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The Colorado Springs Dismemberment Case · Murder Files Unsealed

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  Speaker 1: So I want you to picture a completely quiet, just
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  Speaker 1: totally mundane Saturday afternoon.
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  Speaker 2: Right, just a normal lazy weekend.
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  Speaker 1: Exactly. You are at a local police station. There are
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  Speaker 1: no sirens wailing in the background, no high-speed chases that
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  Speaker 1: just wrapped up in the parking lot.
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  Speaker 2: Just the usual weekend shift stuff, you know, noise complaints,
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  Speaker 2: fender benders.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, maybe some petty theft from the local mall. It
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  Speaker 1: is the furthest thing from the prime time for a
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  Speaker 1: major homicide confession.
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  Speaker 2: Absolutely.
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  Speaker 1: But then... A mother walks up to the officer at
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  Speaker 1: the front desk, looks him right in the eye, and says,
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  Speaker 1: there's no words for what you're fixing to find out. Wow.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, that just sends chills down your spine.
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  Speaker 1: It really does. Welcome to the Deep Dive, everyone. Today,
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  Speaker 1: we are looking at a story that completely, well, it
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  Speaker 1: shatters the whole illusion of those neat, clean police procedurals
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  Speaker 1: you see on TV.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, totally. Real life is so much messier.
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  Speaker 1: It's so messy. Today's source material is this stark, genuinely
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  Speaker 1: shocking local news report out of Colorado Springs. It was
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  Speaker 1: originally reported by KRDO through CNN Newsource.
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  Speaker 2: And we really need to read between the lines of
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  Speaker 2: this brief police report.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's our mission today. We are going to unpack
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  Speaker 1: the psychological ambiguity of a blackout confession.
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  Speaker 2: Which is fascinating all on its own.
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  Speaker 1: Right. And we are going to map out the timeline
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  Speaker 1: of this bizarre post-death cover-up and sadly examine the tragic
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  Speaker 1: warning signs that are just buried right there in the text.
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  Speaker 2: The misc. red flags are always the hardest part to read.
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  Speaker 1: They really are. So, just to give you the core
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  Speaker 1: facts right up front, a woman named Sheldon Wilson, she
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  Speaker 1: goes by Shelly, she walks in and surrenders herself.
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  Speaker 2: And she doesn't go alone, right?
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  Speaker 1: No, she doesn't. And when police drive to her home
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  Speaker 1: to check out what she meant by, you know, what
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  Speaker 1: you're fixing to find out, they basically walk into a
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  Speaker 1: scene straight out of a horror film.
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  Speaker 2: The thing about the source that is so deeply compelling
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  Speaker 2: to me, it isn't merely the gruesome physical discovery itself.
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  Speaker 1: Right. It's the person telling the story. Exactly.
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  Speaker 2: It's the unreliable narrator sitting at the absolute center of
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  Speaker 2: it all.
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  Speaker 1: She is the definition of unreliable here.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean, we are looking at this incredibly dark intersection.
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  Speaker 2: You have domestic tragedy, profound substance abuse, and this blackout. Bizarre,
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  Speaker 2: sustained bureaucratic fraud.
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  Speaker 1: All mashed together. All of it.
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  Speaker 2: And it's all filtered through the fragmented, highly damaged memory
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  Speaker 2: of the suspect herself.
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  Speaker 1: So I want to start by putting you, the listener,
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  Speaker 1: right back in that initiating incident. Imagine that Saturday afternoon again.
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  Speaker 2: The quiet precinct.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. Shelley Wilson walks in, but crucially, as you mentioned earlier,
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  Speaker 1: she doesn't walk in alone.
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  Speaker 2: Right.
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  Speaker 1: She walks in with her adult daughter. And I feel
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  Speaker 1: like that detail is huge.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, it fundamentally alters the entire dynamic of that interaction
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  Speaker 2: at the front desk.
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  Speaker 1: How so? Like, why couldn't she just go by herself?
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  Speaker 2: Well, keeping a secret of this magnitude, it creates a
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  Speaker 2: massive gravitational pull within a family structure.
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  Speaker 1: It just sucks everyone in.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it practically bends reality around the person keeping it.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, living with that level of deception for months
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  Speaker 2: requires immense, just exhausting energy.
