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With Great Power #275... 22 Panels with Miguel Vila · 22 Panels - A Comic Book Podcast

0:02
Tad Eggleston: Good evening, everybody. Welcome back to 22 Panels. My guest today is the Italian cartoonist Miguel Villa.
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Tad Eggleston: Author of the forthcoming Comfortless, which comes out Wednesday, so just about the time… I think this episode will go up Monday night, maybe as early as tomorrow. So, anybody who listens to it right away, get to your comic shop on Wednesday. Otherwise, the book's probably in the store. Miguel?
0:31
Tad Eggleston: How are you doing today?
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DO54fZHh0mgwdiu9GgAAGAAAAGYGj2BT6KTC0a9QFUbXUtFs3xEvFdyI1TPFqBBYu/DLPHkafehHEGY=: Hello, I'm fine. Thank you for inviting me.
0:35
Tad Eggleston: Yeah, absolutely. I… I love your work. I enjoyed, I didn't get to Comfortless until yesterday, because Tucker's been giving me so many books from Phantographics, and I have so many other comics to read that.
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DO54fZHh0mgwdiu9GgAAGAAAAGYGj2BT6KTC0a9QFUbXUtFs3xEvFdyI1TPFqBBYu/DLPHkafehHEGY=: like…
0:49
Tad Eggleston: staying on top of them all is difficult, but I enjoyed it, and I read Milky Way when it came out as well, and enjoyed that.
0:57
DO54fZHh0mgwdiu9GgAAGAAAAGYGj2BT6KTC0a9QFUbXUtFs3xEvFdyI1TPFqBBYu/DLPHkafehHEGY=: Quite a bit.
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Tad Eggleston: So, I want to start out, just because Comfortless is the book in the stores, what's the front counter pitch? How would you sell this to somebody?
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Tad Eggleston: If they came into your shop and were looking for something to buy, or said, what do you know about this book?
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Tad Eggleston: I mean, obviously.
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DO54fZHh0mgwdiu9GgAAGAAAAGYGj2BT6KTC0a9QFUbXUtFs3xEvFdyI1TPFqBBYu/DLPHkafehHEGY=: I will say,
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DO54fZHh0mgwdiu9GgAAGAAAAGYGj2BT6KTC0a9QFUbXUtFs3xEvFdyI1TPFqBBYu/DLPHkafehHEGY=: In a few words, it's a collection of short stories about the outskirts, some people from the outskirts of,
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DO54fZHh0mgwdiu9GgAAGAAAAGYGj2BT6KTC0a9QFUbXUtFs3xEvFdyI1TPFqBBYu/DLPHkafehHEGY=: I might say, like, Venice, the…
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DO54fZHh0mgwdiu9GgAAGAAAAGYGj2BT6KTC0a9QFUbXUtFs3xEvFdyI1TPFqBBYu/DLPHkafehHEGY=: in northeast Italy, and it's all involved, It's,
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DO54fZHh0mgwdiu9GgAAGAAAAGYGj2BT6KTC0a9QFUbXUtFs3xEvFdyI1TPFqBBYu/DLPHkafehHEGY=: more about, the COVID, the COVID years.
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DO54fZHh0mgwdiu9GgAAGAAAAGYGj2BT6KTC0a9QFUbXUtFs3xEvFdyI1TPFqBBYu/DLPHkafehHEGY=: So, the emergency, and what we felt mostly in Italy.
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DO54fZHh0mgwdiu9GgAAGAAAAGYGj2BT6KTC0a9QFUbXUtFs3xEvFdyI1TPFqBBYu/DLPHkafehHEGY=: and also other different, emergencies. Current… emergencies, in the world.
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DO54fZHh0mgwdiu9GgAAGAAAAGYGj2BT6KTC0a9QFUbXUtFs3xEvFdyI1TPFqBBYu/DLPHkafehHEGY=: Very, how do you say?
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DO54fZHh0mgwdiu9GgAAGAAAAGYGj2BT6KTC0a9QFUbXUtFs3xEvFdyI1TPFqBBYu/DLPHkafehHEGY=: who succeeded the COVID, and someone that might be, like, possible, between possible and current things we might say right now, and…
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Tad Eggleston: Right.
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DO54fZHh0mgwdiu9GgAAGAAAAGYGj2BT6KTC0a9QFUbXUtFs3xEvFdyI1TPFqBBYu/DLPHkafehHEGY=: It's just about the fear of these things we are, like, feeling right now, by now, in this year.
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Tad Eggleston: Well, I'll add to that, just because I read it and loved it, that it really…
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Tad Eggleston: It balances the need for Personal safety and belonging, with the need for community safety.
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Tad Eggleston: Which I think was a lot of the struggle for the pandemic, but I think is also a struggle
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Tad Eggleston: For other things as you put them up, like, how do you balance what you need to be safe and comfortable, which makes the title also brilliant, with what,
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Tad Eggleston: What is appropriate to keep the community,
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Tad Eggleston: safe and comfortable. I'm gonna prep listeners that we prepared questions in advance, just to make it easier to deal with the language barrier, because I don't speak Italian at all.
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Tad Eggleston: And… and you speak English very well, but…
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DO54fZHh0mgwdiu9GgAAGAAAAGYGj2BT6KTC0a9QFUbXUtFs3xEvFdyI1TPFqBBYu/DLPHkafehHEGY=: Thank you.
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Tad Eggleston: It'll allow you to read in advance.
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DO54fZHh0mgwdiu9GgAAGAAAAGYGj2BT6KTC0a9QFUbXUtFs3xEvFdyI1TPFqBBYu/DLPHkafehHEGY=: Yeah, it's very hard to…
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DO54fZHh0mgwdiu9GgAAGAAAAGYGj2BT6KTC0a9QFUbXUtFs3xEvFdyI1TPFqBBYu/DLPHkafehHEGY=: to explain things that I might do easily in Italy, but in English, it's all different, because all the terms are different, so…
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Tad Eggleston: Right, right.
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Tad Eggleston: So… One of the questions that I wrote…
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Tad Eggleston: This morning… that I think this plays directly into is…
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Tad Eggleston: You begin with the pandemic, and then you continue through other… fictional international emergencies.
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Tad Eggleston: And as I just said, you really find that balance between people meeting their daily
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Tad Eggleston: needs and desires, and acting to promote that greater public safety, health, and wellness.
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Tad Eggleston: when you were… when I was reading it, I didn't just think of that during the pandemic, I think of all the ways that that plays into, like, our day-to-day lives, because we saw it a little bit in your characters, too, in terms of the ones that were, even when there wasn't an emergency, more…
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Tad Eggleston: more selfish versus more giving. So when you were making this story, were you thinking.
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Tad Eggleston: Mostly about the literal aspects of, in times of emergency, how do we step up? Who steps up?
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Tad Eggleston: how do you balance? Because I don't even love saying step up, because I don't like to…
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Tad Eggleston: People have their own needs. I don't like to think of people as too selfish, because they…
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Tad Eggleston: have trouble being alone. Being alone is hard.
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Tad Eggleston: Yup.
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Tad Eggleston: Or were you intentionally creating that metaphor for the fact that we have that balance all the time?
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DO54fZHh0mgwdiu9GgAAGAAAAGYGj2BT6KTC0a9QFUbXUtFs3xEvFdyI1TPFqBBYu/DLPHkafehHEGY=: It's a very, interesting question.
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DO54fZHh0mgwdiu9GgAAGAAAAGYGj2BT6KTC0a9QFUbXUtFs3xEvFdyI1TPFqBBYu/DLPHkafehHEGY=: But, I think,
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DO54fZHh0mgwdiu9GgAAGAAAAGYGj2BT6KTC0a9QFUbXUtFs3xEvFdyI1TPFqBBYu/DLPHkafehHEGY=: I must say, first, when I… when I make a story, I don't always think what I'm going to say. I mean, what message can I say to the people who reads me?
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DO54fZHh0mgwdiu9GgAAGAAAAGYGj2BT6KTC0a9QFUbXUtFs3xEvFdyI1TPFqBBYu/DLPHkafehHEGY=: And it's something that might come… comes out, that might come out, spontaneously.
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DO54fZHh0mgwdiu9GgAAGAAAAGYGj2BT6KTC0a9QFUbXUtFs3xEvFdyI1TPFqBBYu/DLPHkafehHEGY=: And maybe later, I will think about this, I will see myself, what I…
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DO54fZHh0mgwdiu9GgAAGAAAAGYGj2BT6KTC0a9QFUbXUtFs3xEvFdyI1TPFqBBYu/DLPHkafehHEGY=: what I said with this book.
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DO54fZHh0mgwdiu9GgAAGAAAAGYGj2BT6KTC0a9QFUbXUtFs3xEvFdyI1TPFqBBYu/DLPHkafehHEGY=: But I think, what the book says, it's about, I mean, the comfort, the people,
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DO54fZHh0mgwdiu9GgAAGAAAAGYGj2BT6KTC0a9QFUbXUtFs3xEvFdyI1TPFqBBYu/DLPHkafehHEGY=: have, how do you say in English, for granted, maybe?
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DO54fZHh0mgwdiu9GgAAGAAAAGYGj2BT6KTC0a9QFUbXUtFs3xEvFdyI1TPFqBBYu/DLPHkafehHEGY=: The people from the Western world, like us, and… Right.
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DO54fZHh0mgwdiu9GgAAGAAAAGYGj2BT6KTC0a9QFUbXUtFs3xEvFdyI1TPFqBBYu/DLPHkafehHEGY=: after the COVID, we had, like, this kind of insecurity. Now we felt like not everything is for granted, like,
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DO54fZHh0mgwdiu9GgAAGAAAAGYGj2BT6KTC0a9QFUbXUtFs3xEvFdyI1TPFqBBYu/DLPHkafehHEGY=: Being safe from pandemics, or war, or everything.
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Tad Eggleston: Right.
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DO54fZHh0mgwdiu9GgAAGAAAAGYGj2BT6KTC0a9QFUbXUtFs3xEvFdyI1TPFqBBYu/DLPHkafehHEGY=: So…
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DO54fZHh0mgwdiu9GgAAGAAAAGYGj2BT6KTC0a9QFUbXUtFs3xEvFdyI1TPFqBBYu/DLPHkafehHEGY=: I saw myself, how people, all myself, of me, and other friends react in front of this news, in front of these things, things that maybe…
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DO54fZHh0mgwdiu9GgAAGAAAAGYGj2BT6KTC0a9QFUbXUtFs3xEvFdyI1TPFqBBYu/DLPHkafehHEGY=: I'm not… You might not see them, but it's a real danger.
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Tad Eggleston: Yeah.
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DO54fZHh0mgwdiu9GgAAGAAAAGYGj2BT6KTC0a9QFUbXUtFs3xEvFdyI1TPFqBBYu/DLPHkafehHEGY=: the C… How it's different, from, maybe dystopian, like, dystopian movies?
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DO54fZHh0mgwdiu9GgAAGAAAAGYGj2BT6KTC0a9QFUbXUtFs3xEvFdyI1TPFqBBYu/DLPHkafehHEGY=: movies with the danger, very, like, catastrophes.
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DO54fZHh0mgwdiu9GgAAGAAAAGYGj2BT6KTC0a9QFUbXUtFs3xEvFdyI1TPFqBBYu/DLPHkafehHEGY=: And you, you might see people, like, Being scared.
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DO54fZHh0mgwdiu9GgAAGAAAAGYGj2BT6KTC0a9QFUbXUtFs3xEvFdyI1TPFqBBYu/DLPHkafehHEGY=: And then being selfish, then maybe, like, react in a completely different way, like you said, maybe sometimes they are all selfish, or, or more, like, giving, more, more, say, more kind.
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Tad Eggleston: Right, and I actually think that that's another fascinating thing about this book, is that you're in that middle ground, like, you're not…
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Tad Eggleston: putting characters that are in the midst of people dying around them. They're on the outskirts of people dying around them, so that they know that there's a risk, but it's not…
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Tad Eggleston: it's a risk on TV, rather than a risk…
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DO54fZHh0mgwdiu9GgAAGAAAAGYGj2BT6KTC0a9QFUbXUtFs3xEvFdyI1TPFqBBYu/DLPHkafehHEGY=: Hmm.
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Tad Eggleston: In their home, and that kinda…
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Tad Eggleston: to me, changes… changes the way you look at the car… you know, it both… Makes the selfishness more…
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Tad Eggleston: relatable.
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Tad Eggleston: And… and makes the people upset about the selfishness
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Tad Eggleston: Even if you agree with them, even if you're, like, going, yes, of course, like, you should be angry as hell about this guy that…
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Tad Eggleston: won't wear a mask, or won't, you know… but at the same time, like… Is he hurting?
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DO54fZHh0mgwdiu9GgAAGAAAAGYGj2BT6KTC0a9QFUbXUtFs3xEvFdyI1TPFqBBYu/DLPHkafehHEGY=: You mean, like, you mean, like.
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Tad Eggleston: Is he hurting you by jogging?
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DO54fZHh0mgwdiu9GgAAGAAAAGYGj2BT6KTC0a9QFUbXUtFs3xEvFdyI1TPFqBBYu/DLPHkafehHEGY=: Yeah, and… when I do these, these scenes, it's more like, talking about us.
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DO54fZHh0mgwdiu9GgAAGAAAAGYGj2BT6KTC0a9QFUbXUtFs3xEvFdyI1TPFqBBYu/DLPHkafehHEGY=: I'm not, like, feeling I'm different from these people.
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DO54fZHh0mgwdiu9GgAAGAAAAGYGj2BT6KTC0a9QFUbXUtFs3xEvFdyI1TPFqBBYu/DLPHkafehHEGY=: It's more like how we act.
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DO54fZHh0mgwdiu9GgAAGAAAAGYGj2BT6KTC0a9QFUbXUtFs3xEvFdyI1TPFqBBYu/DLPHkafehHEGY=: In these moments, and what… how we maybe should act all…
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DO54fZHh0mgwdiu9GgAAGAAAAGYGj2BT6KTC0a9QFUbXUtFs3xEvFdyI1TPFqBBYu/DLPHkafehHEGY=: We are supposed to act in different…
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DO54fZHh0mgwdiu9GgAAGAAAAGYGj2BT6KTC0a9QFUbXUtFs3xEvFdyI1TPFqBBYu/DLPHkafehHEGY=: Situation, maybe more dangerous than a pandemic.
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DO54fZHh0mgwdiu9GgAAGAAAAGYGj2BT6KTC0a9QFUbXUtFs3xEvFdyI1TPFqBBYu/DLPHkafehHEGY=: But for me, it's more like just, my purpose is just to… Like, tell stories.
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DO54fZHh0mgwdiu9GgAAGAAAAGYGj2BT6KTC0a9QFUbXUtFs3xEvFdyI1TPFqBBYu/DLPHkafehHEGY=: The stories, actually, you might, you might not,
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DO54fZHh0mgwdiu9GgAAGAAAAGYGj2BT6KTC0a9QFUbXUtFs3xEvFdyI1TPFqBBYu/DLPHkafehHEGY=: you might not read this book, because it never came out in America, but it's called Padova, and it's actually my first book.
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DO54fZHh0mgwdiu9GgAAGAAAAGYGj2BT6KTC0a9QFUbXUtFs3xEvFdyI1TPFqBBYu/DLPHkafehHEGY=: And, in this book, you find the same, character from, Comfortress. So, Comfortress is more like a sequel from, from Padovalende, because when I was, like, thinking about these stories,
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DO54fZHh0mgwdiu9GgAAGAAAAGYGj2BT6KTC0a9QFUbXUtFs3xEvFdyI1TPFqBBYu/DLPHkafehHEGY=: I was… it was during the lockdown in Italy.
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DO54fZHh0mgwdiu9GgAAGAAAAGYGj2BT6KTC0a9QFUbXUtFs3xEvFdyI1TPFqBBYu/DLPHkafehHEGY=: And, I actually was, doing… was, drawing a pad available, and this, this first book.
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DO54fZHh0mgwdiu9GgAAGAAAAGYGj2BT6KTC0a9QFUbXUtFs3xEvFdyI1TPFqBBYu/DLPHkafehHEGY=: And I was already thinking about these stories with the same characters during a pandemic, because the pandemic showed different possibilities for stories.
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DO54fZHh0mgwdiu9GgAAGAAAAGYGj2BT6KTC0a9QFUbXUtFs3xEvFdyI1TPFqBBYu/DLPHkafehHEGY=: Okay. You can find very weird, acting, weird, behavior from populations.
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DO54fZHh0mgwdiu9GgAAGAAAAGYGj2BT6KTC0a9QFUbXUtFs3xEvFdyI1TPFqBBYu/DLPHkafehHEGY=: Because, the… we, like,
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DO54fZHh0mgwdiu9GgAAGAAAAGYGj2BT6KTC0a9QFUbXUtFs3xEvFdyI1TPFqBBYu/DLPHkafehHEGY=: experienced a new thing. We never, we thought, we never, like, tried this thing.
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DO54fZHh0mgwdiu9GgAAGAAAAGYGj2BT6KTC0a9QFUbXUtFs3xEvFdyI1TPFqBBYu/DLPHkafehHEGY=: And, so you can find different reaction that could, could suggest, for,
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DO54fZHh0mgwdiu9GgAAGAAAAGYGj2BT6KTC0a9QFUbXUtFs3xEvFdyI1TPFqBBYu/DLPHkafehHEGY=: New stories, that's it.
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DO54fZHh0mgwdiu9GgAAGAAAAGYGj2BT6KTC0a9QFUbXUtFs3xEvFdyI1TPFqBBYu/DLPHkafehHEGY=: all this… all these things to say, I just, I just tell these stories for the sake of the stories themselves, because I think they might be very interesting to read, and maybe discover a new kind of people.
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DO54fZHh0mgwdiu9GgAAGAAAAGYGj2BT6KTC0a9QFUbXUtFs3xEvFdyI1TPFqBBYu/DLPHkafehHEGY=: And, it's more like… more like that.
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Tad Eggleston: I gotta tell you that…
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DO54fZHh0mgwdiu9GgAAGAAAAGYGj2BT6KTC0a9QFUbXUtFs3xEvFdyI1TPFqBBYu/DLPHkafehHEGY=: I'm not sure if you might understand everything I said.
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Tad Eggleston: No, I understand that very well. No, no, I gotta tell you that as… I'm a teacher, but I'm a teacher who also remembers being a student, so I love that answer on so many levels, because the question I always hated
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Tad Eggleston: was when teachers wanted, what does the author intend here? And I'm like.
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DO54fZHh0mgwdiu9GgAAGAAAAGYGj2BT6KTC0a9QFUbXUtFs3xEvFdyI1TPFqBBYu/DLPHkafehHEGY=: Yeah, sure.
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Tad Eggleston: A…
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DO54fZHh0mgwdiu9GgAAGAAAAGYGj2BT6KTC0a9QFUbXUtFs3xEvFdyI1TPFqBBYu/DLPHkafehHEGY=: I agree.
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Tad Eggleston: The author may or may not have intended anything.
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Tad Eggleston: And B, why does it matter? Why shouldn't it be what I take from it?
