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Week 12 Buy Low & Sell High Trade Targets | Fantasy Hockey Podcast · Banger Management - Fantasy Hockey Podcast

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  Barbara Bound, Bow Bangor Management Fantasy Hockey
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  Podcast. Whoa, whoa.
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  Japan. Whoo, whoa, I heard a little
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  something there. Because I was gonna say Japanese
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  and then I just wanted Japan and it sounded weird.
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  Fair. Enough, but welcome into Bangor
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  Management, the fantasy hockey podcast with Kevin and Josh once
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  again while Jakey is still in Japan pursuing his karaoke
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  career that I listen. I just heard it's going really
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  well. So we might never get him back.
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  I wonder if Jake is actually listening to these episodes and
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  like has no idea what's going on.
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  But if you're listening to this, ping ping Jake in the discord or
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  leave some comments on our Instagram or wherever and be
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  like proud of you Jakey for pursuing your dreams.
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  And I hope they karaoke career works out.
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  He'll be so confused. It'll actually be hilarious.
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  That would be amazing. But welcome into our week 12 buy
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  low sell high trade target episode.
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  This is my favorite episode to record.
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  We say it every week. Listen, we are, we are trade
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  addicts. We need to go to TA, oh wait, TA
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  trade, Trade Addicts Anonymous. Don't think it's just TA, it's
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  not like a trade. Anonymous traders.
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  Anonymous. No, but it's Alcoholics
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  Anonymous. I guess it's in one word, yeah.
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  So OK, fine TA I think. ATA.
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  So we just we just made it up. You're you guys are all part of
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  the TA group now. So whether you.
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  Like everyone, I'm Josh and I'm a trade addict.
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  Josh is the biggest trade act I've ever met in my entire life.
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  Josh will ruin relationships for trades.
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  That's what he's willing to do. Just to to should happen.
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  There's such a rush from pulling off a trade, like, it doesn't
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  even have to be like. I'm I'm, I'm, I'm putting it out
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  there like Josh, there's a lot of trees that Josh has been
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  saved from himself because he's too addicted to training.
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  There's a lot of trades that I think we look back and we're
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  like, we were trying to make a trade happen with a manager.
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  And then, you know, they're like, you know, they don't wanna
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  make it happen. And then you look back a month
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  from now and it would have been a huge L for.
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  Yeah, absolutely. I remember almost trying to
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  trade. This was like a month and a half
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  ago. I was trying to say like Eric
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  Carlson for Victor Hedman and I was giving Eric Carlson plus.
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  And this was like, you know, when Hedman is really bad, I've
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  just got bumped off and now he's heard for months.
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  And if that trade goes through, my team is in a lot worse spot.
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  So sometimes we just need to be safe from ourselves.
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  But a lot of. Times I was sending like a trade
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  offer to someone and he was like, I don't know, whatever.
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  And then I scrolled up and are like text chat and it was just a
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  bunch of like screenshots of trade offers I sent him over the
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  year. And I looked at every single one
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  and I was like, dude, every single one of these trades I
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  sent you this year would have been a huge one for you.
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  It's selling tactic. It's been like this is.
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  It didn't work, but still. I almost messed up my whole
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  season. You still have the chance to do
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  that for me, Take these guys off my.
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  Absolutely, yeah. But let's let's get into the
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  real. Of course I don't know of.
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  listening to or actually video episodes on YouTube as well.
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  And in the new year, we're gonna try to up our YouTube game, have
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  some cool overlays and stuff. So you can look forward to that.
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  But in the meantime, you just have to be content with looking
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  at Josh and I's face. And then maybe Jake will be back
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  in the new year. We'll see.
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  But no, he will definitely be back because he sucks at
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  karaoke. And.
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  you're not already in there and you'll have a lot of fun and
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  yeah. So let's get into the two weeks
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  update and then we're gonna get into three, buy low
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  opportunities for you and three sell high opportunities for you
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  that Josh and I highlighted. But listen, let's see how our
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  our picks from 2 weeks ago went. OK, I'm gonna say I'm gonna
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  start this off. Preface this by saying that I
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  think this is the Best Buy low two weeks ago update that we've
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  ever had, and we've had some really good ones.
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  But this is like, this is like immediate return on investment.
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  Like you made the trade and when we told you to and you're
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  laughing. So let's dive.
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  Into also little tidbit I we got our first comment on Tiktok
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  about somebody being like profit ache.
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  Did you mean preface? And like, it's just, we're
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  getting to the point now where like, we're, we're hitting the
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  mainstream, mainstream media and the people don't understand
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  their inside jokes and we're gonna get roasted for them.
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  So that's really fun. But once they become fans,
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  they'll realize that it's intentional.
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  So it's. All on it, no?
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  Exactly. I love having inside jokes with
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  the viewers. It's great.
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  That's actually, that was actually a highlight from our
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  first year when we were really small and, and I was making the
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  weekly Reddit posts like with the with the streamers and all
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  that. And someone commented, like I
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  had recommended, like, Jackson Lacombe doing good, commented
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  like, did you know he used to be a forward, you know?
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  And I was like, Oh my God. Forward exactly.
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  Look over these actually. Former forward.
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  Yeah, exactly. That was one of our good classic
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  jokes from last season. So it's great seeing people
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  getting into it. I love it.
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  But yeah, let's get into this. Two weeks ago update, our bylaws
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  were Tim Stutzel. Since then, six games played,
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  four goals, 6 assists, 10 points.
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  You cannot ask for a more immediate turnarounds.
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  When I recommended him two weeks ago, he was at .7 points per
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  game on the past month. The PowerPoint wasn't clicking,
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  nothing was going right, and then he just absolutely blew up
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  and we called it like this is This is why you listen to this
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  episode and This is why you go out and target the guys we tell
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  you to. Hmm.
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  So this was a massive, massive win.
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  Then we had Zach Hyman since then, seven games played, six
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  goals, two assist, eight points, another explosion.
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  He was doing so poorly when we recommended him two weeks ago.
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  This is another one. If you pulled that off, you're
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  laughing. The one thing with being so
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  successful with these two weeks ago update is that the window
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  closed so fast. So I hope people were able to
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  pull it off. And lastly, we had Erasmus
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  selling and since then, five games played, two goals, 6
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  assists, eight points. I mean, these stats speak for
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  themselves for all three of these guys.
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  These were like the most immediate like you had like this
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  span of time from when we really started episode till like snipe
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  these Vilos. But if you did, you're
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  immediately. Rewarded.
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  It's it's it's actually crazy. So listen, we're going to go
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  through some targets today and it might be, it might feel a
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  little ambiguous for you because you like this guy is doing so
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  well on my roster, but then you're able to flip him for this
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  massive talent that is underperforming that you might
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  see, you know, the dividends pay immediately.
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  Like we were telling you guys to sell like Rasmus Andersson there
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  and radish for Rasmus Dahlin. And that was a feasible target
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  at the time 2 weeks ago, obviously, like looking back
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  like, oh man, how did that ever get done?
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  But fantasy is played in weekly increments and every week is
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  kind of like its own little, its own little like vacuum of value.
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  And that's. Why?
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  You're able to cause them if you will.
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  Yeah. Oh, damn.
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  Alright, we're getting scientific here.
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  But if you were able to make moves like that, like you're
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  laughing now when we want you guys to buy Zach, I mean, you
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  could have sold guys like Vilardi Bertuzzi, who we've
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  highlighted since then, like with no Bedard is much worse.
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  And if you were able to trade guys like that, like, it's just
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  incredible what you could have. Done.
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  Yeah, let's get to Horseheads were from 2 weeks ago.
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  These are a bit more ambiguous, but actually still big wins.
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  So we had Jason Robertson since then, seven games played, four
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  goals to assist, 6 points. Now let me say first of all, he
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  put up a three-point game last night.
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  If he hadn't done that before that, it was 3 points and six
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  games. So that would look a lot nicer.
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  But regardless, under point per game, when we recommended two
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  weeks ago, he was at like almost 2 points per game.
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  He was our points. He was at 1.67 points over the
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  last month, two weeks ago recommended this yeah, 667 for
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  everybody that's on YouTube or not on YouTube.
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  And he was at 0.6 power play points and he was averaging
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  almost four shots a game. This was this was two weeks ago
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  and that was his monthly status. Yeah, and now he's under the
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  past two weeks since we recommended him under point per
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  game and the power play is way lower.
