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  Randall Kaplan: Get ejaculation studies and orgasm studies and the conclusion of which that a man should have one orgasm a week, that women should have as many as possible. So
• 0:10
  Dave Asprey: well, not quite.
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  Dave Asprey: Let me tell you the numbers.
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  Dave Asprey: This is from ancient Taoist teachings. It's your age in years minus seven, divide by four. Okay, so you would ejaculate once every 12 days or less, if you want to maintain your life force or less. So ejaculating too often is bad, but why? When you ejaculate, your testosterone drops for about 48 hours, and your prolactin levels go up.
• 0:33
  Dave Asprey: Testosterone drives dopamine, which drives happiness and drives motivation, and prolactin makes you tired and lethargic.
• 0:39
  Dave Asprey: For women, orgasms do not diminish them. There isn't a negative hormonal response. It's a positive hormone response. So if you're in a relationship and you ejaculate less, you're gonna have more sex. Your partner is gonna be happier. You're gonna be happy. Your oxytocin levels go up for everyone. Everybody wins in that. You just have to get over the idea that you'll die if you don't ejaculate.
• 1:02
  Randall Kaplan: You You're listening to my awesome interview with Dave Asprey, the founder of the biohacking movement. If you haven't listened to part one yet, be sure to check that one out first. Now, without further ado, here's part two of my awesome interview with Dave. So let's move into biohacking. You're the world's foremost bio hacker, or consider such. Let's Yeah. Let's talk about bulletproof coffee you had thought about. You had had tea in the on your journey at some point, with butter in it. Tell us about kind of how that transformed seven or eight years later, you had the blog, then you had the company, then you're the coffee shop. What's the Sure? What's the transition there? And feel free again to to get into some of the science before we get into some of the details of the steps and the importance and ingredients of eye hockey. When
• 1:59
  Dave Asprey: I was on that holy mountain in Tibet, I was having all kinds of thoughts. I'd run a longevity nonprofit group near Stanford for six or seven years.
• 2:07
  Dave Asprey: I learned the techniques of anti aging from my elders and people in their 70s with more energy than me, and I could never get anyone under 60 to come to a meeting every month we'd have like, the world's top experts in person for five bucks, and we're two minutes from Google's headquarters, and they wouldn't come so, like, we need a rebranding. And I put this what's the word that's going to make longevity interesting for someone who's 19, and it's biohacking, and I spent six weeks coming up with this definition. It's the art and science of changing the environment around you and inside of you so you have full control of your biology. And that means that if you want to be the world's fastest person, control of your biology. You want to be calm and not feel stressed, control of your biology, right? You want to have enough energy at the end of the day to be a parent after your commute and your job, control of your biology. So this is a uniting element to bring neuroscientists and navy seals and meditators and all the people working on being better human beings into a room with a common goal and different tool sets.
• 3:08
  Randall Kaplan: Marketing is critical to explain what you're doing in one simple sentence that many entrepreneurs cannot do.
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  Dave Asprey: It's really hard to do. I have a unique advantage in that in the days of Exodus, I realized if I was going to be a good tech evangelist, I needed to learn how to public speak. So I started running the web and Internet Engineering program for UC Santa Cruz extension. So for five years, I taught classes three nights a night, on really cutting edge tech topics, where I had an hour to absorb the topics and make a class that would last two hours in it, and I learned how to break information down. I became really good at absorbing, transforming and teaching, and this was really hard. My students were all master's degree engineers, and I'm teaching how to do horizontal scaling, how CD and networks, like, how can I work, and just how to think about systems, and that five years of just hard work gave me the skills in order to be able to explain things that are complex. And the reality is, your body responds to the world around you in 1000s of invisible ways, but you can change the world around you almost effortlessly, and when you do that, how you feel and how you show up, how you look, it all changes. And it's funny.
• 4:26
  Dave Asprey: If you talk about longevity, as someone who's young, living a long time is a great idea, but it's not number one on your list. It's, how do I be more attractive? How do I build my career? How to make my mark in the world? Right? You're interested in sex and power when you're young, money, money too, which is an aspect of power and sex, right? So this is what we focus on, and you focus on building your community and your tribe. Those are going to be more important than health unless you're really sick, and they're more important than longevity. So old people care about longevity, right? And young people don't care about health unless they're sick. So I stopped talking about this, and I talked about control over your biology, the ability to show up.
• 4:58
  Dave Asprey: The world the way you want to have more energy. And one of the things is I tried every diet.
• 5:05
  Dave Asprey: I'd been a vegan, I'd been a raw vegan, and it made me really sick. And I came back from Tibet, I'd quit coffee for five years because I would always get jittery from it and, like, feel this weird pressing in my chest and a headache. Well, I had a cup of coffee and I was like, oh my god, I love coffee. This is my life. I'm cured. I'm not allergic anymore. Next, I had another cup of coffee and I felt it. Wait a minute. It's not that I'm sensitive to coffee, it's that different. Coffee is different. And I did this deep dive into coffee and biology and agricultural science, and realized the problem we had with mold and coffee. And when I could get a mold free coffee, I felt great. And I remember, I was in in Denver giving a keynote, I think, at RSA or some big tech conference, and I drove across town to get the most likely mold free coffee because I was just dying of jet lag or something, and I got moldy coffee. I don't even remember what I said, like, you know, my brain was cooked, and I said, I'm gonna have to make my own.
• 6:03
  Dave Asprey: So I did a little blog post. I was already blog about bio hacking. I said, Anyone else want to try this lab tested coffee? I thought maybe the market size is zero, and I thought maybe a few people would try it, and it was a, just a runaway success, because people like coffee. That doesn't make them crash,
• 6:18
  Randall Kaplan: right? But we gotta go back for a second, because when I was doing the research, I'd never heard of mold and coffee before. I think of black mold is bad for you.
• 6:27
  Randall Kaplan: It's in the walls. You have a flood. Mold is in coffee. Turns
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  Dave Asprey: out, it's such a problem that most governments around the world have legal limits for the amount of mold toxin present in coffee, and the limit is 10 parts per million.
• 6:42
  Randall Kaplan: What's mold?
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  Randall Kaplan: Exactly? Mold?
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  Dave Asprey: So think about penicillin. Tiny little pill has huge effects on biology.
• 6:47
  Dave Asprey: Penicillin is a mold toxin. Mold makes penicillin, but it there's no mold in the penicillin. It's like a byproduct, or it's what the mold produces when you ferment coffee to get rid of the coffee cherry, a toxin called OTA or ochratoxin, a forms
• 7:04
  Randall Kaplan: that's the beans are going into. So where are we in the coffee process? Well,
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  Dave Asprey: in the coffee process, when the coffee plant is stressed, bugs come in. Bugs are the vector for toxic mold spores. They penetrate the coffee fruit. Then the coffee fruit sits in a truck, and it spoils a little bit, and then it sits for two days in river. In river water or for two weeks on a tarp. And during that time, the mold grows, and the toxin is infused in the bean. They wash away the fruit, they dry it in the sun, then they ship it off, and they roast it right? But it's the formation of the toxin.
