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EDP35: New Irish Marathon Record / Dublin & Amsterdam Marathon Preview / Double Trouble / Training & Race Weeks · Easy Double podcast

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  Hello, welcome back to the Easy Double podcast episode 35.
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  We are recording on the unusual time slot of a Saturday
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  afternoon in Perth and a Saturday morning in Dublin,
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  Ireland, because Owen Smith is racing a cross country race
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  tomorrow afternoon, so he's actually pursuing his running
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  career rather than his podcasting career.
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  Yeah, guys. Thanks Sir.
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  Thanks for changing it for me. I wouldn't like to, even though
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  I'll do really enjoy recording the podcast on a Sunday morning
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  before a race. I sort of just like to have some
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  me time and yeah, not be chatting and shit to you guys
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  basically. Yeah, there's a time for
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  overthinking and reflecting, and in the morning of the race,
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  that's not the time, is it? No, another little shake guys to
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  do. And yeah, just a little routine.
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  And recording a podcast isn't in that routine.
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  Yes. So no, thank you.
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  Yeah, good. Well, I'm, I'm glad that we got
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  to speak to you the day before the race to find out what your
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  thoughts are and what your plan is for the for the race.
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  So I'm sure we'll get to that later.
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  I think the last time we done this I ran that race in
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  Tasmania, so yeah, that didn't go well.
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  No, we've left that one in the past.
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  And also John knows is Dean, who's I'm going to assume pulled
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  up okay off the bike ride that we've done this morning,
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  although he did text me saying he was having a nap before.
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  So whether that's contributed to that?
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  I I was a little bit tired after this mornings ride.
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  Probably the the worst thing that I pulled up from I put some
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  shorts on after my nap and they're they're a bit tight
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  around the quad. So I'm a bit nervous about all
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  this cycling. Maybe it's having not the the
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  the. Change in your body composition.
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  Something's changing. Whether or not it's yeah,
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  there's some. There is a body composition
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  change for sure. I'm a bit tired as well myself,
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  but I couldn't work out if it was because we were maybe trying
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  to like bury each other amongst the rest of the the leading
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  group or because I had a few beers last night, but probably
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  somewhere in the middle. Probably a bit of both, I would
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  say. Yeah, it.
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  Was good fun though, wasn't it? It was great.
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  Yeah, I glad Owen's racing tomorrow because otherwise we'd
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  probably be getting swept up talking all sorts of nonsense.
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  But no, look, that's my first formal group ride.
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  So Owen, for context, I joined Ryan with these on the on the
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  group ride this morning and it was a lot of fun.
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  We did start in the second group.
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  Somehow Ryan disappeared and that's because he joined the
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  front group, but fortunately someone in their group had a
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  mechanical so I managed to meet up with him again.
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  I thought it was going to be a bit more social than what it
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  was, but it was the IT was a bit competitive at times, which is
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  probably not a bad thing. Are we, are we going to have a
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  name change to like easy paddle or something like that, A knock
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  off series? Yeah.
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  Maybe there's a market for it somewhere, but it's certainly
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  not our audience. So we need to probably remember
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  that. I actually enjoy the cycle chat.
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  It's so it's so different and like you can't sort of relate it
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  back to running. So it's, I think, yeah, it's
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  nice to hear and you guys and your how your training is
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  different and how you're keeping fit and yeah, it's.
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  Cool, we did. I'm enjoying the learn inside of
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  it. Like you just get exposed to
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  different perspectives and different points of view on
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  training and stuff. Like one of the guys were saying
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  he fell off and broke his neck like a few years ago.
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  And you think, fuck, I wasn't kind of aware that these are
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  some of the risks that come when you're getting involved in these
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  group rides. So we're think we're looking
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  after our bodies by not running when really we're we're exposed
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  to a whole another level of risk.
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  Where the group as well is quite good.
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  There's some really good etiquette in terms of like
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  cycling etiquette in terms of signalling on the road and
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  signalling as you sort of rolling turns and those sorts of
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  things. And so we just finished chatting
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  to a couple of guys and they sort of told us about some very
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  serious accidents. And then Ryan's like, oh, the
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  front group's so much better. None of this like all of this
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  verbal communication rubbish, like don't need any of this sort
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  of stuff. And like our groups, like
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  they're all very polite and they're all, a lot of them a bit
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  older and I think very safety conscious, I think would say
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  particularly conservative when it came to that sort of stuff.
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  And I think yeah, wasn't all well received.
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  I would I would liken it to this Owens.
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  It's being in the second group would be like being on an on a
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  road with like 30 mile an hour speed limit.
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  And then when you join the front group, it's like you got on the
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  motorway and you just put your foot down and go.
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  For it, yeah, Yeah. OK, OK, OK.
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  You wouldn't. You wouldn't be happy in that
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  second group either. But I think it's not start like
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  years is you're actually going like mid like like 3536
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  kilometers an hour. And like in a car you don't feel
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  that because I know you're surrounded by a load of metal.
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  But like when you're actually on the bike, if you hit something
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  like you're just getting thrown, thrown away.
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  So, umm, it's another thing you don't really think about until
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  you're actually like a cyclist tells you about an accident or
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  something. Yeah.
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  Yeah, no, yeah. Well, one of the one of the
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  guys, his worst accident was down Welshpool Rd., which is
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  what we were riding down a couple of weeks ago.
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  And I think he broke his ribs, wrists, collarbone, punctured
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  lung, et cetera, all that sort of thing.
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  And not his fault either, which is why you're so reliant on the
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  group. And I think so the group we
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  joined today was a suggestion, I think of rafts and Coco was down
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  there as well. So someone else who's cross
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  training while she recovers from a stress fracture.
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  So I think he's careful in terms of suggesting who we go to.
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  And you can sort of say that they're all pretty seasoned
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  riders, which I think from a safety perspective makes it a
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  bit easier. Yeah, we were picking up some
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  pace though. I think we averaged near 35 KS
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  an hour for the SO65K loop. But yeah, really nice morning
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  for it. So it's been good.
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  Are you taking gels on them? Like are you fueling?
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  I yeah, so I had two bottles of beaks and a gel.
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  Ryan just raw dogs. I think he just he often rocks
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  out without even a bottle. I'm probably not taking the
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  nutrition or the fuel in as serious as it would if it was a
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  run because I'm like, Oh well, it doesn't like deplete you to
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  the point of exhaustion. And then I'll just get a coffee
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  and a muffin afterwards and then kind of levels out.
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  These people are all like in all the gear, really like flash
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  crafts. And then Ryan just comes in just
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  like it's a bit of it, like a skivvy and like just pair of
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  shorts and just like, hey, how are you pair pair of 1080s and
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  then just drop them. Chain came off today and then at
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  a junction that was panic stations as well because they
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  they don't wait for you. That was so.
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  What did you do? We're rolling turns and he went
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  to like clip in and just push through and it's just completely
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  come off. I didn't know if you knew how to
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  put it back on. Were you Have you I?
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  Didn't know either. It's easy if you start going
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  backward, isn't it? No, you have to push down.
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  Upside down. And then I was like, oh shit,
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  I'm doing this in the middle of the roads.
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  Then I had to like, scurry off to the little pedestrian island
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  and thankfully it went on like first time.
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  And then there was yeah, I was about 3 or 4 minutes of burying
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  myself to find Dean's wheel. I told them all to slow down.
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  That's a good teammate. Anyway, let's get let's get back
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  into the running podcast. On the afloat chat from last
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  week, we received a couple of different perspectives, which is
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  good because it was kind of which I was alluding to, like
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  maybe it was a little bit narrow minded and not informed on all
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  these different views. So thanks to Joe and Kat Watts
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  who wrote in and actually agree with what they said.
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  So Joe says maybe it's more so to inspire women in athletics in
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  general, face different challenges to men like
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  pregnancy, periods, etcetera. And it's just to shine some
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  limelight solely on women and show them that it is possible.
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  And Kat made a really good point, said she agreed with us
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  almost. She said maybe it's not
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  warranted at the top level and that men and women are seen as
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  equal, but there is probably room for it amongst amateur
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  running. So like maybe women face
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  barriers to entry more so than men.
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  And you see that kind of reflected in the start lists and
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  numbers of women participating in these mixed gender races.
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  So maybe if they had women's only races at recreation or
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  amateur level would be more uptake in that.
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  So didn't look at it from that point of view.
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  Agree. In Ireland there's this thing
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  called the women's like mini marathon, which is like it's a
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  10K race and they call it a mini marathon, which I don't see why,
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  but yeah, it's just like for women it's just like a big
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  charity fundraiser and yes, like it's a really, really good day
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  out. But so there is women's only
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  events out there. And I feel like I do feel sorry
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  for on the start lines because like men always, I don't know,
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  like just step jump up the front and like, like it is dangerous
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  on the start line sometimes. I remember was it Launceston and
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  who was in front of me? It was 2 like Aussie athletes.
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  It would have been Jen Gregson and someone else.
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  She runs with Adidas, forget her name anyway, but like they were
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  like, it was early man crowd. And then the two of them and
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  like, they are, they should be up the front because like
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  they're two of the best women there.
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  But they turn around. I was behind them and they're
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  like, please don't cross me. And it's something like, I don't
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  even think of that. So yeah, it's there's
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  definitely, I can see why it's there.
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  So yeah. I think yeah, in Perth we have
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  like a like a women's classic 10K fun run as well.
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  And there's like a women's only triathlon as well.
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  And I've and I think, yeah, similar comments.
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  It's the same for there's a like they've there was or I think
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  there still is. I think it's called Fresh, like
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  a women's front runner training group, like a women's only
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  training group as well. And I think, again, it's about
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  creating an environment where people feel safe and comfortable
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  participating. And it's a nice entry.
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  And so I think, yeah, that's a good point around feeling
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  included or feeling safe. And by putting on those events,
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  you're probably more likely to encourage people to give it a
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  go. Because even if you think of it
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  from a personal point of view, like when you're stood on the
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  start line maybe, and you you're feeling like everyone around you
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  is a better ability than you, that's intimidating in itself,
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  let alone when you're like one woman of 10 males or something.
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  Yeah, and you get that vibe, particularly in athletics when
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  it comes to track racing. I feel like a road race or even
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  cross country. I feel like Rd. racing is very
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  like everyone's included and accepted and then it starts to
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  get a bit more, it feels a bit more releases, particularly in
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  like in, in, in some of these Perth these races.
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  I see other events where they grade them and grade them
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  effectively. And I think that's what we
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  should learn to do. Because I think then you're
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  putting people in similar abilities together and you're
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  setting an expectation for a participant that whatever time
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  they're going to be running is appropriate for the event
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  they're entering. Whereas we don't get a lot of
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  participation because we don't make it as inclusive as what it
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  could be. No thanks.
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  So before we get into this week's agenda, just the last
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  kind of acknowledgement from last week.
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  And we spoke about the Perth Running Festival quite a bit, so
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  won't go into it too much, but apparently there were no
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  finisher T-shirts for the participants either, which is
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  another bit of a strange one really.
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  But yeah, on the WA Running Podcast, one of the guys there,
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  Chris, he paced it on the day and the other Co host Vicky was
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  out on the bike. So they done a really
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  comprehensive review of the Perth Running Festival as well.
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  So if you want to kind of cross check what we've said or get
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  some more insight, then encourage you to listen to that
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  as well. So this week then, as we have
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  gone early, we've got a preview from the Dublin Marathon and the
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  Amsterdam Marathon, which happened tomorrow.
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  We Dublin's next week, Dublin's next week.
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  Yeah, OK. We still do the preview, I guess
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  last week. Owen, thanks for jumping on and
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  doing the little Chicago recap at the end solo.
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  That was my sole digestion of the results and what happened
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  out on course. So thanks for being so detailed
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  and informative there. Maybe we'll have a little chat
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  about that. No, yeah, it's good.
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  No, I did forget Galen rope and who has Matt such who is central
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  wits them to big names. But now I sort of like, so it,
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  you know, who was it? My fox used to do a solo.
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  And I just kept on thinking it up because, like, you're sort of
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  asking questions and answering them yourself in a way.
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  So no, it was actually, it was actually all right.
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  Yeah. Because I don't know, How long
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  did you speak for? It was maybe between 5 and 10
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  minutes, wasn't it? So it wasn't just like a little
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  32nd headline. Yeah, it's crazy how much time
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  it actually like takes up when you're just like, talking to
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  yourself. It's like it was on.
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  Wasn't too bad. Could get used to it.
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  It could just be you if it was just a running podcast at the
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  minute, couldn't it so. I remember the first time I'd
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  done it, I can't remember what it was.
