Latest / For Azeroth!: A World of Warcraft Podcast / #323 - For Azeroth!: "Take a Number"
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- 0:00Maybe you'll get the loot that much faster because you got EP
- 0:03mcsween up on your raid. I've done a dungeon with him,
- 0:07he's actually pretty good at mechanics.
- 0:09He's a blowhard. We don't need him.
- 0:12Victory for the Forsaken. For Lauderon for the Karen tour
- 0:19for. Pandaria.
- 0:23For calendar to the. Burning region for Gilnaeus or
- 0:29has not died for the Lich king for the.
- 0:34Sindora for the alliance. For the horn for Azeroth.
- 0:42Hello and welcome back to another episode of For Azeroth.
- 0:46I am one of your hosts, Manny, and of joining me is of course
- 0:50the other two parts of The Triumphant.
- 0:52Of course, joining us first is Lex.
- 0:54Lex, how is the World of Warcraft treating you this week?
- 0:57It's been treating me well. I have really dug into delves
- 1:01again this week and in fact this week I had the thought, you
- 1:05know, I don't actually have to do M plus for this entire season
- 1:09if I don't want to. And I like felt my body relax.
- 1:15So looks like I'm not doing M plus this season but that's OK
- 1:18because I have my fun little delves to gear through and get
- 1:20my hero gear and I get to Bob with my raid and have a good
- 1:24time. OK.
- 1:26OK. And you're, I know you had done
- 1:298 and I think you had tried an 11 last week.
- 1:32Are you still doing around there?
- 1:33I tried a nine. Isn't it hard?
- 1:38You guys are right, they're tough, but I did like having a
- 1:41little bit more challenge. I will also say the undertaker
- 1:44is wait, no, not the the underpin.
- 1:47The underpin, excuse me, man's tricky.
- 1:50He has so many ads it's crazy. So we're going to keep working
- 1:54on that, but. It's not the.
- 1:56So that's going to be question mark, not double question mark,
- 1:58OK. Yeah.
- 1:59Just question Mark. No, no.
- 2:01I started with double question mark.
- 2:02I was like, I bet I can do this. I bet it's not as hard as people
- 2:04were saying. And then I went back out and was
- 2:06like, I'm going to do this on one question mark.
- 2:07I bet I can do that. That's probably not as hard as
- 2:09people are saying. And then I went out and I'm
- 2:11like, I'm going to gear a little more and then we'll try again.
- 2:14Got it, got it. And where are you in your gear
- 2:17progression? I am up to 641.
- 2:21I have 0 jewellery from this season though, so both of my
- 2:25rings and my necklace are 619. Season 1 little grey text and I
- 2:30really got to figure out crafting and I've never crafted
- 2:33anything in my life and I'm broke as a joke so I'm probably
- 2:36not actually going to figure out crafting.
- 2:37But I got it. I got it because I really should
- 2:40not be at this point in the game with no necklace and no rings
- 2:43for this season. But maybe next of all.
- 2:47OK, I mean, necks are hard to come by this season.
- 2:50I actually did a search through and looked at all the things.
- 2:53It's just like there's barely any neck drops the dungeon pool
- 2:57cause like we've got dungeons from BFA, right?
- 3:00Which means no necks there. And there are literally 22IN all
- 3:07of the dungeon pools. And then in the raid, I think
- 3:10there's two for me. It's, it's, it's pretty, pretty
- 3:14vicious. So you're, you're not alone.
- 3:17I've crafted a neck and I'm going to be re crafting a neck
- 3:20as soon as I get a enough of the concentration to do the earthen
- 3:26crafted. Cause I've been making that neck
- 3:28for everybody else. And now I know why.
- 3:32Yeah. Let's get an order from me,
- 3:33Manny. That's why there.
- 3:35You go, you just let me know. I can.
- 3:36I can do some Joel crafting. I'll jump into your guilt for a
- 3:38little bit quickly. Make it for you.
- 3:41You're broke as a joke, so this will be a labor of love, not
- 3:43profit. I have some money, I have like
- 3:4650,000 gold I think. Not even my of all my war band,
- 3:51not even the lowest salt has only 50K.
- 3:54Anyways, going over to somebody who might also be a little bit
- 3:58broke as a joke because it is that that part of going through
- 4:02progression and so forth. Sean, hello, how are you and
- 4:06how's the World of Warcraft been treating you?
- 4:08Warcraft's been great. I'm actually pretty flushed this
- 4:10season. I did a bunch of farming at the
- 4:12end of last season once we wrapped up everything, so I
- 4:16haven't had to buy a token yet. So there you go Manny.
- 4:20I'm sitting on an easy 4 to 500 K rich there.
- 4:25You go, there you go. That's that's pretty solid
- 4:28there. Yeah, Warcraft's been great.
- 4:30I we killed Sticks Bunk Junker on NA last week.
- 4:36It was a pretty good kill. The team did really well and
- 4:38then we got Sprocketmonger lock and stock, first of his name,
- 4:42King of the Andals to 31%. I want to say no 34%.
- 4:51And then on EU, I read on EU as well.
- 4:53We, we got AOTC on Sunday, which is it's an AOTC Guild that I'm
- 4:57in on EU because I couldn't possibly maintain 2 mythic
- 5:00rating characters on two different regions.
- 5:03And that was a lot of fun. That team did great.
- 5:05So we're in the postseason for them, which means I can start my
- 5:08gold farm early over there. We're only one month in.
- 5:10I got about 5 months of of herbing and mining to do so
- 5:14that's pretty good. So I should be good for gold for
- 5:16a bit. It's tough one of you because I
- 5:17can't buy tokens there. I'm a big big fan of the token
- 5:20purchase, but because I have an NAB net account, I can't
- 5:24purchase EU tokens. I would have to change the
- 5:27region of my B net, which would then mean I couldn't buy NA
- 5:30tokens. So I am restricted to only
- 5:33getting gold in EU by farming. Wait, how hard is it to change
- 5:39your region though? Like could you just like do that
- 5:41on like a daily basis anytime you wanted to?
- 5:43I'm going. To be honest with you, I don't
- 5:44know, but it's a minor annoyance, which means it's
- 5:47beyond the scope that I'm willing to consider that's.
- 5:49Entirely fair. It's actually impossible.
- 5:52Yeah, I, we tried to change the faucet in our bathtub on
- 5:57Saturday. Honestly wanted to put a we have
- 6:00like a one of those cast iron claw foot bathtubs and it just
- 6:03had a faucet like a like a what do you spell it?
- 6:06And. You rub oil?
- 6:06Yeah, we rub oil on it. Yeah.
- 6:08You got to get them. You got to season them.
- 6:09You got to be. And so she wanted a wanted like
- 6:12a shower nozzle on there and put a shocker around it.
- 6:17To swap a faucet in a bathroom like that, because it's open,
- 6:19it's. It should be as easy as you undo
- 6:22the compression nuts that are currently on the faucet.
- 6:25Take the two lock nuts off. Pull the faucet open, put the
- 6:27new faucet in, lock nuts on. Reattach the compressor nuts.
- 6:30Bob, Compression nuts. Bob's your uncle.
- 6:33It was not that easy for us. It was 6 1/2 hours.
- 6:36One of the compression nuts was bent.
- 6:39At one point there was water spraying all over the back of
- 6:41the wall when we tried to see if we had put them on right.
- 6:45I then attempted to get it to stop dripping.
- 6:47I have multiple bruises and four cuts and we ended up calling a
- 6:52plumber who came on Monday and at that point we were so
- 6:57frustrated with the new shower nozzle that we put in that we
- 7:00asked him just to put the old one in.
- 7:02So I spent this weekend $230 on a new shower faucet for our
- 7:08bathtub and then $125.00 to have a plumber put it all back the
- 7:12way it was before we started. Which for those keeping a score
- 7:16at home, is what Anjali suggested we do on Saturday
- 7:19morning. She said, why don't we just get
- 7:21an attachment on the wall with a little claw and I'll just
- 7:24because the one we have up there now has like a, one of those
- 7:27handheld things with a hose. She's like, I'll just hang it up
- 7:29on there. She's the one that's here.
- 7:29I'll just hang it up. And I was like, no, no, no, we
- 7:31got to get you a nice one. We have.
