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Breaking: Skubal Wins Record-Setting Arbitration Case · Tiger Territory: A Detroit Tigers Podcast

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  Speaker 1: And welcome into another episode a Tiger Territory part of
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  Speaker 1: the Foul Territory Network Tiger's podcast. I'm Karen Steckley with
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  Speaker 1: me as always as a man who prefers trial by
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  Speaker 1: fire to file and trial. He is Kunny Stavidaggen.
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  Speaker 2: How you doing? Hey doing all right? Karen?
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  Speaker 3: We finally reached the end of this thing, right Trek Scooble.
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  Speaker 3: In case you have not heard, he has won his
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  Speaker 3: arbitration case. I think a lot of people want to know.
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  Speaker 3: Did he pull the tim linscomb? Did he walk in
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  Speaker 3: the room thud the two cy Young plaques on the table.
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  Speaker 3: I think he should have. I think that would have
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  Speaker 3: been cool. Trek Scooble is a swaggy guy. My understanding
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  Speaker 3: based on conversations I had today that didn't happen. Scott
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  Speaker 3: Boris brought the awards. I don't know if they were
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  Speaker 3: in a briefcase or what he had them. Did not
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  Speaker 3: deploy them. They were there in case of emergency, in
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  Speaker 3: case things got weird. My understanding, this hearing was pretty
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  Speaker 3: standard procedure. Boris made his case. We know what his
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  Speaker 3: arguments were. Right that your players can compare themselves to
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  Speaker 3: anyone Schooble is a special case the Tigers. It would
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  Speaker 3: have been really dumb for them to ever try to
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  Speaker 3: get personal with a back to back cy Young winner.
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  Speaker 3: I don't think they did that. I think they pointed
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  Speaker 3: to well, Jacob de Gram made this, David Price made this.
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  Speaker 3: Trek's great but this within the confines of the system,
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  Speaker 3: we feel nineteen million is an appropriate number something along
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  Speaker 3: those lines. Now, the panel sided with Trek.
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  Speaker 2: Scoobel, which is a big deal because, like.
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  Speaker 3: I said, I think the Tigers had I thought they
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  Speaker 3: had a valid case. I don't know if I thought
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  Speaker 3: they were gonna win, but I thought they you know,
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  Speaker 3: their arguments had some merit and was there an arbitration
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  Speaker 3: panel that was actually going to be willing to part
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  Speaker 3: with precedent to award a twenty two million dollar raise
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  Speaker 3: when previously the biggest raise was nine point six million.
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  Speaker 2: Well we got our answer.
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  Speaker 3: It's a win for Trek Scouble to win for Scott
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  Speaker 3: Boris again, pretty clever work by Scott Boris. I think
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  Speaker 3: to even pull this, say what you want. He's a
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  Speaker 3: pretty good agent, right, There's a reason people want him
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  Speaker 3: representing them, and might be a win for players in
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  Speaker 3: the future, So here we are. It's strange, all this
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  Speaker 3: drama all off season, school gets his money, but the
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  Speaker 3: Tigers signed from Ravaldez. For all the accusations of being cheap,
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  Speaker 3: they are going to walk in with a CBT payroll
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  Speaker 3: near two hundred and thirty three million. That's a franchise record,
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  Speaker 3: and the Tigers are in pretty good shape entering the
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  Speaker 3: twenty twenty sixth season.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, as I kind of gather my thoughts
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  Speaker 1: about this, one of the you know, the headline is
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  Speaker 1: Schooble won his case, and that's obviously accurate. He did
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  Speaker 1: when he gets an increase in salary as opposed to
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  Speaker 1: what the Tigers had filed to pay him. But it
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  Speaker 1: I just don't get vibes Cody that this is like
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  Speaker 1: a loss for the Tigers. This felt like a procedural
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  Speaker 1: move for the Tigers. They handled it that way the
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  Speaker 1: entire time, the way they filed, the way they you know,