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  I was adding something in and you feel like very aware that
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  you're just speaking to yourself or and because it's only you at
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  that very moment. Like I guess people who are
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  listening don't really know this, but you're just like all
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  of the like attention and focuses on what I'm saying right
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  now and you've got no like kind of support from the Co hosts.
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  But then once you do it once you almost like forget about that
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  elements of it and you just chat and shift anyway.
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  You're just looking at the camera and it's just like you on
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  the screen, you know, I have two other faces to look at for, you
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  know, I could get used to it. It could be a bit more how Ryan
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  feels each weight, given that he sort of drives the creative
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  process and the agenda and we just come here to shoot the
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  shit, really. Shit, yeah.
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  Yeah, well, you know, I am reassured when you do the edit,
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  it gives each of our names like a colour on the sound bar.
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  And sometimes I go into it with like a preconception, like, oh,
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  I'm constantly speaking compared to you 2 So I'm conscious in
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  certain moments to like shut up and let you 2 speak.
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  But then often on the bar, I think it is kind of like
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  distributed quite well. So we'll see, right?
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  And let us know, do I need to shut up?
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  Do these two need to speak more? What what's it received like to
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  you guys? I do zone out every now and
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  then, which I certainly need to stop.
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  My brain just goes into a totally different topic.
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  So yeah. You're there when it counts.
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  So yeah, a bit of a different format.
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  We'll have Owens pre race build up and a bit of a plan for the
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  race day tomorrow. We haven't heard about Dean's
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  training in a couple of weeks because he was salivant around
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  Melbourne last week and we've got a few discussion points as
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  well. So I guess, yeah, let's start
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  with Chicago because that did happen last week.
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  And if you follow the sport as closely as we do, you would have
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  consumed some content on that by now anyway.
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  So we won't waste too much time. But I guess the headline is it
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  was Korea versus Kapliemo and we're making some calls on that
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  career. Ended up DNF and didn't he
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  because he was pushing the pace from halfway, like beyond world
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  record pace and Mr. Jacob Kaplimo got the job done in the
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  end. Just about hanging on despite
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  signs of a blower. My man I think pulled up pulled
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  off didn't he did DNF. Yeah, Mr. Mr. Korea, was it like
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  30 K maybe or something even beyond that?
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  I. Think it was yeah, because he
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  made a move I think after the pacemakers dropped out and he
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  was looking looking good. But I think Bert too many
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  matches and yeah, not my insights, but insights I did
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  hear on the Real Science of Sport podcast was just around so
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  you know, like the lactate curve and we we talk about LT1LT2 and
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  the marathon sort of sits between those two points, LT1
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  and LT2. But just an observation was I
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  think the first 5K was in 1358, which is 57 pace for the
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  marathon. So like and yeah, the, the host
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  made of interesting observation, which is, you know, that that
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  lactate curve, there's points on it becomes exponential.
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  And so the cost, therefore, I think if you're going above say
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  LT2 in particular or, or even up to the, the, the sort of the,
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  the energy cost, it's going to be close to exponential.
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  I think so because I'm pretty sure isn't it hydrogen ions that
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  are produced as a function of effort or fuel burning is what
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  is the lactate score. And so I'm pretty sure if you're
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  burning, it's so you're going to see, you're going to just burn
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  too many matches. And perhaps what those guys were
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  were didn't race as well as what they could have had they run a
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  more even race. And I think even Conor Mance
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  made a similar comment. Didn't he run like a 4:30 first
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  mile? And I think maybe, I think maybe
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  that cost them. I think maybe they got a bit too
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  excited and it might not have been the perfect distribution
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  of. Yeah, I think the guy you're
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  referring to maybe Ross Tucker, he'd done a tweet, didn't he?
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  Something along the lines of like if you cross beyond
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  threshold too early in the marathon, it's like taking out a
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  loan where the the interest payments are going to come back
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  and bite you. Yeah.
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  And the Steve Scully, and do you remember his analogy as well,
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  where you start the marathon with a bag of like a hessian bag
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  of sand on your shoulder and you sort of need to carry that with
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  you, and then you're basically just taking a knife to it.
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  And that's your energy reserve. And you just, every time you go
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  above that, you're basically cutting a hole in that.
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  So instead of it just slowly seeping out, it's just you're
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  just, yeah, running out of energy.
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  I thought about this whether at what point I could include this,
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  but how do you think about this analogy?
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  Because we've talked about like VO2 Max and lactate threshold
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  LT2 and stuff quite a bit and maybe we have a bit of a clear
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  understanding of what it means in our own heads.
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  But maybe listeners, it doesn't mean all that too much to.
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  So I'm sure I can't remember where I had this from, but I
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  have picked it up back in the day and it was like VO2 Max is
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  basically like think of it as a petrol tank or a fuel tank.
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  And the higher VO2 Max, the bigger fuel tank that you have.
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  And your threshold is like kind of how much you can fill that
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  fuel tank or like you fill it up full tank or you fill it up half
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  a tank, then you've got a lower threshold than someone else.
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  And then so that I think I've taken that from someone else.
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  I'm not going to try and claim that as my own analogy, but I
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  also thought of how easy double could fit into that because
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  maybe some people haven't heard us explain what easy double,
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  what an easy double is. So it would maybe be like going
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  to the petrol station on a Tuesday when the fuel prices are
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  lower and putting in $20 one Tuesday and $20 the next
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  Tuesday, rather than going on a Wednesday and putting in $50
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  when it's like $2.00 a litre and you're just being a bit more
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  economical. I thought it was just a second
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  run in the day. Slightly overcomplicated that,
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  haven't I? Or a second ride for us at the
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  minute. OK, yeah, we'll take us out.
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  What you will. Maybe nothing.
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  Back to the Chicago chess. Meanwhile, Owen's thinking about
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  his race tomorrow. We've lost him.
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  Why have I gotten up to talk about filling up Patrick?
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  Why is Ryan keep talking about cycling and petrol?
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  By the way, talking about the petrol, that's not that that's
• 19:09
  even a thing important on a Tuesday.
• 19:11
  It's so much cheaper than every other day, like it's only in
• 19:13
  Perth. Everywhere else in the world
• 19:15
  it's like a Rob every single day of the week, whereas in Perth
• 19:17
  it's actually cheaper. You don't have that.
• 19:19
  You don't have cheap juice. In Ireland it's expensive every
• 19:22
  day. No, I did.
• 19:25
  I did find that bizarre. At first I thought it was a bit
• 19:27
  of a myth until like, you obviously experience it and see
• 19:30
  the prices like fluctuate math genuinely massively, don't they?
• 19:34
  Like it's a good 1020 cent, isn't it?
• 19:36
  More and also on on the news, like of an evening, they'll tell
• 19:39
  you what the fuel price is going to be for the next day.
• 19:42
  Yeah, that's not a thing. No, it's definitely not a thing.
• 19:45
  So how? How much in euro is a litre at
• 19:48
  the minute? For diesel it's around one year
• 19:52
  so this is cheap. This is a cheap place I go to.
• 19:55
  With the cheap place you actually don't know if it's a
• 19:56
  watered down or not like in Ireland.
• 19:58
  I'd say the average price is like one.
• 20:01
  It's between 169 and 159 euro. Wow.
• 20:05
  That's more expensive than here. It's a joke.
• 20:09
  You have no idea. Yeah, and that's diesel, not
• 20:11
  unleaded. That's diesel.
• 20:13
  Yeah, well. So then do you fill up with
• 20:15
  diesel, Dean? I don't know what the diesel
• 20:17
  prices are like. No, but they're not too
• 20:19
  different to like unleaded fuel prices, but they're under $2.00
• 20:23
  Aussie, which like what's an Aussie dollar to euro what we
• 20:27
  almost 2 Aussie dollars to €1.00 at the minute.
• 20:30
  So there you go. Where is the unit price is about
• 20:33
  the same. So yeah, that's considerably
• 20:35
  more expensive over there. Price we'll, we'll end the
• 20:37
  petrol chat there, but there you go.
• 20:39
  There's some context for listeners who might be tuning in
• 20:42
  in either Island or Australia and learning something knew
• 20:45
  about the other country there. Or what our podcast means.
• 20:50
  Connor Mance got the new area records, taken it away from our
• 20:54
  interviewee Cam Levens. He ran 204.
• 20:58
  What was the exact seconds, 43 maybe or something, which kind
• 21:03
  of, I think everyone was. It's weird going into a record
• 21:07
  attempt for it to be like expected to do something that's
• 21:10
  never been done before. Like he's genuinely just become
• 21:14
  the fastest non African marathoner in history.
• 21:18
  And it's almost like it was presumed, well, it was presumed
• 21:21
  that he was going to do it. And it was more so like how fast
• 21:24
  could he go? Like, how does it get to the
• 21:26
  point where it's like normalized that someone's going to do
• 21:29
  something that's never been done before?
• 21:31
  It's quite bizarre, isn't it? But.
• 21:32
  The training he was rolling out was just like, he's fit.
• 21:36
  He's so, so fit. And he puts it all on Strava,
• 21:39
  too, which is pretty cool. Hey, so like, you've literally
• 21:41
  got the best marathoner in history and it's all documented
• 21:46
  all like all there for people to consume.
• 21:49
  It's pretty, pretty rare that you see, you see that?
• 21:52
  I think I'm pretty cool. Kali Thackery, who was the
• 21:55
  British representative over there, at least on the woman's
• 21:58
  field, she ended up with a DNF and it prompted a thought.
• 22:01
  I don't know what your opinions are.
• 22:03
  Are more people than ever DNF and right now, like ratio wise,
• 22:08
  as in like percentage of starters?
• 22:10
  Or is it just because maybe more people full stop are running
• 22:13
  marathons and therefore volume is up because of the higher
• 22:17
  participant race? Do you mean I?
• 22:19
  Think I think they are because if you pull the plug early you
• 22:24
  can probably back up for another marathon fairly quick.
• 22:26
  Whereas if you like bury yourself and struggle on for the
• 22:30
  whole thing like that's you've gone for a while.
• 22:34
  Oh, especially in the marathon distance, it's just safer to
• 22:37
  pull the pin if you're not feeling it.
• 22:39
  Yeah, and I think like outside of a major champion like a
• 22:43
  Olympics or world, you know, world champs or something, what
• 22:46
  are you doing it for? I think you're doing it either
• 22:49
  to post a time or place right at the top end.
• 22:51
  So and even a lot of the way through and if you're clearly
• 22:54
  something's not right, like you say, you stand to lose a lot
• 22:57
  more than what you stand to gain.
• 22:59
  And maybe it's a pride, but a pride thing if you keep going.
• 23:03
  I mean, the only risk though is that you really don't want that
• 23:06
  to become a habit. I think that's the scary thing
• 23:09
  is like, have you guys ever. I've dropped out of one race.
• 23:12
  I was 153K race on the track and I still remember it.
• 23:15
  Like it's not something I would. You don't want to get into the
• 23:18
  habit of that, I don't think, because, yeah, you worry that
• 23:21
  that might then become an option for for you when it gets hard
• 23:24
  and it always gets hard. So yeah, it's tricky.
• 23:27
  You sort of strategically makes a lot of sense, but then at the
• 23:30
  same time psychologically is probably a thing then you have
• 23:32
  to deal with. And you do see it as well, don't
• 23:35
  you? Like if you look at maybe a
• 23:37
  couple of people who have DNF, then maybe there's not just one
• 23:41
  DNF there that they'll have a deal, maybe frequent it, but
• 23:44
  also then have the sprinkling of a few unbelievable results in
• 23:48
  there as well. So it's almost like, well, if
• 23:51
  it's not going to be an amazing day, then I haven't got like the
• 23:53
  the mental capacity to grind out and I'll just fuck it off.
• 23:57
  But yeah, I don't think I ever have.
• 24:00
  Fingers crossed it never happens, but you never know.
• 24:02
  I haven't either, but I came very, very close when I was
• 24:05
  doing that 10 mile race and I got a stitch and every step I
• 24:08
  took was like like a star into my chest or my ribs.
• 24:13
  But yeah, I feel like if you do drop out, then it becomes an
• 24:15
  option, whereas if you haven't done it before, like it's just
• 24:17
  not an option. And normally you can weather
• 24:20
  those sort of storms like you feel shit.
• 24:22
  But yeah, I think where I should read somewhere that if you're
• 24:27
  feeling pain for the first like 30 seconds, it is so, so, so
• 24:31
  bad. But then your body sort of gets
• 24:33
  used to it, so you can actually hold it for another little
• 24:35
  while. Now, obviously marathon, it's a
• 24:37
  long, long way. So as Calm Levin said, like 100m
• 24:40
  pain is different to like marathon pain where you have to
• 24:43
  hold it for maybe an hour. So yeah, I don't know.
