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Mega Edition: Todd Blanche And The Still Unexplained Chat With Ghislaine Maxwell (Part 16-18) (7/19/26) · The Vault: The Epstein Files

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Speaker 1: What's up, everyone, and welcome to another episode of the
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Speaker 1: Epstein Chronicles. In this episode, we're getting right back to
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Speaker 1: the Glenn Maxwell fireside chat with the DOJ. Blanche and
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Speaker 1: we touched on this earlier, But I just want I
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Speaker 1: don't think we really ran into ground, maybe as much
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Speaker 1: as we could, like going up through that time. You know,
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Speaker 1: so in the sixteen seventeen eighteen up until the time
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Speaker 1: he's arrested, had your review or your understanding of what
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Speaker 1: had happened changed? Meaning did you believe that in the
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Speaker 1: late nineties or earlier two thousands when he started, you know,
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Speaker 1: behaving much differently? Do you believe what you were hearing
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Speaker 1: about him at that point? Maxwell my view, I didn't
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Speaker 1: like the people he was with anyway. So I don't
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Speaker 1: find how do I say this, I like people who
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Speaker 1: are my age or older. I don't find the society
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Speaker 1: of or the companionship of younger people who are young people,
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Speaker 1: I suppose, is really that enjoyable. So I don't like
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Speaker 1: the company that he chose to be with, and so
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Speaker 1: I was just I find it boring and fundamentally uninteresting.
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Speaker 1: That's probably the nicest way I can say it. Blanche okay,
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Speaker 1: So I think what we should do is spend a
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Speaker 1: few minutes talking about tomorrow. Everything was great today. I
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Speaker 1: think that it was very helpful and I appreciate you
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Speaker 1: trying to be as complete as you can. I think
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Speaker 1: tomorrow you've said a few things today about materials you've brought.
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Speaker 1: When we're done, we will give you a few minutes
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Speaker 1: with mister Marcus if there's things that you want to
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Speaker 1: show them that you think we should see. Like I said,
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Speaker 1: I'm not asking you to corroborate anything. If I was
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Speaker 1: asking you to corroborate something, I would tell you. But
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Speaker 1: if there's something you think that you don't think that
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Speaker 1: the government is seen, or you think that is important
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Speaker 1: for me to see that, mister Marcus know and he
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Speaker 1: can share it with me. Tomorrow will certainly have some
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Speaker 1: follow on questions when we all think about tonight, and
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Speaker 1: I think you will too, and you know, we can
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Speaker 1: all think about stuff we've talked about. We've covered a
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Speaker 1: lot of different areas. I do want to talk about
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Speaker 1: more with you. So by design today we wanted to
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Speaker 1: focus on mister Epstein and talk about you know, kind
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Speaker 1: of well everything under the sun. And we've gone through today.
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Speaker 1: I do think it's important when we all evaluate what
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Speaker 1: you've said today and kind of your story to understand
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Speaker 1: to also understand why you're here, right, Yeah, Well she's
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Speaker 1: there because she's a child molester. Todd fucking Blanche. Is
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Speaker 1: this guy for real? Or what? Imagine? It was your
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Speaker 1: kid that was molested? And then you read this transcript
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Speaker 1: and the way that Todd Blanche is dealing with this.
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Speaker 1: So you were indicted, you were charged. You want a trial,
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Speaker 1: and I want to do that in a way that
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Speaker 1: gives you an opportunity to kind of say your piece,
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Speaker 1: or to say what you haven't said before. She had
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Speaker 1: that opportunity, she didn't take the stand. But now you're
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Speaker 1: going to open it back up for Todd Blanche and
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Speaker 1: give her the opportunity once again. Why because you find
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Speaker 1: it helpful politically? What an absolute coward, just another clown
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Speaker 1: who history is not going to remember kindly. But also
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Speaker 1: understanding that there were people who took the witness stand
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Speaker 1: and swore to tell the truth and testified about you
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Speaker 1: and what you did and what they think you saw
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Speaker 1: and what they heard you say. I said to mister Marcus,
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Speaker 1: I'm not trying to create kind of she said situation
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Speaker 1: or he said she said situation. But I do want
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Speaker 1: to hear from you about your conduct because it's important,
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Speaker 1: I think, for when we evaluate what you say and
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Speaker 1: how you say it, and your recollection of things. Also
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Speaker 1: to talk about that translation. We want to give you
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Speaker 1: a chance to set the record straight and tell the
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Speaker 1: world what really happened, give the world your truth. Never
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Speaker 1: mind the girls that got up on the stand and
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Speaker 1: gave testimony about Maxwell molesting them. Let's just forget about
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Speaker 1: all that. So we're going to we'll do that tomorrow.
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Speaker 1: I want to talk about, you know, the circumstance leading
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Speaker 1: up to your arrest. There's a lot I think misinformation
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Speaker 1: out there, a lot of information out there. I don't
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Speaker 1: know whether there's misinformation, but about the time from you know,
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Speaker 1: twenty nineteen up until the time that you were arrested.
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Speaker 1: And like I said, that'll take us through lunch tomorrow
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Speaker 1: and then we'll be done. I don't have a plan.
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Speaker 1: I didn't know that I was coming here until this week. Okay,
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Speaker 1: so I'm not We don't have like a schedule of
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Speaker 1: what happens next or what happens. But that's not a
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Speaker 1: negative thing. I'm just saying, so you shouldn't take the
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Speaker 1: lack of an next step as anything other than we
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Speaker 1: don't have an X step yet. So Maxwell, may I
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Speaker 1: say something, Blanche? Of course, yes. I would just like
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Speaker 1: to put out there that I also focused on how
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Speaker 1: I think the President got swept into some of this unnecessarily,
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Speaker 1: by the way, And I'm not a conspiracy theorist, and
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Speaker 1: I certainly don't subscribe to all of that, all of
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Speaker 1: everything that I see, but I do believe that there
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Speaker 1: is an atomis in some areas that may have contributed
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Speaker 1: to how the use of the president to harm them,
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Speaker 1: and I find that deeply offensive. Oh this is fucking
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Speaker 1: almost too much. This is almost too much to even
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Speaker 1: deal with. I hope they have a good medical facility
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Speaker 1: at Brian, because are up well. Glottis is going to
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Speaker 1: be inflamed from all this glizzy guzzling. And whilst I
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Speaker 1: can't obviously say definitively that that is what it is,
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Speaker 1: I would like to show you what I see so
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Speaker 1: that you can evaluate it and do with that as
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Speaker 1: you see fit. It needs to be addressed. I've seen it.
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Speaker 1: It struck me, and I would like to give it
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Speaker 1: to you. Blanche. Sure, Maxwell. For what it's worth. It
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Speaker 1: ain't worth shit, Just like Todd Blanche, one of the
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Speaker 1: biggest cowards in the history of the Epstein saga at
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Speaker 1: this point. That's right, Todd Blanche, absolute coward. Maxwell. Does
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Speaker 1: that seem something that I can Blanche? Yeah, that's fine. Yeah, Maxwell,
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Speaker 1: of course I don't like that, Blanche. Okay, that's fine,
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Speaker 1: that's great. So why don't we stop for today. I'll
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Speaker 1: give you a little bit of time to chat and
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Speaker 1: then see you in the morning. Spencer Horn. This will
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Speaker 1: conclude the recorded Profer interview for Thursday, July twenty fourth.
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Speaker 1: We will continue tomorrow Friday, July twenty fifth. The time
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Speaker 1: is three thirty four. All right, then moving into the
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Speaker 1: next day, which is July twenty fifth, we have all
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Speaker 1: the same people involved. It'll be Todd Blanche asking the
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Speaker 1: questions and the bipedal serpent doing the answering. Todd Blanche,
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Speaker 1: Good morning, miss Maxwell. How are you Maxwell? Good morning, Blanche.
