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Dr. Turley Reveals The TRUTH About Michael Saylor's $100T ENDGAME!! · Simply Bitcoin

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Why do you think Michael Saylor is talking about $100 trillion
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valuation for Bitcoin? It's because it can scale up
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like no other commodity that's limited to time and space.
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This is our Constantine moment. For about 3 centuries,
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Christians were radically persecuted.
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And what was the result? What happened?
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They grew astronomically. They, for lack of a better term,
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weathered the storm. And when you can weather the
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storm, that means that you have something that is the basis for
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social and civilizational flourishing.
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When Constantine saw that, he said that's what I want my
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empire to be. I want my empire to flourish and
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grow. That is what Bitcoin has been
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able to do over the last eight years.
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We weathered that storm, and we grew.
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It's not that banks want to make the wire system so bad.
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It's that essentially, banks have become this third armed
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enforcement on behalf of the state.
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They become masters at promising that you are most free when they
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are most in control. Bitcoin is a new technology, but
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we're going back in a way. Right.
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The. Big lie that we were sold for so
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long was the notion that. Welcome to another episode of
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Simply Bitcoin IRL. Today I have the honor of having
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Doctor Steve Turley joining me on Simply Bitcoin.
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Doctor Turley and I actually met each other at the Bitcoin
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conference in Las Vegas, and I've been watching Doctor Turley
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for many, many, many years now. So it's pretty surreal seeing
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him in person. And my first question to you,
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Doctor Turley, is what brought you to a Bitcoin conference in
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the 1st place? Because for anyone who doesn't
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know, for our audience, which is mostly Bitcoiners, right, Doctor
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Turley's extremely popular and well followed a YouTube.
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He has a, he has a, a channel, Doctor Steve Turley, you can
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follow it. I love his content.
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It's fantastic content watching from years, like I said, and it
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was again, pretty surreal, you know, watching you, Doctor
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Turley, come into my hemisphere, so to speak.
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What attracted you to go to a Bitcoin conference?
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It's a great question. It's wonderful to be with you,
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Nico. I love hanging out with
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Bitcoiners, crypto enthusiasts in general, but particularly
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Bitcoiners because I think you're one of the, you're one of
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the few demographics as a word that actually recognizes what's
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happening in the world. The vast majority of Bitcoiners
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I talked to recognize we're, we're entering into, and you and
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I talked about this in Vegas. We're entering into really a, a
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new black better term, a new age, a, a new civilizational
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moment in our human history. And we're right at the cusp of
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it's one of the reasons why things are so crazy right now.
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Theorists refer to it as post normal times when 11 epoch, as
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it were, comes to an end and a new epoch begins to rise.
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What was normal over the last, say, 100 years isn't normal
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anymore. It's it's not setting the rules.
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The, the, the, the old standards sort of dissipate as it were,
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but yet new standards have yet to really establish themselves.
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So we're in this post normal period, We're in this interim
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period that just doesn't make a lot of sense.
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And that's why things seem so chaotic and contradictory and
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complex and crazy and the and, and the light.
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But you guys get this. You see, we are in a transitory
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period, moving into a new era, a digital era, a cyberspace era
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that's opening up possibilities the likes of which we've never
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even imagined. I mean, talk about the, the
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ability, just just the ability to scale in, I think you and I
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were talking about this actually in Vegas, just the ability to
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scale in this new era is stunning.
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I, I, I often share the example. I don't have my cell phone on me
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now, but I often share the example.
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I used to work at Peabody Conservatory Library in
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Baltimore, which is beautiful. I recommend anyone to go and see
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if you could survive Baltimore without getting shot.
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You will love this library, I promise.
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But it has, it's called the Cathedral Books.
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When I was a student there, that was my part time job and it has
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300,000 books. It's absolutely beautiful, but
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the building is massive and it's gorgeous and it's glorious.
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I'm glad we have it. But do you know how many books
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we have access to on our phones right now?
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Right, over 100 million and it and it's soon going to be a
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billion. Cyberspace doesn't care because
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you can, you can, you can infinitely, as it were, scale
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up. Well, that's why do you think
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Michael Saylor is talking about $100 trillion valuation for
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Bitcoin? It's because it can scale up
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like no other commodity that's limited to time and space can.
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And so you guys get, you understand, we're on the cutting
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edge of a new era of, of literally new epoch of human
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development and, and 99% of people don't quite get that yet.
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They'll get there, they'll get there, but you're on the cutting
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edge of it. And So what I've been doing over
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the last eight years of my channel is analyzing how
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politics particularly is changing in relation to this new
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epoch. And ironically, it's it's
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getting more traditionalist. So again, I think you and I
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talked about that we are entering into sort of an archaeo
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future world where our ridiculously advanced technology
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is actually now engaged in a rapprochement with traditions.
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And so tradition and technology, literally religion and science
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are coming together in new ways that just haven't been the case,
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say, over the last 100 years in modernity and the second
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industrial revolution and globalism and, and the like.
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So I love talking to Bitcoiners because they understand that
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we're on the cusp of a new era. And what I love to do is just
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kind of bring in some of my own frames of reference to confirm
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for them that they're right. You're absolutely on to it.
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The future is yours, no question, and and so my I just I
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just get so excited talking because you guys inspire me the
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way you're sort of techno optimism that that helps fuel my
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paradigm of understanding the shift between an old
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industrialized dying order in this new rising cyber order
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that's happening. You got me very very excited
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with that as well. So I've I assure you the the the
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inspiration is mutual. And and Doctor Turley, you know,
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it it to me that the phenomenon has been fascinating because,
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you know, again, I feel like Bitcoiners were were out of the
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Overton window, so to speak. We were kind of like outside of
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everything that was happening, kind of like in the mainstream
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political conversation. And it was really until the
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previous administration where our industry was attacked, you
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know, from 20 different directions that essentially it
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galvanized us. It forced us to throw our hat in
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the ring. And if you're not in the room,
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you're not in the deal. And now all of a sudden,
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Bitcoiners are in the room in DC right now.
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When we we now have influence, you have the Trump
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administration basically saying, listen, we want to make the
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United States a Bitcoin capital of the world.
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We didn't really care about, you know, or or better said, I
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cared. But most Bitcoiners, most of my
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most of my followers, most of my subscribers, they didn't care
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about politics. In fact, when we started talking
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about it, when I said, guys, I don't think you understand, we
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need to vote for Trump or RFK Junior because if we don't,
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things are gonna get really bad and we are getting pushback from
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our audience. Now, you know, we can say,
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listen, we got Ross free the strategic Bitcoin reserve
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operation show .2 point O David Sachs.
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David Sachs. So like, you know, it's like,
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yeah, it, it was important. But I, you know, one of the
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things that I appreciate you about you, Doctor Turley, is you
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were making content through some very dark times and in American
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political history. And this was, you know, between
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the era of 2016 to 2024. Like I've never seen, I've never
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witnessed that in my life, right?
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And one of the things that you mentioned when you were talking
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earlier is you're talking about the concept of hope.
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And this is something that Bitcoiners understand
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fundamentally. You know, Michael Saylor has the
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website hope.com, right? Very famously, but I think and
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this is what where, you know, perhaps conservatives have not
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woken up to this reality yet. Fiat money essentially has
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stolen the time, energy and work of every single American that
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has been saving and earning in Fiat, which is the majority of
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the population, the lower in the middle class that don't have the
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means to save in assets. And that's the reason they can't
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get ahead. And this is something that
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Bitcoiners inherently understand.
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And going back to one of the points that you were saying
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earlier, Doctor Turley, I completely agree.
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What we're witnessing right now is the great distance
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remediation. The Internet has empowered
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people like yourself, has empowered people like us to
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essentially go around the gatekeepers of information and
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talk to the audience directly. And I think that's why you saw
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the rise of your channel it, it became so popular because people
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were looking at the TV and they're like, what's happening
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on TV is not what I'm experiencing.
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And you know, and I remember tuning into your channels like
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he is on the dot. He's he's actually describing
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exactly what's happening right now.
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I'm getting my information from social media now.
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I'm no longer getting my information from the legacy
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media, which you and I both know.
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Approved to talking points from the legacy.
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Exactly correct. And then what I think is going
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to happen next is the disintermediation of money,
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which is extremely exciting, you know.
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But anyways, I want to get your take on that because these last
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10 years, nine years have been turbulent to say least.
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But I think you and I both agree that what's on the other side is
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freedom and prosperity, the likes of which human
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civilization has never experienced before.
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That's right. Oh, well, so well said, Nico.
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So again, because you're you're tapping into this unprecedented
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scaling capacities that we have, we're again, sailors talking
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about literally everybody can be wealthy now.
