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ABS is coming, Opening Day starter, Nolan Arenado to the Angels? · Cardinal Territory: A St. Louis Cardinals Podcast

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Speaker 1: Hello everybody, and happy new Year, and for us, we
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Speaker 1: are hoping for better internet connections in twenty twenty six.
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Speaker 1: Jim Hayes alongside Kyle Gibson and Lancelin, gentlemen, how are
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Speaker 1: you very good year? Happy new Year? We're still alloud
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Speaker 1: to say that, And it's our first show of the
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Speaker 1: new year, so let's make it a good one. And
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Speaker 1: I was thinking, not a lot has gone on in
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Speaker 1: terms of trades for the Cardinals or any moves, so
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Speaker 1: I put it out there to the folks that keep
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Speaker 1: us in business, the viewers and the listeners, and I
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Speaker 1: asked for some questions and we got a few good ones,
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Speaker 1: so I thought we'd start this edition with those questions.
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Speaker 1: And the first question is from Kendall and his question
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Speaker 1: is with the ABS Challenge system coming this year, what
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Speaker 1: are your thoughts on how it will affect the big moments? Also,
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Speaker 1: what is the team's strategy on one to use these challenges?
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Speaker 1: Love the podcast, guys, keep up the good work. We
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Speaker 1: love the compliments. So I'm gonna throw that one out
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Speaker 1: to you Kyle first, and how do you think So
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Speaker 1: as we know it now, it's going to be all
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Speaker 1: through the season and in the postseason, and you're gonna
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Speaker 1: have two challenges to the tap right, and if your
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Speaker 1: challenge is held up, then you keep it. If not,
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Speaker 1: you lose it. You get too How do you think
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Speaker 1: it's going to affect like a big moment? Strike three,
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Speaker 1: that's the ball game, hold the phone, there's a tap.
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Speaker 1: I guess that's one of the questions is how will
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Speaker 1: it impact the big moments.
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Speaker 2: I think it's gonna make certain big moments even better.
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Speaker 2: I mean, I think you'll have certain strikeouts or certain
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Speaker 2: ball threes or ball fours turn into a strike. And
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Speaker 2: I think in the right moment, with the right delivery
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Speaker 2: on the jumbo tron, the crowd's gonna love it or
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Speaker 2: the crowd's gonna hate it, and you're going to hear groans,
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Speaker 2: you know, just experiencing a little bit last summer, just
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Speaker 2: in my in my stent in the minor leagues, it
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Speaker 2: goes quick. I think it's a good move to do.
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Speaker 2: The only thing I dislike about it is that because
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Speaker 2: you only get two challenges or three challenges, whatever they do.
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Speaker 2: I think the last part of Kendall's question is really
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Speaker 2: interesting is what is the team strategy. I think it's
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Speaker 2: slightly unfair to make this a strategy. You shouldn't have
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Speaker 2: to strategize how to get calls right. You know, you
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Speaker 2: should just be able to get them right as a player.
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Speaker 2: And I think each player should have their own challenge
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Speaker 2: for the game and you get to use it whenever
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Speaker 2: you want to use it, because I think or else
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Speaker 2: you're going to have if you have two for the game,
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Speaker 2: you're going to have parameters when you can actually make
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Speaker 2: sure a call is right or wrong, and I just
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Speaker 2: don't like that. I think you're going to have certain
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Speaker 2: players pressure to not use them. The manager's gonna have
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Speaker 2: certain restrictions when you can't use them, and then one
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Speaker 2: player is going to be kind of penalized versus the
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Speaker 2: other because if your closer gets to the ninth inning
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Speaker 2: and your seventh hole hitter use the challenge in the
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Speaker 2: second inning and messed it up, and then you use
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Speaker 2: another one in the fifth inning and mess it up, well,
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Speaker 2: then your closer doesn't have a challenge, So that would
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Speaker 2: be my only shift. I am not in favor of
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Speaker 2: rules that are going to pit players against each other,
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Speaker 2: and I think this is going to be one that
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Speaker 2: is going to make for a little bit of friction
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Speaker 2: because in really the in the big moments, a player
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Speaker 2: is not actually in charge of his own correct or
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Speaker 2: in correct call.