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Speaker 1: Good So the profit agreement we signed yesterday, there's a
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Speaker 1: place on it for us to all kind of initial
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Speaker 1: It's exactly the same document and you'll see your signature
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Speaker 1: if you can just initial right to the left, right
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Speaker 1: here Maxwell, here, Blanche right here, Blanche, thank you, and
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Speaker 1: just a kind of before we get going, I'll just
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Speaker 1: say exactly the same folks that we're here when we
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Speaker 1: met yesterday or here today. So I'm not going to
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Speaker 1: do formal introductions because it's exactly the same group of folks.
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Speaker 1: So we're continuing, miss Maxwell, our discussion of yesterday, and
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Speaker 1: the same kind of rules apply. Will take breaks. If
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Speaker 1: you need to talk to mister Marcus or your lawyers,
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Speaker 1: absolutely no problem, just let me know. I'll try to
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Speaker 1: ask my question in a coherent manner. But if there's
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Speaker 1: anything that I say that's confusing, definitely interrupt me. Maxwell.
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Speaker 1: I will thank you, Blanche. So I think the easiest
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Speaker 1: thing to start with is is there anything that we
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Speaker 1: talked about yesterday? We're going to go through some more names.
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Speaker 1: I think that's one of the places that we interrupted,
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Speaker 1: just because there is a lot of names. But aside
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Speaker 1: from additional names, is there anything that you wanted to
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Speaker 1: kind of follow up on that we talked about yesterday
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Speaker 1: or anything that you thought maybe you remember more of
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Speaker 1: or not, Maxwell, some more names I did come to
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Speaker 1: me in the night, and I did have some additional
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Speaker 1: memories just for clarity, I believe I said that I
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Speaker 1: couldn't think of anybody who I may have asked from
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Speaker 1: mar A Lago. But then I realized that I was
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Speaker 1: the allegation at least is that I met redacted in
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Speaker 1: mar A Lago, and so I felt that I needed
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Speaker 1: to address that. I didn't want to leave that hanging,
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Speaker 1: because that seems weird under the circumstances. You know what
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Speaker 1: you were doing, and she knew she perjured herself, and
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Speaker 1: I called it out when it happened, didn't I. So
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Speaker 1: what happened was she went back and old Marcus told
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Speaker 1: her that she fucked up, so she wanted to get
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Speaker 1: the record straight today. And also, I couldn't remember anyone.
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Speaker 1: Maybe you know, it's a long period of time. So
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Speaker 1: the issue is not that I'm trying not to say,
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Speaker 1: but I don't remember anybody that I would have But
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Speaker 1: it's not impossible that I might have asked someone from there.
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Speaker 1: You were in the middle of a fucking contentious lawsuit
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Speaker 1: of Virginia for how long you don't remember? You don't
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Speaker 1: remember where you met her? Okay, sure we all believe
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Speaker 1: that Blanche, I don't know exactly what you said yesterday.
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Speaker 1: But I don't think what you said yesterday is different
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Speaker 1: than what you just said. Maxwell, Okay, I just wanted
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Speaker 1: I just didn't want you to feel that I had
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Speaker 1: said notice something that she's cut off. Blanche redacted definitely
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Speaker 1: has said that she was working at mar A Lago
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Speaker 1: at the time, she received a treatment from her at
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Speaker 1: some point, and that you recruited her to meet mister Epskin. Maxwell, right, No,
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Speaker 1: no treatment. She was a SPA attendant, not a masseuse.
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Speaker 1: Fucking Todd. Blanche doesn't even have the story, correct, Blanche,
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Speaker 1: do you know affirmatively whether that's true or false or
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Speaker 1: do you just not have a memory either way? Maxwell,
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Speaker 1: I really don't believe it's true. But I know that
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Speaker 1: I did go to SPAS and if I met someone,
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Speaker 1: I did ask if they're indiscernible. In the realm of possibility,
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Speaker 1: it could have, but I have no memory of it. Blanche, Okay, Maxwell,
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Speaker 1: and I don't believe that it's how it went down,
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Speaker 1: but I don't want to. Blanche interrupts her. Okay, So
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Speaker 1: I want to talk about We talked a little bit
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Speaker 1: yesterday about the financial part of your relationship with Epstein,
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Speaker 1: kind of being on the payroll for lack of a
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Speaker 1: better word, for many years, many years, starting around twenty
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Speaker 1: five thousand and ending up at around two hundred and
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Speaker 1: fifty thousand per year. As you know from your trial,
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Speaker 1: there's banking information that shows a ton of money being
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Speaker 1: sent to you from mister Epstein over the years, and
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Speaker 1: I think totally something like thirty million something like that.
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Speaker 1: Why was that money sent to you? Like? What was
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Speaker 1: that for? Maxwell? Well, first of all, I dispute the
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Speaker 1: characterization that the money was sent to me. Oh okay,
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Speaker 1: you disputed it. Huh, we have the fucking records. She
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Speaker 1: doesn't even admit to this, Blanche, Okay, so tell me.
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Speaker 1: I'm stuck with the witnesses at trial and what was
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Speaker 1: set at trial on that issue? What is what do
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Speaker 1: you dispute about? That? Is this real life right now?
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Speaker 1: So next time when there's an issue going on, I
10:34
Speaker 1: want to make sure that say el Mayo is getting
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Speaker 1: the same exact kind of treatment. El Mayo should be
10:40
Speaker 1: sat down with Prawford and we should get hit side
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Speaker 1: of the story, right, I mean, this is the Blanche
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Speaker 1: way after all. Maxwell, Well, I believe I don't have
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Speaker 1: full recollection. I'm not even sure I ever saw what
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Speaker 1: they accused me of. But my belief is that that
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Speaker 1: money also contained money that was for a helicopter, for instance,
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Speaker 1: that I never owned and was never mine. Mark. In
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Speaker 1: other words, money was sent to you and then used
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Speaker 1: to purchase things. Maxwell, Well, I'm not even sure what
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Speaker 1: I purchased. So the accounts, those accounts would be controlled
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Speaker 1: by his accountants, Blanche, even accounts in your name, you're saying,
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Speaker 1: or one of your entities. Maxwell, I'm not sure I
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Speaker 1: knew all of the entities. This is unbelievable. I cannot
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Speaker 1: wait till we're done reading through this. I have to
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Speaker 1: take a bath and bleach after listening to this bullshit.
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Speaker 1: I'm not I don't Maybe I did contemporaneously, but I
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Speaker 1: simply wouldn't know today. So if there was an entity,
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Speaker 1: let's say, an account X, if I really set that
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Speaker 1: up myself, or whether they said we're doing this and
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Speaker 1: the money's coming or whatever, but in no substantative way,
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Speaker 1: I can't think of the right word. So you were
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Speaker 1: engaged in tax fraud. You were defrauding the American government,
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Speaker 1: that's what you were doing. Thirty million dollars. She has
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Speaker 1: no idea where any of it came from or how
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Speaker 1: it was spent. Huh. Okay, David Marcus, did you have control? Maxwell?
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Speaker 1: I had no control, is what I'm saying, Blanche. So
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Speaker 1: when the government, when there was testimony of their government,
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Speaker 1: admitted evidence that showed, for example, five million in two
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Speaker 1: thousand and two coming from Epstein, Okay, what you're saying
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Speaker 1: is that you may or it may have happened, but
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Speaker 1: that you there wasn't money. He was giving you money. Maxwell.
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Speaker 1: I'm not going to say that for everything, because maybe
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Speaker 1: there were accounts that money was sent to me. But
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Speaker 1: I can say that I know, like the helicopter, I
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Speaker 1: can definitively say I'd have to look at all of
12:30
Speaker 1: them to be accurate for you, but to explain how
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Speaker 1: or why I could be receiving monies, and I certainly
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Speaker 1: did so. I'm not disputing all of it, Blanche. But
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Speaker 1: when you said, let's go back and look, why did
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Speaker 1: the money have to go into your accounts or account
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Speaker 1: that was controlled by others but in your name, to
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Speaker 1: like purchase a helicopter. Maxwell, Oh, that's a very good question.
