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SHIA Islam vs. RED PILL MOVEMENT! (Ft. Hassan Al-Qadri) · After Maghrib 🌙

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  You know who we have today? Hassan
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  Qadri Purified Truth Life from the booth Al Haqq Al
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  Mubeen Life from the booth Walaadit Imam Hassan, Master
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  of the Youth He comes with the knowledge, a shop with
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  a tooth I'm done, I don't know where else to go
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  Subhanallah Subhanallah, how are you? Jio
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  Sayyid, Jio Yalla, ready to go Time is midnight,
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  literally after Mughal We aim to end one on the dot
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  Zahir Aqq from Al -Aqqal Tala Welcome back to the
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  you're on Spotify or Apple, head over to YouTube
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  Because we have a special guest with us today We're
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  going to be discussing about everything from the
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  red pill movement To a lot of the streaming culture
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  which we see now A lot of YouTube influences, TikTok
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  influences Kick, all of that stuff And really
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  getting into it today We're going to perhaps name some
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  names We're perhaps going to delve into some topics
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  which are More contentious than our typical weeks
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  Before we introduce our returning special guest As
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  always, my wonderful co -host Ali Rathawid Ali
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  Rathawid Welcome back to our podcast How are you
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  feeling about the podcast today? I'm
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  excited Because the guest is special to me I'm sure
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  everyone loves listening to him This topic is one that
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  I'm going to learn from It's one that I think many
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  of us Are thinking about over the last few weeks
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  Especially with the rise of influences and people
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  converting to Islam and big names and big shots.
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  However, you are to me like how
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  Ron is to water. Hi, baby. Yeah,
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  I don't know what to say to that as well. You
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  always kind of put me in a position. I'm
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  like, what do I do? I respond, mashallah. So
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  for those who don't know, we last did a podcast with
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  our dear brother last year where we talked a lot
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  about the online culture of debate and polemics and the
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  search for knowledge and truth. And
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  truth is what we seek. So we have re -invited our
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  dear brother, the purified truth. Hassan
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  Al Qadri, Salamu Alaikum. Wa
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  Alaikum Al Salam. I think we need a round of
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  applause for you. Making it back. I
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  need a hand. So on it. I
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  need a hand to clap his hand as well, please. Much.
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  Thank you, thank you, thank you. How
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  are you doing, bro? We're recording in Shah Ramadhan.
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  Yeah. How's your Ramadhan going?
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  Well, it's actually been alright.
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  I'm like, I was thinking, oh
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  God, this one's going to be, is it going to be
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  alright? K2 is alright. Alhamdulillah.
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  I think the more busy you are, the easier it is
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  really. This year has been easier, by
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  the way. Yeah. I'm not sure if it's,
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  well, definitely, the shorter hours of fasting,
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  those play a role. I just, I haven't felt it. I
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  haven't felt the struggle. Something
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  about it, maybe it's the weather. I'll
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  tell you what, about being busy, yeah. The,
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  like, now I'm really busy. So
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  I'm trying to, you know, it's the month of the
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  Quran, you know. And I'm just trying to keep up
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  with the Quran. And the busy I've get, the
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  harder it's becoming. But that's, you know, like a
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  massive challenge that we face. Either
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  you're too bored or you're too busy. But
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  either way, you have to have the motivation, the
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  attention to learn, to connect with the Quran, to
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  study, like these are things sometimes we take
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  for granted. When we do have free time, we
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  take it for granted as well. And
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  a lot of the time, we may use our free time to waste
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  time. So we start playing games. We
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  maybe have, like, meaningless conversation. And
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  to be honest, a lot of people now are really
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  jumping on the streaming culture, which is obviously
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  what we want to get into today, the red pill
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  movement, looking into topics which are expert
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  topics, dialogue on topics which you need years,
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  sometimes of study or, you know, behind closed doors,
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  discussing. Where do we begin? So
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  before we kind of get into it, I want to set the
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  scene. Imagine I'm someone who's through
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  and through Shia. I've never been to a majlis.
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  We'll begin Agadir Khom. Okay,
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  we begin it. I'll continue. I'll
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  say, I'll be in my shah Allah. And...
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  Oh, or a Shia podcast. Of course, yeah, Ali. So,
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  I mean, look, for someone who doesn't understand the
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  magnanimity of this discussion, the importance
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  of having this conversation, where would you begin?
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  We're talking about the red pill,
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  yeah? Yeah. Let's make it like a red
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  pill group. And the culture? The
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  culture of it, I mean, it's become widespread now.
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  I mean, there's so many
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  different podcasts and things like that. And
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  it's become a really big thing. And
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  it's kind of become like, it's become the forefront
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  of the fight against feminism. So
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  it's become like woman versus men kind of thing.
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  And I think that's a shame
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  that it's like that. I do think, I think, I think
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  this, this movement has come about more as a
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  reaction towards feminism. And
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  I'm not going to say that everything they do or say
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  is wrong. But I do think if we as
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  Muslims abide by the Quran and Sunnah, we, by the
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  way, let me clarify something. Every
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  time, I always get this question. No,
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  we don't give you back Quran and Sunnah. We
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  don't give you back Quran and Sunnah. Yeah,
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  yeah. Don't get worried. You
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  know what it is. I think you said it last
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  time. I think I support it. You
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  mean the first thing teaching? Yes,
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  no, because the thing is people think, because we
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  have this thing where it's like, No, but Rasulullah
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  said Quran and Ahlul Bayt. It's
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  like, guys, yes, walla, this is what he said. We
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  get it. But when we say Quran, the
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  Kitab and Sunnah is found. There's
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  so many Ahadi from the Imams where they talk about
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  Quran and Sunnah. The importance of it. Because
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  at the end of the day, the Ahlul Bayt, the role
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  was to protect the Sunnah. So
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  that was their main goal. The
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  protectors, the guardians of the Sunnah and to teach
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  you the pure Sunnah. Rasulullah
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  is the biggest example. Example.
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  Yeah. So things like that. So
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  I just will explain it. But
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  yeah, like I was saying, I think people that abide by
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  the Book of Allah, the Sunnah, and abide by the
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  teachings of Ahlul Bayt, Al -Yammul -Salam. You
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  take the good and you leave the bad, but we have
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  to know what's the bad. For
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  example, I think within the red pill movement, they
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  talk so much about how bad women are, how bad, you
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  know, or how, excuse me for saying it, like how
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  dumb women are or something like that. And
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  it's just like, okay, it just seems like you've
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  never met a good woman. And
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  I think, Alhamdulillah, within the Muslim community,
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  we've seen what a good woman is and how they
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  reflected the great woman in the past, Eidi Khadija,
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  Sayyida Zaynab, Sayyida Zahra, Alayhum, Alayha
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  Salam, Sayyida Maryam, Asya and so on. And
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  I think, yeah, it's become more of a reaction. And
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  when a movement becomes a reaction, they kind of
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  slowly start to lose their, how do I want to say to
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  you, their real objective. It's
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  the same thing with, for example, the nation of
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  Islam. Yeah, okay. Became
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  a reaction towards, you know, the racism in
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  America. Yeah, he won. And
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  then slowly, slowly just failed because their biggest
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  advocate, which was Amal Khomex, just was like, this
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  is, I went to Meccan, I'm seeing the white, the
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  brown, the black, everyone's going next to each other.
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  You know, do you think that
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  happens when you focus a movement or an ideology on
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  a personality, a fallible personality who is prone to
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  error, prone to issues like that. And
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  that tends to happen quite a lot. And
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  we've seen it with so many examples, both within Islam
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  and outside of Islam as well. It
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  happens quite a lot as well. That's
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  a good point. So, Mojtaba, over to you. We're
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  going to put you on the spot a bit, Hassan. I've
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  got a question, but I'm thinking it might be
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  controversial. Go for it. Let
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  me just tell him what we're doing. Since
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  you last came on. Yeah, but it's not a blind
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  ranking. It's not. It's
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  not. We started doing this thing
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  where we asked our favorite guests, in fact, pretty
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  much every guest, to do where we want to know you
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  outside of the conversation. And
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  for you as well, off the minbar, outside of the
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  discussion circles. So we kind of put you on the
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  spot. We sometimes get people to
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  rank food or like, you know, ask what their
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  favorite superpower is or who their favorite side is.
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  I was going to make a break.
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  Go on, Mojtaba. I've
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  got a funny one. Yeah. If you had to assemble a
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  team of five Shi 'a Avengers, who would you put
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  in that team? That's a solid question. Isn't
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  it? I think first has to be
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  Sheikh al -Mufid, one of our classical scholars. But
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  it could be like today guys, reciters. Yeah,
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  we can get to that. I would say Sheikh al -Mufid.
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  He's up there. I
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  would have to say Sheikh al -Sadooq. I
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  think he's, if not, probably our greatest
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  muhadith. And that's controversial for me
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  to say. So al -Mufid al -Sadooq. I
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  would have to say contemporary. Sayyid
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  al -Aliyya al -Hasan from the organization al -Ba
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  'ahith. S3. Number two. I
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  would have to say someone that's not, I mean he died
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  what? What was it? I
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  think 20, 30, 40 years ago, something like that.
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  Sheikh al -Tustari, or as they
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  pronounce it, shushhtari, I think it is. He
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  has a book called Qamus al -Rajal, amazing scholar,
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  that's four. Oh, that's throughout the whole
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  of issue, right? Yeah. So it can be from the as
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  -haab as well. Even today. Oh,
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  wow. You're going from the Salman. He's
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  going on as? I love Shahmah Salman. I
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  love him. He's the Jihadist. He's
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  amazing. Yeah, he's amazing. I
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  went to Amr with him, I spent a lot of time with
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  him. Wow. I saw debates about life.
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  Beautiful. Yeah, it was funny. It
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  was the funniest thing I've ever. The
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  guy is sitting there, he's like, yeah, you're awful,
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  you should be killed. And he's like, yeah, no
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  problem. And then. That's
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  my neck. He's just throwing rockets, but
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  the guy didn't realize it. I
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  mean, if you're not saying try it, I thought I have
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  to mention some of the as -haab. Oh
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  my God, one more. No, no, give us someone today.
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  Give us someone today. I
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  did, say Ali Abu -Lahasem. Okay,
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  I don't know. You don't know? I
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  don't know. So he tells you the pure
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  truth and he doesn't know it. He
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  will say like, Basim Karbala 'i. No.
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  I think he's like, I'm thinking, I'm thinking, we
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  need something like, you know, I would probably say,
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  I'll probably have to say Zorara bin Aayyan, the
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  companion of Imam Al -Bakr and As -Sadq. I
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  would have mentioned other companions. Why
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  do you pick Zorara? Of all the companions? Because
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  there's a Rwaya attributed to Imam Al -Sadq. He
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  says, if it wasn't for Zorara, and he mentioned a
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  few other companions, he goes, the knowledge of the
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  prophets would have perished to that extent. Wow.
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  And he's our biggest narrator as well in the
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  books of Hadith, or one of the biggest. And
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  I think his story is unbelievable. What
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  he went through was unbelievable. His
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  conversion story, he was a Sunni before, a converted,
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  his whole, well, most of his family converted. And
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  they became, him and his brothers and his sister.