- 7:32It's going to be easy. It's going to be so easy.
- 7:35Anyway, Warcraft great. I'm.
- 7:38Really glad Angela is back. Yeah, I'm glad she's back too.
- 7:42You know, I'm glad she's back. But while she was gone, there
- 7:46was no plumbers required in this house.
- 7:51And I believe pretty soon you're going to be hopping across the
- 7:54pond. Yeah.
- 7:55May I fly out May 7th for LFG 2 and that runs May 10th and 11th.
- 8:04And I can't announce it yet because they haven't announced
- 8:10it yet, but there will be a special recruiter friend episode
- 8:14recorded live on scene with somebody that is very cool.
- 8:23Oh, is it me? It is.
- 8:24It could be you. No it.
- 8:25Couldn't because I'm going to be in.
- 8:27Boss, but I can't. But I can't say who it is, but
- 8:31it's, it's, I'm pretty excited about it.
- 8:33I'm really looking forward to to talking to this person.
- 8:39They have mirrors at home. If you want to talk to somebody,
- 8:41cool, you don't have to fly out. That's true.
- 8:43I'm talking to two cool people right now.
- 8:44Yeah. And I'm in the conversation too.
- 8:48So I'm glad that World of Warcraft is going well for you
- 8:52guys. That progression is going well
- 8:55in delves and rating and so forth.
- 8:58But one thing that has been hitting the servers is a number
- 9:04of hot fixes for not delves, not raids, but the dungeons.
- 9:11And I'm. I'm glad to see these hot fixes.
- 9:14I'm glad to see them constantly changing things.
- 9:16Last week we had fortified, but it was like OG fortified, not
- 9:22the regular fortified. Instead of getting the nice 20%
- 9:25health buff, the these guys were packing more punch than usual
- 9:30and Blizzard took some time, realized oops that was a mistake
- 9:36and we got the proper fortified back.
- 9:38And I'm glad for that. Were you doing dungeons quick
- 9:43enough for this, or did this elude your your sights there,
- 9:47Sean? I mean, I had been doing
- 9:49dungeons since this this, this bug was in place for the whole
- 9:52start. Like this has been in place
- 9:53since start of the season. So everybody was doing them
- 9:58harder than they should have been, and they feel a lot easier
- 10:02now. Pull sizes have increased.
- 10:05Get ready for those MDI pulls. Lex.
- 10:08I can't believe I have to just ask this.
- 10:10This is the best Mythic Plus season I think I've ever played
- 10:14in terms of both accessibility and fun, and this is the season
- 10:19you're choosing to quit. Yeah, So I, so first of all, I
- 10:23think Mythic Plus is I, I, I want to be really clear, that
- 10:26was not me saying other people should also quit Mythic Plus.
- 10:29The only argument I would like to make from that is to remember
- 10:33that this is a video game that exists for fun.
- 10:35And if there's anything in this video game that's not fun for
- 10:37you, just don't. Just don't do it.
- 10:39Simply don't. It it the why why it's it to to
- 10:42be clear, if you are a professional World of Warcraft
- 10:44player, don't listen to me. Listen to your boss.
- 10:46Then you do do all the hard stuff.
- 10:48You're getting paid for it. I do hard stuff at work.
- 10:50I mean not as hard as what you do probably, but I do stupid
- 10:52things that I hate at work and it's the job.
- 10:54That's why you're making money. But if you are not getting paid
- 10:56for World of Warcraft, it's a poopa doopa doopa video game.
- 11:00Have a good time. I so mythic plus hits this
- 11:08perfect in between spot for me. We're like in a raid.
- 11:12I don't feel like everyone's looking at me and I'm like
- 11:15everyone knows when I'm doing a bad job because there's a
- 11:17million other people. It's fun, right?
- 11:18Even when I was a healer, there's a bunch of other people.
- 11:21It's no big you tank a little bit.
- 11:22I felt like I but that's, you know, whatever it's there's two
- 11:25of them. They'll figure it out.
- 11:27If I die, then the other tank gets cool because he gets to
- 11:29kill the boss on his own. Everyone's like, oh, Kirk,
- 11:32you're so good, you know, who cares?
- 11:34I was actually I was trying to make Kirk look good.
- 11:36So raid. I feel like I can kind of blacks
- 11:38and vibe with my friends and just hoop like, you know, not
- 11:41stress delves. Obviously it is me in a room and
- 11:46I am bopping right along and we're having a good time and
- 11:48everything is great. And so, you know, who cares?
- 11:50Nobody's looking at me. We're having we're having fun
- 11:55and plus I feel like everyone is looking at me and I feel like,
- 11:58especially because all of my friends are really experienced
- 12:00mythic plus players, I like every time things are going
- 12:03badly, I feel like it is my fault And I am like, everyone is
- 12:06just taking this like horrible carry.
- 12:08So like, you know, to to power through and like everyone's like
- 12:12having a bad time and they could be having a good time if they
- 12:14were playing with anyone else, but they're playing with me.
- 12:15He's having a bad time. So mythic plus has always been a
- 12:18little bit overly like more stressful for me.
- 12:20And I felt very like observed and like even even outside.
- 12:24And I want to be really clear. This is I none of my friends
- 12:27have ever made me feel like a bad carrier.
- 12:28My friends are incredible. They're wonderful.
- 12:29They just want to play with me. I know that in my thought brain,
- 12:32I know that in my feeling brain, I feel like an asshole.
- 12:34Sorry, Manny, but so for like even beyond that, like I just, I
- 12:41feel like everyone can see when I make a mistake in mythic plus
- 12:44in a way that I don't really feel enraged because there's so
- 12:46many more people and I don't feel in doubt because they're
- 12:48zero people. So mythic plus is always tough
- 12:52for me. And then this tier, there's, you
- 12:54know, gestures vaguely, the happenings of the world that
- 12:58have my anxiety up. And also everything that I do
- 13:02has to compete against the other option, which is sitting on a
- 13:05couch while a little puppy snuggles her little body into me
- 13:07and looks at me with more love than I've ever seen anyone look
- 13:09at me in my life. So anything that like doesn't
- 13:13bring more joy like then a little puppy look and snuggling
- 13:17up at me and looking at me with more love than I've ever seen
- 13:19anyone look at me in my life. It it's just, it doesn't feel as
- 13:22good, right? So this season in particular, I
- 13:28have found that the stressors of mythic plus are not outweighing.
- 13:33I'm sorry, the the stressors are outweighing the joy for me.
- 13:38And I would just rather have a slow little tier where it takes
- 13:42me a while to gear. But I'm bopping through my, you
- 13:44know, couple delves every week. I'm getting my keys in and then
- 13:48I'm going in a rating with all my besties.
- 13:49We're having a fun little time. We're chatting, chatting,
- 13:51chatting away and nobody's looking at me because there's a
- 13:52million people and I spend the other nights snuggling with my
- 13:55little puppy. Yeah, you had me a puppy.
- 13:58I get it. You're also going to have
- 13:59horrific visions in 11 point 1.5 which are also solo content and
- 14:04they come with a friend from Sora Dormy so and they drop
- 14:07heroic tier gear so I'm sorry Heroic track gear.
- 14:11I'm going to be the geared out most geared out person in my
- 14:14guilt. Yeah, there you go.
- 14:15All right. You know what, Lex?
- 14:16You're right. You should quit this season.
- 14:19Hell yeah. And again, I'm not saying that
- 14:22Mythic Plus is bad. First of all, everything that I
- 14:25said is ridiculous. Can I first say that I know that
- 14:27every single thing I said about Mythic Plus and everyone
- 14:29watching me and feeling that I care, that's stupid.
- 14:31That's dumb. If you feel that way, you're
- 14:33wrong. That's not how it goes.
- 14:34That's not how anyone feels. And if they do feel like that,
- 14:36they're an idiot. All of the mistakes are your
- 14:38fault, but nobody cares. Yeah, exactly.
- 14:40That's true. That's true.
- 14:43But so if, if, if what you want right now is somebody to tell
- 14:47you no, no, no, it's actually OK, you should do Mythic.
- 14:50Plus good kind people will want to play with you.
- 14:53Even if you're learning. It's OK to learn.