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  Speaker 1: I can't even imagine the toll that takes.
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  Speaker 2: Right. And in families dealing with severe substance abuse, children,
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  Speaker 2: even adult children, they often become... Highly attuned barometers for
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  Speaker 2: their parents' erratic behavior.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, they become like the designated reality checkers for the family.
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  Speaker 2: That is a perfect way to describe it. They develop
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  Speaker 2: this hypervigilance.
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  Speaker 1: Always waiting for the other shoe to drop.
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  Speaker 2: Exactly. So it is highly probable that the daughter noticed
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  Speaker 2: the physical reality of the house.
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  Speaker 1: Like what kind of physical reality?
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  Speaker 2: Perhaps a smell, you know, or maybe locked doors that
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  Speaker 2: were never locked before.
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  Speaker 1: Weird changes in routine.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. Or, honestly, just as likely, her mother's psychological containment
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  Speaker 2: simply fractured.
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  Speaker 1: Like she just couldn't hold the secret in anymore?
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  Speaker 2: Right. The dam finally broke and she confessed to her
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  Speaker 2: daughter first.
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  Speaker 1: Wow. Imagine being that daughter.
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  Speaker 2: I know. Walking into a precinct with a family member
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  Speaker 2: to report a crime of this nature, it really suggests
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  Speaker 2: an intervention.
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  Speaker 1: Like the daughter dragged her there.
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  Speaker 2: Well, it suggests the daughter was the grounding force. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: The force that physically propelled Shelly out of her paralysis
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  Speaker 2: and into the legal reality of what she'd actually done.
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  Speaker 1: Just think about the sheer agony of that car ride
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  Speaker 1: to the police station.
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  Speaker 2: The silence in that vehicle would be deafening.
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  Speaker 1: Right. And then she gets to the desk and uses
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  Speaker 1: that specific phrase. There's no words for what you're fixing
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  Speaker 1: to find out.
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  Speaker 2: It's so colloquial.
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  Speaker 1: It almost sounds folksy. Which, I mean, that makes it
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  Speaker 1: infinitely more chilling, given the context.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, that phrase, fixing to, it implies a total resignation
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  Speaker 2: to the inevitable.
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  Speaker 1: Like the train has left the station.
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  Speaker 2: Exactly. She is positioning herself almost as a bystander to
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  Speaker 2: the horror waiting in her own home.
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  Speaker 1: Which is wild, considering she's the one who caused it.
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  Speaker 2: It is wild. But there is a vast psychological chasm
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  Speaker 2: between the chaotic, adrenaline-fueled state of committing a violent act...
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  Speaker 2: and the exhausted, depleted state of turning oneself in after
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  Speaker 2: months of hiding.
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  Speaker 1: So she's just totally burnt out on the secret.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, the secret has worn her down to a nub.
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  Speaker 2: She isn't really confessing in the traditional sense. She is
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  Speaker 2: relinquishing the burden of the cover-up.
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  Speaker 1: She's just dropping the bags.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Literally and figuratively. And that anticipation, built at the police station,
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  Speaker 1: it has to transition into the sensory reality the officers
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  Speaker 1: faced when they actually drove over to her Colorado Springs home.
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  Speaker 2: Which brings us to the scene itself.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. The records state that when the police arrived at
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  Speaker 1: Wilson's home, there was immediately a, quote, strong odor.
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  Speaker 2: And we all know what that implies in a case
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  Speaker 2: involving a decomposing body.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's unmistakable.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: But then the police get inside the house and they
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  Speaker 1: find two totes.
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  Speaker 2: Just regular totes.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, just everyday plastic storage totes you buy at any
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  Speaker 1: big box store, like for winter clothes. Oh, wow. And
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  Speaker 1: inside each tote is a garbage bag. One bag appears
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  Speaker 1: to have decomposing body parts inside. The other bag is
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  Speaker 1: sealed with duct tape.
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  Speaker 2: Wait, only one bag was duct taped?
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  Speaker 1: Yes. And that makes absolutely no physical or logical sense
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  Speaker 1: to me. None at all.
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  Speaker 2: Right.