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DO54fZHh0mgwdiu9GgAAGAAAAGYGj2BT6KTC0a9QFUbXUtFs3xEvFdyI1TPFqBBYu/DLPHkafehHEGY=: Of course.
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Tad Eggleston: And I think comics even more…
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Tad Eggleston: than literature and film, the reader is a collaborator.
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Tad Eggleston: The reader brings their experience and their life into those gutters, and how they read.
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DO54fZHh0mgwdiu9GgAAGAAAAGYGj2BT6KTC0a9QFUbXUtFs3xEvFdyI1TPFqBBYu/DLPHkafehHEGY=: The spaces in between.
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DO54fZHh0mgwdiu9GgAAGAAAAGYGj2BT6KTC0a9QFUbXUtFs3xEvFdyI1TPFqBBYu/DLPHkafehHEGY=: Sure.
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Tad Eggleston: Which you use really well, by the way. I didn't… I didn't… I didn't put any of the technical questions in, but I really like…
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Tad Eggleston: your page structures.
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DO54fZHh0mgwdiu9GgAAGAAAAGYGj2BT6KTC0a9QFUbXUtFs3xEvFdyI1TPFqBBYu/DLPHkafehHEGY=: Thank you.
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Tad Eggleston: Your panel structures are, are, are… They just have a,
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Tad Eggleston: I can be obsessed with panels. I love the way cartoonists…
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Tad Eggleston: Tell stories by the way they arrange the page, sometimes as much as they tell it.
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DO54fZHh0mgwdiu9GgAAGAAAAGYGj2BT6KTC0a9QFUbXUtFs3xEvFdyI1TPFqBBYu/DLPHkafehHEGY=: By showing you specific things, and your use of white space, your use of…
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Tad Eggleston: It's just outstanding. It's part of what really.
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DO54fZHh0mgwdiu9GgAAGAAAAGYGj2BT6KTC0a9QFUbXUtFs3xEvFdyI1TPFqBBYu/DLPHkafehHEGY=: sucked me into the book. Thank you so much.
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Tad Eggleston: Yeah.
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Tad Eggleston: I think you kinda answered this, so I'm gonna… gonna condense this question, because, you know, this is an Italian book, and I'm reading it as a U.S. citizen, and, like.
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Tad Eggleston: right now, I don't know if you've noticed, but the U.S. is kind of a shitshow. And if you haven't, God bless you.
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Tad Eggleston: But I've noticed a lot that on both sides, we make grand, sweeping assumptions about the United States, you know? There's the American exceptionalism, everything is great because it's American.
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DO54fZHh0mgwdiu9GgAAGAAAAGYGj2BT6KTC0a9QFUbXUtFs3xEvFdyI1TPFqBBYu/DLPHkafehHEGY=: You know, the left tends more towards.
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Tad Eggleston: Why don't we get basic things, like science good? The Europeans have figured it out. But here I'm reading a book, and I'm seeing…
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Tad Eggleston: Seeing people, like.
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Tad Eggleston: make ridiculous statements about science to justify their ability to go out to the club, and I'm like, oh, yeah, I've heard that.
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DO54fZHh0mgwdiu9GgAAGAAAAGYGj2BT6KTC0a9QFUbXUtFs3xEvFdyI1TPFqBBYu/DLPHkafehHEGY=: And here's.
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Tad Eggleston: It is in… And on one side, it's like, oh, okay, this is the shared human experience, like, the…
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Tad Eggleston: The greatest thing about reading Comics, literature, watching films from diverse Diverse cultural backgrounds is…
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Tad Eggleston: I mean, it's great to learn the ways people are different, but I think it's even more valuable to learn the ways that we're alike.
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Tad Eggleston: So in that sense, it's like, oh, yeah, you know, they have that friend, too, that is like, no, no, really, I don't want to kill my grandpa.
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Tad Eggleston: But on the other side, it just went, oh, wait a minute…
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Tad Eggleston: Really? I didn't want to share that one with the rest of the world.
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Tad Eggleston: So, I mean, is…
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Tad Eggleston: Is that something that's as predominant in Italy or Europe, to your experience? Where there's a strong identity in…
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Tad Eggleston: in the…
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Tad Eggleston: Oh, I don't know that the science is right, because the science doesn't make me feel good, and I want to go do this thing.
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DO54fZHh0mgwdiu9GgAAGAAAAGYGj2BT6KTC0a9QFUbXUtFs3xEvFdyI1TPFqBBYu/DLPHkafehHEGY=: of… I think it's the…
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DO54fZHh0mgwdiu9GgAAGAAAAGYGj2BT6KTC0a9QFUbXUtFs3xEvFdyI1TPFqBBYu/DLPHkafehHEGY=: I don't know how strong it is in USA, but in Italy, we have a lot of problem with, like, fake news.
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DO54fZHh0mgwdiu9GgAAGAAAAGYGj2BT6KTC0a9QFUbXUtFs3xEvFdyI1TPFqBBYu/DLPHkafehHEGY=: I think you might refer to that.
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Tad Eggleston: I mean, we… Fox is still allowed.
15:45
DO54fZHh0mgwdiu9GgAAGAAAAGYGj2BT6KTC0a9QFUbXUtFs3xEvFdyI1TPFqBBYu/DLPHkafehHEGY=: to call those days.
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Tad Eggleston: Jews in America.
15:47
DO54fZHh0mgwdiu9GgAAGAAAAGYGj2BT6KTC0a9QFUbXUtFs3xEvFdyI1TPFqBBYu/DLPHkafehHEGY=: I'm sorry?
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Tad Eggleston: I said Fox is still allowed to call themselves news in America.
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Tad Eggleston: Even though when they're in court, they argue that they're about entertainment.
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Tad Eggleston: That's how they get out of lawsuits!
16:03
DO54fZHh0mgwdiu9GgAAGAAAAGYGj2BT6KTC0a9QFUbXUtFs3xEvFdyI1TPFqBBYu/DLPHkafehHEGY=: Yeah, but, I mean, I think it's the same in Italy.
16:07
Tad Eggleston: Okay.
16:08
DO54fZHh0mgwdiu9GgAAGAAAAGYGj2BT6KTC0a9QFUbXUtFs3xEvFdyI1TPFqBBYu/DLPHkafehHEGY=: Italy, we have, yeah, a lot of, misinformation.
16:12
DO54fZHh0mgwdiu9GgAAGAAAAGYGj2BT6KTC0a9QFUbXUtFs3xEvFdyI1TPFqBBYu/DLPHkafehHEGY=: and stuff like that, we might think, to cure cancer with just one lemon and, something like that, we might be…
16:22
Tad Eggleston: Wouldn't that be great?
16:23
DO54fZHh0mgwdiu9GgAAGAAAAGYGj2BT6KTC0a9QFUbXUtFs3xEvFdyI1TPFqBBYu/DLPHkafehHEGY=: Yeah.
16:24
Tad Eggleston: that.
16:26
DO54fZHh0mgwdiu9GgAAGAAAAGYGj2BT6KTC0a9QFUbXUtFs3xEvFdyI1TPFqBBYu/DLPHkafehHEGY=: It will solve a lot of problems.
16:27
Tad Eggleston: I think we would have done it, though.
16:31
Tad Eggleston: Yeah. I don't think we.
16:32
DO54fZHh0mgwdiu9GgAAGAAAAGYGj2BT6KTC0a9QFUbXUtFs3xEvFdyI1TPFqBBYu/DLPHkafehHEGY=: be able to…
16:32
Tad Eggleston: hide that.
16:33
DO54fZHh0mgwdiu9GgAAGAAAAGYGj2BT6KTC0a9QFUbXUtFs3xEvFdyI1TPFqBBYu/DLPHkafehHEGY=: No, but if the doctors, they don't want us to… to this… to find out.
16:38
Tad Eggleston: And nobody finds it out on accident by drinking lemonade.
16:42
DO54fZHh0mgwdiu9GgAAGAAAAGYGj2BT6KTC0a9QFUbXUtFs3xEvFdyI1TPFqBBYu/DLPHkafehHEGY=: Yeah, sure.
16:43
DO54fZHh0mgwdiu9GgAAGAAAAGYGj2BT6KTC0a9QFUbXUtFs3xEvFdyI1TPFqBBYu/DLPHkafehHEGY=: No, but I think it's mixed, mixed up with something, I don't remember.
16:49
DO54fZHh0mgwdiu9GgAAGAAAAGYGj2BT6KTC0a9QFUbXUtFs3xEvFdyI1TPFqBBYu/DLPHkafehHEGY=: I have to see.
16:50
Tad Eggleston: No, that's fair.
16:51
DO54fZHh0mgwdiu9GgAAGAAAAGYGj2BT6KTC0a9QFUbXUtFs3xEvFdyI1TPFqBBYu/DLPHkafehHEGY=: Yeah, of course, also we have, also with the Novaks, we had a lot of Novaks here. Especially in Italy, I think maybe in other countries, more like in North Europe, people are more like, wanna…
17:06
DO54fZHh0mgwdiu9GgAAGAAAAGYGj2BT6KTC0a9QFUbXUtFs3xEvFdyI1TPFqBBYu/DLPHkafehHEGY=: Kinda wanna copyrighted for, for a better way of living, in front of this,
17:13
DO54fZHh0mgwdiu9GgAAGAAAAGYGj2BT6KTC0a9QFUbXUtFs3xEvFdyI1TPFqBBYu/DLPHkafehHEGY=: danger of these, pandemics. But, yeah, of course, in Italy we have, like.
17:21
Tad Eggleston: Yeah.
17:21
DO54fZHh0mgwdiu9GgAAGAAAAGYGj2BT6KTC0a9QFUbXUtFs3xEvFdyI1TPFqBBYu/DLPHkafehHEGY=: Don't, like, we are very, like, hate rules, that's it. So…
17:27
Tad Eggleston: Yeah.
17:28
DO54fZHh0mgwdiu9GgAAGAAAAGYGj2BT6KTC0a9QFUbXUtFs3xEvFdyI1TPFqBBYu/DLPHkafehHEGY=: I guess it is, I mean.
17:29
Tad Eggleston: Particularly when you put it that way, hate rules, it's like, okay, no, that feels very human.
17:34
DO54fZHh0mgwdiu9GgAAGAAAAGYGj2BT6KTC0a9QFUbXUtFs3xEvFdyI1TPFqBBYu/DLPHkafehHEGY=: But, yeah, sure, but also… Of course, I…
17:40
DO54fZHh0mgwdiu9GgAAGAAAAGYGj2BT6KTC0a9QFUbXUtFs3xEvFdyI1TPFqBBYu/DLPHkafehHEGY=: I wanted to show the other kind of people, because, yeah, I talk about people who don't believe in… maybe in science, or in news, or…
17:52
DO54fZHh0mgwdiu9GgAAGAAAAGYGj2BT6KTC0a9QFUbXUtFs3xEvFdyI1TPFqBBYu/DLPHkafehHEGY=: When we… the government… And stuff, but, there are, like, the other people.
17:58
Tad Eggleston: Yeah.
17:58
DO54fZHh0mgwdiu9GgAAGAAAAGYGj2BT6KTC0a9QFUbXUtFs3xEvFdyI1TPFqBBYu/DLPHkafehHEGY=: Who took advantage of the pandemic to be, like, authoritarian to other people.
18:07
Tad Eggleston: Right. Right.
18:08
DO54fZHh0mgwdiu9GgAAGAAAAGYGj2BT6KTC0a9QFUbXUtFs3xEvFdyI1TPFqBBYu/DLPHkafehHEGY=: Like, the guy from the party, or the Irene, the…
18:14
Tad Eggleston: Julia's friend.
18:15
DO54fZHh0mgwdiu9GgAAGAAAAGYGj2BT6KTC0a9QFUbXUtFs3xEvFdyI1TPFqBBYu/DLPHkafehHEGY=: Or, like, in the first time, and I think I found myself in this,
18:22
DO54fZHh0mgwdiu9GgAAGAAAAGYGj2BT6KTC0a9QFUbXUtFs3xEvFdyI1TPFqBBYu/DLPHkafehHEGY=: In this moment, because, it's like, when just the… like, the…
18:30
DO54fZHh0mgwdiu9GgAAGAAAAGYGj2BT6KTC0a9QFUbXUtFs3xEvFdyI1TPFqBBYu/DLPHkafehHEGY=: the pandemic, how do you say, broke out. Right. And…
18:38
DO54fZHh0mgwdiu9GgAAGAAAAGYGj2BT6KTC0a9QFUbXUtFs3xEvFdyI1TPFqBBYu/DLPHkafehHEGY=: I used to, like, fight with my friends when they kinda, like, didn't want to… To follow some rules.
18:48
DO54fZHh0mgwdiu9GgAAGAAAAGYGj2BT6KTC0a9QFUbXUtFs3xEvFdyI1TPFqBBYu/DLPHkafehHEGY=: They're more like, Bob, it's not… it's no big deal if I don't put the mask in that situation. I was very, no, you should have, you should, no, you're going to kill us all. And I found out, also, that kind of behavior was very, like, not helping. It was, like, just being authoritarian to your friends.
19:08
DO54fZHh0mgwdiu9GgAAGAAAAGYGj2BT6KTC0a9QFUbXUtFs3xEvFdyI1TPFqBBYu/DLPHkafehHEGY=: No, it just…
19:09
Tad Eggleston: It's… it's part of how you wind up having… tribal… Sides dig in.
19:17
DO54fZHh0mgwdiu9GgAAGAAAAGYGj2BT6KTC0a9QFUbXUtFs3xEvFdyI1TPFqBBYu/DLPHkafehHEGY=: Yeah, sure, I mean, it's the opposite of the, like, not caring about the rules, and just, like, helping the disease to…
19:28
DO54fZHh0mgwdiu9GgAAGAAAAGYGj2BT6KTC0a9QFUbXUtFs3xEvFdyI1TPFqBBYu/DLPHkafehHEGY=: To contag other people. But, it was,
19:32
DO54fZHh0mgwdiu9GgAAGAAAAGYGj2BT6KTC0a9QFUbXUtFs3xEvFdyI1TPFqBBYu/DLPHkafehHEGY=: Like this, it was, like, the kind of behaviors that…
19:36
DO54fZHh0mgwdiu9GgAAGAAAAGYGj2BT6KTC0a9QFUbXUtFs3xEvFdyI1TPFqBBYu/DLPHkafehHEGY=: At, like, the opposite, but, they kinda… they kinda, Work the same way.
19:45
DO54fZHh0mgwdiu9GgAAGAAAAGYGj2BT6KTC0a9QFUbXUtFs3xEvFdyI1TPFqBBYu/DLPHkafehHEGY=: They don't help, that's it.
19:47
Tad Eggleston: Well, and I… I mean, I really appreciated that you showed… All kinds of reactions.
19:57
Tad Eggleston: And… The good and bad of all of them?
20:02
Tad Eggleston: You know, I mean, you know, I mean, there were people who were comforted by… by taking precautions, and there were people that isolated themselves by taking precautions. There were people who were taking precautions caringly, and there were people who were taking precautions authoritatively.
20:18
DO54fZHh0mgwdiu9GgAAGAAAAGYGj2BT6KTC0a9QFUbXUtFs3xEvFdyI1TPFqBBYu/DLPHkafehHEGY=: There were people.
20:19
Tad Eggleston: There were people who were… were breaking rules.
20:24
DO54fZHh0mgwdiu9GgAAGAAAAGYGj2BT6KTC0a9QFUbXUtFs3xEvFdyI1TPFqBBYu/DLPHkafehHEGY=: Just because…
20:26
Tad Eggleston: Nobody tells me what to do, and there were people who were breaking rules because…
20:34
Tad Eggleston: They were gonna take care of the people around them the best they could, I mean.
20:38
Tad Eggleston: But… but…
20:40
Tad Eggleston: part of taking care of themselves meant continuing to do this one thing, or that, you know? And I think… I think that that's… that's always such a balance between.
20:53
DO54fZHh0mgwdiu9GgAAGAAAAGYGj2BT6KTC0a9QFUbXUtFs3xEvFdyI1TPFqBBYu/DLPHkafehHEGY=: Hmm.
20:53
Tad Eggleston: Community good and individual good. And, like, you can't have a strong community without strong individuals, and you can't…
21:01
DO54fZHh0mgwdiu9GgAAGAAAAGYGj2BT6KTC0a9QFUbXUtFs3xEvFdyI1TPFqBBYu/DLPHkafehHEGY=: Hmm.
21:02
Tad Eggleston: can't have mostly strong individuals without a strong community, you know. But it's the constant…
21:10
Tad Eggleston: balance. It's why rules exist, and why rules can be bad, because rules are also made by humans.
21:17
DO54fZHh0mgwdiu9GgAAGAAAAGYGj2BT6KTC0a9QFUbXUtFs3xEvFdyI1TPFqBBYu/DLPHkafehHEGY=: Okay.
21:18
Tad Eggleston: You know?
21:19
DO54fZHh0mgwdiu9GgAAGAAAAGYGj2BT6KTC0a9QFUbXUtFs3xEvFdyI1TPFqBBYu/DLPHkafehHEGY=: No, yeah, I mean, it's very interesting, but I didn't saw it that way.
21:24
Tad Eggleston: that way. You're just being observational.
21:27
DO54fZHh0mgwdiu9GgAAGAAAAGYGj2BT6KTC0a9QFUbXUtFs3xEvFdyI1TPFqBBYu/DLPHkafehHEGY=: No, sometimes it's funny because, like you said earlier, like, when I speak to… To my readers.
21:36
DO54fZHh0mgwdiu9GgAAGAAAAGYGj2BT6KTC0a9QFUbXUtFs3xEvFdyI1TPFqBBYu/DLPHkafehHEGY=: And they can find the… Some other way to see the book.
21:41
Tad Eggleston: Right. I might not…
21:44
DO54fZHh0mgwdiu9GgAAGAAAAGYGj2BT6KTC0a9QFUbXUtFs3xEvFdyI1TPFqBBYu/DLPHkafehHEGY=: like, they might didn't think about, so, yeah. It's always like a discovery when I speak to someone else who might, like, add something to my story that I never, like, thought about it, so yeah.
21:58
DO54fZHh0mgwdiu9GgAAGAAAAGYGj2BT6KTC0a9QFUbXUtFs3xEvFdyI1TPFqBBYu/DLPHkafehHEGY=: That's cool.
22:00
Tad Eggleston: I gotta ask really quickly, without giving any major spoilers, you know, the first half of the book is set in the pandemic, and therefore feels very real world, and the second half of the book is after a…
22:13
Tad Eggleston: another international disaster, but much more man-driven, and of course the United States was at the center of it. Was that just because, of course, the United States was going to be at the center of it, or was that because, like.
22:28
Tad Eggleston: he wanted to say a little bit about America being a destructive shitshow right now.
22:35
DO54fZHh0mgwdiu9GgAAGAAAAGYGj2BT6KTC0a9QFUbXUtFs3xEvFdyI1TPFqBBYu/DLPHkafehHEGY=: Word.