- 14:55It's OK to make mistakes. No biggie.
- 14:57If it is a biggie to somebody, they're a jerk and you should
- 14:59cut them out of your life. I've heard that's so true.
- 15:02Everything that I just said is 100% correct.
- 15:04Go do mythic plus have fun. If what you want is somebody to
- 15:07tell you it's a, it's a silly little video game and if
- 15:09anything is not making you feel good in it right now, it's OK to
- 15:11just decide that's not a thing you're going to do.
- 15:13Whether that's mythic plus, whether that's raid, whether
- 15:15that's grind gold obviously is another one that I don't do.
- 15:19Whether that's Delve, babe, I got you.
- 15:21Don't do the bad. Don't do things that feel bad in
- 15:23a silly video game. It's silly video game.
- 15:25Go have fun with your silly video games and boop, boop,
- 15:28boop, boop. Have fun.
- 15:29Anyway, that's my take of the day.
- 15:34So I think, yeah, if you're enjoying dolls and you're like
- 15:39finding your love in that, like it's it's a good path.
- 15:42And we had the conversation a couple episodes back, right
- 15:45about the items that you can get from there and the gearing you
- 15:48can get from there. And if you're ALT focused, that
- 15:52will get you some pieces to fill in slots and such.
- 15:56In fact, this season the Delve gear has been actually pretty
- 16:03solid. In fact, two of the trinkets
- 16:05from Delves have been quite good.
- 16:08I mean they're no Sephorium trinket, but there is one
- 16:14trinket that at a heroic level I think is even including mythic
- 16:21mythic level trinkets is actually quite competitive and
- 16:23the A tier trinket for enhancement shamans.
- 16:26And I think for a lot of classes that like stats, there was also
- 16:30a big change with a lot of trinkets recently, where the
- 16:34proctic trinkets, the trinkets that did damage that the ones
- 16:36that weren't just giving stats are have been buffed.
- 16:40And so would have to look at those again.
- 16:43But yeah, they're like, you can get the you can get the gear
- 16:46from delves that'll help you push through.
- 16:48You're playing a Demon Hunter. So it is that damage is always
- 16:53going to be good for you in in Havoc.
- 16:58But going back to the mythic plus that we started with, there
- 17:03were a number of changes over the last little a bit now
- 17:07multiple days, I think every two days, every other day we were
- 17:11seeing like some sort of changes for a mythic plus.
- 17:14So the 26th, there was one, there was one in between.
- 17:18There was one that was scheduled for the reset and stuff came in
- 17:22with the reset. So we are now seeing some
- 17:27beautiful hot fixes the in the the theater of pain, the Xav the
- 17:36unfallen crushing slam now has a proper visual so you could see
- 17:40where it's lined up. Oh, I like I didn't see these
- 17:44hot no, these hot fixes at 1st and I was running a dungeon and
- 17:47suddenly it's like, wait, there's a line there?
- 17:49What when the hell it was? It was glorious.
- 17:53One thing that I thought was hilarious that I knew about this
- 17:56like behavior before and I'm kind of glad they fixed it, is
- 18:00that dark Fuse demolitionists, when they get when they're under
- 18:04the effect of dominate mind by a priest, they're not constantly
- 18:08firing off their big RPG thing that had caused wipes because
- 18:17just it would pull everything in like 80 yard radius was causing
- 18:22a lot of wipes. Now that's being fixed.
- 18:25Priests can still mind control them, but they won't be going
- 18:28absolutely insane. Boo but it's being mind
- 18:32controlled. They should be going absolutely
- 18:34insane. No, no, you keep them under
- 18:36control and Sandy is a separate part of priests and only a
- 18:39particular flavor of priests. There was also where, again in
- 18:45theater of pain, the deaf speakers that do the death
- 18:49winds, those will actually fire off in the location in the
- 18:53direction they're facing. I have seen some poor people who
- 18:56thought they were safe, but unfortunately that storm went
- 18:59off in a different direction, blowing them right off the
- 19:02platform and then causing a death, so I'm glad that that got
- 19:08fixed as well. Is there anything in these hot
- 19:11fixes that you guys are are really happy to see?
- 19:17The increased minimum distance for swamp face is nice because
- 19:21often times one of the roots, the protruding roots would spawn
- 19:29like right underneath them. It would be really hard to see.
- 19:31So now you should be able to see them.
- 19:33They should be far enough distance so you'll be able to
- 19:34see them fully. I mean, that's the one I'm
- 19:37really excited about. I'm I'm always I'm pro hot fix
- 19:40all the time. Anytime you're making dungeons
- 19:42easier or fixing a pain point that would make things more
- 19:45difficult than needed to be is a win more to.
- 19:48Lose the hot fixes should be on Theatre of Pain to fix the pain
- 19:51points. I see what you.
- 19:53Detect. I mean.
- 19:54I mean the priority of the sacred flame, even though it
- 19:58doesn't have pain in the in the name, has had a number of pain
- 20:05points. I think they did three separate
- 20:08hot fixes to forge Master Damien alone because he was just like
- 20:16he was a slog for some teams and as the damage went up his
- 20:19abilities coming. Fast and Furious has have been
- 20:23adjusted and I'm glad for that. But yeah, I, I, I really do
- 20:27think that this season is really good.
- 20:30I'm sorry that you're taking a little break from it, but maybe
- 20:35with Season 3 you might give it another chance.
- 20:38Maybe would be fun. I would.
- 20:41I want to. I want a tank.
- 20:43It's just the getting to that point and feeling like I not
- 20:47understand what I'm doing enough to be having a good time is a is
- 20:50a bigger gap to bridge than I thought it would be.
- 20:54I I might suggest, well last week was when you did 4 mythic
- 20:58zeros and you could get the thing, but you could just run it
- 21:02with as like DPS, see how the pools are, get a feel for it.
- 21:07Like as Adps, we're less of the pressure, you're less of a
- 21:11linchpin. And then translate that for when
- 21:14you want to tank and be like, OK, let me tank at a lower than
- 21:18I'm used to. So it's a little more
- 21:20comfortable. And you already know the pools
- 21:21and some of the behaviors and stuff.
- 21:23And that might be a good way of going into it rather than going
- 21:26into it really late in the season where everybody already
- 21:29kind of knows what they're doing.
- 21:31And then it feels bad to like not be pulling at the crazy rate
- 21:35that you might see somebody like Sean pull.
- 21:38Yeah, and I think that's one reason why Season 1, I I felt
- 21:43like I could dip my toes into tanking because I did, I had
- 21:46done a lot of DPS already. And so I felt like I kind of
- 21:49understood the routes. And then I learned very quickly
- 21:51that I didn't at all. But no, I think that's a really
- 21:54good idea to like start out in a thing that would feel a bit less
- 21:57stressful and then see what people are doing and focus on
- 22:01learning it. Yeah, that totally would work if
- 22:02I didn't want to snuggle my puppy instead of doing that.
- 22:04Yeah, the puppy wins. I get it.
- 22:06I get it. OK.
- 22:07That's the real thing. I really everything right now is
- 22:10competing like I I I am doing just enough that I can
- 22:14realistically remain rating and any other time I want to
- 22:17dedicate to snuggling my puppy. I'm surprised you're here right
- 22:19now. I kind of am too, especially
- 22:22since I do have a wireless headset, so I could
- 22:23hypothetically be recording this while snuggling my puppy.
- 22:26Yeah, that. Would be bad for the video.
- 22:28So we're, we're gonna, we're gonna nip that on the bud.
- 22:31But that said, season 3 is already in the talks because
- 22:37they are asking everybody what dungeons they would like to see
- 22:42return for season 3. So this is a little bit
- 22:45different. Usually this is a survey kind of
- 22:47comes for season 4, the extra season where we go, oh, what
- 22:52classic dungeons would you like to come back?
- 22:54And then people vote for grid rail and I get angry at them.
- 22:58But this time I, what did you say?
- 23:01Like way back when they're all WS.
- 23:03All we do is win, win, win. I feel like all these dungeons
- 23:06are win, win, win. So you can have all of the
- 23:12dungeons, including Operation Floodgate, which was introduced
- 23:16this season, right? And suggest which of those
- 23:20dungeons will be coming back for Season 3.