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  And it's just like what we had said at the time, I was never
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  saying that he's gonna become a pumpkin.
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  And you know, like is a guy. He wasn't one of those guys that
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  like, get off your roster. It was just the value was there
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  and you could take advantage. So I hope everyone.
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  Did we told people to sell for Austin Matthews?
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  David Pasternak. Target a target low.
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  We were telling people to aim for like top five picks in the
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  draft and it was doable. So it's a I.
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  Reached Robertson for Matthews two weeks ago.
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  Yeah, and I know people might see that and think like, oh,
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  Matthews is washed, like he sucks.
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  Like the not all the bylaws kick off right away.
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  You know, they're not all like from our the ones we just
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  mentioned two weeks ago, you know, some of them take some
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  time, but it's, it's still a great win.
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  Um, OK, then we had John Carlson.
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  Since then, four games played, one goal, 3 assists, 4 points,
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  only one power play point. I know this looks like it's
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  like, oh, he's keeping it up and all that, but he still doesn't
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  have power play 1 and he's still overperforming.
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  So sometimes the cell high is, you know, again, they don't
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  immediately, the window doesn't immediately close.
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  If anything, sell them high just like we recommended two weeks
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  ago. The fact that he still he's
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  still not on PP1, it just goes to show that this is like still
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  somebody that really want to ship off my roster as soon as
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  possible. This is not going to hold up.
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  Absolutely. And then we had Esper Walstead
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  since then only played three games.
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  He had two wins, .907 save percentage and 2.7 three goals
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  against average. But he's playing every 3rd game
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  now. When we recommended him, it was
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  a clear tandem back and forth. He had four shutouts in six
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  games. Four shots of the six games,
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  guys. 4 shutouts in six games. Yeah, I think you're gonna tell
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  everybody was talking about him. He is the best goalie in fantasy
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  now blah blah. Absolutely, and we're
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  recommending some really high targets.
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  Yep. So now that he's playing every
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  3rd game, I think it's gonna be a lot harder to try and sell
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  high on him because even though the quality, that's it, the
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  quality is still there. Minnesota is an unbelievable
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  team. The goalies are really good.
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  But if you're playing every 3rd game like you're barely
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  restorable, honestly, like one start a week Max on A2 game week
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  you could get 0 starts. That's that's not someone I'm
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  too super happy to have, so I really hope people sold high on
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  him when he had the chance. And if and if you were listening
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  to our episode, like we said two weeks ago, some of the targets
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  we highlighted, like you could have Vasilevsky, you could have
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  got Hella Buck, who was still hurt at the time, right?
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  And then he came back like snapping the fingers.
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  It was like his skating. He's back tonight actually.
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  So that was really surprising. And if you were able to pull
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  that off, like you're laughing. So it always feels bad in the
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  moment, like you're holding a guy.
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  You just picked him off waivers. He got 4 shutouts in six games.
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  You're like, Oh my God, I just picked up like the league
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  winning goalie. Do I even want hella buck at
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  this point? It sounds so crazy to say after
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  the fact, but when you're in the moment it's really hard.
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  But you just gotta trust your gut and look at the numbers and
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  trust the process. Guys always trust the process.
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  These always work out. Absolutely.
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  I mean, like, I have like a little Excel model that I built
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  for fantasy hockey and it just pulls the season averages and
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  every time I make a trade, my team gets worse in my model.
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  My model hates me. And that's because when you buy
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  low and sell high, you're trading for guys who had worse
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  averages than the ones you're selling.
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  But overtime in the future, it's gonna end up being the opposite.
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  So it is funny to saying that I built a model that that hates
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  me, but it kind of feels that way sometimes.
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  Josh is always complaining about his model.
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  He's like, my model has me losing every category this week,
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  and then somehow he wins every category every week.
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  So then you're like, hmm, maybe you should change the model,
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  Josh, I don't know. I like I'd rather expect to lose
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  and then win than expect to win and then lose.
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  When you expect to lose and lose, you're like what am I even
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  doing here? Actually that means the models
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  working maybe. So yeah, exactly.
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  It's a win, win regardless. All right, let's go into our
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  bilos for this week. I'll get us started off with
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  Clayton Keller of the Utah Mammoth.
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  So over the past month, Colours averaging .75 points per game,
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  .25 probably points and three shots.
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  This is slightly lower than his season average, but last year he
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  is at 1.11 points per game, .46 power play points and 2.7 shots.
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  So Colour broke out in his fifth full season in the NHL in 2021
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  and since then, over the past the last Four Seasons, he's
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  always been a .9 to 1.1 points per game player and he's done it
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  on way worse teams. In the one he's currently on.
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  His shooting percentage this year is 10.8%.
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  Over the past four years it's 15.1.
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  That's a 4.3% difference. That's significant.
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  Utah's power play is also ranked 25th this year versus 10th best
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  last year. And they started off the season
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  really hot, so we know they can do it.
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  The team has only gotten better since last year and all the top
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  guys on that team are currently underperforming or injured like
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  Logan Cooley. I expect Colour to easily finish
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  the season with a point per game and around .35 power play
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  points. So it's a great time to buy.
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  Disclaimer Utah does have a two game week in the finals week 23,
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  so the way I would play this is out of choir quick.
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  Keller for cheap right now. Wait for him to heat up and then
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  flip him near the trade deadline for someone who's a better
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  playoff schedule but who is way better than who you sent to get
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  him. So in general, like with the
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  playoff schedule, you know, it's scary to acquire a guy with a
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  bad playoff schedule. But if the value is there, you
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  got to take the value and then see what you can do with it.
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  Some targets, I've got Carter Verhaeghe, he was highlighted
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  last week as a cell high. That's a no brainer.
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  Nazem Kadri, also one of our cell highs from last week gave
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  Velardi put a put a nickel in the in the majority after this.
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  But he's been on fire. And I would definitely prefer
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  Keller, Ryan Nugent, Hopkins as well and then Brandon Hagel.
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  I think the injury makes things a bit more murky, but assuming
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  he comes back healthy soon then I think with how people are
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  playing you can possibly get colour plus for Hegel.
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  And I still think people value Hagel pretty highly.
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  Like, yeah, the injury is the injury is tough, but people are
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  not like the sentiment that I'm seeing is people are just upset
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  of Florida keeps injuring Hagel as opposed to Hagel keep getting
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  hurt. Yes, exactly.
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  I think that kind of plays into your favor in terms of this
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  injury and him maintaining value while being hurt.
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  But like you said, I think you can get Keller plus.
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  So I would say make it a 2 for two.
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  If you're giving Brandon go, get Keller and have that be
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  perceived as like a downgrade from Hagel to Keller and then
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  that potentially is a long term upgrade for you.
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  And then also get another upgrade on the side as well.
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  I think that's the best way to play that.
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  But all these targets, I completely agree with them.
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  I think my favorite, if you can flip Verhaeghe or Gabe Vilardi
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  for Keller, I think those are slam dunks, even Kadri.
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  But I think with Kadri you can aim maybe slightly higher than a
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  guy like Keller and maybe want to use Kadri as a piece and a
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  trade like that. But like, nonetheless, if you
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  have to make me choose one guy rest of season, I'm choosing
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  Clayton Keller. So exactly everything you said I
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  think is shooting percentage is going to regress.
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  Like we have enough of a sample size to know how good of a
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  player Keller is for this Utah team and what we can expect for
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  him to do rest of season. And I really want to capitalize
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  on that. And like you said, trade for him
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  now, get him for cheap and then flip them for an even better
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  asset after it has a better playoff schedule.
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  I think it's a no brainer. All right, Kevin, who you got
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  for us? Let me take a simple water cause
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  I'm about to go on a spiel. Alright, I'm excited for this
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  all. Right.
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  My choice for my Week 12 BI Lo is none other than a guy we
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  touted the whole offseason that if you got on your team, you've
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  probably been pretty happy thus far.
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  But it is Kirill Marchenko of the Columbus Blue Jackets.
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  He was in our league. I think he got drafted in like
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  double digit rounds. No, no, he got drafted in.
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  The same line? No.