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  Dave Asprey: So Europe and Japan and China and most of South America have a legal limit for this. And I have a former president of the Specialty Coffee Association on camera with me at my plantation in Guatemala, saying, Oh, I was in Japan when they rejected 1000 shipping containers full of coffee because the mold levels were too high. And I said, What'd you do with it? He said, we shipped it to the US because it's legal there. There was no limit in the US for this, and people in the coffee industry got so outraged. We solved this problem years ago, like guys, that's not my lab test show that's not what I feel when I drink the coffee. And I have people from your industry and from my industry saying that it's not true, and I have 36 scientific references showing that this toxin is present in most beans, that it survives roasting and it survives brewing, and it's a direct mitochondrial toxin. It triggers cancer in the bladder and in the kidneys. And the easiest way people can know if there's mold in your coffee, you drink coffee and you have to pee a little well later, and your bladder is not full. It's a bladder toxin.
• 8:33
  Dave Asprey: Your body's not dumb. It says, get it out. Get it out. So if you drink coffee and you don't have to pee, and then you pee when your bladder is full, you didn't have mold in your coffee and there's isn't that simple.
• 8:43
  Dave Asprey: It is that simple. So the problem is, a lot of people drink coffee. They're sensitive to it like I drink it. I get indigestion, I get jitters, I get a crash. I need sugar in my coffee. And then they drink bulletproof coffee beans. By the way, I'm not with Bulletproof anymore. They fired me three or four years ago. I don't know what testing they do or don't do, like I have no connection with boulder so say, but when they drink mold free coffee, new coffee companies, danger coffee, they don't get any of those symptoms, and they feel really good. And then let's talk about butter and coffee. But the molding is a real problem, and governments, for some foods have levels that are allowed. There's allowable level in corn, allowable level in wheat, allowable level in chocolate, just in the US. We don't protect our people from it. So the world's worst coffee comes to the US and we feel jittery and we drink it. What's
• 9:31
  Randall Kaplan: the scientific metric? Is it point oh, six of x or
• 9:36
  Dave Asprey: 10 parts per million of okra toxin A in the coffee bean, that's a legal limit in most countries, okay?
• 9:44
  Dave Asprey: And it turns out beer and wine has a lot of it as well.
• 9:46
  Randall Kaplan: And so what?
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  Randall Kaplan: What's normal for non bulletproof or non coffee?
• 9:49
  Randall Kaplan: What's normal? It's
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  Dave Asprey: all over the map.
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  Randall Kaplan: Is it a double?
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  Randall Kaplan: Is
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  Dave Asprey: it a triple in the US? Why would you test it?
• 9:56
  Dave Asprey: There's no requirement, and if you know about it, then you can just. Sued later. So they literally are not going to test for mold in coffee, in the US, because there's no reason to do it. It only creates liability me. I test every lot, right? And I do it on purpose. I want to drink it.
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  Randall Kaplan: Okay? So we you started bulletproof coffee. Tell us about the butter in that and tell us about the difference in the minerals in danger coffee, and what the differences so
• 10:21
  Dave Asprey: bulletproof was an interesting company, because the market size for functional coffee was zero. I created the industry category, and it grew very substantially. I also made collagen into a billion dollar industry. As the first company, I really focused on collagen, and then MCT oil also became a billion dollar industry. I was the first guy to bring that out as a cognitive enhancer. So what is that for people? MCT. MCT oil is an extract of coconut oil that creates ketones, like a keto diet, and it makes people lose weight, and it really enhances mental function. And what I did, I've learned about that because of my work in the longevity field. The group I worked with at Silicon Valley Health Institute, we were talking about using coconut oil in order to help your body have a better metabolism because of the ketones present in it, because of MCT. So I found a way to extract just 5% of the coconut oil that had these special metabolic effects and the pro cognitive effects, and it's the flavorless oil, and there's millions of people that put that in there, some of these in our coffee to this day. That was my
• 11:22
  Randall Kaplan: idea. Okay? So talk about the minerals and danger coffee and how it differs from bulletproof coffee. Okay, well, um, let's, let's back up for a second. Um, Trinity ventures invested $6 million in your series, a your first round of bulletproof coffee. Yep, you ended up raising another 30 something million dollars equity and debt under it. Yeah, 90 million, $90 million so venture capital firms and Trinity advanced that in Starbucks was leading, and still is a leading.
• 11:59
  Randall Kaplan: CPG, VC firm said, I'm going to invest in lead $100 million of funding in a coffee company.
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  Randall Kaplan: What? What happened there? Well, how is that possible?
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  Dave Asprey: Trinity ventures was a lead investor in speed arrow, so they knew me from speed arrow, and I said, I want to be an entrepreneur in residence. I said, Come on in so I had an office and tell people what that is, entrepreneur in residence, adventure firms is a great gig. They basically say, we're going to give you a business card that says you work for the firm, and you're going to spend six months or so finding a new company you want to work with, and we'll probably back the company, because we know you and we trust you and we like you. This is an honor to be an EIR for Trinity. It
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  Randall Kaplan: will give you a full salary, $250,000 I think it's usually
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  Dave Asprey: about a half salary, right? So I was making, like 100 years, right? Today, I
• 12:53
  Randall Kaplan: think the going rates, yeah, 250 to 300 probably, yeah.
• 12:55
  Dave Asprey: This was back in the day, right? Yeah. Thanks, bud. This whole inflation thing drives me insane. So what? What I did that, and I actually became CTO and co founder of the first company to get heart rate from the wrist, called basis.
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  Dave Asprey: And meanwhile, though I'm at Trinity, and I doing putting coffee in my butter, and one of the partners, dannick, who's just a great human being, and was a fantastic board member at bulletproof, he just sounded goes, What the hell are you doing? I see you putting butter in your coffee in the break room. That's insane. And I explained why, and he tried it, and he kept doing it, and just why I really like how I feel on this. And then it turns out it didn't work. When I was at basis, I was there for a little while, and I called up Dan, I said, Look, you guys are never going to invest in bulletproof, because I'm in five different industry categories. I have a coffee shop with this. I've got beans and, like, it's not a typical venture investment. And I know, because I sit in your partner meetings enough, but you should give me, like, 100 grand personally, because I need inventory dollars for coffee.
• 14:00
  Dave Asprey: Because let me take a look at your numbers, and they come back and said, Here's a million dollars. This is a venture capital man. If I send a deal with the devil, you know, if you take venture capital money, you're gonna have to sell the company, and you might lose control. So I did as much as I could to not lose control.
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  Dave Asprey: Didn't succeed, obviously, since I got fired years later. But when we announced the funding, Dan wrote an email, or not email post on Medium, and he said, 60 days after I met Dave, and I started drinking bulletproof coffee, I sat down in my BMW at the end of the day, and I started crying. Now, number one, venture capitalists Don't cry, but he did, and what I didn't know this about Dan. And he said, The reason is that I've never told anyone. I've suffered from crippling fatigue and brain fog every day of my adult life, and I never told anyone, and I could barely make it through my meetings every day, and this was the first day in my adult life that I went through the day without having one energy crash, and I was just. Profoundly grateful that I could feel this good. And I'm like, wow, like, like, this is true believers, right? And Dan was such a powerful board member, and he talked me off the ledge lots of times when I'd get pissed off about something, or just, you know, give me good advice, because there's a lot I didn't know. And so eternity invested, because they knew me and because they felt different when they tried it. And this is a wacky idea, butter and coffee. What the hell. But the reason I was putting butter in the coffee is because in Tibet at about 18,000 feet elevation, a little to four foot tall, Tibetan woman gave me yak butter tea, and I was feeling like crap. I mean, it's high altitude. I had chronic fatigue syndrome, and I drank this yak butter coffee, which is just yak butter, not yak butter tea, just yak butter blended into tea. I drank it. I felt really good, like tingly, like swimming, woke up inside me.