• 24:47
  It's like a mental thing. It can become a mental thing.
• 24:49
  So just don't give yourself the option of dropping out unless
• 24:54
  it's like going to do damage to yourself.
• 24:56
  Feel like with specific reference to the marathon, like
• 24:59
  you've put that much training in and sacrifice probably so many
• 25:02
  things from like a social and a family point of view, like you
• 25:05
  almost will see our to yourself to finish.
• 25:08
  But yeah, it's like everyone else who you've probably
• 25:10
  impacted during your training to really get across the finish
• 25:14
  line as well. Well, yeah, as soon as spin off
• 25:16
  question I had on that was because obviously there was a
• 25:19
  couple of marathons last weekend.
• 25:20
  So you, you hear all the stories from everyone who's run them and
• 25:25
  it prompted a thought interested to get your opinions because now
• 25:31
  with like so much emphasis being on fuel and and like almost like
• 25:36
  the golden phrase of like 100 grams an hour being like the,
• 25:39
  the gold standard. But again, interesting your
• 25:42
  thoughts. I don't think that applies to
• 25:44
  everyone, does it? It's more so like the people at
• 25:47
  the top end who are running at like a really high intensity.
• 25:51
  So they're burning energy at a lot higher rates.
• 25:54
  So if people who are running considerably slower are trying
• 25:58
  to follow these, like get close to 100 grams an hour, are they
• 26:01
  then therefore being almost like the architects of their own
• 26:04
  downfall and causing stomach issues or yeah, just trying
• 26:09
  things maybe that they didn't do properly in training, As in
• 26:11
  like, you've never had 100 grams an hour before, so why try and
• 26:15
  do it on the race day? I know that that's hard to
• 26:17
  answer because like, well, what are you referring to exactly?
• 26:20
  But it's just a spiral of thoughts.
• 26:22
  I think it's probably got some validity to it.
• 26:24
  Like I don't think even five years ago there was as much
• 26:28
  emphasis and or awareness on the importance of ingesting a large
• 26:34
  amount of fuel for getting a good marathon result.
• 26:37
  So I think everyone's now therefore trying their best to
• 26:40
  feel more, I would say. So if you are doing that, then
• 26:44
  you are putting more stress on your stomach and sort of
• 26:48
  abdominal area. And I know like when I get, I'll
• 26:51
  try and have like a mixture, like a fluid and carbohydrate
• 26:55
  mix. And as a result of that, all
• 26:57
  that fluid sitting in my stomach, like I start to stitch
• 27:01
  when it starts to get too full. But I know that it's important
• 27:04
  that I try and get it in. So like, yeah, I think you're
• 27:07
  right. I think there would be more
• 27:08
  incidents of that. And it's hard to replicate.
• 27:11
  Like we do some pretty, we get pretty close to the fire in
• 27:13
  terms of like some of the sessions we do, which sort of
• 27:16
  mimic the marathon. And so you do feel that, but you
• 27:19
  really don't put your body under.
• 27:21
  You can't, you can't mimic the exact same sort of distress
• 27:23
  you're putting your body under until a marathon.
• 27:25
  So it's hard to know until you're actually, you know,
• 27:28
  whether or not you're doing the right thing trying to put that
• 27:30
  much in and run hard. And like, not even fueling.
• 27:33
  I remember I was in the sauna there a couple of months ago and
• 27:36
  him I got talking to this couple and this is on the Saturday and
• 27:39
  they're running their first ever marathon on a Sunday.
• 27:42
  And they're sitting in the sauna and they're saying, yeah,
• 27:45
  everyone of my first ever marathon tomorrow and after
• 27:48
  this, we're going to go and get like a big pizza.
• 27:51
  And I'm like, guys, the sauna, I didn't say this stuff because it
• 27:56
  probably just derailed them, but I was like, guys, the sauna is
• 27:59
  not a good thing. Like you're dehydrating your
• 28:01
  body. Like this is not what you want
• 28:03
  to be do. Like, sauna is lovely and all,
• 28:05
  but no, this is not not. Where you want to be?
• 28:08
  Before your first ever marathon. I didn't think similar thoughts,
• 28:11
  but then I remember Ryan hopping in and out of the on send the
• 28:15
  night before our half in Maragami with a Danish in one
• 28:19
  hand, like a cinnamon scroll in the other hand and him like, hey
• 28:22
  guys, how you doing? Super casual.
• 28:24
  We've done like 30 strides afternoon nap been rolling out
• 28:28
  all morning. I don't know, you know, maybe
• 28:32
  it, maybe it has to be whatever works for you, you know?
• 28:35
  Yeah, that was what was required to get me in in both the right
• 28:38
  mental and physical state for the start line the next morning
• 28:41
  on send with my Japanese mate and bit of loads of food.
• 28:46
  Bit of bit of a bit of a boost to the ego, you reckon?
• 28:49
  Always helps, and if you have to go all the way to Asia to get
• 28:53
  it, then you got to do what you got to do.
• 28:56
  I was going to say something else on that, but it's just all
• 28:59
  right. Then the next race is Amsterdam
• 29:01
  Marathon tomorrow. Say the next race.
• 29:03
  There's a multitude of races, but there's a few big names at
• 29:06
  this one. Joshua Chapter guy, double world
• 29:09
  record holder in the 5000 and 10,000 meters, is headlined in
• 29:13
  the men's field. For context, he's around 12:35
• 29:17
  for 5000 and 2611 for 10,000, which is absolutely absurd.
• 29:23
  And going back to the Conor Mance record thing, to think
• 29:27
  anyone was ever in the position where it was assumed that they
• 29:31
  were going to breeze past his records there is pretty scary to
• 29:35
  think. So yeah, he's a double Olympic
• 29:39
  champion from 2021. In Tokyo won the 5000 and in
• 29:43
  Paris last year he won the 10,000, so I don't know if maybe
• 29:48
  I've just missed a thing or two and obviously it doesn't.
• 29:51
  Just because he's ran fast on the track doesn't mean he's
• 29:53
  guaranteed to become a record breaker at the marathon.
• 29:56
  But is he flying under the radar a little bit here?
• 30:00
  He's three time world champion in the 10,000, which when you
• 30:04
  look at it on paper it's from 2019 in 22 and 2023.
• 30:09
  But then he didn't do last year because he was at the well,
• 30:13
  because the Olympics happened, there wasn't one.
• 30:15
  And then he didn't do this year rather because he's targeting
• 30:18
  this marathon. So wouldn't be surprised to see
• 30:21
  him run something fast. He's got APB of 20559 already
• 30:27
  from Valencia in 2023, Tokyo earlier this year rather so want
• 30:33
  to watch there. And I think in the reading I was
• 30:35
  trying to do, Amsterdam is one of the premier European
• 30:39
  marathons with Berlin and maybe Frankfurt known as obviously
• 30:44
  Seville, Valencia known as being fast ones over there.
• 30:47
  Yeah, I think I'm didn't. What's your mind keeps on doing?
• 30:50
  Amsterdam once pretty. Yeah, as part of like, was it
• 30:53
  part of like the NN series at one point?
• 30:55
  Maybe, Yeah. So there's some other names
• 30:58
  there as well, Gabriel Ghee who's got APB of two O 3, Gente
• 31:03
  Moller, another 2O3 guy, Gattatu 2O four, and the list goes on.
• 31:08
  But there's also Great Britain's Phil Sessman is in there.
• 31:11
  So if anyone's been watching his YouTube like we shared through
• 31:15
  YouTube Diaries the other week, they'll be well aware that Phil
• 31:18
  is building a long term towards Valencia in December and he's
• 31:22
  running Amsterdam on the way up to try and sneak at least a 5
• 31:25
  second PB to enter the Two O 7 club.
• 31:28
  Just to mention on Chapter Guy, when he did run those 5 and
• 31:32
  10,000 meter records, Perths Matt Ranson was the pacemaker in
• 31:35
  both of those. I think they were like in 2020
• 31:38
  during COVID but pretty cool. Pretty cool gig to have.
• 31:41
  I'm sure you've told me that before.
• 31:43
  There isn't a Mad 1, isn't it? And then like, similar for
• 31:46
  Stewie being involved in Kip Jogi's bizarre Breaking 2
• 31:50
  attempts. Like so sick to be involved in
• 31:52
  things like that. Yeah, I think he was in, I
• 31:55
  remember like, so we're in lockdown, so there was no races,
• 31:58
  but he did a few like solo time trial things.
• 32:01
  Like one of them was around Lake Munga.
• 32:04
  So Lake Munga's 3 1/2 K's around.
• 32:06
  And there was a bit of like a informal like lap of the lake
• 32:09
  challenge and it was like based on a Strava segment and he ran
• 32:12
  that. I can't remember.
• 32:12
  It must have been maybe like 240 per K pace around there just on
• 32:17
  an afternoon. Like there's all like they
• 32:19
  streamed it, but there was just like people walking their dogs
• 32:21
  and all that sort of stuff. And he just absolutely ripped it
• 32:24
  around there and he did. We'd like a 2K time trial under
• 32:28
  5 minutes by 60 seconds a lap for five laps.
• 32:33
  They is very fit. Then then went over to Europe
• 32:35
  and and did those pacing gigs. 10K world record of 2611 that's
• 32:40
  going through AK and 237-A3K in 751.
• 32:46
  A 5K split of 13 O 6. Like that's it.
• 32:50
  If he kept that going for the marathon, he'd run a 150. 29
• 32:57
  guys like that is crazy. Oh my God.
• 33:01
  And you know, when you look at the all time list as well,
• 33:03
  obviously he's at the top, but then the guys who are like
• 33:07
  second, third, fourth, I think the second fastest is like 6
• 33:10
  seconds behind him. And then the third fastest is
• 33:13
  like a further 8 seconds back. So like, they're out there on
• 33:16
  their own almost as well. Yeah.
• 33:18
  Have you seen? His agent.
• 33:19
  Was it when world world cross country champs were in Uganda?
• 33:23
  Have you seen the the footage of him when he's in front and he
• 33:27
  has like a Cooper tears type finish but further out he yeah
• 33:32
  the lactate sniper gets him bad. It's worth a watch.
• 33:37
  Yeah, running at those sorts of paces as well.
• 33:39
  Once you're flooded with lactate there, there's certainly no
• 33:41
  coming back, is there? His agent isn't that other prick
• 33:44
  from Italy. This.
• 33:45
  He's a guy from that. So for the woman's side of that
• 33:49
  Amsterdam race, I'm not sure there's any meaningful names in
• 33:53
  terms of like people who I can relate to, but there's certainly
• 33:56
  some fast women there. So there's four or five sub 220
• 34:00
  women and last year it was born in 217 something.
• 34:04
  So just further backing up that it is a fast course.
• 34:06
  And again, when I was looking into that, it prompted me to see
• 34:10
  Paula Radcliffe's 215 time still kind of like on the all time
• 34:15
  list. So then I was like, well, I know
• 34:17
  she's the fastest Brit ever still.
• 34:20
  So went and dug that list out. And even in this day and age,
• 34:25
  given Paula Radcliffe's time was run in 2003, she's obviously
• 34:29
  still the the British record holder.
• 34:31
  No one's got within 6 minutes of it, which is outrageous.
• 34:38
  Like, how does that make sense? This is the second fastest all
• 34:41
  times. Carly Thackery from earlier 221,
• 34:44
  six minutes off. Yeah, I suppose a bit the same
• 34:47
  if that was an Aussie, right? So yeah.
• 34:49
  Yeah, so it'd be like someone now breaking through and going
• 34:52
  and running 215. Incredible.
• 34:54
  What age is Paula Radcliffe? 48.
• 34:56
  She's 51 in a diver is literally 49 or 48.
• 35:02
  She's like 2 years on her. How much Nate divers running the
• 35:04
  70 minute half marathon. She's yeah.
• 35:07
  That's so cool. You, you I've just realized
• 35:09
  though, and you said earlier that you missed the results of
• 35:12
  Centro and Galen rough and then we just whizzed over it again
• 35:15
  and didn't didn't mention them. But Centro, who's the former
• 35:19
  Olympic champ over the 1500 was also run in Chicago, wasn't he?
• 35:23
  And he ran a small PB of 222, which is is funny because ahead
• 35:28
  of the race, there's a few media outlets kind of trying to
• 35:31
  distinguish that, although he ran it.
• 35:33
  He ran Chicago last year and ran 224.
• 35:36
  This year was his inverted commas competitive debut.
• 35:39
  But he again, inverted commas only ran 222.
• 35:43
  So I heard Ryan Gregson, I think it was saying like a guarantee.
• 35:47
  Yeah, he wasn't. He wasn't going for that.