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We're literally at the cusp of something akin to that.
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And you just, you described it so beautifully.
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Yeah. There's so much there.
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I would say this is for the, for, for historical and
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theological buffs. This is our Constantine moment.
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So, so if you follow a Christian history, the, the first period
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of the church, the first couple of centuries were pretty dark.
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It was, it was hard. I mean, the, the, the martyrdom,
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the persecutions, the jailings, they were, they were very, very
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difficult. Augustine writes about the
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difficulty of Christians getting jobs, for example, teaching
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rhetoric and so forth. Because because in the Greco
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Roman world, the, the powers that be, we're concerned about
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the ideas that they would be spreading through their, that
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they were counter to the Pagan structure of, of the empire.
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And so for about 3 centuries, Christians were radically
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persecuted. And what was the result?
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What happened? They grew as astronomically they
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they, for lack of a better term, weathered the storm.
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And when you can weather the storm, that means that you have
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something that is the basis for social and civilizational
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flourishing. And so when Constantine saw
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that, was it 311 AD or so? When Constantine saw that, he
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said, that's what I want my empire to be.
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I want my empire to flourish and grow the way this movement has
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been flourishing and growing. That is what Bitcoin has been
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able to do over the last eight years.
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We weathered that storm and we grew.
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I got in. When did I get in 20?
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I'm a couple of I know 2019, 20/17/2019 seem to be like the
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two key years whenever I talk to Bitcoiners.
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I got in I think around 2021 and largely because of the storm.
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I said I got it. I got a I got to be faithful to
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what I'm preaching here with a parallel economy.
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I got to detach myself, decouple myself as much as possible from
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the old Liberal, increasingly tyrannical institutions.
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And when I especially after I saw what happened to the Freedom
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Convoy in Ottawa and the way they were getting debanked, I
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mean, just truckers let this hit you.
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Truckers were getting debanked because they were radicalist,
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they were terrorists and all this sort of nonsense.
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I mean, Nigel Farage was at the conference in Vegas and he
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talked about his experience of being debanked.
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And that's how that's what woke him up to sort of this defy,
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this larger defy world of which Bitcoin is the giant.
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So I think I think what we did is we doubled down on the
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parallel economy concept that we are the true economy, we are the
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true politics, our community, we are the true keepers of
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civilization. And while while Rome continues
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to want to double down on its absurdities and its it's falling
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apart right in civilization way right in front of our very eyes,
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we're not going to be part of that.
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We're not going to be part of that implosion.
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We're going to build society. We're going to and how do you
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build society? What do you need ultimately,
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foundationally, probably I should say, you need money.
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You need some kind of capital to work with.
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If you don't have capital, you're only going to get, you
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know, you're hunter gatherers, basically.
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We're all said and done. And I know we have technomads
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though, but but no, you're if we don't want to be just hunter
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gatherers, if we want to really build society and it's going to
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have to be rooted in a form of finance that is not dependent on
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the institutionally controlled banking system and the Fed and
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so forth. That is being that was being
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used to punish, let's just be blunt, patriots who just love
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faith, family and freedom. And so we, we decoupled
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ourselves from that system as much as we could.
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Everyone's at their different stages with that levels and
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comfort, comfort and so on. And we, we didn't just weather
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the storm, we thrived. We thrive.
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I mean, just look at, just compare Coinbase to when it
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first started. What, how old is Coinbase now?
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678 years old, forget when it went public and all, but
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compare. I mean, just look at all the
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tokens that are on that. I mean, I know I, I don't look
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at 99% of them, but I mean, just crypto has just taken on a life
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of its own and it's international and it's 24/7 and
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it could care. Dude.
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I, I was told by a colleague of mine, hey, there's an ETF you
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want to invest in. It's really good.
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And I'm like, oh, OK, all right, fine.
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So I go to my what, to my Vanguard account and I see I
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don't have any money in the what do you, what do you call it?
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You know, in the money market section, wherever you draw your
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money from to buy an ETF or whatever.
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So it's all right. Well, I got to wire some money
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from my bank account. So I did.
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And I, I clicked to wire the money.
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This, I kid you not, this happened last Tuesday.
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I clicked to wire the money and then all of a sudden there's a
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message that says all wire transfers require, I kid you
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not, a seven day delay before you can use it, a seven day
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confirmation. I still can't buy that ETF as we
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speak. I'm still waiting for the wire
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transfer to clear. Now that's prehistoric at this
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point when it comes to finance. I mean, I've been involved so
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much with crypto. I couldn't even, I couldn't even
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wrap my mind around the message of like, what are you even
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talking about? And that's what I've we, we have
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created the system that is totally independent of that kind
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of institutional nonsense, that kind of institutional
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gatekeeping. And so I've been literally like
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you just said, I mean, we, we have a, a system of finance now
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that can bypass the old industrial banking system the
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way e-mail and texting bypass the post office.
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Think about how you communicate. Think about 99% of your
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communication has nothing to do with the landline and got
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nothing to do with the post office.
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Nothing. That's what finance is going to
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be. Yeah, absolutely.
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And, and, and so much to unpack there to specifically Trucker's
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convoy. A lot of those guys were friends
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of mine. They were experiencing it.
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I remember it vividly. One of the main figureheads, we
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were actually doing his show at the time.
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He's a very well known Bitcoiner in Canada.
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And you know, they went to his house, right?
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And, you know, it, it the double standard between, you know, how
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they treat certain political ideologies and other political
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ideology. It, it, it's, it's a little bit,
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you know, it's, it's glaring, right?
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To say it's glaring and everybody sees it.
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Yeah. And another thing I'll say to
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Doctor Turley is, you know, specifically this last century,
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because you obviously you go down this rabbit hole as a
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Bitcoin, as a bitcoiner, and you really see when the Federal
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Reserve was established, it was established during the
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Progressive Era, right? Right.
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And then what led what let, what, what came after, right.
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You have the famous Ron Paul. Quote which is it's not a
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coincidence that the century of central banking is the bloodiest
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century in human history. You have the two world wars,
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there's a Great Recession, the Great Depression and also I
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would say central banking is a, a, a great catalyst towards
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wealth inequality. And you know that, that's
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something that I, I think, you know, perhaps conservatives miss
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they, they don't under they, they, I think they forget, you
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know, the, the, the benefits of sound money.
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I think, you know, gold's does serve that.
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I think I'm a, I'm a big fan of physical gold, not paper gold,
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but physical gold. I think it does serve that.
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I think bitcoins obvious, I think bitcoins a little bit
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better 'cause it has absolute scarcity and its physical
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characteristics allow, allow for you for it to take, for you to
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take self custody, for you to send it.
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But I think it also gives it also gives voices that are under
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attack by the current system the ability to, as you say, opt out
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and operate in a parallel economy where they don't have to
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deal with middle men, they don't have to deal with
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intermediaries, they don't have to deal with gatekeepers.
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Because it's not that banks want to make the wire system so bad.
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It's that essentially banks have become this third, third armed
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enforcement on behalf of the state.
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And you know, they have all these KYC laws, all these AML
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laws. And, you know, when everything's
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fine and dandy with them, there isn't any chaos.
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It's like, OK, that's not a problem.
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But when things start to get politicized, those same tools
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get weaponized towards certain political groups.
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And I think that's what we saw over the last nine years,
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including the current president, like he was even a victim of the
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DE banking himself. So what what I'm seeing and and
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Doctor Turley, you're in the forefront of this.
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You're in the vanguard of this is where do you think the
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conservative movement is right now in terms of understanding
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sound money, understanding the benefits of sound money,
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understanding the benefits of being able to take custody of
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your wealth, understanding the scam that is the Federal Reserve
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that has allowed unchecked spending by the federal
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government, which continues to allow it to grow and grow and
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grow and grow. You, you always hear this in
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circles, this talk about the deep state.
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It's not the deep state, it's the administrative state.
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It's not a conspiracy theory. It just comes down to this.
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It's an unelected bureaucracy that remains in power regardless
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of who gets elected into office. What funds that?
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The federal. Reserve the US government spends
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$2 trillion every single year more than it collects in tax
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revenue. How does it how are they paying
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for that? They, they print the difference
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at your expense, right? Exactly, exactly where where do
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they where, where does the conservative movement in the, in
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the US kind of where, where do they stand?
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Where would they see this? Are they aware, Do they
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understand that sound money exists?
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Do they understand that sound money could potentially be a
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solution to a lot of the problems that they're
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experiencing today? I think it's still everything
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you described. I think it's still relatively
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peripheral on the conservative side of things.
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It's certainly better than where it was post Ron Paul.