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  Speaker 1: If you were going to the horrific lengths of dismembering
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  Speaker 1: a human body and putting it into garbage bags inside
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  Speaker 1: plastic bins, why on earth would you stop halfway on
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  Speaker 1: the tape?
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  Speaker 2: It's a complete collision of domestic routine and sheer panic.
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  Speaker 1: It really is.
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  Speaker 2: I mean... Using a plastic storage bin speaks to a
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  Speaker 2: mind attempting to literally box up a problem.
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  Speaker 1: In a sight out of mind.
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  Speaker 2: Trying to, anyway. She is trying to compartmentalize the trauma
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  Speaker 2: using the most banal tools of suburban organization.
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  Speaker 1: Use those totes for, like, holiday decorations, not human remains.
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  Speaker 2: Exactly. And as for the tape, that specific detail, one sealed,
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  Speaker 2: one unsealed, it tells a whole story.
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  Speaker 1: What does it tell you?
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  Speaker 2: It tells the story of a process that was started
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  Speaker 2: and then abruptly abandoned.
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  Speaker 1: Because the reality of what she was doing just completely
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  Speaker 1: overwhelmed her system.
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  Speaker 2: Precisely. Dismembering a human body, particularly someone you have actually
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  Speaker 2: lived with, is an extraordinarily difficult, gruesome, and physically demanding task.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, it's not like the movies.
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  Speaker 2: Not at all. It is not something you just breeze
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  Speaker 2: through in a weekend afternoon. The sensory overload alone, the sight,
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  Speaker 2: the physical exertion, the profound psychological violation of the act,
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  Speaker 2: It pushes the human brain past its breaking point.
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  Speaker 1: So she basically just short-circuited.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. The fact that one bag is sealed and the
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  Speaker 2: other is not, it highly suggests her brain simply shut
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  Speaker 2: her body down.
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  Speaker 1: She just couldn't do it anymore.
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  Speaker 2: She hit a wall of pure revulsion or maybe just
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  Speaker 2: physical exhaustion and never completed the task.
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  Speaker 1: And because she didn't finish, that's why the strong odor
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  Speaker 1: was there.
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  Speaker 2: Exactly. The strong odor the police noted proves her containment
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  Speaker 2: strategy had completely failed.
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  Speaker 1: It's so disturbing.
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  Speaker 2: She was living in a state of horrific denial, attempting
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  Speaker 2: to impose order on an act of ultimate disorder using
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  Speaker 2: like a roll of duct tape. And she couldn't even
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  Speaker 2: finish that.
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  Speaker 1: It is genuinely haunting to picture those mundane plastic bins
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  Speaker 1: just sitting in a house, maybe in a living room
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  Speaker 1: corner or a basement.
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  Speaker 2: Just radiating this absolute nightmare.
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  Speaker 1: While the banality of life supposedly goes on around them,
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  Speaker 1: which forces us to ask, How did we even get here?
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  Speaker 2: Right. We need to trace this back.
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  Speaker 1: We do. To answer that, we have to look at
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  Speaker 1: the timeline. We have to go back to March.
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  Speaker 2: Months earlier.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. According to the records, the incident actually happened on
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  Speaker 1: her husband's birthday.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, that's incredibly dark.
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  Speaker 1: It is. Shelly admitted to a history of drinking. She
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  Speaker 1: told police that on this birthday, she drank at least
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  Speaker 1: four alcohol shooters and then woke up the next morning
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  Speaker 1: to find him unresponsive.
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  Speaker 2: Hold on. Four shooters.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, four shooters. Those are those tiny single-serving bottles of
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  Speaker 1: liquor you get at the checkout counter.
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  Speaker 2: I know what they are, but if she has a
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  Speaker 2: documented history of heavy drinking, her tolerance should be massive.
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  Speaker 1: That's exactly what I thought. Four tiny bottles doesn't sound
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  Speaker 1: like nearly enough to induce a violent amnesiac blackout that
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  Speaker 1: leads to someone dying.
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  Speaker 2: Well, when dealing with profound chronic substance abuse, self-reporting is
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  Speaker 2: notoriously inaccurate.
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  Speaker 1: So she's lying about how much she drank.
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  Speaker 2: Maybe not intentionally lying. There is the immediate instinct to minimize,
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  Speaker 2: of course, like saying you had two beers when you
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  Speaker 2: really drank a 12-pack.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, sure. That's common.