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Speaker 1: So a picture lance is looking out for the picture
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Speaker 1: side of things. But I think you can't just have
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Speaker 1: unlimited challenges because people will go berserk with it. So
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Speaker 1: I'm on board with a couple. How do you look
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Speaker 1: at it and do first go ahead?
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Speaker 2: I'm not on board for unlimited I think I think
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Speaker 2: each player should just get their own and then if
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Speaker 2: you mess it up, you're out, and then you don't
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Speaker 2: get to do it again. I just think that, you know,
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Speaker 2: the youngest player on the team shouldn't never be allowed
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Speaker 2: to challenge because he's only got two years of service
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Speaker 2: time and he can't take a challenge from the ten
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Speaker 2: year vet who's really going to use it and knows
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Speaker 2: the strikes on a little bit better. I just I
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Speaker 2: don't like that idea. That's just my personal preference. And
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Speaker 2: it's that's so quick, Jim. It's not like it's a
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Speaker 2: ten second deal. This is like tap your hat you're
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Speaker 2: right or wrong, and you turn around and tell the
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Speaker 2: umpire sorry, or you just put your head down, whatever
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Speaker 2: it is.
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Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying. Like you move on.
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Speaker 4: Hey, that ten year vets don't know the strikes on
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Speaker 4: like you think they do either. I've seen Matt Carpenter
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Speaker 4: tell me that there's no way that's a strike. There's
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Speaker 4: no way, and he goes and looks it's in the
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Speaker 4: box and he goes it's still not a strike. So
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Speaker 4: it's going to be here's the truth matter. We want
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Speaker 4: strikes to be strikes and we want balls to be balls.
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Speaker 4: This is a way to get there full time. You know,
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Speaker 4: if we could have the automatic strikes on it at
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Speaker 4: all times, I think that would be great. But they're
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Speaker 4: not ready to go there yet. So I think this
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Speaker 4: is gonna be The strategy is use it for a
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Speaker 4: big moment. Big moment in the game Runners in second
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Speaker 4: and third you got the pitcher up against the wall,
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Speaker 4: blah blah blah, borderline pitch. You know, you take your time.
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Speaker 4: So I think it's gonna be good at times. And
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Speaker 4: I think you're gonna be at times where you're like, hey,
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Speaker 4: you know, there's gonna be teams that don't use it
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Speaker 4: in a way that you're you're kind of looking at
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Speaker 4: them to use it. I guess when you have a
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Speaker 4: three to two count, bases loaded, and a borderline pitch
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Speaker 4: gets called. I think everyone wants that pitch to be
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Speaker 4: right because it impacts the game. So I think that's
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Speaker 4: their thought process of this, but I think it could
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Speaker 4: go a lot of different directions. But I will say this,
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Speaker 4: no one liked the challenge system. No one liked the
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Speaker 4: NFL when they started doing instant replay. And the more
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Speaker 4: you get calls right, the more happier people are because
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Speaker 4: the true outcome of the game is factored by the
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Speaker 4: players doing what they need to do in the call
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Speaker 4: getting right. So that's the main thing. Hopefully, one day
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Speaker 4: we get to where the strike zone is fully automated
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Speaker 4: each hitter from their knees to whatever their belly button
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Speaker 4: or whatever that might be the strike zone no matter
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Speaker 4: what their you know, their stances this or that. You know,
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Speaker 4: with all this AI and stuff like that, maybe one
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Speaker 4: day it will happen. But all in all, I think
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Speaker 4: it's gonna be a positive. But the more you can
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Speaker 4: sit there and wait for a game to end, if
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Speaker 4: it's a strike three that they're challenging and stuff like that,
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Speaker 4: it's just gonna make more suspense and fans are gonna
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Speaker 4: love it. If it goes well for him, they're gonna
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Speaker 4: hate it if it goes against him. I like the idea, Kyle.
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Speaker 4: Everybody gets their own. So when you're on the scoreboard,
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Speaker 4: you get a they get an X through them. They're
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Speaker 4: out of challenges for that day, you know. So it's like, hey,
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Speaker 4: you don't get one. You got xed out.
