot of people can say can
• 35:13
  Speaker 2: talk about a bad experience that they've had and will say,
• 35:16
  Speaker 2: you know what, maybe this guy was pushed to the
• 35:20
  Speaker 2: breaking point and that's why he allegedly did this thing,
• 35:24
  Speaker 2: because all signs point to him probably having done this, right.
• 35:30
  Speaker 1: I hear what you're saying, Yeah about jury's he's going
• 35:34
  Speaker 1: to lose.
• 35:35
  Speaker 2: That's my hot take. He's going to lose this case, sure.
• 35:38
  Speaker 1: And I know that, you know, a lot of people
• 35:40
  Speaker 1: on the internet have his back, and a lot of
• 35:41
  Speaker 1: people are going to comment on this clip and say,
• 35:44
  Speaker 1: but this is not a this is not a winning case.
• 35:47
  Speaker 1: This is not And even if there is that one
• 35:49
  Speaker 1: person on the jury, it's juries are so unpredictable. I
• 35:54
  Speaker 1: just don't think people understand sometimes how unpredictable jurors are,
• 35:59
  Speaker 1: and how much of like an intersection of the world
• 36:02
  Speaker 1: is represented in the juries, oh for sure, And how
• 36:04
  Speaker 1: much of like just your in my social life, right,
• 36:08
  Speaker 1: is one one hundredth of society's frame of mind. So
• 36:15
  Speaker 1: when we're talking about oh, yeah, twelve people, half of
• 36:19
  Speaker 1: them are going to have similar ideas and thoughts as
• 36:21
  Speaker 1: you and me. M not necessarily, No, you'll be lucky
• 36:25
  Speaker 1: if there's one person on there who comes from a
• 36:27
  Speaker 1: similar walk of life as you, even if you're from
• 36:29
  Speaker 1: the same community. So I feel like, looking at how
• 36:33
  Speaker 1: this is going to shake out if they're betting on
• 36:36
  Speaker 1: a juror if there if their defense strategy is let's
• 36:40
  Speaker 1: bet that someone on the jury has a negative experience
• 36:45
  Speaker 1: with a healthcare provider or is frustrated by that and
• 36:47
  Speaker 1: is going to hang up this entire jury. That's like,
• 36:51
  Speaker 1: that's that's I mean, last ditch attempt. Sure, but I
• 36:55
  Speaker 1: agree with you, Like, yeah, I hear you, Like that
• 36:58
  Speaker 1: would be something that Michael the non lawyer watching this
• 37:04
  Speaker 1: on TV be like, oh yeah, I would think that
• 37:07
  Speaker 1: that would happen. But knowing what I've seen, jurors come
• 37:12
  Speaker 1: out of that room and they say, oh, yeah, we
• 37:13
  Speaker 1: convicted because and then they say something that no one
• 37:17
  Speaker 1: nobody yeah, and we're like huh, or they're like, oh, Michael,
• 37:24
  Speaker 1: you were writing really fast, so we assumed he was guilty.
• 37:29
  Speaker 1: You were scribbling furiously during that testimony, and I'm like, yeah,
• 37:32
  Speaker 1: I'm taking notes because I'm about to eat this witness up,
• 37:36
  Speaker 1: not because I was worried. I was taking down notes
• 37:39
  Speaker 1: of everything I was going to gobble them up with.
• 37:42
  Speaker 1: They interpret it as so you just it's one of
• 37:45
  Speaker 1: these things where you just have no idea what's going
• 37:47
  Speaker 1: to go down. But they did get a lot of
• 37:49
  Speaker 1: the evidence thrown out in this case. That's another way
• 37:51
  Speaker 1: to win a case like this is peremptory hearings, so
• 37:55
  Speaker 1: getting evidence thrown out. I think they got his statements
• 37:59
  Speaker 1: that he made to the police officers in the McDonalds.
• 38:01
  Speaker 1: Those were thrown out because he wasn't mirandized. They knew
• 38:04
  Speaker 1: who he was, who was under arrest, they never mirandized him.
• 38:07
  Speaker 1: And then the statemance he made, they threw those out.
• 38:10
  Speaker 1: I think the backpack, I think, I don't know if
• 38:13
  Speaker 1: that's going to be allowed into evidence.
• 38:15
  Speaker 3: They're trying to argue now that the red notebook was
• 38:18
  Speaker 3: an illegal seizure, which is I think.
• 38:19
  Speaker 1: What part of the reason why they're doing this reversal.
• 38:23
  Speaker 1: So basically, there's this concept called the fruit of the
• 38:26
  Speaker 1: poisonous tree doctrine, which is that if the search was
• 38:31
  Speaker 1: not in compliance with the Fourth Amendment, which is unlawful
• 38:35
  Speaker 1: search and seizures anything. Even if they get the bloody
• 38:38
  Speaker 1: knife murder weapon with the prints and the blood on it,
• 38:41
  Speaker 1: anything from that illegal search is not admissible in court,
• 38:45
  Speaker 1: and you have to try the entire case as if
• 38:48
  Speaker 1: it doesn't exist, so the prosecutor can't bring it up.
• 38:51
  Speaker 1: That's a mistrial. Defense can reference it in whatever, no
• 38:54
  Speaker 1: one can talk about it at trial. And so that's
• 38:56
  Speaker 1: how you would kind of win one of these cases.
• 38:58
  Speaker 1: In these preemptive me what do.
• 39:01
  Speaker 2: You think the hope is for this guy? Like what
• 39:03
  Speaker 2: ultimately what is the best case scenario for him? Because
• 39:07
  Speaker 2: I just I can't imagine that this is somebody who's
• 39:11
  Speaker 2: going to get off scott free, right, I cannot imagine that.
• 39:16
  Speaker 2: So barring getting off scott.
• 39:19
  Speaker 1: Free, twenty years, twenty years, twenty years in prison, I
• 39:23
  Speaker 1: think that's.
• 39:24
  Speaker 2: What best case scenario for him.