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  Speaker 2: So four-shooters might literally be the only four she specifically
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  Speaker 2: remembers opening before the memory wipe occurred.
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  Speaker 1: That makes sense.
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  Speaker 2: But there is a biological reality to consider here as well.
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  Speaker 2: In late-stage alcoholism, a phenomenon known as tolerance inversion can occur.
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  Speaker 1: Tolerance inversion. meaning her liver is so damaged it just
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  Speaker 1: can't process the alcohol anymore.
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  Speaker 2: That is the core mechanism, yes. Over years of heavy abuse,
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  Speaker 2: liver function degrades severely.
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  Speaker 1: Right.
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  Speaker 2: A healthy liver metabolizes alcohol at a pretty predictable rate.
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  Speaker 2: But a damaged liver allows the alcohol to flood the bloodstream,
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  Speaker 2: and it crosses the blood-brain barrier much faster and in
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  Speaker 2: way higher concentrations.
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  Speaker 1: Wow. So the effect is multiplied.
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  Speaker 2: Exactly. Someone who used to drink a fifth of vodka
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  Speaker 2: just to feel a buzz might suddenly find themselves blacking
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  Speaker 2: out completely after a few small drinks.
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  Speaker 1: Because her neurological pathways are just heavily compromised.
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  Speaker 2: Exactly. Her body can't handle it anymore.
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  Speaker 1: But then she makes this admission that I just cannot
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  Speaker 1: stop thinking about.
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  Speaker 2: What did she say?
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  Speaker 1: She tells the police she thought she'd physically hurt him
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  Speaker 1: before while intoxicated. But she, quote, did not know for sure.
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  Speaker 2: Ah, yes. This points directly to the phenomenon of state-dependent memory.
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  Speaker 1: State-dependent memory.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's crucial for understanding her unreliability as a
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  Speaker 2: narrator here.
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  Speaker 1: Explain that for us. What is state-dependent memory?
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  Speaker 2: Well, state-dependent memory dictates that events experienced in a certain
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  Speaker 2: physiological state, like extreme intoxication, are often only retrievable when
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  Speaker 2: the brain is back in that same altered state.
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  Speaker 1: Wait, really?
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  Speaker 2: Yes, it's a documented psychological phenomenon.
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  Speaker 1: So it's like encrypting a file on your computer hard drive,
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  Speaker 1: but you only have access to the password when your
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  Speaker 1: brain's chemistry is altered by alcohol.
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  Speaker 2: That is a highly accurate way to visualize the mechanism, actually.
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  Speaker 1: So when you sober up, the file is still there,
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  Speaker 1: taking up space, creating this vague sense of anxiety. But
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  Speaker 1: you completely lack the key to open it and actually
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  Speaker 1: see what's inside the folder.
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  Speaker 2: Right. Physiologically, heavy alcohol consumption suppresses the hippocampus.
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  Speaker 1: And the hippocampus does what?
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  Speaker 2: That's the part of the brain responsible for converting short-term
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  Speaker 2: experiences into long-term memories.
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  Speaker 1: So the recording just stops.
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  Speaker 2: The recording device is simply turned off. She is acting, reacting,
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  Speaker 2: perhaps acting violently, but no memory is being written to
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  Speaker 2: the hard drive.
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  Speaker 1: That is terrifying.
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  Speaker 2: It is. When she sobers up, she is left with
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  Speaker 2: a terrifying void. She is living with the creeping existential
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  Speaker 2: realization that there is a version of herself who takes
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  Speaker 2: over when she drinks.
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  Speaker 1: Like a Jekyll and Hyde situation.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, and she has absolutely no control over or memory
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  Speaker 2: of what that version of herself is doing.
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  Speaker 1: To wake up to find your husband unresponsive on his birthday...
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  Speaker 1: And to suspect you caused it but have no memory
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  Speaker 1: of doing so, I mean, that is a nightmare.
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  Speaker 2: A literal nightmare.
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  Speaker 1: But if the story ended right there in March, we
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  Speaker 1: might be looking at involuntary manslaughter.
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  Speaker 2: Right, a terrible accident.