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  Was it 6? Yeah, he got drafted once after
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  I picked. Yeah, I'm probably thinking of a
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  different league, but like you want to double digit around a
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  lot of leagues. I got him in the 14th round in
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  some leagues, which is pretty nuts because the Yahoo ADP was
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  just so low. But Marchenko was averaging 0.4
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  points per game over the last month when he's on the season, a
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  0.9 points per game player. Last season he showed he can get
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  close to a point per game. Two.
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  He was at like .94 point 96 last season.
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  His shots are still super great. He's got three shots a game and
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  that has stayed consistent throughout his whole season.
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  Even through this last slump, he's still shooting three shots
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  a game. The important thing to note,
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  though, is that he did miss time, and Columbus in general
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  has been in a rut that led to this decline.
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  It's like the whole team is kind of struggling right now.
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  They can't win games. They have so many third period
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  chokes. I'm a Jed Grieves owner and I've
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  felt this like to my core because it feels like every time
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  I'm watching a Columbus game, they're up like 2132 and there's
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  5 minutes left and they end up losing like 4-3 in overtime.
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  And it's honestly demoralizing. But what I do love about
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  Marchenko though, is requiring a very talismanic player.
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  Like we talked about this on a, I think it was a few episodes
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  ago, it was a Hot topic or mailbag episode and somebody
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  asked us if how many talismanic players are there in the league.
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  And I think this lesson you would expect like the talismanic
• 16:55
  players, not just the best player on the team, it's the guy
• 16:57
  that like it's. A big deal, A big talismanic
• 17:00
  gatekeeper. I do gatekeeper talismans so,
• 17:04
  But Kirill Marchenko is a talismanic player for the
• 17:08
  Columbus Blue Jackets. And when you can acquire a
• 17:10
  player like that, it feels like they have such a high, high that
• 17:13
  when they're all, when they're clicking on all cylinders like
• 17:15
  the ceiling can be. If watching on YouTube, I'm
• 17:19
  going up um, but I expect that when he gets up and running
• 17:23
  again and there's no doubt in my mind that he will be up and
• 17:25
  running again. The whole team will be on the
• 17:27
  come up and it just gives more success to everybody.
• 17:30
  And another encouraging sign through this slump is that even
• 17:34
  though his point production over the last month, guys month
• 17:37
  that's 30 days is at 0.4 points per game, 0.4.
• 17:42
  That's abysmal. That means he's not even getting
• 17:45
  one. That's worse than two games.
• 17:46
  It is you can stream like .7 points production on off
• 17:49
  waivers. So he's at .4 and this is the
• 17:52
  guy that is shooting a lot is the best player on his team.
• 17:55
  He's just not delivering right now.
• 17:57
  But even when he's at .4, his power production is still there.
• 18:00
  It's at .3 around there. And that's been it's been at
• 18:03
  that level the whole season. So that tells me it's like, OK,
• 18:05
  it's not the power play that's the issue, which is already a
• 18:07
  great foundation to have for a fantasy asset.
• 18:10
  And it's also like what we're always looking to acquire.
• 18:12
  We're looking to acquire, you know, power Play 1 assets.
• 18:16
  It's a 5V5 production right now that's really struggling.
• 18:18
  And they're mixing the line combination to trying to get
• 18:20
  something that works again. But I think it's just a matter
• 18:24
  of time until it happens again. And look who's coming to say hi
• 18:27
  if you're on YouTube. Little troublemaker.
• 18:32
  My cat. No, she doesn't.
• 18:36
  Fruit lovers out there. But I think listen, Marchenko to
• 18:39
  finish my point is very acquirable right now.
• 18:43
  I think he still has the not the stink, but like last year was
• 18:47
  his first year breaking out. So I feel like people have in
• 18:50
  the back of their minds like was it a one year wonder type of
• 18:52
  thing, which it clearly is not. We're telling you it's not.
• 18:55
  But if you could trade guys like, I mean, I don't want to
• 18:57
  just reish rehash all the same targets that Josh listed for
• 19:01
  Keller above. But there are similar types of
• 19:03
  guys that you're requiring high shot volume, guys that are hover
• 19:06
  around point per game. But if you can trade Kadri
• 19:08
  again, I would love that. Verhagen.
• 19:09
  Still, we're highlighting Vega a lot because he is the guy that I
• 19:12
  want to get off. Roster time, like I'm selling so
• 19:15
  hard. Guys, when you're listening to
• 19:16
  this, it's the weekend of December 20th.
• 19:20
  No, you're listening to this on a Monday.
• 19:22
  Sorry, we're recording this right before Monday.
• 19:25
  Um, but Matthew could Chuck is on the verge of coming back.
• 19:30
  I think he's targeting like a December 28.
• 19:33
  I think is the, the date that I heard him talking about on his
• 19:36
  podcast that he wants to come back.
• 19:38
  That means you have like a few days before we see him
• 19:40
  practicing in line rushes and everything like that.
• 19:43
  If you miss this window on very, you're going to be so upset
• 19:45
  with. Yourself, let's put it.
• 19:46
  Let's put it this way. If you're in our discord, I
• 19:49
  don't want you to have Rahegi by the new year.
• 19:51
  Yeah, and it would come to us. We'll give you, you know, tell
• 19:54
  us what teams you're targeting. We'll find you the perfect
• 19:56
  targets. But I don't want anyone in our
• 19:58
  Wenger management discord owning for Hagee's going into the new
• 20:01
  year. Yeah.
• 20:03
  So I really hope, I really hope you're able to pull that off.
• 20:06
  I think Brandon Russ, Brian Rust is still one of the best guys
• 20:10
  that you can trade for Marchenko and Brandon Hagel.
• 20:13
  From all these mango plus for that.
• 20:15
  Yeah, absolutely. He's been so bad right now guys,
• 20:17
  you can get more. So I really this is a guy that I
• 20:19
  really want to try to acquire. If he was on a different team in
• 20:22
  our league of record, I'd be sending offers.
• 20:24
  But I think there's listen, the best days might not be right
• 20:28
  ahead of you, but he's a clear by low right now and I want to I
• 20:32
  want to get him on my team. Yeah, I mean, like you think
• 20:35
  about like an exam, not the same because Martin is a much better
• 20:38
  player, but you think about a guy who it's taking it took a
• 20:40
  while after the buy low, but then it's picking up now.
• 20:43
  Is Kevin picked traded for Dorothy of like a month ago and
• 20:47
  he was playing like he's playing playing like a drop for three of
• 20:50
  those weeks. But now he's all of a sudden on
• 20:51
  the up and up and that's it. Like some of these are slow
• 20:54
  burns, you know, but in the end they pay off.
• 20:56
  So so but marching. I don't expect to take as long
• 20:59
  as a starter failed to turn it. On and it's also like yeah, we
• 21:02
  were highlighting the rave as a by law a month ago and in a lot
• 21:05
  of leagues like he was drop worthy because you know you're
• 21:08
  not playing in the deepest of leagues and he's the worst guy
• 21:10
  in roster and it's been like that for a while.
• 21:12
  But The thing is when you're acquiring these BIOS, you're
• 21:14
  also paying to buy low price because what's the point of
• 21:18
  trading a guy that's gonna be equally as good when the other
• 21:20
  guy starts bouncing back like you're trying to capitalize on
• 21:22
  the lower value because you should like the guy is not worth
• 21:25
  as much. It's not like we're trying to
• 21:27
  manipulate anybody into being like given to us for free.
• 21:31
  Like he's not producing for your fantasy team.
• 21:33
  Maybe you need the results right now, like, so you're offering a
• 21:36
  fair trade in the moment. It's just that we're expecting
• 21:39
  the value to go up later. It's like buying a stock and
• 21:42
  then blowing up everything. I traded Kyle Palmieri and Vince
• 21:45
  Dunn for Pandora PHEV a month ago and honestly, Dorothea has
• 21:50
  been was way worse than Palmary at the time.
• 21:53
  Vince Dunn was he? He's been shaky up and down, but
• 21:56
  it's like I gave up like massive value to get him.
• 21:58
  And yeah, he's been on my roster for three weeks and he sucked.
• 22:00
  But now I'm reaping the rewards in this last week where he's
• 22:02
  popping off again. So.
• 22:03
  Exactly. OK, let's go to our bonus
• 22:06
  choice. Since Jake's not here to make
• 22:09
  one, we still have to give the viewers what they want, and
• 22:11
  that's three by Lowe's and three cell highs every week.
• 22:13
  So for our bonus choice, buy low.