• 39:26
  Speaker 1: I think so. I think, just like being honest with
• 39:29
  Speaker 1: the evidence and the facts of this case, I think
• 39:32
  Speaker 1: he's going to get twenty years in prison, Okay, yeah, yeah,
• 39:35
  Speaker 1: maybe life. Yeah, because there's a video footage of him,
• 39:41
  Speaker 1: he was waiting, there was mensrea, there was intent. They
• 39:46
  Speaker 1: have to prove the intent, though, they have to prove
• 39:50
  Speaker 1: the forethought. So that'll be something if the red notebook
• 39:53
  Speaker 1: is getting thrown out, if there's no manifesto or anything
• 39:57
  Speaker 1: like that, that'll be hard for a prosecution to kind
• 39:59
  Speaker 1: of pin down hard evidence. But video surveillance, footage of
• 40:05
  Speaker 1: if they confirm that and they get everything into evidence,
• 40:09
  Speaker 1: it's really hard to get around that kind of stuff
• 40:11
  Speaker 1: with a jury. Sure, yeah, are very much. It's a
• 40:15
  Speaker 1: visual medium, right, you know, I can see.
• 40:17
  Speaker 2: That and once you regardless of what you feel about
• 40:22
  Speaker 2: the person who's killed, right, but if there is evidence
• 40:28
  Speaker 2: in front of you, there's a video, there's you know, yeah,
• 40:32
  Speaker 2: then you can't help. But yeah, be like okay.
• 40:36
  Speaker 1: If there is video evidence in a case, it almost
• 40:41
  Speaker 1: always doesn't go forward. It's almost always plea deal in
• 40:45
  Speaker 1: my experience, whenever there's a video, that is the first thing.
• 40:49
  Speaker 2: So what could they plead him down to.
• 40:51
  Speaker 1: They could play him down to like second degree murder.
• 40:55
  Speaker 2: Probably okay, which is usually a sentence of.
• 40:58
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but the process cution would have to be open
• 41:01
  Speaker 1: to that. If they've got great evidence, they're like, let's
• 41:04
  Speaker 1: get the conviction, let's go forward. That's like their perspective. Okay,
• 41:07
  Speaker 1: but I've really only seen these kinds of cases go
• 41:09
  Speaker 1: forward where the defenses saying no to a plea deal
• 41:15
  Speaker 1: when the video evidence doesn't get admitted or it's corrupted
• 41:19
  Speaker 1: or lost or damaged or whatever. Okay, they just didn't
• 41:22
  Speaker 1: exist in the first place. Okay, Yeah, it's going to
• 41:25
  Speaker 1: be I mean it's soon the trials in a couple
• 41:27
  Speaker 1: of months, so.
• 41:29
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean it's I've been waiting a while though.
• 41:32
  Speaker 1: You know, we could like watch that if you guys want,
• 41:34
  Speaker 1: we could do like a separate coverage of this or something.
• 41:38
  Speaker 2: I think.
• 41:39
  Speaker 1: Yes, it's like right here in New York.
• 41:40
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 41:41
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I go to that courthouse all the time.
• 41:43
  Speaker 2: You're just gonna sit there and watch it and just
• 41:45
  Speaker 2: like really hard to How many people do you think
• 41:48
  Speaker 2: they want it? It's like the people they were like
• 41:52
  Speaker 2: practically selling tickets just for Diddy's trial. Do you know
• 41:55
  Speaker 2: what I mean?
• 41:55
  Speaker 1: I feel like I know a guy. Do you feel
• 41:57
  Speaker 1: like I know a bailiff who could get me in?
• 41:58
  Speaker 1: I do?
• 42:00
  Speaker 2: I mean, do you know where it's taking place?
• 42:02
  Speaker 1: Yeah? Okay, I was kicking with the bailiffs the other day.
• 42:06
  Speaker 1: It was really bad, like out in the hallway. We
• 42:08
  Speaker 1: were we were like giggling.
• 42:10
  Speaker 2: So what's wrong with that?
• 42:11
  Speaker 1: It was great, It was it was actually kind of great.
• 42:13
  Speaker 3: I have a question for you on the Luigi stuff,
• 42:16
  Speaker 3: but it's not necessarily specific to this. So his defense
• 42:20
  Speaker 3: team is they requested that some of his statements that
• 42:22
  Speaker 3: he made be cut from the record, claiming that he
• 42:24
  Speaker 3: had been not had not yet been read his Miranda
• 42:27
  Speaker 3: rights before being interrogated. How is that possible when the
• 42:31
  Speaker 3: New York One NYPD had this is like a man hunt,
• 42:33
  Speaker 3: like they were, how do they not read him his
• 42:36
  Speaker 3: Miranda rights?
• 42:37
  Speaker 1: So he wasn't mirandized because he was found in Pennsylvania
• 42:41
  Speaker 1: and like a rural town and these were like the
• 42:43
  Speaker 1: local police officers from like Scranton, Pennsylvania or something. And
• 42:50
  Speaker 1: but no, I mean no, this is not like a
• 42:52
  Speaker 1: good defense of them. Okay, But from my perspective, I'm
• 42:55
  Speaker 1: like those officers were not very experienced because they literally
• 42:59
  Speaker 1: they should have randized him right away for resid him.
• 43:02
  Speaker 1: They were from my when I was I mean, this
• 43:05
  Speaker 1: is not me. I'm not letting police officer und right.
• 43:09
  Speaker 2: No, I understand what you're saying, but it seems to
• 43:12
  Speaker 2: me as a polic Like it's literally I'm not a
• 43:15
  Speaker 2: police officer and I have seen enough sbu to know,
• 43:19
  Speaker 2: but never like even if it's your first day on
• 43:22
  Speaker 2: the fucking no, no, no, no.
• 43:25
  Speaker 1: They're like, wait a minute, there's just the guy from
• 43:28
  Speaker 1: the TV.
• 43:31
  Speaker 2: The guy that is that. No, there's no really bad,
• 43:36
  Speaker 2: it's really really bad. So they were so excited to
• 43:38
  Speaker 2: see him that they forgot to do their job.
• 43:40
  Speaker 1: And also with Luisgu's child, there was some weird ship
• 43:43
  Speaker 1: where like the body cams turned on and off a
• 43:45
  Speaker 1: couple of times and then it was like there was something.