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  Speaker 1: We might be looking at extreme negligence or a tragic
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  Speaker 1: accident born of severe addiction. But the choices she makes next,
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  Speaker 1: they move this from a tragedy into calculated desecration.
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  Speaker 2: This is where the timeline gets really disturbing.
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  Speaker 1: Extremely. The records state she admitted to dismembering his body, quote,
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  Speaker 1: A few months after he died.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, a few months.
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  Speaker 1: A few months. And during this time, she told police
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  Speaker 1: she had been collecting her dead husband's social security checks.
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  Speaker 2: The timeline here completely fractures the whole tragic accident defense.
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  Speaker 1: Completely shatters it.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, living with a decomposing body for several months
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  Speaker 2: before attempting dismemberment, that indicates a prolonged, severe period of denial.
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  Speaker 1: How do you even do that? The smell alone.
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  Speaker 2: She was likely utilizing continued, massive alcohol consumption simply to
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  Speaker 2: numb the olfactory and psychological reality of what was sitting
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  Speaker 2: in that house.
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  Speaker 1: Think about the sheer cognitive load required to just exist
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  Speaker 1: in that space. To wake up, to make your morning coffee,
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  Speaker 1: knowing what is sitting mere feet away from you.
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  Speaker 2: It's unbearable, which is why the paralysis eventually gives way
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  Speaker 2: to a grotesque pragmatism.
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  Speaker 1: Meaning she eventually had to do something about it.
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  Speaker 2: Right. The physical reality of decomposition would eventually force her hand.
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  Speaker 2: The dismemberment wasn't an act of immediate panic.
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  Speaker 1: It was a chore.
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  Speaker 2: It was a desperate chore. Yes, undertaken because the denial
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  Speaker 2: could no longer physically hold.
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  Speaker 1: That is so grim.
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  Speaker 2: But the collection of the Social Security checks, that introduces
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  Speaker 2: a concrete, undeniable financial motive. And this completely shifts the
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  Speaker 2: legal landscape.
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  Speaker 1: This level of bureaucratic deception, like cashing the checks, hiding
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  Speaker 1: the body, It requires a terrifying level of lucidity.
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  Speaker 2: It really does.
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  Speaker 1: You have to actively check the mail or monitor the
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  Speaker 1: online bank account, knowing the person whose name is on
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  Speaker 1: that government money is currently rotting inside a plastic tote
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  Speaker 1: in your living room.
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  Speaker 2: Collecting those checks requires sustained monthly intent. It demonstrates a
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  Speaker 2: clear capacity for ongoing fraud against the federal government.
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  Speaker 1: You can't blame that on a blackout.
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  Speaker 2: No, you can't. Even if the initial death was shrouded
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  Speaker 2: in the fog of an alcoholic blackout, her subsequent actions
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  Speaker 2: were clear, deliberate, and financially motivated.
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  Speaker 1: She needed him alive on paper to pay the bills.
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  Speaker 2: She needed him alive on paper to maintain her income stream.
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  Speaker 2: This transition from passive denial to active fraud is a
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  Speaker 2: devastating sequence of choices.
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  Speaker 1: And, you know, this level of ongoing deception doesn't happen
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  Speaker 1: in a vacuum. They didn't live on a deserted island.
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  Speaker 2: No, they had neighbors, family.
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  Speaker 1: Right. It forces us to ask, How did the outside
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  Speaker 1: world miss this? And the heartbreaking truth revealed in these
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  Speaker 1: documents is they didn't miss it.
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  Speaker 2: They didn't miss it at all. No.
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  Speaker 1: The article notes that records show numerous calls to police
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  Speaker 1: from the husband's family members. Oh, wow. These calls spanned
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  Speaker 1: over the, quote, past couple of years, and they specifically
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  Speaker 1: allege that Wilson was abusive to him.
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  Speaker 2: That is just gut-wrenching.
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  Speaker 1: If there were numerous calls over multiple years from a
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  Speaker 1: family begging for intervention... Why was this man still left
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  Speaker 1: vulnerable in that house?
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  Speaker 2: The context provided by the family's prior calls is probably
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  Speaker 2: the most tragic element of this entire report because it
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  Speaker 2: highlights a profound systemic failure.
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  Speaker 1: It really does. The system just completely let him down.