22:35
Tad Eggleston: No wrong answers here, huh?
22:37
Tad Eggleston: I said, no wrong answers here.
22:39
DO54fZHh0mgwdiu9GgAAGAAAAGYGj2BT6KTC0a9QFUbXUtFs3xEvFdyI1TPFqBBYu/DLPHkafehHEGY=: I know. But,
22:43
DO54fZHh0mgwdiu9GgAAGAAAAGYGj2BT6KTC0a9QFUbXUtFs3xEvFdyI1TPFqBBYu/DLPHkafehHEGY=: No, in that case, I mean, it's just because, yeah, the… in this kind… in this thing… but we can… I… I don't think it's okay to say that, I mean, it's not a real spoiler.
22:57
Tad Eggleston: Okay. Well, yeah.
22:59
DO54fZHh0mgwdiu9GgAAGAAAAGYGj2BT6KTC0a9QFUbXUtFs3xEvFdyI1TPFqBBYu/DLPHkafehHEGY=: What about, like, we used to call them, like, Euro Missile?
23:03
Tad Eggleston: Right. There's an, an accident in a nuclear silo.
23:09
DO54fZHh0mgwdiu9GgAAGAAAAGYGj2BT6KTC0a9QFUbXUtFs3xEvFdyI1TPFqBBYu/DLPHkafehHEGY=: Yeah.
23:09
Tad Eggleston: That does great damage.
23:12
DO54fZHh0mgwdiu9GgAAGAAAAGYGj2BT6KTC0a9QFUbXUtFs3xEvFdyI1TPFqBBYu/DLPHkafehHEGY=: Yeah.
23:13
Tad Eggleston: Particularly in the following.
23:13
DO54fZHh0mgwdiu9GgAAGAAAAGYGj2BT6KTC0a9QFUbXUtFs3xEvFdyI1TPFqBBYu/DLPHkafehHEGY=: the north of Italy.
23:15
Tad Eggleston: Right.
23:15
DO54fZHh0mgwdiu9GgAAGAAAAGYGj2BT6KTC0a9QFUbXUtFs3xEvFdyI1TPFqBBYu/DLPHkafehHEGY=: And, of course, it… I… took this story because I…
23:25
DO54fZHh0mgwdiu9GgAAGAAAAGYGj2BT6KTC0a9QFUbXUtFs3xEvFdyI1TPFqBBYu/DLPHkafehHEGY=: Because I studied about, my own, like, my own, land.
23:31
DO54fZHh0mgwdiu9GgAAGAAAAGYGj2BT6KTC0a9QFUbXUtFs3xEvFdyI1TPFqBBYu/DLPHkafehHEGY=: who is full of these American bases.
23:35
DO54fZHh0mgwdiu9GgAAGAAAAGYGj2BT6KTC0a9QFUbXUtFs3xEvFdyI1TPFqBBYu/DLPHkafehHEGY=: And some of, some of those bases, have, nukes.
23:39
DO54fZHh0mgwdiu9GgAAGAAAAGYGj2BT6KTC0a9QFUbXUtFs3xEvFdyI1TPFqBBYu/DLPHkafehHEGY=: Very small nukes, but they are… they are nukes.
23:43
DO54fZHh0mgwdiu9GgAAGAAAAGYGj2BT6KTC0a9QFUbXUtFs3xEvFdyI1TPFqBBYu/DLPHkafehHEGY=: So, it's, when I phoned…
23:45
Tad Eggleston: We're not great at telling people things, so they're very small nukes today, but who knows what they'll be tomorrow.
23:52
DO54fZHh0mgwdiu9GgAAGAAAAGYGj2BT6KTC0a9QFUbXUtFs3xEvFdyI1TPFqBBYu/DLPHkafehHEGY=: Yeah, maybe they can replace them, I mean…
23:55
Tad Eggleston: Yeah.
23:56
DO54fZHh0mgwdiu9GgAAGAAAAGYGj2BT6KTC0a9QFUbXUtFs3xEvFdyI1TPFqBBYu/DLPHkafehHEGY=: Totally possible, but actually they are not, they're not even in… they're not even rockets, they are just bomb, like, drop-in bombs.
24:05
Tad Eggleston: Okay.
24:05
DO54fZHh0mgwdiu9GgAAGAAAAGYGj2BT6KTC0a9QFUbXUtFs3xEvFdyI1TPFqBBYu/DLPHkafehHEGY=: Of course.
24:06
Tad Eggleston: that you.
24:07
DO54fZHh0mgwdiu9GgAAGAAAAGYGj2BT6KTC0a9QFUbXUtFs3xEvFdyI1TPFqBBYu/DLPHkafehHEGY=: They are still nukes, so they are very, like, dangerous. Yes. And, it's funny, because it's something you… when I say, when I told these things to other friends, to my friends, they can believe it. There are some nukes in Italy.
24:24
Tad Eggleston: It's funny, you might find, reading this news, that you can…
24:30
DO54fZHh0mgwdiu9GgAAGAAAAGYGj2BT6KTC0a9QFUbXUtFs3xEvFdyI1TPFqBBYu/DLPHkafehHEGY=: There are countries who have nuke… who have nukes, and you didn't know about that. You find it funny, because they are very, like.
24:39
DO54fZHh0mgwdiu9GgAAGAAAAGYGj2BT6KTC0a9QFUbXUtFs3xEvFdyI1TPFqBBYu/DLPHkafehHEGY=: they look very, like, how do you say, armless, but they have nukes, like France, for instance. Right.
24:46
Tad Eggleston: No, I mean, it's, it's like…
24:49
Tad Eggleston: Something that a lot of people in America don't…
24:52
Tad Eggleston: completely understand is one of the reasons our politics affects everybody is most of our nuclear arsenal isn't in our own country.
25:00
DO54fZHh0mgwdiu9GgAAGAAAAGYGj2BT6KTC0a9QFUbXUtFs3xEvFdyI1TPFqBBYu/DLPHkafehHEGY=: Yeah, sure.
25:01
Tad Eggleston: Most of it is in Europe, is in…
25:05
DO54fZHh0mgwdiu9GgAAGAAAAGYGj2BT6KTC0a9QFUbXUtFs3xEvFdyI1TPFqBBYu/DLPHkafehHEGY=: Yeah, but the difference, like, France has its own nukes.
25:11
Tad Eggleston: No, no.
25:11
DO54fZHh0mgwdiu9GgAAGAAAAGYGj2BT6KTC0a9QFUbXUtFs3xEvFdyI1TPFqBBYu/DLPHkafehHEGY=: That's on France's nuclear power.
25:13
Tad Eggleston: power.
25:13
DO54fZHh0mgwdiu9GgAAGAAAAGYGj2BT6KTC0a9QFUbXUtFs3xEvFdyI1TPFqBBYu/DLPHkafehHEGY=: We kind of, like, borrow the nukes from America, but we can't use them. America will use them, but we.
25:23
Tad Eggleston: Right.
25:24
DO54fZHh0mgwdiu9GgAAGAAAAGYGj2BT6KTC0a9QFUbXUtFs3xEvFdyI1TPFqBBYu/DLPHkafehHEGY=: That's it. Right. But we are… but we are… we are targets, that's it.
25:29
Tad Eggleston: But that, I mean, that both makes you a target, and it means that if there's any sort of accident, it's every bit as much your problem as our problem, so, like…
25:40
Tad Eggleston: When we do crazy stuff on an international stage, it… it… Has global ramifications that…
25:48
DO54fZHh0mgwdiu9GgAAGAAAAGYGj2BT6KTC0a9QFUbXUtFs3xEvFdyI1TPFqBBYu/DLPHkafehHEGY=: Yeah, sure.
25:49
Tad Eggleston: It's funny.
25:51
DO54fZHh0mgwdiu9GgAAGAAAAGYGj2BT6KTC0a9QFUbXUtFs3xEvFdyI1TPFqBBYu/DLPHkafehHEGY=: Yeah, yeah, I don't.
25:52
Tad Eggleston: I think we always think about.
25:53
DO54fZHh0mgwdiu9GgAAGAAAAGYGj2BT6KTC0a9QFUbXUtFs3xEvFdyI1TPFqBBYu/DLPHkafehHEGY=: Yeah, I… As American voters. And it's funny because,
25:58
DO54fZHh0mgwdiu9GgAAGAAAAGYGj2BT6KTC0a9QFUbXUtFs3xEvFdyI1TPFqBBYu/DLPHkafehHEGY=: like, Europe might be, like, a possible, a possible, how do you say, battlefield?
26:04
DO54fZHh0mgwdiu9GgAAGAAAAGYGj2BT6KTC0a9QFUbXUtFs3xEvFdyI1TPFqBBYu/DLPHkafehHEGY=: For nukes, and it's very small, I mean, you.
26:07
Tad Eggleston: Yeah.
26:07
DO54fZHh0mgwdiu9GgAAGAAAAGYGj2BT6KTC0a9QFUbXUtFs3xEvFdyI1TPFqBBYu/DLPHkafehHEGY=: you don't need a lot of nukes to destroy it. It's a very small continent, so it's very funny, because it would be the most likely place to nuke, but you just…
26:20
DO54fZHh0mgwdiu9GgAAGAAAAGYGj2BT6KTC0a9QFUbXUtFs3xEvFdyI1TPFqBBYu/DLPHkafehHEGY=: You might not need a lot of them, that's it.
26:23
Tad Eggleston: Yeah, no, I mean…
26:24
DO54fZHh0mgwdiu9GgAAGAAAAGYGj2BT6KTC0a9QFUbXUtFs3xEvFdyI1TPFqBBYu/DLPHkafehHEGY=: Yeah, yeah.
26:25
Tad Eggleston: I'm used to… anytime European friends come to the United States, like, anytime we drive anywhere, they're like, how big is this place?
26:35
DO54fZHh0mgwdiu9GgAAGAAAAGYGj2BT6KTC0a9QFUbXUtFs3xEvFdyI1TPFqBBYu/DLPHkafehHEGY=: Yeah.
26:35
Tad Eggleston: We're in the same state? You're not… you're not in a different country yet?
26:41
DO54fZHh0mgwdiu9GgAAGAAAAGYGj2BT6KTC0a9QFUbXUtFs3xEvFdyI1TPFqBBYu/DLPHkafehHEGY=: Yeah, we… it's funny, because in this… in this room, we have a lot of countries, and completely different.
26:48
DO54fZHh0mgwdiu9GgAAGAAAAGYGj2BT6KTC0a9QFUbXUtFs3xEvFdyI1TPFqBBYu/DLPHkafehHEGY=: They have completely different languages, it's a very weird continent.
26:54
Tad Eggleston: And we think.
26:55
DO54fZHh0mgwdiu9GgAAGAAAAGYGj2BT6KTC0a9QFUbXUtFs3xEvFdyI1TPFqBBYu/DLPHkafehHEGY=: that might be something for Europeans that we might think everything is like us, outside of this,
27:04
DO54fZHh0mgwdiu9GgAAGAAAAGYGj2BT6KTC0a9QFUbXUtFs3xEvFdyI1TPFqBBYu/DLPHkafehHEGY=: I would say Europe, but still, if you go in America, in America.
27:10
DO54fZHh0mgwdiu9GgAAGAAAAGYGj2BT6KTC0a9QFUbXUtFs3xEvFdyI1TPFqBBYu/DLPHkafehHEGY=: I mean, it's kind of the same word, the same economical word.
27:16
DO54fZHh0mgwdiu9GgAAGAAAAGYGj2BT6KTC0a9QFUbXUtFs3xEvFdyI1TPFqBBYu/DLPHkafehHEGY=: The same coalition of, like, allies of nations.
27:21
Tad Eggleston: Right.
27:22
DO54fZHh0mgwdiu9GgAAGAAAAGYGj2BT6KTC0a9QFUbXUtFs3xEvFdyI1TPFqBBYu/DLPHkafehHEGY=: But, I once, I was,
27:27
DO54fZHh0mgwdiu9GgAAGAAAAGYGj2BT6KTC0a9QFUbXUtFs3xEvFdyI1TPFqBBYu/DLPHkafehHEGY=: I was in, once in,
27:30
DO54fZHh0mgwdiu9GgAAGAAAAGYGj2BT6KTC0a9QFUbXUtFs3xEvFdyI1TPFqBBYu/DLPHkafehHEGY=: Miami, for instance, and it's completely different.
27:33
Tad Eggleston: Oh, yeah.
27:34
DO54fZHh0mgwdiu9GgAAGAAAAGYGj2BT6KTC0a9QFUbXUtFs3xEvFdyI1TPFqBBYu/DLPHkafehHEGY=: the culture, everything, every single thing, it's completely different from Europe.
27:42
DO54fZHh0mgwdiu9GgAAGAAAAGYGj2BT6KTC0a9QFUbXUtFs3xEvFdyI1TPFqBBYu/DLPHkafehHEGY=: The, the, the thinking, the mentality, the…
27:46
DO54fZHh0mgwdiu9GgAAGAAAAGYGj2BT6KTC0a9QFUbXUtFs3xEvFdyI1TPFqBBYu/DLPHkafehHEGY=: Like, the way to hang out with people, everything.
27:51
DO54fZHh0mgwdiu9GgAAGAAAAGYGj2BT6KTC0a9QFUbXUtFs3xEvFdyI1TPFqBBYu/DLPHkafehHEGY=: Yeah. And also, if you go in Argentina or, like, South America… Yeah.
27:56
Tad Eggleston: I, I, I haven't traveled… No, that's different.
27:59
Tad Eggleston: I haven't traveled enough, except through my books, but even just from… from reading, and then being lucky enough to talk to people like you, or…
28:08
Tad Eggleston: I mean, I think, I think…
28:11
Tad Eggleston: I think I haven't had a Zoom call with anybody in Africa yet, but every other continent except Antarctica, we've had
28:18
Tad Eggleston: Somebody zoom in from?
28:19
Tad Eggleston: So… I don't know if there are any Antarctic cartoonists.
28:24
DO54fZHh0mgwdiu9GgAAGAAAAGYGj2BT6KTC0a9QFUbXUtFs3xEvFdyI1TPFqBBYu/DLPHkafehHEGY=: Nor in, in Asia. I've never been in Asia, for instance.
28:28
Tad Eggleston: I haven't been there, but I've had conversations with Asian creators.
28:31
DO54fZHh0mgwdiu9GgAAGAAAAGYGj2BT6KTC0a9QFUbXUtFs3xEvFdyI1TPFqBBYu/DLPHkafehHEGY=: Right, okay.
28:33
Tad Eggleston: And I've had conversations with creators all over Europe, and I've had conversations with South American creators.
28:42
DO54fZHh0mgwdiu9GgAAGAAAAGYGj2BT6KTC0a9QFUbXUtFs3xEvFdyI1TPFqBBYu/DLPHkafehHEGY=: Okay.
28:44
Tad Eggleston: Down.
28:45
Tad Eggleston: So, so I…
28:46
DO54fZHh0mgwdiu9GgAAGAAAAGYGj2BT6KTC0a9QFUbXUtFs3xEvFdyI1TPFqBBYu/DLPHkafehHEGY=: It's a vicarious understanding of different cultures.
28:51
Tad Eggleston: gathered that up.
28:52
Tad Eggleston: No, I think it's funny.
28:55
Tad Eggleston: I mean, one day I'll travel more. That requires more money than they pay teachers in the United States.
29:03
Tad Eggleston: Let's… let's shift a little bit more towards you.
29:09
Tad Eggleston: Tell me about your comic's biography. Tell me…
29:12
DO54fZHh0mgwdiu9GgAAGAAAAGYGj2BT6KTC0a9QFUbXUtFs3xEvFdyI1TPFqBBYu/DLPHkafehHEGY=: Hmm.
29:13
Tad Eggleston: Like, what got you into comics?
29:15
Tad Eggleston: What shaped you as a comic fan, a comic reader, and then eventually as a cartoonist? What books…
29:22
Tad Eggleston: What books are your… your roadmap? The roadmap to Miguel.
29:27
DO54fZHh0mgwdiu9GgAAGAAAAGYGj2BT6KTC0a9QFUbXUtFs3xEvFdyI1TPFqBBYu/DLPHkafehHEGY=: Yeah, oath.
29:29
DO54fZHh0mgwdiu9GgAAGAAAAGYGj2BT6KTC0a9QFUbXUtFs3xEvFdyI1TPFqBBYu/DLPHkafehHEGY=: I started with, studying… actually, I started with, painting classes.
29:38
DO54fZHh0mgwdiu9GgAAGAAAAGYGj2BT6KTC0a9QFUbXUtFs3xEvFdyI1TPFqBBYu/DLPHkafehHEGY=: In Venice. I used to attend the Academy of Fine Arts in Venice, and then I tried to…
29:49
DO54fZHh0mgwdiu9GgAAGAAAAGYGj2BT6KTC0a9QFUbXUtFs3xEvFdyI1TPFqBBYu/DLPHkafehHEGY=: to attend, comics, classes, because, I found out, like.
29:55
DO54fZHh0mgwdiu9GgAAGAAAAGYGj2BT6KTC0a9QFUbXUtFs3xEvFdyI1TPFqBBYu/DLPHkafehHEGY=: not… no, not to… I didn't want to be a painter, it was very, like, very hard, and I wasn't very interested to do that. But I, like,
30:09
DO54fZHh0mgwdiu9GgAAGAAAAGYGj2BT6KTC0a9QFUbXUtFs3xEvFdyI1TPFqBBYu/DLPHkafehHEGY=: Learned a lot of things.
30:11
DO54fZHh0mgwdiu9GgAAGAAAAGYGj2BT6KTC0a9QFUbXUtFs3xEvFdyI1TPFqBBYu/DLPHkafehHEGY=: I can do right now with comics, so I don't… I don't think it was useless.
30:17
DO54fZHh0mgwdiu9GgAAGAAAAGYGj2BT6KTC0a9QFUbXUtFs3xEvFdyI1TPFqBBYu/DLPHkafehHEGY=: Right. He hasn't been useless to do that, and so then I moved to… to Bologna.
30:25
DO54fZHh0mgwdiu9GgAAGAAAAGYGj2BT6KTC0a9QFUbXUtFs3xEvFdyI1TPFqBBYu/DLPHkafehHEGY=: And there… there I… I studied the…
30:30
DO54fZHh0mgwdiu9GgAAGAAAAGYGj2BT6KTC0a9QFUbXUtFs3xEvFdyI1TPFqBBYu/DLPHkafehHEGY=: comics in the Academy of Fine Arts. Because in Bologna, the Academy has also comics, because the city is very important for comics in Italy. And,
30:42
DO54fZHh0mgwdiu9GgAAGAAAAGYGj2BT6KTC0a9QFUbXUtFs3xEvFdyI1TPFqBBYu/DLPHkafehHEGY=: That I, I met my future publisher.
30:50
DO54fZHh0mgwdiu9GgAAGAAAAGYGj2BT6KTC0a9QFUbXUtFs3xEvFdyI1TPFqBBYu/DLPHkafehHEGY=: who is called Edo Chi Regatto.