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  Dave Asprey: What is going on with this? And I went back to Silicon Valley, bought some tea, bought some butter, blended it up, tastes like crap. Didn't work, so it must be the tea. So I spent$1,000 in all the different teas to try them. Nothing works. So then I buy 25 kinds of butter, two kinds of butter worked grass fed butter. It doesn't work with industrial butter. And said, Okay, what if I try coffee? What if I get this mold free coffee?
• 16:09
  Dave Asprey: And what if I had the MCT oil from the longevity place? And I ended up over, you know, hundreds of tests with coconut milk and all these different things, making something that tasted good and just was rocket fuel for my brain. I give to all my friends. I'm like, oh my god, what is going on? I really noticed this. And my first blog post was, let me introduce you to biohacking. And second one was, let me introduce you to the recipe for bulletproof coffee.
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  Dave Asprey: You need mold free beans. You need MCT oil. You need some grass fed butter. Now I didn't make mold free beans yet. The MCT oil you could buy wasn't very pure, and it would make you get disaster pants. And so I ended up just fixing those problems and just making products that my followers wanted and that I wanted, and that was off to the races.
• 16:53
  Randall Kaplan: So, so what are the five big bio hacks? Well,
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  Dave Asprey: the biggest one is, the hardest one to explain, is forgiveness. And forgiveness is not about telling someone you forgive them. It's about stopping yourself from being triggered by having negative thoughts about someone else, so someone's wrong to you in business or in a relationship or something like that. And just keep playing it back over and over. There is an absolute process you can measure neuroscience to truly forgive something, so it no longer costs you anything. If you do that, it creates the most energy, the most freedom, the most happiness, and your body will change. Your mind will change, and your life will change. It's just the hardest thing to explain,
• 17:30
  Randall Kaplan: that's years of therapy, by the way.
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  Dave Asprey: No you can. You can do it in about five days. In fact, you can do a lot of it in five days, and you can do it usually in one hour with a therapist, if using the right techniques. Not all therapy is the same. Most people think forgiveness is a thought. Has nothing to thinking. Forgiveness happens all in the chest, and you can measure it in changes in brain waves. It's a felt state, not a thought. Most people say I've forgiven them. They haven't, and I can measure that they haven't. So that's a big one. And the second one is some sort of high intensity movement, and it's very short duration. If you want to transform the body, you need to send it a signal that has to do something hard, and then it needs to also know that it has enough nourishment and enough safety that it's worth investing in becoming stronger. That's why over training is so bad for you. The next one is cold showers, right?
• 18:20
  Dave Asprey: Some sort of cold exposure. And there's two reasons for cold exposure. One is it helps your metabolism, but more importantly, doing something that hurts for one minute a day, intentionally and consciously, makes your dopamine sensors change so that throughout the day, you experience joy and motivation with a lot less effort. And in my new book, I call this bicep brief, intentional, conscious exposure to pain. And humans have been doing this for 1000s of years, and cold therapy is just an easy way to do it, and that one little bit of effort means the rest of your day is better. The next, the next one that is so profound is neurofeedback.
• 18:56
  Dave Asprey: Throughout history, you want to learn enlightenment. Go sit in a cave for 20 years with a guru, and if you meditate just right, and they notice, and they raise their eyebrow, and then you notice that, then you got feedback. If people come to my clinic, they do Neurofeedback 1000 times a second. The computer is guiding you, so your brain knows what to do to reach the state that you're seeking, and it's just so much faster. So neurofeedback, and if you don't want your feedback, breath work is free. It'll also help you get there. So there's all these different techniques that work better than just meditation. And I'll just say, hurry up.
• 19:28
  Dave Asprey: Meditate faster, because you don't have life to live, but you still want the benefits of meditation, you can do it faster.
• 19:35
  Randall Kaplan: So there's a woman in France named Jean Louis Calment who lived to 122 years old. She's the oldest living person ever. And in your book, you said that we can all live to 180 years old, at least, at least 100 and I think when people read that, or hear you say it, they think, Dave Asprey, it's crazy. Why are we crazy?
• 19:54
  Randall Kaplan: Why are you crazy when you say that, if. That
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  Dave Asprey: woman in France had told people she was gonna live to 120 when she was 30, they would have said she was crazy, and she did it. And here's my deal, our current best is 120 years about I just want to do 50% better than our current best and have 100 years and AI to do it. And given that I've been in the longevity field for 25 years, and I know the billions of dollars being spent, I talked to the leading longevity scientists. We are reversing aging. I just reset my central aging clock in my brain by 20 years. I've had gene therapy that takes nine years off my measured age. And there is no reason that humans can't extend our life by 50% given what we already have in the bag and the things that are coming in just the next five years. I'm not alone in saying that. Ray Kurzweil has been saying it forever. He says that we'll reach aging escape velocity in the next couple years. In fact, most of the leading futures will agree with that. Now bottom line is 180s conservative
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  Randall Kaplan: that's just hard to process. I mean, I some people I know get older, my grandma lived till she was 104 and her she was there cognitively till 101 and then she was still there a little bit each year. But dementia happens as you get older and older. So how are we going to train the brain to not have these scientific occurrences that have been occurring for the beginning time. They
• 22:17
  Dave Asprey: don't occur for everyone. They occur for some people, and we know why they occur. In fact, I wrote a whole book about this with 1000 references. It's called headstrong, and Alzheimer's is optional at this point for most of the causes of it. Dr Dale Bredesen has been on my show, who wrote a book called The End of Alzheimer's, and he talks about the causes. You can prevent those things, even simple things like micro dose pharmaceutical nicotine. People who smoke never get Alzheimer's.
• 22:41
  Dave Asprey: They just get cancer. Smoking is bad for you, but if you take just nicotine in tiny doses, since 1986 in at least 10 studies, reverses or prevents Alzheimer's disease.
• 22:53
  Randall Kaplan: It's all talking about Zen, and they like Zen, yeah, yeah.
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  Dave Asprey: So there's a reason you might want to do one to five milligrams of nicotine a day over age 40, especially because it mimics exercise in the body, and it means the brain is much less likely to get Alzheimer's.
• 23:09
  Dave Asprey: And most of the causes of dementia, they're well understood. You're eating a ton of toxins, you're eating a ton of seed oils. You're not getting blood flow into the brain. All of these are manageable. They don't even take much work, as long as you know they matter.
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  Dave Asprey: There are plenty of people in their 70s and 80s who are energetic and sharp, and the reason I really know this is because when I'm 26 and I have chronic fatigue and my brain doesn't work and I'm tired, Mike on my board of directors, who's 88 was calling me at 1130 at night full of energy and more energy than I had. Like, if Mike can do it, I can do it. I
• 23:41
  Randall Kaplan: think he just has home here, danger, coffee.