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  Speaker 2: When we look at domestic violence intervention models, we have
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  Speaker 2: to acknowledge the historical and sociological biases built into the
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  Speaker 2: system itself.
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  Speaker 1: What kind of biases?
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  Speaker 2: Well, statistically, these intervention models, like the Duluth model, for example,
• 15:44
  Speaker 2: They were built around the paradigm of male perpetrators and
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  Speaker 2: female victims.
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  Speaker 1: Which obviously is a huge issue, but it means when
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  Speaker 1: the roles are reversed, the system just doesn't know how
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  Speaker 1: to compute the danger.
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  Speaker 2: Exactly that. Law enforcement utilizes threat assessment matrices to determine
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  Speaker 2: the immediate danger a victim is in.
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  Speaker 1: Like a checklist of risk factors.
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  Speaker 2: Yes. And these tools often factor in physical size, historical
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  Speaker 2: gender paradigms, and the likelihood of lethal physical overpowering.
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  Speaker 1: So a woman attacking a man doesn't score as high?
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  Speaker 2: Mathematically, no. A woman attacking an adult man often scores
• 16:20
  Speaker 2: lower on these danger assessment tools. The system simply lacks
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  Speaker 2: the calibrated urgency to recognize the true lethal danger a
• 16:28
  Speaker 2: male victim might be facing.
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  Speaker 1: The family knew, though. They knew exactly what was happening
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  Speaker 1: behind those closed doors. They tried to sound the alarm,
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  Speaker 1: and they ran straight into a wall of bureaucratic white noise.
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  Speaker 2: Let's examine how that white noise is generated, because it's important.
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  Speaker 1: Okay. Walk us through it.
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  Speaker 2: When a call is made to the police, it enters
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  Speaker 2: a computer-aided dispatch or CAD system.
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  Speaker 1: Right, the dispatch screen.
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  Speaker 2: A patrol officer is dispatched. But if the officer arrives
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  Speaker 2: and the victim, who may be deeply embarrassed or fearful
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  Speaker 2: of retaliation or just trapped in the psychological cycle of abuse,
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  Speaker 2: if that victim minimizes the situation or refuses to press charges,
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  Speaker 2: the officer's hands are often legally tied.
• 17:08
  Speaker 1: Because they can't just arrest someone without proof. Right.
• 17:10
  Speaker 2: They cannot make an arrest without evidence or a cooperating victim.
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  Speaker 2: So they clear the call, file a report, and leave.
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  Speaker 1: And then what happens when they call again the next week?
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  Speaker 2: Over years, as these calls repeat, the address gets flagged
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  Speaker 2: in the dispatch system not as a high-risk lethal threat,
• 17:27
  Speaker 2: but as a chronic nuisance.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, that is so depressing. It normalizes the dysfunction?
• 17:31
  Speaker 2: Exactly.
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  Speaker 1: The dispatchers and the officers start thinking, oh, it's just
• 17:34
  Speaker 1: another Friday night call to the Wilson residence. Same old story.
• 17:38
  Speaker 2: The system normalizes the dysfunction instead of disrupting it. The
• 17:42
  Speaker 2: system ultimately failed to intervene in any meaningful way before
• 17:45
  Speaker 2: that fatal March birthday.
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  Speaker 1: And the agonizing reality is that the family's worst fears
• 17:51
  Speaker 1: were completely validated. But the validation only came months after
• 17:55
  Speaker 1: he was dead and dismembered.
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  Speaker 2: It's just devastating.
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  Speaker 1: Which brings us right back to the interrogation room, the
• 18:01
  Speaker 1: confessions climax.
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  Speaker 2: Right, where it all comes out.
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  Speaker 1: This is the moment where all of these threads... The
• 18:06
  Speaker 1: blackout drinking, the years of suspected abuse, the gruesome financial cover-up,
• 18:10
  Speaker 1: they all come to a head in a single exchange.
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  Speaker 2: It's a pivotal moment.
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  Speaker 1: The detective asks her a direct question. Did she think
• 18:18
  Speaker 1: she killed him? And her reply is, I'm scared I
• 18:21
  Speaker 1: might have.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, from a psychological standpoint, that sentence is a
• 18:26
  Speaker 2: masterpiece of profound dissociation.