• 35:50
  Like if he really tried someone of his talent and ability, he
• 35:54
  would have run faster. What I remember hearing him say
• 35:57
  in the lead up that he had a few goals of like 1 to run APB, 2 to
• 36:01
  break 2:20 and 3:00 to try and bit break 218.
• 36:05
  So based on like what he said there, I don't think he would
• 36:09
  have been jogging that 222. And it looks like he's kind of
• 36:13
  had a bad day. If you can say as much.
• 36:16
  It sounds like there's lots of fun going on in Dean's house
• 36:18
  there. I'll keep jumping on and off
• 36:21
  mute, sorry. I'm sorry for jumping back and
• 36:24
  forth between different races and events, but I think we are
• 36:29
  on to the Dublin Marathon from next week.
• 36:31
  It would be wrong for me to speak about this when we have
• 36:34
  our very own Dubliner on the show or.
• 36:37
  Is that a? That's a probably fighting,
• 36:39
  Yeah, yeah. I'm a maid man.
• 36:42
  Is that like saying Ryan's from Liverpool?
• 36:44
  Yeah. Or maybe Manchester.
• 36:46
  Yeah, Manchester, Yeah. So before we jump into Dublin
• 36:50
  marathon, just just literally it's just happened right there,
• 36:53
  but a man called Fergal Curtain from a place called y'all in
• 36:57
  County Cork. He has just raced the marathon
• 37:02
  in South Korea. Now I'm not sure that Martin's
• 37:04
  name some South Korean name, but yeah, he's after running two O
• 37:10
  754, which is nearly a 92nd like PB of the Irish marathon record.
• 37:17
  He previously ran Copenhagen Half Marathon, where he ran
• 37:23
  6022, so we knew he was fit. But yeah, he's after winning
• 37:29
  that marathon in South Korea and breaking the Irish national
• 37:32
  record, lowering it by 90 seconds.
• 37:34
  His splits are crazy. He started off.
• 37:38
  His first 5K was 14, it was 1548, and he was literally just
• 37:45
  negative split it to perfection. He finished.
• 37:48
  His last 5K would have been 1452.
• 37:52
  But yeah, just crazy. I thought he was actually
• 37:54
  running Dublin, but apparently not.
• 37:56
  I think he's doing Singapore next.
• 37:58
  But yeah, it's just crazy to think like a couple of years ago
• 38:01
  the Irish marathon was 209. I know like 207 is like pretty.
• 38:06
  It's legit. And we're getting up there with
• 38:08
  some of the best in the world. And I think he ran it solo the
• 38:11
  whole way. Yeah.
• 38:14
  Verbal Curtain from Ireland. Some of his PBS over 1500.
• 38:17
  He's run 346. His 3000 meter PB is 750.
• 38:22
  His five KPB is 133410 KPB of 2825.
• 38:29
  Yes. Half marathon was one hour and
• 38:31
  22 seconds, and then it's marathon record before this was
• 38:35
  211. So yeah, absolutely crazy stuff.
• 38:39
  Young lad from Cork, 27 years old, but yeah, incredible
• 38:45
  results and yeah, he wouldn't appointment of course like
• 38:48
  Valencia and you never know what could happen.
• 38:50
  But yeah, for curtain, new Irish marathon record.
• 38:53
  Congrats. No, yeah.
• 38:54
  Dublin marathon. Well, it is the biggest marathon
• 38:57
  in Ireland and we always get a few decent Kenyans.
• 39:00
  I feel like it's like the Kenyans and like jumping block.
• 39:03
  They run Dublin they win it and like it like it's a well known
• 39:06
  marathon, not like a the near world major but like it's well
• 39:09
  known. I think it's good stepping stone
• 39:11
  then to like jump onto a bigger marathon.
• 39:12
  Our guest star in a bigger marathon with a nice appearance
• 39:15
  fee at these first one demands Hillary keep Sambu with a
• 39:20
  personal best of two O 4 Sweden Samuel TC gay with APB of two O
• 39:26
  6 in Ethiopia's Safa Teferra and brands our way away you are.
• 39:34
  They're like big names basically.
• 39:35
  So I think Dublin Martin was one in a two O 6.
• 39:38
  So to have a 2O four guy there like the weather's cool.
• 39:42
  The course isn't the flattest, so look.
• 39:45
  Is that because a lot of it is in that?
• 39:47
  What's the park called? Phoenix Park.
• 39:49
  The Phoenix Park, yeah, there's a few big poles and Dublin
• 39:52
  wouldn't be the fast. Well, it's pretty flat, but it's
• 39:54
  not the flat city. Irish wise, you've got em.
• 39:56
  Ryan Creech and who is one of the best marathoners that
• 40:00
  Ireland have produced, while also you've Paul O'Donnell, who
• 40:03
  was sort of like Ryan Creatures like he's been there for years,
• 40:09
  represented Ireland Olympics and Paulo Donnell is sort of like on
• 40:11
  the rise. So he's APB of 210, which he ran
• 40:14
  in New York. Well, also Jacob Regan, who I
• 40:17
  actually would have ran against in the in the 10 mile.
• 40:19
  I would have run a lot of the race with him.
• 40:21
  He'll be making his marketing debut and he won the half
• 40:24
  marathon earlier on the year. So like from an Irish racing
• 40:27
  point like. It's really it's not on at the
• 40:30
  best time of year. Like for me, let's say if I
• 40:32
  wanted to do Dublin, like that's sort of my cross country season
• 40:35
  gone. So I feel like you sort of have
• 40:37
  to have to pick and especially like Valencia half marathon is
• 40:40
  on next weekend, I think, and it sort of takes you out of
• 40:44
  Valencia. Like if you're doing Dublin,
• 40:47
  sort of knocks you over like a load of other ones.
• 40:49
  On the women's side, Basa from I'm not going to try and say her
• 40:52
  first name Basa from Ethiopia. She's won a she's a three time
• 40:56
  major marathon winner with a season's best of 228.
• 41:01
  And fellow Ethiopian Tulu not going to pronounce her first
• 41:03
  name either with a PB of 224 last year in Seville, while also
• 41:07
  Kenyans Lillian Chip career Chevy, who's a PB of to 25,
• 41:13
  which he ran this year. So yeah, umm, again, like them
• 41:18
  made to 20 for a woman in Dublin would be phenomenal.
• 41:22
  And on the Irish side, you've got Amir McGlynn, which is just
• 41:24
  a Stallworth and Irish distant running this.
• 41:26
  She's seeking her third like tile in a row.
• 41:29
  So back-to-back to back-to-back to back.
• 41:31
  She ran to 34 in 2024. Well, they're a little bit off
• 41:36
  like the top Kenyans, like still very, very, very good time.
• 41:40
  Additionally, Nicholas Sheridan, who's actually from Mead, she's
• 41:43
  a local and she's after spending a bit of time in Australia, she
• 41:49
  her last long run was that she does, she's on Melbourne.
• 41:51
  Well, she done 20 odd K in Melbourne, so she's flying home
• 41:55
  to run Dublin and she won the Dublin City Half Marathon
• 41:59
  earlier on in the year, which was like a big breakout race for
• 42:02
  her. So it'll be interesting to see
• 42:03
  how she goes. Well, yeah, prize money for the
• 42:10
  first. If you come first, you get umm,
• 42:12
  15 grand back in 7.5 third, five grand, 4th 2.50.
• 42:18
  This all in Aussie dot uh, S of the American dollar and it pays
• 42:23
  the whole way down to 8. So if you come eight, you still
• 42:24
  get £500 and then because it's like our national championships
• 42:28
  and the top Irish get em get bonuses as they run certain
• 42:33
  times. So if you run like a sub to 12
• 42:37
  and you come first, you get like 15, you have 5, an extra $5000
• 42:40
  for the lads and for the women, if you run like a sub 229 you
• 42:45
  get 5 grand. So yeah.
• 42:47
  And if you again that's the time bonuses.
• 42:50
  And if you win just first Irish home you get an extra €3500, you
• 42:55
  get second you get €2500 and 3rd you get €1500, which which is
• 43:00
  pretty shit when you put it in terms of like Australia, What
• 43:03
  did the first Australian get in Sydney?
• 43:05
  30 grand Aussie like, but even I think Connor Manz as first
• 43:09
  American, I think his payday was maybe it was like 15 grand for
• 43:13
  first American and then 20 or something like that for or maybe
• 43:19
  30 grand for being 4th overall. Like I think he only walked away
• 43:23
  with 45,000 US, which you'd think for what he did.
• 43:26
  Yeah, was, which was pretty remarkable talks to how
• 43:28
  competitive the the Aussie only prize money was better than
• 43:32
  Chicago, which is pretty cool. Yeah, but he would have a load
• 43:34
  of, let's say he would have made loads of money off Nike, like
• 43:37
  his contract for breaking the American record.
• 43:39
  He would have got loads of bonuses.
• 43:40
  Without question, but I think it talks to these races.
• 43:43
  Yeah. Like Sydney being really good
• 43:45
  incentive, but in terms of like time incentives, I like, I think
• 43:50
  that's cool. I think the Gold Coast marathon,
• 43:53
  which is often the area championships for Aussies, they
• 43:56
  do the same thing. And it's sort of tears as you
• 43:58
  run, you know, because what's this?
• 44:00
  This ranges and Irish athletes get time bonuses for men if they
• 44:03
  run between anything under 216 and for women anything under
• 44:07
  233. And then for every minute or
• 44:11
  half, every half a minute, there's and add a time bonus,
• 44:14
  which is just, you know, it's just encouraging local athletes
• 44:18
  to pick for and participate in it, which is, which is a great
• 44:22
  idea. And that Gold Coast Marathon
• 44:23
  does the same thing, which I think is cool.
• 44:26
  There's like 5 people in Ireland that can run under 216 like
• 44:29
  there's. Not.
• 44:30
  Is that right? Yeah, there's not a lot.
• 44:32
  It's. Pretty safe money then.
• 44:34
  Yeah. It looks GE generous for their
• 44:36
  geniuses really marketing that Steve Scullion when he did I
• 44:39
  thought he ran under 210 when he ran well, that's where he ran.
• 44:43
  Or maybe he. Ran 211.
• 44:44
  Yeah. Was he third one year when he.
• 44:47
  Turned that year he came from so far back.
• 44:49
  Yeah, and he ran over the top of a couple of Kenyans, nearly
• 44:52
  caught another one, didn't he? Right.
• 44:54
  Right before the. And what shoes?
• 44:56
  Was he in Under Armour? He's in Under Armour kit.
• 44:58
  Was he in Under Armour shoes then?
• 45:00
  Yeah, he responsibly Under Armour so.
• 45:02
  Impressive. Yeah, because generally, you
• 45:04
  know, like all their shoe like other models of shoes from ASIC,
• 45:08
  the DAS, like UMA, like you're familiar with like that sub tier
• 45:12
  shoes. Whereas Under Armour you hear
• 45:15
  absolutely, I think they've a velocity or something like that.
• 45:18
  Like you hear absolutely nothing.
• 45:19
  Like you know, Nike, they've the Romero, they're the structure.
• 45:22
  Adidas have the SL2, the Evo, like you know, all this stuff
• 45:26
  for other brands, but Under Armour year absolutely nothing.
• 45:29
  And they have a few pro teams, which is I know they need to
• 45:32
  better the merchant. Yeah, they need to, Yeah, get
• 45:35
  out and sell their shoes to the masses if they're.
• 45:38
  You know, on that prize money conversation you're having, I
• 45:40
  seen it a post on Instagram comparing breaking the world
• 45:44
  record in athletics and it was using Mondo Deplantis as the
• 45:48
  example because probably because he breaks them every week and
• 45:51
  pays $100,000. Whereas it was comparing to
• 45:55
  tennis and I think it's Zverev and Setsa Pass.
• 46:00
  They've just been part of this like exhibition tournament in
• 46:02
  Saudi Arabia. And I'm well aware you've got to
• 46:05
  be careful what you wish for because it's kind of like
• 46:08
  getting Saudis involved to feel like just froze away like the
• 46:11
  integrity or like the kind of high level competition.
• 46:15
  But it was saying that they just got paid 1.5 million as it like
• 46:18
  an appearance fee and neither of them won a set.
• 46:21
  Whereas Duplantis is breaking the world record and he gets
• 46:24
  paid $100,000. I don't know either them tennis
• 46:27
  players either. Do you know?
• 46:30
  Top five? Probably.
• 46:32
  Of Ireland, got any decent tennis players anyone's pin your
• 46:35
  hopes on? But.
• 46:36
  Ireland doesn't really have the weather for like tennis courts.
• 46:40
  More squash? No, I maybe.
• 46:42
  I don't know any tennis players from Ireland.
• 46:45
  Has any of you tried that sport paddle?