• 43:50
  Speaker 1: They put some evidence in a McDonald's bag. Oh my god,
• 43:53
  Speaker 1: I'm serious. And then one officer had it in a
• 43:56
  Speaker 1: McDonald's bag. They were driving it to the precinct part
• 44:00
  Speaker 1: from Luigi, but then and the body cam was on
• 44:03
  Speaker 1: and then it went off again and the bag was
• 44:07
  Speaker 1: gone and it was back with Luigi, and like the
• 44:08
  Speaker 1: cop turned around and went back, and like the phone
• 44:11
  Speaker 1: records showed that they were called like the officers called
• 44:14
  Speaker 1: each other a bunch. There was some weird stuff going on,
• 44:17
  Speaker 1: like the Karen Reid trial. Do you remember this, Like
• 44:19
  Speaker 1: there was some sort of weird cop phone record and
• 44:23
  Speaker 1: body cam inconsistencies with Luigi's arrest.
• 44:27
  Speaker 2: Me let me ask you something, just not about Luigian necessarily,
• 44:31
  Speaker 2: but when a police officer has bodycam, Yeah, it's supposed
• 44:37
  Speaker 2: to be on all the time, right, So when it
• 44:40
  Speaker 2: is not on and then it comes back on, yeah,
• 44:44
  Speaker 2: is there a reason? Ever? Like, what is your recourse
• 44:47
  Speaker 2: as a defense attorney?
• 44:48
  Speaker 1: Right? What I do is I use it as part
• 44:51
  Speaker 1: of my defense. Is like, Hello, this is suspiciously and
• 44:55
  Speaker 1: randomly turned off like at the key crucial moment when
• 44:58
  Speaker 1: the alleged issue curd whether it's an assault or whatever.
• 45:01
  Speaker 1: So that is how I use it, because you can
• 45:03
  Speaker 1: use the absence to so doubt with a judge or jury.
• 45:06
  Speaker 1: So that's how I use it. Okay, officers claim, yes,
• 45:10
  Speaker 1: wardrobe malfunction, right, they say they give the Jana Jackson.
• 45:14
  Speaker 1: They say, oh, it stopped working randomly at the crucial
• 45:17
  Speaker 1: moment that way, and it.
• 45:19
  Speaker 2: Came back on all of a sudden.
• 45:20
  Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly, literally, yes, And it's the same with dash
• 45:24
  Speaker 1: cam footage like that. That is like very much Okay, socialized.
• 45:27
  Speaker 2: And does that, But I'm just curious does that work?
• 45:30
  Speaker 2: Is that working?
• 45:31
  Speaker 1: It's working to keep them personally free of liability. Okay,
• 45:36
  Speaker 1: it's not necessarily working to like in the criminal proceedings
• 45:40
  Speaker 1: for that defendant.
• 45:41
  Speaker 2: I just wonder as a police officer, if you do
• 45:44
  Speaker 2: that multiple times, I mean, that's not really good job securities.
• 45:49
  Speaker 2: I mean, because you're making the same mistake over and
• 45:51
  Speaker 2: over again, and people are and I don't know because
• 45:55
  Speaker 2: of it, people are getting off or they're having to pay.
• 45:58
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I unfortunately think people are getting away with it
• 46:01
  Speaker 1: for a while. Okay, yeah, unfortunately.
• 46:03
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 46:04
  Speaker 1: I told you about that trial where all the evidence
• 46:06
  Speaker 1: was deleted from the police phones. They like turned them
• 46:09
  Speaker 1: in and then factory reset them. There was all this
• 46:11
  Speaker 1: evidence on the phone.
• 46:12
  Speaker 2: And then and what's so what happened we.
• 46:15
  Speaker 1: Went to trial? We were like, there's no evidence, we
• 46:18
  Speaker 1: only have witness testimony. So we got to go off
• 46:22
  Speaker 1: your case.
• 46:23
  Speaker 2: Are you able to say did it go? Okay? Okay, okay,
• 46:28
  Speaker 2: I just don't even understand how what it's like, what's.
• 46:31
  Speaker 1: Like glue, sorry, ADHD, Like what's.
• 46:36
  Speaker 2: Going on in the home, because what it feels like,
• 46:38
  Speaker 2: you know what I mean, Like, what the fuck is
• 46:40
  Speaker 2: going on?
• 46:41
  Speaker 1: What's happening in the precincts?
• 46:42
  Speaker 2: Happening who's in charge. It's just the whole thing just
• 46:47
  Speaker 2: reeks of such corruption. Yes, and and we know that
• 46:50
  Speaker 2: that's true, but it's just it's so it's obvious to
• 46:54
  Speaker 2: the point it's stupid.
• 46:55
  Speaker 1: Well, it's criminal. Defense attorneys have always have been on
• 47:01
  Speaker 1: the front lines of witnessing and going up against police corruption.
• 47:06
  Speaker 1: I think that's that's that tales oldest time, Like my
• 47:09
  Speaker 1: law professors were telling us stories from the seventies, right, Okay,
• 47:13
  Speaker 1: but yeah, I mean all these cases that you heard
• 47:15
  Speaker 1: about Miranda Rights, there was a mister Miranda No I know,
• 47:18
  Speaker 1: like there was a person that had to have rights
• 47:24
  Speaker 1: so violated that it then went to court to trial
• 47:27
  Speaker 1: all the way. They after him, they named it after
• 47:29
  Speaker 1: that Rice.
• 47:30
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 47:31
  Speaker 3: Is this like an attractive case to in a defense
• 47:33
  Speaker 3: attorney because there's so many like missteps.
• 47:36
  Speaker 1: In that Luigi trial? Yeah?
• 47:37
  Speaker 3: Or is it like something you want to stay away
• 47:39
  Speaker 3: from because you don't want to get a loss on
• 47:40
  Speaker 3: your record.
• 47:41
  Speaker 1: If this case weren't so high profile with Luigi and
• 47:43
  Speaker 1: I saw all these errors and this was crossing my desk,
• 47:47
  Speaker 1: I'd be like, this is a normal number of errors
• 47:52
  Speaker 1: in evidence, chain of custody in Miranda Rights violations. This
• 47:57
  Speaker 1: wouldn't keep me up at night with the rights violations.