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  Basically, there's a statement by one
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  of the scholars. It says there isn't a land
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  from the land of the Muslims where you don't see
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  a mufti from Ali Aayyan. And
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  for about two generations, they served the Imams.
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  Zorara bin Aayyan is unbelievable.
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  Go on, Mursal. Let's
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  go for the second one. I like this one. I
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  like this game. I'll start with the other one.
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  Okay. If you was going to ask
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  me for food, I was going to say, Ozi. Who
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  can tell you? Okay, cool. So
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  let's get back into this conversation. Say,
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  I know this is when we discussed this behind the
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  scenes initially. I'm still learning. That's
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  what I was going to say. So
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  what are your thoughts on this? For
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  me personally, I don't really watch this content.
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  I know it's out there. I
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  see it sometimes when I scroll, sometimes people
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  send links and things. But for me, I don't know why
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  they say it. I feel those who are jumping
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  on this bandwagon of this red pill movement and doing
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  podcasts and their clips getting shared everywhere. I
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  think they're doing it for likes and fame because do
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  they really mean what they say? Because
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  half the time, as you said, it's just degrading
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  to women. Yeah. Look, so we have to
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  differentiate between. Okay. But do I enjoy the
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  content? I think I love someone who
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  counters something I don't agree with. Yeah,
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  yeah, I mean, look, I don't think any Muslim will
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  agree with feminism, the Western form of feminism.
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  We have to understand something
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  is Islam and this is going to be controversial. Yeah.
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  Islam is absolutely and extremely into developing
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  masculinity. It is also a very feminine
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  religion. What does that mean? It
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  means it's religion is Islam is there to develop
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  masculinity and to develop femininity. So
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  what that means is it wants the man to have all
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  the attributes of manhood. But
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  you see, this is there's a discussion when it comes to
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  morality. It's actually one of the proofs
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  that God exists. But we say if God doesn't
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  exist, there is it becomes morality becomes subjective.
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  So masculinity, even in society
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  is very important and femininity is very important
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  in society. But where is the limits and
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  what are the attributes of masculinity? For
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  example, this red pill movement for them, it's,
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  oh, you know what? I'm a man. Oh,
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  why are you a man? I've slept with 40 women and
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  I'm only 20. In Islam, that doesn't make
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  you a man. What makes you a man and one
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  of the first points of masculinity that truly like
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  it's the gateway to masculinity in Islam is
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  obedience to Allah's pan -o -tahal. That's
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  true manhood. When you're fighting your
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  desires, your anger, your emotions and everything like
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  that, that's true masculinity. So
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  the red pill movement, the way they understand the
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  masculinity, yes, at certain times they're getting it
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  right. But then sometimes it's just
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  like, oh, okay, this is what masculinity is. You
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  said that based upon what it becomes objective. So
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  you need a religion to make it objective. So
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  we say in Islam, a woman has her feminine features,
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  attributes, characteristics and a man has to have his
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  masculine attributes. You know, like, I think this
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  guy is a Muslim. He goes, yeah, my wife was
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  about to give birth. I called the ambulance, she
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  got into the ambulance. I told her, yeah, I'll see
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  you tomorrow. I'll go to sleep. I
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  know this. And I looked at her and I was
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  thinking, wow. Is that what you call manhood?
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  Is that what manhood is? So
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  it's just this whole like, they want to, and by the
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  way, I don't believe in this toxic masculinity
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  thing. I don't think there's anything
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  because there is masculinity and what it is, what Islam
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  tells us it is. And then anything outside of it
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  is not even masculinity anymore. For
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  example, being confident is a masculine thing. Islam
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  wants men to be confident. But
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  then if it starts to take over being humble, that's
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  what becomes what? Arrogance.
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  That's called arrogance, right? So
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  there's limits to everything. And
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  that's the beauty of Islam. Yeah,
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  yeah. One thing that's interesting
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  when we talk about manhood today, the lines are very
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  blurred. You have courses, workshops, all
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  of these summer camps, people are paying $10 ,000
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  for three day courses on how to become real men. Do
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  you know what I'm saying? And
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  they're learning things which may not actually
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  teach you about masculinity. They
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  might even teach you how to become a good man. But
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  being as we've said in a previous discussion, being a
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  good man doesn't make you good at being a man. Do
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  you see what I'm saying? So
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  Western standards of being a good man or even just
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  humanistic interactions. Oh, he's a good guy. Yeah,
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  I married a good guy. I'm a good guy. Why
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  can't I get married? Okay, but are you good at being
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  a guy? Because good masculine features
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  attract the opposite gender. Firstly,
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  they maintain, sustain and grow and develop
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  relationships. Not just with your spouse, not
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  just with wider society, but ultimately with Allah's
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  pan -ata 'ala. Because like you said, it's the
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  reframing from desires. It's the desire to hasten
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  towards good deeds and doing your amal and all of
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  these things. So I want to kind of branch
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  into something you said, which was about having
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  immoral relations with the opposite gender. There's
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  a word which we hear a lot outside a lot of our
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  communities. And that word is dayuth. For
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  those who don't know what it means, what does it
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  mean? Yeah, where does it come from?
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  And also, is it a bad concept?
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  Because in Western society, it may
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  not be seen as that. Okay, so dayuth, first of all,
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  is found within the hadith corpus of the Muslims. It's
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  a word that was used by Rasulullah and his
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  companions. I've also seen it a few times
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  within our hadith corpus as well. And
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  it basically, it's not a literal definition of it,
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  but it basically someone that doesn't have jealousy
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  or protective jealousy, ghira over his woman. And
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  this is one of the things as well. This
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  is the thing about the Rapulmian. Was
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  it applied just to his wife? Woman
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  folk, yeah, like his woman, but mainly obviously your
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  wife because she's under your protection, right? In
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  that sense. But so for example, when you
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  get to the Rapulm movement, a lot of them that follow
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  it's like, yeah, you know, masculine, masculine, I'm
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  strong, I'm this, I make money, he's wearing shades
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  and you're like, Allah, you look at him, you're like,
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  wow, you're amazing. But then his wife, he's dressed
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  like, you know, inappropriately, and he's
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  shown her to the world. And
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  it's just like, sorry, my friend, objectively speaking,
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  that's not what men do. Why
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  do you think Muslims do that? I've
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  never understood. I've never understood. Do
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  you think it's cultural because there's a lot of
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  cultures which is that's the way it comes from a
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  few things. Cultural, sometimes some people just
• 20:10
  do it out of more like trying to be cute or
• 20:13
  they're just doing it out of love. Like,
• 20:14
  you know, here is my wife, like this me and the
• 20:17
  family. I get it. They
• 20:19
  don't mean bad. The point I want to get to is
• 20:20
  I think they're genuine in what they share in terms
• 20:23
  of they're not trying to show their wife to the
• 20:26
  world. I think that's what's the
• 20:28
  opposite is happening. Yeah. Listen, I see no reason
• 20:32
  for a Muslim man to show his wife to the world.
• 20:36
  Now, listen, I'm not saying it's
• 20:38
  haram. Okay. I'm not saying it's haram.
• 20:42
  I think some scholars would
• 20:44
  say Muslim scholars. Yeah. But it depends on how
• 20:47
  you're doing the pictures. But
• 20:48
  I'm just saying from the culture of Islam, why would
• 20:52
  you ever want to sit there? You're
• 20:54
  in front of a mountain and yeah, look, it's nice.
• 20:58
  You've taken a nice picture with
• 20:59
  you and your wife and your kids. Beautiful.
• 21:01
  No problem. Why would you want to upload
• 21:03
  it? Like, why does the world need to
• 21:05
  see your wife? Like, why does that random guy
• 21:09
  that you met a few times you're not really close to?
• 21:12
  Why does he need to see your
• 21:13
  wife? So that's what they use
• 21:15
  basically is the summer that doesn't have a girl
• 21:17
  over his his woman. And by the way, I think this
• 21:22
  is one of the downfalls of our generation is like, you
• 21:26
  know, just quick snap picture, picture, picture.
• 21:29
  No, there's no need for it. I
• 21:32
  remember there's a hadith in the coffee. And
• 21:41
  it's a when I say my hair stand, he says something
• 21:44
  along the lines of an unparalleled phrasing. He
• 21:47
  says, oh, oh, oh, people of Iraq. But
• 21:51
  as if he's talking to the men and you'll see why I'm
• 21:53
  saying that. Oh, people of Iraq, what is it
• 21:56
  with you that your woman walks side by side in the
• 21:59
  markets with the men? And if my memory serves me
• 22:04
  right, this is when obviously he's in Kufa,
• 22:10
  right? Yeah, when he's the capital of
• 22:13
  the Muslim world is in Kufa. And
• 22:16
  he's saying these things because he's seeing it. So
• 22:18
  he so the Imam is saying it to that extent. And
• 22:22
  then we're here just again, I'm not making a hockham.
• 22:25
  Please like understand. No,
• 22:27
  I get it. You know, like if your wife,
• 22:30
  for example, wears proper hijab and everything and
• 22:32
  you take a picture, you know, there's the the fuck
• 22:36
  I have have the all rudeness. Sharia
• 22:37
  perspective. Yeah, different content. I
• 22:39
  don't I would think that the Sharia, I would say as
• 22:42
  well on the and the Maraja that if it leads to, you
• 22:46
  know, something that of Haram, it will be
• 22:50
  problematic. I don't know why anyone would
• 22:52
  do it. So what do we do as men? As
• 22:55
  let's say there's men here watching and they've seen
• 22:57
  you said you don't agree with toxic masculinity. What
• 23:01
  is the positive masculinity? Islamically.
• 23:04
  What is it? Yeah, what's expected of us as
• 23:07
  men? You know, you know, you know
• 23:09
  something. Yeah. Allah Subhanahu Wa Ta 'ala.
• 23:13
  Just as a side note, I'll get
• 23:14
  into what the point you're saying. When
• 23:16
  he talks about he differentiates between the
• 23:19
  car. What? What? Okay,
• 23:23
  sorry. Yeah. You can say right. You
• 23:28
  can say. Yeah. Where's which they were not
• 23:34
  laughing. It's like it's rare. Yeah.
• 23:37
  All right. So he differentiates between
• 23:41
  man. And male in the Quran. Man
• 23:46
  and male. Exactly. The Rijal Qawamuna Al -Nisa.
• 23:50
  They are the maintainers. Men
• 23:51
  are the maintainers. He didn't say males are the
• 23:54
  no men because only real men can be the maintainers
• 23:58
  of women, protectors and providers. And
• 24:00
  in another Quranic verse, he says, he says, I'll get
• 24:04
  the verse now. He basically says, he says,
• 24:08
  women are men. So of the believers are men
• 24:15
  who are true to the covenant in which they made
• 24:18
  with Allah. So he men, they differentiate
• 24:22
  between man and male. So I think Islamic masculinity
• 24:29
  has to be based upon the Quran and the teachings of
• 24:33
  Ahlul -Bait, the Sunnah of Rasulullah. They
• 24:36
  will teach you. Actually, in, this is a funny point
• 24:40
  to make in the early generations of Islam in the
• 24:44
  like second generation, I've seen reports where they
• 24:47
  used to say, they say, feminine men. Don't
• 24:51
  go and learn hadith. Only masculine men go and learn
• 24:54
  hadith. Meaning real men want to study the
• 24:59
  teachings of Rasulullah. Educate,
• 25:01
  inform. Yeah. Yeah. Okay.