• 23:46
  Dave Asprey: Yeah, it's it happens. And the reality is, a lot of people get the diseases of aging, but if you look back historically, not many people got those. These are new. These are diseases of industrial food and toxins, and those are manageable. So
• 24:00
  Randall Kaplan: what are the two or three main things that we can all do to bio hack ourselves or to get increased longevity? I know you talk about a lot of different things like you talk there's a
• 24:09
  Dave Asprey: lot. One of the simplest things is learn how to get good sleep. Sleep hygiene is really cool. And the summary of everything I know about that is totally free sleep with dave.com best marketing URL of my life, but I just put everything I know about sleep because I was a guy who got five minutes of deep sleep. I hated sleep. I was terrible at it. I get 90 minutes of deep and 90 minutes of rent, which is more than most college students get, and you normally get worse sleep as you age. I get that almost every night, even if I travel nine time zones. Because managing how you sleep is about setting up your environment so you sleep better.
• 24:40
  Dave Asprey: You measure by your ring and before that is to sleep with a headband on to measure it so it's it's profound that you can change your sleep that'll make you live longer. Sleep is one.
• 24:50
  Dave Asprey: Learn how to be hungry.
• 24:53
  Dave Asprey: Sometimes intermittent fasting is a proven technique for increasing longevity. I age at around 73% the rate of normal people, because I take these things into account. You probably should get your minerals and take your supplements, take your vitamin D. Vitamin d.com is another thing I created you to take D and K together. Most people are profoundly mineral deficient.
• 25:12
  Dave Asprey: The superfoods we're all eating that are mostly peasant foods remarketed, they suck minerals out of your bones, and they give you metabolic weakness unless you put minerals back in the body. These are simple things to do. Eat more high quality animal protein than your body can use, so that you don't lose muscle mass and avoid artificial oils.
• 25:34
  Dave Asprey: Avoid artificial colors and flavorings. Artificial oils being sunflowers, safflower, soybean, corn, all these plant oils that no one's ever eaten.
• 25:40
  Dave Asprey: If you do that, you can measure how old you are. It's a four or$500 test for the biggest one in the field. And there are much more affordable tests that run as. It was like $179 that'll tell you. How old are you compared to
• 25:55
  Randall Kaplan: your peers? You mentioned fasting a lot of your career. We could spend one hour on this. Yeah. So talk to us in general, what's healthy, and what do you think about these weight loss drugs like ozempic, okay? Is that the same thing?
• 26:10
  Dave Asprey: They're not the same thing. When you do intermittent fasting, you are not eating for about 12, or sometimes longer. Hours could be 12, could be 24, hours, and you don't need to do it every day, and you don't need to do it the same way every day. If you had a really stressful day, you probably don't want to do a long fast, because a fast is a stress, just like exercise is stress. A lot of people are over fasting after my first book, so I wrote fast this way to teach people how to modulate your fasting. So at least three days a week, skip breakfast or skip dinner, and you will do much, much better. From a longevity perspective. It saves you money and time, too. If you have a hard time with that, you could put butter and MCT oil in your danger coffee and drink fat at breakfast, and you're still fasting. And this angers some people go but calories, here's the deal. Fasting works because it keeps your body from raising insulin, and it keeps your body, your body from raising something called mTOR. And it turns out fat doesn't affect either, though, so you can have some fat while you're fasting, and you still lose weight. You still get the longevity benefits
• 27:09
  Randall Kaplan: fasting the same effect as these new weight loss drugs like ozempic. What do you feel about
• 27:15
  Dave Asprey: ozempic? Fasting doesn't work the same way as ozempic and the new weight loss drugs. There are different mechanisms. If I was obese, I would absolutely use ozempic 100% because being obese is so dangerous, and I say this as a 300 pound guy at one time in life. However, if you're an ozempic, you must eat one gram of animal protein per pound of body weight that you want to be no matter what, even if you're not hungry, and you have to lift something twice a week. If you do that, you will not lose your muscles and low dose ozempic or similar drugs, they're profound longevity drugs. You want to live a long time. Micro dosing ozempic is a really good strategy. What most people do, though, is they stop eating, they take ozempic, they lose all their muscle mass, and they lose some fat, and then they're metabolically screwed for a long time. So proper use of ozempic is a miracle drug, just most people don't eat enough protein on ozempic Sounds about four years. About 20 years ago, I tried Neurofeedback for the first time, so when you hook a computer up to your brain and see what your brain is doing, show it to your brain, so your brain can change itself. And I've worked with experts all over the world. 11 years ago, I opened 40 years of Zen, which is in Seattle. It's a five day brain upgrade program. We make our own hardware, our own software, to teach people have the same brain states as someone who's done 40 years of daily meditation practice, and I've had about 1500 big entrepreneurs, family office people, celebrities, come through, and people say it's like the best plant medicine ceremony ever had without the plants, because you just get to go deep and edit the settings in your operating system so that everything feels easier when you're done, because you're getting out of your own way. And that's been the number one thing for me that's allowed me to have multiple companies, to not get just destroyed when bulletproof did what it did, all those things. So building resilience in humans and the ability to remain grounded as a leader when things are either going your way or not going your way. So you get to choose your state and stay there. Neurofeedback is a way to do it. It's the most profound company of all the ones I've
• 29:17
  Randall Kaplan: started. We're both serial entrepreneurs, and I want to talk about what it means to be successful and what it takes to be successful. Work ethic.
• 29:29
  Dave Asprey: I've shifted my work ethic a lot. When I started bulletproof, I was VP of cloud security at Trend Micro. I grew bulletproof to about 20 million revenues while I had a day job.
• 29:38
  Dave Asprey: I just worked two jobs left four hours a night for 18 months straight, probably not good for my longevity strategy. So be capable of working really, really hard and be mature enough to not do it. You have to set aside time for health and wellness. You have to set aside time for relationships. I put them on my calendar. I assume my calendar says, if you don't set aside time for those and you're capable of working really hard because you care about what you're doing, you will work until you're unhappy and sick or wired to do that as entrepreneurs. So literally, 90 minutes in the morning, that's my biohacking time. I'm going to do something. I have a whole upgrade labs at home. I have all the toys I'm going to do, the ones that I feel like doing today, and then the evenings, I'm actually not going to take a call after 539 because I have a date with my girlfriend, right?
• 30:21
  Dave Asprey: And if someone texts me, I'm not going to answer it, because I'm busy, right? And having the discipline with your time to have good friends, have community. There's been times my life where I just never saw friends, didn't focus on relationships, because I work, work, work. That's not why you're working,
• 30:39
  Randall Kaplan: isn't it true?
• 30:39
  Randall Kaplan: You're supposed to work in your 20s and earn in your 30s, and as you get older, you have families and get a little bit more better work life balance.
• 30:50
  Dave Asprey: If in my 20s I had a little. Bit more wisdom, I would have set aside an hour a day to study meditation and relationships, because I would have had a lot more money and a lot more happiness later in life. So in your 20s, you're capable of working really hard.
• 31:02
  Dave Asprey: You just don't know what to work on. So study how to be really good partner, and study whatever personal development appeals to you. If instead of doing that, you study how to make money, just be an asshole, makes a lot of money.
• 31:17
  Randall Kaplan: One of the things that's contributed to my success, one of the main ingredients something I call extreme preparation. I teach it.
• 31:22
  Randall Kaplan: I'm writing a book called extreme preparation. I want to be the most prepared person who's ever walked into that room. How important has preparation, or extreme preparation been in your success.