- 23:24Now, They didn't say how many of them will be coming back.
- 23:28I would think, I would think that it's gonna be 4:00 to 5:00.
- 23:33I don't think they're gonna have mostly classic dungeons coming
- 23:36back. But the top votes of this poll
- 23:40will be the ones that are going to be returning.
- 23:43And then these votes are aggregated.
- 23:45So if there is a very close near tie, the Wow development team is
- 23:50gonna make the call on that. And that's most likely to be
- 23:53based on like all the criteria they normally do.
- 23:56Now, generally, what dungeons are you looking to have come
- 24:03back from both Season 1 and Season 2?
- 24:07Sean, you had you had some strong decisions here.
- 24:09What's your top dungeon? So it's this is a tough, it's a
- 24:12tough question. And I think the issue is the
- 24:14community also doesn't understand the question that's
- 24:16being asked. People are voting for dungeons.
- 24:21It seems like people are voting for dungeons that they had an
- 24:24easy time clearing or in which there was a good loot table
- 24:29instead of voting for the dungeons that are the best
- 24:33designed. So for me, my vote.
- 24:39As far as boss fights go, the top two best dungeons from the
- 24:43World Within pool are easily Operation Floodgate and Dark
- 24:49Flame Cleft. You cannot.
- 24:51And I know Dark Flame Cleft caught a lot of heat at the
- 24:54start of the season or pre season when people were
- 24:56convinced that the Minecraft section was going to be doomed.
- 24:58And it's not. Blizzard made it so that it
- 25:01wasn't. It's still not.
- 25:02It's it's it's probably my favorite dungeon this season.
- 25:05And the boss fights are so incredibly well designed that
- 25:09they can even be completed if you don't fully understand the
- 25:12mechanics of them. I watched a Demon Hunter friend
- 25:16of mine complete a + 15 and he had no idea how the boss
- 25:22mechanics worked on the candle boss or on the last month.
- 25:25And I was like in the call watching explaining to him as it
- 25:29was happening. Like no, you're going you want
- 25:31to light as many candles as you can so that you have less of the
- 25:33dot anyway. So those those those one of
- 25:38those two should be people's picks because they're super well
- 25:41designed, they're fun, and the the boss fights are good.
- 25:45If you're looking for speed, then you want to maybe vote for
- 25:48the Rookery. The Rookery is by far the
- 25:50fastest dungeon to complete. Also very fun, the last boss
- 25:55there can be difficult if DPS don't realize that they don't
- 25:58have to stand at their spots for the pillar breaks and the
- 26:01pillars aren't there and they can come in for healing from
- 26:03your preservation of ochre because he can't reach you way
- 26:06over there. Yeah, honestly, there is no you
- 26:10did say man, there's no bad answer here except maybe City of
- 26:13threads. Nobody wants that so.
- 26:16It's a 2% right now, so you're right, nobody wants.
- 26:18It yeah it's a rough one, but a lot of people are heavily voting
- 26:22for Eric Cara and the Dawn Breaker, which were both super
- 26:27well received in season 1 and it's because they were easily
- 26:32timed. They both had extremely
- 26:33forgiving timers, but I would argue that Eric Harris is not a
- 26:38super great designed dungeon and that last boss is kind of a
- 26:41nightmare. I.
- 26:43Hate that one. That was that OK our Cara was
- 26:47genuinely in season 1, the dungeon that made me stop doing
- 26:50mythic plus and it was that last boss, boss specifically.
- 26:53I was done after like one night of like an hour long pull and I
- 26:57was like Nope, we're finished, cancelled, it's over.
- 27:01Yeah, I get it multiple times, like multiple times.
- 27:04We will be running 12/13 1212 and thirteens get to the last
- 27:09boss with like 14 minutes left and still not time it.
- 27:14It's it's wild, wild how it was our least consistent dungeon of
- 27:18that season. And this is not the dungeon's
- 27:20fault, but the like the mechanic with the the blood is bugged
- 27:25with it's specifically, first of all, it's horrible, but it's
- 27:28also specifically bugged with Demon Hunter leaps where if you
- 27:32leap to the other side of the blood, it like marks your body.
- 27:37Like like the where, where the the thing goes is not where you
- 27:40get stuck. So like I, I was spending so
- 27:43much time trying to figure out where my blood was because I
- 27:45jumped over it. But like, also, that's how the
- 27:47Demon Hunter like unless I'm running by pressing W or both
- 27:52mouse buttons for those of you who don't keyboard turn like
- 27:54there's, there's literally no other way for me to get to where
- 27:57I need to go in time. It was terrible.
- 27:59That one was really, really stressful.
- 28:00Yeah, and I I also think people might be voting for it because
- 28:04Sack Brood was such a strong trinket, but every time they
- 28:07brought dungeons backs, they've they've tuned to the trinkets to
- 28:09bring them in line. So if you're and also when you
- 28:12use sacred, you get this weird lump on your back.
- 28:15I hated it so much. Anyway, I voted.
- 28:18I voted for the Rookery because I did what I said people
- 28:20shouldn't do and voted for the one that is fast and easy.
- 28:23But flame. So do as I say, not as I do.
- 28:27Dark Flame, Cleft, Operation Floodgate are both probably the
- 28:29two best designed dungeons from The War Within prior to Second
- 28:32Flame is gorgeous. It's also a lot of fun.
- 28:35I think. I think that that could be a
- 28:37good winner. That's third right now.
- 28:39Yeah. Anyway.
- 28:41I voted for cinder brew because I think it's it's cute.
- 28:45I hate cinder brew meter E because I'm stuck in neck hell
- 28:51or I was I I got the neck last two nights ago.
- 28:55I got the neck, but it was like 30 two runs of cinder brew to
- 28:59get that neck, but it is a it is AII get it If I had only had to
- 29:04run it when I got the key. It's a fun dungeon.
- 29:08It's pretty. It reminds me a lot of temple
- 29:09the jade serpent because you can go either direction.
- 29:11Obviously you're going towards IPA first because you need the
- 29:14lust for him, but it's a lot of fun and it has some really fun
- 29:20boss fights as well. I really like bank Busby in
- 29:23there and I really also really like Goldie bear and bottom.
- 29:27Both good fights. Although I will say I this is an
- 29:29issue that I have every time World of Warcraft does anything
- 29:33involving brewing. Although I have less of an issue
- 29:35with the meadery than I do when they talk about beer, where I
- 29:40don't think they, first of all, I don't think they understand
- 29:41how brewing works. And second of all, I think they
- 29:45think that Mead is a beer. And it's not.
- 29:50It's a with anything, it's a wine, which just bothers me.
- 29:55Like I, I just like, especially the I the IPA.
- 29:58I'm like, I get the joke, I get the fun, but it's why?
- 30:02But it wouldn't it wouldn't be an IPA.
- 30:04Why? Why would there be an IPA and a
- 30:05meadery? An IPA is a hoppy beer and
- 30:08meadery like Mead is a honey wine.
- 30:11Like what are we doing here? What is going on?
- 30:13It's. An experimental element that
- 30:15they made. They were experimenting, Lex.
- 30:19But I and I, I get that. I get that.
- 30:22And I, I just, who would put like is, are they saying that
- 30:26they put hops in honey wine? Because that sounds terrible
- 30:33like, which I guess is why they have a big evil.
- 30:36I mean like I wouldn't say hops, he more floats.
- 30:40OK, but like but but OK. But all of this is better than
- 30:45and I swear I'm going to let Manny speak in a minute, but I
- 30:47just, I just need to get this off my chest.
- 30:49Blizzard thinks that you brew beer within the course of one
- 30:54day. Like this bothered me so much
- 30:57when I was reading the the not war crimes.
- 31:00The other the the war crimes isn't even Pandaria.
- 31:03No, it is anyway the, the the Pandaria story, the Volgen
- 31:06story. And like very clearly the author
- 31:10was under the impression that you could like put something
- 31:12like a flavoring in a beer and that afternoon or within a few
- 31:16hours, sometimes you could taste how it affect did the brew.
- 31:20And I just like brewing is like at least a month long process.
- 31:24Like, what are we? It is certainly even even if
- 31:26we're talking to faster beers, it is not with like you will not
- 31:29know what that tastes like by the end of the goddamn day.