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He, he did a great job being an evangelist for this,
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particularly in, in 2012 and his run for a couple of runs for,
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for president and his writing of the, you know, and the Fed and
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so forth. I mean, a lot of people are
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getting to know the date 1913. I mean, it is starting to the,
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the, I mean the Bitcoin rhetoric, as it were, and it's
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frames of reference are starting to permeate.
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I'm noticing that. So I chatted, I was on a family
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vacation last week around Lake George area in upstate New York.
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We do it every week. My extended family, my mom, my
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uncle and my aunt and so on. And, and they're from California
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and he's very conservative, you know, and he would, he just
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like, I'll ask him like when I see him later on the day.
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Oh, what'd you do today? Oh, I had to get my fox fix.
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You know, he's that kind of guy or, you know, he's around 80
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years old and so forth. Now, generally speaking, you
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would think that he's, you know, he's he's the post World War Two
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baby boomer demographic. So, you know, all we need to do
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is just kind of, you know, get close to some balanced budgets
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and, and fiscal responsibility and we're good to go.
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And even he was starting to question things like the Fed and
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the wisdom of the Scott Bassett was doing this over over the
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weekend. You know, that we do need to
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audit the Fed. We do need to look at whether or
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not it's still serves its purpose or it's no longer fit
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for purpose of whatever that purpose was.
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And so I'm seeing it I'm and that inevitably happens again,
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if this is our Constantine moment, inevitably the empire is
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going to shift away from Pagan frames of reference to more
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Christianized frames of reference.
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If we really are moving into this decentralized sort of
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cybernetic world of finance, inevitably our financial
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literacy and vocabulary is going to shift along with it just
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organically. It's just going to, it's just
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going to inevitably have especially when more and more
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portfolios are putting, what are they putting now 5 percent, 10%
25:56
in the into a Bitcoin. If you're in BlackRock or
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something. And then these big, you know,
26:02
investment firms, yeah, you've got probably a good 3 to 5% of
26:06
your portfolio and you you may not even know it.
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So inevitably it just seems like it becomes a lingua franca and
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it just kind of it, it works its way in conceptually as well as,
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as well as verbally into into our conception.
26:24
But I, you know, I hate to say it, but right now I still think
26:28
we're on the cutting edge of it. It's not that big right now.
26:32
And but it but just the growth just in the last four years has
26:39
been and you know, this I'm I'm preaching to the choir.
26:41
Here's it's just been so astonishing and we're just
26:45
getting started and now with kind of the evangelist like
26:48
Sailor and sort of getting on Fox Business and, or in Fox News
26:53
and even sitting down talking with Jordan Peterson.
26:56
They had a very, very good interview podcast interview hour
27:00
and a half or so. It's just, it's becoming, it's,
27:05
it's becoming the IT, it's making its way into the
27:08
nomenclature. Now.
27:09
Of course you're going to have your holdouts.
27:11
It's not money. It's not real money, you know,
27:13
and you know, if I, if I can't lift it, it doesn't, you know,
27:16
the kind of the, the, the Peter Schiff sort of crowd.
27:20
Although Peter, I think Peter is at least very thoughtful in
27:23
terms of his dismissals. But you're still going to have
27:27
that. But you know, you still have the
27:31
Luddites that don't use e-mail, don't use a computer.
27:35
They're there. But eventually they just sort of
27:37
phase out. But until I don't know, I
27:39
couldn't give a percentage, but the the numbers that are coming
27:44
to the Bitcoin conference are astonishing.
27:47
What were they 30,000 when we were in Vegas?
27:49
That's unbelievable. That's incredible.
27:52
I've been in a number of conferences.
27:53
I've never seen a conference with that kind of attendance.
27:58
So now I'm not saying they're all obviously Republicans or
28:01
conservatives, but you know, good majority and they're
28:04
certainly inclined that way. And they're sort of they're, I
28:07
think they are drawing the party faithful in that direction
28:13
inevitably. And as soon as they start
28:15
getting over the mystery and the, the, the techno Babble that
28:21
often is so associated with crypto.
28:25
I, I just think it's when they start getting familiar with it
28:30
using a Coinbase app, realizing, wow, it really is as simple as
28:35
it could possibly be, far simpler than wiring money from
28:38
my bank to my to my investment. Yeah, it's, it's inevitable.
28:44
It's going to happen. But I we're we're still at the
28:47
early stages. Yeah.
28:48
And, and I'm very glad that you that you gave that you gave us
28:52
that perspective because, you know, we are in a bit of an echo
28:55
chamber as Bitcoiners. And, you know, but like I said,
29:00
when I, when I saw yourself and I think I believe I saw Michael
29:04
Knowles at the 2023 or 2024 conference and like, oh, wow.
29:10
And then you have the rumble. The rumble, fellas, I.
29:13
Saw that they had their own. Booth there.
29:15
Yeah. So it's like slowly kind of
29:17
permeating. And I, I had the honor of being
29:19
able to interview Senator Lummis in DC in January.
29:24
And one of the things I'm noticing Dr. Turley, and again,
29:28
this is a little bit outside of the Overton window.
29:30
And I try to be as inclusive as possible in my wording and my
29:33
language. But there's been a couple bills
29:37
that have passed in the House. And the way that I see the
29:43
future is we have a future of peace, prosperity, opportunity
29:47
and hope, which is a, a future of this intermediation Bitcoin.
29:53
And then we have a future of nihilism, poverty, despair.
29:56
And that's the, the continuation of Fiat, which the next
30:00
evolution is central bank digital currencies.
30:03
Now, here's the thing, what I'm seeing, because a lot everyone's
30:07
calling for bipartisanship and as me, me included, but
30:11
simultaneously what the message that I give to my audience is
30:16
vote for pro Bitcoin, anti CBDC candidates.
30:19
That's what I always say. If you look at one of the latest
30:23
votes in the House, that was specifically an anti CBDC bill,
30:28
right, that would prohibit the federal government from
30:31
launching a central bank digital currency.
30:33
That was voted on simultaneously with the Genius Act and the
30:37
Clarity Act. It was literally split across
30:41
party lines. It was Republicans voted for the
30:45
bill that would prohibit CBDCS and Democrats voted against the
30:49
bill that would allow for central bank digital currencies.
30:54
So as a bitcoiner, I'm saying, look, it's Bitcoin over party.
30:59
Vote for pro Bitcoin candidates, vote for anti CBDC candidates.
31:04
But the trend is there. You can see it.
31:07
It's very obvious to me, right? I don't think the Overton window
31:11
has shifted enough for me to make a complete conclusion
31:15
saying like, listen, guys, you, you, you just you got to vote a
31:18
certain direction. But this has been a bill that
31:22
has been voted on twice and twice you've gotten the same
31:25
results post election because the previous election wasn't
31:29
very kind to the previous party in power.
31:33
Right. And it seems like they haven't
31:34
changed their stance. The Elizabeth Warren camp has
31:38
not changed their stance on Bitcoin.
31:41
They see it as a a a very present danger to the central
31:49
banking system itself and. Their power.
31:53
And you can make that the argument that if you see, and
31:56
I'm sure you've seen this, Doctor Turley Trump and Jerome
31:59
Powell have been going at it for the last couple of months.
32:03
They're they're now pressing charges again, well,
32:06
recommending that charges get pressed for for perjury before
32:09
the Senate Banking Committee. But in other words, they want to
32:13
get rid of them. They're that they're doing
32:14
everything they can to get even all the rhetoric, I think over
32:17
the weekend from Scott Basson. Yeah, maybe we do have to look
32:20
at whether or not we need a fed or not.
32:23
That's all pressure to get rid of Jerome, man.
32:26
They have not been acting independent.
32:28
They have not been acting the new, they have not been acting
32:31
neutral, and they have not been acting in an independent manner.
32:34
They've been acting as a politically motivated
32:36
institution. And if they're a politically
32:38
motivated institution, should they have the protections that
32:41
the Federal Reserve has? Right, exactly.
32:43
So these are like really, really important questions.
32:46
I want to get your thoughts on that before we talk about your
32:49
book because you did recently release a book.
32:53
It's available on Amazon right now.
32:55
It's number one in comparative politics right now.
33:00
It's called America Awakened, the collapse of globalism, the
33:03
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33:05
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33:52
So Doctor Charlie, you have some comments in regards to the
33:56
Federal Reserve. What I was just saying before we
33:59
pivot the conversation to your new book.
34:02
Yeah. No, I think you again, you set
34:04
it up. I think you set it up
34:06
brilliantly. I mean, so technology is a 2
34:08
headed monster that's there's no way around that.