• 22:16
  This name I've seen floating around a lot, so I thought it
• 22:19
  would be important to to highlight him and wanted him.
• 22:23
  Yeah, we've got Dylan Strome of the Washington Capitals.
• 22:26
  Over the past month, he's averaging .47 points per game
• 22:29
  and .13 power play points. We were just talking about
• 22:32
  Marchenko at .4 and how that's worse than waiver wire
• 22:34
  production. Same with Dylan Strome, last
• 22:37
  year he was averaging one point per game and .41 power play
• 22:40
  points. Strong is the archetype of
• 22:42
  player that we're not the biggest fans of here on Bangor
• 22:44
  management he barely touches any baquettes other than face off
• 22:47
  wins, so when he's not producing points for you, he's getting
• 22:49
  straight zeros. Because of this I wouldn't
• 22:51
  recommend him as a bylo unless he was so severely
• 22:53
  underperforming in points, but luckily for us he's producing
• 22:56
  less than half the points and PowerPoints that I expect him
• 22:59
  to. His deployment as the line one
• 23:00
  power play 1 centre on Washington, the 6th place team
• 23:03
  in the league right now, is completely locked down.
• 23:05
  Their power play is currently ranked 29th in the league versus
• 23:09
  14th last year, so it can only go up and Strom should be good
• 23:12
  for at least 1.8 points per game and .25 power play points with a
• 23:16
  ceiling of 1 and .4 like we saw last year.
• 23:18
  His floor is .8. I don't see any way he finishes
• 23:21
  under that since he's so bad at back hats on a stretch like
• 23:24
  this. He's been putting up straight
• 23:26
  zeros for his owner, so his owners probably fed up and eager
• 23:28
  to get him off their team. This is when we pounce.
• 23:30
  So look, this is a guy who you know, doesn't have the value of
• 23:35
  the back cats. He's not putting up any points
• 23:37
  and so you're not going to offer a lot for him.
• 23:39
  A lot of people want to drop them, but if you can get him for
• 23:41
  a low price then it's definitely worth it.
• 23:43
  So some targets I put Josh Norris.
• 23:45
  I know that might upset Kevin, but uh, I think that's a great
• 23:48
  one. Ryan O'Reilly we talked about
• 23:50
  him in our streamers episode the last two weeks over a point per
• 23:53
  game in the past month and then Brock Nelson has randomly been
• 23:56
  super hot lately. So I tried to put centres for
• 23:58
  centres, but yeah, these are all guys that I would rather have
• 24:01
  strong over. I mean, listen, I, I, I feel
• 24:04
  that Josh Norris 1. I don't know if it's just my
• 24:06
  bias. Probably my bias influences that
• 24:08
  a lot because I've, I was the guy that was touting Josh Norris
• 24:11
  in the off season and I held him through his injury because I
• 24:14
  drafted him in my own league. So I stuck to my guns and now
• 24:17
  he's producing like crazy. But if you had to tell me that,
• 24:21
  you know who gets more points for rest of season, like not
• 24:23
  moving forward like I feel like I have to bet my house on on
• 24:26
  Dylan Strome not gonna be at my house.
• 24:28
  I don't have a house here. But wait, that's not true.
• 24:31
  It's on Zillow actually. Go.
• 24:32
  Yeah. But I, I do think I, I love Ryan
• 24:37
  O'Reilly and Brock Nelson. I think those are perfect
• 24:38
  targets. I think those are actually
• 24:40
  feasible with the sentiment around Dylan Strome.
• 24:42
  Like guys, people are dropping him.
• 24:43
  Yeah, so that was really trying to put like low target to send
• 24:46
  anyone serious like for. That's the thing, I feel like
• 24:50
  Josh Norris is like in a vacuum, maybe don't stream is like
• 24:54
  slightly better, but I feel you can send less than Josh Norris
• 24:57
  to get that done. And you maybe look, if you can
• 25:00
  promise me that Josh Norris stays healthy rest this season,
• 25:03
  I could see an argument that you'd rather have him over
• 25:06
  Strome. Yeah, but with all his wrists
• 25:09
  involved and all that. And even if N stays healthy rest
• 25:11
  this season, I still see Strong getting more points.
• 25:13
  What Norris brings is having some back coverage versus
• 25:16
  stroke. Who?
• 25:16
  Doesn't the shots are big difference and.
• 25:18
  For sure, yeah. The power play points could be a
• 25:20
  big difference. Too.
• 25:21
  But I think with the not like you can ever guarantee health on
• 25:24
  any other device. But with all those question
• 25:26
  Marks and the fact that I already think Trump's gonna get
• 25:28
  more points, even if healthy. That's why I'm going strong over
• 25:31
  Norris. Look, if you can't offer less, I
• 25:34
  think you can get strum Plus for Haiti.
• 25:36
  Yeah, And I'd rather I'd rather have strum.
• 25:38
  Yeah. So I think like right now, like
• 25:40
  if you, if you own Verhagen, if Enstrom is not on your waivers
• 25:44
  and you're in a deep enough league that is still the owner
• 25:47
  still holding, get strong plus make it a 2 for two and get 2
• 25:50
  upgrades. Yes, I like that a lot.
• 25:52
  That's a really good way of looking at it as well.
• 25:54
  This was like for one for one guys, but we always prefer 2 for
• 25:57
  twos and the that's a great way of putting it.
• 25:59
  Or if you want to stick with positions, I think if you do
• 26:01
  Kadri plus someone for strong plus someone, I think the second
• 26:05
  person that trade be a huge upgrade for you because the
• 26:07
  person getting that trade is gonna be like Strom is like
• 26:09
  country is way better than Strome and country is has been.
• 26:12
  I mean, he he's a good shot volume guy and all that like so,
• 26:15
  but if you make that second part of the trade a big upgrade for
• 26:17
  you, then that's a great trade. Would you do Chantilly for
• 26:20
  Strom? That's tough.
• 26:24
  That's tough. I'm pretty high on Chantilly
• 26:25
  with the new, with the deployment, and I feel like he's
• 26:27
  also kind of a Bilo with how bad Columbus has been.
• 26:31
  But yeah, the tough thing, like I'm trying to put really kind of
• 26:35
  like bottom. Not bad advice, but like.
• 26:38
  You don't wanna pay that much for.
• 26:39
  Him. That's it exactly.
• 26:41
  Maybe like it's not that I don't for him.
• 26:43
  Yeah, I would love that if you can pull that off.
• 26:45
  It's not that I don't believe in the turn around.
• 26:47
  I obviously do, which is why I put him here.
• 26:48
  It's more that his value is so low right now.
• 26:50
  I don't think you should have to pay more than more than some of
• 26:54
  these guys. What about London?
• 26:56
  Yeah, I would take strum. This is one of our would you
• 26:58
  rather is that we were discussing that you guys
• 27:01
  disagreed with me a few weeks ago, but I'm definitely taking
• 27:03
  Stroma for. London, Elias Lindholm.
• 27:05
  That's the last one also, that's tough.
• 27:09
  Dodge has allies Lindholm on his team.
• 27:11
  So the playoff schedule is a big a big aspect of it, but, and
• 27:16
  honestly, Boston's power play is kind of unreal.
• 27:18
  So I think you can get strong Plus and I wouldn't hate that.
• 27:23
  Maybe you can look into that, making the two for two, I don't
• 27:26
  know. Who I could look into that?
• 27:28
  It is the first place team, OK. So yeah, maybe they won't be he.
• 27:32
  Doesn't want to make any trades like these days, unfortunately,
• 27:35
  because I'm trying to flip McDavid for McKinnon.
• 27:38
  But yeah, yeah, all right. That should be our bylaws.
• 27:42
  Let's get into our cell highs. I'm not happy about this one.
• 27:46
  Josh, this one is. Look, do I like poking the bear
• 27:50
  sometimes and antagonizing? My.
• 27:51
  Cohost. What do we do our our cell high
• 27:55
  segment? Josh goes straight to my team
• 27:56
  and he's like, who could I pick up Devin team first?
• 27:58
  I already know his process. No, no, not.
• 28:00
  Not like this time it was more like I really wanted a a
• 28:03
  defenseman. So I was just I sorted by
• 28:04
  defenseman to see who was like performing like crazy.
