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The Cafe Of Infinite Doors From Zara Marielle · Arroe Collins Like It's Live

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  Speaker 1: How are you doing today?
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  Speaker 2: I'm doing okay, it's early here. I'm in California.
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  Speaker 1: Well, it's like, that's what I love about California is
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  Speaker 1: that the rest of the world has already started the day,
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  Speaker 1: but in California we relax our way into the day.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, totally.
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  Speaker 1: What part of California are you in?
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  Speaker 3: Very very northern basically Oregon. Yeah, it's pretty isolated where
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  Speaker 3: I am.
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  Speaker 1: Nice and cool up there for this time of season, it's.
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  Speaker 2: Kind of always Yeah, it's like a lot of fog
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  Speaker 2: and a lot of mists and a lot of rain.
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  Speaker 1: But yeah, so does that to your writing then, because
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  Speaker 1: I'm very excited to find out more about the Cafe
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  Speaker 1: of Infinite Doors, because it's like one of those things
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  Speaker 1: is like where was her imagination when this idea came
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  Speaker 1: to her, and all of a sudden she believed in it.
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  Speaker 2: I actually started in San Francisco during the pandemic when
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  Speaker 2: everyone and their mothers started writing a book. So I
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  Speaker 2: was like in an apartment with three other people. My
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  Speaker 2: bedroom wasn't a real bedroom. There was no like soundproofing
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  Speaker 2: in the room that I was in, which was supposed
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  Speaker 2: to be a living room. So yeah, it was I
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  Speaker 2: kind of had to be in my own world to
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  Speaker 2: like isolate from the chaos of my apartment.
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  Speaker 1: You know what the secret is about soundproofing. Everybody thinks
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  Speaker 1: they have to put like soundproofing on the walls and
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  Speaker 1: all that kind of stuff. It's actually stuffed animals. That
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  Speaker 1: is the best kind of soundproofing you can get for
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  Speaker 1: any room because those animals absorb everything. To me, it's
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  Speaker 1: like walking through the cafe of infinite doors. When you
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  Speaker 1: up into the world with a bunch of stuffed animals,
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  Speaker 1: you're in a completely different atmosphere.
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  Speaker 2: If only I had known, I would have had to
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  Speaker 2: tape them to a glass wall, though, because my wall
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  Speaker 2: was like a door.
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  Speaker 1: Oh my god, Oh my god.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: I love this concept because you're challenging us as readers
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  Speaker 1: because we all enjoy fantasies, but you give us that
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  Speaker 1: opportunity to where it's not that we want to escape
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  Speaker 1: the world, but we do, but we want to come back.
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  Speaker 1: But the thing about it is we also want to
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  Speaker 1: come back to you, and you provide that safety, that comfort,
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  Speaker 1: that companionship.
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  Speaker 3: Thank you. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, I think there are people out there whose
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  Speaker 2: daily realities is grim enough that they would like to
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  Speaker 2: just escape. But I definitely wanted to create something where
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  Speaker 2: you can't just go there and stay there. You know,
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  Speaker 2: like you still do have to face your actual problems
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  Speaker 2: in the real world, but you get a little bit
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  Speaker 2: of respite as well and somewhere where you can just
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  Speaker 2: be yourself and like find friends who are like minded
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  Speaker 2: and you know, want the best for you.
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  Speaker 3: So yeah, it's good to be able to come and go,
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  Speaker 3: I think.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, because without having to carry the extra weight with us,
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  Speaker 1: you know, like a smartphone or something that says the
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  Speaker 1: headlines or this and all that kind of stuff. And
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  Speaker 1: that's what my wife and I both talked about that
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  Speaker 1: is it's like we step into your paragraphs and we
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  Speaker 1: just feel something that it's like, wow, this is what
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  Speaker 1: the authors of our Growing Up Years were all about
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  Speaker 1: they really did create an atmosphere and a place to
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  Speaker 1: go to that that we're gonna hold on to for
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  Speaker 1: a very long period of time.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, honestly, like escapism is where it's at these days.
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  Speaker 3: But it's nice.