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  Speaker 1: put out there that they were willing to negotiate, the
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  Speaker 1: way you know, nothing like you said, nothing personal, nothing
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  Speaker 1: like any accusations of bad faith. Really like this they
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  Speaker 1: just kind of went, you know, it kind of told
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  Speaker 1: the line basically just went right in line with what
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  Speaker 1: is kind of standard operator procedure. So with that in mind,
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  Speaker 1: it doesn't it doesn't to me feel like, oh they
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  Speaker 1: lost and anything. I still kind of think they're winners
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  Speaker 1: because now their best player face of the franchise, you know,
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  Speaker 1: at least for one more year, potentially is a happy camper,
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  Speaker 1: and I think that is probably a better result. Is
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  Speaker 1: it worth the thirteen million or whatever for School to
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  Speaker 1: be the happiest of campers? It's not my money, I
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  Speaker 1: guess it's not really fair good for me to say,
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  Speaker 1: but I I feel like that's a decent investment. Uh,
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  Speaker 1: when you're trying to win a division, win a pennant,
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  Speaker 1: when a World series, So like, it's hard for you
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  Speaker 1: to say that Tigers are losers. Very happy for terrek'schoogle.
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  Speaker 1: I'm happy that we can kind of get out of
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  Speaker 1: a antiquated precedent arbitration process now with knowledge that not
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  Speaker 1: every case is going to be a Trek schoolbl case.
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  Speaker 1: But like it, it it didn't necess it never really
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  Speaker 1: sat right with me that David Price's was still the
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  Speaker 1: highest number and that we're going all the way back.
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  Speaker 1: And again, I know these are unique circumstances, but it
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  Speaker 1: did feel like it needed a little bit of a reset,
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  Speaker 1: and I'm happy that we can kind of move on,
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  Speaker 1: like as observers and fans of the game, that we
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  Speaker 1: can kind of move on from an older way of
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  Speaker 1: thinking it and now we have, you know, something, something
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  Speaker 1: new to go off when when these things come up
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  Speaker 1: in the future. So uh, I feel in a good
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  Speaker 1: mood about it. I think the Tigers are okay with
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  Speaker 1: about it, and Trek school is ecstatic about it. So
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  Speaker 1: every doesn't really feel like anybody's taken any else today.
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  Speaker 3: Trek scoobl is a rich man. A couple do think
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  Speaker 3: A couple things I do want to note, right, the
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  Speaker 3: Tigers offer of nineteen million look doesn't look great, probably
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  Speaker 3: looks even worse now that they lost. The Tigers based
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  Speaker 3: on a lot of reporting from Ken Rosenthal and others
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  Speaker 3: like teams work with the league, the league's labor relations
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  Speaker 3: department to come up with these numbers.
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  Speaker 2: So it's just important to know.
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  Speaker 3: I don't think this was Scott Harris sitting in his
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  Speaker 3: office being like, you know what, We're only going to
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  Speaker 3: offer Errek scouble nineteen million. The Tigers may hit, Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: the Tigers may have been under some pressure from the
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  Speaker 3: league's labor relations department to come up with that number.
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  Speaker 3: Maybe to suppress that salary a little bit. Now, should
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  Speaker 3: Harris or someone have stood up and say, Yo, this
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  Speaker 3: is a little bit too low. Maybe we should offer
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  Speaker 3: I don't know, twenty two to twenty three, twenty four million,
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  Speaker 3: And maybe could you have avoided this whole thing and
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  Speaker 3: saved yourself some money in the process. I don't know
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  Speaker 3: how that would have turned out, but I.
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  Speaker 2: Think that is worth pondering.
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  Speaker 3: If you're looking for a lane to still be mad
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  Speaker 3: at the Tigers, here, I think that's the lane.
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  Speaker 2: Now.