• 25:04
  I like that. That whole concept of learning,
• 25:07
  informing, self -learning as well. We
• 25:09
  talked about this before the podcast is a massive
• 25:12
  disease that we have in our communities. Men
• 25:15
  who generally are learning, looking, they may be
• 25:18
  vulnerable from their own circumstances. Men
• 25:21
  who are bullied, men who were neglected, men who
• 25:23
  grew up confused, in informed from vulnerable
• 25:26
  households and now who are on a search for
• 25:30
  enlightenment and they will look anywhere. I'll
• 25:34
  speak to brother Neil before we start the party
• 25:36
  saying that, you know, he grew up and he's very open
• 25:39
  about this before he was a practicing Muslim. And
• 25:42
  as he says before he reverted to Islam, he was
• 25:45
  with like some of the biggest hip hop DJs and
• 25:49
  musicians of the 90s. He said many of them now are
• 25:53
  going all around the world on mountains with monks in
• 25:55
  China. Some of them he said a couple
• 25:58
  of weeks ago, some of the biggest rappers who used to
• 26:00
  be, as we all probably know them from the 90s,
• 26:02
  went to Omr. Two weeks ago. The
• 26:05
  point being is that there is a young Buster Rhymes
• 26:08
  and all of that. Really? Different conversation for
• 26:10
  another day. Yeah, anyway, but a lot of these
• 26:15
  guys are searching for enlightenment and I think
• 26:17
  we all innately have that as men. Now,
• 26:20
  a trap that young men are falling into Gen Z,
• 26:25
  millennial age men is that from a young age we feel
• 26:29
  this a culmination of societal pressures. There's
• 26:33
  the desire to monetarily earn. Yeah.
• 26:36
  The desire to keep your dignity high as a man, you
• 26:40
  know, amongst what societal pressures social media
• 26:42
  expectations are upon us. And
• 26:44
  then looking for men who we feel aesthetically fits
• 26:48
  that appearance, a certain type of clothing, a certain
• 26:51
  body type, a certain type of language, which includes
• 26:53
  swearing and whatnot, speaking in a certain tone
• 26:56
  towards the opposite gender. And
• 26:58
  then I found that in the last year or so, Islam has
• 27:02
  crept into that conversation where it's become
• 27:04
  fashionable to a degree to become a Muslim. So
• 27:08
  you have influencers, you have streamers, you have
• 27:10
  public figures who've made their name off talking
• 27:14
  about male issues who have now adopted Islam. And
• 27:18
  now Islam has become part of that conversation online.
• 27:21
  So you've got men who are
• 27:22
  looking for education and enlightenment and who are
• 27:24
  now turning to Islam for the right or wrong reasons.
• 27:27
  Who is to blame? Firstly,
• 27:30
  is there anyone to blame? But
• 27:31
  secondly, if there is someone to blame, is it
• 27:32
  those who are falling prey to these and listening to
• 27:35
  these kind of guys? Or is it those who are maybe
• 27:38
  adopting Islam sincerely or insincerely and then
• 27:40
  bringing it to the world with whatever level of
• 27:42
  knowledge they have? I know it's a loaded
• 27:45
  question. That's a AK -47. RPG
• 27:50
  incoming. Grenade. So let's break down the
• 27:57
  question. So simplify it for me. Okay,
• 27:59
  I'll simplify it. Firstly, is it wrong that more
• 28:05
  people are coming across Islam through such means?
• 28:08
  Streamers and whatnot. If
• 28:10
  it is wrong, who's to blame? Is
• 28:13
  it the guy who's listening and believing and taking
• 28:16
  this knowledge in and taking it as gospel? Or
• 28:18
  is it the guy who's preaching? It
• 28:22
  depends on the streamer. For
• 28:24
  example, from what I've seen from Andrew Tate, for
• 28:27
  example, who's become Muslim and probably one of the
• 28:29
  most influential men in the world right now, if not
• 28:32
  the most influential. He talks about Islam, he just
• 28:39
  talks about it from his experience and why he
• 28:41
  became a Muslim. But I don't see him trying to
• 28:44
  teach people Islam. And I think that's actually a
• 28:48
  humble thing from this side. I
• 28:50
  respect that. I do respect it. Even
• 28:54
  like, what's his name? That guy, Sneeko. He
• 28:58
  usually brings on his teacher or let's say friend
• 29:02
  or the guy that helped him convert. Othman
• 29:05
  Ibn Farouq, Sheikh Othman Ibn Farouq. He
• 29:09
  brings him on and he'll start talking and he more
• 29:12
  or less listens. I don't think it's wrong for
• 29:17
  someone like Sneeko to be like, I disagree with the
• 29:22
  Holy Trinity because of 1, 2, 3. I
• 29:25
  don't think that's wrong. And
• 29:27
  I haven't really seen him trying to sit there, preach
• 29:30
  Islam like he's a student of knowledge. I
• 29:34
  just think he just uses his platform to kind of
• 29:38
  push people to Islam. Yeah, but a guy like that who's
• 29:41
  coming out and doing Takfir, I know we've
• 29:42
  discussed it before, doing Takfir on Shia. That
• 29:45
  was a few weeks ago and as of today, whenever in
• 29:49
  March we're recording, he recited for the first time
• 29:52
  Qura 'an publicly. He does sort of Talfata and
• 29:56
  whatever, right or wrong and he did it correctly or
• 29:58
  not. Point being is that you come to
• 30:00
  such a conclusion, you've got millions of viewers,
• 30:02
  millions of followers and you're dropping like Takfir.
• 30:06
  Ahmed, I think the big question
• 30:07
  is, especially someone like Sneeko, is he's become
• 30:10
  Muslim through the pressure that he faced for being
• 30:14
  Islamophobic in his streams. No,
• 30:17
  I thought, well, you think he's insincer? So
• 30:20
  people are saying like now he's too deep into it. Is
• 30:23
  he actually sincere because you see random pictures of
• 30:26
  him floating online still with half naked girls and
• 30:29
  stuff. Yeah, like that. Is
• 30:30
  he only still pretending to be Muslim because he
• 30:33
  doesn't want to look Islamophobic? He's
• 30:34
  just across the sincere to a degree. Like
• 30:36
  he does, I don't feel like he's doing it for fame.
• 30:40
  That he's trying hard, do you
• 30:42
  mean? I'll be honest with you, I
• 30:44
  think he's lost out more than he's gained for being
• 30:47
  Muslim, bro. I don't think he's, listen,
• 30:52
  Allah knows what's in people's hearts, but I do
• 30:55
  think, I think he's, from what I'm judging based upon
• 31:00
  the apparent. That's all you can do. You
• 31:01
  see he's lost more by saying la la la la la.
• 31:03
  Yeah, yeah, yeah, and he has. I
• 31:04
  think they've shut down his YouTube channel, shut down
• 31:07
  a few other platforms. Oh, you mean materially? Yeah,
• 31:09
  he's lost more speaking up for Palestine and things
• 31:13
  like that. Oh, I see what you mean. Yeah,
• 31:14
  he's lost worldly things. Yeah,
• 31:15
  I don't think so. I think his numbers were
• 31:18
  probably greater when he was talking about Oni fans
• 31:21
  and stuff like that. Honestly,
• 31:22
  yeah, look, if you think about it, the people that
• 31:27
  are making the most noise are the people that are
• 31:29
  doing the stupid stuff. Yeah,
• 31:32
  he might be doing silly things here and her
• 31:35
  fighting a UFC fighter and whatever, but I don't think
• 31:38
  he's not sincere. I think he's absolutely
• 31:40
  sincere. And I think, I think these,
• 31:42
  these type of people, and I think I fall into that
• 31:47
  category. Like I wasn't living the life
• 31:50
  that I'm living now, right? When
• 31:52
  I was younger and you see so much evil and dirt and
• 31:56
  bad around you that you just think. There's
• 32:02
  got to be goodness somewhere. I've
• 32:04
  seen pure evil. Yeah, yeah. And
• 32:06
  I don't want to see it anymore. And
• 32:07
  when you honestly, there's another good point, by the
• 32:10
  way, the red pill movement, when they talk about these
• 32:14
  bad women or women are bad, this and that, like I
• 32:17
  get to a certain degree, not that woman are bad,
• 32:20
  you know, before I get attacked. But
• 32:22
  it's to say, I mean, look at the woman they're
• 32:25
  bringing on to their podcast. This
• 32:27
  is literally most. Woman in the West. I
• 32:32
  mean, you had the other day with the rest. I
• 32:34
  was watching this podcast. What's
• 32:35
  it called? Fresh and fit. I
• 32:38
  just clicked on it. I don't know. It
• 32:39
  came up. I clicked on it. I
• 32:40
  was like, might as well listen to something. No
• 32:42
  problem. And then he brings on a bunch
• 32:44
  of girls. And he asked her, would you
• 32:47
  do, what's your name? This and most of them are only
• 32:50
  fans and this and that. And
• 32:51
  he goes, like, I think he, I don't know how the
• 32:56
  conversation kind of goes. What's
• 32:57
  your body count? And based for those who don't
• 33:01
  know, I think she says she's like 25 or something
• 33:04
  like that. And it's like 43. What?
• 33:09
  I'm thinking, why is this chocolate? Why
• 33:12
  is it? Bacala or something? What's
• 33:13
  going on? It's a bingo. 43. But
• 33:18
  anyway, but by the way, this isn't, look, there's
• 33:21
  so much to talk about here that, you know, if a
• 33:27
  woman, as well as a man, not like, because you know,
• 33:31
  the thing is, we talk about woman, for example,
• 33:34
  oh, you know, excuse me for saying it, like her
• 33:37
  body count is 30. The man is 30. He's
• 33:41
  a man. It's okay. No,
• 33:42
  it's not okay. I'm sorry. It's
• 33:43
  not okay. That's right. Haram
• 33:45
  is haram. Sin is sin. When,
• 33:48
  when in Islam, if a woman and she's Muslim, for
• 33:51
  example, and her body count is 30, and then she
• 33:55
  repents, she repents from our heart sincerely from
• 34:02
  our heart. Then no one's allowed to judge
• 34:06
  her. I said, you will commit a
• 34:08
  sin if you do. And that's the problem with
• 34:10
  this repulm movement is that it's just like,
• 34:13
  they're just savages. Yes, relentless. Yeah.
• 34:15
  And it's just like, I get why you guys are sick of
• 34:19
  it. I mean, I'll be too. I
• 34:21
  mean, there's no such thing as honor or dignity
• 34:25
  anymore. But this is the problem with
• 34:27
  the West. The West has created this.
• 34:29
  Yeah. They've destroyed what a
• 34:31
  woman is. They've destroyed what a man is.