34:11
I think we all know that it can be an incredible dynamic for
34:15
freedom, and that's what we're seeing with I write about it in
34:18
the book. There's a chapter on techno
34:20
populism and certainly Bitcoin is at the heart of that just as
34:26
well as the Internet as a whole, that the network society, which
34:30
basically democratizes information away from
34:34
monopolized institutions like the legacy media that once did
34:38
have a privileged access to information that we did not
34:41
have. So if we wanted to be Privy to
34:44
that information, we had to avail ourselves of these legacy
34:48
media institutions. Those days are gone.
34:52
We have ever we have the same access to the same information
34:56
that anybody at CNN has and therefore we get to Fact Check
34:59
them right. We we get to say, wait a minute,
35:02
what just exactly how you started this conversation with,
35:05
you know, I'm, I'm looking at what the legacy media is telling
35:08
me and it's, that's not what's going on.
35:10
Then I go to these independent content creators go, yeah,
35:12
that's it. And then and that transparency
35:15
and even the just the personal relationship that that develops
35:19
becomes a a means of not just information enrichment, but also
35:26
relational enrichment as well in our lives.
35:30
And we need it all as opposed to this very sterile, removed
35:35
lecturing posture of the legacy media.
35:39
So technology and the network society has freed us from the
35:43
legacy media. It's freed us from the post
35:45
office and it's freeing us increasingly from the Federal
35:48
Reserve banking system. And so it's, it's so freedom
35:53
becomes a very key term for this, this, this conception
35:58
technology. But what is technology
36:01
fundamentally about? It is fundamentally about
36:04
control. That's what technology does.
36:07
It controls, right? I turn on a light switch, that
36:10
tech controls the ambience around me, what whatever it is,
36:14
or I put the thermostat on that technology controls, the
36:18
temperature technology controls. That's what it does.
36:21
That's what enables us to realize so much freedom.
36:25
But when you get technocrats in our political system, then they
36:31
use the technology to further their control.
36:34
They they want, they see themselves as the expert class.
36:39
That alone has the competency to to rightly manage the
36:44
technology. So then technology can also give
36:48
birth to almost like a slave mentality that we are supposed
36:53
to quote, trust the experts no matter what they say.
36:56
And that boy, have anything we've seen over the last four or
37:00
five years, We saw that on steroids for sure.
37:04
And so it could go in either direction.
37:06
So that's why I, we talked about this in Vegas, right.
37:08
When you said that I went, oh, man, I remember you brought up
37:11
that point. Yeah.
37:12
It's either, you know, it's either techno populism or CBDC.
37:17
So it's, it's one way or the other, you're going to go,
37:19
you're either going to go the way of techno freedom or you're
37:22
going to go the way of tyranny. It's one or the other.
37:25
I think. I think you're absolutely right.
37:27
And by God's grace, I do think we are thankfully moving in the,
37:31
the techno libertas direction more and more.
37:36
Cuz I just people saw what happened over the last four to
37:41
five years and they were, they're increasingly shocked by
37:44
it and they're increasingly horrified by it.
37:45
And they don't want to have anything to do with that
37:47
anymore. And then when they realize that
37:49
technology is a means that frees them from the confines of the
37:54
legacy media or the post office or the banking industry and so
37:57
forth. I think that once once the genie
38:00
is out of the bottle, that's very hard to try to convince
38:02
them to push back. Again, your message of
38:08
prosperity for all resonates so beautifully.
38:12
But again, it's a cutting edge new thing.
38:15
Where is not to be a too political here, ma'am, Donnie in
38:19
New York is going the old 19th century Marxist route.
38:23
He's going the old industrial route saying I can bring
38:25
prosperity to all. Just make sure you give all
38:28
control to me. And then you know, and that's,
38:31
that's the, that's the devil's bargain with the technocratic
38:38
conception of technocracy. The devil's bargain is, and CS
38:42
Lewis talks about this in this abolition of man that they
38:46
become masters at promising that you are most free.
38:51
When they are most in control, you are most free.
38:58
When they are most, If you wanted to sum up the Mamdani
39:03
platform in New York right now, or the new Somali socialist
39:07
fellow, that's it. I am your ticket to freedom, and
39:13
that ticket is paid for by you giving me control of virtually
39:17
everything, even the means of production.
39:19
Ultimately, that's where where it goes.
39:21
And of course, we know how this story ends every single time
39:27
they do not bring people up into prosperity, they crush
39:30
prosperity and bring poverty to all.
39:33
And but you're all equal hara hara.
39:36
So I, I think you've, you've got that balance, the balance
39:40
between a techno libertas versus a technocratic tyranny.
39:46
And that's going to be the choice in the end.
39:49
That's going to be the choice. And ironically, the techno
39:53
tyranny has to draw from the old industrialized nineteen 20th
39:59
century order, the frames of reference that developed a
40:03
socialistic frames of reference that the collectivist frames of
40:07
reference that developed from that.
40:09
Whereas we're on the cutting edge, talking about a new era
40:12
and a new age of extraordinary freedom from the old binding,
40:17
out of date, stale. Tyrannical institutions that
40:24
that are holding you and society back.
40:27
And I think that's again, that's when when Musk and Trump were
40:31
together, I think they were, they were, they were imbibing,
40:36
they were radiating that for people to imbibe literally every
40:41
single moment. Now they've kind of broken a
40:44
little bit. It's OK.
40:46
I think they're going to come back together eventually.
40:48
It's in both their interests, but I I just think that techno
40:52
populist genie broken out of the bottle is going to be very, very
40:58
hard to defeat. Yeah, and I I completely agree.
41:01
I think, you know, it's a it's a one way door.
41:05
Once you start consuming information from X or YouTube or
41:13
Rumble and you start thinking critically and it's a one way
41:17
door. Once you take the orange pill
41:19
and you reclaim back your sovereignty, owning and saving
41:23
in Bitcoin, you're not going back right.
41:26
So, you know, and, and you're bringing up some interesting
41:29
points, which is, you know, and I'm originally from Venezuela.
41:32
So I saw this happen to my, my parents country within 20 years.
41:38
Venezuela, one of the most prosperous countries in South
41:41
America to within 20 years of, of, to be inclusive in the
41:45
wording and language collectivism, you know, it
41:49
basically destroyed the country. And this has happened in
41:54
basically every single continent for the last 100 years.
41:57
It's time to try something new. And I have a really good buddy
42:02
of mine and he wrote a book called the Uncommunist
42:07
Manifesto. And one of the, one of the
42:09
things that he wrote in it was, he said the 5th tenet of the
42:13
Communist Manifesto is the necessity for central banking,
42:16
right. And then you're just, you're
42:17
just like you kind of, you start the, the necessity for the
42:22
centralization of credit. But I kind of want to pivot the
42:26
conversation a little bit, Doctor Turley, to there's a part
42:30
in your book where you talk about the spiritual warfare
42:33
aspect of all of this that that's happening.
42:38
And you're, you make the claim that we're witnessing one of the
42:42
greatest religious renewals in world history.
42:46
Now, I can attest to that as a bitcoiner.
42:49
I've seen Bitcoiners like literally go get baptized.
42:54
I've seen a renewal in faith of people that start adopting
42:59
Bitcoin. My theory behind this is I think
43:02
Fiat is inherently disconnected from reality.
43:05
I think Bitcoin is connected to reality, anchored to reality via
43:09
proof of work. So it's anchored to the
43:11
universe, therefore it's anchored more to truth, right?
43:16
And what I've seen within the Bitcoin community is a rise in,
43:23
you know, religion in a rise in belief in my own personal case.
43:28
You know, I'm, I'm, I'm Hispanic, you know, you're
43:31
raised Catholic. But, you know, I didn't really
43:34
go to church that much. My wife and I went to
43:37
traditional Latin Mass two weeks ago.
43:40
Awesome. Like, you could never have
43:42
imagined that, right? I'm a big trad guy.
43:45
I love it. So, you know, you could never
43:47
have imagined that you just this was unbelievable.
43:50
Like, you know, having a conversation with myself five
43:53
years ago, it would have been like, what are you talking
43:55
about? What, what do you mean
43:56
traditional? What do you mean Vatican 2?
43:58
What are you talking about? What, what are those events?
44:01
But now you know, you're just like, Oh my God, this is, this
44:04
is crazy. So I do agree with you 100%.
44:10
There is a spiritual warfare component to this that is
44:14
happening and it's, and it's a global phenomenon.
44:17
So could you talk a little bit about that?
44:19
Because there's a, there's a, a chapter in your book that you
44:22
focus specifically on that the religious renewal that's
44:26
happening worldwide and also the spiritual warfare component of
44:31
it. Yeah, a brilliant.