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Speaker 2: Brother, Nice try I can hear it now, though I
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Speaker 2: can hear it now. In the postgame, Jim walks into
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Speaker 2: the locker room. He goes up to Lance and he says, Hey, Lance,
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Speaker 2: wouldn't it have been nice in the sixth inning if
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Speaker 2: you could have challenged that to to strike call that
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Speaker 2: ended up leading to a walk? But you know, so
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Speaker 2: and so you guys had ran out of challenges. And
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Speaker 2: then Lance has to dodge that question because Jim's gonna
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Speaker 2: ask it, and Lance has.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, it would have got.
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Speaker 4: It right, if that dick would have got it right
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Speaker 4: the aning before I would have had a chance to
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Speaker 4: use it. You're right, Jim, That's what.
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Speaker 3: I see what I'm saying, Like, I don't I just
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Speaker 3: I don't like that situation.
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Speaker 2: I think it is going to happen that question will
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Speaker 2: be asked, wouldn't it have been nice to have a challenge.
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Speaker 3: It's gonna be asked, and I don't like it.
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Speaker 1: See, there is an unintended consequence that's running your guys wheelhouse.
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Speaker 1: Say Kyle Gibson's pitching or Lance Linn. They go, well,
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Speaker 1: he's earned the benefit of the doubt on that strike
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Speaker 1: call because he's Lance Linn or Kyle Gibson. These guys
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Speaker 1: have commanded the strike zone. That's com com no more,
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Speaker 1: no more benefit of the doubt for veteran pitchers, veteran hitters.
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Speaker 1: Every levels the playing field.
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Speaker 2: Every borderline pitch is not challenged. I promise you just
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Speaker 2: the three weeks, four weeks I was down there this year,
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Speaker 2: Every borderline pitch is not challenged. They have an iPad
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Speaker 2: in the out and they see six or seven seconds
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Speaker 2: after ooh, we should have challenged that one.
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Speaker 3: Oh a good thing.
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Speaker 2: We didn't challenge it. Every borderline pitch is not challenged.
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Speaker 2: But if you give the players stuff like that, yes,
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Speaker 2: and if you give the player their discretion, who's to
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Speaker 2: say that a leadoff hit or the inning challenging a
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Speaker 2: strike call doesn't change the inning. That's where I think, like, oh,
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Speaker 2: save it for the big moment. Well, what if the
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Speaker 2: big moment never comes and you get to the sixth
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Speaker 2: inning and you're getting beat by six runs and it
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Speaker 2: would have really been nice to challenge that call in
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Speaker 2: the third inning to start a big inning. That's where
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Speaker 2: I think you just give the players their own and
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Speaker 2: let the players use it their own discretion.
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Speaker 1: All right. The next question we have is from Adam,
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Speaker 1: and I think a lot of Cardinal fans as will
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Speaker 1: get closer to spring training and opening day, Adam asks
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Speaker 1: who should we expect to take the bump on opening Day?
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Speaker 1: Is it Libby? I know you guys are both Libby guys.
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Speaker 1: What do you think?
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Speaker 4: Don't know if the guy's on the team yet that's
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Speaker 4: going to take the pump opening day? Uh, that's my guess,
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Speaker 4: to be honest with you. I think that there's someone
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Speaker 4: that's going to be added that is going to be
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Speaker 4: between him and May. Would be my would be probably
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Speaker 4: be the guests that I go with. Obviously, that's gonna
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Speaker 4: be up to Ali and who he thinks can kind
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Speaker 4: of get the kick the season off to how they
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Speaker 4: you know, how they like it. But you know, I'm
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Speaker 4: going to go out and say either it's May or
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Speaker 4: the guys don't on the team.
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Speaker 1: Yet, Wow, would what do you think, Kyle?
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Speaker 3: I would say May, and I would agree.
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Speaker 2: I think there's still a chance that somebody's added, but
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Speaker 2: opening day starter, you know, unless you have a rotation
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Speaker 2: of veterans and you have a clear cut guy, it's
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Speaker 2: just it's it's a pretty cool process to go through
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Speaker 2: in spring training, pretty you know, every everybody wants to
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Speaker 2: do it, you know, And I think that's something that
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Speaker 2: is going to be a pretty big honor for whoever
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Speaker 2: it is.
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Speaker 3: And right now.