• 46:47
  It seems to be a bit of a revelation at the minute.
• 46:50
  Yeah, a mate of mine's built a court actually, so which is
• 46:53
  pretty cool. In his garden.
• 46:55
  He's got a built a retreat on his parents house and he's built
• 46:57
  a paddle court as part of the connected to the retreat.
• 47:00
  Jesus Christ. I'm going to build a tiring
• 47:03
  track while there's other. Josh Howie style.
• 47:06
  Yeah. That's actually parents got a
• 47:08
  bit of few some free paddocks out the back.
• 47:11
  So do yours Owen. We both get them done.
• 47:14
  Yeah, I'll take that alone. Easy double training camps at
• 47:17
  the the the the two ranches. Only for my when you actually
• 47:20
  have to slave labor and hunt some cattle and mock out some
• 47:25
  sheds to use the track. Cross training, yeah.
• 47:28
  I don't know about this actually, I'm I'm sorry I
• 47:30
  shocked up in one bed apartment. Dean's got a sauna in his garden
• 47:34
  when he's got like a separate house in his garden with his own
• 47:37
  bloody treadmill and running gym.
• 47:40
  Well, the treadmill is gone. Treadmill got returned.
• 47:42
  Oh. Yeah.
• 47:43
  What's the line? Yeah, cash.
• 47:44
  Back. I'm waiting for my cash back,
• 47:46
  hopefully I get it back. Apparently it's been sent.
• 47:49
  But yeah, my treadmill dream is has gone out the window,
• 47:51
  unfortunately. This year anyway.
• 47:53
  You might look for another. I don't like, I don't know.
• 47:56
  We'll see what happens. You just rock the hive is
• 47:58
  instead, you reckon? I bought a hive is from Amazon
• 48:01
  there and I've got me headlight. So it's just when the roads get
• 48:04
  icy here, that's when you've got the like you cooked slip or
• 48:08
  something, something like that, so.
• 48:09
  Yeah, get back on the treadmill. What about like a secondhand or
• 48:12
  refurb? There's no options for that.
• 48:14
  Well, that's that what this one was secondhand and I got like a
• 48:17
  feeling I got lucky if I get my money back because imagine
• 48:20
  spending like a lot a couple of grand on a treadmill and then
• 48:25
  only Friday three months, 6 month warranty on this one, like
• 48:27
  I'd be stuck with a broken treadmill.
• 48:28
  So yeah, I don't know like and my car is old so I have to watch
• 48:33
  that. I think I need a car before a
• 48:34
  treadmill nearly at this stage, so we'll see.
• 48:37
  Get a bike. Ryan's got 2 now.
• 48:39
  Yeah, no, no one's came in with any bids for the gravel bike
• 48:42
  yet. It's a bit niche, although you
• 48:43
  should have said you know who you are as part of it and sign
• 48:47
  it. I think that might devalue it
• 48:51
  after my cycling stories. After your 32nd at the Whatever
• 48:56
  race, that was what was. The bike, it's a ballad.
• 48:58
  You gravel, right? It's it's prestigious.
• 49:01
  They are actually both in our building and work.
• 49:04
  They provide free bike service so you can you can book in with
• 49:08
  them. Usually $99.00.
• 49:10
  The building will do it for free, which is ideal.
• 49:12
  Have you got to make the most of that then?
• 49:14
  Yeah, they're both booked in for the next round of services.
• 49:18
  Right, Owen? Shall you give us your training
• 49:21
  week or like you build up to a race you plan for tomorrow, you
• 49:25
  choose how much you want to? Yeah, well, I don't think any of
• 49:28
  the boys listen to this podcast, so we're safe enough.
• 49:30
  They won't know my tactics and I won't be near the front either.
• 49:33
  So. Right.
• 49:36
  So Monday was off the long run. And what did I do on Monday?
• 49:44
  Monday's not just. So I don't really do two runs a
• 49:47
  day now. Taper, try and freshen up.
• 49:50
  So no easy double S unfortunately.
• 49:54
  But yeah, I done 45 minutes and then I done 10 by 50m.
• 49:59
  Like we call them turnabouts. So normally if I do strides, I
• 50:03
  like let's say I stride for like 10 seconds and then I jog back.
• 50:07
  Whereas these 50m turnabouts I like like go 50 meters.
• 50:12
  I like I jog a little bit past turn and then go again.
• 50:15
  So the recovery is less. I'm not sure what the purpose of
• 50:18
  them is, but yeah get the legs moving after 45 minutes.
• 50:22
  Tuesday was like my last session.
• 50:24
  Oh 15 minute warm up and cool down and then I done so 1 by 20
• 50:29
  minutes at like threshold, the higher end of threshold and then
• 50:33
  I just don't 1K. So I had 6 minutes break and now
• 50:36
  I just don't 1K. The 20 minute threshold was like
• 50:39
  around three O 9 feeling pretty good Yeah, it was pretty flat.
• 50:44
  Normally I did my thresholds on the Grolin Hills.
• 50:46
  So on the flat I sort of got moving and yeah, feeling good.
• 50:50
  Did you, did you go a bit to a bit of a higher heart rate now
• 50:53
  off the back of the testing? Yeah, so I'm allowed to go up to
• 50:58
  1 like this one's between like 176 and 182.
• 51:01
  So just sit between there and like a melt hold out for like a
• 51:07
  decent period of time and it. Feels all right.
• 51:09
  Doesn't feel like you're like flat to the boards over, over,
• 51:13
  you know, like, doesn't feel like a race effort.
• 51:15
  Still feels, you know, all right.
• 51:16
  At the start, at the start it did like now I feel like like
• 51:19
  it's like it's not comfy, but it's not comfy hard.
• 51:23
  Like I feel like I could sit on it for a while.
• 51:25
  Yeah, cool. So which is?
• 51:26
  Which is positive? And then with UK, what's the
• 51:29
  instruction there? Is it to bury yourself or is it
• 51:33
  have you got a target pace for that?
• 51:34
  Not really well in the program was to 5K.
• 51:37
  I went a little bit faster than 5K pace but like I felt good.
• 51:40
  So I ran the KNM 2:45. On this as well or you gravel
• 51:45
  track? Not me gravel track.
• 51:47
  Oh the K felt good, but now it is only one K.
• 51:51
  Would it be able to hold that for another 4?
• 51:53
  Absolutely not. But yeah legs are coming around
• 51:57
  so happy with that one. Then Tuesday normally do a bike
• 52:02
  but because the running volume is like loaded I just don't umm
• 52:05
  50 minute easy. And then that evening I just
• 52:07
  don't know a circus class, not like circuit classes like pretty
• 52:11
  low weight as it is and I just don't last ways just try and
• 52:15
  ease off. Thursday I don't for 5 minutes
• 52:18
  and then 8 by 8 seconds strides and then in the evening I'd on
• 52:23
  gym and this was like have your reps but I have your weight but
• 52:26
  low reps So it was like 3 reps and like a squat or something
• 52:29
  like that. So literally totally deloading.
• 52:32
  Friday I just don't 30 minutes shake out the legs today.
• 52:36
  Now later on I'll do eh, I sort of try and like run now at the
• 52:42
  time I'll be running the race. It's just a little thing I do
• 52:45
  like on the lead up to race. So normally because I do all my
• 52:48
  run super early or super late, like my race is on like 2:20 to
• 52:52
  on Sunday. So umm, like I'll try and get
• 52:55
  out today at round. Like my sister is playing a
• 52:57
  football game at 2:00. So I can't get out at the exact
• 52:59
  time, but I'll try and get out like half 1011 just to sort of
• 53:03
  like mimic what I'll be doing. So it's just 30 minutes and I've
• 53:07
  3 by 200 meters. I'll probably like 5K pace, like
• 53:10
  the races I should not even short the disc.
• 53:13
  I think it's 7 1/2 or 8K. And Oh yeah, a little bit like
• 53:17
  around 5K pace for these two again just to get the legs
• 53:20
  moving. And then tomorrow I'll get up
• 53:22
  early, I'll do a 30 minute shakeout, just shake out the
• 53:25
  legs. And yeah, it's called the
• 53:28
  autumn. Opened my tank.
• 53:29
  There is a good few lads faster than me so I forget like top
• 53:34
  2015. I'd be happy.
• 53:36
  It's just really to see like where how close I am to like the
• 53:40
  big boys because a lot of them were away on a training camp in
• 53:43
  front or MO so Atlantic Ireland paid for that.
• 53:45
  So just to see where I am with them because like I still down a
• 53:48
  four weeks to the big like the big dance, let's say nationals.
• 53:51
  So it's just basically like a warm up race to see how I'm
• 53:54
  going. Just in terms of like context,
• 53:56
  like is it like cross country season?
• 53:58
  Like do you represent a club? And then it did.
• 54:00
  Does it count towards like a perpetual, like a shield or
• 54:03
  anything like that? Like and disease race.
• 54:06
  Is that part of anything? So it is cross country season,
• 54:09
  but like it's not like athletics Victoria where there's actually
• 54:13
  like a series, there's none. Like there's literally and
• 54:15
  Ireland it's really weird. So you've got like there's
• 54:19
  different age grades. So once you're a senior athlete,
• 54:21
  you've got there's a novice. So let's say there is where I'm
• 54:24
  from, there's me, it's my county.
• 54:26
  So you've got me novice one Week, 2 weeks later there could
• 54:30
  be me it or intermediate. And like in December they're
• 54:34
  senior. So you've got three different
• 54:36
  age groups that I could run in as like an older athlete if you
• 54:40
  get me as. So if you're a younger kid,
• 54:42
  there would be like uneven ages, uneven ages under 12141618 or
• 54:48
  under 11131517 just to give everyone a best chance.
• 54:53
  But because before I came to Australia, I came like it's
• 54:57
  basically a way of getting people running because like the
• 55:00
  novice and intermediate wouldn't be near as competitive as the
• 55:02
  senior. So because I came third in a
• 55:05
  national novice or something like that, that ruled me out of
• 55:08
  all novice, ruled me out of all intermediate.
• 55:12
  So now I only have senior. So basically I have two races,
• 55:14
  well three races I've got this autumn Open, I've got nationals
• 55:18
  in November and then in December I've got Meads, which is like
• 55:23
  normally as the underage athlete you have to like come top five
• 55:26
  or 12 in Mead to then jump on to Leinster, then jump on to
• 55:30
  Ireland. Those like qualifying stages,
• 55:32
  whereas senior sort of goes out the window and so it jumps from
• 55:34
  senior and then in December I'll have the Mead cross country.
• 55:38
  That's cool. That makes a lot of sense.
• 55:39
  And then in terms of the actual national cross, will that be a
• 55:43
  selection race for European cross?
• 55:44
  Is that why a lot of people would be doing it?
• 55:46
  Yeah, so top five get picked to represent Ireland in the
• 55:51
  European cross country, which is so national cross for me is on
• 55:55
  the 23rd of November and then European cross country is on the
• 55:58
  14th of December and that is in Portugal this year.
• 56:03
  So yeah, it's a good chance to represent Ireland.
• 56:05
  Basically all of the all of the good lads show up.
• 56:10
  Umm, no, it's exciting. I love cross country because
• 56:12
  sort of like a leveler as in sort of like the heat, like it
• 56:17
  neutralizes the playing field. So you could be really, really
• 56:20
  light and fast. Whereas if you're cross country,
• 56:21
  certainly that strength aspect, when it's sort of levels the
• 56:24
  playing fields, it'll be interesting to see how you get
• 56:26
  on. You've got that dog in you as
• 56:28
  well. Well, I don't know about that,
• 56:29
  but we'll say you will say. The setup of cross country in
• 56:34
  the UK is similar as well. So you would run for your club
• 56:37
  both as an individual, but your your club is also competing in a
• 56:41
  team leaderboard. So like the top 4 or whatever
• 56:45
  for your club points are combined and it starts in
• 56:48
  similarly in the county championships, which would be
• 56:51
  like, I don't know, maybe Perth, like north of the river, South
• 56:56
  of the river, that sort of size. And then I think it goes into
• 56:59
  like Northerns, Midlands and southern.
• 57:02
  And then if your team club qualifies in like the top
• 57:06
  however many, then you qualify for nationals.
• 57:09
  So like some clubs will obviously they're good year on
• 57:12
  year and they're not really bothered about counties or the
• 57:15
  Northerns or Southerns because they know they're going to be at
• 57:18
  nationals and it's all about competing at nationals.
• 57:20
  Whereas for others who are lower down, it's like a big deal to
• 57:24
  qualify for northerns or to then qualify for nationals.
• 57:27
  So I know the the captain of my club back home, he's trying to
• 57:30
  drive the cross country methodology and some of the guys
• 57:35
  are a little bit reluctant to get on board because of the, the
• 57:38
  cold weather and the dark boggy fields.