30:52
DO54fZHh0mgwdiu9GgAAGAAAAGYGj2BT6KTC0a9QFUbXUtFs3xEvFdyI1TPFqBBYu/DLPHkafehHEGY=: from, Canicola, and there I…
30:57
DO54fZHh0mgwdiu9GgAAGAAAAGYGj2BT6KTC0a9QFUbXUtFs3xEvFdyI1TPFqBBYu/DLPHkafehHEGY=: that was the moment I published my first book. After just, just after the… how do you say, the graduation.
31:07
DO54fZHh0mgwdiu9GgAAGAAAAGYGj2BT6KTC0a9QFUbXUtFs3xEvFdyI1TPFqBBYu/DLPHkafehHEGY=: Because I work, my work for the… how do you say, the thesis.
31:13
DO54fZHh0mgwdiu9GgAAGAAAAGYGj2BT6KTC0a9QFUbXUtFs3xEvFdyI1TPFqBBYu/DLPHkafehHEGY=: for graduation was, the same book, Padavaland, my first book.
31:18
Tad Eggleston: As well, not.
31:19
DO54fZHh0mgwdiu9GgAAGAAAAGYGj2BT6KTC0a9QFUbXUtFs3xEvFdyI1TPFqBBYu/DLPHkafehHEGY=: So, he followed me, and
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DO54fZHh0mgwdiu9GgAAGAAAAGYGj2BT6KTC0a9QFUbXUtFs3xEvFdyI1TPFqBBYu/DLPHkafehHEGY=: Followed my work, and proposed me to do a book with them.
31:29
DO54fZHh0mgwdiu9GgAAGAAAAGYGj2BT6KTC0a9QFUbXUtFs3xEvFdyI1TPFqBBYu/DLPHkafehHEGY=: And then I started to make other books.
31:32
DO54fZHh0mgwdiu9GgAAGAAAAGYGj2BT6KTC0a9QFUbXUtFs3xEvFdyI1TPFqBBYu/DLPHkafehHEGY=: So we had, like, this kind of trilogy with the Milky Way, and Comfortless.
31:39
Tad Eggleston: Okay, but what about what you read?
31:44
Tad Eggleston: I mean, did you read comics growing up?
31:47
DO54fZHh0mgwdiu9GgAAGAAAAGYGj2BT6KTC0a9QFUbXUtFs3xEvFdyI1TPFqBBYu/DLPHkafehHEGY=: Yeah, I mean…
31:48
Tad Eggleston: discovered.
31:49
DO54fZHh0mgwdiu9GgAAGAAAAGYGj2BT6KTC0a9QFUbXUtFs3xEvFdyI1TPFqBBYu/DLPHkafehHEGY=: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
31:50
Tad Eggleston: You wanted to be an artist, and you were looking for.
31:52
DO54fZHh0mgwdiu9GgAAGAAAAGYGj2BT6KTC0a9QFUbXUtFs3xEvFdyI1TPFqBBYu/DLPHkafehHEGY=: Yeah, sorry, I skipped this part.
31:55
Tad Eggleston: Haha, that's okay!
31:56
DO54fZHh0mgwdiu9GgAAGAAAAGYGj2BT6KTC0a9QFUbXUtFs3xEvFdyI1TPFqBBYu/DLPHkafehHEGY=: No, it's okay. And,
32:00
DO54fZHh0mgwdiu9GgAAGAAAAGYGj2BT6KTC0a9QFUbXUtFs3xEvFdyI1TPFqBBYu/DLPHkafehHEGY=: I used to read comic books when I was a child, because I really liked the…
32:06
DO54fZHh0mgwdiu9GgAAGAAAAGYGj2BT6KTC0a9QFUbXUtFs3xEvFdyI1TPFqBBYu/DLPHkafehHEGY=: The… how do you say? The medium?
32:09
DO54fZHh0mgwdiu9GgAAGAAAAGYGj2BT6KTC0a9QFUbXUtFs3xEvFdyI1TPFqBBYu/DLPHkafehHEGY=: The artistic medium, it was very interesting, and I tried to, you say, emulate? Emulate? To emulate, yeah, to understand how it works.
32:22
DO54fZHh0mgwdiu9GgAAGAAAAGYGj2BT6KTC0a9QFUbXUtFs3xEvFdyI1TPFqBBYu/DLPHkafehHEGY=: And I was very… I was very young, and I was a child, and I used to make these small comics, like comic strips.
32:32
DO54fZHh0mgwdiu9GgAAGAAAAGYGj2BT6KTC0a9QFUbXUtFs3xEvFdyI1TPFqBBYu/DLPHkafehHEGY=: But we know story because I didn't know how to make stories.
32:36
Tad Eggleston: Right. It was just… But was there any specific comment?
32:39
DO54fZHh0mgwdiu9GgAAGAAAAGYGj2BT6KTC0a9QFUbXUtFs3xEvFdyI1TPFqBBYu/DLPHkafehHEGY=: I think you remember.
32:40
Tad Eggleston: remember reading, though.
32:41
Tad Eggleston: Anything that you liked reading?
32:43
DO54fZHh0mgwdiu9GgAAGAAAAGYGj2BT6KTC0a9QFUbXUtFs3xEvFdyI1TPFqBBYu/DLPHkafehHEGY=: Yeah, of course, I used to read the… No, no, of course, I used to read… to read the…
32:50
DO54fZHh0mgwdiu9GgAAGAAAAGYGj2BT6KTC0a9QFUbXUtFs3xEvFdyI1TPFqBBYu/DLPHkafehHEGY=: comic books like, Topoli, Mickey Mouse.
32:54
Tad Eggleston: Okay.
32:55
DO54fZHh0mgwdiu9GgAAGAAAAGYGj2BT6KTC0a9QFUbXUtFs3xEvFdyI1TPFqBBYu/DLPHkafehHEGY=: It's very popular in Italy.
32:57
Tad Eggleston: Yeah.
32:57
DO54fZHh0mgwdiu9GgAAGAAAAGYGj2BT6KTC0a9QFUbXUtFs3xEvFdyI1TPFqBBYu/DLPHkafehHEGY=: We have a lot of, well, you might know that. And, yeah, of course, just very… I…
33:05
DO54fZHh0mgwdiu9GgAAGAAAAGYGj2BT6KTC0a9QFUbXUtFs3xEvFdyI1TPFqBBYu/DLPHkafehHEGY=: I actually wasn't a very, like,
33:09
DO54fZHh0mgwdiu9GgAAGAAAAGYGj2BT6KTC0a9QFUbXUtFs3xEvFdyI1TPFqBBYu/DLPHkafehHEGY=: how do you say? I'm not a great reader of comics.
33:13
Tad Eggleston: Okay.
33:14
DO54fZHh0mgwdiu9GgAAGAAAAGYGj2BT6KTC0a9QFUbXUtFs3xEvFdyI1TPFqBBYu/DLPHkafehHEGY=: I read some comics, after, like, after Topolino, when I, like, grew up a bit.
33:23
DO54fZHh0mgwdiu9GgAAGAAAAGYGj2BT6KTC0a9QFUbXUtFs3xEvFdyI1TPFqBBYu/DLPHkafehHEGY=: I found out Chris Wayer.
33:26
Tad Eggleston: Okay. I guess you may know it.
33:29
Tad Eggleston: He's from.
33:29
DO54fZHh0mgwdiu9GgAAGAAAAGYGj2BT6KTC0a9QFUbXUtFs3xEvFdyI1TPFqBBYu/DLPHkafehHEGY=: Shut up.
33:31
DO54fZHh0mgwdiu9GgAAGAAAAGYGj2BT6KTC0a9QFUbXUtFs3xEvFdyI1TPFqBBYu/DLPHkafehHEGY=: Hi, you're from… you're from Chicago?
33:33
Tad Eggleston: in Chicagoland.
33:34
DO54fZHh0mgwdiu9GgAAGAAAAGYGj2BT6KTC0a9QFUbXUtFs3xEvFdyI1TPFqBBYu/DLPHkafehHEGY=: Okay, okay, okay.
33:35
DO54fZHh0mgwdiu9GgAAGAAAAGYGj2BT6KTC0a9QFUbXUtFs3xEvFdyI1TPFqBBYu/DLPHkafehHEGY=: I didn't know that. And, of course, you might… you might see in my books, I just learned,
33:44
DO54fZHh0mgwdiu9GgAAGAAAAGYGj2BT6KTC0a9QFUbXUtFs3xEvFdyI1TPFqBBYu/DLPHkafehHEGY=: from him, a lot of things. Yeah. And also, I really like to… the…
33:51
DO54fZHh0mgwdiu9GgAAGAAAAGYGj2BT6KTC0a9QFUbXUtFs3xEvFdyI1TPFqBBYu/DLPHkafehHEGY=: I really love to read, like, Paolo Bacillieri, you know?
33:56
DO54fZHh0mgwdiu9GgAAGAAAAGYGj2BT6KTC0a9QFUbXUtFs3xEvFdyI1TPFqBBYu/DLPHkafehHEGY=: It's Italian, he's Italian, and .
33:59
Tad Eggleston: What's the last name again?
34:01
DO54fZHh0mgwdiu9GgAAGAAAAGYGj2BT6KTC0a9QFUbXUtFs3xEvFdyI1TPFqBBYu/DLPHkafehHEGY=: Paolo Bacillieri, if you want… I can, yeah, type it in. I can type it, if I can find the chat.
34:10
Tad Eggleston: I love to look stuff up as I'm…
34:13
DO54fZHh0mgwdiu9GgAAGAAAAGYGj2BT6KTC0a9QFUbXUtFs3xEvFdyI1TPFqBBYu/DLPHkafehHEGY=: Because, yeah, I know it's very difficult to… if you want, I can spell it, or…
34:18
Tad Eggleston: Yeah.
34:19
DO54fZHh0mgwdiu9GgAAGAAAAGYGj2BT6KTC0a9QFUbXUtFs3xEvFdyI1TPFqBBYu/DLPHkafehHEGY=: like a Paolo?
34:21
DO54fZHh0mgwdiu9GgAAGAAAAGYGj2BT6KTC0a9QFUbXUtFs3xEvFdyI1TPFqBBYu/DLPHkafehHEGY=: like, pole.
34:23
Tad Eggleston: Right.
34:24
DO54fZHh0mgwdiu9GgAAGAAAAGYGj2BT6KTC0a9QFUbXUtFs3xEvFdyI1TPFqBBYu/DLPHkafehHEGY=: Paolo, B, A, C, I… L…
34:30
Tad Eggleston: A EI L.
34:34
DO54fZHh0mgwdiu9GgAAGAAAAGYGj2BT6KTC0a9QFUbXUtFs3xEvFdyI1TPFqBBYu/DLPHkafehHEGY=: I… E… R?
34:39
DO54fZHh0mgwdiu9GgAAGAAAAGYGj2BT6KTC0a9QFUbXUtFs3xEvFdyI1TPFqBBYu/DLPHkafehHEGY=: Aye.
34:41
Tad Eggleston: Okay…
34:42
DO54fZHh0mgwdiu9GgAAGAAAAGYGj2BT6KTC0a9QFUbXUtFs3xEvFdyI1TPFqBBYu/DLPHkafehHEGY=: I hope I say it right.
34:45
Tad Eggleston: Well, I mean, the one nice thing about Google is you don't always have to spell it right. If you come… become anywhere close.
34:51
DO54fZHh0mgwdiu9GgAAGAAAAGYGj2BT6KTC0a9QFUbXUtFs3xEvFdyI1TPFqBBYu/DLPHkafehHEGY=: Sometimes.
34:53
Tad Eggleston: And throw in the word comics, you find it.
34:57
DO54fZHh0mgwdiu9GgAAGAAAAGYGj2BT6KTC0a9QFUbXUtFs3xEvFdyI1TPFqBBYu/DLPHkafehHEGY=: Yeah, maybe, but…
34:58
Tad Eggleston: Oh, I'm looking at his work, this is nice.
35:01
DO54fZHh0mgwdiu9GgAAGAAAAGYGj2BT6KTC0a9QFUbXUtFs3xEvFdyI1TPFqBBYu/DLPHkafehHEGY=: Yeah, I really love the way he works, the way he drove.
35:05
DO54fZHh0mgwdiu9GgAAGAAAAGYGj2BT6KTC0a9QFUbXUtFs3xEvFdyI1TPFqBBYu/DLPHkafehHEGY=: Love it.
35:12
Tad Eggleston: See, this is what… this is part of the reason I asked the question, is I'm always hoping to find something that I haven't read, that I…
35:18
Tad Eggleston: I have to go track down and read.
35:21
DO54fZHh0mgwdiu9GgAAGAAAAGYGj2BT6KTC0a9QFUbXUtFs3xEvFdyI1TPFqBBYu/DLPHkafehHEGY=: I think, yeah, I think I might say they… they are mature, like, teachers.
35:28
Tad Eggleston: Yeah.
35:29
Tad Eggleston: My favorites.
35:31
Tad Eggleston: Yeah I… I'm… I'm looking at a little bit right here, and… We'll definitely need to…
35:41
DO54fZHh0mgwdiu9GgAAGAAAAGYGj2BT6KTC0a9QFUbXUtFs3xEvFdyI1TPFqBBYu/DLPHkafehHEGY=: Also, I love how it,
35:44
DO54fZHh0mgwdiu9GgAAGAAAAGYGj2BT6KTC0a9QFUbXUtFs3xEvFdyI1TPFqBBYu/DLPHkafehHEGY=: How he… he draws architectures, as you can… as you can see, and, yeah.
35:51
Tad Eggleston: Yeah. I really like this kind of attention to landscapes.
35:55
DO54fZHh0mgwdiu9GgAAGAAAAGYGj2BT6KTC0a9QFUbXUtFs3xEvFdyI1TPFqBBYu/DLPHkafehHEGY=: Urban Lab.
35:56
Tad Eggleston: texture.
35:56
DO54fZHh0mgwdiu9GgAAGAAAAGYGj2BT6KTC0a9QFUbXUtFs3xEvFdyI1TPFqBBYu/DLPHkafehHEGY=: Rips there, and, yeah.
35:59
Tad Eggleston: Architecture and the hatching is really great. I'm also noticing… that…
36:05
Tad Eggleston: He can go back and forth.
36:08
DO54fZHh0mgwdiu9GgAAGAAAAGYGj2BT6KTC0a9QFUbXUtFs3xEvFdyI1TPFqBBYu/DLPHkafehHEGY=: Hmm.
36:09
Tad Eggleston: Between being… Really detailed with his characters.
36:15
Tad Eggleston: And… less detailed, but focusing on the key features.
36:21
DO54fZHh0mgwdiu9GgAAGAAAAGYGj2BT6KTC0a9QFUbXUtFs3xEvFdyI1TPFqBBYu/DLPHkafehHEGY=: Which…
36:23
Tad Eggleston: Which is a skill that not enough cartoonists have, but is.
36:26
Tad Eggleston: really, really powerful.
36:28
Tad Eggleston: I mean…
36:30
DO54fZHh0mgwdiu9GgAAGAAAAGYGj2BT6KTC0a9QFUbXUtFs3xEvFdyI1TPFqBBYu/DLPHkafehHEGY=: Yeah, I agree.
36:30
Tad Eggleston: I read Love and Rockets a lot, and one of the things that makes Jaime Hernandez a master.
36:38
DO54fZHh0mgwdiu9GgAAGAAAAGYGj2BT6KTC0a9QFUbXUtFs3xEvFdyI1TPFqBBYu/DLPHkafehHEGY=: Is his ability to, like, completely switch styles.
36:42
Tad Eggleston: On the same page, based on the emotion that he wants to come out.
36:47
Tad Eggleston: You know, he's often incredibly realistic, until… until a manga style will get the emotion out more.
36:54
Tad Eggleston: And then suddenly you have that…
36:56
Tad Eggleston: bombastic manga style, or you've got a panel that reminds you of Charles Schultz, because having that simplicity…
37:07
DO54fZHh0mgwdiu9GgAAGAAAAGYGj2BT6KTC0a9QFUbXUtFs3xEvFdyI1TPFqBBYu/DLPHkafehHEGY=: Yeah, I see.
37:08
Tad Eggleston: what was called for. So, yeah, I'm… I'm just at, the, the Lambiac Comiclopedia.
37:15
DO54fZHh0mgwdiu9GgAAGAAAAGYGj2BT6KTC0a9QFUbXUtFs3xEvFdyI1TPFqBBYu/DLPHkafehHEGY=: From the Lambiac shop in, I think, Belgium.
37:18
Tad Eggleston: Is… is a great, great space to go learn a little bit about almost anybody who's ever drawn a comic.
37:26
DO54fZHh0mgwdiu9GgAAGAAAAGYGj2BT6KTC0a9QFUbXUtFs3xEvFdyI1TPFqBBYu/DLPHkafehHEGY=: just been…
37:26
Tad Eggleston: Based on the four panels.
37:28
Tad Eggleston: that they have at that site. I'm like, okay, yes, I agree, I need to go find this guy.
37:38
DO54fZHh0mgwdiu9GgAAGAAAAGYGj2BT6KTC0a9QFUbXUtFs3xEvFdyI1TPFqBBYu/DLPHkafehHEGY=: Anyway, I'm… how do you say, beyond these two, like, two authors, I'm not very fond of reading books.
37:51
DO54fZHh0mgwdiu9GgAAGAAAAGYGj2BT6KTC0a9QFUbXUtFs3xEvFdyI1TPFqBBYu/DLPHkafehHEGY=: comic books. I do them, but I don't read them that much.
37:56
Tad Eggleston: Okay.
37:57
DO54fZHh0mgwdiu9GgAAGAAAAGYGj2BT6KTC0a9QFUbXUtFs3xEvFdyI1TPFqBBYu/DLPHkafehHEGY=: I mean, it's a weird contradiction, that's…
37:59
Tad Eggleston: No, I'm…
38:00
DO54fZHh0mgwdiu9GgAAGAAAAGYGj2BT6KTC0a9QFUbXUtFs3xEvFdyI1TPFqBBYu/DLPHkafehHEGY=: I always say that, because I think it's interesting, but I cannot explain that. I mean, I can take a lot of inspiration from a lot of things, a lot of kind of arts, like painting, like…
38:16
Tad Eggleston: Right?
38:16
DO54fZHh0mgwdiu9GgAAGAAAAGYGj2BT6KTC0a9QFUbXUtFs3xEvFdyI1TPFqBBYu/DLPHkafehHEGY=: cinema, and, oral… Right.
38:21
DO54fZHh0mgwdiu9GgAAGAAAAGYGj2BT6KTC0a9QFUbXUtFs3xEvFdyI1TPFqBBYu/DLPHkafehHEGY=: Mostly, like, literature.
38:23
DO54fZHh0mgwdiu9GgAAGAAAAGYGj2BT6KTC0a9QFUbXUtFs3xEvFdyI1TPFqBBYu/DLPHkafehHEGY=: Right. Everything, but the least I find, is,
38:32
DO54fZHh0mgwdiu9GgAAGAAAAGYGj2BT6KTC0a9QFUbXUtFs3xEvFdyI1TPFqBBYu/DLPHkafehHEGY=: How do you say? In comic books. The less I found. I don't know why.