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  Speaker 2: To have somewhere, you know, somewhere fictional that you feel
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  Speaker 2: like your brain can just retreat and like not be
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  Speaker 2: part of things for a little bit and you get
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  Speaker 2: to like rejuvenate and like sort of regenerate you know,
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  Speaker 2: your creativity and your happiness. So that's kind of the
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  Speaker 2: idea behind the cache.
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  Speaker 1: And with the infinite doors and things. Doesn't that also
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  Speaker 1: serve as a big character in the way that it's like, okay,
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  Speaker 1: because many people are afraid of doors. They won't walk
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  Speaker 1: through a door, they won't go beyond a door. But
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  Speaker 1: yet you give us an opportunity to really up into something.
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  Speaker 1: And I have to ask that question, is that for
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  Speaker 1: a regular person? Are you kind of designing a wall
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  Speaker 1: or a mountain? And you know, you know what I mean.
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  Speaker 1: It's it's like, because I just need a metaphor that says,
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  Speaker 1: this is a real door. It's not wooden, but it's something.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think doors sort of represent the unknown, right,
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  Speaker 2: and they represent a new opportunity, and you don't always
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  Speaker 2: know what's on the other side, and it does take
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  Speaker 2: like a little bit of bravery to be able to
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  Speaker 2: step through when you don't know what the results going
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  Speaker 2: to be. Just like anything, you know, any new project,
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  Speaker 2: any like new venture.
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  Speaker 3: You don't know what the results are going to be.
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  Speaker 3: But it takes a little bit of audacity to just try.
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  Speaker 2: So to me, that's like stepping through a door, right,
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  Speaker 2: So it checks out.
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  Speaker 1: Well, I'm a firm believer that we are in a
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  Speaker 1: world that's parallel to another world. I just keep going
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  Speaker 1: back and forth between the worlds, and I don't know
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  Speaker 1: how I got here. So I use your book for like,
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  Speaker 1: to be the needle in my haystack to figure out
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  Speaker 1: how I'm going to get back to where I think
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  Speaker 1: I was.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, that's a cool idea. I like that.
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  Speaker 1: And see, but that's I mean from the author and
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  Speaker 1: I And if you were to stand by me all
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  Speaker 1: you know, for twenty four hours, you would see how
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  Speaker 1: many times I keep telling people this is an author's
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  Speaker 1: world right now. You need to pay attention to these
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  Speaker 1: authors because they are writing things that are just that
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  Speaker 1: are just blowing our minds, and then they go on
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  Speaker 1: to make movies and that because it's it's an author's movie,
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  Speaker 1: a movie season is what it is.
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  Speaker 3: Hmm.
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  Speaker 2: Interesting, Yeah, I mean definitely real authors over AI for sure.
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  Speaker 3: I don't think.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, there's a reason why you know they're plagiarizing
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  Speaker 2: from all these different authors.
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  Speaker 3: Is like, you know, it takes a person to actually
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  Speaker 3: be able to.
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  Speaker 2: Invent something that that's immersive, I think anyways, But yeah,
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  Speaker 2: and I like the idea of like that's like reading
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  Speaker 2: is kind of like you're seeing the movie first, right,
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  Speaker 2: but the movie is in your head and and no
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  Speaker 2: other person who reads that same book is going to
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  Speaker 2: have the same idea of what that movie would look like.
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  Speaker 3: And I just think that's so cool.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, because and the thing about it is, though, I
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  Speaker 1: would love to sit with a book club sometime and say, so,
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  Speaker 1: what did his voice sound like to you while you
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  Speaker 1: were writing it? Because it's never the same thing for
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  Speaker 1: two people in the same room.
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  Speaker 2: Totally, totally, which is also why it was interesting having,
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  Speaker 2: I say, recording the audiobook, I didn't record it.
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  Speaker 3: The voice actor did.
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  Speaker 2: Barry Kramik, But it was really fun sort of collaborating
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  Speaker 2: with her and listening to the final result, because like, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: I've written it with a certain tone in my head,
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  Speaker 2: and obviously no one can replicate what's in my brain,
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  Speaker 2: because how do you express what's in your brain other
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  Speaker 2: than just what's on the page. So yeah, it's fun
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  Speaker 2: to hear different interpretations of the same text. You know,
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  Speaker 2: you would think there's only one way to interpret one
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  Speaker 2: thing that's written, but that's so it's actually so much
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  Speaker 2: more varied than that.