• 57:41
  He's yeah. So like every now and then he'll
• 57:43
  he'll send me like a question through or for like some of the
• 57:46
  pros who you know, like a lot of them take cross country
• 57:49
  seriously, like it forms a legit part of their season and they're
• 57:52
  planning, doesn't it serves a purpose.
• 57:55
  So the this guy Rob, he'll send through like our ask so and so
• 57:59
  about cross country or like try and get us to share our opinion
• 58:03
  on it because he's trying to get some buy in from the other lads
• 58:06
  at the club. Like me trying to get Andrew
• 58:08
  Coskren to run. So me you'd have a good team
• 58:10
  basically. But is this the rate which is,
• 58:13
  which was the race you were going to try and win, which was
• 58:16
  like his local race that's already been and gone, you won
• 58:19
  that. Yeah, Yeah, I won that, yeah.
• 58:21
  Is he aware, do you think? I don't think so.
• 58:24
  I don't know. For him, yeah.
• 58:26
  That's just like a way like lower level me, like this one
• 58:29
  here. I think it's on the, it's I
• 58:31
  guess a World Athletic Series race.
• 58:33
  You can get points this from this race because I know a few,
• 58:37
  the other lads are doing a race in Spain.
• 58:39
  It's like a gold label me but I don't know what label this one
• 58:42
  is, but it has a label so you can get points from us.
• 58:45
  So yeah. Do you mean to help them with
• 58:47
  their world ranking for the track?
• 58:50
  Yeah, I think so, yeah. I remember might have been the
• 58:53
  Coffee Club guys talking about it a little while ago.
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  But sometimes because you can't compare the times like you can
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  in a road or a track race, the points are just allocated based
• 59:04
  on I think place. And there's quite a generous
• 59:07
  amount of points. So some of these like that was
• 59:09
  the way of getting into the quota was by doing some of these
• 59:12
  cross country races because they're sort of very generous in
• 59:15
  their point allocation, which is sort of a bit, yeah, not ideal
• 59:19
  in some ways. But then in other ways, like the
• 59:21
  whole point of this world athletic system is to get people
• 59:23
  to compete in their local championships and to then if
• 59:27
  they do well in them and everyone races each other,
• 59:29
  they're the ones who get to represent the country.
• 59:31
  So yeah, not against it. I think it's good.
• 59:33
  There's actually an Aussie in the race tomorrow and his name
• 59:37
  is Thomas Alphabin and he actually ran in Perth.
• 59:43
  So he ran fourteen O 8 at the National 5K in Perth.
• 59:48
  Get out. So we were trackside watching
• 59:50
  him and now he's racing it's. Like don't know what he's doing
• 59:54
  over here, but yeah, he's come over to Ireland to be real cross
• 59:59
  country. Get my sister has to go up to
• 1:00:01
  black to Dublin later to get me some like spikes.
• 1:00:04
  So the spikes to go into your spikes them like obviously the
• 1:00:07
  track ones are like 3 mil, whereas now I need like 15 mil
• 1:00:11
  and 12 mil. So like big like daggers
• 1:00:13
  basically coming out of your ear spikes.
• 1:00:17
  I don't think do they even sell 15 mil and 12 mil in Australia
• 1:00:21
  for your golf courses. You do for for for AFL, maybe
• 1:00:26
  Alpha to date that it probably is D Thatcher's for Lawn but not
• 1:00:32
  for actual cross country, yeah. So yeah, that's my week.
• 1:00:36
  How are you guys? Well, good, good luck for that
• 1:00:38
  as well before we move on. And if anyone wants to follow
• 1:00:41
  Owen's race results, then TuneIn to Strava, because otherwise
• 1:00:44
  we'll have to be waiting 8 days or so to find out the results of
• 1:00:48
  his race. Yeah, even though I don't think
• 1:00:50
  I'll wear a watch, I might just put up the result because across
• 1:00:52
  country, like it's totally irrelevant wearing a watch.
• 1:00:55
  Yeah, so I'll probably ditch to watch it.
• 1:00:57
  I will post something on survival but yeah just me and
• 1:01:00
  the effort basically. Well, yeah, Dean, tell us about
• 1:01:03
  your recovery journey because you obviously missed kind of
• 1:01:06
  like the train and chat last week and I know you've been
• 1:01:09
  doing a bit of experimentation. Yeah, yeah.
• 1:01:12
  And it's not too experimental, sort of following some sort of
• 1:01:16
  guided program. But yeah, so I was in Melbourne
• 1:01:19
  at the start of the week, so Monday, Tuesday was just
• 1:01:24
  ellipticals and gyms. So just at the local hotel gym.
• 1:01:28
  I managed to sneak back in there even on the Tuesday.
• 1:01:30
  I flew home Tuesday night, but got back in there Tuesday
• 1:01:33
  afternoon for a bit more elliptical running, but nothing
• 1:01:36
  too exciting other than just doing my regular gym exercises
• 1:01:40
  and and all that sort of stuff on the Monday, Tuesday.
• 1:01:43
  But yeah, Wednesday I was on the altar G and yes, I wouldn't have
• 1:01:47
  spoken about this last week I don't think.
• 1:01:49
  But yeah, thanks again to people that commented, particularly a
• 1:01:53
  couple of Perth locals. Is that another comment?
• 1:01:56
  I know Brian, we mentioned it perhaps on the pod and Suzanne
• 1:02:00
  also messaged me just to give me some context.
• 1:02:04
  So, yeah, so where we've been swimming on Wednesday, I'm back
• 1:02:08
  in Perth Rd. from the office to Beatty Park Leisure Centre,
• 1:02:13
  where there's a pool where we're normally the water running or
• 1:02:16
  swimming laps hop on the altar G, which is this anti gravity
• 1:02:20
  treadmill. So the idea is that it's a it
• 1:02:23
  looks like a regular treadmill, but around it, you sort of step
• 1:02:26
  into it and you, you put on a pair of half tights that have
• 1:02:29
  like a bit of a loop around it and you zip yourself into sort
• 1:02:34
  of the bottom half. So from the waist down, you sort
• 1:02:36
  of it's like it's like a bouncing castle type material
• 1:02:40
  that's basically encapsulated from where the the arm bars are
• 1:02:44
  on the treadmill and down is like a big bubble.
• 1:02:47
  And you can and you, you press a button to calibrate it and the,
• 1:02:50
  the treadmill then just blows a heap of air into like into the
• 1:02:53
  into the leg part of the treadmill to basically work out
• 1:02:57
  how hard does that air need to blow in order to lift you off
• 1:03:01
  the ground. So it's quite a funny sensation,
• 1:03:03
  but once you've done that, it then knows what, how, what
• 1:03:06
  intensity it needs to essentially blow air to sort of
• 1:03:09
  deload your legs. So the protocol I was given for
• 1:03:12
  as a return to run of sorts was that I could do 30 minutes on
• 1:03:16
  the altar G 1st 10 minutes at 15% at 50% body weight, then 60%
• 1:03:22
  body weight, then 70% body weight.
• 1:03:26
  And I think I said it at 14 KS an hour.
• 1:03:29
  I would have said it, I started slower, but it's actually feels
• 1:03:32
  I, I had my heart rate monitor on.
• 1:03:33
  It just felt too easy. I don't know if it was the right
• 1:03:38
  thing to do. I probably, I haven't caught up
• 1:03:40
  with Steve yet, but yeah, said it at that.
• 1:03:41
  And yeah, didn't have any pain and actually really enjoyed what
• 1:03:45
  felt like going for a run. And it was made more
• 1:03:48
  entertaining because I think it's double sided glass, but you
• 1:03:50
  can see out into the pool and in the pool was Ryan doing his
• 1:03:54
  doing his laps. So, so, yeah, so that was, that
• 1:03:59
  was certainly made the time go, go quicker.
• 1:04:01
  That's for sure. Saying Ryan front crawling up
• 1:04:03
  and down there, up and down the pool.
• 1:04:07
  But yeah, it's good. I've yeah.
• 1:04:09
  So I've done that twice this week, once last week and I've
• 1:04:12
  sort of got the clearance to do that every second day.
• 1:04:14
  I think I did 40 minutes on Fri. Yeah.
• 1:04:17
  So last night I did 40 minutes of that.
• 1:04:19
  So the last 20 minutes at 70%, no pain at the minute.
• 1:04:24
  So I'm hoping that I can keep sort of progressing it.
• 1:04:26
  You do notice the feeling. So from 50% feels like not a
• 1:04:29
  lot, but then by the time you're putting 70% load through, it
• 1:04:32
  actually feels fairly similar to running, albeit perhaps how I
• 1:04:36
  once felt when I was fit and gravity didn't hit so hard.
• 1:04:40
  A. Couple of things here.
• 1:04:41
  I did have a laugh when I got back to my phone on that
• 1:04:44
  Wednesday. And you'd been speculating as to
• 1:04:47
  whether I'd make it into the other pool to do my water
• 1:04:49
  running and also whether I'd wandered off into the sauna
• 1:04:52
  instead. And secondly, was super context
• 1:04:56
  for those who've listened to the Cooper tier interview.
• 1:04:59
  This is the machine that Cooper was talking about.
• 1:05:02
  He and Cole used to kind of train over speed.
• 1:05:05
  So they'll run at a reduced percentage of body weight so
• 1:05:09
  that they can run like race pace plus basically like faster than
• 1:05:13
  they would just running outside. But the more traditional use of
• 1:05:18
  this machine might be what Deans using it for, which is to like
• 1:05:21
  gradually reload your your muscles and your bones.
• 1:05:24
  So it's interesting and I'm enjoying listening to kind of
• 1:05:27
  like how you're getting along with it because hopefully it's
• 1:05:30
  something I can maybe progress too soon as well.
• 1:05:33
  Yeah. And in terms of this particular
• 1:05:35
  one, like I think it's connected to a physio center.
• 1:05:37
  So you have to book it for a physio appointment on the 1st
• 1:05:40
  instance to basically get. They basically just show you how
• 1:05:43
  to use it. And then at this place they
• 1:05:45
  leave you be and they sort of have a, whilst the physio
• 1:05:48
  practice is open, you can basically book in at any time.
• 1:05:51
  They seem pretty relaxed around slot times as well.
• 1:05:54
  So yeah, I've got gone in, had no trouble sort of using it.
• 1:05:58
  And I think it's healthcare rebatable.
• 1:06:00
  So I think I'm literally out of pocket $5 a session.
• 1:06:02
  So as potentially an option for something to use, particularly
• 1:06:06
  let's say the track on a Tuesday is where I would do some higher
• 1:06:09
  intensity stuff. But maybe this is something
• 1:06:11
  where I can do something a bit quicker without the risk,
• 1:06:13
  similar to sort of what you were saying Ryan is.
• 1:06:16
  Yeah, should be, should be fun. I see.
• 1:06:17
  Certainly you can feel it load up certain areas like through
• 1:06:20
  your hips and hip flexors, you know, because you're moving
• 1:06:23
  reasonably quickly or quicker than what I have in a while.
• 1:06:25
  But it'll be interesting to see as you sort of dial it up, how
• 1:06:28
  things load and does it. I I suspect given you can sort
• 1:06:32
  of toggle with the percentage of body weight, you can probably
• 1:06:34
  get up to a really good speed and not have the same degree of
• 1:06:38
  impact, which should make for a should be fun I think.
• 1:06:42
  You know good. So have you I guess even
• 1:06:45
  considered how many KS you've run this week because of all
• 1:06:48
  that? Oh gosh, I don't know.
• 1:06:51
  Yeah. So in terms of yeah, well, I
• 1:06:52
  guess I did that, yeah, twice this week.
• 1:06:55
  They'll probably like 9 KS a session, I think on the Alta G
• 1:06:59
  and then and then, yeah, 2 ellipticals.
• 1:07:01
  And then I think I've done a bit over 100 KS on the bike, I think
• 1:07:04
  something like that. Few gym sessions.
• 1:07:06
  So it's been my week and then I'll get out for something again
• 1:07:09
  tomorrow. So still a reasonable amount of
• 1:07:11
  cross training, but I think what I am lacking is sort of of
• 1:07:14
  intervals. So I'd like to progress to some
• 1:07:16
  sort of more intensity I think is what I need now, unless,
• 1:07:21
  yeah, unless there's a very likely return to run.
• 1:07:24
  But I need to catch up with Steve I guess.