• 31:34
  Dave Asprey: It's been very toxic to my success. Sometimes I spend huge amounts of time preparing, and it wasn't even I needed to do. And what I've been cultivating over the years is what I'm going to call an inner knowingness, and there is an intuition, and then there's an emotion, and then there's a thought. I'm well prepared, but I'm not excessively well prepared when I go into a meeting and I have a team who prepares me with what I need to know. I want to be prepared enough, and I want to be I don't want to have spent so much energy on preparing ahead of time that I'm not present and reading the people in the room and thinking about the future.
• 32:11
  Dave Asprey: So I found that if I went down that route too far, I would be almost perfectionist. I'd stay up all night preparing the perfect slide deck, but then I'm exhausted when I go into the meeting. So it was, how do I know that I'm prepared? Enough was the trick, and being over prepared for me was almost like an act of paranoia, but being extremely prepared was a good thing
• 32:32
  Randall Kaplan: to O'Malley, UFC champion, talked about getting a stem cell injection his penis.
• 32:35
  Randall Kaplan: You have also had a stem cell injection in your penis. What is that about? And does it actually work?
• 32:43
  Dave Asprey: I've actually had five stem cell injections in my penis over time. And having a young person's sexual function is profound. You feel very different when you do it. What's worked better for me, though, is something called the wasabi method, which is one of my other companies. We use a specific type of Sonic shock wave that causes new blood vessels to grow, and you can add width or length almost at will. It's used medically as a treatment for Ed or it's used by bio hackers as a way of enhancing function. And it's ridiculous. If you have a penis that's not working very well, you can hack it. You can fix it very easily, and the stem cells are one of the ways to do it. I've had stem cells in every joint in my body, in my face.
• 33:30
  Dave Asprey: I've had my bone marrow taken out twice, and whenever I have them injected, I'm not sure, injection there, might as well, ouch. They use lidocaine. You won't feel it.
• 33:42
  Randall Kaplan: I think having curiosity is important. Oh, yeah, encouraging our success.
• 33:45
  Randall Kaplan: And I want to talk about you studied for a while. You had ejaculation studies and orgasm studies, and the conclusion of which that a man should have one orgasm a week and a women should have as many as possible.
• 34:03
  Dave Asprey: So well, not quite.
• 34:03
  Dave Asprey: Let me tell you the numbers.
• 34:05
  Dave Asprey: Yeah, let's, let's go through the numbers. This is from ancient Taoist teachings. It's your age in years minus 755.
• 34:14
  Dave Asprey: Subscribe to seven. We got 48 and then divide by four. Okay, so what's 48 divided by four?
• 34:17
  Dave Asprey: It's what 1212, 12 and a half.
• 34:22
  Dave Asprey: So that means you would ejaculate once every 12 days or less, if you want to maintain your life force. This is less, yeah, or less. So ejaculating too often is bad for it, and but, but why? Here's why. Okay, when you ejaculate, your testosterone drops for about 48 hours, and your prolactin levels go up. Those are both bad for you. Testosterone drives dopamine, which drives happiness and drives motivation, and prolactin makes you tired and lethargic. So every time you're ejaculating, according to the Taoists, they're saying you lose life essence. And according to what we understand about hormones, there is an ejaculation hangover. So I tried to disprove this. I don't want this to be true whether a year of trying the equation for my age. And they also say, if you want to live forever, just ejaculate once every 30 days as a man and keep your keep your orgasm to less than an hour.
• 35:18
  Dave Asprey: What do you guys can have hour long orgasms? Is ridiculous. So I, for a year, I published the data in game changers. I track my daily happiness and my frequency of sex and frequency of ejaculation when as a guy, it's just like intermittent fasting. You're not going to die if you skip lunch, you're not going to die if you don't ejaculate, but it feels like you're going to so you learn how to do this, and Tom strategically, just all kinds of stuff written about this.
• 35:42
  Dave Asprey: Montauk Chia has been on my show as a leading figure in this, and what it turns out is you have huge amounts of energy. And I've had Uber drivers say, Damn, I heard this on a podcast like I just started a new car. Company, like, I got a $30,000 raise.
• 35:54
  Dave Asprey: Like there are people, like your energy is just getting leaked out, especially if you're doing porn, and what you find is, if you learn how to not ejaculate, you have sex a lot more. Now, the Taoists will say for women, orgasms do not diminish them.
• 36:08
  Dave Asprey: There isn't a negative hormonal response. It's a positive hormone response. So if you're in a relationship and you ejaculate less, you're gonna have more sex. Your partner is going to be happier, and you're going to be happier, and your oxytocin levels go up for everyone, and you maintain the ability to go again and again and again, everybody wins in that. You just have to get over the idea that you'll die if you don't ejaculate.
• 36:28
  Randall Kaplan: That's counterintuitive to how most people feel after sex. Sex has been known to be the most pleasurable experience that on Earth.
• 36:38
  Dave Asprey: When did I say not to have sex? I said, Don't ejaculate
• 36:41
  Randall Kaplan: So, all right, so we got to get into this too, because when I was reading about that, I'm like Dave, who on earth as a man is having sex and not ejaculating. Why have sex I don't I personally would not understand the point of that well, either with anyone I know about everything.
• 37:01
  Dave Asprey: If you could go for two hours and your partner had a dozen like just earth shattering orgasms, soak the sheets entirely and was just fully exhausted and in a state of bliss you've never seen before.
• 37:12
  Dave Asprey: You wouldn't want to
• 37:14
  Randall Kaplan: do that. That would make me happy, but, but that's a function of just holding your ejaculation for a while till your partner experiences her pleasure. So what's wrong with that? So your partner has five orgasms and then only wait because you want to play well, five is a lot, I think, for
• 37:29
  Dave Asprey: for some people, well, I
• 37:31
  Randall Kaplan: think, I think, I mean, we're going deep. We're going deep. Now, I've never, I've never heard of a woman having 20 orgasms during sex.
• 37:37
  Randall Kaplan: Maybe I'm hanging hanging out with the wrong crowd, but I've never, I've never heard of that before, but I do think, Huh, it definitely happens. Okay, you should have, let's
• 37:47
  Dave Asprey: see, you should have Kevin Nami or Emily Fletcher on the show. Okay, about that? Yeah, Brandy
• 37:51
  Randall Kaplan: love is on my show. She's one of the biggest adult film stars. Okay, ever interesting episode not about what people think it's about.
• 38:00
  Randall Kaplan: It's about the business of pornography and why people go into it. And it was fascinating entrepreneur. That's why she went into Yeah, but, but I, once again, I just, I cannot imagine not doing both. Yes, you want to please your partner, but you also want to also experience your own orgasm.
• 38:23
  Dave Asprey: What if it was possible to have an orgasm that ejaculate?
• 38:28
  Unknown: Is it? Yeah, how?
• 38:31
  Unknown: Well, this is what the teachings are. So there's a way of I mean, maybe, maybe I'm just not educated. There are classes.