• 48:00
  Speaker 1: Be like, yeah, this that makes.
• 48:01
  Speaker 2: Sense, Would you take it?
• 48:02
  Speaker 1: I always decide cases based off can I actually help?
• 48:07
  Speaker 1: Here is their work that I can do Where my
• 48:10
  Speaker 1: skills would actually help this person. It would depend on,
• 48:14
  Speaker 1: like the time in my life. It's a huge time commitment. Sure,
• 48:19
  Speaker 1: really expensive case to say yes to a case like that,
• 48:22
  Speaker 1: the Luigia you hat a side like if no one
• 48:24
  Speaker 1: knew who this was.
• 48:25
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what I'm saying.
• 48:27
  Speaker 1: This person's coming to and saying, will you defend me?
• 48:29
  Speaker 1: We're going to be working together for the next four years, okay, right,
• 48:33
  Speaker 1: Like that's so long, and that's with no appeal if
• 48:36
  Speaker 1: we lose, right, okay. So there's just so much that's
• 48:40
  Speaker 1: going to go into that. For me to take a
• 48:42
  Speaker 1: case like that, it would have to be for your salary.
• 48:47
  Speaker 1: That's going to be majority of my time going into
• 48:49
  Speaker 1: that case. You know that's without the public profile thing.
• 48:52
  Speaker 1: But I do think a lawyer taking that case right now,
• 48:55
  Speaker 1: with the public profile stuff, that'll make your career.
• 48:58
  Speaker 2: You can hang your hat or break it.
• 49:00
  Speaker 1: You get so much exposure from a trial like that,
• 49:03
  Speaker 1: What if you really I mean, if you beef it, yeah, absolutely.
• 49:08
  Speaker 1: But if you do a decent job, you've got a
• 49:11
  Speaker 1: lot of press conferences, You're getting a lot of camera time. Yeah,
• 49:15
  Speaker 1: I think a lot of lawyers would jump at that case.
• 49:17
  Speaker 2: I wonder who's paying them? Does Luigi have any money?
• 49:20
  Speaker 1: I think he does, right, who's paying them?
• 49:23
  Speaker 2: I always wonder that, Yeah, I always wonder who's saying
• 49:26
  Speaker 2: who's paying like, especially if it's you know.
• 49:29
  Speaker 1: A lot of people going to debt.
• 49:30
  Speaker 2: No, I know, but you also can get blood from
• 49:33
  Speaker 2: a rock, right. So if I only have one hundred
• 49:36
  Speaker 2: dollars and you're in your fee is two hundred dollars,
• 49:38
  Speaker 2: I'm out of luck. Right, Yeah, So, like everything else,
• 49:42
  Speaker 2: if you do not have the resources at your disposal,
• 49:47
  Speaker 2: does that mean that you are not going to get
• 49:50
  Speaker 2: a defense that you deserve?
• 49:53
  Speaker 1: Well? I love the public defender offices, but I.
• 49:56
  Speaker 2: Also like but their time, yes, and the and they
• 50:01
  Speaker 2: investigator around, right exactly.
• 50:03
  Speaker 1: I also think a lot about a case like this.
• 50:07
  Speaker 1: I live in an echo chamber. I've admitted this so
• 50:09
  Speaker 1: many times. So many people in my little internet world
• 50:15
  Speaker 1: are not condemning Luigi's behavior. I think is maybe like
• 50:18
  Speaker 1: the nicest way I'll put it, Yeah, the most palatable
• 50:22
  Speaker 1: way to put it. Yeah, there's a lot of this
• 50:24
  Speaker 1: person's martyrdom, yes of Luigi. I wonder what I'm not
• 50:29
  Speaker 1: hearing outside that echo chamber. What is the conversation about
• 50:33
  Speaker 1: Luigi and everyday American home that.
• 50:38
  Speaker 2: Isn't my I mean I've heard some you know, I
• 50:41
  Speaker 2: mean it's and it's all the things that you would
• 50:44
  Speaker 2: expect to hear.
• 50:46
  Speaker 1: Is it pro United Healthcare? Is it?
• 50:48
  Speaker 2: It's not, it's not, it's not pro United. I have
• 50:51
  Speaker 2: not heard that. I have not heard pro United Healthcare.
• 50:53
  Speaker 2: I've heard more like this feels like a very sort
• 50:56
  Speaker 2: of liberal person thing to do.
• 50:58
  Speaker 1: There's a right way to do there's a right.
• 51:00
  Speaker 2: Way and a wrong way to do this. You which
• 51:04
  Speaker 2: I understand you are not permitted to decide to somebody. Yeah,
• 51:10
  Speaker 2: you're supposed to do things like that. I've heard a
• 51:13
  Speaker 2: lot of that. I have not heard anything about pro
• 51:17
  Speaker 2: United health Care though, I mean who I mean, no, no, no, no,
• 51:22
  Speaker 2: But we're not we're not saying it's okay to kill
• 51:26
  Speaker 2: somebody who works for this organization.
• 51:29
  Speaker 1: Like, oh, they approved my claim self, I had.
• 51:35
  Speaker 2: I've never had a problem. They approved, they approved my
• 51:38
  Speaker 2: sleep study. They didn't. You know what I'm saying, I'm
• 51:43
  Speaker 2: still walking the floors at night because they will pay
• 51:48
  Speaker 2: for my sleep study.
• 51:49
  Speaker 1: Goddamn it.
• 51:51
  Speaker 2: But do you know what I'm saying? And like, you know,
• 51:53
  Speaker 2: and health insurance companies are notorious for doing things like this,
• 51:56
  Speaker 2: Like yeah, and I know I talk about my weight
• 51:58
  Speaker 2: loss surgery a lot, but it was a it was
• 52:00
  Speaker 2: a big thing that happened to me. But they were
• 52:04
  Speaker 2: willing to pay. My health insurance company was willing to
• 52:08
  Speaker 2: pay for my surgery. But none of the none of
• 52:12
  Speaker 2: the fallout from it. Right, So, like after you've lost
• 52:15
  Speaker 2: all that weight, there's like all this skin that is
• 52:19
  Speaker 2: considered cosmetic.