• 34:33
  The sanctity of a human body,
• 34:34
  human souls, is become corrupted. 100%. It's
• 34:39
  just exacerbated by social media. 100%. I
• 34:42
  don't think it's helping at all. 100%. On
• 34:44
  a more lighthearted note, how would you compare it
• 34:47
  to like Maudi or him coming out on a boxing
• 34:51
  match with Latmeh playing? I
• 34:52
  want to hear your thoughts because obviously you know,
• 34:54
  you know, I did brother Muhammad more personally.
• 34:58
  So, I mean, we'd add the other
• 35:00
  men. Did you watch the video of him
• 35:01
  coming out to boss him? For
• 35:03
  me, I was like, you know, he smashed it. He
• 35:05
  came out to boss him. When I had to boss him. I
• 35:08
  nearly did a gunfinger. I'm not gonna lie. And
• 35:10
  Latmeh was like, I respect that. In
• 35:12
  my media, I'm like, you know what? He
• 35:14
  smashed it. Like from the, from the aspect.
• 35:17
  I don't watch Maudi's content.
• 35:19
  But for example, he started off
• 35:21
  with him and neon recycling. I
• 35:23
  tell Kursi just on a live stream with 200 ,000
• 35:28
  watching Maudi and walla. I think he's genuine, genuine.
• 35:30
  I genuinely believe like he's
• 35:32
  genuine when it comes to his Islamic beliefs, when
• 35:35
  it comes to show no bullet. I'm
• 35:38
  not going to say he does everything for likes and
• 35:41
  for views and all of this. I'm
• 35:43
  sure there is an aspect to it. But
• 35:44
  I don't speak for him. That's
• 35:46
  something he can, he can speak for on his own
• 35:48
  behalf. But I do feel like he needs
• 35:51
  the right guidance into what are you doing online?
• 35:55
  And if you've reached such a
• 35:56
  status where you are so famous, walla is famous,
• 36:00
  bro. Everyone's talking about more
• 36:02
  extremely. It's just gone like this within
• 36:05
  from speaker's corner to. That's
• 36:08
  why I'm saying is like we shouldn't be looking up to
• 36:11
  them. No, that's the point. Can
• 36:13
  I just say something? Yeah, when it comes to brother
• 36:17
  Muhammad, Maudi, I think there's two aspects that we
• 36:21
  need to focus on. One aspect is. He
• 36:27
  put mud on the mat. Yeah, but that's his word. Yeah,
• 36:33
  I don't know. So we've got to look at the
• 36:36
  two aspects. Look, Dean is Dean. Religion
• 36:40
  is religion. Amr al -ma 'roof is one thing.
• 36:43
  Naya 'a al -munkar is one thing
• 36:44
  as well. And we have to be straight and
• 36:47
  honest. So I think from one aspect is
• 36:49
  that we have to be clear that some of the things
• 36:53
  that he does. Again, I'm saying some of the
• 36:55
  things, not everything. Some of the things he does is
• 36:59
  absolutely against the teachings of El -Bait. It
• 37:02
  does not reflect the teachings of El -Bait. And
• 37:08
  we've all got our sins. Sometimes
• 37:11
  what I say and do doesn't reflect the teachings of El
• 37:13
  -Bait. The other aspect is this. I
• 37:18
  would say this. Bahasa, let's say you are sharing.
• 37:21
  And you've got the status and
• 37:22
  you've got this fame and you've got this recognition,
• 37:25
  global recognition. There should be like an added
• 37:27
  responsibility. So I'm going to get to that.
• 37:31
  So that's why I said some
• 37:32
  things. I think, look, it's the same
• 37:37
  thing with Niko. Someone asked Sheikh Uthman Ibn
• 37:40
  Farooq about, you know, like Niko is still doing
• 37:43
  this and this and that. And
• 37:45
  he goes, look, he's a, obviously the difference
• 37:48
  between him and Niko is that Niko is a convert or
• 37:51
  a reverber. But he's like, look, he's
• 37:54
  learning. He lives in that world. It's
• 37:57
  hard to get out of. Yeah, I heard that. Yeah.
• 37:59
  At the end of the day, I know Mauddin personally on
• 38:03
  a personal level. He's one of the most generous,
• 38:05
  loving, pure hearted people that I know. Fun
• 38:11
  to be around, always laughing. But
• 38:15
  we also have to say that, yeah, some of his things
• 38:18
  that he does online is does not represent at all
• 38:20
  bait. And look, should the youth take
• 38:24
  from him? I would say, I would say,
• 38:28
  no, don't take a religion from him. Some
• 38:31
  actions are definitely not in line with it. It
• 38:35
  will be or Islam itself. I think he might even agree
• 38:39
  with that. Because he doesn't, sorry to
• 38:41
  interrupt, but he doesn't come out and say, I'm a
• 38:44
  Muslim streamer or I'm streaming about Islam. He
• 38:47
  doesn't. Yeah, he says I'm a streamer who
• 38:50
  happens to be Muslim and I use the opportunity to
• 38:52
  bring Islam publicly. Like he always says on his
• 38:56
  stream, I pray five times a day. I've
• 38:58
  never missed a prayer. I've never missed that. And
• 38:59
  you see him in streams. He's
• 39:01
  praying. You see him sometimes in the
• 39:02
  Sajjada as well. Many, many, many, many years ago,
• 39:04
  he was at Speaker's Corner given that one. Yeah.
• 39:07
  Yeah. But look, it's part of the
• 39:10
  bigger conversation, isn't it? Look,
• 39:12
  at the end of the day, he can do whatever he wants
• 39:16
  to do. Okay. And he says, we have to
• 39:20
  just make it clear that some of his actions are
• 39:23
  not in line with Ahlul Bayt, Alaykum Al Salam.
• 39:26
  There's also another responsibility
• 39:28
  from our side. I rate him, by the way, for
• 39:30
  not missing Salah since he was four years old. Masha
• 39:32
  'Allah. That's something I think, when he
• 39:34
  was four years old, not proud of. Yeah,
• 39:36
  100%. He's a badge of honor for his
• 39:39
  spiritual responsibility as well. There's
• 39:40
  a responsibility from our side. So
• 39:43
  there's a hadith from Mahmussada, attribute to
• 39:46
  Mahmussada. And it says that basically a
• 39:49
  man, you know, there was a gathering, Imam Sadaq was
• 39:55
  there, and a man comes and he starts to criticize and
• 39:58
  talk against this man that is this, is that, he's
• 40:01
  sinful and whatnot. The Imam replies to him, he
• 40:04
  says, where can you get a perfect brother? Or
• 40:12
  upon you is your brother, like for you to accept him
• 40:16
  completely. So the Rwayah is basically
• 40:19
  saying, Imam Sadaq is saying, it's upon you to
• 40:22
  accept your brother completely. And
• 40:24
  then he continues, he says, and who is free from
• 40:28
  faults and flaws? What am I trying to get to?
• 40:32
  Now the hadith itself, like I
• 40:35
  say, is attribute to Imam Sadaq. But
• 40:37
  there's a lot of different Rwayah that strengthen the
• 40:41
  Ma 'ana of the Rwayah. So the meaning of what the
• 40:44
  Imam is saying. And it's to say that, yeah, we
• 40:47
  can sit here criticizing him day and night. At
• 40:50
  the end of the day, he is our brother. Yeah.
• 40:53
  We accept him with his folks. But
• 40:56
  that doesn't mean we don't speak out against his
• 40:58
  mistakes because he's not doing it behind closed
• 41:01
  doors. He's doing it in front of the,
• 41:03
  you know, thousands of people. So
• 41:06
  we have to, you know, be clear as followers of Ahlul
• 41:09
  Bayt that, yeah, these actions we don't agree
• 41:11
  with, he is our brother. We
• 41:13
  love him and no one is free from faults. That's
• 41:17
  just the truth of it. So that's the way I look at
• 41:21
  it anyway. So it's a perfect way to bow,
• 41:23
  I think. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Look,
• 41:26
  as like we said, it's part of the bigger conversation.
• 41:28
  The streaming culture, the push
• 41:31
  towards Islam. I want to, with permission,
• 41:34
  bring up someone else. Okay.
• 41:36
  Someone who I think is slightly different in
• 41:38
  nature, but in the same way, appeals to youth,
• 41:41
  who's very involved in the circles of Ahlul Sunnah,
• 41:44
  who visits a lot of centres, who goes viral on
• 41:48
  Twitter, on TikTok. Can you have any guess what
• 41:51
  I'm trying to talk about? He's
• 41:53
  got acronym double A. Oh. Double A? Ali
• 41:58
  Dawah. Daki Aiman. Daki
• 42:00
  Aiman. I want to ask you about Daki
• 42:02
  Aiman. Because look, Daki Aiman is an
• 42:04
  interesting one, because I think he's got a very
• 42:08
  unique selling point in the sense that he understands,
• 42:12
  I think, the situation a lot of the Shababah in, a
• 42:15
  lot of the youth are in, the challenges they face.
• 42:18
  He appeals as a character, you
• 42:21
  know. But there's a similarity in the
• 42:24
  sense of Adab, when you're talking about Islam or
• 42:27
  religion, to what degree do you use a tone or a
• 42:31
  language in a masjid, or in a gathering, or on a
• 42:35
  YouTube video and that kind of thing. Now,
• 42:38
  whether it's about him specifically or in general.
• 42:40
  I think he means like the
• 42:41
  Aki Aiman approach. Yeah, the approach. Where
• 42:44
  do you, where does one draw the line when talking
• 42:46
  about religion and Islam? When
• 42:48
  I'm coming out, not me and myself, but when someone is
• 42:51
  in a position where they have thousands of people
• 42:52
  watching them every week. Let's
• 42:53
  say for example, after Maghrib, we have 20 ,000
• 42:56
  plus listeners a week, a month. We've
• 42:59
  happened to love being able to reach 100 ,000 every
• 43:01
  month. But the point being is we try,
• 43:04
  Allah is our witness and we know we are not
• 43:05
  perfect, but we try and censor ourselves where we
• 43:09
  think we might go over the line. We
• 43:11
  try not to overstep the boundaries and whatnot.
• 43:13
  Okay. When do we draw the line
• 43:15
  between being relatable without being learned? Do
• 43:18
  you see what I'm saying? And
• 43:19
  then put yourself public. Mother,
• 43:21
  you know what? This is a perfect question. So
• 43:25
  I might go a bit off topic in a certain sense.
• 43:28
  I think I'll answer about Aki
• 43:32
  Aiman. So I think it's, there's
• 43:36
  absolutely nothing wrong from what I've seen from
• 43:38
  him and what he does. I think it's very relatable
• 43:42
  and very beautiful. What he does, yeah, of course,
• 43:47
  there's a bit of slang, this and that, but that's
• 43:50
  fine. He's not claiming to be a
• 43:52
  scholar. Yeah. He's not claiming to be a
• 43:54
  student of knowledge. That's one thing I like about
• 43:55
  him. And you know what? He's
• 43:57
  not going into mad details about religious stuff. He's
• 44:00
  just saying the fundamentals of religion, for example.