• 18:29
  Speaker 1: It's incredible phrasing. She doesn't deny it. She doesn't say,
• 18:32
  Speaker 1: I didn't do it. No. But she also doesn't confess.
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  Speaker 1: She doesn't say, I did it. I'm scared I might
• 18:37
  Speaker 1: have captures the absolute terror of realizing you are capable
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  Speaker 1: of doing something monstrous. But your brain has built a
• 18:43
  Speaker 1: literal firewall between your sober self and your intoxicated actions.
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  Speaker 2: It really does.
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  Speaker 1: You are looking at the evidence of a murder and
• 18:51
  Speaker 1: you have to assume the worst about your own character.
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  Speaker 2: It is an expression of true existential terror. But we
• 18:58
  Speaker 2: have to look at how that sentence functions legally because
• 19:01
  Speaker 2: it creates a massive, highly complex hurdle for the prosecution.
• 19:05
  Speaker 1: Yeah, let's get into the legal side of this.
• 19:07
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: As a result of this interview and the discovery at
• 19:10
  Speaker 1: the house, she is facing charges of both evidence tampering
• 19:13
  Speaker 1: and murder.
• 19:14
  Speaker 2: Right. And those are two very different mountains to climb.
• 19:16
  Speaker 1: Well, the evidence tampering is a lock. They have the
• 19:19
  Speaker 1: physical totes, the duct tape, her own admission to the
• 19:22
  Speaker 1: logistics of cutting him up and hiding him.
• 19:24
  Speaker 2: The tampering charge is rock solid. They'll get a conviction
• 19:27
  Speaker 2: on that easily. But proving murder is a completely different
• 19:30
  Speaker 2: legal beast.
• 19:31
  Speaker 1: Why is it so much harder?
• 19:33
  Speaker 2: To secure a murder conviction... A prosecutor must prove mens rea.
• 19:38
  Speaker 1: Mens rea, which means?
• 19:40
  Speaker 2: It means a guilty state of mind. They must prove intent,
• 19:43
  Speaker 2: or at the very least, a depraved heart and extreme recklessness.
• 19:47
  Speaker 1: Ah, I see.
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  Speaker 2: So how does a prosecutor... prove intent based on the
• 19:51
  Speaker 2: confession of someone who was in a medically verifiable blackout
• 19:55
  Speaker 2: and states on the official record that she has no
• 19:58
  Speaker 2: memory of the event?
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  Speaker 1: Right. Because a defense attorney is just going to walk
• 20:01
  Speaker 1: in that courtroom and say, ladies and gentlemen of the jury,
• 20:04
  Speaker 1: she didn't confess to murder. She confessed to being terrified.
• 20:07
  Speaker 1: She might have been involved in a tragic drunken accident.
• 20:10
  Speaker 2: That is exactly the defense strategy. That is exactly what
• 20:13
  Speaker 2: they will do.
• 20:13
  Speaker 1: They'll just lean on the blackout.
• 20:15
  Speaker 2: Without her specific memory of the event and given the
• 20:18
  Speaker 2: advanced state of decomposition of the body, which, by the way,
• 20:23
  Speaker 2: might make determining a precise medical cause of death impossible
• 20:26
  Speaker 2: for the coroner.
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: Oh, true. If they can't tell how he died.
• 20:29
  Speaker 2: Right. The prosecution will struggle to prove beyond a reasonable
• 20:33
  Speaker 2: doubt that she intentionally killed him. The defense will argue
• 20:36
  Speaker 2: he could have fallen and hit his head.
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: Or choked on something.
• 20:40
  Speaker 2: He could have suffered a sudden medical emergency while she
• 20:43
  Speaker 2: was passed out.
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: Which means she could potentially beat the murder charge.
• 20:48
  Speaker 2: This is where we tie it all back to those
• 20:50
  Speaker 2: ignored family calls.
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: Oh, the dispatch logs? Yes.
• 20:54
  Speaker 2: The very red flags the system ignored suddenly become the
• 20:57
  Speaker 2: most vital, indispensable pieces of evidence the prosecution possesses.
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: Because it proves a pattern.
• 21:02
  Speaker 2: Exactly. The history of abuse documented over years by those
• 21:07
  Speaker 2: CAD dispatch logs and family complaints might be the only
• 21:11
  Speaker 2: key to proving the murder charge.