• 1:07:26
  In terms of medium term, I've got an MRI booked in for the
• 1:07:28
  25th of October and a appointment with the sports doc
• 1:07:31
  7th of November. And I think the council I did
• 1:07:33
  get is let's sort of get these Altar G sessions progressing as
• 1:07:38
  I am to the point where I can do like continuous running it, I
• 1:07:43
  don't know, 70% for 40 minutes or 50 minutes or something like
• 1:07:48
  that. Then that might set me up well
• 1:07:49
  for when I do start running. Just yeah, my actual return to
• 1:07:55
  my actual running it's. Crazy, isn't it, How fast time
• 1:07:57
  passes once you actually do like step back and stop running?
• 1:08:01
  And then then you've got into like the swing of continuing to
• 1:08:04
  train but not running? And how long has it been now?
• 1:08:07
  Like a month or something more. Be six weeks, I think something
• 1:08:11
  like that. Yes.
• 1:08:12
  Seven weeks, maybe. Smart, but yeah, on the right
• 1:08:15
  track anyway. Hopefully same with me.
• 1:08:17
  I've got a catch up with Steve next week.
• 1:08:20
  So I'm hopeful that I can add no to what extent progress the the
• 1:08:24
  rehab and what will change. But definitely I'm not going in
• 1:08:28
  there with like an active mindset to be like it wasn't
• 1:08:32
  responding well to this or whatever.
• 1:08:33
  I'm kind of they're going to see what we can progress to.
• 1:08:37
  So yeah, that's all. Are you still feeling it at all?
• 1:08:40
  I'm aware of it, yeah, but I think I'm going to continue to
• 1:08:43
  be aware of it and I need to. I was explaining to Owen last
• 1:08:47
  week almost like sleepwalk through this return to run
• 1:08:52
  program to the point where like it's always an awareness.
• 1:08:56
  But then in like another six weeks time I might be doing a 45
• 1:09:00
  minute jog and it feels awareness.
• 1:09:03
  Whereas now it's like or you walk 10,000 steps in a day and
• 1:09:07
  you're aware of it. But yeah, I think we just need
• 1:09:10
  to try and progress it. You know what your man Jug on
• 1:09:13
  Cargo or Craig. Oh, he has it's some tendonopia
• 1:09:17
  tendonopathy as well, doesn't he?
• 1:09:19
  I think I've seen something on his socials and he was talking
• 1:09:22
  about like you still have to load it.
• 1:09:23
  Like you sort out like it's going to get angry, but you have
• 1:09:26
  to load it to get it better. But it's just loading it safely
• 1:09:30
  in a way it doesn't get too angry and too inflamed.
• 1:09:33
  But yeah, he's putting like heel pitches in his shoes now to like
• 1:09:37
  because the more drop a shoe has.
• 1:09:39
  So let's say some shoes have 5 mil drops, 8 mil drops, 10 mil
• 1:09:43
  drops. The more drop, the shorter your
• 1:09:46
  Achilles. Like it shortens your Achilles
• 1:09:48
  so it puts less tension on it. Whereas if it's like only A5 mil
• 1:09:52
  drop, it's going to elongate your Achilles, which is going to
• 1:09:56
  put more pressure on it. So maybe you could get like
• 1:09:59
  something for your for your shoes as well to just like
• 1:10:02
  actually put some load true or I don't know.
• 1:10:04
  Yeah, I have got those little inserts and I think you are
• 1:10:07
  right. It's basically a question of
• 1:10:09
  loading it to the point where it becomes uncomfortable then take
• 1:10:13
  a step back and keep like almost like climbing ladders like that.
• 1:10:16
  So, yeah, otherwise like done plenty of cycling and 300 KS or
• 1:10:20
  something and my, I was telling Dean my chorus man, you know
• 1:10:26
  what we've referred to in the past, like his fatigue levels
• 1:10:29
  and stuff. We looked earlier and he was on
• 1:10:31
  62% and said fatigue. So been putting a bit of work
• 1:10:34
  into him, which is good. And it also tracks your so
• 1:10:38
  through like obviously where in the heart rate monitor, it
• 1:10:41
  measures how long you spend in certain heart rate zones and
• 1:10:45
  gives you like a train and load score as a result of that.
• 1:10:47
  And it plots that for out time on a graph.
• 1:10:50
  So you can see in inverted commas your fitness on this
• 1:10:54
  chart. And for a while it was quite
• 1:10:56
  depressing because it was just gradually going down and down
• 1:10:59
  and down as my load was going down.
• 1:11:01
  But the past, I don't know, six weeks or something, it's
• 1:11:04
  actually on a progressive incline.
• 1:11:06
  So it's kind of reassuring that although I'm not doing any
• 1:11:09
  running, I am getting fitter again.
• 1:11:12
  So yeah, that's one thing. It's tough, yes, but it just
• 1:11:15
  makes you more hungry and more grateful when you do come back
• 1:11:18
  and don't take anything for granted and hopefully keep up
• 1:11:21
  these maintenance gym routines. And yeah, you just got to take
• 1:11:25
  the lens from it because like we've seen many times before,
• 1:11:28
  like the professional athletes get injured and they come back
• 1:11:31
  stronger and comes back quicker than you'll know.
• 1:11:34
  So I just can't wait to stop talking about it, that's all.
• 1:11:37
  And actually talk about some run A. 100% you do take for granted
• 1:11:40
  like being able to go out and run and then when you're injured
• 1:11:43
  and you're like shit, like I miss this so, so much.
• 1:11:48
  And so no, I feel for you guys. I'm just, I'm glad selfishly
• 1:11:52
  that I'm not living in England, particularly during this period
• 1:11:56
  because I know like through the lifestyle there, I just wouldn't
• 1:11:59
  be going out cycling and swimming.
• 1:12:02
  I'd just be getting fast and probably drinking every weekend,
• 1:12:05
  so it's keeping me sane over here.
• 1:12:08
  It's so hard over here with the daylight.
• 1:12:11
  It makes such a such a difference.
• 1:12:13
  Like you have to put in a lot of effort to actually get out.
• 1:12:15
  And because everyone works 9:00 to 5:00 and now soon you're
• 1:12:20
  going to get up and it's going to be pitch black and you're
• 1:12:22
  going to go home and it's going to be pitch black.
• 1:12:24
  Which is when the treadmill would have been very handy for
• 1:12:25
  me. But yeah, it's going to get cold
• 1:12:29
  and shit. And it's just, yeah, no.
• 1:12:32
  Well, you've been true this shit Christmas or shit winter.
• 1:12:35
  So now it's our turn. You have so much respect for
• 1:12:38
  those UK island based people who like train through winter and
• 1:12:42
  then go and race in like early spring or whatever because you
• 1:12:46
  just know that they've put the work in and the horrible hours
• 1:12:49
  and like that's the motivation that they need to get the
• 1:12:52
  results, isn't it? Yeah.
• 1:12:53
  Absolutely. Like those dark, cold mornings,
• 1:12:55
  like now they're coming up. It's yeah.
• 1:12:57
  It's just you really need to be a driven person to get up and
• 1:13:00
  get out and do it. We love the sport.
• 1:13:02
  We did comment on that, didn't we Ryan, Just about we probably
• 1:13:06
  a bit lucky in terms of timing of injury, like being in sort of
• 1:13:10
  springtime and it's, you know, the days are getting longer like
• 1:13:13
  in terms of cycling weather, it's like really quite pleasant
• 1:13:16
  and then even getting in the pool it's fairly pleasant.
• 1:13:19
  And so whilst it's been a annoying not to be, I'd still
• 1:13:21
  take running obviously, but like it has been a lot of fun.
• 1:13:24
  Like I've, I got my bike, old bike service.
• 1:13:27
  I was back on my actual bike this week, which was a lot of
• 1:13:30
  fun. And then like getting in the
• 1:13:31
  pools been interesting focusing on gym because you really don't
• 1:13:34
  focus on gym in the same way when you're running because
• 1:13:37
  you're just conscious, so conscious of how it's going to
• 1:13:39
  impact your training sessions. Like having the opportunity to
• 1:13:42
  lean into all these things has been has been good.
• 1:13:47
  I think even like the swim allows you to get some strength
• 1:13:49
  through your upper body which like even if you were doing gym
• 1:13:53
  whilst you are running you're probably just focusing on your
• 1:13:55
  legs and your core and not really doing any like chest,
• 1:13:57
  arm, shoulders and swim just adds another dimension doesn't
• 1:14:01
  it? Not that having strong bloody
• 1:14:03
  shoulders is going to help you run faster, but it all helps
• 1:14:06
  somewhere. Becky and Hal's appreciate it
• 1:14:08
  for sure. Rafted them say to me the other
• 1:14:11
  day. I don't actually know what he
• 1:14:12
  meant by it completely, but I did have my singular cycling
• 1:14:16
  jersey on at the time and he was like, well, you're starting to
• 1:14:19
  look like a triathlete now, Mace And I thought I told back in she
• 1:14:23
  said, are you your ego loves being around RAF because he
• 1:14:27
  boosts. Sure.
• 1:14:29
  I think we're getting to the end now.
• 1:14:30
  So we've got a double troubles to take us home.
• 1:14:33
  Jack Poland sent me a text earlier in the week.
• 1:14:35
  He must have been scrolling Strawber.
• 1:14:38
  It must have got a bit fed though.
• 1:14:40
  I should mention, sorry, one thing I didn't, I forgot to
• 1:14:42
  mention when I was in Melbourne, I caught up with Ben.
• 1:14:46
  Yeah, just a quick mention. So Ben was one of our coaches at
• 1:14:51
  Front Runner, so coaches for quite a few sessions when we're
• 1:14:54
  all running together and he's moved to on to coach under Craig
• 1:14:58
  Mottram on Oceania. So I caught up for him with him
• 1:15:02
  for a quick beer, but yeah, he seems to be settling in very
• 1:15:06
  well. Gave some really cool stories.
• 1:15:08
  Basically has gone from coaching all of us and people from all
• 1:15:13
  walks of life and all abilities to basically has a stable of
• 1:15:18
  there's like 10 on Oceania athletes that he looks after.
• 1:15:21
  And so he spent six weeks in Europe at Saint Moritz in the
• 1:15:24
  lead up to Tokyo, working very closely with the athletes.
• 1:15:28
  And then he just got gotten back from America.
• 1:15:31
  Can't remember where he was there, but they had like a
• 1:15:34
  summit, you know, like an on summit where they all come in
• 1:15:37
  from all the different on groups.
• 1:15:39
  So yeah, got to hang out with the like the athletes.
• 1:15:42
  Like is it like Jared the Goose and and spent time with Dathan
• 1:15:46
  and yeah, so he just said it was, I mean, he's been yes, he's
• 1:15:50
  yeah. Real eye opening.
• 1:15:51
  Really loving the experience. She had some interesting
• 1:15:54
  observations around, you know, coaching professionals versus
• 1:15:56
  coaching amateur athletes. And I think it's just having a
• 1:15:59
  really cool time of it. So yeah, it was a cool, it was a
• 1:16:03
  cool. I I had a quick tour through
• 1:16:05
  like the gym facilities just outside of they have just
• 1:16:08
  outside of Melbourne and he sort of went through one of the
• 1:16:10
  programs he'd just taken the guys on.
• 1:16:13
  It was a Monday afternoon. So they do like, you know,
• 1:16:15
  muscular work on a Monday, so a series of like, activations and,
• 1:16:19
  you know, strides and other sort of plyometrics and all these
• 1:16:22
  drills and bits and pieces that they focus on on a Monday.
• 1:16:24
  But yeah, really cool. Cool to cool to catch up with
• 1:16:26
  him and cool to see him. Yeah.
• 1:16:28
  Really enjoying his new job. Yeah.
• 1:16:30
  But on what an opportunity that is for him over there and
• 1:16:33
  thoroughly deserved as well. Like on reflection, when he
• 1:16:36
  would take those track sessions, his his demeanor just put you at
• 1:16:40
  ease, doesn't it? The way he like delivers the
• 1:16:42
  session with the whiteboard and like you pay 100% attention to
• 1:16:46
  him when he speaks. Like he just that kind of has
• 1:16:48
  that presence and authority that goes with it without being like
• 1:16:53
  overbearing and authoritative that way.
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  Yeah. And I think one of his
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  observations was in terms of his support is, yeah, just being
• 1:16:59
  very present, being very available.
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  And you can be when you're sort of your full time job is making
• 1:17:05
  sure that 10 people are very well looked after.
• 1:17:08
  And I think you just lean into the athletes and they lean on
• 1:17:10
  you because they're, you can only imagine what it must be
• 1:17:13
  like when it's your sole source of income and is is coming from
• 1:17:17
  your running performances. So yeah, pretty cool.
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  I wonder if now the the on athletes are subject to the keep
• 1:17:23
  the train moving boys as they're taking off 400m laps.