• 44:02
  Pray your prayer. Pray
• 44:03
  your prayer. Be good to your parents. I've
• 44:05
  seen him talk about how someone can disrespect their
• 44:08
  mom, girls, and their parents. Sisters,
• 44:11
  their hijab, how to deal with the other gender. Stay
• 44:15
  off the streets. Yeah, stay off the streets.
• 44:17
  Drugs, this, gang life. I
• 44:19
  don't think there's anything wrong with that. Yeah,
• 44:21
  bread and butter. By the way, you know, to get
• 44:23
  to what I want to get to, because I think it was a
• 44:26
  question that, you know, we can move on to a really
• 44:30
  important discussion, which is, I truly feel, if we,
• 44:39
  okay, how I want to word this correctly, I want, I
• 44:43
  want you to see, I feel as she, we have failed in
• 44:48
  that way and in bringing the community together to
• 44:54
  become one strong community and become a community
• 44:58
  that's involved in that way in, in every sense of the
• 45:03
  world. So let me explain. So
• 45:05
  for example, if you look at brothers from Ahlus
• 45:08
  Sunnah, the brothers from Ahlus Sunnah, you see this,
• 45:13
  they're in different fields. Like
• 45:16
  Ali Dawah doesn't claim to be a student of knowledge.
• 45:18
  I've never seen that. Right.
• 45:20
  Have you? No. But have you seen the way
• 45:22
  he interacts? Yeah. It's, it's actually like,
• 45:25
  you know what, I enjoy stuff. Then
• 45:27
  you have on the other side, Sheikh Uthman ibn
• 45:31
  Farooq. Yeah. Then you have the
• 45:33
  journalist, Dili Hussain. Yeah.
• 45:36
  Then you have Mohammed Hujab, who is a student of
• 45:38
  knowledge. A bit, a bit, a bit wacky
• 45:41
  sometimes, but he does his thing. And
• 45:44
  my whole thing is, is when feminism came about, the
• 45:50
  whole wave of Sunnis attacked it, liberalism
• 45:54
  attacked it. They're at the forefront. LGBTQ.
• 45:57
  When I say this to our brothers and I'm sitting
• 46:00
  down, they're like, yeah, but we're oppressed. Yeah,
• 46:04
  but we, um, what's it called? There's
• 46:07
  not many of us. And, and, and you know what?
• 46:11
  That's one of the things that
• 46:11
  really makes me sick. Wallah.
• 46:14
  You know why? As a shi 'i, you should think
• 46:18
  like this. One of you is worth a thousand
• 46:22
  of them. One sister is worth a thousand
• 46:25
  of their sisters. That's what you need to, you are
• 46:29
  the followers of Ali bin Abi Qalib. You're
• 46:31
  the followers of Sayyid al -Zaynab, Al -Hasan and Al
• 46:34
  -Hussain. Ali bin Al -Hussain, Mohammed
• 46:37
  bin Ali, Ja 'far bin Mohammed, Mousa bin Ja 'far,
• 46:40
  Ali bin Mousa, Mohammed bin Al -The Imams of Ahl al
• 46:43
  -Bayt, Alayhum Al -Salam. You should be so great. You
• 46:47
  should be on top of the world. Allah.
• 46:49
  Like, I'll be honest with you. When
• 46:52
  I walk into a Sunni mosque, and I know they
• 46:54
  know me, I walk in with my head high. We
• 46:58
  need to exchange the way that we're thinking. No,
• 47:01
  but there's not many of us. What
• 47:03
  do you mean there's not many of us? When
• 47:04
  Rasulullah fought, the opponents, the enemies, the
• 47:11
  kufar, there were three times the amount of men
• 47:14
  that the Rasulullah had. They
• 47:17
  had over a thousand, they had about 300. You
• 47:21
  know? So it's not our numbers game.
• 47:23
  We have to be more efficient.
• 47:24
  It's quality, over quality. And
• 47:26
  we don't have that. We don't have, like, I'm not
• 47:29
  going to mention names now, yeah? But
• 47:31
  we had, like, for example, a media outlet, a Shia
• 47:33
  media outlet. Honestly, I was like, when you go
• 47:39
  through, you're like, you know, don't say you're a
• 47:43
  Shia. Just go and be a Sunni or
• 47:44
  something. It's just like we're always
• 47:46
  defeated. The defeated mentality doesn't
• 47:48
  get us anywhere. Enough is enough. I'll
• 47:51
  tell you a story about a man called Ibrahim bin
• 47:54
  Muhammad al -Thakfi. Yeah? Listen to this story. This
• 47:58
  man lived in the third century after Hijrah. And
• 48:03
  he was known to be a historian. But
• 48:06
  he wrote a book called Kitab al -Ma 'rifah. And
• 48:09
  he was in Kufa. In Kitab al -Ma 'rifah, the
• 48:14
  book was basically talking about the virtues of Ahlul
• 48:17
  -Bayt and then the methalib of their enemy. So
• 48:21
  he's talking about all of the bad actions and
• 48:25
  basically the bad things they did. And
• 48:29
  then it was said to him, the people of Qum, will
• 48:32
  send him a la 'ibla, come to us. Because
• 48:35
  the people of Kufa are basically, you know, the
• 48:39
  reduced price she has. Yeah,
• 48:40
  yeah. You know, like, no, don't do
• 48:42
  that. Don't do that. Don't
• 48:46
  do that. And you know, when you go to
• 48:49
  Tesco's, and then there's that part, it's called the
• 48:52
  yellow stickers. And then better of the, the
• 48:54
  Iraqi, Asians, whatever else, fighting to get
• 48:58
  there, the type of shia is in Kufa. So
• 49:01
  the people of Qum al -Lak come to us. He
• 49:04
  goes, tell me where the furthest place from the
• 49:09
  shia is. Furthest, not in distance, in Aqidah.
• 49:13
  Who's the furthest away from the
• 49:14
  shia's? The Nawasub, those that hated
• 49:18
  the shia and Imam Ali, right? Where
• 49:20
  were they? In Asfahan. Wow.
• 49:24
  Down the road. It was not so essential. Yeah.
• 49:25
  So he goes, no, no, I'm not going to come to Qum
• 49:29
  where there's a lot of shia's. I'm
• 49:30
  going to go in the middle of them and start promoting
• 49:32
  to Shia and talking about against the enemies of
• 49:35
  Ahlul Bayt. This is who we are. We're
• 49:39
  built upon the backs of men like that. That's
• 49:46
  how the shia got to us. But
• 49:48
  we're here, no, we need to be in every field. The
• 49:52
  journalist, like I think Dileh Hussain is doing an
• 49:55
  absolutely amazing job. Why is it when Piers Morgan,
• 49:59
  for example, this whole Palestine thing was
• 50:02
  happening and he was bringing on all these
• 50:03
  Muslims to discuss the Ghazra, Israel conflict and
• 50:07
  all of this stuff. Why did he not even think
• 50:12
  about bringing a shia? I'll tell you why I think he's
• 50:14
  done the case. It was approach. It's
• 50:16
  the way we brand ourselves. It's
• 50:18
  the way we speak, all of that stuff. You
• 50:20
  mentioned about the approach of someone like Aki Aiman.
• 50:24
  The guys, he speaks directly.
• 50:27
  Muhammad Hajab speaks directly. And
• 50:29
  they speak Muhammad Hajab spoke articulately when he
• 50:31
  went on Piers Morgan, for example. No,
• 50:33
  the second one. The second one was that. I'm
• 50:34
  not going to say that he did not, that we don't
• 50:37
  have those people. On the contrary, we have those
• 50:40
  people. We have those people. But
• 50:42
  as a community, maybe it's just the people I know.
• 50:45
  But we are guarded, we're soft
• 50:48
  spoken. We are, you know, sometimes we
• 50:51
  don't engage in an environment where it may be
• 50:54
  messy. I have to interrupt you. Go
• 50:56
  on. We are protected by Allah, and
• 50:58
  we're all here. Lovers of Aba Abdullah. Just
• 51:01
  for you. I thought we were all here.
• 51:05
  I thought we were all here.
• 51:06
  He's definitely here. When
• 51:08
  Zaynab, peace be upon him, was in Damascus, she gave
• 51:12
  her a speech. She shook the whole empire. So
• 51:17
  this whole soft spoken. I'm not saying it's the right
• 51:20
  thing. Don't get me wrong. I'm
• 51:21
  saying that is the way a lot of us are by our
• 51:24
  nature. We need to start changing. I'm
• 51:25
  not saying it's the right thing. What
• 51:26
  I'm saying is that the characters that we mentioned
• 51:29
  earlier, the five, six, seven names we mentioned, a
• 51:32
  lot of them have. And why has Muhammad Dean gone
• 51:34
  become so global in his name? It's
• 51:36
  because he's he's direct. He's
• 51:38
  got no filter. And at times it can be
• 51:40
  positive. No, but mode in at times it
• 51:42
  can be positive and times it can be detrimental.
• 51:44
  Listen, my Dean, my personality is
• 51:46
  funny. That's why he was getting all the
• 51:48
  wrongs. What I'm saying is the
• 51:49
  directness, the lack of a filter. Yes.
• 51:52
  You know, look, we're talking about the Palestine
• 51:54
  thing. Don't forget. You
• 51:56
  have to be free. In our senses. So
• 51:58
  bro, we are not going to allow in a jump, a cut
• 52:00
  bar generally a brother like Aki Aiman to come to
• 52:03
  the front and start talking about linking girls. But
• 52:06
  he doesn't. He doesn't do that. He
• 52:07
  does do that. I'm not saying no for a cut.
• 52:09
  What a jump. I
• 52:09
  know. I saw a video. No,
• 52:11
  no, no. I don't think so. On
• 52:13
  the contrary. I think it was just a
• 52:16
  normal. No, no, no. Ahmed
• 52:17
  is on Friday. No, no, no. I'm
• 52:19
  not saying he gave the foot. I
• 52:20
  don't think so. But in a job gathering, I
• 52:21
  think maybe I'm wrong. You have Jumaanites like Shat
• 52:25
  Ahmad Sin Man who is soft spoken. Yes.
• 52:28
  But at the same time he's powerful. Yeah.
• 52:30
  And you probably need more people like that. Yeah,
• 52:33
  yeah, I agree. I agree. I'm
• 52:35
  saying every four, by the way, we are the sneakers
• 52:38
  of this world. It's media training. It's
• 52:40
  PR. We're not well versed. Are
• 52:42
  you telling me? Are you telling me? Sneakle
• 52:43
  is media training or Aki Aiman. No.
• 52:47
  They are students. Where did they train them in
• 52:49
  class injunction? They're students of the game.