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Speaker 2: Maybe he's not on a team, but I'd say it's
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Speaker 2: it's probably Dustin May or if you've got a guy
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Speaker 2: that you know from last year it really was your
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Speaker 2: guy and you want to give him that give him
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Speaker 2: that nod as hey, you earned it from last year
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Speaker 2: and you've had a good spring, then you know that's
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Speaker 2: probably what it's going to be. But you know, if
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Speaker 2: I had to pick, it'd probably be May written.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think as it stands out, I would go
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Speaker 1: with May with Libby in the discussion, depending how things
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Speaker 1: go at spring training. And I know you guys are
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Speaker 1: both Libby guys, Like I have a film, this could
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Speaker 1: be a really good year for libertur.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, especially building up of what he did last year.
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Speaker 4: I mean, he put himself in a really good spot
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Speaker 4: last year to even go to the next level. People
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Speaker 4: don't understand how hard it is from what he did
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Speaker 4: minor leagues to starter, but then going from a reliever, uh,
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Speaker 4: you know the year before to starting all last year.
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Speaker 4: This is going to be his year to kind of
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Speaker 4: I think break out. I think you saw this stepping
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Speaker 4: stones two that last year with the good starts and
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Speaker 4: then learning how to deal with a full season and
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Speaker 4: navigating lineups and stuff like that, and then I think
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Speaker 4: this year is going to be another step. Obviously, you
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Speaker 4: need health and then you need to you know, he
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Speaker 4: needs to make sure he goes and grows on what
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Speaker 4: he did last year, and then make sure that the
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Speaker 4: things that might not have worked out well for him
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Speaker 4: last year figure out how to fine tune those. And
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Speaker 4: I'm positive him and Dusty have already kind of gone
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Speaker 4: over those and that's been kind of implemented this offseason
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Speaker 4: in his program.
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Speaker 1: We saw a lot of good from a last year,
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Speaker 1: didn't we.
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Speaker 3: Yeah.
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Speaker 2: I think it's probably also a time where not that
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Speaker 2: this is the last chance, but I think you get
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Speaker 2: to a certain point as a as a pitcher, when
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Speaker 2: you're bouncing back, starter, reliever that you just want to
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Speaker 2: know what your role is going to be and you know,
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Speaker 2: building back up and going back down. You know, you're
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Speaker 2: probably the time here for Libby to decide, all right,
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Speaker 2: you know, am I gonna be a starter here for
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Speaker 2: the next few years or is it best for my
11:56
Speaker 2: career to be this you know, swing man that can
11:59
Speaker 2: get high light bridge out said for multiple innings, uh,
12:03
Speaker 2: simplify things and really being asked to have the pen
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Speaker 2: because I think we've seen those weapons are especially on
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Speaker 2: teams that needed in their bullpen. Those weapons can be
12:11
Speaker 2: really big, you know, for a full length season and
12:14
Speaker 2: into the into the playoffs. So I mean Trevor May
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Speaker 2: ended up doing that at one point with the Twins
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Speaker 2: where he had been bounced back and forth and he
12:21
Speaker 2: finally told him, hey, guys, I'm coming back from Tom
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Speaker 2: of John and I want to be a reliever. I'm
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Speaker 2: done kind of going back and forth. So this might
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Speaker 2: be a time where you know, Libby has to make
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Speaker 2: that decision, you know, depending on how the year goes,
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Speaker 2: and hopefully it is as a starter, because I think
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Speaker 2: he has the ability to be really good.
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Speaker 1: I'm telling you what I've talked to Levy. He is
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Speaker 1: a starter. He wants to start. No question, all right.
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Speaker 1: Next question is from uh Becky, and Becky says, who
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Speaker 1: will be the opening day catcher and will it depend
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Speaker 1: on who was pitching? What do you think?
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Speaker 2: I think that you did not want to pronoun it's
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Speaker 2: our last name of Ucello, and you just went, I mean,
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Speaker 2: it's Ucello, Jim, That's what it is.
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Speaker 1: You know, because we're we're on a casual basis here,
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Speaker 1: it's all good.
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Speaker 3: I would say it's it's Herrera.
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Speaker 2: And it'll be interesting what they do with the backup
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Speaker 2: catcher spot.