• 38:37
  Unknown: I've taken
• 38:38
  Dave Asprey: all the classes on this stuff. And what you can do is you can have whole body intense orgasms that don't involve ejaculation. And the benefit of this is you can go have sex for two hours in the morning and you're like, Oh, we've got some time this evening. Let's do it again, and there's do it again. And if you have a marathon sex session, you ejaculate the next day. You're probably not going to want to do it again, right? Well, I
• 38:59
  Randall Kaplan: mean, now most people notice because your
• 39:01
  Dave Asprey: prolactin levels are high and your testing,
• 39:03
  Randall Kaplan: no, I don't agree with you. Oh yes, you would have so yeah, you're unusual. There
• 39:07
  Dave Asprey: aren't a lot of 55 year olds who can you can ejaculate every single day after two hours of sex. So congratulations on being that healthy. Well, I'm
• 39:15
  Randall Kaplan: not saying I'm that I really don't want to. I mean, some days I feel great, he's watching. Some days I feel great. I want to keep going. And some days it's like it's enough.
• 39:23
  Randall Kaplan: I'm tired. You know, a lot of energy,
• 39:26
  Dave Asprey: exactly. So it is a lot of energy. What you'll find is that when people go down this path, they guys have profound amounts of energy, like, they become really productive, yeah, and you have so much more sex, like, there's a lot more sex, right? And it's enjoyable. And since now, it's not about me.
• 39:44
  Dave Asprey: I'm gonna it's like, how, what is, what are we capable of doing together? And I am going to feel great amounts of pleasure. I'm going to have multiple orgasms.
• 39:50
  Dave Asprey: I'm just not going to ejaculate, and maybe I will once a week, or whenever I feel like it. So the the problem was that was never made an equation for women and all the research. So I figured out the equation. It took a lot of research, and it's the number of orgasms tells she feels like she's going to die, plus two.
• 40:13
  Randall Kaplan: Okay, so let's, let's make, let's make this practical. So
• 40:19
  Dave Asprey: the bottom line is, as a guy, you want to be able to go and feel great pleasure and have a ton of fun sex until she just can't take it anymore, and then a couple more. Because 20% of people report meeting God during sex, when it's really good sex. But few people have the skills, just the sexual skills, much less the relationship skills, to create a safe space and all that. So it becomes play when it's just not about getting off, like, I'm going to have tons of orgasm and experience all the pleasure.
• 40:44
  Dave Asprey: It's just like, it's just like intermittent fasting, the first time you go 24 hours without eating, like, oh my god, I thought I was going to die. I didn't it turns out, I felt great. So go a week to say, I'm not gonna ejaculate this week.
• 40:57
  Dave Asprey: I'm just gonna have sex every single day. Okay,
• 41:01
  Randall Kaplan: so that was your partner, Emmy, with founders, entrepreneurs. And you have said, If you coach an entrepreneur, and if he were talking about males, can have sex and not ejaculate for some period of time, his career will skyrocket, as opposed to him having normal sex every day.
• 41:20
  Randall Kaplan: Yes,
• 41:23
  Dave Asprey: I'm just calling it like I see it, right? I'm not so.
• 41:26
  Randall Kaplan: So some entrepreneur comes to me as young man comes in, Dave, you know what? What's your advice for me to be successful is that part of what you actually tell people, if 24 years old,
• 41:40
  Dave Asprey: I'm gonna say, talk to me about porn, but I'm gonna say, talk to me about porn. If they're using porn, they gotta stop that stuff is so bad for your motivation, your dopamine, it just doesn't work. I'm gonna tell them to do a cold plunge or cryotherapy, right? And you talk about mindset, I'll tell them absolutely, talking about your love life, right? Because this is a major variable. If you look at what people need, we need to feel safety, we need to feel nourished, and we need to feel love. And sex for adults, is part of love. It's not the only part of it, but it's an important it's a source of nourishment for us, and if you're not paying attention to those things, you're not going to show up for your business in the right way, right? If you're running your business out of fear because you're bullied, right, or to prove you're good enough so you're worthy of love, you can build a business that way. You just hate your life while you're doing it. So I'm like, Yes, become an epic lover.
• 42:27
  Dave Asprey: Stop wasting your energy by ejaculating every time. Make her ejaculate every time, and then you do it once a week, and watch how your life changes. The amount of creative energy that a man is capable of when he knows how to hold his energy that way.
• 42:39
  Dave Asprey: It is profound. And I'm not alone in this. All of yogic teachings in Ayurveda talks about this. All of traditional Chinese medicine talks about this. Taoism talks about it.
• 42:49
  Dave Asprey: Tantra talks about it. We just don't know it in the West. But this has been written about for 1000s of years. I didn't invent this. I just tried to disprove it, and became a believer when I couldn't disprove it.
• 43:00
  Randall Kaplan: So let's talk about something else that is highly enjoyable. You mentioned nourishment. Let's talk about food.
• 43:06
  Unknown: I love food.
• 43:07
  Randall Kaplan: What are the five best foods you can eat to be healthy and to biohack and live longer. What are the worst five?
• 43:16
  Dave Asprey: The best five are grass fed beef or ruminant animals, like things like sheep and bison and things like that.
• 43:23
  Dave Asprey: Butter, coffee,
• 43:27
  Randall Kaplan: regular coffee.
• 43:27
  Randall Kaplan: Okay, better
• 43:30
  Dave Asprey: than no coffee, but mold free coffee to be good. I don't go in danger, obviously, but I'm biased.
• 43:34
  Randall Kaplan: Latte okay to fall within that category. Latte is bad because of the milk. It's
• 43:38
  Dave Asprey: probably bad because of the milk, if it's normal milk, like the milk we have in the West is called a one protein from cows that ate corn and soy, and it actually causes a lot of allergic problems and inflammation in people. Some people can handle it, but most people, milk is a problem in the latte, so I would say, Put butter instead of milk, it'll be much happier, and after that, it's blueberries and wild caught like eye salmon or something like that. So these are fatty, good quality fat foods and high polyphenol foods. Those are most important.
• 44:10
  Randall Kaplan: And don't worry about the mercury in fish, because I know your thoughts about fish have changed over the years.
• 44:16
  Dave Asprey: Wild caught Sockeye only lives for two years, and it's mostly fresh water, so it has the lowest pesticide, the lowest plastic or the lowest mercury, and very high omega three content. That's why I specifically like that kind
• 44:26
  Randall Kaplan: of salmon, worse foods,
• 44:28
  Dave Asprey: worse foods, anything that's a replacement for meat made out of highly processed food. So impossible burgers Beyond Meat, stuff like that. The fact that it tastes just like meat, but it punches you in the gut, just like peasant food, which is what it is, is a bit of a problem.
• 44:45
  Dave Asprey: Another one would be anything containing Omega six oils, where canola oil, corn oil, soybean oil, safflower oil, those are so bad for you. I mean, that's everything, not the way I eat, but it is most prepared foods.
• 44:57
  Dave Asprey: And there's a reason we have diabetes and cancer everywhere.
• 45:00
  Dave Asprey: It's because these oils are not suitable for human consumption.
• 45:02
  Dave Asprey: They're bad for you. And I haven't eaten them in 15 years.
• 45:05
  Dave Asprey: I'm 4.8% body fat. I used to be 300 pounds. And is, takes about two years to replace half the fat in your cell membranes. So avoiding, or at least heavily minimizing those is important, and you think about it, you take one fish oil pill that has all these good benefits. Why is it that an equivalent amount of bad oil wouldn't have bad benefits?