44:35
Yeah. So it, it does seem to be, well,
44:39
let me set it up here where the notion we've been told for at
44:44
least 20 years that Christianity is in decline around the world
44:49
at religion in general is in decline around the world and
44:52
that it's Christianity is particularly in decline here in
44:57
the United States. What we're finding in this whole
45:02
new field of study called post secular studies is those
45:08
studies, those earlier studies were complete bunk.
45:12
They were nonsense. There was some truth to them.
45:17
So, but it's a little bit complicated to just kind of get
45:21
our bearings, but I think it helps to explain a lot.
45:23
So when you even when you factor in population increase here in
45:29
the United States over the last 40 years, faithful church
45:34
attendance really hasn't dropped at all.
45:38
What has changed? It's always been around 40% by
45:42
the way. What has changed is how non
45:45
church attenders describe themselves and identify
45:49
themselves. So back in the day, say 40 years
45:52
ago, 50 years ago, they would have described themselves as
45:55
Christians. Sure, I celebrate Christmas, I
45:57
celebrate Easter. I'm a Christian, right?
46:01
But nowadays or of late they've been referring themselves more
46:06
in secular terms or woke terms or you've, you've probably heard
46:10
the term nuns, not not the NUN, right?
46:13
NONEI just I don't believe in nothing kind of thing.
46:17
But the key here the and that number has been growing
46:20
astronomically. The number of people identify as
46:22
secular, the number of people who identify as nuns, that
46:26
number is growing astronomically.
46:27
But it's misleading to think that Christianity is dying at
46:33
the same time. Because the key here and why
46:36
that's so misleading is that secularism is growing in the
46:40
midst of a non church demographic that itself is not
46:46
growing. So if the if the regular
46:50
attending church demographic has always been about 40% for the
46:55
last 40 years, the 60% that don't regularly attend church,
47:01
yes, they're more likely to say they're secular.
47:04
They're more likely to say they're non Christian or none or
47:07
what have you. But that overall non church
47:11
population itself is not growing.
47:13
It is static. So that's where the misnomer is
47:17
that somehow our nation's becoming more and more secular.
47:20
Now it is with our globalist elite.
47:23
Yeah, they hate Christian, they hate religion.
47:26
They want to get rid of it all. It's an impediment to their
47:28
power and their affluence and so forth.
47:30
Sure, no problem. But with all that in place, then
47:35
again, it's the Constantine moment.
47:37
We've weathered the storm. And So what we're seeing now
47:42
with recent data and, and, and global examples and so forth is
47:47
we're starting to see now that non church groups starting to
47:51
shrink. They're starting to come to
47:52
church now or they're starting to engage in religious practice
47:56
again. Gen.
47:58
Z men, for example, for the first time ever.
48:03
OK, so he's basically under 30s, right?
48:05
For the first time ever, we're seeing Gen.
48:07
Z men attend church more than women.
48:12
You. So when you study the sociology
48:14
of Christianity, that's mind blowing.
48:19
Even, again, even in the time before Constantine, the vast
48:22
majority of Christians were women.
48:25
Christianity is always religion in general, always has this more
48:31
female attendance to it. Let's just say, let's, if we're
48:35
all married, we know it. Our wives are far more moral
48:37
than we are, right? That's what a guy is.
48:40
But not with Gen. Z Gen.
48:44
Z, it's actually the men who are coming back to church.
48:47
It's stunning. And we're seeing it in places
48:49
like LA. Let that hit you.
48:52
Adult baptisms in Catholic churches are up 40% from this
48:56
time last year in Los Angeles. Again, this is in the Bible
49:01
Belt, right? And we're seeing the explosion
49:05
of Christianity in sub Sahara Africa, that in sub Sahara
49:09
Africa, Christianity is growing faster than population growth.
49:14
And guess where the fastest population growth is happening?
49:18
Sub Sahara Africa. So that suggests extraordinary
49:21
levels of conversions. China in many ways is going
49:25
through two revivals. It's going through a kind of
49:28
underground Christian revival, some arguing it could be the
49:32
single greatest revival in the history of the church.
49:35
But at the more power base level, the polar beer, the CCP
49:39
level, they're going through a kind of Confucian revival where
49:42
President GI has been requiring all CCP members to read the
49:47
Analects of of Confucius, and they've been building Confucius
49:52
temples and so forth. And they would refer to
49:54
themselves not as communists today, but as modern
49:57
Confucianists. Very fascinating seeing with the
50:00
Pentecostal movements, particularly in Latin America,
50:04
Europe. Yeah.
50:06
You know, Eastern Orthodoxy, Catholicism, evangelicalism,
50:10
they're all growing. Back in 1991, barely 30% of the
50:14
Russian population identified themselves as Christians.
50:17
Today it's 80%, thirty years. So the trajectory is all moving
50:22
in that direction. So the question is why?
50:24
What on earth is going on here? And I do, I think it's the rise
50:29
of civilizationalism in the end. And I'm that's my view.
50:33
If you go to the post secular literature, you're going to get
50:37
all these different views. There's no consensus as to why
50:40
religion is making such a comeback today.
50:44
But I would argue, I think it's connected to the the the
50:48
destruction of globalism, the fall of globalism and more and
50:52
more populations returning to nation, culture, custom and
50:58
tradition. And the big lie I would argue
51:02
that we bought into is this notion that I can be like a
51:08
nationalist in my sentiment, but I can still be globalist in my
51:13
epistemology. So epistemology being the, the,
51:16
you know, sort of the art and science of knowledge and what
51:19
you'll find. And I've talked with
51:21
nationalists about those people who refer themselves as
51:24
identitarians or what have you. But then they'll turn around and
51:27
say, yeah, but I, I don't, I don't buy into the religion
51:30
stuff. I'm more science.
51:33
Did you just hear yourself? You just claim you have a vision
51:36
of knowledge that bypasses culture.
51:41
Now, what kind of strange culture tells you that, right?
51:46
It was the Western Enlightenment, European culture.
51:49
So more and more, and I'm seeing it happen like first hand, more
51:53
and more people going, you know, I never thought about that.
51:55
Here I am advocating that culture matters, that nation
51:59
matters, that tradition matters. And and yet I'm bypassing the
52:04
cult of culture. I'm I'm bypassing the fact that
52:09
cultures actually have unique ways of knowing and relating to
52:14
the world. Japanese know the world very
52:17
differently than Texans and Hungarians know the very or the
52:21
world very differently than Venezuelans, and Russians know
52:24
the world very differently than Indians, and on and on and on.
52:28
And that's why you get so much tribalistic strife, for example,
52:32
around the world or Africa or so like the Hutus, the Tutsis, they
52:36
see each other as fundamentally different.
52:40
They know the world differently than each other.
52:43
So then again, that that then begs the question of how do we
52:47
find a way of common ground? And so, and that's where you
52:50
getting in natural law and natural theology and all that
52:53
sort of stuff. But the big lie that we were
52:57
sold for so long was the notion that we could have this form of
53:02
knowledge based in scientific rationalism.
53:06
That was the one true way of knowing the world that bypass
53:10
all cultural preconceptions of the world.
53:15
And that's the foundation precisely for the colonialism
53:19
and, and the, the kind of imperialism that we saw in the
53:23
19th and the 20th century, going all the way into World War 2.
53:26
And then of course, the the Cold War where either we were all
53:29
going to be Western liberals or we're all going to be Soviet
53:32
communists who's A1 size fits all way of knowing translates
53:36
inevitably into one-size-fits-all politics and
53:40
economics. And what's happening today.
53:43
What's so cool is the world populations are returning more
53:48
and more to. Yes, there's common ground for
53:51
how we know, but knowledge is, it's inescapably culturally
53:57
shaped, and that's a good thing. That's not a bad thing.
54:01
My wife is from Japan and so I love going to Japan and
54:04
immersing myself in that Shinto soaked world.
54:08
It is beautiful. The whole concept of Shinto is
54:11
cosmic harmony and it's lovely and it's beautiful.
54:14
Now we could talk why I think, well, maybe, you know,
54:17
Christianity's actually the fulfillment of that for all
54:21
peoples in their own cultural expressions.
54:24
That's the coolest thing about Christianity.
54:25
Even with the Orthodox faith, you've got Russian Orthodoxy and
54:29
you've got the Romanian Orthodoxy and Coptic Orthodoxy
54:32
and Greek are. So it all has its own, it has
54:35
its own shape and so forth. But the the notion that culture
54:40
and knowledge are separate is itself a cultural construct.
54:44
That is, there is only certain cultures that would ever say
54:47
that. And unfortunately they came from
54:49
the European Enlightenment of the 18th century.
54:51
So what I think the shift back to nation, culture, custom and
54:55
traditions happening by virtue of the shattering of globalism
54:59
is it's reawakening the cultic nature of culture, the religious
55:04
nature of culture, and that's shaping the whole of how we
55:07
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And and you see it in the numbers.