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Speaker 3: I mean, I think Pedro is a really, really good.
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Speaker 2: Defensive catcher and so we'll see what they do there.
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Speaker 2: But I mean, I think until you have a few things,
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Speaker 2: you know, shaken out, I think you know, Avon's getting that,
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Speaker 2: you know, opening day nine, and I think his arm
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Speaker 2: is gonna be healthy, and you know that bad is
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Speaker 2: obviously an impact back and when it's behind the plate,
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Speaker 2: you know, and you're adding some defense and he keeps
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Speaker 2: getting better, you know, that becomes an impact player.
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Speaker 3: On the field.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, what do you think I think it's Von as
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Speaker 4: long as he can throw. Is if the arms good
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Speaker 4: to go, I think, and if he is at the
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Speaker 4: point where they don't love the way he's throwing the
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Speaker 4: ball coming off surgery, pay d h and then you
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Speaker 4: have another prike carry three if it goes to that route.
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Speaker 4: But I think all things point to Von being catch
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Speaker 4: the everyday catcher, you know, four out of four out
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Speaker 4: of six games type of type of stuff. With the
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Speaker 4: way he can hit, his ability to do the things
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Speaker 4: that he needs to do to be in every catcher.
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Speaker 4: Every day catcher are there now. It's for them. They
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Speaker 4: need him to take that next step to be reliable
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Speaker 4: to the pitching staff, to be able to throw out
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Speaker 4: base runners and stuff like that. And if he's capable
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Speaker 4: of doing that, you have something that every team really
14:32
Speaker 4: really wants in a catcher and you have to give
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Speaker 4: him every opportunity to seize that right now. So health,
14:39
Speaker 4: you know, health being number one thing. If he's one
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Speaker 4: hundred healthy in spring training going to the season, he's
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Speaker 4: probably your opening day and I don't think it matters
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Speaker 4: who's pitching anymore. He's he's going to catch the days
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Speaker 4: that he's supposed to catch. And then we're going from there, and.
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Speaker 1: Heim Bloom talk to Herrera about it. I was surprised.
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Speaker 1: Herrera said he's going to have the surgery in the
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Speaker 1: off season, which you had, and he said, Jims on
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Speaker 1: board with him catching because they did as you remember,
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Speaker 1: toy with him in the outfield just a little bit
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Speaker 1: because his bat is a difference maker and they want
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Speaker 1: to get it in the line up. So hopefully it
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Speaker 1: works out with him catching. Some signs that the Cardinals
15:16
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Speaker 1: You're watching Cardinal Territory part of the Foul Territory Network. Now,
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Speaker 1: Baseball America, very respected publication, just came out with their
16:36
Speaker 1: ratings and they say the Cardinals have the most improved
16:41
Speaker 1: minor league system in Major League Baseball. I jotted down
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Speaker 1: some notes because Weatherholt, and Doyle topped the list. No
16:49
Speaker 1: surprise there. Three catchers are in the Cardinals top six
16:54
Speaker 1: and a nineteen year old Rhinel Rodriguez is number three
16:58
Speaker 1: at a monster year last season, and two pitchers picked
17:02
Speaker 1: up by hem Bloom via traits. So they bolstered the
17:06
Speaker 1: pitching staff, given themselves some more depth. But when Baseball
17:11
Speaker 1: America says that that farm system is the most improved
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Speaker 1: in Major League baseball? Kyle, is that a sign that
17:19
Speaker 1: things are headed in the right direction, Maybe not impacting
17:23
Speaker 1: the season ahead of us, but certainly for the future.
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Speaker 1: And already Lance Lynn is laughing, he's calling it a
17:29
Speaker 1: tear down.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I think I have a feeling I
17:34
Speaker 2: know where lance Is going to go, so I'll just
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Speaker 2: go ahead and get ahead of it here and I
17:36
Speaker 2: won't steal any material. But I think it's I think
17:39
Speaker 2: it's a good thing. I think you always want to
17:41
Speaker 2: have good players in your system because when you are
17:44
Speaker 2: at this point where you're winning and you need a replacement,
17:48
Speaker 2: you have good players that are going to be able
17:49
Speaker 2: to come up there and be stop gaps and not
17:52
Speaker 2: have a fall off whenever you're you know, Mason win
17:54
Speaker 2: or weather Hold or somebody has a lot of Naggie
17:57
Speaker 2: hamstring has to go down for a couple of weeks.