• 28:07
  I don't disagree. This name, this name just jumped
• 28:09
  out at me. So it's just a bonus that it
• 28:11
  that it gets to get on under Kevin skin a little bit by
• 28:13
  picking someone on his team. But yeah, so my cell high for
• 28:16
  this week is Eric Carlson of the Pittsburgh Penguins.
• 28:20
  Listen in on these past months stats.
• 28:23
  This is unreal. The past month, Carlson's
• 28:25
  averaging .86 points per game, .5 power play points per game,
• 28:30
  and 2.8 shots. To give you some comparison,
• 28:33
  last year he was at .65 points per game, .18 power play points,
• 28:37
  and 2.3 shots. Look, he's been solid all year,
• 28:40
  but he's been on an absolute tear lately and you have the
• 28:43
  opportunity to tear up big here. Pittsburgh power play is
• 28:45
  currently ranked third in the league, and they were 6th last
• 28:47
  year, so this is where they belong.
• 28:48
  This is not an outlier in terms of how their power play should
• 28:50
  perform. Carlson is also the undisputed
• 28:53
  PowerPoint 1 defenseman on this team.
• 28:55
  Probably wondering why I'm recommending the solid guy who
• 28:57
  has amazing deployment and is taking full advantage of it.
• 29:00
  Firstly, he's averaging .5 power play points, which is just
• 29:03
  completely unsustainable. We've talked about this a lot,
• 29:06
  but McDavid and McKinnon usually on the season around .4 or five
• 29:09
  power play points, so I'm never betting anyone's finishing
• 29:11
  higher than that. Best case, Carlson should end
• 29:13
  the season around .3 power play points, which is still amazing,
• 29:16
  but that's a .2 points per and PowerPoints dip right there.
• 29:20
  Last year he was at .18, probably points while having the
• 29:23
  exact same deployment as to this year.
• 29:25
  Pittsburgh is also an interesting spot in the
• 29:27
  standings right now. There are three points out of
• 29:29
  being the bottom team in the East while also being 2 points
• 29:31
  out of a playoff spot. I think they'll be in the wild
• 29:33
  card mix for most of the season, but I don't expect them to make
• 29:35
  the playoffs. If they ever hit a point where
• 29:37
  they don't think they can make the playoffs, you can expect
• 29:39
  them to start selling guys like Ricardo Raquel, Brian Rust and
• 29:42
  possibly even Eric Carlson. If those other guys go, the team
• 29:46
  in power play will definitely get worse and so will Carlson.
• 29:48
  If Carlson goes, it can only be a downgrade on his current
• 29:51
  deployment, so he will get worse as well.
• 29:53
  Why worry about this when you can tear up and turn him into a
• 29:55
  guaranteed stud for the rest of the year?
• 29:57
  So some targets I'm looking at Josh Morrissey, Adam Fox, Quinn
• 30:02
  Hughes, you'd have to do plus, but he's been really bad and I
• 30:04
  know the trade shake things up a bit, but he's been really bad
• 30:06
  over the past month .38 points per game, Roman Yosi, most
• 30:10
  slider. These are all guys who are like
• 30:12
  like the one here that like you might think is a bit sketchy
• 30:14
  might be Yoshi because like the injury worry and he's also like
• 30:18
  a Bilo. But I'm still taking all of
• 30:20
  these guys over Carlson and for some of them, maybe even you can
• 30:23
  get get that person. Plus like Morris Heisman garbage
• 30:26
  lately and he's a great buy low. So yeah, I'm curious to think
• 30:30
  what what the Carlson owner in our league has to say about
• 30:33
  this. I mean, listen, as the Carlson
• 30:37
  owner in our league, I, I mean, I love all these targets.
• 30:40
  I agree. I'm not eating low.
• 30:42
  I'm not. I'm not understanding.
• 30:43
  What he's doing. Yeah, I know.
• 30:44
  I I honestly think you're aiming too high because really I've
• 30:48
  done my due diligence and I've tried to trade Eric Carlson for
• 30:51
  a lot of these names and I don't wanna see doesn't have to pull
• 30:55
  that we think he has or that he should have or that it's just
• 30:58
  people are not willing to give up these guys for Carlson.
• 31:02
  Quinn Hughes is a stretch. You definitely have to do a big
• 31:04
  a decent plus to make what happened.
• 31:06
  He just has been so bad but I think the trade height might
• 31:08
  make him. Out of I think the trade
• 31:09
  completely take some more years by.
• 31:10
  Law. I think that's fair.
• 31:12
  Cider is just such a Unicorn of the Bangor cats that I could see
• 31:15
  people not wanting to part with him.
• 31:16
  For his points to his points have been really like not there.
• 31:21
  So, yeah, so that's why I like window.
• 31:23
  There's a window. So but those ones, I could see
• 31:26
  you being like, OK, that's a bit of a stretch, but I mean,
• 31:28
  Morrissey's been really bad. You'll see has so many question
• 31:31
  marks around him and Fox is on LTIR.
• 31:33
  I think these are all achievable.
• 31:34
  I tried for Fox. The owner just didn't want to
• 31:37
  make the swap. I guess he's not in a desperate,
• 31:39
  desperate enough situation that that won't happen.
• 31:41
  But that's not to say that the Fox owner in your league is not
• 31:44
  as desperate. You know what I mean?
• 31:45
  I think that's very fair and I think it's very feasible given
• 31:48
  do we know that Fox is missing at least another month?
• 31:51
  You'll see is the one that scares me Josh Morrissey.
• 31:53
  I think also because I do think Eric Carlson is going to be
• 31:56
  better than he was last season. Penguins were a bleep show last
• 32:00
  season and this year it looks like they're, you know, they're
• 32:03
  going into a negative run of form now and it's kind of bad.
• 32:07
  But Carlson still producing, I do think he'll be better than he
• 32:10
  was last year, but I still think it's to sell high.
• 32:12
  Obviously, like nobody's averaging .5 points per game for
• 32:14
  the rest of the season, especially on a defenseman like
• 32:15
  this. Yeah, so I do understand the
• 32:18
  sell high more so I feel like is the most achievable out of all
• 32:21
  of these. So I would listen, I'm going to
• 32:24
  send an offer right now after this so and see if I can make.
• 32:27
  Something you know, I like pushing your buttons, but I also
• 32:29
  give you good ideas sometimes and it's like I'm probably not
• 32:32
  the best to give my competition some good ideas.
• 32:34
  And we talked about it, how it seems scary in the moment, but
• 32:38
  it usually pays dividends. Like I'm scared right now.
• 32:40
  I'm like, yeah. Is Josh Morrissey actually gonna
• 32:42
  be better than Eric Carlson? Look like what he's been doing
• 32:43
  for the last month, You know what I mean?
• 32:45
  Like his shooting. It's Eric Carlson, right?
• 32:46
  Like he's got. I remember Josh had Eric Carlson
• 32:49
  and roster like 2 years ago when he was able to keep them for.
• 32:51
  What do you feel like Drysol idle?
• 32:53
  Like, yeah, I mean, it was a big like it was like it was before
• 32:55
  trade, but. He won the Norris like that
• 32:57
  year, too. Right.
• 32:58
  So I drafted in this exact same as this year.
• 33:01
  I drafted Carlson right around where you drafted him this year,
• 33:03
  which is super late in the draft.
• 33:04
  Yeah. And then he started popping off
• 33:06
  and I'm like, I have to sell. I have to sell.
• 33:08
  No one would take him and telling me this big blockbuster
• 33:10
  trade that ended up being a big win for me.
• 33:12
  But Carlson then just kept being good all season.
• 33:14
  So. But that's the idea, right?
• 33:16
  Is like, I'm not saying that he's going to be bad, but why
• 33:18
  not? Why take the worry of him, you
• 33:21
  know, dropping off when you could just convert him into a
• 33:24
  guaranteed stud? Yeah.
• 33:26
  So yeah, I'm going to try to make trades for Josh Morrissey,
• 33:28
  Adam Fox myself and see what happens.
• 33:30
  Roman Yosi Thing is just personally, I'm just I just
• 33:32
  don't want. To, I mean, just talked about it
• 33:34
  in the offseason and stuff that like Yoshi has a lot of question
• 33:36
  Marks and we're kind of not. Schedule.
• 33:39
  And is he even gonna be healthy when the playoff schedule
• 33:41
  happens? Like National is on the bottom
• 33:42
  of the Ross? They might just shut him down.