- 31:33So I'm chronically annoyed by that.
- 31:35But it's OK. Minnie, what are you voting for?
- 31:41I haven't made my decision yet. I think that like, I wanna see
- 31:46something come back from Season 1 because I'd like to see the
- 31:50difference between Season 1 and Season 2.
- 31:53Like one thing I wanna point out to everybody is that anything
- 31:58coming back from Season 1 is gonna be a lot different.
- 32:01There's a completely different ethos that's involved with like
- 32:05the way trash is done, how many interrupts you need to pull, and
- 32:09that's going to change the the amount of packs that you pull
- 32:12together and all and all of that.
- 32:14The fact that the affixes and where they're introduced has
- 32:17changed his stuff. I'd love to get like a direct
- 32:20comparison of some of these dungeons, how I experienced them
- 32:23in Season 1 versus how they look like with this, with this new
- 32:28change in direction of how affixes interact with dungeon
- 32:32mechanics. So yeah, like I think that
- 32:37Floodgate has some magnificently designed bosses and it's really
- 32:42fun, but I would really like to see some Season 1 things come
- 32:48back and see if they're like, OK, well, you know what?
- 32:52Like you can pull two of the mini bosses together when
- 32:57you're, when you are doing something like the dawn breaker
- 33:02or you're not going to be like utterly overwhelmed with like
- 33:08interrupts when you're going through the storm vault.
- 33:10Cause the storm vault had just packs with multiple casters in
- 33:15every single pack. And so like, how would they
- 33:20change that? Like, is it that those effects
- 33:22aren't going to be as painful and as punishing or they just
- 33:25going to like be less frequent? Like I just, I want to see that
- 33:30as sort of a thought experiment sort of thing.
- 33:32And all these dungeons are going to come back later.
- 33:36So whatever I I'm going to, I'm going to give it a good look
- 33:39through and see and see what it is.
- 33:41But yeah, let us know what you guys think.
- 33:44Obviously, bit dot LY slash fast discord like to know what our
- 33:49listeners think should be the top choices, not necessarily the
- 33:52entirety of the World of Warcraft population.
- 33:57Now going from that over to our next story guys, they've done it
- 34:06again. As much as gear score changed
- 34:10the game as much as everybody in their IO score caused caused
- 34:16pugging to be a bit more toxic, a bit less social, Wowhead and
- 34:24their subsidiary Arcon have decided to create a new add on.
- 34:29You guys want to talk about this?
- 34:31Wait. Wowhead owns Arcon you.
- 34:34Didn't know that I. Had no idea.
- 34:37Wait, is it Wowhead or is it Warcraft logs?
- 34:38Warcraft logs. Warcraft logs is ARCON.
- 34:44Is there a sort of all of them are working together?
- 34:50I'm not sure. Well, it's definitely Warcraft
- 34:51logs and Arcon, yeah. Arcon is Warcraft logs.
- 34:55That's the same company. I didn't know Wowhead was
- 35:01involved. I'm going to double check, but
- 35:03tell us about this add on, OK? Yeah, so it's it takes your
- 35:08parses from heroic and mythic and shows it on a tool tip in
- 35:12game for use when putting together pugs for the rates they
- 35:18are taking Now obviously hear that immediately and everybody
- 35:22knee jerk reaction is Oh my God this is terrible for the game.
- 35:24Why would you do this? You're going to ruin pug life.
- 35:30The sky is falling. I have a slightly less doomer
- 35:36take on it than that because this information is already out
- 35:40there. It already exists.
- 35:41Anybody who cared about it when building their PUD groups could
- 35:45already look it up and see it. They are making steps so to try
- 35:49to try and balance that perception.
- 35:52So it is your average par score among all of your kills in
- 35:58heroic and mythic, but it's only after you've hit certain
- 36:02thresholds. You have to have 20 heroic boss
- 36:05kills before it shows any scores to allow you to build up sort of
- 36:08a base so you're not being judged off of 1 bad prog parse.
- 36:13And 20 boss clears is just about 3 clears of the Raiders. 8
- 36:18bosses in the raid. So 8 * 3 is what, 18 maths hard?
- 36:24Nope, 24. So yeah, just about 3 clears of
- 36:26the raid and two and a half clears.
- 36:29And for Mythic, because mythic kills are a lot harder to come
- 36:32by and not ever experience it, it's only 5 kills.
- 36:35So you start to see parses at 5 kills.
- 36:36If you've killed the boss on mythic but you haven't gotten 5
- 36:39kills, I'll show you a heroic parse and say it's heroic.
- 36:42You can opt out of this. However, opting out means you
- 36:45hide your parses on Warcraft logs.
- 36:48And if we're being honest, if somebody's opted out, it's going
- 36:52to be the same as if your score was low.
- 36:55So opting out won't really increase your chances of getting
- 37:00into a group of anybody who was using this to determine their
- 37:02group anyway. But they they are.
- 37:06And it also hides your purses on Warcraft logs so you're the only
- 37:08one who sees them. They are aware that people want
- 37:11to be able to opt out of the add on but still be available on
- 37:13Warcraft logs. I believe they said they were
- 37:15working on that. I know people are really upset
- 37:20about this. I don't pug a ton.
- 37:23I do pug a little bit of the raid on alts.
- 37:27I don't personally think this is going to have the impact that
- 37:31Twitter or the overarching Warcraft community thinks it's
- 37:36going to have. I think anybody who truly cared
- 37:41that much about parses when building pug groups for heroic
- 37:47was already looking them up or using another metric to to judge
- 37:54you on, and I just don't think it's going to have the impact
- 37:58that people think it is. It you.
- 38:00It doesn't even exist for normal pugs.
- 38:02So like it doesn't show normal prices at all.
- 38:07So you shouldn't have any issue if you're like a more casual
- 38:10player. I don't know.
- 38:13I I know people are upset, so go ahead Lex.
- 38:17Yeah, so I was going to say, I guess the one thing that I would
- 38:19push really question. So I, I, we don't really pug at
- 38:22all. I I, I would mean I'm scared of
- 38:25doing random mythic classes. I'm certainly not going to put
- 38:28myself at the mercy of a a random pugged raid.
- 38:33And my team as a general rule, does not mess with pugging just
- 38:37because there, there are exceptions.
- 38:39But like usually if we're at a point where we need to pug, we
- 38:42just don't because we just, we, we are very protective of the
- 38:45community and the vibes and the energy we have.
- 38:48And we would hate for that to feel like to, to have somebody
- 38:51invited in who ruins that for a night.
- 38:54So this doesn't really affect me.
- 38:56The one I guess thing that I would just say though, is, yeah,
- 39:00you can go look at logs. You can search people for logs.
- 39:04But I guess it, for me, it's like I question that people do.
- 39:10And I I understand like, yeah, like all this information is
- 39:12publicly available, but surely there's a difference.
- 39:16Sorry, not that that felt when I the minute that started coming
- 39:19out of my mouth, I was like, this feels aggressive for
- 39:21something that I don't actually fight about, that I don't know
- 39:23anything about. I guess I feel like I would
- 39:26never in my life when I was making pug groups for M plus
- 39:29before, I would never have gone to radar IO and search people's
- 39:33names while I have like 50 different applicants coming in
- 39:35every second, right? But if they're going to give me
- 39:38a score number, I don't really have a ton else to go on.
- 39:40It's like I'm, you know, it's right there in my face, right?
- 39:44And so I guess I, my thinking is like, yeah, but like who
- 39:48actually does go look at Warcraft logs?
- 39:51And on the other hand, if it's right there on your face, like,
- 39:52are you going to ignore their persons and be like, no, I'm
- 39:54going to go with this other person who I also have zero
- 39:56additional information about but the number.
- 39:58And and maybe that's OK, right? Maybe good people should get
- 40:01into groups more. Maybe like that's not inherently
- 40:04unfair. I didn't change things, right?
- 40:10I don't. Yeah, I I see, I see your point.
- 40:12It is I I definitely understand that.
- 40:14Like, I could go. This will this will make people
- 40:17who wouldn't take the effort to go look up a score be able to
- 40:20go, oh, well, I'm going to take this person instead of that
- 40:22person, even though they've both killed the same number of
- 40:24bosses. This person has a better score
- 40:26and they're better at it. Could you make the argument that
- 40:30it will then make pug groups naturally form that are among
- 40:35equal skill level instead of having a vast skill?