• 45:25
  Dave Asprey: It's that bad for you, especially if it's a restaurant, fried oils that have been totally destroyed, and anything that contains artificial flavorings or colorings. These are provably bad for your brain, like really bad for your brain.
• 45:38
  Dave Asprey: So I'm describing most processed foods right now and then. The one that's going to surprise people is what we'll call high oxalate foods. This is spinach, kale, beets and even raspberries. Sadly, oxalates cause seven. 80% of kidney stones plants cause them, not animals. And there are huge numbers of people with urinary tract problems and all sorts of pain in their body, gout, unexplained pain, skin problems that are just caused by plant toxins. And oxalate is one of the big ones. So spinach and kale are not superfoods. They're bad for you.
• 46:10
  Randall Kaplan: Alcohol,
• 46:12
  Dave Asprey: alcohol is bad for you, but it's fun, so I do it once or twice a year.
• 46:16
  Unknown: And what do you mean?
• 46:16
  Unknown: You do it,
• 46:18
  Dave Asprey: I'll drink something that's really good, like great sake or wine as old as I am, or something. But I don't do one drink a week because it ruins your sleep for at least one night, and it is a pro aging, pro cancer compound.
• 46:31
  Dave Asprey: And there are better ways to feel good. If you want to go to go to a party and feel relaxed, have some true Kava. It does all the good stuff of alcohol and none of the bad stuff. Or have a micro dose of mushrooms or something. That's always good for your brain. But going out and drinking wine because you like it. I don't care if you like it. You could go out and have heroin because you like it.
• 46:48
  Dave Asprey: It's still not good for you. So I just I don't understand drinking alcohol, knowing how much metabolic damage it does, I understand the desire to drink.
• 46:57
  Dave Asprey: It do something better. If I am going to drink I'll protect my liver, and I'll take a probiotic that stops alcohol from turning into aldehyde, which is the primary cause. It ages your tissues so rapidly.
• 47:08
  Randall Kaplan: Let's move on to your lab, upgrade labs. Upgrade labs where you have made the claim that going in for a five minute workout, three or four days a week is better than going to the gym for some obscene amount of time, explain what it does and how on earth could that be possible. All
• 47:30
  Dave Asprey: right, upgrade labs uses data and AI to help you get to your goal as fast as possible, using the technology back hacking. Okay?
• 47:39
  Randall Kaplan: And just tell people this is a physical location. I think you have seven. Now.
• 47:43
  Dave Asprey: We have 30 locations signed 30. So franchise, you can go to own and upgrade labs.com and open one in your neighborhood. And what upgrade labs does is we bring in all the technology I've worked with for years that's used by Super athletes and celebrities and navy seals and things like that that radically change how your body responds. So we do things like PEMF and cryotherapy and neurofeedback, and we use AI to help you build muscle, because lifting weights works just doesn't work very well, but cardio is the biggest one. If you were to do an hour of cardio a day, five days a week for two months, we think you'd be strong, right? Your VO, two Max, which is a measure of how effective it is, it'll go up by 2% you know, work your ass off, sweat all the time. Feel good about yourself, but you don't really get very good result.
• 48:32
  Dave Asprey: Come to upgrade labs and use our AI bike five minutes three times a week. You will not sweat. You don't have to change clothes unless you're wearing a dress, because you guys sit on the bike suit and doing that, you'll improve by 12% your VO, two Max, six times better results than five hours a day and 15 minutes a week. You're on a bike. You're on a bike. That's it. You're on a bike, but the bike is reading your heart rate, and you're wearing headphones that tell you what to do, and it's modulating the stress on you is it turns out you don't change by doing lots of work. You change by working really hard and then quickly returning to baseline.
• 49:05
  Dave Asprey: So we're actually guiding you to do breathing exercises after a very brief sprint to quickly drop your heart rate so the body goes, Oh, I might need to go fast, but now it's safe for me to transform 12% vo two Max improvement is equal to adding two years to your expected lifespan, and you could kick your ass in a spin class and wear out your hips and knees.
• 49:24
  Dave Asprey: Feel good about yourself if someone yells at you in sweaty spandex, and you're only going to prove 2% so coming up great labs, and we'll take care of your cardio. And you have so much time left over, why don't we train your brain? Train your brain with neurofeedback when we put you on our whole body red light therapy bed, that changes how your cells are work electrically, like there's so much stuff you can do. You're just wasting time at the gym.
• 49:45
  Dave Asprey: It's better than not going to the gym. It's just not very effective on a permanent basis.
• 49:48
  Dave Asprey: And I got shit to do.
• 49:53
  Randall Kaplan: What's your advice to parents who have children? What should they be doing? Health wise for their kids,
• 50:00
  Dave Asprey: I've taught my kids that you control how you feel with what you eat, and Okay, try and eat that and see how you feel. And one of my biggest parenting moments was my kids were at five or seven or something, they food chained the nanny, and I said, guys, we're gonna go to McDonald's. And they looked at me and they said, Daddy, you can take us to McDonald's, but you can't make us eat. I'm like, What are you talking about? And they said, We know how our tummies feel. We need that way. We don't want to do it. It doesn't matter if it tastes good. I tastes good. So teach your kids they have control over their state, and kids want control more than anything else, and let them eat the bad stuff and see how they feel.
• 50:43
  Randall Kaplan: Talking about the blue light glasses that you wear, you wear them on a plane.
• 50:45
  Randall Kaplan: I think you wore them when you're walking today, and you just came from Norway and you said, No. So no hangover or jet light, and all that jet light from the flight. So
• 51:00
  Dave Asprey: light is an important nutrient and timing signal for the body, and we get huge amounts of blue light indoors, and some blue light is good for you, and others is not good for you. So I started this company about 12 years ago called True dark. We make glasses that block only the bad blue and allow the good blue in.
• 51:15
  Dave Asprey: And we make glasses for sleep at night that tell the body that it's dark, even though you can still see. And this is why I don't get jet lag anywhere on the planet. And I wear these because my eyes stay younger. My bright studio lighting doesn't bother me, and you actually feel great at the end of the day when you haven't been exposed to huge amounts of toxic blue light.
• 51:37
  Randall Kaplan: Where can we buy them? It@truedark.com's
• 51:40
  Dave Asprey: truedark, and people report huge benefits. And we just released a study for the ones for sleep. 15 minutes wearing those glasses is the same as meditating. It drops high speed brainwaves increases off waves just by wearing the glasses. You wear them for a half hour before sleep, and you get better sleep at night, and you wear these during the day.
• 51:58
  Dave Asprey: Your energy levels stay constant so your brain doesn't get tired from crappy lighting.
• 52:02
  Randall Kaplan: They really work.
• 52:03
  Dave Asprey: Oh my god, yeah.
• 52:04
  Randall Kaplan: How many pair have you sold since you started the company? I
• 52:07
  Dave Asprey: don't have a number, but it's a lot, and people talk about, I don't market them heavily, just people feel different when they wear them. So it's been life changing for me. LED lights at a typical office, they just knocked me out. After a while, I just get tired. I wear these and I get tired. So
• 52:23
  Randall Kaplan: as we conclude today, I always finished my show with a game called fill the blank the excellence. Are you ready to play? I'm ready to play my number one professional goal is.