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  Speaker 3: Otherwise, here's something I want to show you guys. We're
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  Speaker 3: back to the good vibes, right, Jack Flaherty, I mean,
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  Speaker 3: check this out. Dinner's on school band fromber Michael Jordan Dowsing,
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  Speaker 3: Dennis Rodman with Champagne. We know Terrek's shared the graphic
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  Speaker 3: of from Bravaldez yesterday. I said dinners on Fromber. Now
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  Speaker 3: we got dinner on Schoogle and Fromber. Jack Flarerty seems hie.
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  Speaker 3: Trek Scougle seems like to have another running mate. Like
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  Speaker 3: we said, the Tigers are going to run out this
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  Speaker 3: record payroll after so much scrutiny all off season. It
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  Speaker 3: is kind of strange how all this seems to be
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  Speaker 3: headed to a pretty nice place at least for now.
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  Speaker 3: We'll see what happens when we get to July August,
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  Speaker 3: we'll see where the Tigers are standings.
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  Speaker 2: But at least for now, I think some of the speculation.
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  Speaker 3: Is gonna die down and Erk Scuble and his team
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  Speaker 3: can focus on baseball.
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  Speaker 1: So I obviously read a lot of stuff on Twitter today,
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  Speaker 1: so I do not remember who put this out there,
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  Speaker 1: so I apologize, but someone made a point to say
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  Speaker 1: that Fromber, Schooble, and Flaherty have a higher salary this
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  Speaker 1: season than the I think almost the entire twenty twenty
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  Speaker 1: one destroy Tigers our first year doing this at least
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  Speaker 1: pitching rotation, pitching rotation, just with the pitching rotation, so
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  Speaker 1: as three guys making a lot of money, it does
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  Speaker 1: feel like a different era now that we can kind
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  Speaker 1: of move on and put all this past us, at
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  Speaker 1: least for this season. And it did get me to
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  Speaker 1: to just like think about the future right now that
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  Speaker 1: we can kind of move past this process. Schooble wins
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  Speaker 1: his arbitration, I'm gonna as you Cody increased chances, decreased chances,
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  Speaker 1: or no crease, So basically no change, School will trade
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  Speaker 1: it does this arbitration, you know, finality, increase, decrease or
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  Speaker 1: no crease his chances of getting traded this year.
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  Speaker 3: Well, again, let's go back to Ken Rosenthal's reporting basically
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  Speaker 3: said the Tigers aren't trading him. So I'm gonna believe
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  Speaker 3: that that's from a source with knowledge of the Tiger's plans,
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  Speaker 3: and I think that aligns with what we've talked about
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  Speaker 3: all off season. Maybe if David Sterns calls Scott Harris
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  Speaker 3: tomorrow and offers him Nolan McLain and you know, Tongue
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  Speaker 3: and all his other top prospects, maybe this conversation could
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  Speaker 3: still change. Right, Like, I don't know if we should
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  Speaker 3: ever operate in absolutes, but the Tigers, they're not going
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  Speaker 3: to be looking to Dealterreic School just because he's making
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  Speaker 3: more money. I don't think they've ever planned to lower
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  Speaker 3: what's been a high astronomical asking price. So I don't
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  Speaker 3: think this hearing ever really had much bearing on the
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  Speaker 3: Schooble trade conversation.
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  Speaker 1: All right, Well, increase, decrease, no crease, trek Schooble re
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  Speaker 1: signs with the Tigers.
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  Speaker 3: Also, I'm gonna go no crease because I just don't
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  Speaker 3: think he's resigning. I mean, I don't know, maybe a
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  Speaker 3: slight upticks since he wins this case, and like it
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  Speaker 3: seems like whatever awkwardness is smoothed over a little bit,
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  Speaker 3: But the chances of that still seem incredibly slim to me.
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  Speaker 3: Scott Boris is gonna want him to go to free
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  Speaker 3: agency and the whole leaku's gonna have a chance to bid.