- 40:37Maybe it'll make it. Here we go, here's a here's a
- 40:40hope PM take that I'm sure will go really well.
- 40:42Maybe this will make pug groups less toxic because instead of
- 40:45having extremely skilled players mixed with less skilled players,
- 40:48and then those players getting Madden, the less skilled players
- 40:50make mistakes. The extremely skilled players
- 40:52will only play with other extremely skilled players, and
- 40:55the players that fall the next tier down will all group
- 40:57together because they'll be able to see their gear scores and so
- 40:59instead of being toxic with each other, they'll be understanding
- 41:02because they're all at the same level.
- 41:04We'll actually say to to add to that hope.
- 41:06Maybe I shouldn't admit this, but when I do pug mythic plus I
- 41:09usually will not take people with top scores because they
- 41:12scare me and I don't want them to get mad at me.
- 41:14Oh my God, I'm right. Let's just confirm I'm right,
- 41:19Andy. What do you think?
- 41:20Do you think this will make the pug scene less toxic?
- 41:22No. What?
- 41:26Like Lex is right, like it's in front of you.
- 41:29So you'll go with the person with the highest score.
- 41:31That will change people's behaviors.
- 41:33This is raid, So what will people do?
- 41:35They'll pad their scores to go for to go for the highest score
- 41:38instead of doing mechanics. Now you'll get a bunch of people
- 41:41who are concerned about doing the damage instead of mechanic.
- 41:44Raids these days require people do to do mechanics.
- 41:48There's going to be this entire thing of like come on guys, give
- 41:51me the Pi as bad as it was before when like we were in farm
- 41:55mode and it's like, oh man, give me all the PIS.
- 41:58Let's do this. I'm hoping because it is
- 42:01Warcraft logs that if you get too many PIS, it just won't show
- 42:05up on the add on that they will include that that filter into
- 42:09this because they already have a thing where you can go.
- 42:11Hey, I don't need this thing with the PIS on this many people
- 42:17giving me the buffs from this many drag theares, whatever,
- 42:21right? I happen to be the guy who never
- 42:23got picked to go on the the balls.
- 42:26And so I just got to do A0A 0E. I did a bunch of superfluous
- 42:31cleave damage on X&Y fight. So I've got the parse, but like
- 42:35my team didn't care. So now this allows me to pug.
- 42:38Why are you even in pugs if your team's already doing this,
- 42:41Claire? I don't know, but like there's
- 42:42just parses were already susceptible to abuse.
- 42:47Making it so that your invitation now now gets
- 42:51reflected by your parse and more people are going to be looking
- 42:54at your parse is just inviting the behavior that I just don't
- 42:59want and I do think. Will it incentivize people to
- 43:05learn the fights and play better to get better scores?
- 43:10I'm getting better. Hold on.
- 43:12I just, I need to be super clear for both my Co hosts and
- 43:14everybody who's listening right now screaming at their their
- 43:17stereos. I obviously know what's going to
- 43:19happen when this add on comes out, but we can't all just sit
- 43:21here and be like this add on's garbage.
- 43:24Maybe it'll be OK. Let's be today.
- 43:30But everybody knows that you can pad damage in so many fights in
- 43:38this raid. They do actually negate a lot of
- 43:40the ad damage. It doesn't count for purses.
- 43:43Sure, right. Like that, that helps if I am a
- 43:48funnel if I'm a funnel character does naturally it like it helps
- 43:53to offset some of it right? If I decide to tunnel on the
- 43:57boss so I can get 100% up time and not turn and kill the kill
- 44:02the ads in one in one armed bandit.
- 44:05Holy crap, I I need those parses to be like immediately removed.
- 44:09If you are not doing like 1520% of your damage on those ads,
- 44:14just your parse is great immediately.
- 44:17And like, do I want to put that on Warcraft logs that you need
- 44:21to police your logs because now you're affecting people's
- 44:24ability to even play the game. Their choice to make it right,
- 44:29the but like, I just know bad behavior is going to rule the
- 44:34day because people aren't going to look deeper in the logs.
- 44:38And I think that the people who did look deep in the logs, that
- 44:40took the time to go to the logs and say, oh, this is a problem.
- 44:44Let me not look at their parts, but actually go and see, hey,
- 44:48did they actually do this right? That takes away from the people
- 44:51who were going just to Warcraft logs, right?
- 44:55And now there's a bigger portion who will lazily look at the
- 44:59orange parse and be like, yeah, even though that orange parse
- 45:03might be a complete red herring. So I have a question that I'm
- 45:08trying to answer as we speak because as much as I I totally
- 45:15agree with everything you're saying, Manny and I like, I
- 45:17can't make a good argument for why this shouldn't exist, but I
- 45:19think that it shouldn't, right? I think that I think that bad
- 45:22players should be allowed to have fun.
- 45:24And that's not a good enough reason for us not to have ways
- 45:27to know if players are bad. But it's for me, in my heart and
- 45:30soul it is. But I kind of have I'm I'm
- 45:35curious how much hugging raid actually happens, right?
- 45:42So I just want to know, Oh my God, my computer needs to load
- 45:45faster because I want to know at 8:17 PM EST on a Tuesday how
- 45:52many heroic pug groups there are right now.
- 45:55And maybe it'll be a lot, and I'll be about to.
- 45:57Look, depends on the season, depends on like where you are in
- 46:01the season, depends on the day, right?
- 46:03But like, yeah, it could be a lot earlier.
- 46:06And then of course trail off. Like it depends on on a lot of
- 46:14things there. But like also I could see a
- 46:18fight where it's like I go in there and I die immediately.
- 46:23And now Lex is stressed out of her and out of her mind.
- 46:27She's normally with with like people who are competent
- 46:30healers, right? And because she's down a healer
- 46:34from like the get go because I just ran myself into the
- 46:37garbage. Her log is like huge, right,
- 46:40Because she's doing way more healing or some idiot is like
- 46:44running into like every everything and you're keeping me
- 46:47alive. And so like, hey, your your law
- 46:50gets utterly inflated. But that devalues all the other
- 46:53logs from teams that work together.
- 46:56And so the the damage wasn't that much like that also would
- 46:59affects logs if you are burning through the boss super fast and
- 47:03nobody takes any damage or you have a longer fight and people
- 47:06take a lot of damage, that also effects healer logs, not even
- 47:09including DPS logs. Oh.
- 47:11I, I'm done heel leading and I will say until the day I die,
- 47:14the healer parses are not. So I, I was thinking about this
- 47:17only as ADPS parse, right? I think DPS parses, there's a
- 47:20lot of So first of all, I'm going to quickly interrupt
- 47:22myself and say there, there were a lot of pugs.
- 47:24So I was completely, I was a liar.
- 47:25A ton of people are pugging and it's absolutely going to have an
- 47:28effect on the the game as well. So you make an add on if there
- 47:32was no word audience for it so it makes sense.
- 47:35True, Absolutely. Yeah, in retrospect I'm being
- 47:37silly DPS person. As somebody who's played healer
- 47:41and DPS and who was raid LED primarily healing but like to
- 47:44some degree DPS ING, I DPS parts are are fairly meaningful right?
- 47:50Because the thing about DPS is that you can in like from when
- 47:54the start the fight starts to when the fight ends, you can
- 47:58engage in your action. And if everyone is like burning
- 48:02that like against the the boss, it will simply end sooner,
- 48:07right? There's no cap to the amount of
- 48:09damage you can do other than the boss dying.
- 48:12So DPS parts I think are very meaningful.
- 48:14Healing parses I will always say are incredibly complicated
- 48:19because there is a hard cap to the amount of HP like HPS that
- 48:23can go out. And that hard cap is your team's
- 48:27damage. Just like you're saying Manny
- 48:28right? So a team that takes a lot of
- 48:30damage does like like healers can literally put out more heals
- 48:36per second. If your team, if nobody is is
- 48:38getting in a single mechanic in your in in in a boss fight, your
- 48:43healers parses inherently will be lower, right?