• 52:20
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 52:21
  Speaker 2: If you lose a tooth, right, then it's in the
• 52:25
  Speaker 2: back to get that replaced cosmetic. Do you see what
• 52:29
  Speaker 2: I'm saying? No, no, no, no, no, not me. I'm talking
• 52:33
  Speaker 2: about all the things that could happen to a person. No, no, no,
• 52:37
  Speaker 2: there are all these things that can happen to somebody.
• 52:39
  Speaker 2: If you get into an accident and you have a scar,
• 52:43
  Speaker 2: they stitch up the scar, the scar itself. If you
• 52:45
  Speaker 2: want to get that fixed, that is cosmetic, right, Never
• 52:49
  Speaker 2: mind that you don't want to be somebody with a
• 52:51
  Speaker 2: big scar in your face. How traumatizing that could be? Right?
• 52:56
  Speaker 2: Why is mental health so hard to Yeah? Why do
• 53:01
  Speaker 2: you only get five sessions a year or whatever it
• 53:04
  Speaker 2: is or your PT? This is what I'm saying. Yeah, so, oh.
• 53:08
  Speaker 1: My god, I need a pet so bad. I paid
• 53:11
  Speaker 1: for that shit out of pocket for so long. But
• 53:14
  Speaker 1: but and it was it was worth it for me
• 53:16
  Speaker 1: and I could afford it. But let me tell you,
• 53:19
  Speaker 1: it was like the only thing that helped me after
• 53:21
  Speaker 1: I busted my feet and was in those boots and crutches,
• 53:25
  Speaker 1: back blown out from crutching around America biking in an
• 53:29
  Speaker 1: orthopedic boot.
• 53:31
  Speaker 2: I don't know that you should have been doing that.
• 53:33
  Speaker 1: I told you I didn't do the kick line anymore
• 53:35
  Speaker 1: for the Rocket, And they said, sir, yes, please stop
• 53:39
  Speaker 1: coming to Radio City Music Hall.
• 53:41
  Speaker 2: We don't work here.
• 53:42
  Speaker 1: We don't work. We don't know you stop auditioning. You're
• 53:46
  Speaker 1: too old.
• 53:48
  Speaker 2: We don't go here.
• 53:49
  Speaker 1: You can hear your hip clicking during the kick line.
• 53:52
  Speaker 2: But I'm just saying though, like, honestly, it's it's the
• 53:57
  Speaker 2: get a hold of yours stupid I'm sorry, but but
• 54:01
  Speaker 2: that's what I'm saying. It is you know there are
• 54:04
  Speaker 2: things that you need. Like I told you, I've reached
• 54:08
  Speaker 2: out to this guy, but he that's social worker. I
• 54:11
  Speaker 2: told you guys about whose job it is that he's
• 54:13
  Speaker 2: sort of fighting with the insurance. Come my god, and
• 54:16
  Speaker 2: it's horrible. Yes, this is something. You know. This person
• 54:19
  Speaker 2: has cancer. Everyone says that they have cancer.
• 54:21
  Speaker 1: They need this treatment in the hospital bed, trying to
• 54:24
  Speaker 1: call to get their things approved before and.
• 54:25
  Speaker 2: They're saying no, because you know, we needed to be
• 54:29
  Speaker 2: warded this exactly. You know this person is dying. So
• 54:33
  Speaker 2: I don't. I don't. I have not heard anyone who
• 54:36
  Speaker 2: is pro health insurance company.
• 54:40
  Speaker 1: I'm being nicer to Brad now because I'm honest. Insurance.
• 54:44
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you better.
• 54:45
  Speaker 1: I'm doing the dishes. I'm taking the energy the dishes.
• 54:48
  Speaker 2: I'm like, you better cook all the meals. Yeah yeah,
• 54:54
  Speaker 2: be nice.
• 54:54
  Speaker 1: I'm like, can you send me that claim for him? Sweetie, honey,
• 54:58
  Speaker 1: we come hither.
• 54:59
  Speaker 2: Look, I'll do that thing that you like.
• 55:05
  Speaker 1: My mother in law listen said the show, let's take
• 55:07
  Speaker 1: a break.
• 55:09
  Speaker 2: She knows that you guys do.
• 55:12
  Speaker 1: Welcome back to Brief Recess. This his tales from the DMS.
• 55:15
  Speaker 1: We're going to read all the wicked and wild, freaky, deeky,
• 55:18
  Speaker 1: sick and twisted, salty and sweet things. You send us
• 55:22
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• 55:24
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• 55:28
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• 55:30
  Speaker 1: you want no one else to read, you can send
• 55:33
  Speaker 1: it to Melissa.
• 55:35
  Speaker 2: Love messy stuff. I love it.
• 55:37
  Speaker 1: I love Remember the guy in the penitentiary who was
• 55:40
  Speaker 1: hooking up with the guy who murdered the gay guy
• 55:43
  Speaker 1: who used the gay panic.
• 55:44
  Speaker 2: Big Gay Josh shout out to big Gay Joe allegedly
• 55:47
  Speaker 2: allegedly exactly right.
• 55:49
  Speaker 1: Karen texted me she wants us to say.
• 55:51
  Speaker 2: Lest allegedly Anyway, friends, what do I always say? While
• 55:56
  Speaker 2: Michael is a lawyer, he's not your lawyer, so you
• 56:00
  Speaker 2: should get your own.
• 56:01
  Speaker 1: Did someone you said someone recognize you and quoted that
• 56:03
  Speaker 1: to you?
• 56:04
  Speaker 2: So I was talking to somebody and somebody said that
• 56:07
  Speaker 2: to me. Yeah. They were just like, oh, oh, let
• 56:10
  Speaker 2: me guess while Michael is a lay and then they
• 56:14
  Speaker 2: what's really funny is that they did what I guess
• 56:17
  Speaker 2: they think is a New York accent, And I was like,
• 56:19
  Speaker 2: do I sound like that?