• 52:33
  Dave Asprey: My number one professional goal is to help a lot of people learn how to be
• 52:36
  Randall Kaplan: happy. My number one personal goal is,
• 52:40
  Dave Asprey: my number one personal goal is to get as close to being fully enlightened as I can in this life.
• 52:46
  Randall Kaplan: My biggest regret in life is,
• 52:50
  Dave Asprey: my biggest regret in life is not learning forgiveness earlier on, because I used to be kind of an asshole.
• 52:57
  Randall Kaplan: My biggest fear in life is
• 53:02
  Dave Asprey: I don't run on fear anymore. I couldn't answer that.
• 53:04
  Dave Asprey: One
• 53:05
  Randall Kaplan: is fear a great motivator.
• 53:07
  Dave Asprey: It's great ways to get going. If you let it motivate you, it'll leave you up.
• 53:11
  Randall Kaplan: The funniest thing that happened in my career is
• 53:15
  Dave Asprey: the funniest thing that happened in my career is in 2014 a Norwegian man was arrested for smuggling grass fed butter into Sweden for Christmas baking because I created a global shortage of butter.
• 53:29
  Randall Kaplan: That is actually hilarious. Did he go to jail for? How long for butter, smoke?
• 53:35
  Randall Kaplan: I don't know how long. God, I sure hope you paid for his legal expenses. Oh, that's crazy. The best advice I've ever received is
• 53:48
  Dave Asprey: the best advice I ever received was from my friend Ken when I told him about a narcissist senior executive I had who was eating up my company culture, he looked at me and he said, Dave, we're gonna fire her with my phone or yours. Didn't take his advice, and it probably cost me $100 million but it was great advice.
• 54:07
  Randall Kaplan: If you could work with one person in the world to improve their health, that person would be
• 54:17
  Dave Asprey: if I could work with one person in the world to improve their health? That's a really good question, like, who would it be? It might be the Dalai Lama. It'd be interesting to do some life extension stuff with them. That would be one answer. The other one would be interesting to work with Kanye on his brain into some neurofeedback, right? Like he's an incredible artist, and, you know, clearly has his moments, but I feel like there's so much untapped potential in there.
• 54:51
  Randall Kaplan: The one thing people should do to improve their mental health is
• 54:54
  Dave Asprey: the number one people think the number one thing people should do to improve their mental health is learn how to sleep.
• 55:04
  Randall Kaplan: We could talk about this sleep issue for a long time. I'm a terrible sleeper. Oh God, we
• 55:08
  Unknown: could hack that for you.
• 55:09
  Randall Kaplan: But what? What would the one main thing be, is it turning off your phone before you go to bed? Is it wearing your glasses? Is it meditating for an hour before you go to bed?
• 55:21
  Dave Asprey: There's two things don't eat after the sun goes down, or at least eat as early as you can, and number two, either turn off the lights and have red lights or wear latrude glasses or go to bed. Light and food are what are keeping you from sleeping?
• 55:35
  Randall Kaplan: The one thing I've dreamt about doing for a long time but haven't is,
• 55:44
  Dave Asprey: the one thing I've dreamt about doing for a long time but haven't is, I haven't visited Bhutan yet, kinder, where they have a gross.
• 55:50
  Dave Asprey: National Happiness product, so it's on my list, so I'll probably go do it.
• 55:57
  Randall Kaplan: What are the three things on your bucket list that you haven't done?
• 56:08
  Dave Asprey: I haven't lived to 180 yet, but I'm working on that. I haven't done all of the cognitive upgrades that I think I'm capable of yet, so I don't yet know all the levels that my brain is capable of, but I'm working on it.
• 56:26
  Unknown: And the third one on a bucket list I haven't done yet. I
• 56:36
  Dave Asprey: I haven't yet been to Patagonia seems kind of interesting. Otherwise, like I've done a lot of cool stuff.
• 56:45
  Randall Kaplan: One piece of advice that I would go back and give my 21 year old self is the
• 56:50
  Dave Asprey: one piece of advice I would give my 21 year old self is that you have control of your own biology. It's not there's something wrong with you. Is that there's something wrong with your body.
• 57:01
  Randall Kaplan: If you could be one person in the world, who would it be?
• 57:10
  Dave Asprey: I've met a lot of really cool people in the world who I not met. I haven't sat down with Elon yet. I've sat down with Kimball a couple times, but it'd be, it'd be really fun to chat with Elon for a little while.
• 57:21
  Randall Kaplan: If you were the president of the United States in the next election, the first thing he would do is, if
• 57:28
  Dave Asprey: I was the president united states, you're saying are elected or sure
• 57:34
  Randall Kaplan: you're elected.
• 57:34
  Randall Kaplan: If I'm elected, named tomorrow the President United States was the first thing you would do.
• 57:43
  Dave Asprey: I would I would resign, because I like to get shit done. It's a hopeless job.
• 57:49
  Randall Kaplan: The one question you wish I'd asked you is I
• 57:55
  Dave Asprey: we didn't talk at all about women's health or fertility, and these are massive issues. My first book was on fertility and how to have a healthier baby. The fertility rate is so low right now, and the toxins that affect all of us are affecting women more than men, and it's affecting the next generation, and this is something that we need to talk a lot more about. The incidence of autism in kids is going up.
• 58:19
  Dave Asprey: Health problems in kids is going up. Bobby Kennedy talked a lot about this in his campaign, but there's, there's a huge problem in our children's health that needs attention, and there's a huge problem in our women's health. They get Alzheimer's twice as much as men, and we gotta do something about that.
• 58:36
  Dave Asprey: It's our job as a society to take care of our women and children. There are endocrine disrupting chemicals made by mother nature, toxic mold makes a lot of them. Some plants make them, but man made fragrances, something called Atrazine, which is allowed in the US, but banded most other countries, that turns frogs into hermaphrodites. It provably affects humans at the levels that are in our drinking water. And your job as a parent is to do what you can to reduce your exposure to household chemicals and eat the cleanest food you can afford, to bind toxins if you're going to get pregnant or you're pregnant, and to do your best to feed your kids the food your ancestors ate, not pre processed garbage food. If you do this, your kids chances of having autism, ADHD allergies, childhood illnesses, all the stuff I dealt with, they don't have to have it. And if you see someone on the street who's pregnant, like open a door for them. Just be kind. We don't have enough mothers right now.
• 59:35
  Dave Asprey: We don't have babies right now, and our babies and mothers aren't healthy enough. So just do your part in society. When you see someone who's working to make the next generation give them a helping hand like that alone, just feeling supported, it's so profound. And if you're a woman at perimenopause, for God's sake, see a functional medicine doctor and get on bioidentical hormone replacement. The sooner you do it, closer to menopause, the lower your risk of dementia later in life, the lower risk of cancer later in life. All the fear mongering you heard about that, it was all based on using synthetic drugs. The bioidentical approach helps women at least as much as men.
• 1:00:15
  Randall Kaplan: This has been awesome. I really appreciate you being on my show. Been a fan for a long time. I'm glad we got to sit down today. Super brilliant guy. Thanks your positive affecting lives of truly, millions of people. And I learned a lot today, and I'm gonna chase on my own habits here. There's a lot of not the sexual habits, but really, appreciate it. Thank you.
• 1:00:35
  Randall Kaplan: Thanks.