• 33:44
  And upstairs, I think in terms of pure value, I'd rather YOC.
• 33:47
  But I think with all the question marks, then I don't
• 33:48
  blame you for not wanting to send that.
• 33:50
  I think the two best, the targets are the first ones that
• 33:52
  I put, which was Mercy and Fox. And then Carlson, like, if he's
• 33:55
  still on the Penguins by the playoffs, you have to have a
• 33:58
  really good schedule. But Fox, I prefer the 444 over a
• 34:01
  435 just yeah, I like the consistency.
• 34:03
  So yeah. So yeah.
• 34:06
  But yeah, great, great choice. And I think there's, I think as
• 34:09
  of right now all the defensemen like he's one of the guys that I
• 34:12
  think is the most overperforming out.
• 34:14
  Of I just I I literally like I wanted to pick a defenseman for
• 34:17
  this episode. So I go start by defenseman and
• 34:19
  then I start by points average over the past month.
• 34:21
  And I'm just like, and I look for the first name that pops out
• 34:23
  that I'm like with this guy doesn't belong this high up on
• 34:25
  this list, you know? And so and then I saw the power
• 34:27
  play points and just no brainer. But alright, Kevin, who do you
• 34:29
  got for? Us all right, well, we're trying
• 34:32
  to highlight all the positions here to give you guys optimal
• 34:34
  content and so I'm going to highlight bully and it might not
• 34:38
  be the goalie that you're expecting, but it is the goalie
• 34:41
  that you deserve. I'm talking about as my sell
• 34:46
  high candidate for Week 12, Thatcher Demko of the Vancouver
• 34:50
  Canucks. Who we kind of trashed on our
• 34:53
  one, I forget which episode. It was a recent episode.
• 34:56
  Yeah, and then he just and then he shot out the Rangers.
• 34:58
  So against against a lot of our listeners.
• 35:01
  I know people were pissed about that in the Discord.
• 35:03
  So yeah, alas, we're here talking about him as a Sahai.
• 35:06
  But this one may be tricky because he's only recently been
• 35:08
  back from injury. Like he's only played four games
• 35:10
  since he's been back from injury.
• 35:12
  He's won three out of four of them and you shot out the
• 35:14
  Rangers, so already you're like, OK, Like is he's been blamed,
• 35:17
  really. Well, everyone shuts out the
• 35:18
  Rangers. This.
• 35:18
  Year, I feel like everybody has to get one shot against the
• 35:21
  Rangers for the season. Yeah, but the other team that he
• 35:24
  played, like he played New Jersey, that's very bad right
• 35:26
  now. He played the Islanders and he
• 35:27
  played Buffalo. So I'm not saying that all of
• 35:30
  these teams are, you know, the worst teams in the league, but
• 35:33
  it's definitely not like the most intimidating competition.
• 35:35
  Let's say they did lose against Buffalo was first came back.
• 35:38
  But all that to say, over this stretch of four games he's at
• 35:42
  1.35 goals against average .93 needs safe percentage and if
• 35:48
  anything I'm just putting it out there.
• 35:49
  Sell them before he gets hurt again.
• 35:51
  It's like we never want to say we're baking in too much injury
• 35:55
  risk with a player. We talk about guys being
• 35:57
  squishy. You can never predict injuries.
• 35:58
  It can happen to anybody. But some guys feels like they
• 36:01
  have a higher likelihood too. We've already seen it with them
• 36:03
  code this year and in recent years.
• 36:05
  He's not the same guy that he was before.
• 36:07
  You're not that cool. If anything, just trade him
• 36:10
  before he gets hurt again. But besides that, looking at the
• 36:13
  numbers, he's still a cell high. And to me, I think that, you
• 36:17
  know, after this huge trade, it feels like Vancouver has no star
• 36:21
  talent left. It's like Elias Pettersson, and
• 36:23
  he's not even the same guy that he was as always, right?
• 36:26
  So this team is no headed in the wrong direction.
• 36:30
  They're trading for future assets or getting young guys.
• 36:32
  Like this is a team that's committed to not winning this
• 36:34
  year pretty much. And in this last stretch of four
• 36:37
  games, they're winning. And you're holding the goalie on
• 36:40
  a team that is not going to win many games, going to finish in
• 36:43
  the bottom of the table. And he always gets hurt.
• 36:46
  So just feels like a recipe for disaster.
• 36:48
  And you have a brief window right now, guys, a brief window.
• 36:51
  Thatcher Demko still has the name poll.
• 36:53
  It's like when he's doing well, people remember the best days of
• 36:56
  Thatcher Demko of life when he was a top three fantasy pick for
• 36:58
  goalies and you have money roster and he was killing it for
• 37:01
  you. Right now, I feel like he's this
• 37:03
  is the most positive sentiment people have had over him for the
• 37:06
  whole year, it feels like. And this is when you capitalize
• 37:09
  on it and try to trade him because the window is small.
• 37:12
  I think the window is small and as soon as it's shut, it's going
• 37:14
  to be shut. I'm gonna I don't wanna slam on
• 37:17
  my desk, but slam on the desk and it's shut.
• 37:21
  He's he's the type of goalie that I really don't want to own.
• 37:23
  He's like au Cyros where it's just like a guy that like, you
• 37:26
  know, users at least has health on his side.
• 37:28
  But I just want them off my roster and I'm not even aiming
• 37:32
  too high. Guys, I don't know if you can
• 37:33
  aim for the best guys in the league.
• 37:34
  Even with these numbers, the sample size is still too small.
• 37:37
  But you could get a dust style who just got lit up last night
• 37:41
  and had a abysmal safe percentage.
• 37:43
  You could probably flip Thatcher Demko for the style one for one,
• 37:46
  potentially a lot of leagues you could get Velka, who I know has
• 37:51
  had his own tumultuous season where people have asked if they
• 37:54
  could drop him. But I do think there's better
• 37:56
  days ahead for for Utah. And he's a very average goalie.
• 37:59
  I think ask her off too. I think ask her of he's he's
• 38:01
  just missed a couple games with illnesses and whatnot.
• 38:04
  And I think San Jose is a team that's going to be competing for
• 38:07
  the playoffs. I think they're in that mist
• 38:09
  right now. Celebrity is on fire.
• 38:12
  I think there's a lot of good with, you know, the San Jose
• 38:15
  situation asked of me, the main guy there, but he's not
• 38:18
  performing like he was early in the season where he was so high.
• 38:20
  He still kind of like just a slightly above average goalie.
• 38:23
  And I think if you can flip a guy that you know, might not
• 38:26
  even be healthy for a guy like ask her of, I think you'll be
• 38:29
  happy with that. So these kind of seems
• 38:30
  potentially like deeper league trade moves because they're not
• 38:35
  the the highest level of goals. Like I'm not saying trade for
• 38:38
  baseless or whatnot, but I still think this improves your
• 38:40
  situation. I absolutely love and agree with
• 38:44
  everything you said here. Um, I think that you guys have
• 38:47
  to remember with Vancouver, they traded away Quinn Hughes, right?
• 38:50
  They're not done selling key for Sherwood is as good as gone.
• 38:53
  He just got a hat trick last night.
• 38:54
  That hat trick every month is going to be gone from the team.
• 38:57
  I wouldn't be surprised if you know, Evander Kane could
• 39:00
  probably be gone. I'm not that's the, you know,
• 39:02
  biggest loss, but like, like anyone of value on that team is
• 39:07
  up for grabs essentially. And they're going to be doing a
• 39:10
  fire sale like like the Quinn Hughes trade is like the green
• 39:13
  light. We are tanking, We're rebuilding
• 39:15
  that. That is the biggest indicator
• 39:18
  ever that this is what's going to happen.
• 39:19
  So this is going to be a team that should finish bottom five
• 39:21
  in the league. Demco probably I don't know, I
• 39:25
  don't know how often on with health he's gonna be, but he's
• 39:28
  not going to be healthy for the rest of the season.
• 39:29
  I'm willing to bet my house on it.
• 39:30
  I'm about to close on the new house.
• 39:32
  I'm very excited. My first my first ever house.
• 39:33
  I'm going to I would put it on Zillow to to say that Thatcher
• 39:37
  Demko will not play the rest of the season healthy.
• 39:40
  OK, so he's a guy that I don't want on my roster at all.