56:22
You know, you're, you're talking about again, the rise of, of, of
56:27
specifically in young men and you're seeing this in, in, in
56:31
Catholic Church as well. Specifically.
56:34
It's really, really interesting. The traditional, the traditional
56:39
Mass, the traditional mass from the from 1962 in young people,
56:46
you're actually seeing a rise in attendance.
56:49
So like people that are under 30, you're seeing, they're going
56:52
back into the past and then the new mass, you know, which is pre
56:56
1970, you're actually seeing a decline and you're actually
57:00
seeing the people that are attending that type of mass.
57:03
It's a the that population is aging.
57:06
It's, it's, it's like as if the young people want the traditions
57:09
back, which is fascinating. If you've, you know, gone
57:13
through the world the last 1520 years, you could have never have
57:16
imagined that. So the data is just it's mind
57:20
blowing. And then, you know, where is
57:22
kind of the world heading into all this.
57:24
And I, I don't, I don't believe it's a coincidence, Dr. Turley,
57:28
that Bitcoin kind of came onto the scene while, you know, the
57:35
world is experiencing this type of revival, this type of heading
57:41
into more, a, a more optimistic world view.
57:46
I, I don't think that Bitcoin it, it just came onto the scene
57:50
just when it did, you know, if you are to believe in the, the
57:53
divine, you know, I, I respect everyone's, you know, different
57:56
world views and perspectives, but I don't think it was a
57:59
coincidence, you know, this, this previous election, the way
58:04
that all of a sudden Bitcoin got just thrust into politics.
58:09
You went from Trump basically not mentioning it to I'm going
58:13
to free Ross. I'm going to support Bitcoin.
58:16
You know, him moving his head at like the precise time
58:22
millimeter, like, you know, it, it, it, it seemed divine, like
58:27
it just seemed like, you know, and again, this all comes to
58:29
personal beliefs and I and I respect everyone's opinion and
58:32
where you come from, but you know, of course, me personally
58:36
having my personal belief, I'm seeing this and I'm like, this
58:39
is divine. Like this is not, this is not
58:43
just happenstance like this is, this is all we're witnessing
58:47
history in the making. And you know, it's, it's
58:51
absolutely beautiful to see. And again, like you just coming
58:56
to the Bitcoin scene, I don't think that's a coincidence.
59:00
I think, you know, it's one in the same and you, you, you're
59:04
saying it earlier when we were talking that you believe, you
59:08
know, it's still early in the movement, but I think 10 year,
59:13
5-10 years down the road, I think it goes hand in hand.
59:17
Like if you love freedom, if you love individualism, if you love
59:21
meritocracy, if you love liberty, Bitcoin is the money
59:26
for you. It, it is, it is the exact tool
59:31
that you need in order to live that life that you want to live.
59:36
It's not Fiat money. Fiat money is the exact
59:39
opposite. What are your thoughts on that,
59:41
Doctor Turley? Yeah, I mean, there again,
59:42
there's so much I love. So what what I'm what I'm going
59:47
to RIP off of there is what I love to say.
59:51
I think, I think most people don't quite understand the
59:58
attraction towards Trump and the nature of the attraction towards
1:00:02
Trump and the nature of the attraction towards Bitcoin.
1:00:06
I don't think it's factual. I don't think it's political.
1:00:11
I don't think it's partisan. I don't think it's pragmatic.
1:00:15
I do believe it is mythic. Mythic in the ultimate sort of
1:00:20
sense of the the term. Mythos the the Greek literally
1:00:26
refers to a meta narrative, a meta story by which we
1:00:31
understand everything. So when we go and we see
1:00:34
Maverick and we're all like cheering, you know, Tom Cruise
1:00:36
is our well that that that whole story, the whole story arc is,
1:00:41
is the hero's journey. It's an anxious going all the
1:00:44
way back to Homer, you know, and you see it even cross
1:00:46
culturally, that's what we call a mythos.
1:00:49
It's a myth. These are these are collections
1:00:53
of symbols that help us understand reality.
1:00:58
Jordan Peterson would argue we actually can't know apart from
1:01:02
myth. I'll go right back to what I was
1:01:04
just saying. And somebody turns around, says,
1:01:06
no, I think, you know, we once were religious in the way we
1:01:09
believe, but now we've been rescued from religion by
1:01:12
science. I would smile at him and say,
1:01:15
well, that's called a myth. It's called the scientific myth,
1:01:18
but it's still a myth. It's a meta narrative that helps
1:01:21
us to understand reality. You say we can't get around our
1:01:24
brains think mythologically. And what is happening today, I
1:01:29
think, is the return of Methos. It's Trump in particular.
1:01:35
But I would say the same for Bitcoin.
1:01:38
He is seen as a symbol of decisive, restorative leadership
1:01:44
needed in times of institutional decay.
1:01:47
That's key. So Oswald Spengler, the German
1:01:52
scholar, 20th century German scholar wrote about this where
1:01:56
he noted that throughout history when civilizations had faced
1:02:00
crisis and decline, the population inevitably look to
1:02:06
what inevitably become larger than life leaders.
1:02:11
A mythic appeal like a Caesar or a Constantine or George
1:02:16
Washington or in finance, a Bitcoin to emerge to re
1:02:21
establish order and inspire collective purpose and human
1:02:26
flourishing. So Trump's ability to galvanized
1:02:30
public events, like when we see him walking into those UFC
1:02:34
arenas, man, dude, that is like Caesar coming back, a conquering
1:02:40
Caesar coming back walking into the Coliseum of adoring fans,
1:02:44
right? That just that Caesar archetype
1:02:49
resonates when the public loses faith in traditional structures
1:02:54
and they're really looking for, you know, a hero.
1:02:57
You mentioned Bobby Kennedy when when he and Trump finally locked
1:03:02
arms and and decided to align together of the Friday, it was
1:03:07
in August, the Friday of the Democrat National Convention
1:03:10
back in 2024. And Bobby Kennedy gets announced
1:03:14
at the Trump rally and the people go nuts.
1:03:17
What's the song they were playing when it came on Out
1:03:20
there goes my hero. That's a hero.
1:03:24
That's what people look for when they see their culture, their
1:03:30
nation, their world on the verge of collapse.
1:03:33
And that's why I think Trump and Robert Kenney and others command
1:03:40
so much loyalty. It's not political, it's not
1:03:44
partisan. Nobody cares the party they
1:03:47
belong to. It's not pragmatic.
1:03:49
Well, I just hope he lose tech. No, it's mythic in nature.
1:03:53
And that to me, that's why I love simply Bitcoin.
1:03:57
It's why I love your show. It's because you guys, I think
1:04:01
you've got it. You've got you analyzed this
1:04:04
methos of Bitcoin that helps people reimagine finance,
1:04:11
reimagine money in such a way that opens up opportunities the
1:04:16
likes of which they never even fathomed.
1:04:20
That's mythic thinking. It's kind of it's because
1:04:24
scholars call it remythologization.
1:04:26
You're doing it, it's happening. I just think by virtue of the
1:04:29
fact of the the implosion of the old modernist industrial second
1:04:35
industrial revolution age and this new cyber space techno
1:04:42
world that's rising is reawakening.
1:04:46
It's giving us permission to dream again.
1:04:48
It's giving us permission to reimagine the world in new and
1:04:53
exciting ways. And I think that's that explains
1:04:56
the fervor, the rightful fervor of Bitcoin.
1:04:59
And I think that explains as well the rightful fervor
1:05:02
surrounding MAGA and and Trump. Yeah, and and again, I, I, I
1:05:08
can't keep reiterating this. I don't think it's a coincidence
1:05:11
that these two one in a century movements because the the the
1:05:17
MAGA movement, the coalition that Trump has with this, with
1:05:22
specifically the second term, right?
1:05:27
You have Bobby Kennedy, that's a Democrat.
1:05:30
You have Tulsi Gabbard, that's a Democrat, right?
1:05:34
She was. She was the Co chair of the
1:05:36
Democrat National Committee not too long ago.
1:05:38
Trump, he was moderate like you, you, you would say he was a
1:05:42
Democrat basically exactly 20 years ago.
1:05:45
So you had a coalition of unlikely allies.
1:05:49
And and that leads me to another part, which you talk about in
1:05:52
your book, which is essentially the, the, the tech trad alliance
1:06:00
between Silicon Valley leaders and, and conservatives.
1:06:04
And you had like the most unlikely allies come together to
1:06:10
basically step in and say, Hey, wait a second, like if we keep
1:06:15
going in this direction, you know, this might not be good,
1:06:21
this this outcome might not be good.
1:06:23
And and it galvanized my industry.