• 21:13
  Speaker 1: So the very calls that the system ignored to save
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: his life are now the only tools the system has
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: to get justice for his death.
• 21:20
  Speaker 2: It is a bitter, tragic irony. Those logs establish a
• 21:24
  Speaker 2: pattern of behavior. They establish that her violence toward him
• 21:27
  Speaker 2: was a known recurring factor, not an isolated freak accident.
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: And her saying she thought she heard him before backs
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: that up.
• 21:35
  Speaker 2: Exactly. Her on admission to the detective that she thought
• 21:39
  Speaker 2: she had heard him before while intoxicated directly corroborates the
• 21:42
  Speaker 2: family's longstanding claims. Wow. The entire legal battle will be
• 21:46
  Speaker 2: fought over bridging the gap between a blackout maybe and
• 21:49
  Speaker 2: a legally definable guilty case. And it will all hinge
• 21:53
  Speaker 2: on the documented context of their abusive history.
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: We have been on quite an intense journey during this
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: deep dive.
• 21:58
  Speaker 2: We really have. It's a lot to process.
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: We started with that quiet, unassuming Saturday afternoon at a
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: police station. A mother and daughter walking in to deliver
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: a vague, terrifying warning.
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  Speaker 2: Fixing to find out. Yeah.
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: We unpacked how that surrender unschooled into the revelation of
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: a months-long cover-up fueled by severe alcoholism. the mechanics of
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: tolerance inversion, and state-dependent memory.
• 22:25
  Speaker 2: We covered a lot of ground.
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: We looked at the gruesome reality of the house. The
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: mundane plastic totes bought at a big box store, hiding
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: a literal nightmare.
• 22:35
  Speaker 2: And the duct tape.
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: The duct tape that only made it halfway before the
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: psychological and physical toll became just too much to bear. Right.
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: We examined the chilling gap of several months, where denial
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: shifted into deliberate, calculated Social Security fraud.
• 22:48
  Speaker 2: Cashing those checks while the body was in the living room.
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: And we confronted the agonizing reality of the systemic failure
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: that allowed a male victim to fall through the cracks
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: of a threat assessment model that just wasn't built to
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: see him.
• 22:59
  Speaker 2: It is a profound case study in the destructive radius
• 23:02
  Speaker 2: of addiction and domestic abuse.
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: It really is.
• 23:05
  Speaker 2: But, you know, I want to leave you, the listener,
• 23:07
  Speaker 2: with a final thought to ponder, something that extends far
• 23:10
  Speaker 2: beyond the immediate facts of this specific arrest report.
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: What's that?
• 23:15
  Speaker 2: The most terrifying aspect of this story isn't the physical
• 23:17
  Speaker 2: violence itself. It is the realization of how easily profound
• 23:21
  Speaker 2: horror can sit quietly in a seemingly normal suburban home.
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: That is chilling.
• 23:27
  Speaker 2: For months, the grass outside that house was likely mowed.
• 23:30
  Speaker 2: The mail carrier delivered the mail. The neighbors backed out
• 23:33
  Speaker 2: of their driveways and went about their days.
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: Life just went on.
• 23:36
  Speaker 2: The banality of everyday life, like the arrival of a
• 23:39
  Speaker 2: monthly government check, just kept taking along, providing a perfectly
• 23:42
  Speaker 2: normal bureaucratic mask for the absolute nightmare rotting in the
• 23:45
  Speaker 2: living room.
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: It forces us to confront how easily extreme human darkness
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: can camouflage itself right in the mundane.
• 23:53
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: We rely so heavily on the expectation that things are
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: as they appear, you know, that a quiet house on
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: a quiet street is a safe house.
• 24:01
  Speaker 2: But you never really know.
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: You never do. Thank you for joining us on this
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: deep dive. It is a heavy one, but understanding the
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: mechanisms behind these murky waters is just so important. Absolutely.
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: Until next time, I encourage you to look a little
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: closer at the world around you. Think about the sheer
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: volume of secrets hidden behind closed doors, because sometimes the
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: most horrific truths are just waiting in a plastic tote
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: right on the other side of a mundane Saturday afternoon.