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  Speaker 1: I love the way that you started things off today
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  Speaker 1: by saying that you were just north of San Francisco,
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  Speaker 1: because San Francisco is part of this story. And the
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  Speaker 1: thing is is that I was recently there, and it's
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  Speaker 1: like what they're putting in the press compared to what
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  Speaker 1: you're putting in this book two completely different things. And
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  Speaker 1: I love you for that because it's like you're because
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  Speaker 1: San Francisco it's not losing its energy. The spark is
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  Speaker 1: still there. The authors are writing about it, and you know,
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  Speaker 1: you know, even in a book about infinite doors, it's
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  Speaker 1: still writing about the San Francisco that we've fallen in
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  Speaker 1: love with.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, it's still there.
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  Speaker 2: You just tough to look a little harder, you know,
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  Speaker 2: and like obviously, yes, there are parts of town that
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  Speaker 2: have become you know, a little bit dystopian looking and
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  Speaker 2: that really sucks. But underneath it all, like the neighborhoods
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  Speaker 2: are still there, people are still creating. I think that
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  Speaker 2: energy that everyone knows from the sixties and seventies, like
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  Speaker 2: it's hibernating and it will come back.
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  Speaker 1: With your experience in improv, Doesn't that open up the
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  Speaker 1: door for our imaginations because it feels like that It's
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  Speaker 1: it's like it's happening in that moment of now. It's
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  Speaker 1: like you didn't go back fifty thousand times as a
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  Speaker 1: perfectionist any race it to perfect it. It's like it's
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  Speaker 1: happening as we're reading it. It's like, wow, this is like,
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  Speaker 1: this is why I can't put the dang thing down.
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  Speaker 3: Thank you.
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  Speaker 2: First of all, well, yeah, I mean I hope that's
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  Speaker 2: the experience for the reader. It's funny because improv is
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  Speaker 2: like my spontaneous social creative outlet, and writing is like
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  Speaker 2: my introverted, nitty gritty you know, over what's the world
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  Speaker 2: Like just like really deep dive creative outlet.
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  Speaker 3: Right, So, like I get to satisfy that part of.
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  Speaker 2: Me that just wants to like immerse myself into a
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  Speaker 2: thing and just live in that world that no one
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  Speaker 2: else is there, and I could just create it and
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  Speaker 2: hope it's as atmospheric as possible, whereas in improv, you know,
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  Speaker 2: you don't have the time to go back and edit
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  Speaker 2: a thousand times. You're just like, well, whatever's coming out
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  Speaker 2: of my mouth, that's what it is. But it's fun
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  Speaker 2: having both of those things to play off of. And
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  Speaker 2: I think I think every human needs creativity, even people
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  Speaker 2: who say, oh, I'm not creative, that's a lie.
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  Speaker 3: Everyone's creative.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, And that's the reason why that I created View
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  Speaker 1: from the Writing Instrument on iHeartRadio, because you know as
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  Speaker 1: well as I do that, Yes, we do have published
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  Speaker 1: books out there, but there are writers right now that
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  Speaker 1: have those books underneath their bed or they're in addicts
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  Speaker 1: in boxes, and it's going to be the family that's
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  Speaker 1: going to be finding it and they need people just
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  Speaker 1: like yourself to say I can do this. If she's
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  Speaker 1: gonna write about this world, I'm gonna write like this
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  Speaker 1: world too. Because we're all inspired by those that we
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  Speaker 1: once read. It's a continuation of what we were inspired by.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, totally.
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  Speaker 2: I think everything I've ever you know, read and watched
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  Speaker 2: or consumed with my ears, you know, goes into the
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  Speaker 2: melting pot of things that inspire me.
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  Speaker 3: And then when it's time to write, you.
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  Speaker 2: Know, I get to sort of sift through the information
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  Speaker 2: as are really sparking something. And I mean that's how
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  Speaker 2: Dinador's was created.
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  Speaker 1: So were you in a cafe were you thinking about
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  Speaker 1: San Francisco? Because to me, that's what I loved about
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  Speaker 1: San Francisco at night is going into those little cafes
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  Speaker 1: and seeing these people that, oh my god, the twins.