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  Speaker 3: Are the Tigers really going to be willing to outbid
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  Speaker 3: the Dodgers, the Yankees, the Mets, whoever may, whoever else
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  Speaker 3: may jerre that fray. I just have a really hard
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  Speaker 3: time seeing it. I've always had a really hard time
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  Speaker 3: seeing it. I don't think this really changes.
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  Speaker 1: Much, all right, Increase, decrease, nocrease, clubhouse vibes. I think
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  Speaker 1: we might have already answered that with the Flaherty Instagram post.
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  Speaker 3: I think it's an increase or school's got to be
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  Speaker 3: happier than if he lost the hearing and was shown
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  Speaker 3: up making nineteen million. Now could there still be some awkwardness?
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  Speaker 3: So I'm like, really, you guys only after me?
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  Speaker 2: Nineteen.
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  Speaker 3: Maybe, But the combination of this and I think important
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  Speaker 3: that the Tigers signed from bravaldees.
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  Speaker 2: They put their money where their mouth is, whereas.
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  Speaker 3: Someone else wrote their money where their ace is, and
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  Speaker 3: they're supporting this team. They're running out a record payroll.
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  Speaker 3: Like some of the things I thought were going to
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  Speaker 3: cause tension feel a lot different after they make a
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  Speaker 3: big signing, Schoogle gets his money, Like, what is there
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  Speaker 3: to really, you know, be mad or be tense or
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  Speaker 3: be awkward about Now the Tigers look to be making
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  Speaker 3: a legit run in twenty twenty six. This might be
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  Speaker 3: their last shot Scoop ball. This might be Scoogle's last
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  Speaker 3: shot in Detroit. Today, my read on things is a
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  Speaker 3: little different than it has been because it feels like, maybe,
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  Speaker 3: you know, this is ending in a unifying fashion. Both
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  Speaker 3: parties can focus on doing what they can to win
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  Speaker 3: the World Series this season and that's it.
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  Speaker 2: All right.
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  Speaker 1: What about optics something that we've talked about increased decrease,
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  Speaker 1: no crease optics because again the not too not too
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  Speaker 1: long ago, Cody, we were on this podcast talking about
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  Speaker 1: how like, you know, you signed fromber for this big
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  Speaker 1: aav and you and you only filed for nineteen with
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  Speaker 1: school ball, and we talked about how that's not an
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  Speaker 1: accurate representation of everything, but the optics of it still
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  Speaker 1: just got put out there. Yeah, and then just just
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  Speaker 1: the the far away you know filing that happened. Optics wise,
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  Speaker 1: the Tigers were not winners of the optic war, the
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  Speaker 1: pr war throughout this process. So maybe the fact that
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  Speaker 1: Schooble wins like increase decrease, no crease optics of the
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  Speaker 1: Tigers operationally, I guess. And I was tricky.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I am I wrong to think it's an increase,
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  Speaker 3: Like is everything to sunshine and rainbows?
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  Speaker 1: Now?
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  Speaker 3: I think it's an increase. I also, I do think
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  Speaker 3: we got it. We talked about this a little bit
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  Speaker 3: last night. But like this perception that the Valdez contract
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  Speaker 3: is a slap in the face.
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  Speaker 2: To Scooble, Like, guys, we got to get off that.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, that's we're just not knowing ball here. Arbitration
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  Speaker 3: is not a perfect system. The system might have just
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  Speaker 3: got better after Schoobol's victory, But bottom line is, free
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  Speaker 3: agents make more than arbitration players. That's just how it works.