• 39:42
  So I know that yes, like Kevin's targets don't seem like the
• 39:45
  biggest, you know, stars in the game.
• 39:47
  But we like I mean, we got a comment on one of our YouTube
• 39:51
  videos that actually like I really loved and I'm glad that
• 39:54
  people feel this way. But they were saying how we
• 39:56
  don't put unrealistic targets that like, obviously it's a win
• 39:59
  for you, but it's a fleece and it'll just never happen.
• 40:00
  We put guys that you can actually get that are still
• 40:02
  going to be wins for you. So I like all of these.
• 40:05
  And honestly, like with how Demko has been and how those
• 40:07
  guys have been, you can maybe throw in a little plus for you
• 40:09
  on the return, you know, make it a 2 for two.
• 40:11
  And look, it has to be a small plus, but like you can get like
• 40:14
  a little upgrade as well. So I think I love these very
• 40:16
  much. I wanted to, I really wanted to
• 40:19
  try to find the line of like who are like the best goals you can
• 40:21
  target right now that you would rather over them because
• 40:23
  honestly, there's a lot of goals I'd rather over.
• 40:25
  Demco doesn't change the fact that he does have quality in him
• 40:29
  to have games where he'll shut out the range for sure.
• 40:31
  Yeah. But those are just so small
• 40:33
  compared to like the big sample size of like the situation in
• 40:36
  Vancouver and also like his own health.
• 40:39
  Here's 1. I don't know if you'll agree
• 40:40
  with this, but he's on my team. I would take Dan Valdaro over
• 40:43
  them. Go rest of season and I think
• 40:44
  you can get like you can. Higher than floor, I feel like
• 40:48
  the type of guy on waivers in most leagues.
• 40:51
  Well that's what I'm saying. I'm saying that like perceived
• 40:53
  value welder is so much lower than tempo that if you make that
• 40:56
  A2 for two, you can get a decent upgrade on the other part of the
• 40:59
  trade. And I'm still happier with the
• 41:00
  goal you ended up with. I really wanted to put all
• 41:02
  markers at Target, but he recently got a shout out.
• 41:05
  So I feel like that, just like the gates negates the
• 41:07
  opportunity to buy Hallmark. But if that's still possible in
• 41:09
  your lead because Demco also got a shout out, so maybe negates it
• 41:12
  and the conversation is actually possible.
• 41:14
  I would much rather have all Mark.
• 41:16
  I think Bob 2, same situation like we've been talking about,
• 41:19
  Bob's been good. He just got a shout out as well
• 41:21
  with like a 14 safe shot or something.
• 41:23
  So it's like so small, but if you can make that because maybe
• 41:26
  he's been less good over the last month, then maybe that's
• 41:29
  still possible. Where do we draw the line
• 41:31
  though? Do you think temper is
• 41:32
  achievable because Kemper is hurt right now so.
• 41:34
  He's been too good all year. I know as the camper owner I
• 41:38
  wouldn't even like even if they told me it was out for like a
• 41:40
  month like I mean. You can get a 2 for two when
• 41:43
  you're giving another kind of lateral.
• 41:44
  Move. Look, you can't hurt to try, but
• 41:46
  I know as a camper owner I'm very happy with him.
• 41:48
  Obviously the injury sucks, like he's letting in like two goals a
• 41:51
  game, Max every game, so I just don't think it's achievable.
• 41:54
  Would you rather Dustin Wolf or or, you know, Spencer Night?
• 41:58
  Because what was the time in similar situation where he's a
• 42:00
  yeah Rick goalies on a bad team, but Calgary's winning more games
• 42:03
  in Vancouver. Look I take night over Demko for
• 42:07
  sure. Not that I think Chicago is that
• 42:09
  good of a team or anything, I see them as similar tier but
• 42:12
  Chicago actually had a few slightly better than Vancouver
• 42:14
  rest of season outlook and nights been good and he doesn't
• 42:17
  have the injury issues. So night I feel comfortable
• 42:18
  taking over Demko and Wolf. I mean, I think Calgary is like
• 42:22
  could be worse than Vancouver. They're also gonna sell like
• 42:26
  Kadri's gone like as Anderson's gone like so I mean the same.
• 42:29
  But again, you can use the health as like the scale of the
• 42:31
  tip. They're both skilled goalie.
• 42:33
  So I'll take Wolf over them. Go like really.
• 42:35
  Like I say, there's two categories of cell highs that we
• 42:37
  talk about. There's a category like the Eric
• 42:38
  Carlson where you're still gonna be happy having him on your team
• 42:41
  all year, but you can tear up so take advantage.
• 42:44
  And then there's a category of like when we mentioned like John
• 42:47
  Carlson or like we talked about Malcolm at the start of the
• 42:49
  year, we talked about, you know, some of these guys are so Demco
• 42:51
  is in that category. Like I want the Carver Hagee,
• 42:54
  like I want this guy off my team, you know?
• 42:55
  So, so that's why like, we're willing to aim, you know, if you
• 42:59
  get someone back that you're happy to hold all season, even
• 43:01
  if it's not the flashiest name, I'm viewing that as a win.
• 43:03
  Can I tempt you with joy Decord? I would take to court over
• 43:09
  Demko. So that's feasible right now
• 43:10
  without the courts, then you're not worried about the splitting
• 43:13
  starts the whole rest of the year.
• 43:14
  No, I mean, it sucks right now, but like his competition is
• 43:17
  Phillip Grubauer and Matt Murray like that.
• 43:21
  Like I as the Decor owner, it really sucks right now.
• 43:24
  But honestly, if it takes, if it takes them splitting starts for
• 43:27
  him to increase his quality and then get his game back and then
• 43:30
  they start bringing it back to him, then then yeah, I know.
• 43:32
  I'm not too worried about. It last name Jacob Markstrom.
• 43:35
  That's a great one. I'm still going Markstrom.
• 43:37
  Really. Look, it's not like.
• 43:38
  He doesn't like mushroom right now and like, listen, we
• 43:40
  understand it's been bad. Absolutely.
• 43:42
  I mean, there's a reason that I. Say is going to be better.
• 43:44
  Yeah, I didn't put him as a buy low because I'm not like iron.
• 43:47
  Like I know for a fact he's gonna be sick this year.
• 43:50
  Like I like being certain about these before I put them down.
• 43:53
  But he can't get worse. New Jersey has brighter days
• 43:55
  ahead. And and yeah, I would take him
• 43:57
  over Dumbo. Easy.
• 43:58
  My favorite target I think is the style.
• 43:59
  So I think he's one of the most most achievable, especially
• 44:02
  after he just got lit up. Guys like he literally just got
• 44:05
  lit up. I love training.
• 44:06
  All the reviews are lit. Up yeah, that's the best that's
• 44:09
  actually the best because like you know the the play like he
• 44:11
  probably in a lot of these the guy got him like negative points
• 44:13
  or whatever like that and then, you know, sitting there like why
• 44:15
  is this guy in my roster if he's gonna be negative points?
• 44:18
  Make it a 2. I think that's the perfect one
• 44:19
  to make it a 2 for two where you're getting an upgraded for
• 44:21
  the skater and you're like alright, listen, I'll help you.
• 44:23
  I'll take the dust off your hands.
• 44:24
  You take Demco so. Absolutely.
• 44:26
  That's great. Alright, Kevin, take us to the
• 44:28
  bonus choice to round us out. So the bonus, the third cell
• 44:32
  hide this week for week 12 of the fantasy season is a guy that
• 44:35
  I feel that we highlighted earlier on in the season, you
• 44:38
  know, maybe the first three weeks, but it's a guy that I
• 44:40
  love. I picked him up in his rookie
• 44:42
  year and I rode that wave. But we're talking about Matt
• 44:46
  Boldy of the Minnesota Wild. Now listen, don't get me wrong,
• 44:50
  Matt Boldy is excellent fantasy hockey player and real life.
• 44:54
  Player of the two categories of selfies, yes.
• 44:58
  So listen, I'm not saying get him off your roster, I'm saying
• 45:02
  you have an opportunity to tear up.
• 45:04
  Once again. He's the type of player that I
• 45:07
  think is a perfect entry point into like that superstar elite
• 45:10
  stratosphere of fantasy talent that we talk about all the first
• 45:12
  round picks, the second round picks that are some there like
• 45:15
  some there that was not in English, but you know what I
• 45:17
  mean. But he's the perfect guy that
• 45:20
  like, I feel like he was drafted around 3/4 of most leagues and
• 45:22
  you can tear up to like the threshold of the tier break of
• 45:25
  like the round one round two guys because he's been nothing
• 45:29
  short of elite for your fantasy team.