38:36
Tad Eggleston: Particularly among the artists that I've talked to, that's not ridiculously uncommon. A lot of it is, like.
38:48
Tad Eggleston: I mean, a lot of them will, like, know the artwork and not the story at all. It's like, oh yeah, I can tell you all about his page structure! Oh, no, I don't know what the story was about.
38:59
Tad Eggleston: And they get a lot of their stories for…
39:02
DO54fZHh0mgwdiu9GgAAGAAAAGYGj2BT6KTC0a9QFUbXUtFs3xEvFdyI1TPFqBBYu/DLPHkafehHEGY=: Dear.
39:02
Tad Eggleston: or their story inspirations from elsewhere. So, yeah, no, that's a… I mean, then I'm gonna ask the side question, what kind of books and movies do you like?
39:16
DO54fZHh0mgwdiu9GgAAGAAAAGYGj2BT6KTC0a9QFUbXUtFs3xEvFdyI1TPFqBBYu/DLPHkafehHEGY=: life.
39:17
DO54fZHh0mgwdiu9GgAAGAAAAGYGj2BT6KTC0a9QFUbXUtFs3xEvFdyI1TPFqBBYu/DLPHkafehHEGY=: Let me think about it. I always say, because I love a lot of movies, but of course, when someone asks me for that, all these movies disappear.
39:31
Tad Eggleston: Of course. So you have to… to pick them up from somewhere. Understood.
39:35
DO54fZHh0mgwdiu9GgAAGAAAAGYGj2BT6KTC0a9QFUbXUtFs3xEvFdyI1TPFqBBYu/DLPHkafehHEGY=: Maybe there is, like, one classic movie, I really love how it, like, it's made, it's, like, transporting, or it's very, like, classic. Transporting?
39:46
Tad Eggleston: But I kind of, like, love everything from this movie.
39:50
DO54fZHh0mgwdiu9GgAAGAAAAGYGj2BT6KTC0a9QFUbXUtFs3xEvFdyI1TPFqBBYu/DLPHkafehHEGY=: every, like, choice they made for the style, the landscape, everything, I think it's very genius. I really love it.
40:02
DO54fZHh0mgwdiu9GgAAGAAAAGYGj2BT6KTC0a9QFUbXUtFs3xEvFdyI1TPFqBBYu/DLPHkafehHEGY=: Maybe because also, it's, like, depicting,
40:09
DO54fZHh0mgwdiu9GgAAGAAAAGYGj2BT6KTC0a9QFUbXUtFs3xEvFdyI1TPFqBBYu/DLPHkafehHEGY=: Edinburgh. I don't know if it's the right pronunciation.
40:14
Tad Eggleston: No, that's the right pronunciation.
40:15
DO54fZHh0mgwdiu9GgAAGAAAAGYGj2BT6KTC0a9QFUbXUtFs3xEvFdyI1TPFqBBYu/DLPHkafehHEGY=: Yeah, Edinburgh, from the outskirts.
40:19
DO54fZHh0mgwdiu9GgAAGAAAAGYGj2BT6KTC0a9QFUbXUtFs3xEvFdyI1TPFqBBYu/DLPHkafehHEGY=: So, the ugly places from, from Edinburgh, so you… we say… we see the city, but we don't see that.
40:27
DO54fZHh0mgwdiu9GgAAGAAAAGYGj2BT6KTC0a9QFUbXUtFs3xEvFdyI1TPFqBBYu/DLPHkafehHEGY=: Right. And then some… it's something I love to do myself in my books.
40:33
DO54fZHh0mgwdiu9GgAAGAAAAGYGj2BT6KTC0a9QFUbXUtFs3xEvFdyI1TPFqBBYu/DLPHkafehHEGY=: To show something we might don't like to see from the cities.
40:38
DO54fZHh0mgwdiu9GgAAGAAAAGYGj2BT6KTC0a9QFUbXUtFs3xEvFdyI1TPFqBBYu/DLPHkafehHEGY=: Because they are very, like, there are plenty of very funny things to see.
40:43
Tad Eggleston: Right. What'd you say?
40:44
Tad Eggleston: The human parts, rather than the tourist parts.
40:47
DO54fZHh0mgwdiu9GgAAGAAAAGYGj2BT6KTC0a9QFUbXUtFs3xEvFdyI1TPFqBBYu/DLPHkafehHEGY=: Yeah, yeah, of course. Without the tourist, like, the tourist section, and, yeah.
40:56
DO54fZHh0mgwdiu9GgAAGAAAAGYGj2BT6KTC0a9QFUbXUtFs3xEvFdyI1TPFqBBYu/DLPHkafehHEGY=: Then I found out all those scenes from Tree Spotting are not from Edinburgh, but from Glasgow, so…
41:05
DO54fZHh0mgwdiu9GgAAGAAAAGYGj2BT6KTC0a9QFUbXUtFs3xEvFdyI1TPFqBBYu/DLPHkafehHEGY=: But it doesn't count, I mean, the way they show you that, it's a funny way to know a city.
41:12
Tad Eggleston: Right.
41:13
DO54fZHh0mgwdiu9GgAAGAAAAGYGj2BT6KTC0a9QFUbXUtFs3xEvFdyI1TPFqBBYu/DLPHkafehHEGY=: I don't know.
41:15
DO54fZHh0mgwdiu9GgAAGAAAAGYGj2BT6KTC0a9QFUbXUtFs3xEvFdyI1TPFqBBYu/DLPHkafehHEGY=: Maybe another one from America, like.
41:19
Tad Eggleston: Doesn't have to be from America.
41:20
DO54fZHh0mgwdiu9GgAAGAAAAGYGj2BT6KTC0a9QFUbXUtFs3xEvFdyI1TPFqBBYu/DLPHkafehHEGY=: Huh?
41:21
DO54fZHh0mgwdiu9GgAAGAAAAGYGj2BT6KTC0a9QFUbXUtFs3xEvFdyI1TPFqBBYu/DLPHkafehHEGY=: Doesn't have to be from America. It's, it happens to be.
41:28
Tad Eggleston: Okay, I just wanted to make certain that you weren't.
41:30
DO54fZHh0mgwdiu9GgAAGAAAAGYGj2BT6KTC0a9QFUbXUtFs3xEvFdyI1TPFqBBYu/DLPHkafehHEGY=: I don't want to be… to be nice. Don't want to be…
41:34
DO54fZHh0mgwdiu9GgAAGAAAAGYGj2BT6KTC0a9QFUbXUtFs3xEvFdyI1TPFqBBYu/DLPHkafehHEGY=: No, it's, Koyani Skatsi.
41:37
Tad Eggleston: What was that?
41:37
DO54fZHh0mgwdiu9GgAAGAAAAGYGj2BT6KTC0a9QFUbXUtFs3xEvFdyI1TPFqBBYu/DLPHkafehHEGY=: Hoyanni Skatsi?
41:41
DO54fZHh0mgwdiu9GgAAGAAAAGYGj2BT6KTC0a9QFUbXUtFs3xEvFdyI1TPFqBBYu/DLPHkafehHEGY=: Did I say that right? It's a… it's an Indian word. It's a… how do you say?
41:46
DO54fZHh0mgwdiu9GgAAGAAAAGYGj2BT6KTC0a9QFUbXUtFs3xEvFdyI1TPFqBBYu/DLPHkafehHEGY=: India, I'm from America, word.
41:49
Tad Eggleston: Native American.
41:49
DO54fZHh0mgwdiu9GgAAGAAAAGYGj2BT6KTC0a9QFUbXUtFs3xEvFdyI1TPFqBBYu/DLPHkafehHEGY=: world.
41:51
Tad Eggleston: I can spell it, because it's very hard to…
41:57
DO54fZHh0mgwdiu9GgAAGAAAAGYGj2BT6KTC0a9QFUbXUtFs3xEvFdyI1TPFqBBYu/DLPHkafehHEGY=: I don't even know…
41:58
Tad Eggleston: Who was in it?
42:00
DO54fZHh0mgwdiu9GgAAGAAAAGYGj2BT6KTC0a9QFUbXUtFs3xEvFdyI1TPFqBBYu/DLPHkafehHEGY=: It's, there's nobody, it's not with actors.
42:03
Tad Eggleston: Oh, okay.
42:04
DO54fZHh0mgwdiu9GgAAGAAAAGYGj2BT6KTC0a9QFUbXUtFs3xEvFdyI1TPFqBBYu/DLPHkafehHEGY=: It's very… the movie's very good, because it's just landscapes.
42:09
DO54fZHh0mgwdiu9GgAAGAAAAGYGj2BT6KTC0a9QFUbXUtFs3xEvFdyI1TPFqBBYu/DLPHkafehHEGY=: with the musics of, Philippe Glass, It's like,
42:16
DO54fZHh0mgwdiu9GgAAGAAAAGYGj2BT6KTC0a9QFUbXUtFs3xEvFdyI1TPFqBBYu/DLPHkafehHEGY=: Telling you about the consumption of the soil, of the territory.
42:23
DO54fZHh0mgwdiu9GgAAGAAAAGYGj2BT6KTC0a9QFUbXUtFs3xEvFdyI1TPFqBBYu/DLPHkafehHEGY=: And by just.
42:23
Tad Eggleston: I'll be honest.
42:24
DO54fZHh0mgwdiu9GgAAGAAAAGYGj2BT6KTC0a9QFUbXUtFs3xEvFdyI1TPFqBBYu/DLPHkafehHEGY=: Going land.
42:25
Tad Eggleston: Koyanas Katsi.
42:27
DO54fZHh0mgwdiu9GgAAGAAAAGYGj2BT6KTC0a9QFUbXUtFs3xEvFdyI1TPFqBBYu/DLPHkafehHEGY=: Yeah, we… there is a queue, there is a case nowhere…
42:31
Tad Eggleston: balance.
42:33
DO54fZHh0mgwdiu9GgAAGAAAAGYGj2BT6KTC0a9QFUbXUtFs3xEvFdyI1TPFqBBYu/DLPHkafehHEGY=: Yeah, that one.
42:34
Tad Eggleston: Yep.
42:35
Tad Eggleston: Yeah, as soon as you said fill up glass, finding it was easier.
42:39
DO54fZHh0mgwdiu9GgAAGAAAAGYGj2BT6KTC0a9QFUbXUtFs3xEvFdyI1TPFqBBYu/DLPHkafehHEGY=: Heh, I.
42:41
Tad Eggleston: I, I, I.
42:42
DO54fZHh0mgwdiu9GgAAGAAAAGYGj2BT6KTC0a9QFUbXUtFs3xEvFdyI1TPFqBBYu/DLPHkafehHEGY=: Researching is…
42:44
Tad Eggleston: thing that I do.
42:46
DO54fZHh0mgwdiu9GgAAGAAAAGYGj2BT6KTC0a9QFUbXUtFs3xEvFdyI1TPFqBBYu/DLPHkafehHEGY=: Yeah, yeah. Yeah, me too.
42:48
Tad Eggleston: Francis… Francis Fort Coppola.
42:51
Tad Eggleston: produced it.
42:52
DO54fZHh0mgwdiu9GgAAGAAAAGYGj2BT6KTC0a9QFUbXUtFs3xEvFdyI1TPFqBBYu/DLPHkafehHEGY=: I didn't know that.
42:57
DO54fZHh0mgwdiu9GgAAGAAAAGYGj2BT6KTC0a9QFUbXUtFs3xEvFdyI1TPFqBBYu/DLPHkafehHEGY=: I think the director has, Italian last name, maybe.
43:04
Tad Eggleston: God… er… yeah, Godfrey Reggio?
43:08
DO54fZHh0mgwdiu9GgAAGAAAAGYGj2BT6KTC0a9QFUbXUtFs3xEvFdyI1TPFqBBYu/DLPHkafehHEGY=: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
43:09
Tad Eggleston: Yeah, yeah.
43:10
DO54fZHh0mgwdiu9GgAAGAAAAGYGj2BT6KTC0a9QFUbXUtFs3xEvFdyI1TPFqBBYu/DLPHkafehHEGY=: Yeah, that's it.
43:14
Tad Eggleston: Yeah, this looks cool.
43:16
DO54fZHh0mgwdiu9GgAAGAAAAGYGj2BT6KTC0a9QFUbXUtFs3xEvFdyI1TPFqBBYu/DLPHkafehHEGY=: Yeah, but if there is… there are no scenes, there are no actors, they're just, like, showing,
43:22
DO54fZHh0mgwdiu9GgAAGAAAAGYGj2BT6KTC0a9QFUbXUtFs3xEvFdyI1TPFqBBYu/DLPHkafehHEGY=: Like, time lapses of, of the, like, the…
43:27
DO54fZHh0mgwdiu9GgAAGAAAAGYGj2BT6KTC0a9QFUbXUtFs3xEvFdyI1TPFqBBYu/DLPHkafehHEGY=: American nation, I don't know. The American country, the American, like, natural spaces.
43:34
DO54fZHh0mgwdiu9GgAAGAAAAGYGj2BT6KTC0a9QFUbXUtFs3xEvFdyI1TPFqBBYu/DLPHkafehHEGY=: In opposites to… to the big cities, the industries.
43:40
DO54fZHh0mgwdiu9GgAAGAAAAGYGj2BT6KTC0a9QFUbXUtFs3xEvFdyI1TPFqBBYu/DLPHkafehHEGY=: It's very interesting.
43:42
Tad Eggleston: Yeah.
43:43
Tad Eggleston: And I love Philip Glass's music.
43:46
DO54fZHh0mgwdiu9GgAAGAAAAGYGj2BT6KTC0a9QFUbXUtFs3xEvFdyI1TPFqBBYu/DLPHkafehHEGY=: Yeah, it's very good. I mean, I don't used to… I'm not used to listen to him, but in that movie, it's very good.
43:56
Tad Eggleston: Yeah. No, I actually… I discovered him because he took…
44:01
Tad Eggleston: a book of Leonard Cohen poetry, and wrote a song cycle around it, and I got to see, like, the debut performance, and it just blew my mind. Oh, really?
44:11
Tad Eggleston: And I knew I liked Leonard Cohen, but I'm like, oh wow, somebody doing…
44:17
Tad Eggleston: all of this Leonard Cohen stuff in a way that I can't quite imagine Cohen doing it, but it's still just
44:24
Tad Eggleston: Spot-on perfect.
44:27
Tad Eggleston: Was just… it was really special.
44:33
Tad Eggleston: And that made me… made me go, okay, now I need to go learn more about… Philip Glass.
44:40
DO54fZHh0mgwdiu9GgAAGAAAAGYGj2BT6KTC0a9QFUbXUtFs3xEvFdyI1TPFqBBYu/DLPHkafehHEGY=: I think it's a trilogy. That's the first movie, then you have other two movies with us.
44:47
DO54fZHh0mgwdiu9GgAAGAAAAGYGj2BT6KTC0a9QFUbXUtFs3xEvFdyI1TPFqBBYu/DLPHkafehHEGY=: a different name, always from Indian culture, and… Okay.
44:54
DO54fZHh0mgwdiu9GgAAGAAAAGYGj2BT6KTC0a9QFUbXUtFs3xEvFdyI1TPFqBBYu/DLPHkafehHEGY=: And they are, like, the same, kind of, narration.
45:01
Tad Eggleston: Very cool.
45:04
Tad Eggleston: That just went high on my list of movies to watch.
45:07
Tad Eggleston: I don't watch as many movies as I watch… watch… comics, but… but… that looks… Just ridiculously cool.
45:19
Tad Eggleston: And that's a… I mean, I think one of the reasons that I don't watch as many movies is, like, most of… for me, most of the storytelling that most people get out of movies, I get…
45:31
Tad Eggleston: Better out of comics.
45:33
Tad Eggleston: I feel like there's… there's a greater depth. Like, if I think of Comfortless, I can't really imagine what a movie…
45:40
Tad Eggleston: Would look like that would actually be as powerful.
45:44
Tad Eggleston: Right.
45:45
DO54fZHh0mgwdiu9GgAAGAAAAGYGj2BT6KTC0a9QFUbXUtFs3xEvFdyI1TPFqBBYu/DLPHkafehHEGY=: I don't know. Because…
45:46
Tad Eggleston: Because so… because so much… I mean, I'm not saying that they couldn't make a good movie out of it.
45:51
Tad Eggleston: If they wanted to, but, like, so much of its power is…
45:54
DO54fZHh0mgwdiu9GgAAGAAAAGYGj2BT6KTC0a9QFUbXUtFs3xEvFdyI1TPFqBBYu/DLPHkafehHEGY=: Hmm.
45:56
Tad Eggleston: In the spaces in between.
45:58
Tad Eggleston: In… in the things that, I mean, that… the panel structure, that you can't… you can't do, like…
46:05
Tad Eggleston: the cascading panel structure in a… in a… in a… in a movie. You can't… you can't…
46:12
Tad Eggleston: You can only have so much of your movie told via text message before it, like, becomes annoying, and you can, like…
46:19
Tad Eggleston: I mean, they're just little things that you can do so much better in comics.
46:23
Tad Eggleston: For that matter, the passage of time works better in comics.
46:28
Tad Eggleston: You know…
46:29
DO54fZHh0mgwdiu9GgAAGAAAAGYGj2BT6KTC0a9QFUbXUtFs3xEvFdyI1TPFqBBYu/DLPHkafehHEGY=: Yeah, I guess, each, like, medium has, like, its own,
46:37
Tad Eggleston: Strengths and.
46:37
DO54fZHh0mgwdiu9GgAAGAAAAGYGj2BT6KTC0a9QFUbXUtFs3xEvFdyI1TPFqBBYu/DLPHkafehHEGY=: Advantages, yeah, its own strengths.
46:41
DO54fZHh0mgwdiu9GgAAGAAAAGYGj2BT6KTC0a9QFUbXUtFs3xEvFdyI1TPFqBBYu/DLPHkafehHEGY=: It's all, like, skills, but, in the same time, it loses something.
46:47
DO54fZHh0mgwdiu9GgAAGAAAAGYGj2BT6KTC0a9QFUbXUtFs3xEvFdyI1TPFqBBYu/DLPHkafehHEGY=: Right. From another art that can have, so yeah. I mean, I really like to imitate movies when I do comics.
46:59
DO54fZHh0mgwdiu9GgAAGAAAAGYGj2BT6KTC0a9QFUbXUtFs3xEvFdyI1TPFqBBYu/DLPHkafehHEGY=: And… but there are some things, in, of course, in the comic book, as you're… like you're saying, that might not be, like, how do you say?
47:11
DO54fZHh0mgwdiu9GgAAGAAAAGYGj2BT6KTC0a9QFUbXUtFs3xEvFdyI1TPFqBBYu/DLPHkafehHEGY=: re… re… re… No, I can't do that.
47:17
DO54fZHh0mgwdiu9GgAAGAAAAGYGj2BT6KTC0a9QFUbXUtFs3xEvFdyI1TPFqBBYu/DLPHkafehHEGY=: Repeatable in a different form.