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Speaker 1: I'm not sure I know the answer to that. Yeah,
12:54
Speaker 1: you do. You guys were laundering money and that's why
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Speaker 1: they were never hit with RICO because if they were
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Speaker 1: hit with RICO, it would have led back to the
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Speaker 1: people they were in bed with, Todd, Blanche. So let
13:06
Speaker 1: me ask you this maybe a different way that gets
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Speaker 1: to the issue. Right. So, the accusation by the government,
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Speaker 1: based upon the evidence they collected, is that Epstein paid
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Speaker 1: you millions and millions of dollars over the years, and
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Speaker 1: the reason why he paid you that is because you
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Speaker 1: were performing in extraordinary service for him by recruiting young women,
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Speaker 1: many of whom were under age, so that he could
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Speaker 1: sexually abuse them. That's their allegation. Okay, from what you
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Speaker 1: said yesterday and from what I reviewed about you and
13:32
Speaker 1: mister Epstein, he paid for a lot in your life, Maxwell, Absolutely,
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Speaker 1: your flights where you stayed with them. I mean, he
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Speaker 1: didn't expect you to reimburse them along the way for
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Speaker 1: food and you know, so he took care of you
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Speaker 1: for many years. Maxwell, that's true, Blanche. On top of that,
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Speaker 1: he actually paid you a salary, as we talked about
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Speaker 1: twenty five thousand, two hundred and fifty thousand. What else
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Speaker 1: did he give you or what purchase Like, was there
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Speaker 1: a time when he gave you a million dollars or
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Speaker 1: five hundred thousand as a bonus or what financial benefit
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Speaker 1: did you receive from him besides what we already talked about.
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Speaker 1: We don't have to talk about, you know, Maxwell, I
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Speaker 1: got it. I got it, Blanche, Okay. So my goal
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Speaker 1: always was to become independent, independently financially secure, and work
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Speaker 1: for myself. I've never been one to work not work,
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Speaker 1: and in that regard, over the course of my friendship
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Speaker 1: and my working relationship with Epstein, I expressed to him
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Speaker 1: I desire to be independent from him everywhere, not just
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Speaker 1: to be freestanding. With that in mind, I wanted to
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Speaker 1: have my own businesses or my own money coming in
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Speaker 1: independent and separate from any salary that I received from them.
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Speaker 1: And I needed that for my self esteem. I mean,
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Speaker 1: obviously salary it was a very generous one. Please, I'm
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Speaker 1: not belittling that sum of money, because it's huge. But
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Speaker 1: I was brought up to work, and I was brought
14:48
Speaker 1: up to be my own, you know. So I would
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Speaker 1: either propose businesses to him or he would actually suggest
14:54
Speaker 1: why I didn't do something in the first deal what
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Speaker 1: we did or the first business that we had or
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Speaker 1: had that he financed for me. So he loaned me
15:03
Speaker 1: all the money to enable me to do this, and
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Speaker 1: then I reaped the profits, which I don't remember now
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Speaker 1: because we varied over the deals that we did, and
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Speaker 1: I would give him fifty percent or twenty five percent.
15:13
Speaker 1: It was sort of random. Maxwell, I can tell you
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Speaker 1: what it is, so he can compare it, Blanche. Yeah,
15:20
Speaker 1: go ahead, Maxwell. So it was Palm Beach actually, and
15:24
Speaker 1: it was in real estate and they sold what was
15:27
Speaker 1: the grounds originally of an estate called Phipps Estate, and
15:30
Speaker 1: then they converted the land that came with the estate
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Speaker 1: into houses and I did I think two or maybe
15:36
Speaker 1: I can't remember now, but certainly one or maybe two,
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Speaker 1: possibly three, I think two that then were flipped and
15:44
Speaker 1: there was profit. So that would be an example of that.
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Speaker 1: But I didn't have any money, so he lent me
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Speaker 1: the funds to do the business transaction and then I
15:51
Speaker 1: reaped the profits, Blanche. But when Maxwell cuts them off,
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Speaker 1: and that's millions of dollars, Blanche won. A financial investigator
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Speaker 1: like the FBI looks at accounts. They don't know kind
16:02
Speaker 1: of the conversation you're having. They just see the money, Maxwell, right, Blanche.
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Speaker 1: So in those cases when that happened, when he would
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Speaker 1: when he financed that would send you money like that,
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Speaker 1: does that explain some of the money? Like I guess, Yo,
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Speaker 1: this is fucking unreal. I cannot believe what Blanche is
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Speaker 1: doing here. And anyone who supports this is a fucking clown.
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Speaker 1: And if that's you, sorry, that's what you are. Maxwell,
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Speaker 1: I think it does. I think, for instance, there were
16:31
Speaker 1: two gull wing Mercedes that they did with Mercedes and
16:34
Speaker 1: asked in Martin, you can look it up. I think
16:37
Speaker 1: if I'm right, that had the doors that would come
16:39
Speaker 1: up like this, Blanche, Okay, Maxwell, there were only very
16:42
Speaker 1: limited numbers that were made, so I knew that we
16:45
Speaker 1: could get those and flip them right within twenty four hours.
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Speaker 1: For example, here's another example of something that you guys
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Speaker 1: wouldn't have known about. I became a banker. I got
16:54
Speaker 1: my series sixty three, Series sixty seven banking license and
16:57
Speaker 1: became a broker for like a new inaudible. Because I
17:00
Speaker 1: was daytrading everything I had I J traded with through
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Speaker 1: an account and I think I was lucky more than smart.
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Speaker 1: But I made quite a lot of money doing that. Blanche,
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Speaker 1: when was that like approximate time. Maxwell, again, it's in
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Speaker 1: the nineties. Wait, I think, well you can find it
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Speaker 1: because it'll be my banking license, right, that'll be something
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Speaker 1: that you can look up probably, Blanche. Yeah, Maxwell, so whatever,
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Speaker 1: and I just remember when that is. I'm sorry, Blanche, Okay.
17:28
Speaker 1: So Maxwell, and so for example, I was doing really, really,
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Speaker 1: really well, and so he was like, how did you
17:35
Speaker 1: do that? Well, how are you Why are you investing
17:38
Speaker 1: in I don't know Apple when nobody liked Apple. This is,
17:40
Speaker 1: you know, before Apple or Microsoft. I didn't know Bill Gates.
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Speaker 1: So this is not related to him, but my family.
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Speaker 1: Marcus in her jets real quick. Don't charge her with
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Speaker 1: insider trading. Maxwell, No, I'm not trying to suggest that.
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Speaker 1: Oh goodness, Please know Marcus. It was a joke. Maxwell, Okay, Blanche,
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Speaker 1: it was a joke. All right. We're going to wrap
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Speaker 1: up right here because I'm disgusted and I need to
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Speaker 1: drink some bleach before we continue. All of the information
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Speaker 1: that goes with this episode can be found in the
18:10
Speaker 1: description box. What's up, everyone, and welcome to another episode
18:14
Speaker 1: of the Epstein Chronicles. In this episode, we're getting back
18:17
Speaker 1: to Glenn Maxwell and are a fireside chat with the
18:21
Speaker 1: DOJ and Todd Blanche Maxwell, all right, But going back
18:25
Speaker 1: to my family, my dad had given me an account
18:28
Speaker 1: when I was twelve, and I had always had an
18:30
Speaker 1: interest in business and finance. Not very sophisticated. I'm not
18:34
Speaker 1: suggesting that. And so I liked to trade, and so
18:37
Speaker 1: I did and I did well, and so then I
18:40
Speaker 1: would tell him what I was doing. Now, whether he
18:43
Speaker 1: did or he didn't, he told me he matched me
18:45
Speaker 1: in some other accounts that he had because a lot
18:49
Speaker 1: of my observation. To go back to what he did,
18:51
Speaker 1: I observed them personally and have recollection, personal recollection of
18:55
Speaker 1: him trading this money, lots tens of millions, hundreds of
18:59
Speaker 1: millions of dollars, Blanche, that he was trading for other people, Maxwell, Yes, Blanche,
19:06
Speaker 1: or that it was his own money. Maxwell, I want
19:09
Speaker 1: to clarify something for you, or clarify or underline. Wexner was,
19:13
Speaker 1: in my opinion, his closest friend in this time period,
19:16
Speaker 1: from when I met him in nineteen ninety one right
19:19
Speaker 1: all the way until well till I don't know, because
19:22
Speaker 1: I wasn't that friendly with Well, I did travel with
19:25
Speaker 1: mister Wexner. But Epstein told me that Wexner didn't want
19:28
Speaker 1: to be seen too much with me because of my
19:30
Speaker 1: family problems. You know, whether that was Blanche cuts her off,
19:34
Speaker 1: You mean the problems with your father's company Maxwell, Yes,
19:38
Speaker 1: Blanche embezzlement or allegations of Maxwell. Yes, yes, that's what
19:42
Speaker 1: I'm talking about. By the way, Robert Maxwell was found
19:45
Speaker 1: guilty of that, not allegations Todd Blanche. When somebody's found guilty,
19:50
Speaker 1: a jury has spoken. And now actually today, not contemporaneously,
19:54
Speaker 1: but today, I don't believe that's even true. I think
19:57
Speaker 1: it was used as a means to not have me
20:00
Speaker 1: travel with him to Ohio or whatever. It was just
20:02
Speaker 1: a way to part me. And I believe that now
20:05
Speaker 1: because within the discovery there was a lot, well not
20:07
Speaker 1: a lot, but there was some indications that he would
20:10
Speaker 1: actively tell other people to lie to me or conceal
20:13
Speaker 1: things from me, and that he never loved me and
20:15
Speaker 1: I wasn't his type. That's in the discovery somewhere. Well,
20:18
Speaker 1: she's not lying about that. I've told you a million
20:21
Speaker 1: times that Elaine Maxwell was not some love of Jeffrey
20:24
Speaker 1: Epstein's life, just another tool in the toolbox, right, And
20:29
Speaker 1: let's just be clear once again, Epstein only loved Jeffrey Epstein.