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  Speaker 1: They're famous twins, and I'm going, I don't know who
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  Speaker 1: they are, and but yet you know, if you've never
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  Speaker 1: been here to this cafe before, then you've got to
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  Speaker 1: know that who they are. And then then you start
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  Speaker 1: taking little pieces parts from every cafe.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, cafe culture, I think is just sort of
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  Speaker 2: in my bones. I actually grew up above my parents cafe,
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  Speaker 2: and so you know, I was always there and so
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  Speaker 2: I just that's the environment I feel comfortable, and so
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  Speaker 2: definitely that was part of it. Also, like a big
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  Speaker 2: chunk of the book takes place in Scotland and I
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  Speaker 2: did my Yeah, and I did my masters in Edinburgh,
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  Speaker 2: so that was there.
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  Speaker 3: You know.
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  Speaker 2: I feel like everything I've lived in experience sort of
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  Speaker 2: amalgamated into this book. And it's by no means autobiographical,
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  Speaker 2: Like obviously it's fiction, it's fantasy, but definitely all the
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  Speaker 2: things that I love sort of coalesced into it.
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  Speaker 1: You know what's so interesting about that is that when
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  Speaker 1: you talk about that, it takes place in Scotland, and
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  Speaker 1: yet as a reader, I didn't, you know, because when
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  Speaker 1: I do have the opportunity to talk with people from Scotland,
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  Speaker 1: it's very difficult to go through the accent and listen
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  Speaker 1: to it. I didn't feel any difficulty at all reading
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  Speaker 1: your book. I knew where I was, but yet you
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  Speaker 1: presented it in a way to where it's open for everybody.
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  Speaker 1: Everybody can come in, get into the story, take that
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  Speaker 1: mental trip, and do that journey with you.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: I just added like a little flavor for certain words,
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  Speaker 2: but I definitely wanted, like any speaker of English, to
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  Speaker 2: be able to understand what was going on.
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  Speaker 3: And uh yeah.
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  Speaker 2: I also I didn't explicitly want to say this is Scotland,
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  Speaker 2: because I, I you know, challenged myself to be able
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  Speaker 2: to use enough of the flavor to make it.
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  Speaker 3: Obvious right without being explicit.
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  Speaker 1: And I feel like it worked, So yeah, please do
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  Speaker 1: not move. There's more with Zara Mariel coming up next,
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  Speaker 1: the name of the book, The Cafe of Infinite Doors.
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  Speaker 1: We are back with Zara Maril. What is your writing discipline?
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  Speaker 1: Because when you step into a world like this, I
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  Speaker 1: don't want to come out. So I mean, as a writer,
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  Speaker 1: why how did you even figure out your way to come?
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  Speaker 1: Did you drop breadcrumbs on the path?
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  Speaker 3: Trust me, I don't want to come out either.
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  Speaker 2: I you know, I outline, and I'll go over my
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  Speaker 2: outline a bazillion times with various critique partners and friends,
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  Speaker 2: and then you know, inevitably, once I start writing, I
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  Speaker 2: will diverge from that outline and be mad about it,
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  Speaker 2: and then you know, there's a new version. And then
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  Speaker 2: I make a new outline and I kind of go
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  Speaker 2: back and forth of recalibrating until finally I'm like, why
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  Speaker 2: do I have an outline?
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  Speaker 3: I'm writing the thing anyways. So I go through that
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  Speaker 3: every time I write a book.
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  Speaker 2: This is my debut, my first book published, but I've
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  Speaker 2: written other books that weren't published, and uh yeah, inevitably
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  Speaker 2: it's sort of a fight with myself about like trying
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  Speaker 2: to control the story, and then that part of me
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  Speaker 2: that cannot be controlled that just takes over and it's
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  Speaker 2: just like, no, no, no, this is what's happening, regardless
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  Speaker 2: of if it's what you planned.