1:06:26
We Doctor Turley, we we as bitcoiners, when we we have
1:06:31
Bitcoin in self custody, we feel so sovereign that in a way, like
1:06:35
we make jokes and like, we kind of like, you know, kid around
1:06:39
and this and this and that. But in a way, if you're earning
1:06:42
and saving in Bitcoin and you're taking that Bitcoin to self
1:06:45
custody, I don't want to say you're completely immune to the
1:06:49
politics, but it does give you a tremendous amount of power
1:06:53
because if the situation in your jurisdiction gets so bad, you
1:06:58
can just get up and leave and take.
1:07:01
Your wealth with you. Right.
1:07:03
So it gives you tremendous amount of sovereignty and power.
1:07:06
But it got to such an extent that they were they tried
1:07:11
attacking the mining industry, they tried attacking self
1:07:13
custody, they tried it's shutting down pro Bitcoin bank
1:07:18
like everything that you can imagine.
1:07:20
They did it right, yes. And you know, Bitcoin is the
1:07:24
most unlikely population of people that doesn't do not care.
1:07:29
They were just like, guys like we need to vote for Trump, like
1:07:32
we need to vote for RFK. Like, if not, you know, Ross
1:07:36
isn't going to be free. Like we got to step up, you
1:07:39
know, and all of a sudden we came up, we, we, we became a
1:07:42
voting demographic. And I think it backfired
1:07:45
tremendously because the, the, the Democrat voting demographic
1:07:50
tends to be the younger generations, you know, who holds
1:07:54
Bitcoin and, and digital assets disproportionately the younger
1:07:58
generations. So they tried to walk it back a
1:08:01
little bit, but it was too little too late.
1:08:03
It was like, look, guys, I, I know what you guys are doing
1:08:06
right now. And I had Caitlin Long, who's
1:08:08
the founder and CEO of Custodia bank.
1:08:10
I was talking to her about a week or two ago and she said she
1:08:13
told me point blank. She told me, Nico, like it cost
1:08:18
them the election, like the fact that they were anti Bitcoin.
1:08:22
Yeah, it cost them the election, right.
1:08:25
And that to me just it gave me chills when when she said that.
1:08:29
But I I, I do want to focus on this part of your book where
1:08:31
where you describe the rise of the tech trad alliance between
1:08:36
Silicon Valley leaders like Elon Musk and conservatives.
1:08:40
And again, it seems like an unlikely partnership, like if we
1:08:42
were just talking about RFK and Tulsi Gabbard, you know, Elon,
1:08:47
in the heart of Silicon Valley, Like, you know, historically
1:08:50
that they lean a certain, you know, a certain way, right?
1:08:55
It's always been that way. And then all of a sudden, at the
1:08:58
Trump inauguration, you had tech leaders from the likes of Elon
1:09:02
Musk to Jeff Bezos to Mark Zuckerberg.
1:09:05
Yeah. You got it.
1:09:07
What? What happened there?
1:09:11
The left went woke in three words, I think, I guess that
1:09:15
before right, the left went woke and and they went insane.
1:09:20
They went nuts. They went full cultural Marxists
1:09:23
and all of a sudden Silicon Valley libertarian types, Elon,
1:09:29
Peter Thiel, Vivac, Marc Andreessen, they they were like,
1:09:36
this is nuts. This is great.
1:09:38
They're going to shut us down. They're going to, they're going
1:09:41
to try to control everything that we do.
1:09:43
And social conservatives were also freaked out just by the,
1:09:49
you know, the the, the social implications of these policies
1:09:54
that the woke left. And so this alliance between
1:09:56
Silicon Valley and social conservatives really does seem
1:10:00
grounded as they ironically, just mistakenly or not yet
1:10:05
mistakenly, but inadvertently found out that they actually
1:10:08
have a lot of overlap. So if you think of Venn diagram,
1:10:11
there's a they're they're right in the middle.
1:10:13
There's there's a lot. They both believe in a cosmic
1:10:17
purpose of some kind, a cosmic order.
1:10:20
This isn't just random. We're not just a big mistake.
1:10:23
They both desire to reverse civilizational decline and they
1:10:27
have a common interest, particularly Elon, and promoting
1:10:30
family and demographic renewal. So they both see that both
1:10:35
groups see the collapse of birth rates and loss of meaning as
1:10:39
urgent crises, the nihilism that that is rising that doesn't
1:10:44
really work well with techno libertarianism by any stretch of
1:10:47
the imagination. So they both champion
1:10:50
initiatives, common initiatives like pro natalist tax policy,
1:10:54
family centric work environments and optimistic conception of the
1:10:58
cosmos to really just spur demographic and cultural health
1:11:02
and societal renewal. And this is, you know, this is
1:11:07
interesting, but it was something that was predicted
1:11:10
back in the 19th century by a very obscure Russian Orthodox
1:11:16
theorist by the name of Nikolai Fyodorov and his notion of
1:11:21
cosmism. It's a his, he had a cosmic
1:11:23
theology where he was, and, and this is a guy, he just lived
1:11:28
alone. He was like a monk.
1:11:29
He was a librarian. He lived in a library across
1:11:31
from the Kremlin, and the likes of people like Tolstoy and
1:11:35
Dostoevsky would go and visit them and just chat with them,
1:11:37
and they'd have their minds blown by this guy.
1:11:40
So this is the time 19th century, when, you know, second
1:11:44
industrial revolutions in full swing, are seeing all this
1:11:47
technology emerge. And a lot of people at the time
1:11:52
we're talking about, oh, OK, well, we don't need tradition
1:11:55
anymore. We don't need religion.
1:11:56
We've got science. We've got tech, and this guy
1:12:01
Fyodorov was basically saying no, no, no, no.
1:12:04
Science and tech by itself will only lead to tyranny.
1:12:08
It'll only destroy you. The.
1:12:10
Freeing element is when it comes together with tradition, tech
1:12:14
and tradition, science and religion.
1:12:17
And he believed being Orthodox Christian, he saw Christ as the
1:12:21
one who was able to hold that together as he's, he's the
1:12:24
incarnation of God and man, heaven and earth.
1:12:27
He's able to bring tech and trad together in his own unique way
1:12:31
and his resurrection in a fact sanctified the whole of the
1:12:37
natural create, you know, creative creation cosmos.
1:12:42
And then therefore, now being redeemed in Christ by the power
1:12:46
of the Spirit, we are supposed to awaken technologists who can
1:12:52
give us the technology to be able to basically inhabit the
1:12:56
whole of the cosmos. This is guy in the 19th century
1:12:58
talking this way. OK, You know, And he's talking
1:13:01
about one day we'll have rockets and we'll have things like
1:13:04
computers and all this sort of stuff that's going to connect us
1:13:08
all together. And he was talking about
1:13:10
cyberspace before there was even cyberspace.
1:13:14
And so he had this tech trad vision in mind.
1:13:18
But you know, I mean, he, he died in obscurity.
1:13:21
A profit is never appreciated in his own time, as it were his own
1:13:26
temporal home. And it just seems that wokeness
1:13:30
became the catalyst to bring what were otherwise to disparate
1:13:37
trajectories or dynamics together.
1:13:40
Suddenly, Silicon Valley and social conservatives became best
1:13:44
friends. Now there's good.
1:13:45
There's obviously disagreement. A lot of people say there's no
1:13:48
real coherence there. But Ross Dalfa of The New York
1:13:51
Times has been doing a lot of riding on saying, actually,
1:13:54
there is a lot of agreement. There is a lot of common ground
1:13:58
here. And and that means that it's not
1:14:01
just simply a marriage of convenience that there is some
1:14:04
foundational, structural, social, structural connection
1:14:11
between the tech side and the trad side.
1:14:14
Again, you can see the fighting. You'll see that a little bit
1:14:16
here or there like we saw recently with Elon and Trump.
1:14:19
But generally speaking, I mean, look at someone like JD Vance,
1:14:24
talk about somebody who embodies this tech trad alliance.
1:14:28
He made his money right on Palantir in in the tech world.
1:14:33
But he you talk about trad Catholic.
1:14:36
He's a trad Catholic convert, deliberately goes to Latin Mass
1:14:43
from Appalachia. So you put that all together,
1:14:46
that's tech trad in a nutshell. That's archaeo future in a
1:14:50
nutshell. The way forward is going in the
1:14:53
past. We want the most amazing new
1:14:56
technologies imaginable, grounded in an ancient wisdom
1:15:02
that brings together past, present and future together.
1:15:05
The problem with liberalism is it hates the past.
1:15:08
The past is racist. It's bigoted, it's phobic.
1:15:11
We want to cut ourselves off from the past.