20:33
Speaker 1: He didn't love anybody else, Blanche. The government had evidence
20:38
Speaker 1: that even as late as two thousand and seven, he
20:40
Speaker 1: paid you a lot of money. Maxwell, What was that?
20:43
Speaker 1: What was the money, Blanche? Like several million, several millions
20:47
Speaker 1: of dollars in two thousand and seven, seven point four million,
20:50
Speaker 1: I think, Maxwell, what was that for? Was it? Was
20:54
Speaker 1: it the helicopter, Blanche? That's my question for you. Maxwell. Oh, sorry, Blanche,
21:00
Speaker 1: I don't know Maxwell, Okay, sorry, Blanche. So in two
21:03
Speaker 1: thousand and seven, Maxwell, I think that was probably the helicopter.
21:07
Speaker 1: That could have been, Blanche. That was what, Maxwell? That
21:11
Speaker 1: could have been the helicopter, the Sikorski, those big chunks
21:14
Speaker 1: like that. I didn't. I don't personally have seven million dollars.
21:19
Speaker 1: I just don't. So the answer to your question, to
21:21
Speaker 1: be precise, Marcus interrupts her. You would remember if it
21:25
Speaker 1: went into your pocket, Maxwell, I would remember it. I would.
21:29
Speaker 1: He never paid it to me for services that you
21:31
Speaker 1: just described, seven million for any nefarious reason, Blanche. Yeah,
21:36
Speaker 1: I think I understand what you've said about being on
21:39
Speaker 1: the payroll and helping him, helping you with businesses, and
21:44
Speaker 1: giving you a lot of life things along the way.
21:46
Speaker 1: You travel with them, you ate with them. He's you know,
21:49
Speaker 1: but there is these massive amounts of money one time payments. Maxwell,
21:54
Speaker 1: you'd have to trace that, right, So I don't believe
21:57
Speaker 1: that came into my account or I have had any control.
22:00
Speaker 1: I have no memory of that, Blanche. Well, but if
22:03
Speaker 1: there's records that show it coming into your account, it
22:05
Speaker 1: sounds like what you're saying is that you have no
22:09
Speaker 1: memory of that money being yours. Maxwell. No, Blanche, like
22:13
Speaker 1: that money is not somewhere Maxwell. No, I wouldn't be like, oh, yippie,
22:18
Speaker 1: let me go, I got seven million, I'm going to
22:21
Speaker 1: go and buy myself a yacht. No, or I don't
22:24
Speaker 1: know something else, or to move it. No. I don't
22:27
Speaker 1: think if you look, you'll have to check. Obviously you will.
22:30
Speaker 1: I don't think you'll find that money moving to any
22:33
Speaker 1: account either of mine, or it shouldn't show I don't
22:37
Speaker 1: believe anyway, as far as I recollect, it wouldn't show
22:40
Speaker 1: me spending it. Well, that's not what the court documents
22:43
Speaker 1: show us. That's not what your trial said, Blanche. Right, Maxwell,
22:48
Speaker 1: does that make sense? Blanche? Yeah, that makes sense. I mean,
22:51
Speaker 1: I don't think there's any dispute by anybody, even your
22:54
Speaker 1: lawyer's at trial that that money went in Maxwell, Oh,
22:58
Speaker 1: seven million in when what year? Blanche? Well, there are
23:01
Speaker 1: several years. In two thousand and seven, Maxwell and Blanche.
23:05
Speaker 1: Two thousand and two, there was five million that you
23:07
Speaker 1: were paid in two thousand and two. Maxwell, I'd have
23:11
Speaker 1: to I don't remember, So there would be another large sum,
23:15
Speaker 1: but it wouldn't have come from him later, but it
23:17
Speaker 1: had nothing to do with Blanche cuts her off. The
23:20
Speaker 1: biggest one was in nineteen ninety nine. That's over eighteen million,
23:24
Speaker 1: eighteen point three million, Maxwell, I don't know what that is.
23:28
Speaker 1: Imagine telling somebody that with a straight face, you had
23:31
Speaker 1: eighteen point three million dollars moved to your account and
23:34
Speaker 1: you have no idea what it is, who sent it,
23:36
Speaker 1: or why it's there. Well, in that case, there's some
23:39
Speaker 1: kind of fraud going on, right, so who was involved?
23:43
Speaker 1: Let's get those Epstein files, shall we, Blanche? But what
23:50
Speaker 1: you're saying it sounds like and if you don't know,
23:53
Speaker 1: we can move on. But when we're talking about the
23:55
Speaker 1: eighteen point three million in ninety nine, five million three
23:59
Speaker 1: years later in two thousand and two seven point four
24:01
Speaker 1: million in two thousand and seven, that money adds up
24:04
Speaker 1: to a round thirty million. You were not paid that
24:06
Speaker 1: by mister Epstein, meaning that's not money you receive for
24:10
Speaker 1: your benefit, even if it was put into your account.
24:13
Speaker 1: What does that even mean? So if I just wake
24:16
Speaker 1: up with a bunch of money in my account, I
24:18
Speaker 1: can claim that I have no idea where it came from,
24:21
Speaker 1: even if it came from El Chopo. Okay, I guess
24:24
Speaker 1: these are new rules, folks, and I guarantee you people
24:27
Speaker 1: are paying attention. Maxwell. I don't believe any of that
24:32
Speaker 1: was my money. Like I said, we did do these things, Blanche. Yeah,
24:37
Speaker 1: I understand that Maxwell with the cars, Blanche, I understand
24:40
Speaker 1: that Maxwell and as Blanche cuts her off, but Maxwell
24:45
Speaker 1: cuts him off. I don't know if any of that money,
24:48
Speaker 1: some of it, if it moves, Some of that may
24:51
Speaker 1: have come from the car or the house that was
24:53
Speaker 1: sold that I had an interest in with them. That's possible,
24:56
Speaker 1: but I don't think this money is mine Leasafian. But
24:59
Speaker 1: also the should reflect too that there were times Golaine's
25:03
Speaker 1: name was used. For example, Eric Golaine, her name was
25:06
Speaker 1: in the name of the entity. It had nothing to
25:08
Speaker 1: do with her. And if you pull signatures, Blanche, yeah, Saffian,
25:13
Speaker 1: there's no evidence for that. This lady Leasafian is like
25:17
Speaker 1: a ambulance chasing lawyer. She's never worked any big cases.