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  Speaker 1: I'm totally wrong here, but I'm gonna I'm gonna take
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  Speaker 1: a shout at it anyway. I just picture you with
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  Speaker 1: this gigantic writing instrument with a tablet, and you're and
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  Speaker 1: you're writing out these outlines and that that when you
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  Speaker 1: go and see your friends, your critique circle and stuff
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  Speaker 1: that you're whipping that that that that notebook out and
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  Speaker 1: you're sitting there and you're reading from a going God,
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  Speaker 1: what did I say? What was this word? I can't
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  Speaker 1: read my handwriting. I'm wrong, aren't I mean.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, sometimes sometimes that's what it looks like. I do
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  Speaker 2: like to write by hand for like a first draft.
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  Speaker 2: I feel like it just flows better, you know, Like,
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  Speaker 2: and I have so many notebooks. I have like this
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  Speaker 2: tupperware under my bed of like probably I don't know,
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  Speaker 2: thirty notebooks and like satisfying, you know. I think it's
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  Speaker 2: sad that there's some people out there now who don't
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  Speaker 2: write by hand anymore.
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  Speaker 3: I'm like, no, this is the skill that we need
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  Speaker 3: to keep.
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  Speaker 1: That's like when you shake my hand, when you see
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  Speaker 1: ink on the palm of my hand, please do not
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  Speaker 1: back away. That means I wrote today. He oh my god,
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  Speaker 1: he's got ink on his palm. Yeah, I wrote today.
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  Speaker 1: That's that's my little signal, right there, I earn that ink.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's a badge of pride, for sure.
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  Speaker 2: It is.
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  Speaker 1: So then you turn it into a series now, because
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  Speaker 1: I mean I tried to do that, and I'm going,
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  Speaker 1: why would you keep it from people? Maybe that's just
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  Speaker 1: the radio guy coming out in me, because I mean,
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  Speaker 1: you're doing now as readers were going, Okay, give me more,
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  Speaker 1: give me more, give me more, give me more.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know.
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  Speaker 2: I never intended The Cafe of Infinite Doors to be
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  Speaker 2: a series, but I like to think it has series potential.
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  Speaker 2: Obviously not going to create any spoilers for people who
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  Speaker 2: haven't read it, but like, I think the ending is
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  Speaker 2: open enough that a reader could see where other opportunities
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  Speaker 2: could pop up.
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  Speaker 3: So it's not in my plans.
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  Speaker 2: Right now, I've written something actually completely different next that
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  Speaker 2: hopefully I'll.
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  Speaker 3: Get a deal for but who knows.
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  Speaker 2: But yeah, I feel like I feel like the character
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  Speaker 2: has places she could go after this, So yeah, never
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  Speaker 2: say never.
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  Speaker 1: So now, when when you're writing these stories, do you
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  Speaker 1: think of a soundtrack in the background, because it's one
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  Speaker 1: of those things. Is a more author say, you know,
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  Speaker 1: I didn't know that it was going to become a
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  Speaker 1: movie or a binge watch. But when I'm listening to this,
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  Speaker 1: or actually when i'm listening to it, when i'm reading it,
• 14:51
  Speaker 1: in my mind, I'm hearing this new duo called Simmons
• 14:54
  Speaker 1: and Spring, same harmony in your words, and your storyline
• 14:58
  Speaker 1: is you take me forward?
• 15:00
  Speaker 2: Oh I honestly I'm writing down the name of that
• 15:03
  Speaker 2: band because I wasn't aware of them.
• 15:07
  Speaker 3: I mean, I don't.
• 15:09
  Speaker 2: I wish I could say that I have like a
• 15:11
  Speaker 2: soundtrack in my brain because I just think that's such
• 15:13
  Speaker 2: a cool concept. But honestly, I mean, for the ancient
• 15:16
  Speaker 2: Scottish parts, I've always got like a you know, a
• 15:19
  Speaker 2: little bit of you know, Scottish melodies, sort of haunting
• 15:23
  Speaker 2: Scottish melodies going on in my brain. But for the
• 15:26
  Speaker 2: modern day one, honestly, like not really I just think
• 15:30
  Speaker 2: of like background cafe music, like it's not too obtrusive,
• 15:34
  Speaker 2: it's not taking the focus, but it's just sort of
• 15:37
  Speaker 2: like there because I find that soundtrack comforting, you know.