• 56:22
  Speaker 1: Maybe it's like Joey back at donuts. Yes, anyway, okay,
• 56:27
  Speaker 1: all right, TikTok comments on Inner monologues. Wow, we're reading
• 56:31
  Speaker 1: the TikTok comments on our videos. Ikey says, Ikey CJ.
• 56:36
  Speaker 1: Don't make me breathe.
• 56:39
  Speaker 2: Oh my likeness.
• 56:40
  Speaker 1: Ikey says, I don't have one. I still have thoughts
• 56:43
  Speaker 1: and a conscience. It's just quiet. There's no voice talking
• 56:47
  Speaker 1: to me. If I want, I can choose to play
• 56:49
  Speaker 1: a song or hear someone's voice in my head, but
• 56:52
  Speaker 1: it's a conscious recall. Oh how nice it must be,
• 56:56
  Speaker 1: Ikey to be able to tune out the voices in
• 56:58
  Speaker 1: your head.
• 56:59
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I I I'm still finding that fascinating, right because
• 57:05
  Speaker 2: it never stops in my head.
• 57:07
  Speaker 1: I'm just swearing all constantly.
• 57:12
  Speaker 2: But but also I'm also like remembering random things that
• 57:16
  Speaker 2: happened to me in like the sixth grade or like.
• 57:19
  Speaker 1: So I think this is one of those things where
• 57:21
  Speaker 1: like where actually the problem and Ikey's living it up.
• 57:25
  Speaker 1: Ikey's having their shout out to Ikey was thinking, clearly,
• 57:31
  Speaker 1: I don't have.
• 57:32
  Speaker 2: One, and I still have Okay, I don't. I don't
• 57:35
  Speaker 2: understand a lot of.
• 57:37
  Speaker 1: People gravitated towards the inner monologue coming.
• 57:39
  Speaker 2: Oh wait, but there's a it's a whole thread with Ikey.
• 57:43
  Speaker 1: Oh wow.
• 57:44
  Speaker 2: Oh hold on, so oh well, let's just let's to
• 57:47
  Speaker 2: this dialogue.
• 57:48
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 57:48
  Speaker 2: So you want to be Ikey and I'll be all
• 57:50
  Speaker 2: the other I'm.
• 57:51
  Speaker 1: Going to be reading for the role of Ikey. I
• 57:54
  Speaker 1: don't have one. I still have thoughts on a conscience.
• 57:57
  Speaker 1: It's just quiet. There's no voice. I can choose to
• 58:00
  Speaker 1: play a song or hear someone's voice, but it's recall interesting.
• 58:03
  Speaker 2: So when you're reading, you don't hear voice saying the
• 58:06
  Speaker 2: words either. Also, thank you for sharing, Jess perk me too.
• 58:10
  Speaker 2: I can turn it on and off, but I always
• 58:12
  Speaker 2: hear my voice in my head when I read to
• 58:14
  Speaker 2: myself though thumbs up emoji.
• 58:16
  Speaker 1: Back to Aki, No problem. Yes, it's just silence in there, haha.
• 58:20
  Speaker 1: I visualize what's happening in the book, though, V Well,
• 58:24
  Speaker 1: that just sounds like normal. What visualizing what's happening in
• 58:28
  Speaker 1: a book, I think is what I don't want to.
• 58:30
  Speaker 1: There's no such thing as a normal person. But I
• 58:32
  Speaker 1: do feel like I do that you don't. I do
• 58:36
  Speaker 1: visualize a book when I'm reading.
• 58:37
  Speaker 2: It, sure, but are you do you hear the words
• 58:41
  Speaker 2: in your head?
• 58:42
  Speaker 1: I'm hearing and seeing the meaning of the words.
• 58:45
  Speaker 2: I'm hearing the words.
• 58:46
  Speaker 1: I'm not like letter letter, letter, letter, letters, space work.
• 58:50
  Speaker 2: I feel like I'm like word, word word word, space,
• 58:56
  Speaker 2: she said. He said word we're thinking about. No, I
• 58:59
  Speaker 2: know it takes all kinds of fri You broke me.
• 59:02
  Speaker 2: I know it broke me. V says, I'm curious, how
• 59:06
  Speaker 2: do you predict? This is what I'm saying. I'm curious,
• 59:08
  Speaker 2: how do you predict things? Like my running monologue? Lets
• 59:10
  Speaker 2: me know how I'm doing hungry, sad, bored, or if
• 59:13
  Speaker 2: it's unclear and I need to pause and figure it out.
• 59:17
  Speaker 2: What I'm noticing beauty, danger, weird smell. The weird smell
• 59:22
  Speaker 2: is a big one for me. Okay, I'm always I
• 59:26
  Speaker 2: who said, do you smell that? And he's like, I
• 59:28
  Speaker 2: don't smell anything. I'm like, you don't smell that, And
• 59:30
  Speaker 2: I will walk around until I.
• 59:32
  Speaker 1: Find pride in Brooklyn this past weekend.
• 59:35
  Speaker 2: It was pride in Brooklyn this weekend.
• 59:37
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and it smelled like it. And that's all I'm
• 59:40
  Speaker 1: gonna say.
• 59:41
  Speaker 2: That's what I'm thinking. Like that, the monologue in.
• 59:43
  Speaker 1: My head is like, okay, So Ikey says I do
• 59:46
  Speaker 1: all those too. It's just silence. No one's telling me anything.
• 59:51
  Speaker 1: I suppose it's more of a mental checklist. I keep.
• 59:53
  Speaker 1: It's very difficult to articulate.
• 59:55
  Speaker 2: Rachel how O, and then Michael Foot says, that's so cool.
• 59:59
  Speaker 2: I'm jealous. Lol.
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I guess you know. I do stay up quite
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 1: late and enter the comment sections on my own videos.
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 2: Sometimes I've been getting in trouble on threads.
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 1: I don't know how to use threads.
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 2: It's like Twitter.
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 1: It's like Twitter, but in threads.
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 2: Okay, I've been getting in trouble on threads.
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 1: Okay, So I'm still confused about internal monologues. But thank
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 1: you Icky for giving us.