25:21
Speaker 1: She's just a friend of Glene Maxwell's. But here she
25:24
Speaker 1: is acting like she is the female version of Johnny Cochran. Huh, Okay, Blanche, No.
25:31
Speaker 1: What I'm trying to understand, and to make sure that
25:34
Speaker 1: I understand, is that the idea that you were paid
25:36
Speaker 1: thirty million between ninety nine and two thousand and seven
25:39
Speaker 1: by mister Epstein to reward you for recruiting young women,
25:43
Speaker 1: you're saying that is categorically completely false. Maxwell, that is
25:47
Speaker 1: categorically false, correct, Blanche. Okay. So we went through several
25:52
Speaker 1: individuals yesterday, and I want to go through just a
25:54
Speaker 1: couple more names and ask you if you know them,
25:57
Speaker 1: and if you do know them, how do you know them?
26:00
Speaker 1: Do you know Elon Musk Clean Maxwell? I do, Blanche,
26:04
Speaker 1: And how did you meet mister Musk Maxwell. I don't
26:07
Speaker 1: remember the year, but it's going to be in twenty ten, eleven,
26:10
Speaker 1: something like that. I think if my memory serves and
26:13
Speaker 1: I was at an event for Sergey Brinn, the co
26:16
Speaker 1: founder of Google, and Sergey had arranged it was his birthday,
26:20
Speaker 1: and we were a bunch of us. I don't even
26:22
Speaker 1: remember how many of us there were, but not many
26:25
Speaker 1: of us. If I say forty, I could be wrong.
26:28
Speaker 1: If I say thirty to fifty, I don't remember. I'm sorry.
26:31
Speaker 1: I went to another friend's island, somebody called mister Pegazi
26:35
Speaker 1: in the Caribbean, not with Epstein. He was not there
26:38
Speaker 1: to celebrate Sergey's birthday. And we were there together four
26:41
Speaker 1: I want to say three or four days something like
26:44
Speaker 1: that in my memory. And mister Musk was present for that, Blanche.
26:48
Speaker 1: And that was the first time that you met him,
26:50
Speaker 1: as far as you know, Maxwell, as far as I remember, Yes, Blanche,
26:54
Speaker 1: did you know his brother mister Musk's brother, Maxwell, I
26:57
Speaker 1: don't know if I've ever met him. I know that
27:00
Speaker 1: he has a brother, and I don't think that I
27:02
Speaker 1: met him, Blanche, aside from that time in around twenty
27:06
Speaker 1: ten on the island in the Caribbean for a couple
27:08
Speaker 1: of days, did you have you seen do you know
27:11
Speaker 1: mister Musk? Beyond that time? Maxwell, we met one time
27:15
Speaker 1: at the Oscars. Blanche, what year was that earlier or later? Maxwell?
27:20
Speaker 1: It was post event, I believe, Blanche. Do you know
27:23
Speaker 1: whether mister epstein knew mister Musk Maxwell? I believe they did.
27:28
Speaker 1: And the only reason I say that is not from
27:29
Speaker 1: my memory, but because I think I saw my memory
27:32
Speaker 1: is that in Discovery they were communicating on email, Blanche,
27:36
Speaker 1: So you have no personal knowledge of that, Maxwell, I
27:40
Speaker 1: have no She's cut off by Blanche. It's just that
27:43
Speaker 1: what you've seen from the press or from Discovery. Maxwell.
27:47
Speaker 1: I believe his brother as well. Actually, Blanche, excuse me, Maxwell,
27:52
Speaker 1: mister Musk's brother as well. Like I said, my memory is,
27:56
Speaker 1: it's not as good as I would like it to be.
27:58
Speaker 1: And I just want to say that, Blanche, you mentioned
28:02
Speaker 1: I think yesterday in passing, well, not in passing, but
28:05
Speaker 1: as part of another answer Andrew Cuomo Maxwell. Yes, Blanche,
28:09
Speaker 1: did you know mister Cuomo Glen Maxwell? Well, only because
28:13
Speaker 1: he was married to carry Blanche? Okay, Maxwell, And I
28:17
Speaker 1: think I knew his brother as well. What's his name?
28:19
Speaker 1: He has a brother, right, he's on TV. What's his name?
28:22
Speaker 1: Lea Saffian Chris Glen Maxwell, right, Christopher Saffie and Christopher Cuomo, Blanche, Yeah,
28:28
Speaker 1: Chris Maxwell, Chris Blanche, the former TV anchor or, the
28:33
Speaker 1: TV anchor, Chris Cuomo, Maxwell, yes, Blanche, Okay, Maxwell, But
28:38
Speaker 1: I would say just socially, I'm not close friends or anything.
28:41
Speaker 1: I was friends with Kerry, and I met him a
28:44
Speaker 1: few times, and I certainly met his brother as well
28:46
Speaker 1: a few times. Blanche. And the same question that I
28:49
Speaker 1: asked about mister Musk, do you know whether mister Epstein
28:52
Speaker 1: knew Andrew Cuomo or Chris Cuomo or miss Kennedy your
28:56
Speaker 1: friend Maxwell. I don't think so, Blanche, And so you
29:00
Speaker 1: never you don't recall any of those individuals like flying
29:03
Speaker 1: on mister Epstein's plane, Maxwell, no Blanche, or visiting him
29:07
Speaker 1: in Palm Beach or at the island, no Blanche. I
29:11
Speaker 1: think you mentioned former Secretary of State John Kerry yesterday,
29:14
Speaker 1: But if not, do you know mister Kerry or no? Maxwell.
29:18
Speaker 1: I've met him, but I don't know if mister Epstein
29:20
Speaker 1: has ever met him. I met him, well, really, I
29:22
Speaker 1: can't even probably characterize that as a meeting, but I
29:26
Speaker 1: was very very involved in the ocean at work through
29:29
Speaker 1: you asked me yesterday about Tamar and if I recall right,
29:33
Speaker 1: the Secretary that way through the ocean, but we wouldn't
29:37
Speaker 1: know who I am. I doubt I don't think, Blanche. Well,
29:41
Speaker 1: do you know former Senator Ted Kennedy? Maxwell? Yes, Blanche,
29:46
Speaker 1: is that through your own life or through mister Epstein
29:49
Speaker 1: Maxwell my life? Blanche? Do you know whether mister Epstein
29:53
Speaker 1: new Senator Kennedy? Maxwell? I don't believe so, Blanche, and
29:58
Speaker 1: so for the folks talked about so former Secretary of
30:01
Speaker 1: State John Kerrey, Ted Kennedy, you don't know whether mister
30:04
Speaker 1: Epstein knew them. So I take that to mean you
30:07
Speaker 1: have no recollection of them flying on his planes. Maxwell.
30:11
Speaker 1: Oh god, no, Blanche, okay, Maxwell. Oh, but Bobby Kennedy
30:17
Speaker 1: knew him, Bobby the health Blanche. Sorry, say that again
30:20
Speaker 1: about Bobby Kennedy. Bobby knew mister Epstein, Blanche. How do
30:24
Speaker 1: you know that, Maxwell, because we went on a trip together.
30:27
Speaker 1: We went dinosaur bone hunting in the Dakotas. Blanche, When
30:31
Speaker 1: was that? You know? Approximately? I'm not looking for an
30:33
Speaker 1: exact date, but when was that? Maxwell? That was Well,
30:38
Speaker 1: let me back up. I knew Bobby's wife Mary pretty
30:40
Speaker 1: well actually, and before he met her Blanche. And just
30:43
Speaker 1: to help us, I know we're talking about a wide
30:45
Speaker 1: span of time, but when you were talking about that,
30:49
Speaker 1: you knew mister Kennedy's wife before they were married. So
30:52
Speaker 1: are we talking about Maxwell, I guess. Let me get
30:56
Speaker 1: my head straight, Blanche. Well, would this have been before
30:59
Speaker 1: you met mister EPs Epstein? Maxwell? Yes, Maxwell, I met
31:03
Speaker 1: him before we met, Blanche. So we're talking about the eighties? Maxwell, Oh, yes, yes,
31:08
Speaker 1: thank you, Blanche. Okay, Maxwell, okay the eighties, Blanche. Okay,
31:13
Speaker 1: So we're talking about the eighties. Maxwell. I had a
31:16
Speaker 1: very very long standing boyfriend and his brother was dating
31:19
Speaker 1: Mary at the time, and we were all very good friends. Blanche,
31:23
Speaker 1: and then mister Epstein. Did mister Epstein meet Bobby Kennedy
31:26
Speaker 1: through you? I don't think so, because mister Epstein, surprisingly
31:30
Speaker 1: everyone says everything happened through me. That's just not true.