47:20
Tad Eggleston: Right. A different way.
47:22
Tad Eggleston: Adaptable.
47:24
DO54fZHh0mgwdiu9GgAAGAAAAGYGj2BT6KTC0a9QFUbXUtFs3xEvFdyI1TPFqBBYu/DLPHkafehHEGY=: Abd that, yeah, that's.
47:25
Tad Eggleston: Adaptable.
47:26
DO54fZHh0mgwdiu9GgAAGAAAAGYGj2BT6KTC0a9QFUbXUtFs3xEvFdyI1TPFqBBYu/DLPHkafehHEGY=: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
47:27
DO54fZHh0mgwdiu9GgAAGAAAAGYGj2BT6KTC0a9QFUbXUtFs3xEvFdyI1TPFqBBYu/DLPHkafehHEGY=: It can't be adaptable for cinema, as you're saying.
47:31
Tad Eggleston: Or at least it's… it's difficult to.
47:35
DO54fZHh0mgwdiu9GgAAGAAAAGYGj2BT6KTC0a9QFUbXUtFs3xEvFdyI1TPFqBBYu/DLPHkafehHEGY=: Hmm.
47:38
Tad Eggleston: Yeah, no, I mean, and the other thing that has me excited to go watch Koanakatsu. No.
47:46
Tad Eggleston: Is that, I think there aren't enough movies that are willing… to be quiet.
47:57
Tad Eggleston: You know, to my…
47:58
DO54fZHh0mgwdiu9GgAAGAAAAGYGj2BT6KTC0a9QFUbXUtFs3xEvFdyI1TPFqBBYu/DLPHkafehHEGY=: I mean, with no one… who talks?
48:02
Tad Eggleston: Right. You know, not constantly driven by dialogue, and don't get me wrong, I love dialogue, I love snappy dialogue, we all love snappy dialogue.
48:11
Tad Eggleston: But one of the…
48:14
Tad Eggleston: One of the things that film can do that we don't get from regular life is give you that
48:19
Tad Eggleston: just… Vision of…
48:23
DO54fZHh0mgwdiu9GgAAGAAAAGYGj2BT6KTC0a9QFUbXUtFs3xEvFdyI1TPFqBBYu/DLPHkafehHEGY=: Something.
48:24
Tad Eggleston: you know, sometimes an epic landscape, sometimes a really close-in shot of whatever, you know?
48:33
Tad Eggleston: And sometimes, like, you take away from that when it's part of a conversation, rather than just letting it be on the screen.
48:39
DO54fZHh0mgwdiu9GgAAGAAAAGYGj2BT6KTC0a9QFUbXUtFs3xEvFdyI1TPFqBBYu/DLPHkafehHEGY=: Okay.
48:40
Tad Eggleston: You know, so I'm always fascinated by filmmakers that aren't afraid to have…
48:48
Tad Eggleston: Extended sequences that aren't about the characters or the dialogue, or… in this case, it sounds like a movie that's not about the characters or the dialogue, it's about the visual.
48:59
DO54fZHh0mgwdiu9GgAAGAAAAGYGj2BT6KTC0a9QFUbXUtFs3xEvFdyI1TPFqBBYu/DLPHkafehHEGY=: Yo.
49:00
DO54fZHh0mgwdiu9GgAAGAAAAGYGj2BT6KTC0a9QFUbXUtFs3xEvFdyI1TPFqBBYu/DLPHkafehHEGY=: But, actually, I prefer movies with dialogues, with all of those dialogues.
49:06
Tad Eggleston: Yeah.
49:07
DO54fZHh0mgwdiu9GgAAGAAAAGYGj2BT6KTC0a9QFUbXUtFs3xEvFdyI1TPFqBBYu/DLPHkafehHEGY=: But,
49:09
DO54fZHh0mgwdiu9GgAAGAAAAGYGj2BT6KTC0a9QFUbXUtFs3xEvFdyI1TPFqBBYu/DLPHkafehHEGY=: I don't like comics in the same way. I mean, I prefer comics when they are more quiet.
49:17
Tad Eggleston: Okay.
49:18
DO54fZHh0mgwdiu9GgAAGAAAAGYGj2BT6KTC0a9QFUbXUtFs3xEvFdyI1TPFqBBYu/DLPHkafehHEGY=: But I… I like movies when they speak a lot, because.
49:22
Tad Eggleston: Yeah? I mean, my, my, my, one of my favorite directors is Kevin Smith, and, like, he, he…
49:30
Tad Eggleston: famously has his actors speak a lot, and my favorite television writer is Aaron Sorkin, who, when he…
49:37
Tad Eggleston: turned in scripts that were twice as long as they were supposed to, and was told that, how do you get this done in 40 minutes? He just said, talk faster.
49:45
Tad Eggleston: So, so I'm not opposed to a lot.
49:48
DO54fZHh0mgwdiu9GgAAGAAAAGYGj2BT6KTC0a9QFUbXUtFs3xEvFdyI1TPFqBBYu/DLPHkafehHEGY=: Of course.
49:51
Tad Eggleston: I just think that there's a lot that's lots of words, so I have a great appreciation for somebody who's willing to take that risk and…
49:59
Tad Eggleston: Do something that's more… Quiet.
50:04
DO54fZHh0mgwdiu9GgAAGAAAAGYGj2BT6KTC0a9QFUbXUtFs3xEvFdyI1TPFqBBYu/DLPHkafehHEGY=: Well, in comics… in comics, it's very easy. I mean,
50:10
DO54fZHh0mgwdiu9GgAAGAAAAGYGj2BT6KTC0a9QFUbXUtFs3xEvFdyI1TPFqBBYu/DLPHkafehHEGY=: It's interesting because sometimes we have to, like, we feel the urge to say a lot of things.
50:19
DO54fZHh0mgwdiu9GgAAGAAAAGYGj2BT6KTC0a9QFUbXUtFs3xEvFdyI1TPFqBBYu/DLPHkafehHEGY=: with the comics, but actually, it's easier and more effective not to use a lot of words, a lot of dialogues.
50:27
DO54fZHh0mgwdiu9GgAAGAAAAGYGj2BT6KTC0a9QFUbXUtFs3xEvFdyI1TPFqBBYu/DLPHkafehHEGY=: Because, once you, like, understand, you find out that you can use pauses.
50:35
DO54fZHh0mgwdiu9GgAAGAAAAGYGj2BT6KTC0a9QFUbXUtFs3xEvFdyI1TPFqBBYu/DLPHkafehHEGY=: To tell something, to make them speak, even they don't speak at all.
50:41
DO54fZHh0mgwdiu9GgAAGAAAAGYGj2BT6KTC0a9QFUbXUtFs3xEvFdyI1TPFqBBYu/DLPHkafehHEGY=: Right. It's a very… you find a… you discover a very powerful language that is not very difficult to use.
50:50
Tad Eggleston: Right.
50:51
DO54fZHh0mgwdiu9GgAAGAAAAGYGj2BT6KTC0a9QFUbXUtFs3xEvFdyI1TPFqBBYu/DLPHkafehHEGY=: I mean, you have to be, like, to know when to use them, but
50:56
DO54fZHh0mgwdiu9GgAAGAAAAGYGj2BT6KTC0a9QFUbXUtFs3xEvFdyI1TPFqBBYu/DLPHkafehHEGY=: I mean… Not very difficult.
50:58
Tad Eggleston: You say this…
50:59
DO54fZHh0mgwdiu9GgAAGAAAAGYGj2BT6KTC0a9QFUbXUtFs3xEvFdyI1TPFqBBYu/DLPHkafehHEGY=: But yeah.
51:00
Tad Eggleston: You know how to make your characters act. I don't draw that well, so, like, I don't get the action across if I try to…
51:09
DO54fZHh0mgwdiu9GgAAGAAAAGYGj2BT6KTC0a9QFUbXUtFs3xEvFdyI1TPFqBBYu/DLPHkafehHEGY=: Yeah, maybe it's very difficult to do that, like, in the cinema, of course.
51:13
DO54fZHh0mgwdiu9GgAAGAAAAGYGj2BT6KTC0a9QFUbXUtFs3xEvFdyI1TPFqBBYu/DLPHkafehHEGY=: So, it's always, in comics… in comics, the artist is…
51:21
Tad Eggleston: the… I mean, if you put comics into cinema terms, the artist is the director, the cinematographer, all of the actors, the costume designer, the choreographer.
51:36
Tad Eggleston: You know, facial expression and body language is not an easy thing to capture.
51:44
DO54fZHh0mgwdiu9GgAAGAAAAGYGj2BT6KTC0a9QFUbXUtFs3xEvFdyI1TPFqBBYu/DLPHkafehHEGY=: Yeah.
51:45
Tad Eggleston: And you do it really well, so, like…
51:49
DO54fZHh0mgwdiu9GgAAGAAAAGYGj2BT6KTC0a9QFUbXUtFs3xEvFdyI1TPFqBBYu/DLPHkafehHEGY=: Because in comics, it's easier.
51:51
Tad Eggleston: I don't think it's easier, I think that people who can do it.
51:54
DO54fZHh0mgwdiu9GgAAGAAAAGYGj2BT6KTC0a9QFUbXUtFs3xEvFdyI1TPFqBBYu/DLPHkafehHEGY=: More than, more than cinema…
51:56
Tad Eggleston: It feels easier to them.
51:58
DO54fZHh0mgwdiu9GgAAGAAAAGYGj2BT6KTC0a9QFUbXUtFs3xEvFdyI1TPFqBBYu/DLPHkafehHEGY=: But… and it's very… it's very cheap.
52:01
Tad Eggleston: Yeah, well…
52:02
DO54fZHh0mgwdiu9GgAAGAAAAGYGj2BT6KTC0a9QFUbXUtFs3xEvFdyI1TPFqBBYu/DLPHkafehHEGY=: Goodbye!
52:03
Tad Eggleston: It's less expensive than cinema. That's true.
52:06
DO54fZHh0mgwdiu9GgAAGAAAAGYGj2BT6KTC0a9QFUbXUtFs3xEvFdyI1TPFqBBYu/DLPHkafehHEGY=: Yeah, I mean…
52:07
Tad Eggleston: But I actually think… I think… I think that there are probably as many good actors out there.
52:13
Tad Eggleston: Or more, as there are people who can draw.
52:18
Tad Eggleston: good facial ex… I mean, even among comics pros, there are people who don't do well at showing emotion on the page.
52:26
Tad Eggleston: Right? Whereas, you very rarely go to community theater and see an actor that can't emote.
52:34
DO54fZHh0mgwdiu9GgAAGAAAAGYGj2BT6KTC0a9QFUbXUtFs3xEvFdyI1TPFqBBYu/DLPHkafehHEGY=: Yeah, of course.
52:35
Tad Eggleston: Don't… don't…
52:36
DO54fZHh0mgwdiu9GgAAGAAAAGYGj2BT6KTC0a9QFUbXUtFs3xEvFdyI1TPFqBBYu/DLPHkafehHEGY=: Down…
52:37
Tad Eggleston: your skill, man.
52:41
Tad Eggleston: I love that it comes easy to you, but I think it's a real skill.
52:46
DO54fZHh0mgwdiu9GgAAGAAAAGYGj2BT6KTC0a9QFUbXUtFs3xEvFdyI1TPFqBBYu/DLPHkafehHEGY=: No, I mean, that was a very big studying of expression, of course.
52:51
Tad Eggleston: Yeah.
52:52
DO54fZHh0mgwdiu9GgAAGAAAAGYGj2BT6KTC0a9QFUbXUtFs3xEvFdyI1TPFqBBYu/DLPHkafehHEGY=: I have a book… who explained how to… to draw the muscles of the face. I mean…
53:00
DO54fZHh0mgwdiu9GgAAGAAAAGYGj2BT6KTC0a9QFUbXUtFs3xEvFdyI1TPFqBBYu/DLPHkafehHEGY=: They explain you all the muscles, you have a lot of muscles in your face, and they work in different ways to make this expression of sadness, of happiness.
53:12
Tad Eggleston: Oh, wow.
53:13
DO54fZHh0mgwdiu9GgAAGAAAAGYGj2BT6KTC0a9QFUbXUtFs3xEvFdyI1TPFqBBYu/DLPHkafehHEGY=: Because, like, there was a moment I couldn't, like, draw crying faces, because it's very difficult to…
53:24
DO54fZHh0mgwdiu9GgAAGAAAAGYGj2BT6KTC0a9QFUbXUtFs3xEvFdyI1TPFqBBYu/DLPHkafehHEGY=: To understand how the mouth,
53:28
DO54fZHh0mgwdiu9GgAAGAAAAGYGj2BT6KTC0a9QFUbXUtFs3xEvFdyI1TPFqBBYu/DLPHkafehHEGY=: contract itself to make, like, the… I don't know how to say in English.
53:34
DO54fZHh0mgwdiu9GgAAGAAAAGYGj2BT6KTC0a9QFUbXUtFs3xEvFdyI1TPFqBBYu/DLPHkafehHEGY=: the grouch, I guess, no? The…
53:36
Tad Eggleston: The frown?
53:38
DO54fZHh0mgwdiu9GgAAGAAAAGYGj2BT6KTC0a9QFUbXUtFs3xEvFdyI1TPFqBBYu/DLPHkafehHEGY=: I don't know, the opposite of smile.
53:41
Tad Eggleston: Frown is the opposite of smile, and it's close enough.
53:46
DO54fZHh0mgwdiu9GgAAGAAAAGYGj2BT6KTC0a9QFUbXUtFs3xEvFdyI1TPFqBBYu/DLPHkafehHEGY=: I don't know if we actually have a good word for that look that you make when you're crying, though.
53:52
DO54fZHh0mgwdiu9GgAAGAAAAGYGj2BT6KTC0a9QFUbXUtFs3xEvFdyI1TPFqBBYu/DLPHkafehHEGY=: We have in Italy, broncho.
53:55
DO54fZHh0mgwdiu9GgAAGAAAAGYGj2BT6KTC0a9QFUbXUtFs3xEvFdyI1TPFqBBYu/DLPHkafehHEGY=: Okay, I'll have to remember that. Okay.
53:58
Tad Eggleston: Well, I mean, that's one of the reasons I'm fascinated by languages, and actually enjoy.
54:03
DO54fZHh0mgwdiu9GgAAGAAAAGYGj2BT6KTC0a9QFUbXUtFs3xEvFdyI1TPFqBBYu/DLPHkafehHEGY=: Hmm.
54:03
Tad Eggleston: having conversations with people that we might have to struggle with the words, because I learn about their language. I mean, I'm terrible at languages, but I'm fascinated by them because every language has words that are essentially non-translatable.
54:18
Tad Eggleston: Because somebody thought of something in that language that…
54:23
Tad Eggleston: That other people just didn't think about.
54:26
Tad Eggleston: I mean, what does Schadenfreude say about the Germans?
54:32
Tad Eggleston: Somebody decided there needed to be a word for taking pleasure in somebody else's pain.
54:39
DO54fZHh0mgwdiu9GgAAGAAAAGYGj2BT6KTC0a9QFUbXUtFs3xEvFdyI1TPFqBBYu/DLPHkafehHEGY=: What's the… what's the word again?
54:41
Tad Eggleston: Schadenfreude.
54:42
DO54fZHh0mgwdiu9GgAAGAAAAGYGj2BT6KTC0a9QFUbXUtFs3xEvFdyI1TPFqBBYu/DLPHkafehHEGY=: Schadenfreude. Very nice. I really love German, I love how it works. And yeah, there was another,
54:51
DO54fZHh0mgwdiu9GgAAGAAAAGYGj2BT6KTC0a9QFUbXUtFs3xEvFdyI1TPFqBBYu/DLPHkafehHEGY=: Well, doesn't matter, but I used to remember another word in Germany, in German, Who is not translatable.
55:01
DO54fZHh0mgwdiu9GgAAGAAAAGYGj2BT6KTC0a9QFUbXUtFs3xEvFdyI1TPFqBBYu/DLPHkafehHEGY=: But, how it, when you see the composition of the word, you understand what's the meaning.
55:09
DO54fZHh0mgwdiu9GgAAGAAAAGYGj2BT6KTC0a9QFUbXUtFs3xEvFdyI1TPFqBBYu/DLPHkafehHEGY=: Even if you don't have that word in Italy or English.
55:14
Tad Eggleston: Right?
55:15
Tad Eggleston: That… that would be a really…
55:17
Tad Eggleston: Great word to have in most languages.
55:20
Tad Eggleston: I mean, this is… this is, again, like.
55:23
DO54fZHh0mgwdiu9GgAAGAAAAGYGj2BT6KTC0a9QFUbXUtFs3xEvFdyI1TPFqBBYu/DLPHkafehHEGY=: I mean, I think it might be, like, a sadism.
55:27
Tad Eggleston: Yeah.
55:28
Tad Eggleston: Languages say a lot about cultures.
55:32
DO54fZHh0mgwdiu9GgAAGAAAAGYGj2BT6KTC0a9QFUbXUtFs3xEvFdyI1TPFqBBYu/DLPHkafehHEGY=: Yeah, yeah.
55:34
Tad Eggleston: you know, I'm always fascinated by… by… by… and again, I have no aptitude for them, so I never remember them. Like, I'll fall down a rabbit hole of looking them up and… and… you know, but like…
55:47
Tad Eggleston: English doesn't differentiate between different kinds of love very well.
55:52
Tad Eggleston: you know, we just say love. We don't have something that means romantic love, and something that means familial love, and something that means love between two friends, or I love ice cream, or… you know, whereas other languages have, like, a thousand different words.
56:07
DO54fZHh0mgwdiu9GgAAGAAAAGYGj2BT6KTC0a9QFUbXUtFs3xEvFdyI1TPFqBBYu/DLPHkafehHEGY=: Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's a problem also for Italians.
56:11
Tad Eggleston: But we do have a lot of words for hate.
56:17
DO54fZHh0mgwdiu9GgAAGAAAAGYGj2BT6KTC0a9QFUbXUtFs3xEvFdyI1TPFqBBYu/DLPHkafehHEGY=: You… in, in America? In English?
56:20
Tad Eggleston: Yes.
56:20
DO54fZHh0mgwdiu9GgAAGAAAAGYGj2BT6KTC0a9QFUbXUtFs3xEvFdyI1TPFqBBYu/DLPHkafehHEGY=: Yeah, you're right.
56:21
Tad Eggleston: I had a lot of words to express.
56:23
DO54fZHh0mgwdiu9GgAAGAAAAGYGj2BT6KTC0a9QFUbXUtFs3xEvFdyI1TPFqBBYu/DLPHkafehHEGY=: Not for love, but for it, yeah, yeah, you're right.
56:26
Tad Eggleston: It's like…
56:29
DO54fZHh0mgwdiu9GgAAGAAAAGYGj2BT6KTC0a9QFUbXUtFs3xEvFdyI1TPFqBBYu/DLPHkafehHEGY=: I didn't think about that.
56:30
Tad Eggleston: What'd that say about us?
56:34
DO54fZHh0mgwdiu9GgAAGAAAAGYGj2BT6KTC0a9QFUbXUtFs3xEvFdyI1TPFqBBYu/DLPHkafehHEGY=: I mean, you might know all the nuance of hate.