• 52:51
  They've read, they've watched,
• 52:53
  they've listened, and maybe they've had support or
• 52:55
  assistance, or they put themselves out there. They
• 52:57
  didn't care whether they get one view or a thousand
• 52:59
  views. Just what I'm saying. I
• 53:02
  feel like we, sorry, bro, I feel like we as a
• 53:04
  podcast or as a brand, we've gone out on a limb
• 53:07
  because we've tried something different whether
• 53:09
  we're right or wrong. Allah knows best. But
• 53:11
  we're trying to produce content on the podcast and
• 53:13
  with Muhammad Ali on Jumaanites. Where
• 53:15
  we're doing stuff, we're challenging the state's
• 53:17
  course of typical shi 'a media. And
• 53:19
  we're trying to do stuff, have conversations people
• 53:21
  don't have. Talk about things people don't
• 53:23
  talk about. We're doing it in a different
• 53:24
  format. You have a prayer with a
• 53:25
  hoodie talking about, a khpar at ayun. Do
• 53:28
  you know what I mean? Ayun at a khpar. By
• 53:30
  Muhammad Ali. These are things that you don't
• 53:32
  do. It's not seen really in our
• 53:34
  circles and trying new things, different recipes,
• 53:38
  different, maybe that's what it is. But
• 53:40
  I like what you said about numbers don't matter. It's
• 53:43
  not an especially we don't have a leg to stand on
• 53:47
  bro. We out here talking about 72
• 53:49
  and 30 ,000. We should never be a quantity
• 53:53
  matters. Always about quality. Always
• 53:56
  about quality. But I'm just very curious to
• 53:59
  know about the reasons why there may be a lack of
• 54:05
  engagement from the youth and whether it's the fault
• 54:07
  of maybe us as maybe brothers who are in the 20
• 54:10
  late 20s early 30s mid 30s who are not doing that.
• 54:13
  Maybe we are but we're not doing
• 54:14
  it right. Should we just what I mean? Like
• 54:17
  where is it? Where is the floor? We
• 54:19
  are so connected being a small community. I'll
• 54:21
  tell you where the floor is. We
• 54:21
  have 60 centres in the UK 70 centres, maybe 100
• 54:24
  centres in the UK. We should be very well
• 54:27
  connected. We should know everyone. We
• 54:29
  should easily be able to create an intricate internal
• 54:32
  network of of magylists and speakers and youth events
• 54:36
  and whatnot where everyone is aligned on the same
• 54:38
  page. We're not doing that. Can
• 54:40
  I say something? Yeah, sorry, sorry. I
• 54:42
  actually half agree with you. But
• 54:45
  I fully agree with Hassan. Oh,
• 54:47
  wow. Oh, that's it. I'm
• 54:50
  your house. I'm finished bro. Take
• 54:52
  over. Take over. No,
• 54:55
  if I'm going to say I'm a follower of Imam Ali Ibn
• 54:58
  Ibn Talib in terms of Shia. And
• 55:00
  if we go back to the Thakalain and we go back
• 55:01
  to Rasul Allah or to me back to the source Allah
• 55:03
  our creator Subhanahu Wa Ta 'ala, we should be proud
• 55:06
  and confident of our beliefs, of our Qida. And
• 55:10
  as you said, you know, we should be we should be
• 55:12
  proud. And I've had poetry like this.
• 55:15
  Shia, I am proud. They
• 55:17
  call us Rawaf and our heads held high proud of
• 55:19
  the slave. There's a reason for this. And
• 55:22
  the reason why I agree with you. I
• 55:24
  don't think it's a problem you face, I face, you
• 55:27
  face, you face. No, I think our leadership
• 55:28
  failed us. Our leaders. And
• 55:31
  why do I say this? Because they told you, huh? Don't
• 55:35
  upset the other side. They told you, huh? You
• 55:39
  have to always be respectful to the other
• 55:40
  side. And even if it's true, I mean,
• 55:43
  when you speak the truth, if it hurts them, but the
• 55:46
  truth hurts. Why are we not going to spread
• 55:49
  the truth? And the Prophet didn't hurt his
• 55:51
  people when he came to them and said to them,
• 55:53
  your eyes are false. Yes, there are ways of speaking
• 55:56
  and there is possibly manners. That's
• 55:59
  where the difference. Of, you know, Tabligh and Da
• 56:01
  'wah, of course. There's no confidence, Sayyidina,
• 56:04
  walla. That's my point. Let
• 56:05
  me give you an example. Yeah.
• 56:06
  Let me give you an example. I
• 56:09
  was sitting down one time and there was 20, 30
• 56:12
  people. We talked about problems in
• 56:15
  the Shia community. I said to them, shall I
• 56:17
  highlight to you the main problem? They
• 56:19
  go, yeah. I go, okay. Watch
• 56:21
  this. So I go, who knows here? I
• 56:24
  was like, everyone, please be quiet. Just
• 56:26
  a few questions. That's okay, please. They
• 56:28
  go, yeah. Who here knows Sahih al
• 56:30
  -Bukhari? Everyone puts their hand up. Cool.
• 56:34
  Great. Very nice. Who
• 56:36
  here knows Al -Kafi? Two, three hands. I
• 56:40
  was like, do you see the problem now? We,
• 56:43
  the Shia, don't even go back to our books of
• 56:48
  hadith to know what our Imam say. We've
• 56:51
  become so unconfident that it's like, but I'm not a
• 56:54
  scholar, Habib. I'm not telling you to derive
• 56:56
  a haqqam. I'm just saying, read. Try
• 56:59
  to understand. Talk to your friend. Message
• 57:02
  a scholar, like I found this. What
• 57:03
  do you think? Try to understand. I'm
• 57:06
  not saying you become a faqih. You
• 57:08
  know, our classical scholars, there's a scholar
• 57:10
  called Najashi in the fifth century. He
• 57:15
  goes, in Baghdad, in a masjid, we used to sit
• 57:19
  there studying Al -Kafi. We need to bring back the
• 57:23
  culture of Al -Kafi. We need to bring back the
• 57:25
  culture of hadith. We need to bring back the
• 57:28
  culture of the Quran and Sunnah. I
• 57:30
  want to read you out something. There's
• 57:34
  a scholar called Shaheed Al -Thani. He
• 57:38
  has a book called Muniya tul -Mureed. Muniya
• 57:42
  tul -Mureed. He says, listen to this, he
• 57:48
  says, in his book, this book is basically the
• 57:52
  etiquette of how to seek knowledge, the etiquette of
• 57:57
  dialogue with other students, the teacher and
• 58:01
  so on. Brilliant book. And
• 58:03
  it's been translated by the way, you can, Iqaz have
• 58:05
  published it. He says, it is the most
• 58:07
  important. He, the student, must begin by
• 58:11
  mastering the memorization of the book of Allah Al
• 58:17
  -Aziz, perfectly. That's one. But
• 58:20
  listen to this, watch this now. For
• 58:21
  it is the foundation of all sciences and its
• 58:25
  foremost. And our Salaf, ease the word
• 58:29
  Salaf, yeah. Don't get scared, it just means
• 58:31
  predecessors, used to only teach hadith or
• 58:35
  jurisprudence to those who memorize the Quran. And
• 58:40
  by the way, I'm talking to myself. It's
• 58:41
  not like I've memorized the Quran, right? But
• 58:44
  this is how far we are. Yeah,
• 58:46
  man. This is how far we are. We
• 58:48
  don't even know Al -Qaaf. How
• 58:50
  do you not know Al -Qaaf? What
• 58:52
  have you been reading? It's not just that. It's
• 58:54
  the four main books in the Shia. We
• 58:55
  can't name, but we talk about Sunnah, Abidah, Wud,
• 58:58
  Haqam, and the Shia Puli. We
• 58:59
  talk about random books of Al -Sunnah and Jama 'a. But
• 59:02
  if you ask, what's the four main books in the
• 59:03
  Shia? They don't know. We
• 59:04
  don't know. And even if they do know, by
• 59:06
  the way, they've memorized it. You're
• 59:07
  like, okay, follow up question. Have
• 59:10
  you read them? I just said Al -Qaafi. Why?
• 59:14
  Why? What are we doing? You
• 59:18
  obviously can't be confident when you don't know your
• 59:22
  own stuff. You're not going to be able to.
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  You know there's a Rwaya and
• 59:26
  it's one of the most beautiful Rwaya. This
• 59:29
  Rwaya, it basically says, it says Imam al -Sadaq
• 59:34
  tells, he says, ya Zorara. I'm
• 59:37
  paraphrasing. He says, ya Zorara. There
• 59:40
  will come a time upon the people where the Imam will
• 59:44
  be hidden. He will go into occultation.
• 59:47
  And he goes, and what should
• 59:48
  we do? He says, to be upon what you
• 59:51
  are upon. If you're not going back to
• 59:53
  the books of Hadith, how are you going to know what
• 59:56
  they was upon? We're already bad with the Quran,
• 1:00:02
  but now we're bad with Hadith too, which is even
• 1:00:04
  worse. Why are we in this state? I
• 1:00:10
  honestly think, I think the cultural, multi -faceted, it
• 1:00:15
  must be multi -faceted. There's
• 1:00:17
  a few things, but I think the culture of the mimbar
• 1:00:22
  has really taken over. We've
• 1:00:24
  become very reliant on Marajah, Taqleed. I'm
• 1:00:30
  not saying I'm against Taqleed or any shape or
• 1:00:32
  form. No, of course we should do
• 1:00:34
  Taqleed, but I'm saying like, we've just done
• 1:00:36
  Taqleed in everything. I said Taqleed in everything.
• 1:00:40
  Even a solid D. Yes,
• 1:00:42
  and the mimbar has come in for many of us. These
• 1:00:46
  sources of knowledge, rather than maybe a source of
• 1:00:50
  reminders or a starting point for foundational
• 1:00:53
  knowledge to then go and look into. A
• 1:00:55
  lot of us will remember lectures and series and
• 1:00:59
  say, I love that speaker, I love that Sheikh. Do
• 1:01:01
  you know what I mean? And then that will be like all
• 1:01:03
  my Islamic studies for the day done. Do
• 1:01:05
  you get me? It's multi -faceted, like it
• 1:01:07
  comes down to curriculum within our madrasahs. It
• 1:01:09
  comes down to like you said the Marajah and the
• 1:01:11
  way we learn about our scholars and the sciences
• 1:01:14
  of, you know, it could be anything, el -Marajah, it
• 1:01:16
  could be anything. On a basic level, foundational
• 1:01:19
  knowledge should be something we should all
• 1:01:21
  seek. Foundation. Foundational knowledge should
• 1:01:26
  be something we all seek. What
• 1:01:27
  did you say? You said it's fun. But
• 1:01:29
  you get me? Like whatever is romantic,
• 1:01:34
  basically, we'll learn about, you know, I had, I
• 1:01:41
  saw a real, maybe a few weeks ago, the Sheikh said,
• 1:01:45
  he goes, we will learn, and not that it's wrong.