31:33
Speaker 1: I mean, I think yesterday I explained that he had
31:35
Speaker 1: friends from London and those they were people that we
31:40
Speaker 1: would call fancy. Blanche. Yeah, Maxwell, they were fancy people.
31:45
Speaker 1: But he had the same type of relationship before I
31:47
Speaker 1: met him in America. So when I met him, he
31:49
Speaker 1: was already you know, Wexner and he had Henry and
31:52
Speaker 1: she means Henry Kissinger. I don't know if then he
31:55
Speaker 1: was at the Council of Foreign Relations, but he was
31:58
Speaker 1: a friend with A's and you know, like he was
32:01
Speaker 1: well established, Blanche. Yeah. Maxwell, he didn't need me. He
32:06
Speaker 1: was evil was, you know, major model. So she had
32:09
Speaker 1: all these modeling connections and friends in that business long
32:12
Speaker 1: before I met him. And so that trip you went
32:14
Speaker 1: on with mister Epstein, says Blanche and Bobby Kennedy was
32:18
Speaker 1: at in the nineties and two thousands. Maxwell. I think
32:21
Speaker 1: it was I want to say ninety three or ninety four, Blanche. Okay,
32:25
Speaker 1: so a very long time ago, Maxwell, A very very
32:29
Speaker 1: long time ago, Blanche, A few years into the time
32:32
Speaker 1: that you knew mister Epstein. Maxwell. Yes, I mean, I
32:35
Speaker 1: don't want to holle myself to dates because Blanche. No, no,
32:38
Speaker 1: I'm not holding you to dates, Maxwell, because I really don't.
32:42
Speaker 1: She's cut off again by Blanche. I've said that a
32:45
Speaker 1: lot because I appreciate we're talking about the eighties and
32:48
Speaker 1: the nineties and the two thousands. Maxwell, And I just
32:51
Speaker 1: want you to know I haven't had I don't have
32:54
Speaker 1: anything to review, so I don't have the ability the
32:57
Speaker 1: short of my legal material. Obviously you know I have
33:00
Speaker 1: because I can with a box worth, But short of that,
33:03
Speaker 1: I have nothing with which to refresh or very limited
33:06
Speaker 1: stuff I should say. I don't want to say nothing
33:09
Speaker 1: to refresh my mind, Todd, Blanche, I understand that. Do
33:12
Speaker 1: you have any recollection of mister Kennedy being anything inappropriate
33:17
Speaker 1: with mister Kennedy and messuses or young women on the
33:20
Speaker 1: trip you just talked about Glenne Maxwell. I never saw
33:23
Speaker 1: anything inappropriate with mister Kennedy, Blanche. And do you know
33:27
Speaker 1: whether he got a massage from one of the messuses?
33:29
Speaker 1: Do you know either way? Maxwell, I do not, Blanche,
33:34
Speaker 1: but not something you remember, Maxwell, I mean absolutely not.
33:39
Speaker 1: I mean yesterday. If I didn't make it clear, I
33:41
Speaker 1: will reiterate it. I never ever saw any man doing
33:45
Speaker 1: something inappropriate with a woman of any age. I never
33:48
Speaker 1: saw inappropriate habits. Now, I'm not going to say I
33:52
Speaker 1: mean that to me is not inappropriate. Now somebody is
33:56
Speaker 1: inappropriate and mine might be different. But Blanche, yep, we're
34:00
Speaker 1: not talking about anything that resembles the accusations that we've
34:03
Speaker 1: discussed here. So that would be a flat no to
34:06
Speaker 1: any man, Blanche, did you or mister Epstein's relationship with
34:12
Speaker 1: Bobby Kennedy continue into the two thousands? As far as
34:15
Speaker 1: you know, Maxwell, I would say yes, Maxwell, well mine, yes, Blanche,
34:20
Speaker 1: yours with you? Okay? Maxwell with me for sure? Blanche.
34:24
Speaker 1: Do you know whether mister Epstein and mister Kennedy Bobby
34:27
Speaker 1: Kennedy continue to have relationship into the two thousands? Maxwell,
34:31
Speaker 1: I have no personal knowledge of that, Blanche, Yeah, no
34:35
Speaker 1: personal knowledge is fine. All right, folks, We're gonna wrap
34:38
Speaker 1: up right here, and in the next episode, we're gonna
34:40
Speaker 1: pick up where we left off. All of the information
34:43
Speaker 1: that goes with this episode can be found in the
34:46
Speaker 1: description box. What's up, everyone, and welcome to another episode
34:49
Speaker 1: of the Epstein Chronicles. In this episode, we're picking up
34:52
Speaker 1: where we left off with Glenn Maxwell's fireside chat with
34:57
Speaker 1: mister Blanche and the DOJ. Glenn Maxwell. Another thing is
35:03
Speaker 1: that everyone puts us together like a monolith. Blanche. Yeah. Maxwell,
35:08
Speaker 1: he literally had a separate life from me. I literally
35:10
Speaker 1: had a separate life from him. Now did they say, Well,
35:14
Speaker 1: of course they did. I'm not crazy. But he kept
35:17
Speaker 1: a lot to himself and he didn't like to share.
35:19
Speaker 1: He was not a Sharer. Well, at least not with me, Blanche.
35:23
Speaker 1: Mister Epstein didn't share your saying, Maxwell, not with me, No, Blanche,
35:27
Speaker 1: do you know somebody named Cheryl Mills? Maxwell? I do.
35:31
Speaker 1: Blanche used to work in the White House as a lawyer. Maxwell, Yes,
35:35
Speaker 1: I do. Yes, Blanche, how do you know miss Mills? Maxwell?
35:40
Speaker 1: I met Miss Mills through President Clinton. Blanche, do you
35:43
Speaker 1: remember generally the timeframe that you met her? Maxwell? I do? Actually,
35:48
Speaker 1: hang on, I'm sorry, I'm just trying to remember. I'm
35:50
Speaker 1: just trying to get my dates right, Marcus approximately. Maxwell, Okay,
35:55
Speaker 1: I can't get my dates right, but it's something you
35:57
Speaker 1: probably going back to the early two thousand Blanche, Okay, Maxwell,
36:02
Speaker 1: So what I don't recall, Blanche? So Maxwell, I want
36:06
Speaker 1: to say two thousand and two. I'm going to say
36:08
Speaker 1: two thousand and two or two thousand and three, Blanche,
36:11
Speaker 1: So it was after President Clinton left office? Maxwell? Oh, yes, Blanche,
36:15
Speaker 1: so it was in the two thousands. Maxwell, definitely, Blanche,
36:21
Speaker 1: How did you meet her? What were the circumstances under
36:24
Speaker 1: which you met Miss Mills? Maxwell? I went on a
36:27
Speaker 1: trip with the President of South America, Blanche, with which
36:30
Speaker 1: President Maxwell? Oh, sorry, President Clinton, Blanche Okay, just you know, Maxwell, Sorry,
36:37
Speaker 1: Blanche just wanted just wanted to make sure it was clear.
36:41
Speaker 1: So you went on a trip to where Maxwell Latin
36:44
Speaker 1: America Blanche and so miss Mills was on the trip. Maxwell,
36:49
Speaker 1: she was Blanche and President Clinton was on the trip. Maxwell,
36:53
Speaker 1: he was Blanche. Who else was on the trip? Maxwell?