56:39
Tad Eggleston: Right, very well.
56:42
Tad Eggleston: Yeah…
56:43
DO54fZHh0mgwdiu9GgAAGAAAAGYGj2BT6KTC0a9QFUbXUtFs3xEvFdyI1TPFqBBYu/DLPHkafehHEGY=: Rather than love.
56:44
Tad Eggleston: I… I don't… I don't think that's something to be proud of.
56:48
DO54fZHh0mgwdiu9GgAAGAAAAGYGj2BT6KTC0a9QFUbXUtFs3xEvFdyI1TPFqBBYu/DLPHkafehHEGY=: I don't know.
56:50
DO54fZHh0mgwdiu9GgAAGAAAAGYGj2BT6KTC0a9QFUbXUtFs3xEvFdyI1TPFqBBYu/DLPHkafehHEGY=: Maybe not.
56:51
Tad Eggleston: This is… I'm gonna ask one of my relatively new regular questions, I stumbled upon it.
56:57
DO54fZHh0mgwdiu9GgAAGAAAAGYGj2BT6KTC0a9QFUbXUtFs3xEvFdyI1TPFqBBYu/DLPHkafehHEGY=: But we've actually…
56:59
Tad Eggleston: You, you, you started cartooning… Professionally, what, 4 years ago?
57:04
DO54fZHh0mgwdiu9GgAAGAAAAGYGj2BT6KTC0a9QFUbXUtFs3xEvFdyI1TPFqBBYu/DLPHkafehHEGY=: 5…
57:06
Tad Eggleston: Five, yeah. I've been podcasting for 4 years, so we've been part of this comics community for about the same amount of time.
57:13
DO54fZHh0mgwdiu9GgAAGAAAAGYGj2BT6KTC0a9QFUbXUtFs3xEvFdyI1TPFqBBYu/DLPHkafehHEGY=: Hmm.
57:14
Tad Eggleston: And I'm kind of blown away.
57:17
DO54fZHh0mgwdiu9GgAAGAAAAGYGj2BT6KTC0a9QFUbXUtFs3xEvFdyI1TPFqBBYu/DLPHkafehHEGY=: at…
57:20
Tad Eggleston: like… A, just how welcoming the community is in general.
57:26
Tad Eggleston: be some of the experiences that I've gotten to have just because I've got this dinky little comics podcast that my mom listens to.
57:34
Tad Eggleston: Where people that used to just be…
57:38
Tad Eggleston: Names on a page of, like, my favorite things.
57:42
DO54fZHh0mgwdiu9GgAAGAAAAGYGj2BT6KTC0a9QFUbXUtFs3xEvFdyI1TPFqBBYu/DLPHkafehHEGY=: are now…
57:44
Tad Eggleston: friends of mine, or people that I've done things with. And there's a certain surreal aspect to that. And the more people I talk to in the industry, the more I realize that this isn't, like, uncommon.
57:56
DO54fZHh0mgwdiu9GgAAGAAAAGYGj2BT6KTC0a9QFUbXUtFs3xEvFdyI1TPFqBBYu/DLPHkafehHEGY=: You know, everybody has that story of.
57:59
Tad Eggleston: oh, I got to meet this person, or I can't believe I hung out for a weekend with that person.
58:05
DO54fZHh0mgwdiu9GgAAGAAAAGYGj2BT6KTC0a9QFUbXUtFs3xEvFdyI1TPFqBBYu/DLPHkafehHEGY=: working.
58:06
Tad Eggleston: I got sent to this place to go to a con, and this happened.
58:11
DO54fZHh0mgwdiu9GgAAGAAAAGYGj2BT6KTC0a9QFUbXUtFs3xEvFdyI1TPFqBBYu/DLPHkafehHEGY=: So, like…
58:14
Tad Eggleston: Talk to me about being part of the comics community, and…
58:19
DO54fZHh0mgwdiu9GgAAGAAAAGYGj2BT6KTC0a9QFUbXUtFs3xEvFdyI1TPFqBBYu/DLPHkafehHEGY=: Hmm.
58:19
Tad Eggleston: ways that it… that… that young Miguel would have gone, oh my god, you're awesome!
58:26
DO54fZHh0mgwdiu9GgAAGAAAAGYGj2BT6KTC0a9QFUbXUtFs3xEvFdyI1TPFqBBYu/DLPHkafehHEGY=: It's genius.
58:27
Tad Eggleston: They met you today and found out that you'd done blank.
58:33
DO54fZHh0mgwdiu9GgAAGAAAAGYGj2BT6KTC0a9QFUbXUtFs3xEvFdyI1TPFqBBYu/DLPHkafehHEGY=: I mean, it's, mostly the thing you said, like, going in different.
58:40
Tad Eggleston: But you get to give some specifics.
58:43
DO54fZHh0mgwdiu9GgAAGAAAAGYGj2BT6KTC0a9QFUbXUtFs3xEvFdyI1TPFqBBYu/DLPHkafehHEGY=: It's, it's just like that, I mean, I'm…
58:49
DO54fZHh0mgwdiu9GgAAGAAAAGYGj2BT6KTC0a9QFUbXUtFs3xEvFdyI1TPFqBBYu/DLPHkafehHEGY=: I really like to see, maybe, famous people from the comic world, like, doing, Like, getting angry, maybe?
58:59
Tad Eggleston: It's something like… I think it's like a privilege when you…
59:03
DO54fZHh0mgwdiu9GgAAGAAAAGYGj2BT6KTC0a9QFUbXUtFs3xEvFdyI1TPFqBBYu/DLPHkafehHEGY=: I do say,
59:06
DO54fZHh0mgwdiu9GgAAGAAAAGYGj2BT6KTC0a9QFUbXUtFs3xEvFdyI1TPFqBBYu/DLPHkafehHEGY=: When you witness something like that, when you see someone who is very famous getting angry, or getting teased…
59:13
DO54fZHh0mgwdiu9GgAAGAAAAGYGj2BT6KTC0a9QFUbXUtFs3xEvFdyI1TPFqBBYu/DLPHkafehHEGY=: Something like that. And, or maybe, like,
59:18
DO54fZHh0mgwdiu9GgAAGAAAAGYGj2BT6KTC0a9QFUbXUtFs3xEvFdyI1TPFqBBYu/DLPHkafehHEGY=: having a fight with a person, everybody knows, maybe, like, a fight, I mean,
59:26
DO54fZHh0mgwdiu9GgAAGAAAAGYGj2BT6KTC0a9QFUbXUtFs3xEvFdyI1TPFqBBYu/DLPHkafehHEGY=: Maybe… because you don't get along in the work.
59:31
DO54fZHh0mgwdiu9GgAAGAAAAGYGj2BT6KTC0a9QFUbXUtFs3xEvFdyI1TPFqBBYu/DLPHkafehHEGY=: And, that this, happens a lot of times, in,
59:37
DO54fZHh0mgwdiu9GgAAGAAAAGYGj2BT6KTC0a9QFUbXUtFs3xEvFdyI1TPFqBBYu/DLPHkafehHEGY=: I think in Italy, but also in France, like, you fight with, editors, publishers, because they, like, they don't respect, your, like.
59:51
DO54fZHh0mgwdiu9GgAAGAAAAGYGj2BT6KTC0a9QFUbXUtFs3xEvFdyI1TPFqBBYu/DLPHkafehHEGY=: your needs, all… all these things like that, and, but, of course,
59:58
DO54fZHh0mgwdiu9GgAAGAAAAGYGj2BT6KTC0a9QFUbXUtFs3xEvFdyI1TPFqBBYu/DLPHkafehHEGY=: just that, I mean,
1:00:01
DO54fZHh0mgwdiu9GgAAGAAAAGYGj2BT6KTC0a9QFUbXUtFs3xEvFdyI1TPFqBBYu/DLPHkafehHEGY=: the very nice thing of this job is to, like, visit a lot of places. You never, you never thought you…
1:00:14
DO54fZHh0mgwdiu9GgAAGAAAAGYGj2BT6KTC0a9QFUbXUtFs3xEvFdyI1TPFqBBYu/DLPHkafehHEGY=: He was able to see in the whole life.
1:00:17
DO54fZHh0mgwdiu9GgAAGAAAAGYGj2BT6KTC0a9QFUbXUtFs3xEvFdyI1TPFqBBYu/DLPHkafehHEGY=: And, do you have anything?
1:00:19
Tad Eggleston: Favorites?
1:00:20
DO54fZHh0mgwdiu9GgAAGAAAAGYGj2BT6KTC0a9QFUbXUtFs3xEvFdyI1TPFqBBYu/DLPHkafehHEGY=: I mean, I recently been in Poland.
1:00:26
Tad Eggleston: Okay. And I think…
1:00:27
DO54fZHh0mgwdiu9GgAAGAAAAGYGj2BT6KTC0a9QFUbXUtFs3xEvFdyI1TPFqBBYu/DLPHkafehHEGY=: you can say Poland is not that far from me, but I never saw a…
1:00:36
DO54fZHh0mgwdiu9GgAAGAAAAGYGj2BT6KTC0a9QFUbXUtFs3xEvFdyI1TPFqBBYu/DLPHkafehHEGY=: I was going to Poland.
1:00:37
DO54fZHh0mgwdiu9GgAAGAAAAGYGj2BT6KTC0a9QFUbXUtFs3xEvFdyI1TPFqBBYu/DLPHkafehHEGY=: with this job. Right. I don't know.
1:00:40
DO54fZHh0mgwdiu9GgAAGAAAAGYGj2BT6KTC0a9QFUbXUtFs3xEvFdyI1TPFqBBYu/DLPHkafehHEGY=: And the better part is, you don't pay nothing. I mean, it's okay, that's the very best part of it.
1:00:48
Tad Eggleston: Traveling for free.
1:00:50
DO54fZHh0mgwdiu9GgAAGAAAAGYGj2BT6KTC0a9QFUbXUtFs3xEvFdyI1TPFqBBYu/DLPHkafehHEGY=: Yes, definitely. It's very nice to, like, make a lot of trips, know a lot of different, like, cultures from,
1:01:02
DO54fZHh0mgwdiu9GgAAGAAAAGYGj2BT6KTC0a9QFUbXUtFs3xEvFdyI1TPFqBBYu/DLPHkafehHEGY=: From the comic world, and
1:01:05
DO54fZHh0mgwdiu9GgAAGAAAAGYGj2BT6KTC0a9QFUbXUtFs3xEvFdyI1TPFqBBYu/DLPHkafehHEGY=: The difference between the different publishers from different countries?
1:01:12
Tad Eggleston: Tell me if I'm wrong about this, but I kind of imagine Poland as, like, the…
1:01:21
Tad Eggleston: the European version of Pittsburgh. Nobody, nobody thinks, I need to go to Poland on vacation someday, but then you get there and you go, oh, this is really nice.
1:01:31
DO54fZHh0mgwdiu9GgAAGAAAAGYGj2BT6KTC0a9QFUbXUtFs3xEvFdyI1TPFqBBYu/DLPHkafehHEGY=: Yeah, it's very nice, Poland. It's a very nice place.
1:01:36
Tad Eggleston: Right.
1:01:36
DO54fZHh0mgwdiu9GgAAGAAAAGYGj2BT6KTC0a9QFUbXUtFs3xEvFdyI1TPFqBBYu/DLPHkafehHEGY=: Actually…
1:01:38
DO54fZHh0mgwdiu9GgAAGAAAAGYGj2BT6KTC0a9QFUbXUtFs3xEvFdyI1TPFqBBYu/DLPHkafehHEGY=: In some… there are some things, some things in, in Poland that are better than, Italy.
1:01:44
Tad Eggleston: Yeah.
1:01:44
DO54fZHh0mgwdiu9GgAAGAAAAGYGj2BT6KTC0a9QFUbXUtFs3xEvFdyI1TPFqBBYu/DLPHkafehHEGY=: I mean… I believe it.
1:01:46
DO54fZHh0mgwdiu9GgAAGAAAAGYGj2BT6KTC0a9QFUbXUtFs3xEvFdyI1TPFqBBYu/DLPHkafehHEGY=: Yeah, yeah, sure, but I mean, if, like, for instance, the nature, it's completely different. I mean, we… in Italy, we treat very bad nature. I mean, the parks, everything, looks very, like.
1:02:01
DO54fZHh0mgwdiu9GgAAGAAAAGYGj2BT6KTC0a9QFUbXUtFs3xEvFdyI1TPFqBBYu/DLPHkafehHEGY=: consumed the… Not, properly, how do you say.
1:02:07
Tad Eggleston: Maintained?
1:02:07
DO54fZHh0mgwdiu9GgAAGAAAAGYGj2BT6KTC0a9QFUbXUtFs3xEvFdyI1TPFqBBYu/DLPHkafehHEGY=: maintained, right? But if you go in Poland, it's completely different. You find very pretty nature in the middle of the cities, everything, I don't know.
1:02:19
Tad Eggleston: The value of their parks.
1:02:20
DO54fZHh0mgwdiu9GgAAGAAAAGYGj2BT6KTC0a9QFUbXUtFs3xEvFdyI1TPFqBBYu/DLPHkafehHEGY=: Yeah, of course, and of course, you can see that in Sweden, in this northern, country.
1:02:29
Tad Eggleston: Definitely something that I pay attention to when I'm traveling the United States, too, is.
1:02:33
DO54fZHh0mgwdiu9GgAAGAAAAGYGj2BT6KTC0a9QFUbXUtFs3xEvFdyI1TPFqBBYu/DLPHkafehHEGY=: language.
1:02:33
Tad Eggleston: Places value their parks.
1:02:36
DO54fZHh0mgwdiu9GgAAGAAAAGYGj2BT6KTC0a9QFUbXUtFs3xEvFdyI1TPFqBBYu/DLPHkafehHEGY=: Yeah, I mean, you can find very beautiful parks in U.S.
1:02:40
Tad Eggleston: Yeah.
1:02:40
DO54fZHh0mgwdiu9GgAAGAAAAGYGj2BT6KTC0a9QFUbXUtFs3xEvFdyI1TPFqBBYu/DLPHkafehHEGY=: Jesus. Yeah, yeah.
1:02:41
Tad Eggleston: And you can find other places where they don't. I mean, in a lot of ways.
1:02:44
DO54fZHh0mgwdiu9GgAAGAAAAGYGj2BT6KTC0a9QFUbXUtFs3xEvFdyI1TPFqBBYu/DLPHkafehHEGY=: Yeah, yeah, I mean, it's a very big country.
1:02:47
Tad Eggleston: Well, yeah, and there's enough governing done at the state level and at the local level that we're very… in a lot of ways, we're 50 different countries.
1:02:58
Tad Eggleston: And sometimes we're more than that, because, like, the way things work in Chicago and the way things work in the rest of Illinois can be very, very different.
1:03:10
Tad Eggleston: But, yeah, no, I like that.
1:03:13
Tad Eggleston: Okay, so final question, and it sounds like it's not going to be a comic from you, because you don't read as many comics, but tell me something you love.
1:03:22
Tad Eggleston: Preferably comic, but we don't have rules.
1:03:25
Tad Eggleston: Preferably storytelling, but again, with the rules, but something that you love.
1:03:30
Tad Eggleston: that you… Don't have enough people around you that have experienced it, and you want
1:03:37
Tad Eggleston: More of them, too, so you have more people to talk about it with.
1:03:41
DO54fZHh0mgwdiu9GgAAGAAAAGYGj2BT6KTC0a9QFUbXUtFs3xEvFdyI1TPFqBBYu/DLPHkafehHEGY=: I don't know, I don't know,
1:03:46
DO54fZHh0mgwdiu9GgAAGAAAAGYGj2BT6KTC0a9QFUbXUtFs3xEvFdyI1TPFqBBYu/DLPHkafehHEGY=: Because there's something I really love, but it's not…
1:03:53
DO54fZHh0mgwdiu9GgAAGAAAAGYGj2BT6KTC0a9QFUbXUtFs3xEvFdyI1TPFqBBYu/DLPHkafehHEGY=: I'm afraid to say that it's not a comic, of course.
1:03:57
Tad Eggleston: It's okay.
1:03:57
DO54fZHh0mgwdiu9GgAAGAAAAGYGj2BT6KTC0a9QFUbXUtFs3xEvFdyI1TPFqBBYu/DLPHkafehHEGY=: I mean, to give you an idea… He has no storytelling, neither.
1:04:01
Tad Eggleston: Andrew Iden, the last time he was on, said his tomato garden.
1:04:05
DO54fZHh0mgwdiu9GgAAGAAAAGYGj2BT6KTC0a9QFUbXUtFs3xEvFdyI1TPFqBBYu/DLPHkafehHEGY=: Totally, okay. It's… It's weird, it's less weird.
1:04:12
DO54fZHh0mgwdiu9GgAAGAAAAGYGj2BT6KTC0a9QFUbXUtFs3xEvFdyI1TPFqBBYu/DLPHkafehHEGY=: So, don't worry. It's… I really love to explore in Google Maps, for instance.
1:04:18
Tad Eggleston: Oh, okay!
1:04:20
DO54fZHh0mgwdiu9GgAAGAAAAGYGj2BT6KTC0a9QFUbXUtFs3xEvFdyI1TPFqBBYu/DLPHkafehHEGY=: I'm very, like, addicted to Google Maps. I really love how the maps, how the world from above…
1:04:28
DO54fZHh0mgwdiu9GgAAGAAAAGYGj2BT6KTC0a9QFUbXUtFs3xEvFdyI1TPFqBBYu/DLPHkafehHEGY=: is, shown. That's it.
1:04:32
Tad Eggleston: U… Do you explore with, like, the…
1:04:39
Tad Eggleston: The satellite view on, so you're seeing.
1:04:41
DO54fZHh0mgwdiu9GgAAGAAAAGYGj2BT6KTC0a9QFUbXUtFs3xEvFdyI1TPFqBBYu/DLPHkafehHEGY=: Yeah, yeah.
1:04:42
Tad Eggleston: Okay.
1:04:43
Tad Eggleston: I mean, that was my guess, but I work in special ed, so I work with a lot of autistic kids, and so, at least among some of my kids, exploring in Google Maps is not actually an uncommon thing, though some of them.
1:04:57
DO54fZHh0mgwdiu9GgAAGAAAAGYGj2BT6KTC0a9QFUbXUtFs3xEvFdyI1TPFqBBYu/DLPHkafehHEGY=: I'm actually…
1:04:58
Tad Eggleston: like to…
1:04:58
DO54fZHh0mgwdiu9GgAAGAAAAGYGj2BT6KTC0a9QFUbXUtFs3xEvFdyI1TPFqBBYu/DLPHkafehHEGY=: uncommon. People don't like maps.
1:05:01
Tad Eggleston: Yeah, some of my kids only like to explore the map map map. If you put the satellite view on so that they can actually see buildings and stuff, they don't like it as much. They just want to see the line.