• 1:17:28
  There'd be a few things I suspect you'd be sprinkling in
• 1:17:31
  over time for sure. That's class.
• 1:17:33
  Nice that you got to catch up with them as well.
• 1:17:36
  So yet the double trouble to take us home is Jack Poland High
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  Rock special, he says. And then the direct quotas.
• 1:17:45
  Nobody is reading your full session written on a chalkboard
• 1:17:48
  when you put it on your straw. Absolutely no one.
• 1:17:51
  So I think for context, many people may directly understand
• 1:17:55
  what he's referring to, but for those who don't, maybe people
• 1:17:59
  who upload an afternoon warehouse or a morning warehouse
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  and it's been recorded as like a gym activity or a cardio
• 1:18:06
  workout. They're then often attached with
• 1:18:09
  it is a photo of the board in the gym with like 10 by front
• 1:18:13
  lunge, 32nd elliptical into 62nd row into 12 calories, ski egg
• 1:18:21
  into walking lunges times 5. And Jack's obviously just
• 1:18:25
  scrolling through Strava and one too many people have been
• 1:18:28
  uploading a High Rock style workout for his liking.
• 1:18:32
  So there you go. I'm not, I'm not against.
• 1:18:34
  It I laughed out loud when I read it to myself.
• 1:18:37
  It was like so relatable because you actually don't read.
• 1:18:40
  Well, I don't read what they write either.
• 1:18:42
  But no, that's a good on. That's a good.
• 1:18:45
  On I agree, great shout. But Ryan, do you have a bit more
• 1:18:48
  of an open mind? Like I'm literally now writing
• 1:18:50
  on my Strava, my altar Jeep and bits and pieces like that.
• 1:18:53
  So it's like, I don't know. I'm like, I don't even want to.
• 1:18:57
  I don't want to mention what my Striver looks like, but it looks
• 1:18:59
  like this sort of. It's not.
• 1:19:00
  It's not a running week, is it so?
• 1:19:02
  The only thing I do look at it when on those things is
• 1:19:05
  sometimes out of interest, I'll look at how many calories have
• 1:19:09
  been burnt during someone's gym session.
• 1:19:11
  Because sometimes I'll see someone upload like 60 minutes
• 1:19:14
  in the gym and it says like 172 calories.
• 1:19:18
  And I'm like, well, just because you've had your watch running
• 1:19:20
  for 60 minutes, you haven't clearly haven't been fucking
• 1:19:23
  doing anything. But then if someone's got like a
• 1:19:26
  900 calorie bear and then you know, fair play like they've
• 1:19:29
  they've had the good workout there.
• 1:19:31
  I watched a YouTube, so this could be YouTube Diaries.
• 1:19:34
  Actually this year, this week, I want to see that Jake Darden,
• 1:19:38
  Dearden, he's from the UK and then he ran, he ran A2 third
• 1:19:44
  like this. He's a big boy now and he ran
• 1:19:46
  like a 230 something and marathon and he's now doing a
• 1:19:50
  series like he's a pro hire. Exactly.
• 1:19:52
  And he's doing a series breaking 220.
• 1:19:55
  I sort of lost respect from him from a little bit there because
• 1:19:58
  going from a 235 to a 220 is like.
• 1:20:02
  Like crazy, It is crazy. And he's like, oh, like I need a
• 1:20:07
  big goal to like get motivated and I'm like, all right, there's
• 1:20:09
  different a big goal and A and an unrealistic goal.
• 1:20:12
  But anyway, he am done this high rocks in I think it was Hamburg
• 1:20:16
  and it was a video and boys, it's actually massive, like the
• 1:20:20
  organization how it's run. It's umm, the whole event is
• 1:20:26
  crazy big and professional and all them like have like their
• 1:20:30
  own names tattooed to their pecs and their back and it's fucking
• 1:20:34
  nuts and the chop. So there's 15 in the race.
• 1:20:36
  So it's a small race and umm, he I think it's actually coming up
• 1:20:40
  to Melbourne pretty soon. He he done shit in the singles,
• 1:20:43
  but the next day he had double S and umm, he was, you know, an
• 1:20:47
  Aussie guy as well. Actually was too weird.
• 1:20:48
  But umm, he ended up coming third in the double S, but was
• 1:20:51
  sort of like an emotional roller coaster of like he don't so shit
• 1:20:54
  on one day and then he did double S and he turned and he
• 1:20:57
  was just like a static like he couldn't believe it.
• 1:20:59
  And but I used to sort of take the Mickey out of high rocks.
• 1:21:03
  But it's the whole setup is it's savage.
• 1:21:06
  It's it is really, really good. So give that give that video a
• 1:21:09
  watch. Now he's going to try and break
• 1:21:12
  fucking 220 and Seville or something.
• 1:21:14
  And there's not a hope in hell of him breaking 220.
• 1:21:18
  But umm, just the way he videoed the high rocks was umm yeah, it
• 1:21:23
  opened my mind like it is actually massive.
• 1:21:26
  Uh, he's a Red Bull sponsored athlete, isn't he?
• 1:21:28
  So I bet he's got a lovely contract out of them as well.
• 1:21:31
  Guys, he was. Do you remember when Kip Chogi
• 1:21:33
  wore the headband that kills him in the Olympics?
• 1:21:35
  Who's fucking running around a hall with a Red Bull?
• 1:21:38
  One of them and another lad was wearing like nose.
• 1:21:41
  It just a hydro vest. Like how Long's the Hydrox one
• 1:21:44
  for an hour? An hour, Yeah.
• 1:21:46
  My guy was wearing of like a vest with flasks.
• 1:21:49
  Yeah, that's sort of. Yeah, exactly.
• 1:21:51
  Like because it's because I need to fuel, because it's an hour.
• 1:21:54
  There isn't good but. And there'd be no time to set a
• 1:21:57
  vest either. But the whole like the event was
• 1:22:00
  crazy but. So it was in Perth not that long
• 1:22:03
  ago. And yeah, one of my best mates
• 1:22:07
  was doing it and I was going to go, but I think it was like 35
• 1:22:10
  or $50 a ticket just to watch. And then the entry fee, I can't
• 1:22:15
  remember how much it is, but like, well, in the hundreds of
• 1:22:18
  dollars, like they, they, they print like we did, we did the
• 1:22:21
  math on it when we grab coffee afterwards and like they know
• 1:22:26
  how to put on and an event and they make a lot of money from
• 1:22:31
  it. And I think one of the things
• 1:22:32
  that really upsets me is like, because have you seen like the
• 1:22:35
  world record, the first K they've got, they, they break
• 1:22:37
  down the splits because it goes K run activity K run 88 by 1 K.
• 1:22:41
  And the first K run by one of these, like the dudes, it's 85
• 1:22:45
  to 100 kilos is like 245 or 242. And it's like you're not running
• 1:22:50
  that's you're not running that. But they're not, it's not a
• 1:22:52
  certified kilometer. So that none of this stuff is
• 1:22:55
  ever universal. Like I doubt it's, I doubt
• 1:22:57
  they're a kilometer. And so like, what are you?
• 1:23:00
  But yet all these people that break it, the magical hour mark,
• 1:23:03
  it's like you just fight. It's like fighting the shortest
• 1:23:06
  park run. And here man.
• 1:23:07
  So here's 1K splits, I think they're between like 3:30 and
• 1:23:11
  3:20 for like a kilometer. And my guy wants to run a
• 1:23:14
  marathon, a 220 marathon. What's the is that 2 2393?
• 1:23:19
  2910. Yeah, so we can't do it for a
• 1:23:21
  kilometer a high arcs, but he wants to do 42 back-to-back in
• 1:23:24
  2-3 months time. Good luck.
• 1:23:26
  Yeah, there's multiple double troubles in that, but they are
• 1:23:28
  making a statement about what you're going to run before you
• 1:23:32
  run it and not not being within what a couple of minutes of it
• 1:23:36
  is probably it. It's not realistic whatsoever.
• 1:23:39
  It's it's like me going out and saying, all right, I'm going to
• 1:23:42
  run 13455K. Like there's not a hope and hell
• 1:23:46
  that I'm going to do that. It doesn't like, yeah, it's
• 1:23:49
  unrealistic. Was it, was it Ned Brockman that
• 1:23:52
  said he was going to break this light world record for was it
• 1:23:55
  1000 kilometers and he missed it by three days, which I think's
• 1:23:59
  like 30% off, like to be 30% off something that's like
• 1:24:03
  essentially I could, I could be, I could say I want to run an
• 1:24:06
  hour 59 and be closer to that than what Ned was for that
• 1:24:10
  record. And then this is what the
• 1:24:12
  annoying thing is. Here we are now after like
• 1:24:14
  bagging the mouse on previous episodes and slagging them off,
• 1:24:17
  giving them the the time of day and they've built profiles from
• 1:24:21
  it and they benefit from it ultimately if they've got the
• 1:24:24
  bloodied personalities and not give a shit that people are
• 1:24:26
  like, are you a hypocritical bastard?
• 1:24:30
  I think my kids are about to come in here and bloody take
• 1:24:32
  over. But they but I think like the
• 1:24:34
  annoying part is when they say ahead of and they get sponsors
• 1:24:38
  and momentum off the back of this.
• 1:24:39
  Like this guy's now going to do a series and everyone's going to
• 1:24:42
  get excited. And it's like, it's not true.
• 1:24:44
  It's false advertising. It's not going to happen.
• 1:24:47
  Right. Yeah.
• 1:24:48
  Like that's why it probably showed up in my YouTube
• 1:24:51
  algorithm because. 2/20/20 Yeah. Click bait bullshit.
• 1:24:54
  Yeah, yeah. And 100% of participants will be
• 1:24:58
  wearing nose tape for whatever bloody reason as well.
• 1:25:01
  Have I said on this that I own and have worn nose tape before?
• 1:25:05
  No. Whoa, you probably let me do
• 1:25:07
  double trouble on it. I.
• 1:25:08
  Think I did this is earlier on, but yeah, they're called
• 1:25:11
  breathe, right? And they have like a metallic.
• 1:25:13
  Is. It doors by the mere Owen.
• 1:25:17
  Get around and they help you sleep.
• 1:25:18
  Multi multipurpose. Wear them for the day.
• 1:25:21
  I'll give you some for the next ride.
• 1:25:22
  Ride. You'll be able to hold my wheel.
• 1:25:27
  Should they see in the moment coming down Mounts Bay Rd. like
• 1:25:30
  60 whatever K into a 65K ride, like sensing that a couple of
• 1:25:37
  points throughout this ride, the guys like do these random
• 1:25:40
  sprints they have like a, you know, like an invisible line
• 1:25:43
  where it's first across it and then like the regather and get
• 1:25:46
  going again. And Dean's sensed his
• 1:25:48
  opportunity, like by the Swan Brewery there, you know, like
• 1:25:51
  down the river. And he's just fucking come from
• 1:25:53
  nowhere and put like 20 meters into the group.
• 1:25:57
  No one was making a move. It was like, boy, everyone was
• 1:25:59
  like trying to because in cycling that drafting effect is
• 1:26:03
  so material and you feel it so like everyone's just waiting for
• 1:26:06
  someone else and someone needed to have a go.
• 1:26:09
  You got it moving. I got it moving.
• 1:26:11
  I was a sacrificial lamb. I absolutely rolled by the end,
• 1:26:14
  but bit of fun. You're the lead out, right?
• 1:26:17
  So I reckon that was done just to preview next week.
• 1:26:21
  I guess it's going to be a big episode.
• 1:26:22
  We've got Valencia half, Alex E and Jake Smith from Great
• 1:26:26
  Britain are both running there amongst many others I'm sure.
• 1:26:29
  Maybe Callum Hawkins might be doing it as well, unless he's
• 1:26:34
  doing Valencia Marathon but I've seen on his if you have a look
• 1:26:36
  on his Instagram he's putting some ridiculous workouts
• 1:26:40
  together. Few of them boys from Team Macau
• 1:26:42
  are doing Valenciaf as well. Rory Leonard from G Day.
• 1:26:46
  Like, yeah, it's going to be stacked.
• 1:26:47
  Shit, it's like a who's who. Yeah.
• 1:26:50
  Is the Benny 10, which for those who don't know is a very fast
• 1:26:54
  10K in Australia in the island of Tasmania.
• 1:26:58
  Then we'll have the Amsterdam and Dublin marathon results as
• 1:27:00
  well as Owens race recap. So huge episode coming next
• 1:27:04
  week. Thank you very much for
• 1:27:05
  listening and staying tuned. And if you enjoyed what we're
• 1:27:09
  chatting about, then before you press close, just press 5 stars
• 1:27:12
  and we'll see you next week. See you guys, good luck.
• 1:27:15
  Thanks guys.