36:57
Speaker 1: Doug band Blanche? Who worked with President Clinton? Maxwell? Yes,
37:02
Speaker 1: Blanche and was mister Epstein? Maxwell, no, Blanche? And what
37:06
Speaker 1: was the purpose of that trip? Maxwell, Well, the president
37:10
Speaker 1: had I don't know, I mean, the president met with
37:13
Speaker 1: I can't even remember all the I know presidents and
37:17
Speaker 1: we were in Blanche. Was this part of President Clinton's
37:20
Speaker 1: work after he left office with his foundation? Maxwell, I
37:25
Speaker 1: don't think the foundation Blanche cuts her off? Was it
37:28
Speaker 1: something for him? Maxwell? I don't remember when the Clinton
37:32
Speaker 1: Global Initiatives started? So if you date me, if you
37:36
Speaker 1: give me that date, I can tell you if it
37:38
Speaker 1: was pre or post because without that I can't pin
37:41
Speaker 1: the reason. Marcus, do you remember what it was for
37:43
Speaker 1: or not? Maxwell? No, I don't recall Marcus. Okay, Maxwell,
37:47
Speaker 1: I mean I don't Blanche. Don't overthink or underthink the
37:51
Speaker 1: reasons for my questions. I don't have any idea why
37:54
Speaker 1: you went on the trip, so I don't know any
37:56
Speaker 1: answer what I'm getting from you Maxwell. No, I'm just
37:59
Speaker 1: trying to be as accurate as possible and give you
38:02
Speaker 1: the information that you seek. Blanche, do you remember why
38:06
Speaker 1: you were invited to go? Like? Were you friends with somebody?
38:10
Speaker 1: What was your role going on the trip? Maxwell? I
38:13
Speaker 1: didn't have a role, Blanche, So you don't remember who
38:16
Speaker 1: invited you? Probably Doug Band, Maxwell says Blanche. And how
38:21
Speaker 1: did you know Doug Maxwell? Because Doug again back with
38:25
Speaker 1: Philip Levine. Blanche got it. And do you know whether
38:28
Speaker 1: he had a relationship with mister Epstein? Maxwell? Who Todd Blanche?
38:33
Speaker 1: Doug Maxwell? I mean nothing. I don't believe there was
38:37
Speaker 1: any relationship other than well, without me, I don't think
38:41
Speaker 1: there would have been those flights because I was the
38:43
Speaker 1: one who asked Epstein to provide the plane. Well, certainly
38:46
Speaker 1: I remember the one to Africa, of course, that big trip,
38:49
Speaker 1: and I thought it was an honor and a privilege
38:51
Speaker 1: to be part of something so amazing and to have
38:53
Speaker 1: the opportunity to spend time with a man that I
38:56
Speaker 1: found truly extraordinary, and please I don't mean it in
39:00
Speaker 1: any other way other than as a former fantastic ex
39:03
Speaker 1: president Blanche. So I was just asking around the question.
39:06
Speaker 1: But I'll just ask it like where you basically asked
39:08
Speaker 1: to go because you were kind of responsible for the plane.
39:12
Speaker 1: Responsible is the wrong word. They were able to use
39:16
Speaker 1: you to make sure that they could. You helped them
39:18
Speaker 1: get mister Epstein's plane for the trip. Maxwell, No, I
39:21
Speaker 1: don't even know if when I was on. In fact,
39:24
Speaker 1: I think I think that trip. I'm not even sure
39:26
Speaker 1: that mister Epstein met with the president Blanche Okay, Maxwell,
39:32
Speaker 1: But if I'm right, and I think I am, I
39:34
Speaker 1: think that trip happened when Epstein and Clinton had never
39:37
Speaker 1: even not that they'd never met, because Epstein had gone
39:40
Speaker 1: to the White House, but they had not met. I'd
39:44
Speaker 1: never asked Epstein for the plane because they'd never met,
39:47
Speaker 1: and it would be weird. But they met because of me,
39:50
Speaker 1: and the plane was because of me. But that trip
39:53
Speaker 1: was the first, I think, the first trip I took
39:55
Speaker 1: with the ex president. And I don't believe Epstein and
39:58
Speaker 1: he had met. And we're talking a time period when
40:00
Speaker 1: I was trying to Blanche, Yeah, leave not very successfully obviously,
40:05
Speaker 1: but I was branching out on my own and being
40:07
Speaker 1: more independent of mister Epstein and trying all kinds of
40:10
Speaker 1: businesses that I was into. I was trying to start
40:13
Speaker 1: the first telehealth medicine with the Cleveland Clinic. I mean,
40:16
Speaker 1: I'm not going to bore you, because I don't think
40:19
Speaker 1: those were the sorts of things that I was looking
40:21
Speaker 1: for him to finance so that I could stop being,
40:23
Speaker 1: you know, a general manager of a hotel, Blanche, So
40:27
Speaker 1: did you take other trips with some or all of
40:29
Speaker 1: those individuals kind of without mister Epstein in later years,
40:33
Speaker 1: Like you said, that was the first time that you
40:35
Speaker 1: kind of been on something like that, and it was
40:37
Speaker 1: an honor that you were spending time with former President
40:40
Speaker 1: Clinton and others over the years. Did you do that
40:43
Speaker 1: more than once? Maxwell? Yes, Blanche will talk about those
40:47
Speaker 1: like multiple times like too many an account or three
40:51
Speaker 1: or four times like how many? Maxwell? A lot a lot.
40:54
Speaker 1: I went on a lot of trips. Now I don't
40:56
Speaker 1: recall all of them, not because I'm trying to be
40:58
Speaker 1: evasive or anything, but I just don't remember them all.
41:01
Speaker 1: And after a while, you know, in the incredible job
41:04
Speaker 1: that you have all of you that when you're so
41:06
Speaker 1: high pressured and you're spending so much time with extraordinary
41:10
Speaker 1: people like you do with President Trump, it can blur.
41:13
Speaker 1: It just does. And those few things that stand out,
41:16
Speaker 1: because at the end it's all just extraordinary as cars
41:20
Speaker 1: and sirens and President It's like WHOA. Okay, Blanche, So
41:25
Speaker 1: I understand, But Maxwell, right, I understand. You can't give
41:29
Speaker 1: specific numbers. Describe more about the kind of your your
41:33
Speaker 1: part of your life and your relationship. I'm using relationship.
41:37
Speaker 1: You don't like relationships, Maxwell, right, Blanche, and sorry, and
41:42
Speaker 1: your Maxwell my employer, Blanche. Yes, just describe what you
41:46
Speaker 1: were doing with those individuals. So when I say those individuals,
41:50
Speaker 1: i'm talking about former President Clinton, Doug other folks that
41:53
Speaker 1: work with them, Maxwell, all of them. Yes, there were
41:56
Speaker 1: loads of them, and just all of them, you know,
41:59
Speaker 1: the team. I don't need to give you all the names.
42:02
Speaker 1: You have them at your fingertips, and I can confirm
42:04
Speaker 1: if you give me names, I'll say yes, because they're
42:07
Speaker 1: not all going to pop into my head. So Blanche right, Maxwell, Okay,
42:11
Speaker 1: So I started spending a lot of time. I don't
42:13
Speaker 1: want to characterize that, but I started spending a lot
42:16
Speaker 1: of time with former president and with Doug and his team,
42:19
Speaker 1: and I had no purpose really other than I obviously
42:22
Speaker 1: offered something. I don't know, ideas I don't know. Anyway,
42:26
Speaker 1: he started to travel. I don't remember if the first
42:29
Speaker 1: trip was Africa or how it went, but at some
42:31
Speaker 1: point I think there was actually two trips, but I'm
42:34
Speaker 1: not sure. So there was to Europe and then to Africa,
42:38
Speaker 1: and I think maybe all was one trip. And at
42:41
Speaker 1: some point mister Epstein said he didn't want to go
42:43
Speaker 1: on the trip and he was going somewhere else and
42:45
Speaker 1: he just left and I was like, well, okay, And
42:48
Speaker 1: so I ended up doing the whole trip without mister
42:51
Speaker 1: Epstein or his plane, Blanche. And when you were traveling
42:54
Speaker 1: with them, what were the purpose of the trips? Like,
42:58
Speaker 1: is this one Maxwell them off? I think actually it
43:01
Speaker 1: was the aides was one of the primary ones for
43:04
Speaker 1: his AIDS foundation when he was working to do that,
43:07
Speaker 1: and there were always humanitarian side to the trip, and
43:11
Speaker 1: we went to Egypt and there was oh yeah, Blanche.