- 48:47Because, but like they, they, they simply cannot put out as
- 48:50many heels per second. There's not there's nothing else
- 48:53to heal. They healed it all.
- 48:55They're up to 100. We had a like one reason that I
- 48:58started learning how to do some DPS on my priest is because on
- 49:02my team we have a few like absolute rock star healers.
- 49:06And to be fair, first of all, if anyone on my team is listening,
- 49:08you're old rock stars. I love you all.
- 49:09I'm so proud of you all. You're incredible and I love
- 49:10you. But we had some people who were
- 49:12burning right, like hitting like parses in the 90s frequently.
- 49:17And what that meant is that my little, you know, mid level
- 49:21healer, but was getting grey parses, not because my skill
- 49:25significantly dropped, but because the amount of the damage
- 49:28that existed in the raid was going down, right.
- 49:31The really incredible healers meant that I literally did not
- 49:34have heals to heal. They, they, they were gone.
- 49:36They were, the damage is 0. It's OK.
- 49:39Like I, I had to learn to do something else.
- 49:42So yes, I think with in, in, in terms of DPSI think I, I do hear
- 49:46you. I think that like the risk,
- 49:48especially of people who primarily pug just refusing to
- 49:51do mechanics because they want to maximize their DPSI think
- 49:53that's a a big danger. But I do actually really agree.
- 49:56I think the people who don't understand healing and don't
- 49:58understand healing parses or just the fact that you have a
- 50:01limited amount of information and now you have a number and
- 50:03it's hard not to follow the number.
- 50:04Even if you tell yourself that you're too, like you understand
- 50:08the nuance behind the number. I think that that would be
- 50:11really damaging to healing pugs. Absolutely.
- 50:14And the problem is that not everybody who is looking at that
- 50:20add on with that number is going to understand many of these
- 50:24little intricacies. And I think that the people who
- 50:27had taken the time to go, I'm gonna go to their logs, there is
- 50:32a small subsection of players who would do that.
- 50:35And of those players, there was a meaningful subsection of that
- 50:41subsection that would actually take the time and look at your
- 50:44parts and be like, this guy better not be fluffing the logs
- 50:47or blah, blah, blah. And would actually know that
- 50:50because if you're on Warcraft logs at that level, I think
- 50:53you're there is a better chance that you are going to be looking
- 50:59at these filtered information than somebody who's grabbing it
- 51:03from an add on. They're not going to then take
- 51:05the time to look for a filtered information because I don't
- 51:07believe this add on even provides that option.
- 51:10And if it doesn't, then you're already going to logs and and
- 51:14therefore, what is this serving a newer audience that may not
- 51:18use it in the proper way? But I do want to say before we
- 51:21go any further, Arcon, they are not part of Wowhead.
- 51:30But what what I'm remembering is that they used to be, you know,
- 51:34Warcraft logs, FF logs, ESO logs, they all went under the
- 51:37same name and that's when they and they merged together under
- 51:41the Archon name. So the the way the add on is
- 51:44functioning now, if you're a Warcraft Logs Patreon
- 51:48subscriber, you are a premium member.
- 51:52It might not be Patreon anymore. You you get to see the full
- 51:56breakdown. Like you see the the Vexy score,
- 51:58you see the Carlton O'Connor score for each player, but if
- 52:01you're not a subscriber, you just see their average score for
- 52:05the raid. So you don't get the individual
- 52:07boss breakdown. I do have a question though.
- 52:10This is for the listeners. I want you guys to and you too
- 52:12as well, although I think I know what you guys are going to say.
- 52:15But for the listeners, I want you to be really, truly honest
- 52:18with yourself. If you are putting together a
- 52:22pug with the intent of clearing the raid, are you not just a
- 52:26little bit grateful that now you have some measure of the skill
- 52:31of the people you're inviting instead of the complete random
- 52:34chance from before? Yeah, I think that the one thing
- 52:40that I do want to say is I don't have an issue with Arcon for
- 52:43this. I think there was never a world
- 52:45where this wasn't going to come out like eventually there was
- 52:48going to be a way to look at and like I don't like it.
- 52:51But again, most of the reason that I don't like this and I
- 52:53don't like IO score and I don't like like it's just because I
- 52:56think that bad people should be able to play the game too.
- 53:00And that's not a good argument. And I under like as a as a raid
- 53:04leader, obviously I would like good people when I'm pugging.
- 53:07I just as a it's a bad, I am protective of bad players.
- 53:11And that's a terrible argument to not have a feature.
- 53:14And I get that, especially in a in a MMO.
- 53:17So like objectively that is not a feasible argument to keep
- 53:21things like this from coming along.
- 53:24But yeah, yeah, it's like, I can argue about how it's harmful to
- 53:28the community as a whole, but you, yeah, people are going to
- 53:33want information when they're making pugs.
- 53:35And especially, you know, I would also love if we could have
- 53:37a nice score, although I immediately understand why that
- 53:40would be complicated. But alas, they don't.
- 53:45We haven't devolved into social. Would we call it?
- 53:50Would we call it Nico or Kindo? I don't.
- 53:53I know. What's your Kindo score, Lex?
- 53:57You're a 99, by the way, and Kindo Manny's a solid.
- 54:00Manny's a solid 96 1/2. No, Manny, he's so much nicer
- 54:04than. Me Manny is giving me a look
- 54:06right now every time. I suggest that this add on might
- 54:08be OK I think. They're trying social scores
- 54:15over in China. I don't think that's going too
- 54:17well. Going to be clear, not not a
- 54:19fan, not I I don't I I understand why a kind score
- 54:23would actually be really problematic and would probably
- 54:26lead to more toxicity. Oh no, I don't.
- 54:29I think in the video game it works out wonderful.
- 54:31I think that you maintain a certain average and you for your
- 54:35kind score and that allows you a bunch of extra tenders and
- 54:38suddenly everybody's sucking my ass.
- 54:40Anyways, we will have to push through this raid and I'm glad
- 54:48that. This, yeah.
- 54:50Manny, what's the question? Again, if if if you're a raid
- 54:54lead pugging people, are you not a little grateful that this
- 54:59exists? So I'm part of the dungeon Dojo.
- 55:04I actively look for people who want to learn, not people who
- 55:08are already having learned the dungeon or the raid.
- 55:13Like I would rather go do a mythic 0 and struggle through
- 55:18with somebody so that they learn it, then get caked walked
- 55:22through a 12 or get carried through a 15.
- 55:24I've never done a 15. I am just starting to time 10s.
- 55:28I don't care to like run and get like 10 done in like 18 minutes
- 55:34flat and get my portal and be like, yeah, like I know people
- 55:37want the easiest path forward. That's why this this exists.
- 55:42It's like, oh, now I don't have to to type a, a name into
- 55:47Warcraft logs. It can just be thrown right in
- 55:50front of me. But I know what the cost of that
- 55:53is. I know what raid Finder did in
- 55:57terms of community. I know what LFG did in terms of
- 56:00community. I understand that there's a very
- 56:02real cost for this, even if the convenience factor makes the
- 56:07people say like, yeah, I'll take the the offshoot used to be that
- 56:10like I would have terrible dungeons back in the Barrens
- 56:15coming from the crossroads, getting every everybody together
- 56:18so we could, we could walk uphill both ways to go get
- 56:22through that dungeon, right. But I love that.
- 56:25I love to like finding friends and stuff and and like one
- 56:29person going to me and be like, dude, why are you wearing that?
- 56:32I'm like, because it matches. It's like it's all graze.
- 56:35The stats suck. Oh, right.
- 56:38I like I love that introduction. I loved when Warcraft was more
- 56:43of a social game. And I get that people want to
- 56:46find a way to not even have to like, acknowledge the existence
- 56:50of people and look at a number, but it's going to suffer.
- 56:54Right. And like, yeah, maybe you'll get
- 56:57the loot that much faster because you got EP Mcsween up on
- 57:01your raid. I've done a dungeon with him,
- 57:04he's actually pretty good at mechanics.
- 57:06He's a blowhard, we don't need him.
- 57:09But you lose something in it, right?
- 57:12That's it. That's my answer to it.
- 57:14OK, that's a good answer. I like that.