• 1:01:48
  Don't get me wrong. We'll
• 1:01:50
  learn every detail about every part of the different
• 1:01:54
  Maqat in literature where Imam was struck, how many
• 1:01:57
  strikes he had on his body on the Yom Al -Arshurah,
• 1:01:59
  this, that, this, that, this, that. Every
• 1:02:01
  detail. But basic information about any
• 1:02:05
  of the other Aayn ma alayhum was -salam, we won't
• 1:02:07
  know. Or we won't know of the verse
• 1:02:08
  of the Quran. And I speak to myself as a
• 1:02:10
  foremost. And of course, it's hard for a
• 1:02:12
  lot of us, you know. But at the same time, like
• 1:02:14
  we're grown men, like we study, you know, degrees
• 1:02:17
  and we have jobs and we have experts and we have
• 1:02:20
  expertise in industries. We can apply like our brains
• 1:02:23
  to a different topic. But when it comes to this,
• 1:02:25
  it's like there's an apathy which exists. I
• 1:02:27
  don't know what it is. You know, it's crazy. You
• 1:02:29
  saying that most of the Ashab of the emma were
• 1:02:33
  businessmen that were traveling around the Muslim
• 1:02:35
  world. Like, for example, there's a
• 1:02:38
  companion called Hariz, Sajid Stani. Right.
• 1:02:41
  He was from Kufa, but he used to go to Sajid Stani.
• 1:02:45
  And he was an oil seller.
• 1:02:47
  Which is where, sorry. Sajid
• 1:02:48
  Stani is basically Sistan, where it says Sistan he's
• 1:02:50
  from. Iran. Yeah, Iran. Okay.
• 1:02:53
  And he was so oil -gi, things like that. He
• 1:02:57
  was an oil seller. And it was a faqih. All
• 1:03:02
  of the Ashab used to basically go back to his
• 1:03:04
  book on Salah. Most of our Ahadif on the Ahkam
• 1:03:07
  of Salah go back to his book. You
• 1:03:09
  know that, yeah? Sassah -o -gi in Sistan. Yeah.
• 1:03:11
  And listen, he was a big businessman. Yeah.
• 1:03:14
  Huge businessman. This is what I'm saying to you.
• 1:03:17
  There is, by the way, every
• 1:03:19
  single shi 'a -shubi, a faqih. Faqih
• 1:03:23
  not in the technical term of what is used today.
• 1:03:28
  Faqih, as in he understands the
• 1:03:30
  Ahkam, the shari 'a, the Quran, the sunnah, the
• 1:03:33
  Ahadif. He understands these things.
• 1:03:35
  But we're not even there. Yeah.
• 1:03:38
  I think like we do, we need to start, you know,
• 1:03:43
  for example, they do courses. Like
• 1:03:45
  if you look at our brothers and sisters from
• 1:03:48
  Ahla Sunnah, like I remember, I mean, when I
• 1:03:51
  was a kid, I would go to the masjid. They
• 1:03:53
  would have like how to discuss with a Christian.
• 1:03:57
  Yeah. A five -day course. How
• 1:04:00
  to discuss with shi 'as. Oh.
• 1:04:02
  Yeah, yeah. That one was solid. It
• 1:04:04
  had a long one. I was a new name. Yeah.
• 1:04:06
  Things like that. Interesting.
• 1:04:09
  Asura Sunni kid once walking around Crickord with
• 1:04:12
  a book that says how to destroy the shi 'a. How
• 1:04:14
  to destroy the shi 'a. You know, if I saw him, I
• 1:04:19
  just spotted him and then he would have got happy.
• 1:04:21
  I'd be like, yeah, I'm shi 'a.
• 1:04:22
  Thank you very much. That's
• 1:04:24
  for your training at the practice. Yeah,
• 1:04:25
  let's do it. But yeah, I think we really
• 1:04:31
  need to start moving away from that. Do
• 1:04:32
  you think the majority of Al -Sunni Wa Jama 'a
• 1:04:34
  actually read and study religion? No,
• 1:04:39
  I don't. I actually think for my...
• 1:04:43
  Because it's not fair. We're
• 1:04:44
  just talking about the shi 'a here. Yeah,
• 1:04:46
  yeah, no, no. So I'm... I
• 1:04:48
  won't say you'll talk about them, but generically, we're
• 1:04:50
  talking about Muslims here today. I'll
• 1:04:51
  tell you what. So I don't think so. But
• 1:04:54
  I think... You see, I base it upon
• 1:04:58
  success rate. Okay. So I'll tell you, for
• 1:05:02
  example, if you start a business now and then six
• 1:05:05
  years down the line, you're going to look at your
• 1:05:08
  success rate. How was it developing every
• 1:05:10
  year? When we look at our community
• 1:05:13
  and we look at their community, again, I do not
• 1:05:17
  want to see anyone say to me, they have more people,
• 1:05:21
  we are oppressed, stop playing the victim, stop
• 1:05:24
  it. Just be a man and let's do
• 1:05:26
  this. When you look at their success
• 1:05:29
  rate, the amount of converts they have, if you
• 1:05:33
  look at the events they're holding, and listen, look,
• 1:05:38
  we as a community, or let's just say we had shi
• 1:05:43
  'a voice. How massive was that? So
• 1:05:45
  we have the capabilities. Let's
• 1:05:48
  be honest. So we can do things. If
• 1:05:51
  you look at their events, if you look at the amount
• 1:05:54
  of students of knowledge they're producing, if you
• 1:05:57
  look at the books that are being written, the books
• 1:06:01
  that are being translated, I mean, Al -Kaafi, Al -Kaafi
• 1:06:06
  what got translated, I think it was like over 20
• 1:06:10
  years ago, but no one really knew about it. How
• 1:06:14
  many people knew about the translation of Bukhari? So
• 1:06:17
  all of these factors play a role. So
• 1:06:20
  what I'm trying to say is, yeah, maybe most of them
• 1:06:24
  don't read, but is the Masajid packed? Yeah?
• 1:06:30
  Is there, when there's, what's it called, lectures
• 1:06:34
  on, is it packed? Hey, when do you see the
• 1:06:36
  Masajid packed? Maharram. Maharram. Do
• 1:06:39
  you see it packed in Ramadan? It's
• 1:06:41
  the biggest now. For Quran, is it packed? No,
• 1:06:44
  it's growing in numbers. That's
• 1:06:46
  good. Okay, but is it packed? It's
• 1:06:50
  not. It's not. It's
• 1:06:51
  not. It's not with the marketing that
• 1:06:52
  they're doing. Yeah, it's not. They're
• 1:06:54
  giving away, not just PlayStations, but they're
• 1:06:57
  giving PlayStations 10. How the pound have you
• 1:06:58
  attended? It's not even PlayStation 5,
• 1:06:59
  it's PlayStation 10. They're doing something. And
• 1:07:02
  people, what's it called, they're not getting the
• 1:07:05
  numbers they should be getting. And
• 1:07:06
  there's not to say that they are failing. We
• 1:07:08
  are failing. My whole thing is, is, our
• 1:07:13
  driver, like he was saying, let's talk about them. No,
• 1:07:16
  I want to talk about us because I want to progress.
• 1:07:18
  I want the community to
• 1:07:19
  progress. We need to start moving
• 1:07:21
  forward. Beautiful. Ahsant. Ahsant.
• 1:07:25
  There's so much things I have to question about in
• 1:07:27
  my life today. Maybe like coming back, kind of
• 1:07:32
  going cyclical and coming back to the beginning of
• 1:07:34
  the discussion. There are distractions everywhere.
• 1:07:38
  There are things that we can get
• 1:07:39
  pulled into. Sometimes we live in a fallacy and
• 1:07:42
  we think true knowledge and enlightenment lies with
• 1:07:45
  understanding sociology and how the human brain works
• 1:07:48
  and how gender works and stuff. Well,
• 1:07:50
  we've got gems and we've got treasures at our
• 1:07:52
  disposal. We've got people of knowledge
• 1:07:54
  within minutes away from us. We
• 1:07:57
  have books of Ahadid, like you mentioned, the Holy Qur
• 1:08:00
  'an on our shelves that we don't touch and it gathers
• 1:08:02
  dust. Do we take that as true
• 1:08:05
  knowledge you mentioned about the Rijal? And
• 1:08:07
  what was the other word you use? Dhaqara
• 1:08:09
  wa? Dhaqara wa Rajal. And
• 1:08:12
  you know, like talking about men and masculinity,
• 1:08:15
  males versus men, like we've got the Holy Qur 'an
• 1:08:20
  at our fingertips. We're completely wasting the
• 1:08:24
  opportunity. Do you know what I think it
• 1:08:24
  is, Ahmed? This has just come to my mind
• 1:08:28
  now. I think our problem is a
• 1:08:31
  shia. When we want to learn something,
• 1:08:35
  I'm not speaking about scholars and those students
• 1:08:38
  of Ha 'uzah and things like, let's say myself and
• 1:08:41
  people like me. If we're going to learn
• 1:08:44
  something or research something or trying to
• 1:08:46
  explore something new, something different, we're
• 1:08:49
  doing it not because we want to, I don't think
• 1:08:52
  we're doing it generally to get closer to Allah,
• 1:08:55
  Subhanahu wa Ta 'ala. I don't think we're doing it
• 1:08:57
  because we want to increase our knowledge and build our
• 1:08:59
  understanding of our faith and our faith and
• 1:09:01
  everything. Because no, it's because we want
• 1:09:02
  to prove a point. To say that I understand this
• 1:09:05
  point and I can destroy you at this point. We
• 1:09:08
  become reactionaries to Sunnis. Just
• 1:09:10
  like the Repil move into Venice. I'll
• 1:09:12
  only go to learn something to counter you, to prove
• 1:09:15
  my point that I'm right over you. We
• 1:09:17
  fall prey to this, especially me, like if you
• 1:09:19
  ask me to talk about, like, oh, why does Shia's
• 1:09:22
  prey on the Tauraba? Yeah, in my head, I'm like,
• 1:09:24
  yeah, this, this, this, this. Do
• 1:09:26
  you know what I mean? But if you ask me something
• 1:09:27
  which will only apply to us or something that all
• 1:09:29
  Muslims do, obviously. Why do I even want to answer
• 1:09:31
  that question? We come to defend Shia rather
• 1:09:35
  than say this is Ghazalor. Yeah,
• 1:09:37
  yeah, yeah. So I'll tell you how, let me
• 1:09:38
  give you a story, a quick, small story. It's
• 1:09:41
  a funny one. So I realized throughout the
• 1:09:44
  years, you know, we're talking to, like, let's
• 1:09:47
  say, like a Sunni person. Yeah.
• 1:09:50
  And then the Sunni guy, you know, you're talking,
• 1:09:53
  it's happy, like, yeah, Masha 'Allah. This
• 1:09:55
  is, where are you from, brother? Yeah,
• 1:09:57
  my father grew up in Iraq. My
• 1:10:00
  mom's from South Lebanon. Shia.
• 1:10:02
  Yeah. Really? You're Shia, bro. Yeah.
• 1:10:06
  Do you know what I did? Probably
• 1:10:08
  Shia, isn't it? Yeah, do you know what I did? I
• 1:10:10
  reversed the psychology. So what I do now is, I'll be
• 1:10:14
  talking. Where are you from, brother?
• 1:10:17
  Sudan. Masha 'Allah. Sunni.
• 1:10:20
  Yeah. Really? The Sunni. Yeah.
• 1:10:25
  Why are you Sunni, brother? What?