43:14
Speaker 1: So it sounds like you're describing right now one trip
43:17
Speaker 1: with lots of stops. Maxwell. It could be, but I
43:20
Speaker 1: have a feeling that I went on other trips, but
43:22
Speaker 1: I can't remember, Blanche, you went on these, Maxwell cuts
43:26
Speaker 1: them off. I went to London, Blanche went to London, Okay, Maxwell.
43:30
Speaker 1: I don't know if that's the same trip, Blanche. When
43:33
Speaker 1: you went on these trips, were you always on mister
43:36
Speaker 1: Epstein's plane, Maxwell? No? Or did sometimes someone accompany them
43:41
Speaker 1: on a different plane? Maxwell? Correct? Yes, Blanche? How many
43:46
Speaker 1: were on mister Epstein's plane Again, I'm not holding you
43:49
Speaker 1: to exact numbers, Maxwell, That was a full that was
43:53
Speaker 1: packed because it was a lot of Secret Service. It
43:56
Speaker 1: took all the secret services as well, Blanche. Okay, Maxwell,
44:00
Speaker 1: So it was whatever the detail is for secret Service,
44:03
Speaker 1: it's a lot, Blanche. And on how many occasions besides
44:07
Speaker 1: the trip you just described, were there other times when
44:11
Speaker 1: they used when President Clinton and the folks he's with
44:14
Speaker 1: use mister Epstein's plane, Glenn Maxwell, I think there was twice.
44:18
Speaker 1: Maybe there was that, But it will reflect on the logs.
44:22
Speaker 1: There won't be anything that's not on the logs that
44:24
Speaker 1: you have already, Blanche. Were you, by the way, responsible
44:28
Speaker 1: for the logs in any way, Like you've seen the
44:31
Speaker 1: logs and they're a public and you have them in
44:34
Speaker 1: discovery but over the years when you were working with
44:37
Speaker 1: or for mister Epstein, did you have access to the logs? Maxwell? No, never,
44:42
Speaker 1: the pilots the logbook that was their personal logbook. I
44:46
Speaker 1: never saw them have it. I never saw them fill
44:48
Speaker 1: it in. And then there was a second set of logs,
44:51
Speaker 1: the flight manifests, and I never saw those either. I
44:54
Speaker 1: was never allowed, I suppose because he didn't want me
44:57
Speaker 1: to see Blanche. So do you know whether mister Epstein
45:00
Speaker 1: had a separate relationship with President Clinton, different from the
45:04
Speaker 1: one you just described, so different that being with him
45:07
Speaker 1: with respect to his foundation or something like this. Maxwell,
45:11
Speaker 1: I would say, no, Blanche. When's the last time that
45:14
Speaker 1: you went on a trip or saw President Clinton. It
45:18
Speaker 1: was late two thousand and I don't know, sixteen seventeen eighteen.
45:21
Speaker 1: It was in Los Angeles, Blanche. And what was the
45:24
Speaker 1: purpose of the meeting? Maxwell? I think he was hosting
45:27
Speaker 1: something or he was at an event and I was
45:30
Speaker 1: in LA and I had dinner with him. Blanche. Did
45:33
Speaker 1: you ever meet Secretary Clinton? Hillary Clinton? Yes, Blanche, when'd
45:37
Speaker 1: you meet her? Maxwell? I want to say again, please
45:40
Speaker 1: don't hold me to it, but I want to say
45:42
Speaker 1: that it was on a flight that came from the
45:44
Speaker 1: island from the island, from Nantucket or Marthur's vineyard back
45:49
Speaker 1: to New York is what I think I might be wrong. Okay,
45:53
Speaker 1: so an East Coast island like Nantucket. Maxwell, Yes, Maxwell,
46:00
Speaker 1: the ex president never came to the island, Blanche. Is
46:04
Speaker 1: that the only time that you met Hillary Clinton? Maxwell? No,
46:07
Speaker 1: I went to the house in Chappaqua a few times, Blanche.
46:10
Speaker 1: And why did you go to the house, Maxwell, I
46:13
Speaker 1: was invited, Blanche, just to see President Clinton or Hillary
46:16
Speaker 1: or both. Maxwell. Yeah, I mean as a friend, not
46:21
Speaker 1: for I don't there was no. I don't remember any
46:23
Speaker 1: reason either. Was somehow I communicated that was incoming driving
46:28
Speaker 1: back past Chappaqua, or if they were home and stop in.
46:32
Speaker 1: I know it sounds a little flippant. It couldn't have
46:34
Speaker 1: been something. Blanche. And do you know whether mister Epstein
46:38
Speaker 1: knew or had any sort of visit dealings or associations
46:41
Speaker 1: with Hillary Clinton? Maxwell, I would say no, Blanche. Did
46:45
Speaker 1: you ever see them together? Maxwell know? Blanche, did you
46:49
Speaker 1: ever know whether mister Epstein did any business transactions with
46:53
Speaker 1: the Clintons Maxwell, Well, I'm not sure I can. I'm
46:56
Speaker 1: not sure how it'll quite I don't know the answer
46:59
Speaker 1: to that strictly because I was part of the beginning
47:01
Speaker 1: process of the Clinton Global Initiative and that was something
47:05
Speaker 1: that I helped with and that was me and Depstein
47:07
Speaker 1: may have helped them too, And in that context, he
47:11
Speaker 1: may well be involved himself, but only in the context
47:14
Speaker 1: of something that I was trying to do. Blanche. So
47:17
Speaker 1: when you say involved himself, meaning like give money to
47:20
Speaker 1: the Clinton Global Initiative or something like this, Maxwell, Well,
47:23
Speaker 1: so there's that. I think he did that, and I
47:26
Speaker 1: believe the money that he may have given could have
47:28
Speaker 1: been independent of me. But I think it's just easier
47:31
Speaker 1: if I just tell you how it happened. Otherwise it
47:34
Speaker 1: sounds odd and funky. I went to Davis with the
47:37
Speaker 1: former president. Have you been to Davis Blanche? In what Maxwell?
47:42
Speaker 1: Have you been to Davis Blanche? I have not? Okay, Well,
47:46
Speaker 1: you know you know what it's like, right, So I
47:48
Speaker 1: thought the former president should have his own Davis because
47:51
Speaker 1: it would be And it turned out that they had
47:54
Speaker 1: been thinking about it anyway, and so we were talking
47:57
Speaker 1: about it, and you know, it's a very heavy to
48:00
Speaker 1: get something like that to go, and I was friendly
48:03
Speaker 1: with one of the people. I don't know if he
48:05
Speaker 1: was at the beginning of Davis, but he was running it.
48:09
Speaker 1: I don't know how to describe his actual role. And
48:12
Speaker 1: he had conversations with him about what he did, you know,
48:16
Speaker 1: just because I was having dinner with him about if
48:18
Speaker 1: Clinton could get something like that to go. What was
48:21
Speaker 1: his thoughts, and he was very enthusiastic. I mean, he
48:24
Speaker 1: was like, that's just an incredible idea. So I put
48:27
Speaker 1: them together. That person's name, do you remember Maxwell? I
48:32
Speaker 1: knew you were going to ask me, Blanche Maxwell, I ken,
48:35
Speaker 1: Blanche didn't know if you knew his name or remember Maxwell.
48:39
Speaker 1: I do know, I do, but I just Blanche can't
48:43
Speaker 1: remember his name. Okay, Maxwell, it'll come to me. It
48:47
Speaker 1: may come to me tomorrow. But eventually these things like
48:49
Speaker 1: surface from the middle of the night. Blanche, Yeah, Maxwell
48:54
Speaker 1: that I couldn't remember from yesterday, Blanche, Okay, Maxwell, but
48:58
Speaker 1: his name will come to me, and if not, we
49:01
Speaker 1: can find it all right. So we're gonna wrap up
49:04
Speaker 1: right here, and then the next episode we're gonna pick
49:06
Speaker 1: up where we left off. All of the information that
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