1:05:13
DO54fZHh0mgwdiu9GgAAGAAAAGYGj2BT6KTC0a9QFUbXUtFs3xEvFdyI1TPFqBBYu/DLPHkafehHEGY=: Oh, no.
1:05:13
Tad Eggleston: Yeah, that's why I had to ask the question.
1:05:16
DO54fZHh0mgwdiu9GgAAGAAAAGYGj2BT6KTC0a9QFUbXUtFs3xEvFdyI1TPFqBBYu/DLPHkafehHEGY=: No, it's very important to put the satellite, because now that you have the cities on 3D models.
1:05:23
Tad Eggleston: Do you drop into Street View sometimes?
1:05:26
DO54fZHh0mgwdiu9GgAAGAAAAGYGj2BT6KTC0a9QFUbXUtFs3xEvFdyI1TPFqBBYu/DLPHkafehHEGY=: Sometimes, but I… the part I love the most is,
1:05:31
DO54fZHh0mgwdiu9GgAAGAAAAGYGj2BT6KTC0a9QFUbXUtFs3xEvFdyI1TPFqBBYu/DLPHkafehHEGY=: to see them above. There comes the…
1:05:35
DO54fZHh0mgwdiu9GgAAGAAAAGYGj2BT6KTC0a9QFUbXUtFs3xEvFdyI1TPFqBBYu/DLPHkafehHEGY=: 3D reconstruction of a lot of cities. I mean, I guess, like, 80% of the… of Italy are in 3D, so you can, like.
1:05:48
DO54fZHh0mgwdiu9GgAAGAAAAGYGj2BT6KTC0a9QFUbXUtFs3xEvFdyI1TPFqBBYu/DLPHkafehHEGY=: pretend to… to be like a plane, and see the city, your city, I can see my own city from above.
1:05:54
Tad Eggleston: Right.
1:05:55
DO54fZHh0mgwdiu9GgAAGAAAAGYGj2BT6KTC0a9QFUbXUtFs3xEvFdyI1TPFqBBYu/DLPHkafehHEGY=: A very, like, a 3D way, and I think it's maybe…
1:06:00
DO54fZHh0mgwdiu9GgAAGAAAAGYGj2BT6KTC0a9QFUbXUtFs3xEvFdyI1TPFqBBYu/DLPHkafehHEGY=: One of the best things that can do, like, technology.
1:06:03
Tad Eggleston: Yeah.
1:06:04
DO54fZHh0mgwdiu9GgAAGAAAAGYGj2BT6KTC0a9QFUbXUtFs3xEvFdyI1TPFqBBYu/DLPHkafehHEGY=: To have a beer die.
1:06:07
Tad Eggleston: Oh, yeah.
1:06:07
DO54fZHh0mgwdiu9GgAAGAAAAGYGj2BT6KTC0a9QFUbXUtFs3xEvFdyI1TPFqBBYu/DLPHkafehHEGY=: it's like when I see that, from the, like, the…
1:06:12
DO54fZHh0mgwdiu9GgAAGAAAAGYGj2BT6KTC0a9QFUbXUtFs3xEvFdyI1TPFqBBYu/DLPHkafehHEGY=: I'll just say, the plane window, I don't know what to say in English.
1:06:15
Tad Eggleston: Yeah, yeah, a plain window, yeah.
1:06:17
DO54fZHh0mgwdiu9GgAAGAAAAGYGj2BT6KTC0a9QFUbXUtFs3xEvFdyI1TPFqBBYu/DLPHkafehHEGY=: Okay.
1:06:18
DO54fZHh0mgwdiu9GgAAGAAAAGYGj2BT6KTC0a9QFUbXUtFs3xEvFdyI1TPFqBBYu/DLPHkafehHEGY=: Because in Italy, we have a special name for that.
1:06:20
Tad Eggleston: Okay, no?
1:06:22
DO54fZHh0mgwdiu9GgAAGAAAAGYGj2BT6KTC0a9QFUbXUtFs3xEvFdyI1TPFqBBYu/DLPHkafehHEGY=: but, with the…
1:06:26
Tad Eggleston: Yeah, no.
1:06:27
DO54fZHh0mgwdiu9GgAAGAAAAGYGj2BT6KTC0a9QFUbXUtFs3xEvFdyI1TPFqBBYu/DLPHkafehHEGY=: You can, you can see whatever you want, the angle you, you wish.
1:06:32
Tad Eggleston: Right. I want to spend…
1:06:33
DO54fZHh0mgwdiu9GgAAGAAAAGYGj2BT6KTC0a9QFUbXUtFs3xEvFdyI1TPFqBBYu/DLPHkafehHEGY=: That's.
1:06:35
Tad Eggleston: I once spent an hour with Google Maps just looking at the ocean.
1:06:39
DO54fZHh0mgwdiu9GgAAGAAAAGYGj2BT6KTC0a9QFUbXUtFs3xEvFdyI1TPFqBBYu/DLPHkafehHEGY=: The ocean.
1:06:40
Tad Eggleston: like, trying to avoid land. Like, if I hit land, I try to go away.
1:06:44
DO54fZHh0mgwdiu9GgAAGAAAAGYGj2BT6KTC0a9QFUbXUtFs3xEvFdyI1TPFqBBYu/DLPHkafehHEGY=: favorite, and just…
1:06:45
Tad Eggleston: Look at the different…
1:06:47
DO54fZHh0mgwdiu9GgAAGAAAAGYGj2BT6KTC0a9QFUbXUtFs3xEvFdyI1TPFqBBYu/DLPHkafehHEGY=: Oh, yes. Once I tried to… to reach, london… Okay. With the street view.
1:06:57
Tad Eggleston: Oh, wow.
1:06:58
DO54fZHh0mgwdiu9GgAAGAAAAGYGj2BT6KTC0a9QFUbXUtFs3xEvFdyI1TPFqBBYu/DLPHkafehHEGY=: From Dover. Dover is the city in front of France.
1:07:01
Tad Eggleston: Right, right, right.
1:07:03
DO54fZHh0mgwdiu9GgAAGAAAAGYGj2BT6KTC0a9QFUbXUtFs3xEvFdyI1TPFqBBYu/DLPHkafehHEGY=: Pretend to be in a car and drive toward the…
1:07:09
Tad Eggleston: So, you might, you might appreciate.
1:07:10
DO54fZHh0mgwdiu9GgAAGAAAAGYGj2BT6KTC0a9QFUbXUtFs3xEvFdyI1TPFqBBYu/DLPHkafehHEGY=: It was very… it was very boring, because…
1:07:13
DO54fZHh0mgwdiu9GgAAGAAAAGYGj2BT6KTC0a9QFUbXUtFs3xEvFdyI1TPFqBBYu/DLPHkafehHEGY=: It's not the same, of course, and sometimes the…
1:07:16
DO54fZHh0mgwdiu9GgAAGAAAAGYGj2BT6KTC0a9QFUbXUtFs3xEvFdyI1TPFqBBYu/DLPHkafehHEGY=: the street view doesn't work very well and put you in other road.
1:07:22
Tad Eggleston: Right. So, yeah.
1:07:24
Tad Eggleston: So… I was reading… a comic…
1:07:30
DO54fZHh0mgwdiu9GgAAGAAAAGYGj2BT6KTC0a9QFUbXUtFs3xEvFdyI1TPFqBBYu/DLPHkafehHEGY=: Drawn by Ramon K. Perez.
1:07:33
Tad Eggleston: When I suddenly saw… a street that I had walked down.
1:07:40
Tad Eggleston: regularly all my life, because it was in the town that my grandmother lived in when I was a child, and my mother lives in now, and it's an odd enough angle with, with, like, specific enough landmarks, and I'm like, it has to be… this. And I literally, I pulled up the
1:07:58
Tad Eggleston: the…
1:08:00
Tad Eggleston: I used the Google Street View to get the angle at the precise angle that was in, and I put them side by side in a tweet that I sent out to Rowan K. Perez, and I asked, like.
1:08:11
Tad Eggleston: Am I wrong? Is this… he's like, you're probably right. When I… when I talked to him, it just… it turned out that one of the reasons that he didn't know for certain if I was right is that when he is…
1:08:23
Tad Eggleston: Looking for reference… Photos.
1:08:27
Tad Eggleston: he uses Google, and sometimes even just Google Maps, and goes searching for that weird angle.
1:08:35
Tad Eggleston: So by dumb luck, he had… and it's a diagonal street, in fact, it's a diagonal street named Diagonal street. So, you know, it was a weirder angle than you normally see, because it's an angle… it's a street that comes in, not at a T, but at an angle, and it's coming down a hill, so it's like…
1:08:55
Tad Eggleston: It feels very three-dimensional, the look.
1:08:57
DO54fZHh0mgwdiu9GgAAGAAAAGYGj2BT6KTC0a9QFUbXUtFs3xEvFdyI1TPFqBBYu/DLPHkafehHEGY=: And he just…
1:08:57
Tad Eggleston: fell in love with that, and then when I got to it, I immediately went, I know that stream!
1:09:05
Tad Eggleston: And he… when I was talking to him in Chicago, it was the closest he'd ever been to that street, because at that point, he was 150 miles from it. But he didn't even know until I was talking to him at the con that he was 150 miles from this thing that he'd drawn.
1:09:21
Tad Eggleston: Like, 4 months.
1:09:22
DO54fZHh0mgwdiu9GgAAGAAAAGYGj2BT6KTC0a9QFUbXUtFs3xEvFdyI1TPFqBBYu/DLPHkafehHEGY=: He didn't re… he didn't remember the location.
1:09:25
Tad Eggleston: No.
1:09:26
Tad Eggleston: Oh, and or he came across a photo…
1:09:30
Tad Eggleston: That wasn't tagged with the location. You know, he just… you know, he's like, sometimes I go around with street view, and sometimes I just Google, like, small-town street pictures.
1:09:39
Tad Eggleston: And I look for one that looks good.
1:09:42
DO54fZHh0mgwdiu9GgAAGAAAAGYGj2BT6KTC0a9QFUbXUtFs3xEvFdyI1TPFqBBYu/DLPHkafehHEGY=: Yeah. I do that too, actually. I used to, I…
1:09:48
DO54fZHh0mgwdiu9GgAAGAAAAGYGj2BT6KTC0a9QFUbXUtFs3xEvFdyI1TPFqBBYu/DLPHkafehHEGY=: when I did the Fjordi Milky Way.
1:09:51
DO54fZHh0mgwdiu9GgAAGAAAAGYGj2BT6KTC0a9QFUbXUtFs3xEvFdyI1TPFqBBYu/DLPHkafehHEGY=: I took a lot of screenshots from Google Maps.
1:09:56
Tad Eggleston: Yeah.
1:09:57
DO54fZHh0mgwdiu9GgAAGAAAAGYGj2BT6KTC0a9QFUbXUtFs3xEvFdyI1TPFqBBYu/DLPHkafehHEGY=: but I, like, take, like, I find, I find some houses, some buildings, But then I, like,
1:10:07
DO54fZHh0mgwdiu9GgAAGAAAAGYGj2BT6KTC0a9QFUbXUtFs3xEvFdyI1TPFqBBYu/DLPHkafehHEGY=: changer,
1:10:10
DO54fZHh0mgwdiu9GgAAGAAAAGYGj2BT6KTC0a9QFUbXUtFs3xEvFdyI1TPFqBBYu/DLPHkafehHEGY=: they use the… I use them for reference, but sometimes they are… they might… the drawing might be, like.
1:10:18
DO54fZHh0mgwdiu9GgAAGAAAAGYGj2BT6KTC0a9QFUbXUtFs3xEvFdyI1TPFqBBYu/DLPHkafehHEGY=: Quite, the same of the rest.
1:10:21
Tad Eggleston: Yeah, you want the reference, but you don't actually want the thing, you want… Something slightly different.
1:10:27
DO54fZHh0mgwdiu9GgAAGAAAAGYGj2BT6KTC0a9QFUbXUtFs3xEvFdyI1TPFqBBYu/DLPHkafehHEGY=: I mean, sometimes I just want, like, the… how do you say, the fireplace?
1:10:32
Tad Eggleston: Right.
1:10:33
DO54fZHh0mgwdiu9GgAAGAAAAGYGj2BT6KTC0a9QFUbXUtFs3xEvFdyI1TPFqBBYu/DLPHkafehHEGY=: or the… the doors, or the way… Right.
1:10:36
DO54fZHh0mgwdiu9GgAAGAAAAGYGj2BT6KTC0a9QFUbXUtFs3xEvFdyI1TPFqBBYu/DLPHkafehHEGY=: As you say, the roof, like, it stays, on the… the wall.
1:10:45
DO54fZHh0mgwdiu9GgAAGAAAAGYGj2BT6KTC0a9QFUbXUtFs3xEvFdyI1TPFqBBYu/DLPHkafehHEGY=: Or, or, or, or this one.
1:10:47
Tad Eggleston: make… or, like, you look at a shop and go, I could see this being a great ice cream shop, even though it's a tobacco shop in reality.
1:10:54
DO54fZHh0mgwdiu9GgAAGAAAAGYGj2BT6KTC0a9QFUbXUtFs3xEvFdyI1TPFqBBYu/DLPHkafehHEGY=: Yeah.
1:10:56
Tad Eggleston: Sign, I'll…
1:10:57
DO54fZHh0mgwdiu9GgAAGAAAAGYGj2BT6KTC0a9QFUbXUtFs3xEvFdyI1TPFqBBYu/DLPHkafehHEGY=: Of course, yeah, yeah, yeah.
1:10:59
Tad Eggleston: Yeah.
1:11:01
DO54fZHh0mgwdiu9GgAAGAAAAGYGj2BT6KTC0a9QFUbXUtFs3xEvFdyI1TPFqBBYu/DLPHkafehHEGY=: But it's more likely to understand the… how do you say, the…
1:11:07
DO54fZHh0mgwdiu9GgAAGAAAAGYGj2BT6KTC0a9QFUbXUtFs3xEvFdyI1TPFqBBYu/DLPHkafehHEGY=: Typology, maybe? The typology of the landscape you're seeing.
1:11:13
DO54fZHh0mgwdiu9GgAAGAAAAGYGj2BT6KTC0a9QFUbXUtFs3xEvFdyI1TPFqBBYu/DLPHkafehHEGY=: And, try to make your own landscape
1:11:18
DO54fZHh0mgwdiu9GgAAGAAAAGYGj2BT6KTC0a9QFUbXUtFs3xEvFdyI1TPFqBBYu/DLPHkafehHEGY=: Like that one for your comics.
1:11:22
Tad Eggleston: Well, what's next? Do you have anything in the pipeline? Are you working on something?
1:11:28
DO54fZHh0mgwdiu9GgAAGAAAAGYGj2BT6KTC0a9QFUbXUtFs3xEvFdyI1TPFqBBYu/DLPHkafehHEGY=: I'm working for a new comic book.
1:11:32
DO54fZHh0mgwdiu9GgAAGAAAAGYGj2BT6KTC0a9QFUbXUtFs3xEvFdyI1TPFqBBYu/DLPHkafehHEGY=: And I think in a month, I will finish it.
1:11:36
DO54fZHh0mgwdiu9GgAAGAAAAGYGj2BT6KTC0a9QFUbXUtFs3xEvFdyI1TPFqBBYu/DLPHkafehHEGY=: And, it's always gonna be for Italian publishers.
1:11:42
Tad Eggleston: Right.
1:11:43
DO54fZHh0mgwdiu9GgAAGAAAAGYGj2BT6KTC0a9QFUbXUtFs3xEvFdyI1TPFqBBYu/DLPHkafehHEGY=: And, it's gonna be, like, it's just one single story.
1:11:51
DO54fZHh0mgwdiu9GgAAGAAAAGYGj2BT6KTC0a9QFUbXUtFs3xEvFdyI1TPFqBBYu/DLPHkafehHEGY=: I think it's gonna be a kind of story similar to the other books, the past books.
1:11:58
DO54fZHh0mgwdiu9GgAAGAAAAGYGj2BT6KTC0a9QFUbXUtFs3xEvFdyI1TPFqBBYu/DLPHkafehHEGY=: But maybe the locations are a little different, and it's all about, I might say true crime.
1:12:08
Tad Eggleston: Oh, okay.
1:12:08
DO54fZHh0mgwdiu9GgAAGAAAAGYGj2BT6KTC0a9QFUbXUtFs3xEvFdyI1TPFqBBYu/DLPHkafehHEGY=: Because I took inspiration seeing a lot of true crimes, because we had,
1:12:13
DO54fZHh0mgwdiu9GgAAGAAAAGYGj2BT6KTC0a9QFUbXUtFs3xEvFdyI1TPFqBBYu/DLPHkafehHEGY=: special in Italy, we had a very weird, like, as you say, true crimes.
1:12:21
Tad Eggleston: Right.
1:12:22
DO54fZHh0mgwdiu9GgAAGAAAAGYGj2BT6KTC0a9QFUbXUtFs3xEvFdyI1TPFqBBYu/DLPHkafehHEGY=: The crime stories, very, like, violent crime stories, but very weird, with a lot of, like.
1:12:28
DO54fZHh0mgwdiu9GgAAGAAAAGYGj2BT6KTC0a9QFUbXUtFs3xEvFdyI1TPFqBBYu/DLPHkafehHEGY=: how do you say… a lot of legends, legions, a lot of weird way to tell that, and we… we have, like, sometimes we have, like,
1:12:40
DO54fZHh0mgwdiu9GgAAGAAAAGYGj2BT6KTC0a9QFUbXUtFs3xEvFdyI1TPFqBBYu/DLPHkafehHEGY=: It's part of our pop culture.
1:12:44
Tad Eggleston: Right.
1:12:46
DO54fZHh0mgwdiu9GgAAGAAAAGYGj2BT6KTC0a9QFUbXUtFs3xEvFdyI1TPFqBBYu/DLPHkafehHEGY=: And, yeah.
1:12:47
DO54fZHh0mgwdiu9GgAAGAAAAGYGj2BT6KTC0a9QFUbXUtFs3xEvFdyI1TPFqBBYu/DLPHkafehHEGY=: Well, my wife? Maybe, like, Americans a bit.
1:12:50
Tad Eggleston: Yeah. My wife is a true crime fanatic, so…
1:12:54
DO54fZHh0mgwdiu9GgAAGAAAAGYGj2BT6KTC0a9QFUbXUtFs3xEvFdyI1TPFqBBYu/DLPHkafehHEGY=: Oh, sweet.
1:12:55
Tad Eggleston: So, I know that it will be read in my household, certainly when and if it's translated to English.
1:13:04
Tad Eggleston: It's a good true crime market in the United States, so…
1:13:07
DO54fZHh0mgwdiu9GgAAGAAAAGYGj2BT6KTC0a9QFUbXUtFs3xEvFdyI1TPFqBBYu/DLPHkafehHEGY=: Yeah, yes.
1:13:08
Tad Eggleston: Well, Miguel, it has been a pleasure meeting you. I adore your work. Yeah, me too.
1:13:15
Tad Eggleston: hopefully we'll talk again, and thank you, thank you very much for joining me, and for Miguel Vila, this has been 22 Panels, and we will see you after the next page.