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 2: Lisa Feris Stokes, it's so exhausting, Yeah, having a monologue, yes,
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 2: because it's because it never it never stops. For me,
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 2: it never stops. It's constant.
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 1: Well, I've been meditating a lot. I've been trying to
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 1: meditate every day, twice a day, that is, but it's
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 1: still there.
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 2: I could not. I would try. It's really very hard. Yeah.
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I've got an app, but then they stole all
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 1: my data and then I entered a class action lawsuit
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 1: and then they paid me for like four hundred dollars.
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 2: You got four hundred dollars. Yeah, I was in a
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 2: class action lawsuit and I feel like it was for
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 2: like a bad hair product. Then I think in the
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 2: end I got like three dollars.
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 1: And usually something like that. So when I got it,
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 1: I was like, Wow, they really must have done something
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 1: nefarious or my data. There's definitely like stole my passport
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 1: or something. Anyway, all right, we got an email about
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 1: the Transracialism episode.
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 2: Oh we did.
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I'll read it as a white man. The Transracialism
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 1: episode was amazing from beginning to end. Okay, I was
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 1: so mad during that interview. People came up to me
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 1: at a bar a couple of weeks ago and they
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 1: were like, we heard the Transracialism episode and were you
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 1: angry because you sounded pissed off? And I have to
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 1: tell you I was no.
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 2: I know you were some function I so a. I
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 2: knew you were mad because I know Michael.
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 1: Don't come on my show and say something stupid shit. Well,
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 1: I'm sorry.
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 2: I guess I think I think what I wish. What
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 2: I wish was that I don't know if the person
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 2: who no, no, no, no. I don't know if if
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 2: she was nervous or whatever. I just felt like the
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 2: her argument for me, don't look at me like her argument,
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 2: her argument for me, it was not holding up for
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 2: me and I and I and I kind of wanted
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 2: it to because I wanted to be I wanted to
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 2: be proved wrong, you know what I mean? Because and
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 2: I still cannot understand why my reaction was such like
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 2: I was just like, what but when I think about
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 2: trans people, that is not the reaction that I have
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 2: and I and I still can't. For me, I can't
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 2: rationalize why I feel so opposed to those two things.
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 2: But yeah, no, and other people were like michael'sunded mad.
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 2: I'm like he was mad. I think it's I think
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 2: it was. You know, anybody who either knows you or
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 2: has been paying attention, don't use.
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 1: The trans community as your excuse to say some.
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 2: Well you like you didn't you weren't buying it, and
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 2: you start to shut down.
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 1: I wasn't like it's okay to come at me with
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 1: like a very obscure argument that you're okay, but don't
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 1: angle it against the existence of trans people.
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 2: That is where I'm like, do you think that's what
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 2: she was doing.
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 1: I think that the argument really fell apart when she
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 1: couldn't compare it to trans people, right, yes, yeah. And
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 1: that's when I was like, okay, well, when you have
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 1: something that holds it up that isn't trans people, come
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 1: to me and I'm happy to hear it out. But
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 1: until then, I'm shutting down Michael. I kept being like
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 1: at a frame, and that's why if you rewatched that,
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 1: it's all Melissa all the time.
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 2: And at some point I'm looking at Michael like, all right.
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 1: Well that was us an Afferman interview.
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 2: Well that was different.
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 1: That was so funny. It was that we had to
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 1: tag in and out because I kept giggling, and then
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 1: you'd take it over, and then when you started giggling,
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 1: I'd take it over. I loved it so much. It
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 1: was so much fun.
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 2: But we knew that we had lost all control the
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 2: moment the moment it started. Said he's in his car,
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 2: in his car and he can't figure out how to
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 2: do whatever.
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 1: You can't get on zoom.
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 2: Yeah, he couldn't get on Zoom because they had to
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 2: download it. He didn't have the app.
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 1: And that was when I was like his first interview
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 1: ever the place, the first interview with that.
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 2: I know, but he was it was he was such
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 2: a good time.
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 1: Poor person's listening, like Michael read my email already. Okay,
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 1: trans Racialism episode was amazing. The Lemon revenge story had
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 1: me doing my best good for her. Lucille Bluth, I lived,
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 1: thank you. I lived in Michigan, not far from where
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 1: Jonathan Schmidt's murdered Scott i'm a Dore in nineteen ninety five.
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 1: We were just talking about this. I was in college
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 1: and very active in the LGBT rights movement. Everyone, I
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 1: mean everyone thought Schmid's was a closeted queer. Again, please
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 1: don't sue me. This is all very alleged and allgi
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 1: a legend personally alleged for the show, alleged for exactly right,
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 1: Alleged for Karen and Georgia, alleged from Melissa.
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 2: Allegend.
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, everyone, everyone, everyone's allegend here. Ten Toe's down,
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 1: ten little tutsis down, leg O'Ryan. Michigan is a very
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 1: conservative area, as is the bulk of Oakland County. We
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 1: all understood gay panic to mean panicking because you have
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 1: gay feelings. Wow, Okay, that's so interesting.
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 2: It is interesting.
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 1: This was not a time or place where straight men
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 1: had gay friends. It just wasn't like that. Wow, believe
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 1: big kay Josh's alleged story.
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 2: I love that they say that.
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 1: They said that, Oh yeah, we don't know who wrote
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 1: this in and knew what it was allegedly. Okay, thank
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 1: you so much.
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 2: For someone's paying attention.
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 1: You for protecting me. Knew what it was allegedly going
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 1: to be before you even read it, because that was
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 1: always the assumption since nineteen ninety five. Wow, I mean
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 1: talk about hanging out with gay people and yeah, you couldn't,
• 1:06:01
  Speaker 1: like it was straight guys just didn't have gay friends.
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 1: And I guess we have one gay friend who he's
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 1: he's our little mascot, and we take him with us. Okay,
• 1:06:13
  Speaker 1: it's educational for him with you. Yeah, it's kind of
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 1: like a national geographic tour for him. You know when
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 1: they do those cruises sometimes you could see the Pelicans.
• 1:06:23
  Speaker 1: It's like that when we take him to Brooklyn Pride and.
• 1:06:26
  Speaker 2: Who's who are the pelicans in this situation?