- 57:17But last thing I want to talk about is, yeah, we are four
- 57:22weeks in, I completed my rank 20 of Undermine Rep, but we are now
- 57:34just getting to level. I think it's six in the raid
- 57:40cash. I'm sure some people have been
- 57:42doing full Claire's and may have gone further than me.
- 57:45Did I full Claire weak one? I can't recall.
- 57:48Anyways, yeah, there's a we are now one week away from getting
- 57:546% damage amp, but this week we got what I think is the best
- 57:59thing ever, which is the cartel jumper cables.
- 58:03Have you guys jumped into the raid and used this?
- 58:07I haven't used it yet, but we did talk about it last night as
- 58:10we death skipped past all of the ridiculous amounts of trash to
- 58:14one armed bandit. But we had a that.
- 58:16Skip is glorious. Yeah, it's insane.
- 58:19I there's so much trash in this raid.
- 58:21It is. I'm I'm enjoying the trash,
- 58:23though. I like other than Oh my God, the
- 58:25ones that like run me over the road.
- 58:27I just other than them. I'm OK with it because we hunt
- 58:30down like the rares because you get extra Rep from them.
- 58:33Yeah, the boes of being kind of nice and lucrative.
- 58:38So I'm not tired of the trash. Do you feel like the season has
- 58:42just like ended so quickly? Well, no, we we.
- 58:48For me, it ends when we get CE. So it hasn't we're we're Sean
- 58:52and. Mandy and I have AOT 3 already.
- 58:56I'm Sean and Mandy, and I feel like we've reached the end of
- 59:00the season already. I do feel like I do feel like
- 59:03the season is moving at a faster pace than last season, but it's
- 59:07because they made Mythic Plus so easy and that's not a complaint.
- 59:12Faster if you're listening. I love it.
- 59:14But the plus should be easy. I want to log in.
- 59:16I'm the guy man to talk to, but I want to log in.
- 59:18I want to do my a 10s. I wanted to take 18 minutes and
- 59:21then I want to go bow my dad snuggle.
- 59:24Your puppy. Yeah, so I can be.
- 59:26I'm going to go sluggle my puppy.
- 59:28It does feel like the season has gone by fast.
- 59:30I feel. I actually felt this a lot last
- 59:32season 2 and I felt that every season since Sepulchre and maybe
- 59:38it's just because I'm getting older and that's how time works,
- 59:41but I feel. Like been a shift in
- 59:43dragonflight so sepulchre sounds like the right time that it.
- 59:46Happened yeah it feels like every season is getting just
- 59:48shorter and shorter like we're going to have 11 point 1.5 in 26
- 59:55days so that's crazy to me did. They do the official
- 1:00:00announcement. They didn't, but it's everybody
- 1:00:03on the planet. Everybody's I know, everybody's
- 1:00:04been guessing at it. Yeah, I don't it's like the
- 1:00:09least the worst kept secret. Once Tower Lee or Max says it,
- 1:00:11you can lock it in because for some reason Blizzard just keeps
- 1:00:15telling them stuff. Then they just keep telling us.
- 1:00:20Yeah, so it's it does feel like it's going fast.
- 1:00:24Now what? You have to start pulling the
- 1:00:26trash in that rate. Oh my God, there's a lot of
- 1:00:27trash in that rate. I am also I'm glad that you're
- 1:00:32having fun with it, Manny. We at I might have complained
- 1:00:36about this on this podcast already.
- 1:00:37I'm trying to remember why I remember talking about this
- 1:00:39verbally. But we at Timbermod Tavern are
- 1:00:43traumatized by the trash because we always mostly me, but we do
- 1:00:48have a tendency to like have death pulls.
- 1:00:50We're like, we're like we have to call people back to escort
- 1:00:54the fools, namely me, nobody else.
- 1:00:56Everyone else is sorry, the fool.
- 1:00:57The one fool is me. Nobody else has ever had a had a
- 1:01:00trash pull. Don't worry, don't think about
- 1:01:02it. But we have like like escort
- 1:01:04people to the next boss because we can't get through without
- 1:01:07pulling trash. So I'm traumatized by this.
- 1:01:10This tears trash. We've had that too, especially
- 1:01:13once you're you're done with bunk junker and it's like, oh
- 1:01:17wait, we can't go directly to the next boss.
- 1:01:19You have to go through six month junker.
- 1:01:21Cuz we came in one way and then out the other.
- 1:01:23Which meant that like if you try and make a direct bull, you're
- 1:01:25gonna bring everybody to us. And yeah, there was like a
- 1:01:29couple of times where it's like, OK, I'm gonna die in front of
- 1:01:33the boss so that you guys don't get into combat and then you can
- 1:01:35res me. So it's not just you.
- 1:01:37You're not the only fool. I'm a fool too, OK?
- 1:01:40I can't figure out raid maps. I don't know what's wrong with
- 1:01:43my brain that makes it so I can never get my bearings in a raid.
- 1:01:47But the number of times this has been happening since the
- 1:01:50Denathrius raid where I just like people like everyone else
- 1:01:54is going and it's a very normal direction and there should be no
- 1:01:57way for me to get lost. And I'm over in like God damn
- 1:02:00Narnia trying to figure out how to get back into World of
- 1:02:03Warcraft. Like I cannot handle it.
- 1:02:06I mean Narnia was the 5th covenant so I get it.
- 1:02:11I I genuinely think that the raids because you can go from
- 1:02:16like different boss to different boss.
- 1:02:18It's not a straight line like it used to be.
- 1:02:19Nobody got lost in like Amir Dressil.
- 1:02:22It was like, go right, go left, go straight, we're good.
- 1:02:27This is a full on city map that they have converted into a raid.
- 1:02:33And yes, you can go down the wrong St., end up down the wrong
- 1:02:37alley, and then suddenly it's like, give me your wings, Demon
- 1:02:43Hunter, and you're gonna have to start from the get go again.
- 1:02:46Listen, just give me Bo ES for it, give me a BOE chance for it,
- 1:02:50make it so that I get to say in my Guild child like ha ha.
- 1:02:53Sorry guys, I just want us to get a chance for more Bo ES.
- 1:02:56Like you can that's what they're the mini bosses are some.
- 1:02:58People are definitely the mini bosses do it, but I want the
- 1:03:01regular trash to do it so I don't feel like a freaking idiot
- 1:03:03when I pull the regular trash. Can regular trash drop it?
- 1:03:07I think it's no, it's just the yeah, just the mini bosses.
- 1:03:11OK, Yeah, sorry, sorry, Lex. I will say though, earlier we
- 1:03:16did get that silver card, so when you're going back to the
- 1:03:20Glaggio, you can just use that and teleport right back.
- 1:03:23That might be a good way. We use that a lot.
- 1:03:26OK, my team only started using it this week.
- 1:03:30A silver card from Rick Reverb. So then I can go to six bunk
- 1:03:33junker with less distance and then I just kill myself after
- 1:03:36Sprocket monger and I think because I have to do the one
- 1:03:41abandoned trash. So you, you've been, you've been
- 1:03:44maxed, it is what you're saying. Yeah.
- 1:03:47And then we. Just like I don't even want to
- 1:03:48walk because you're not going to get on the fast mount too,
- 1:03:50right? You're on.
- 1:03:51Slow down. No, yeah, I don't use the car.
- 1:03:53I don't hate the car anymore. I don't remember if I gave that
- 1:03:55update. I did shipping and handling and
- 1:03:56made me not hate the car. And I actually kind of enjoy
- 1:03:59shipping and handling when it gives me a little arrow and says
- 1:04:01hey, go here and do a thing. But I don't use it on side of
- 1:04:04that. I'm really, in all honesty, I'm
- 1:04:06only in the Undermine to go from the teleporter to the raid.
- 1:04:09And then I heard back, that's it.
- 1:04:11Sometimes I go and do the delve that's there.
- 1:04:14I don't do I, I do nothing else in Undermine but.
- 1:04:19But yeah, I, I am, I am of the opinion that the season's gone
- 1:04:27by incredibly fast, so I am looking forward to 11 point 1.5.
- 1:04:32So let's see what happens. We're going to get that pretty
- 1:04:35soon and we should try and talk about that next episode,
- 1:04:38assuming there's no big news. But until next time guys, may
- 1:04:42all your hits be crits.