• 45:31
  Right now, he's still hovering over 3.2 shots a game, which is
• 45:35
  elite in itself. And I expect that to be
• 45:36
  consistent rest of season. Like he's always a shooter.
• 45:39
  He will be a shooter, but over the last two weeks he's at 1.71
• 45:43
  points per game, almost 2 points per game and over the month is
• 45:47
  at 1.33. Now listen, last series at 0.9
• 45:50
  points per game. So I expect him this year to be
• 45:52
  better than last year. The situation is better.
• 45:54
  He's leveling up as a player. I can expect like a point per
• 45:57
  game or 1.1. That's still a far cry far from
• 46:00
  1.7 that he's doing right now for the last two weeks and even
• 46:02
  1.3. But I think you can really get a
• 46:08
  first round talent type of Blair because he has a name pull.
• 46:11
  He has a sample size of being excellent, and when people open
• 46:14
  the game log and they see what he's been doing, it's elite
• 46:16
  right now. So I think it's a perfect
• 46:18
  opportunity to sell. And I also think like, you know,
• 46:21
  Minnesota has a subpar playoff schedule, so as an extra bonus,
• 46:25
  you might be upgrading there. And I think that's always a win.
• 46:28
  And if you're doing like a 2 for two trade or targeting one of
• 46:33
  those elite guys, I think Matt Boldy, even if you have to like
• 46:36
  a 2 for one, I think Matt Body does most of the heavy lifting
• 46:38
  in that trade because it's like, OK, Bally's doing way better
• 46:41
  than the guy I'm offering, but I know he's like doing a little
• 46:44
  bit more. So how about I throw in a
• 46:46
  sweetener like a Rhino Riley or something and get that deal done
• 46:48
  type of thing. You know, I mean, I think right
• 46:50
  now you can talk like a Jack Eichel who is currently really
• 46:53
  sick. Like it's not an injury, he's
• 46:55
  just really sick and he's missing games.
• 46:57
  I think you can target Jack Hughes, who you know, is might
• 47:00
  not be available right after we publish this episode, but when
• 47:05
  he comes back, you're gonna you're gonna be laughing if you
• 47:07
  have Jacks on your and you can afford to lose Matt Boldy.
• 47:09
  Yeah, I think Matthew could. Chuck, listen, this is a brief
• 47:12
  window. So as you're listening to this
• 47:13
  and you have Matt Boley, try to go make this happen ASAP because
• 47:16
  Mantica check is going to be back late December.
• 47:18
  We're posting this on December 22nd.
• 47:21
  So you'll have maybe a week of, you know, a chance to do this
• 47:26
  boldly for Kashuk. And I think Austin Matthews I
• 47:28
  think is still attainable and you're not getting the playoff
• 47:30
  upgrade there with Austin Matthews.
• 47:32
  But I think you're getting more shots and you're getting just a
• 47:35
  more elite, well-rounded player that in bangers league as well.
• 47:38
  He's gonna get you a lot of blocks.
• 47:39
  So I think all of these guys are teared up and listen, I'm not
• 47:42
  talking about scrubs here. I'm talking about some of the
• 47:44
  best players in the whole league that are great for fantasy.
• 47:46
  So I love it like this. I love everything you're saying.
• 47:50
  This reminds me a lot of our Jason Robertson recommendation
• 47:53
  from 2 weeks ago. Exactly.
• 47:54
  It was like almost the exact same points per game.
• 47:55
  And look how that turned out so far, right?
• 47:57
  Like this is, this is not a guy you're desperate to get off your
• 48:00
  team, but this is a guy who's just performing so incredibly
• 48:02
  well that you have the chance to tear up.
• 48:03
  I love all the targets. I love these like Michael Hughes
• 48:07
  type of guy, you know, guys who are like right around the corner
• 48:09
  of injury but have been injured for a bit while.
• 48:11
  Not huge, but I mean, not like, but the other two and like, so
• 48:13
  like people like he's been out for so long.
• 48:15
  What has he done for me? You know, and even though right
• 48:17
  around the corner, you can still bank on that that perceived
• 48:20
  lower value. So I love that Matthews is still
• 48:22
  a huge buy low in terms of the playoff schedule.
• 48:24
  It may be the same number of games, but Toronto has three off
• 48:26
  nights, which are really important, like with how the
• 48:28
  schedule shakes out there. So it's still a win a playoff
• 48:31
  schedule. So yeah, no, I love all these
• 48:33
  targets. I wanted to add Nielander as a
• 48:34
  target as well. I wanted to know how you felt
• 48:36
  about that because you're not getting the upgrade and I think
• 48:38
  you can aim higher than Elander. So I wanna aim higher than the
• 48:41
  lender. But let's say these guys are not
• 48:42
  available in your league, are not possible.
• 48:44
  Like would you do that Yolanda for body?
• 48:47
  Honestly, I like like when we were recommending Robertson like
• 48:50
  2 weeks ago and we're recommending body now.
• 48:52
  Like I need a top top top tier, pretty much no questions asked
• 48:57
  or questions asked, but they're like a top five pick like
• 48:59
  Matthews in return. So I'm actually not doing that
• 49:01
  for Nylander, not because I don't believe in him as a bylaw,
• 49:04
  but look, Nielander, let's say he tops out at like 1.2 points
• 49:10
  per game, three shots, something like that.
• 49:12
  Body I can easily see being 1.2 points per game and the power
• 49:16
  better, better power play. So, so yeah, no, I wouldn't do a
• 49:19
  body Freelander, but I like all the targets you put.
• 49:22
  Nice. All right, so that wraps up our
• 49:26
  Vilosell High, another absolute banger of an episode for Bangor
• 49:30
  management, if I do say so ourselves.
• 49:32
  This is just a great weekly episode.
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  I think it's so valuable to people that that I love it.
• 49:38
  I love it so much. It's my favorite thing to
• 49:39
  record, like I always say, and I think it's one of the ones that
• 49:42
  probably gives the most value for people too, like.
• 49:44
  Yeah, I mean, literally, we record this and I immediately go
• 49:48
  on fantasy and started sending out offers based on who we
• 49:50
  talked. About I go straight to the disco
• 49:51
  and I'm just like, after the episode goes live on Monday,
• 49:55
  people listen to the episode. They come into this one just
• 49:58
  like, I heard your episode. I have this guy on my roster.
• 50:00
  I wanna make a trade. Like, who do you think I can
• 50:02
  target, like on this guy's team or whatever?
• 50:04
  Yeah, I love that. Listen.
• 50:05
  We make it happen. Yeah, exactly.
• 50:07
  We're listing a lot of targets here so we can do a lot of the
• 50:09
  heavy lifting. But sometimes, you know, you
• 50:10
  just want to target different guys that are part of a bigger
• 50:13
  trade and you want to share the guys are lower on the standings
• 50:16
  in your roster because you have more leverage there and it's
• 50:18
  just logical. It makes sense.
• 50:20
  So yeah, a lot of good trades to be done and I think I'm looking
• 50:23
  forward to the two week update in two weeks from now.
• 50:26
  Been looking back at these guys and seeing how they changed.
• 50:29
  I can guarantee my body is not gonna be 1.7 points per game at
• 50:32
  that point. So yeah, well, we might be
• 50:34
  looking back at being like I told you so again, so hopefully
• 50:36
  we're able to say that, but in a friendly way.
• 50:38
  Yeah. All right, so if you guys really
• 50:41
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• 50:43
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• 50:45
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• 50:53
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  It's actually fun. People are dropping their trade
• 51:20
  questions and what not, been getting some positive feedback,
• 51:22
  so that's also fun. Yeah.
• 51:24
  But yeah, on that note, taking away Renee.
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  Babita Bound Bow banger management fantasy hockey
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  podcast. Whoa.
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  Wow. Wow.
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  I can't believe you got me again.
• 51:37
  You sound exactly like Jakey. I know there's always mention
• 51:41
  him so that people don't forget. To remember?
• 51:42
  Yeah, exactly. Remember, he's just outgoing to
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  get like, milk and cigarettes. He'll be back, you know as.