• 15:41
  Speaker 2: Like one thing I can't stand is when I go
• 15:43
  Speaker 2: to a cafe and the music's too loud and then
• 15:45
  Speaker 2: I can't actually focus on what I came for.
• 15:47
  Speaker 3: But yeah, but I did.
• 15:49
  Speaker 2: I don't have like a really strong idea of what
• 15:52
  Speaker 2: the soundtrack would be like, which is too bad because
• 15:55
  Speaker 2: you know, it's really convenient for making a little promotional
• 15:58
  Speaker 2: Instagram posts when you really know what it's say.
• 16:00
  Speaker 1: Is did you find yourself? Because Julia Cameron would always
• 16:04
  Speaker 1: say that, you know, go take your artist self out
• 16:05
  Speaker 1: there and make sure that you and do it, you know,
• 16:08
  Speaker 1: put yourself in a position where you're enduring what the
• 16:10
  Speaker 1: book is all about. Were you writing in a cafe
• 16:13
  Speaker 1: or you just relying on what being above your parents' cafe?
• 16:16
  Speaker 2: Oh, I definitely, yeah, I definitely love to write in cafes,
• 16:19
  Speaker 2: and I haven't lived above my parents' cafe since I
• 16:21
  Speaker 2: was a child. But like, yeah, I really actually the
• 16:25
  Speaker 2: environment of being in a cafe for writing is wonderful
• 16:28
  Speaker 2: because you've got all these conversations happening.
• 16:31
  Speaker 3: Around you, and you can pilfer from them and you can.
• 16:33
  Speaker 2: Be inspired and like listen to like the the cadences
• 16:37
  Speaker 2: of the way people are talking and stuff, and then
• 16:39
  Speaker 2: you can zoom in on your own thoughts. And it's
• 16:41
  Speaker 2: kind of I like being able to zoom in and
• 16:43
  Speaker 2: zoom out. You know, I'm zooming into my computer, I'm
• 16:45
  Speaker 2: zooming out to the conversations around me, and it feels
• 16:49
  Speaker 2: more like I'm participating with the world than when I
• 16:51
  Speaker 2: write alone in my office.
• 16:53
  Speaker 3: So I do like that.
• 16:55
  Speaker 1: Do you feel like that you're holding a secret? Because
• 16:57
  Speaker 1: I mean it's like when I go into Barnes and
• 16:58
  Speaker 1: Noble because they have a Starbucks in there. I'll sit
• 17:00
  Speaker 1: there while I'm writing, or I'll even do a podcast
• 17:02
  Speaker 1: in there, and I'll look around the room, going, you
• 17:04
  Speaker 1: guys have no clue. You have no clue who we're reaching,
• 17:08
  Speaker 1: and we're reaching around the world as that author. Do
• 17:11
  Speaker 1: you go through the same thing.
• 17:13
  Speaker 2: Yeah, definitely, And especially when I'm in a bookstore, like
• 17:17
  Speaker 2: it's fun to like walk around and be like, every
• 17:19
  Speaker 2: single one of these books is a person like me
• 17:22
  Speaker 2: who toiled and toiled and toiled over this task, yep,
• 17:25
  Speaker 2: and finally got the result that somebody was like, we
• 17:28
  Speaker 2: will publish this, and now it is on a shelf
• 17:30
  Speaker 2: and I'm just like, it.
• 17:32
  Speaker 3: Feels good to have achieved that. And it's yeah, it's like.
• 17:36
  Speaker 2: A fun secret knowing that every one of those books
• 17:39
  Speaker 2: represents a person like me who who just really believed
• 17:42
  Speaker 2: in a crazy little idea and allowed it to grow
• 17:45
  Speaker 2: into something. And you know, it takes so much time
• 17:48
  Speaker 2: and effort and like so many hours to write a book.
• 17:52
  Speaker 3: And it's not just the first draft.
• 17:55
  Speaker 2: You know, You've got so many drafts and so many
• 17:57
  Speaker 2: things you got to go back and change and.
• 17:59
  Speaker 3: Oh, now there's a p so we got to fill it.
• 18:01
  Speaker 2: And you're constantly filling holes and the dirt that you
• 18:05
  Speaker 2: take to fill those holes is creating new holes. And
• 18:08
  Speaker 2: it's just like an endless process of hole filling. But
• 18:11
  Speaker 2: it's really satisfying at the end.