17:58
Speaker 2: So I think think that's definitely a good thing. I
18:01
Speaker 2: think it also bolsters opportunities to trade for players in
18:03
Speaker 2: the middle of the season and use that prospect capital
18:06
Speaker 2: to make your big leag grosster better. But I think,
18:09
Speaker 2: as everybody knows, not every player in your minor league
18:12
Speaker 2: system pans out. Not every prospect becomes a really good
18:15
Speaker 2: big leaguer, and so you want to stockpilot as many
18:18
Speaker 2: good players as possible and have the best chance of
18:21
Speaker 2: of you know, having those guys pan out. And I
18:24
Speaker 2: hate the statement playing the numbers, but you do have
18:27
Speaker 2: to play the numbers, and you want to get as
18:29
Speaker 2: many good players as possible because you just never know
18:31
Speaker 2: what gonna happen as he's got to develop.
18:34
Speaker 1: Now, Lams should probably have props, maybe a bulldozer in
18:38
Speaker 1: the background, a sledge hammer, because I know what you're
18:41
Speaker 1: gonna say, all right, as sure as a reset. But
18:44
Speaker 1: they are you say, they are tearing it down.
18:47
Speaker 4: I mean, if you look at everything that's gone, I mean,
18:50
Speaker 4: we're one more guy away from being traded for the
18:53
Speaker 4: for the teardown to you know, pretty much be there.
18:56
Speaker 4: But it gives you currency, right, Prospects are currency. The
18:59
Speaker 4: more high, higher valued prospects you have, the more currency
19:02
Speaker 4: you have in baseball, and that gives you ways to
19:05
Speaker 4: make your big league roster better, whether they become every
19:08
Speaker 4: day big leaguers or you can use those guys to
19:10
Speaker 4: get bona fide every day big leaguers. Like you said,
19:13
Speaker 4: three of the top ten are catchers, right, and I
19:16
Speaker 4: think your big league catching crew is pretty darn good
19:18
Speaker 4: and they're young, so that's currency. There's a lot of
19:22
Speaker 4: things that they can do with these guys, and some
19:25
Speaker 4: of these guys are going to be there in the
19:27
Speaker 4: near future. And even in your big league groster is
19:29
Speaker 4: pretty young in the same time, So how are you
19:32
Speaker 4: going to stagger these guys coming up? Who's a guy
19:36
Speaker 4: that kind of doesn't fit because a guy ahead of
19:39
Speaker 4: them that you like more, It plays his position, and
19:43
Speaker 4: then what's his value to get you a guy or
19:45
Speaker 4: get you certain pieces to fill in the positions that
19:48
Speaker 4: you are weaker at. So all in all, it's a
19:51
Speaker 4: positive when you have a prospect list like they do.
19:55
Speaker 4: I think they've got guys that they see in their
19:57
Speaker 4: future on the next you know, years of especially in
20:01
Speaker 4: the JJ Weather hole and guys like that, they've got
20:05
Speaker 4: guys that they can see in their you know, top
20:07
Speaker 4: of their lineup, in the middle of their field that
20:09
Speaker 4: can really change the dynamic of the team. And then
20:12
Speaker 4: now what are you going to do around that with
20:15
Speaker 4: free agency and then using your minor league currency to
20:18
Speaker 4: get big league talent.
20:21
Speaker 1: So one of the guys that you mentioned or at
20:24
Speaker 1: least referenced is Nolan Arnado, who is still a Cardinal.
20:29
Speaker 1: There were rumors a week ago about the Angels talking
20:34
Speaker 1: to the Cardinals, and I haven't talked to Arnado about it. Certainly,
20:39
Speaker 1: Anaheim is right there in terms of being at home
20:44
Speaker 1: for Nolan, But I look at that team and I
20:47
Speaker 1: think they're kind of in the same situation with the
20:50
Speaker 1: Cardinals in terms of a reset. They brought in new
20:53
Speaker 1: guys who were kind of one year deals, who were
20:55
Speaker 1: they're hoping, you know, get past injuries or down years,
20:59
Speaker 1: And it looks to me like the Angels, like the Cardinals,
21:03
Speaker 1: maybe don't have their eyes set on this year but
21:05
Speaker 1: down the road. So my question is for you, Kyle,
21:09
Speaker 1: does that seem like that's a great landing spot for
21:12
Speaker 1: for Aronado? And is here a chance deep down he
21:16
Speaker 1: still wants to crack at winning again.