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 1: Us me and we're teaching what an apperall sprit says,
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 1: you know, like it's it's very that.
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 2: By the way, so they're disgusting my cousin. So I
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 2: was actually really like touched and surprised. Shout out to Nino,
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 2: who apparently listens to us and sent me a picture
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 2: of he and his wife drinking aparaol sprits is and
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 2: he was like, they're really good, Misa. I know.
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 1: Okay, three seems like really educational about internal monologue. So
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 1: do you want to do we trade off paragraphs. It's
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 1: a little long, but it seems like they really come
• 1:06:59
  Speaker 1: out of.
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 2: Okay, Hello, Melissa, Michael Love Love Love the podcast site. Disclaimer,
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 2: I am not a psychologist. I'm sure you'll get a
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 2: ton of emails about this. We did, but I had
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 2: to write in I'm one of the ten percent question
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 2: mark of people who doesn't have an internal monologue. That
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 2: doesn't mean that I don't have thoughts. Y'all are equating
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 2: having an internal didn't we do this already?
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 1: No? Okay, just everyone has thoughts about this.
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 2: Y'all are equating having an internal monologue with thinking. But
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 2: an internal monologue or thinking in a scheme of words,
• 1:07:32
  Speaker 2: is just one type of thinking.
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 1: I have thoughts. I'm thinking all the time. I like
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 1: to think. I have a conscience in ethics. Lol.
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 2: I love that they said lol, because maybe.
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 1: It's someone who follows me and that's how they got here,
• 1:07:45
  Speaker 1: because that is definitely someone who know what they would say.
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 1: I think about the decisions I make. I just don't
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 1: think in words. It's not a voice. I think a picture, sensation, sounds, impulses, interesting, fascinating.
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 1: So it's just like a non literary brain. I don't know.
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 1: I don't know how to describe that. But anyway, a
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 1: thought doesn't occur to me in the language. It's a
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 1: single moment. Bam. Oh, I thought they meant Brooklyn Academy music.
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  Speaker 2: Oh my god.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, maybe I'm the one with like a disrupted internal
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  Speaker 1: monologue thought bam, another thought. It's really hard to describe
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  Speaker 1: because again it's not thought in language, but I'm thinking constantly.
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  Speaker 1: I guess it's just like non right.
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  Speaker 2: But I think we had talked about this the other day,
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  Speaker 2: and I think that even if it's not an internal monologue, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: if you are having images and such coming through your head,
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  Speaker 2: I think it is a sort of internal monologue.
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  Speaker 1: I think when we heard internal monologue, we thought of
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  Speaker 1: just blank.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Space. I was worried that it's like in when when
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  Speaker 1: they kill the last hor Crux and he goes to
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  Speaker 1: the train station and it's all white. That's what I
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  Speaker 1: thought it was, And now we're learning it's very no.
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  Speaker 2: How could it be that because there was something going
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  Speaker 2: on in the in the what was it was in
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  Speaker 2: the train station. There was something going on.
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  Speaker 1: There was no spoilers?
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  Speaker 2: Oh sorry, do you know what I'm saying? So I
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  Speaker 2: think that I just could not understand what is it
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  Speaker 2: if you don't have an internal monologue, an internal voice, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: or images or sounds or whatever what's happening. But there's
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  Speaker 2: a lot happening.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, this person think critical thinking. They got a PhD
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  Speaker 1: in literature. I was also pretty good math and science,
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  Speaker 1: very visual thinker, and I tend to process thoughts internally,
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  Speaker 1: not outloud. I'm a terble driver. But I don't think
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  Speaker 1: it's like a minner monologue. Last point, it's a myth
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  Speaker 1: that people without internal monologues can have anxiety, depression, or
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  Speaker 1: other forms of mentalness, which is what I was hoping
• 1:09:50
  Speaker 1: for all of you, right. I sometimes hear from people, man,
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  Speaker 1: I'm jealous. I yeah, but it's not empty up there.
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  Speaker 1: It's full of be like everyone else. It just doesn't
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  Speaker 1: come to me as a voice. It's like images. Oh interesting, okay.
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  Speaker 2: But I but again, I think that just because it's
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  Speaker 2: not a voice like chatter chatter chatter, right, the fact
• 1:10:11
  Speaker 2: that there are images, it's like a flip book, right, yeah,
• 1:10:14
  Speaker 2: which is not the same but parallel.
• 1:10:17
  Speaker 1: Yeah right, yeah. What about synesthesia? Have you heard of this? Okay,
• 1:10:21
  Speaker 1: it's when it's not in our notes. But it's like
• 1:10:24
  Speaker 1: when people hear music, they like see the color purple. Oh,
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  Speaker 1: it's like a mental condition. I don't think it's like
• 1:10:31
  Speaker 1: a disorder. I think it's like just a mental condition.
• 1:10:35
  Speaker 1: Are they like taste something when they hear music or
• 1:10:39
  Speaker 1: they just have like their senses are just like connected
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  Speaker 1: in a different way.
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  Speaker 2: So right in, if you have.
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  Speaker 1: Synesthesia, and explain it to me, because I do think
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  Speaker 1: I'm getting it wrong.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, So I was going to say so that if
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  Speaker 2: you are so, if you're in a concert.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, like it only splotches of different colors.
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  Speaker 2: There's just a lot. There's just so much. It is
• 1:11:02
  Speaker 2: so hard to be alive.
• 1:11:04
  Speaker 1: You have sent a sizah and you look at the
• 1:11:06
  Speaker 1: reflecting pool and do you see what color? Do you see.
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  Speaker 2: Or do you hear music when you see the algae? Like?
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  Speaker 2: And what is it? Is it like creepy music?
• 1:11:17
  Speaker 1: What did they say about the algae and the reflection pool?
• 1:11:20
  Speaker 1: It's the first president to get outsmarted by a single
• 1:11:23
  Speaker 1: cell organism. God, oh, we got them all right. We
• 1:11:30
  Speaker 1: made the camera guy's lab. Let's get out of here. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: that was tales from the DMS. Be sure to write
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  Speaker 2: Yeah not me though, never me.
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