• 18:13
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you just gave me a better picture. I'm being
• 18:17
  Speaker 1: an artist and being an author. We do crazy stuff.
• 18:19
  Speaker 1: And my current crazy thing is I buried a writing
• 18:22
  Speaker 1: instrument in this force that I live in because I
• 18:24
  Speaker 1: believe the holes that you're talking about, the dirt that
• 18:26
  Speaker 1: you're talking about they speak to us, and this time around,
• 18:29
  Speaker 1: I'm going, all right, if you're speaking to me, you
• 18:32
  Speaker 1: speak to this writing instrument, and then I'm gonna use
• 18:34
  Speaker 1: it one day, but it's gonna be your words and
• 18:36
  Speaker 1: not my words. So no, I totally get where you're
• 18:38
  Speaker 1: coming from.
• 18:40
  Speaker 3: That's really cool.
• 18:41
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like you're passing the torch along and you know,
• 18:43
  Speaker 2: who knows how the next person's gonna use it. But
• 18:46
  Speaker 2: we all have our different sparks and creativity that lend
• 18:49
  Speaker 2: flavor to this.
• 18:50
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's really cool. I love that.
• 18:51
  Speaker 1: Wow. How can people get in touch with you? And
• 18:54
  Speaker 1: is there merch involved? Because this writing Somewhere along the line,
• 18:58
  Speaker 1: there's gonna have to be some T shirts and things
• 19:00
  Speaker 1: because I just I just feel it. There's just something here.
• 19:04
  Speaker 3: Well, thanks for your confidence.
• 19:06
  Speaker 2: I don't really have merch, but people can definitely follow
• 19:09
  Speaker 2: me on Instagram. It's at Zormril z A R A
• 19:14
  Speaker 2: M A R I E L L E. I've got
• 19:16
  Speaker 2: a website zorril dot com. Yeah, and they can buy
• 19:21
  Speaker 2: the book.
• 19:21
  Speaker 3: That's the number one thing really so true.
• 19:24
  Speaker 1: That's true, and talk about it. That's the thing about
• 19:27
  Speaker 1: talk about it. You don't have to be in a
• 19:28
  Speaker 1: book club in order to talk about a book. If
• 19:30
  Speaker 1: you're at a grocery store, talk about, Hey, here's this
• 19:32
  Speaker 1: latest book I'm reading. This is what I'm doing this summer.
• 19:35
  Speaker 2: Yeah, there is nothing more helpful than a word of
• 19:38
  Speaker 2: mouth recommendation, because you know somebody that you know and trust,
• 19:42
  Speaker 2: like is vouching for this thing, and like, you know,
• 19:45
  Speaker 2: I have so many books on my shelf that I
• 19:47
  Speaker 2: want to read, but I prioritize the ones that my
• 19:49
  Speaker 2: friends are like, Oh, trust me, you would like this one,
• 19:51
  Speaker 2: you know.
• 19:52
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: See that's how Candle changed my life. All of a sudden.
• 19:54
  Speaker 1: I had twelve books I'm reading. Yeah, let's make it fifteen.
• 19:57
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, and I'll go in there and I'll get
• 19:59
  Speaker 1: I'll get just enough jump to the next book, and
• 20:01
  Speaker 1: people go, how do you compartmentalize everything? I don't know,
• 20:04
  Speaker 1: but I'm getting it.
• 20:05
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm with them.
• 20:06
  Speaker 2: I think I need I can do two stories at
• 20:08
  Speaker 2: a time, one audio in my ears and one visual
• 20:11
  Speaker 2: in my eyes.
• 20:12
  Speaker 3: That's my limit.
• 20:13
  Speaker 1: Oh my god. Well, you got to come back to
• 20:16
  Speaker 1: this show anytime in the future. The door is always
• 20:18
  Speaker 1: going to be open for you.
• 20:20
  Speaker 3: Thank you. I appreciate it. Yeah, This was really fun.
• 20:22
  Speaker 3: Thanks for talking to me.
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: Will you be brilliant today? Okay, thank you you too.
• 20:27
  Speaker 2: Thank you