21:19
Speaker 2: Every player wants to crack at winning again, So yes,
21:22
Speaker 2: I think that's on there. But I also think playing
21:26
Speaker 2: closer to home is a big deal. Living at home
21:31
Speaker 2: is a big deal, as Lance and I were able
21:33
Speaker 2: to experience as well. So that not that that cures everything.
21:37
Speaker 2: It doesn't, but that's probably a situation where he would
21:41
Speaker 2: not go to any other team not on the CUSP
21:45
Speaker 2: unless he was at home.
21:47
Speaker 3: So we'll see, we'll see if that pans out. I mean,
21:51
Speaker 3: I think the Angels are a team that's in a
21:52
Speaker 3: big market.
21:53
Speaker 2: They have Mike Trout, they have you know, top of
21:56
Speaker 2: the line players, and I think they have They're gonna
21:59
Speaker 2: be in the position where they're going to be spending
22:02
Speaker 2: and they are expected to win. Angels fans are not
22:04
Speaker 2: you know, they were blessed with sho Hey and Trout
22:06
Speaker 2: and guys to go watch, but they also get criticized
22:10
Speaker 2: for not winning when they had both of those players.
22:12
Speaker 2: So I'm assuming that the front office there is going
22:14
Speaker 2: to want to make that move. They've also brought up
22:17
Speaker 2: young guys very early, so they're gonna hit their arbitration
22:20
Speaker 2: windows with some of these guys extremely quick compared to
22:23
Speaker 2: other young players because of how quick they brought them up.
22:25
Speaker 2: So I mean, I think they are going to be
22:27
Speaker 2: in a spot where if they can get the right
22:29
Speaker 2: couple pieces that the veterans that they think might compliment,
22:32
Speaker 2: maybe a Nolan Aeronado signifies to another free agent that hey,
22:36
Speaker 2: we are going to go and try and win here
22:38
Speaker 2: the next couple of years. We traded for Nolan Aeronado
22:40
Speaker 2: to fill a role at their base, and he's gonna
22:43
Speaker 2: make our defense better. And here's how we're going to
22:44
Speaker 2: get another starting pitcher. Maybe having good defense is a
22:48
Speaker 2: great way to get started pitching. So you know, I
22:51
Speaker 2: think I think it could be maybe one of the
22:53
Speaker 2: dominoes that falls and maybe helps them, you know, take
22:56
Speaker 2: that step to being ready.
22:58
Speaker 1: So if you are Nato, are you thinking maybe like
23:02
Speaker 1: he has a no trade, so you know he has
23:05
Speaker 1: the power. Maybe if I wait this out, a better
23:08
Speaker 1: opportunity will present itself in terms of a landing spot.
23:13
Speaker 1: Because I agree with you, defense is at a premium.
23:16
Speaker 1: He was outstanding defensively last year. There's that element of
23:19
Speaker 1: leadership having a veteran around two lance. If you're Nolan,
23:24
Speaker 1: are you thinking I want to be home or are
23:27
Speaker 1: you thinking let's wait and see how this plays out.
23:31
Speaker 4: I think you're looking at the waiting game is going
23:34
Speaker 4: to be where's Bregman end up? I think that's what
23:37
Speaker 4: we're waiting on right now. Once Bregman goes somewhere and
23:40
Speaker 4: you don't like the other fits, then it's do I
23:43
Speaker 4: say in Saint Louis or do I go home? And
23:45
Speaker 4: I think that's kind of if it's on the table
23:47
Speaker 4: to go home, I think that's what he's gonna have
23:50
Speaker 4: to choose. I think in his mind, you know, I'm
23:55
Speaker 4: not speaking for him, but if you have a chance
23:57
Speaker 4: to go home and kind of just kind of regroup,
24:01
Speaker 4: I think he would rather do that, because all the
24:04
Speaker 4: writing has been on the wall that he's leaving Saint Louis. Anyways,
24:06
Speaker 4: this winter, the question is is what big teams are
24:11
Speaker 4: going or the teams that are quote unquote gonna win,
24:14
Speaker 4: are gonna go after him? You got Boston? Is Bregman?