• 1:10:28
  That's Sunni. And they're saying that no
• 1:10:30
  one's ever said that to them, because usually
• 1:10:32
  they're the ones that have their foot on top of our
• 1:10:34
  heads. So when I said that, they
• 1:10:36
  were like, what? They're confused. I
• 1:10:41
  reversed the whole thing to them. So
• 1:10:44
  my whole thing is. Reverse psychology. Yeah.
• 1:10:46
  It's just we, and that's how we need to be, by the
• 1:10:49
  way. Reverse psychology. No,
• 1:10:53
  but it's for us to be like, I am a Shia. I
• 1:10:57
  am the powerhouse. It's pride. It's
• 1:10:58
  pride. It's good pride. I
• 1:11:01
  am on Haq. Yeah. I am on Haq. I'm
• 1:11:03
  happy, have confidence, but to have confidence, don't
• 1:11:06
  have any confidence. Confidence
• 1:11:09
  based upon Al -Quran, and Sunnah, and evidences and
• 1:11:13
  proofs. That's what we need to be like.
• 1:11:15
  But we've just, shah -x, he
• 1:11:20
  said Imam Ali said this. Okay.
• 1:11:24
  Can you prove that Imam Ali said this? This
• 1:11:27
  is the difference. We have to start going back
• 1:11:29
  to our books. We need to have the culture,
• 1:11:32
  the culture of Al -Kafi, the culture of reading
• 1:11:35
  Ahadith, the culture of reading the chains, of the
• 1:11:39
  chain of narrators. We need to have the culture
• 1:11:42
  of sitting down with scholars and discuss some
• 1:11:44
  real issues. You know, like I sit down.
• 1:11:48
  Well, the other day I was in a
• 1:11:49
  Q &A, and there was a few other mashayikh. The
• 1:11:54
  questions. Why do we, there was one
• 1:11:58
  question. Like they were like, yeah, I
• 1:12:01
  can pray with a Christian. What?
• 1:12:04
  I can pray with a Christian. No,
• 1:12:06
  you can't. What tab? Can
• 1:12:08
  I pray with a Christian? Why
• 1:12:09
  do you want to pray with a Christian? He
• 1:12:11
  said Allah has a son. So why are you going to pray
• 1:12:13
  with him? The questions are just crazy.
• 1:12:18
  What did the sheikh say? He's
• 1:12:22
  like, no, brother, no. Okay.
• 1:12:25
  He felt sorry for him for even that question. Hasn't
• 1:12:30
  someone from the audience asked that? Yeah,
• 1:12:31
  but it's just like. Yeah, priorities are not in the
• 1:12:34
  work. We asked the wrong questions
• 1:12:36
  by the way. Yeah, yeah. Well,
• 1:12:37
  even like, let's just go back to sneak a little
• 1:12:39
  bit. I've seen so much questions. You
• 1:12:41
  asked about Shia. Like, cannot tell if he prayed
• 1:12:43
  behind the Shia. I don't know if you guys
• 1:12:46
  have seen this. Like all his videos is kind of
• 1:12:49
  why Shia like that. Why do the Shias like that?
• 1:12:51
  Why do they ask that? Bro,
• 1:12:52
  do you know what's my blame? I
• 1:12:54
  know what we're going to wrap up. No,
• 1:12:55
  I've only seen him do it a few times. Oh,
• 1:12:57
  many times, many times. I know we're going to wrap
• 1:12:59
  up. You've seen him do it many times.
• 1:13:00
  Maybe it's my algorithm. It
• 1:13:02
  is your algorithm. But you know, it's just
• 1:13:03
  annoying that like, like, like you said, maybe to
• 1:13:07
  the, to others we're seen as a minor. Well,
• 1:13:09
  we are a minority and that's a fact. I'm
• 1:13:12
  not saying it's a pity fact. I'm
• 1:13:14
  saying, but if you are a school which is 90, 95%,
• 1:13:17
  whatever it is, 80 to 85 to 95 % of the Muslim
• 1:13:20
  world, why is one of the first things that converts
• 1:13:23
  or reverts learn is about a minority sect, which if
• 1:13:27
  you're so convinced are gulat and you know, all
• 1:13:30
  the doing the wrong things. Why
• 1:13:32
  is that one of the first things you learn about? Do
• 1:13:34
  you get me? Maybe it's because there's a
• 1:13:35
  threat. Maybe it's because you're worried
• 1:13:37
  that they'll fall prey to will I or whatever it is.
• 1:13:40
  But it that in itself annoys
• 1:13:43
  me. I know we talked about it
• 1:13:44
  before the pod. And I told you, like, it's
• 1:13:46
  just annoying how you have people who are public
• 1:13:48
  figures who cannot leave Salat al -Jamal, but will
• 1:13:52
  publicly to millions of people say she are kafar.
• 1:13:55
  Who are you, man? Like,
• 1:13:56
  or for example, Twitter, you have a guy who will
• 1:13:59
  put something with price. And
• 1:14:01
  they'll talk about what I mean. I'm
• 1:14:02
  a mean or something. Today I saw a brother. He
• 1:14:05
  tweeted saying we have one thing which we are proud
• 1:14:08
  of is what I've made a woman in beautiful tweet.
• 1:14:10
  Like it was a nice tweet. He
• 1:14:11
  put in in first hand. I was like enjoying it.
• 1:14:13
  People were applying to him like,
• 1:14:15
  bro, no, you're a kafar. Well,
• 1:14:16
  I really don't understand like the logic. Why?
• 1:14:20
  Why do you put yourself in a position when you're more
• 1:14:22
  kind of you are going to be asked like, why did you
• 1:14:24
  say that? Because you have to back it up
• 1:14:27
  and it just annoys me, man. Like
• 1:14:29
  it's the culture. So there's a few things when
• 1:14:33
  it comes to brother Sneeko. Yeah,
• 1:14:35
  I'll say this. Would you invite him to Tashayi
• 1:14:42
  'a? So I would say this. I'll
• 1:14:44
  say if brother Sneeko, I would say we call you
• 1:14:50
  towards Tashayi 'a, Tashia 'a of the Holy household. The
• 1:15:00
  Tawheed that tells you that Allah has no phone. Allah
• 1:15:04
  has not made of body parts. Allah
• 1:15:06
  Subhanahu wa Ta 'ala is not everywhere in location but
• 1:15:12
  everywhere with his knowledge. His
• 1:15:13
  knowledge encompasses everything. We
• 1:15:17
  call you towards Tashayi 'a to believe in the willyya,
• 1:15:20
  the Master ship of Ali ibn Abi Talib, the man and the
• 1:15:23
  only Sahabi and the only Sahabi. In
• 1:15:27
  Shia and Sunni literature to ever say that he has
• 1:15:32
  complete knowledge of the Quran and Sunnah. How
• 1:15:37
  is it that a man that's claiming to have full
• 1:15:40
  knowledge of the Quran and Sunnah that no Sahabi has
• 1:15:45
  ever said or said regarding the Quran and Sunnah. He's
• 1:15:48
  saying, I have full knowledge. How
• 1:15:50
  is it that he didn't become the Khalif of
• 1:15:52
  Rasulullah? So we are calling towards
• 1:15:55
  Tashayi 'a, the Tashayi 'a, the Shia 'aism that purifies
• 1:16:00
  Rasulullah. Doesn't say Rasulullah was
• 1:16:03
  bewitched. Doesn't say Rasulullah doubted
• 1:16:05
  himself or none of these things. No,
• 1:16:10
  this is the Tashayi 'a that we are calling you to, is
• 1:16:13
  the Tashayi 'a that tells you that you must follow a
• 1:16:16
  divine guide after Rasulullah. So
• 1:16:19
  brother Sneeko, I understand that you have been taught
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  that we are kufar. I understand that you have
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  been taught that we are some weird cults that do
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  weird things. And I don't disagree that some
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  things you may see online that Shia's do may look
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  weird. But I ask you to look into
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  Shia'sm, to look into the biography of Ali ibn Abi
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  Talib and to understand who this great man is. A
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  man that was the gateway to Rasulullah. The
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  man that truly understood the Quran and Sunnah after
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  Rasulullah. Naam sallallahu ala Muhammad wa
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  rahmatullah. Anyone who is maybe shaking or
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  hesitant on the path of finding Haqq, and you know
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  there's that thing, if you're sincere in your
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  search for knowledge and truth, you'll find it. I
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  don't blame him by the way for doing Takfir on the
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  Shia. Let me explain myself. You
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  know what, he entered Islam through that way and
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  they're telling him these guys worship other than
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  Allah. All of these things, if they
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  tell him they worship other than Allah, what do you
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  expect them to do? It's innocent ignorance as well.
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  It's a blissful ignorance. He's
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  not being exposed to other. I
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  do think he's sincere and I pray that he, you know,
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  by the way, even if he doesn't want to become
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  Shia, I'm more than happy to sit down, have a meal,
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  talk and discuss. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I
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  should thank you so much bro, thanks for coming out
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  and thanks for lying. I think we've filled up a
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  whole 360. What a conversation.
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  Alhamdulillah. Next time maybe we'll do
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  the green pill. Yeah, next podcast we'll sneak
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  up. Yeah, I like that. I
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  said to him, thank you so much. Say
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  it, how do you find it? By
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  the way, to tell you the truth, I was so tired
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  before this conversation. So was I, I'm fully awake
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  right now. By the way, when you see me
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  started a lot, it's usual, I'm tired. You
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  did amazing. You did amazing and you've made
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  me question myself on a number of things. Thank
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  you. I just want to end the
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  podcast. My brothers and sisters, I
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  love you all. From Ba 'umum Mahaa. Your
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  struggles, my struggle. Your hardships and my hardships,
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  inshallah. Let's put our heads together.
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  Let's go back to the hadith of
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  Ahlul Bayt, alaykum as -salam. Let's
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  go back to the Quran. Let's
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  try to learn the words of Ahlul Bayt. The
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  only thing that is physical, the closest thing
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  to something being physical from Ahlul Bayt are the
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  words. They're words that have been
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  transmitted to us through these books of hadith. So
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  let's go back to the books of hadith. Let's
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  start doing circles where we sit down, we just go
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  through a hadith and talk and try to learn these
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  different hadith sciences. May
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  Allah elevate all of our statuses and ranks and
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  guidance, inshallah. I hope you guys enjoyed that
• 1:19:31
  podcast as much as we did. I
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  feel like we've had a full journey and if you are
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  here and you still made it, you made it to the
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  end. What shall I change, come up
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  please, bro? And I want 30 minutes in. And
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  I want 30 minutes in. If you've made it this far,
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  guys, thank you so much. I hope you've enjoyed as much
• 1:19:47
  as we have. We've learned a lot. Hassan,
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  it's so great to have you on again, bro. Thank
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  you so much. And inshallah we'll have you
• 1:19:52
  back again for a third time. Hopefully,
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  you'll be our first guest who's come on three times,
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  inshallah. InshaAllah. We'll make it happen soon,
• 1:19:58
  in the future. Remember As -yudhaa. InshaAllah.
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  Likewise. Take care, everyone. We'll
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  see you next week. And yeah, take care. As
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  Wa alaikum as -salam wa
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