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  Speaker 3: Trek Scuoble, even Scott Boris did not ask for thirty
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  Speaker 3: eight plus million dollars. They asked for thirty two million dollars. Surely,
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  Speaker 3: with some understanding that arbitration and free agency are two
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  Speaker 3: different things, should the Tigers have offered schoob a little more? Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: you know what, probably, But I think it's good for everybody,
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  Speaker 3: Good for Terrek Scooble, good for the Tige that they
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  Speaker 3: paid from Bravaldez. Schoobl's getting his thirty two mil. He's
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  Speaker 3: gonna get a lot more one year from now. Like
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  Speaker 3: it's just apples to orange. Is the idea that that's
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  Speaker 3: somehow insulting the Trek's school, that the Tigers paid up
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  Speaker 3: for another good player, That's silly, And I just I
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  Speaker 3: think that reeks of a lack of understanding of baseball's
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  Speaker 3: financial system.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, and I would probably add that Trek Schoogle, being
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  Speaker 1: a the smart guy that he is, be the you know,
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  Speaker 1: labor involved, you know presence that he is, is smart
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  Speaker 1: enough to know like this is just kind of how
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  Speaker 1: the game is played. They played the game their way,
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  Speaker 1: The Tigers played the game their way. I think he
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  Speaker 1: can and obviously we weren't any it weren't privy to
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  Speaker 1: anything that happened in the room specifically, but if it
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  Speaker 1: was just kind of run the line, this is, you know,
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  Speaker 1: precedent and this other Tigers operated, there's nothing to feel
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  Speaker 1: bad about. And again you won anyway, so you know
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  Speaker 1: it's hard to Uh. I just feel like any like
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  Speaker 1: bad emotion would be pretty fleeting, you know, given that
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  Speaker 1: you just won your arm.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I think maybe the bigger conversation is,
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  Speaker 3: like the system in equity and we're going to have
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  Speaker 3: a collective bargaining dispute also less than a year from now,
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  Speaker 3: probably over some of these topics. That's probably one reason
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  Speaker 3: schoobl and Boris filed at thirty two million. Say, hey,
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  Speaker 3: if you're entering your final year of arbitration and you're
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  Speaker 3: the best pitcher in the sport, maybe you shouldn't be
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  Speaker 3: making drastically less than free agents when you are better
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  Speaker 3: than those players.
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  Speaker 2: That's what this whole thing was about.
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  Speaker 3: Scooble raised this bar for arbitration players a little bit,
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  Speaker 3: and props to him for doing that, But the idea
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  Speaker 3: that he was ever going to make more than from
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  Speaker 3: ber Valdez, or the idea that the Tigers shouldn't have
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  Speaker 3: paid another player more than they're paying Schooble, Like those
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  Speaker 3: are those are just very different things.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, so I went and looked up the numbers. Schooble
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  Speaker 1: fromber Flairty eighty seven point eight million this year in
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  Speaker 1: salary twenty twenty one adjusted payroll for the Tigers eighty
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  Speaker 1: six point three million. That's the whole team adjusted payroll,
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  Speaker 1: according the spot Track. So how how how things have changed,
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  Speaker 1: Cody since we first started, uh first started doing this?
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  Speaker 1: All right, I don't know if I have so much
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  Speaker 1: to add. It feels weird. It kind of feels like
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  Speaker 1: a holiday that you had anticipation for and then like
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  Speaker 1: and then like you like you go through it and
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  Speaker 1: you're like, all right, well what now? Like I don't
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  Speaker 1: know what to you know, it's.
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  Speaker 3: Like you pop the champagne. You're like, is this supposed
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  Speaker 3: to feel Maybe? I'm like, is this supposed to feel better?
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  Speaker 3: Like nothing's actually changed here.
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  Speaker 1: So now we move on to UH to regularly regularly
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  Speaker 1: scheduled programming, and uh, I guess maybe this is the
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  Speaker 1: perfect way to lead off into pictures and catchers reporting
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  Speaker 1: UH next week? Any other thoughts, Cody before we jet
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  Speaker 1: out of here?
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  Speaker 3: Uh, my mind's a mess from the last two days.
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  Speaker 3: So that's that's all I can put out there coherently.
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  Speaker 3: I don't even know if any of this was coherent.
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  Speaker 2: That's that's all I got for right now.
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  Speaker 1: All right, I'm sure we'll be able to talk about
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  Speaker 1: it more next week, especially once you are down in Lakeland.
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