24:18
Speaker 4: Was it Detroit? It's in Bregman's camp? But is Detroit
24:21
Speaker 4: if they don't get Bregman?
24:22
Speaker 3: Is that?
24:23
Speaker 4: Are they that much better than the Angels? I don't know,
24:29
Speaker 4: because you know, are they gonna be able to keep screwball?
24:32
Speaker 4: Like there's there's a lot of ifs in baseball, and
24:35
Speaker 4: if you get a chance to go home, I think
24:38
Speaker 4: that trump's a lot of things that that that makes
24:41
Speaker 4: that pros and cons that pro list just automatically with
24:45
Speaker 4: a big old bull's eye on it. If it's if
24:48
Speaker 4: it's Angels.
24:51
Speaker 1: Last thing and Kyle, you bring this up or you
24:54
Speaker 1: have brought it up a few times, the value of
24:56
Speaker 1: flipping a player, holding on to him, and then flipping
25:00
Speaker 1: him before the deadline once the season, you know, as
25:03
Speaker 1: you get close to the trade deadline, you could get
25:05
Speaker 1: a haul and return him. By then. You know, maybe
25:08
Speaker 1: some teams figure they have a bigger need for a
25:10
Speaker 1: guy like Nolan. Teams headed for the postseason. Maybe that's
25:14
Speaker 1: where you get the most value, because we haven't seen
25:18
Speaker 1: any movement on that front to this point.
25:20
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think it's interesting.
25:22
Speaker 2: My question for you guys would be, you know which
25:26
Speaker 2: camp would you rather be in? Would you rather be
25:28
Speaker 2: in Bregnant's camp or Aeronauto's camp right now? Because it
25:31
Speaker 2: seems like you know who who's waiting on who? Here
25:34
Speaker 2: is Bregnant waiting on aeron Auto getting trades and maybe
25:37
Speaker 2: he has leverage or is there not a waiting on
25:39
Speaker 2: Bregnan to be traded.
25:40
Speaker 3: Or scigned so that he has leverage. I don't know.
25:42
Speaker 2: That side of it is a little interesting to me,
25:45
Speaker 2: So we'll kind of see how that shakes out. But yeah,
25:48
Speaker 2: I mean I think that I think it's always interesting
25:53
Speaker 2: talking out loud that you want to trade a player
25:55
Speaker 2: and making it known that he is going to be traded,
25:58
Speaker 2: because I feel like there is a certain leverage aspect
26:01
Speaker 2: of that that is diminished a little bit. But at
26:05
Speaker 2: the end of the day, I'm in the front office
26:08
Speaker 2: has the ability to say, Nolan, we're keeping your hair,
26:12
Speaker 2: and you make our team better and we need you
26:14
Speaker 2: in this locker room, and we'll see if we get
26:17
Speaker 2: another offer, obviously we'll present it to you, but for
26:20
Speaker 2: right now, you're our guy and you're going to be here,
26:22
Speaker 2: so we'll just kind of have to see how that
26:25
Speaker 2: how that shakes out. But yeah, I mean, I think
26:28
Speaker 2: any team Nolan is an asset for many different ways,
26:31
Speaker 2: and if you end up trading him again, you know,
26:33
Speaker 2: although he probably keeps his no trade, but I think
26:36
Speaker 2: he's an asset to whatever tav he's on Lamce.
26:40
Speaker 1: Last question, when the season starts, will Nolan Ornado being
26:46
Speaker 1: a Cardinal uniform?
26:48
Speaker 4: I say no. They've been publicly too much about him
26:52
Speaker 4: being traded. I think for everyone's sake, the Cardinal's sake
26:56
Speaker 4: and his sake, it's time to find him a place
26:59
Speaker 4: that he can go and do whatever he needs to
27:03
Speaker 4: do to finish out his hall of fame career and
27:05
Speaker 4: also start your rebuild. So that's where I'm at.
27:10
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