1:15:13
Even communism goes that way. Cut yourself off from the past.
1:15:17
It's only evil. It's only exploitive.
1:15:19
The the truth is the future. That's where our hope is.
1:15:24
Whereas traditionalism basically says that there are practices
1:15:29
and beliefs and identities and so forth of the past that are
1:15:35
necessary to preserve in the present in order to flourish in
1:15:39
the future. It brings past, present, and
1:15:41
future together in this holistic vision of reality that that re,
1:15:48
that methos, that re mythologize vision of reality.
1:15:51
You put that all together and then you, you, you strap that to
1:15:57
a rocket. And Fyodorov would say
1:16:00
literally, the cosmos is the limit.
1:16:03
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talking about that gentleman where where basically it was
1:17:14
science and technology is going to replace the past.
1:17:18
And it, it reminds me of the cult of reason during the French
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French Revolution. And they tried the they tried
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the same thing Robespierre tried the same thing and they went
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absolutely they went cuckoo, right.
1:17:33
I'm just we are on YouTube, so I'm just going to say it nicely
1:17:36
right but. They went cuckoo is right.
1:17:40
To say the least, right, and I love the way that you put it
1:17:45
right, because again, it's and I think This is why, you know, to
1:17:49
to kind of tie it back with Bitcoin and and then I want to
1:17:53
go back to your book. I think, you know, with Bitcoin,
1:17:57
what we're really doing is we're going, we're just, we're
1:18:02
bringing back sound money. This has been, this is, this is
1:18:07
traditional, this has been how money has always worked, right?
1:18:11
It has always worked every single time in a historical
1:18:16
context that a society has drifted away from sound money.
1:18:20
This happened to the Roman Empire.
1:18:21
You can make a very strong army argument that the Roman Empire,
1:18:25
one of the main catalysts As for its decline was inflation,
1:18:29
right? Except all they did was just
1:18:31
lower the quantity of silver that was in their currency.
1:18:34
But that essentially it's the same thing you're.
1:18:36
Just shave off the little edges. There, you're debasing the
1:18:40
currency. It's exactly the same concept,
1:18:42
right? It's the same.
1:18:44
And you can see that societies that have been able to live
1:18:49
under a sound money standard, they've been able to thrive.
1:18:52
But what what always ends up happening is eventually and, and
1:18:59
they do it with good intention. Here's the thing.
1:19:01
But the road to hell is paved in good intention.
1:19:02
They do with good intention, right?
1:19:04
But what what tends to happen is that people start to cut corners
1:19:08
and, and that isn't a problem the first time.
1:19:11
That starts to become a problem when it compounds over decades.
1:19:15
And trillions and trillions of dollars, right?
1:19:17
Right. And then all of a sudden, you
1:19:19
know, people wake up. The money is completely
1:19:22
disconnected from reality. 100% People underestimate how much of
1:19:28
A role money plays in the human experience.
1:19:32
It is half of every transaction. What if that?
1:19:38
Core. Concept of civilization.
1:19:41
That foundational concept is not only corrupted in its function,
1:19:49
but it, it's, and it's spirit it, the, the moral concept of
1:19:53
money is corrupted and society is running on that.
1:19:58
What are the implications of that to society?
1:20:01
And it's interesting because if you look at, you know, like
1:20:05
towards of the towards the end of the Roman Empire and what
1:20:08
we're kind of like witnessing here in the United States, you
1:20:11
see the moral decay of society and you could actually see the
1:20:16
correlation. Between the debasement during
1:20:19
the, the, the inflation rate and the moral decay, right?
1:20:24
I don't know if it's a causation, but there's
1:20:27
definitely a correlation, right? And that to me is just
1:20:32
absolutely fascinating. So when you're talking about it
1:20:34
and and again, this is going to be new to my audience.
1:20:37
When you're talking about the return of traditionalism, that's
1:20:42
what Bitcoin is like. You got yes, I don't understand.
1:20:44
We're returning back to a sound money standard.
1:20:48
When we were on the gold standard, that was a sound money
1:20:51
standard. The Fiat experiment is new that
1:20:54
started in 1971. This is brand new.
1:20:57
This is not, this has not been around for centuries and
1:21:00
centuries and centuries. It's brand new.
1:21:03
And I could say specifically, specifically for my generation
1:21:07
and the Gen. Z generation and the Alpha
1:21:09
generation, it's been a disaster.
1:21:12
It's been catastrophic. And I think that is a big
1:21:15
motivation as to why you see the younger generations going back
1:21:20
to traditionalism in the religious sense.
1:21:24
Yeah, I, I love it. I love everything you're saying.
1:21:27
And I, I think we might have talked about it in Vegas.
1:21:31
I think you saw the article, the archaeology article on an
1:21:37
ancient primitive indigenous society that had a Ledger system
1:21:42
for its monetary practices based on a stone Ledger.
1:21:48
And then the Ledger just kept track of where the money was and
1:21:54
who had it and and so on and so forth.
1:21:56
So if by definition sort of set the limits to to what the money
1:22:02
was and they kept the money sound and so forth.
1:22:05
And so, so there is this techno primitivism.
1:22:08
That's another way of talking about archaeo futurism that and
1:22:12
then this, these archaeologists were arguing that's basically
1:22:15
Bitcoin. That's what that's what, or
1:22:18
just, you know, just crypto in general is it's, it's, it's
1:22:22
basically a digital Ledger of limited bits and that everyone
1:22:29
could see objectively where it is who, you know, who owns it,
1:22:34
what owns and so forth. But only one person can control
1:22:38
their own their own bits, as it were.
1:22:41
And you know, we talked about to this notion of the noosphere.
1:22:46
That's a really neat concept. I think so fascinating where
1:22:51
scholars are talking about the planet going through kind of
1:22:54
these three stages of development.
1:22:55
See if the geosphere, the forming of the plates and the
1:22:58
molten lava and all that sort of stuff.
1:22:59
And then you got the biosphere, which we all live in, right, we
1:23:04
breathe and so on and a lovely living on on top of of the
1:23:09
plates. But then increasingly scholars
1:23:12
are saying that we're living in the midst of the Noah sphere.
1:23:15
It comes from the Greek word noose, which means mind.
1:23:19
And it's this notion that the human mind now is literally
1:23:22
covering the world like like great clouds.
1:23:25
I love looking at the, there's just over 20,000 satellites that
1:23:31
revolve around the Earth. Only about half are actually
1:23:35
working today. And, and, and of that, I think
1:23:37
70% belonged to the Elon Musk, right?
1:23:40
It was Skylink. But, but when you look at like
1:23:44
if you go on a website and you look at the, the maps that they
1:23:48
have the satellites, you could see the cloud in real time.
1:23:52
You see this human collective mind covering the Earth quite
1:23:59
literally, and that's the noosphere.
1:24:01
And, and that's where you're getting the infinite
1:24:03
scalability, that's where you're getting cyberspace, that's where
1:24:06
you're getting entire libraries of 100,000 books on your phone
1:24:10
in this realm of the noosphere and Bitcoin, when all said and
1:24:16
done, Bitcoin is the finance of the noosphere.
1:24:20
It's moving out of the biosphere into this higher order, as it
1:24:25
were, of the noosphere. And the coolest, the wildest
1:24:28
thing if you think it through is because it involves the human,
1:24:34
the collective structuration of the human mind all over the
1:24:40
Earth. Theologically, mind precedes
1:24:44
matter. So you know, in the beginning
1:24:46
God created the heavens, the earth, right?
1:24:48
And it just, you could go to Babylonian traditions, you go
1:24:50
Buddhist traditions, whatever mind, you know, a non physical
1:24:56
being precedes physicality. It's the basis for physical
1:25:02
things. Where else would physical things
1:25:03
come from, right? Something that's the other basic
1:25:06
cosmological question. So if that's the case, if if
1:25:10
mind precedes matter and the noosphere is all mind, it is the
1:25:15
the sum total of all human minds, you'll come together.
1:25:19
Then ironically, ironically, the more technological we get, the
1:25:26
more we go back to the beginning.
1:25:30
There it is in a nutshell. There's our key of futurism.
1:25:33
The more techno we get, the more, as it were mental we get.
1:25:38
The more mental we get, the more we go back to that which
1:25:42
actually precedes the creation of the physical cosmos, the mind
1:25:47
behind the matter. And so ironically, going forward
1:25:52
involves returning. How's that for a little a little
1:25:55
interstellar kind of stuff? And I think that's the the case
1:25:59
a lot of scholars have been talking about how the know is
1:26:02
fear is inherently mystical. It is inherently religious.
1:26:07
There is there is the rise of like people like you could check
1:26:10
him out on YouTube, a guy named Brian Swim, who is referred to
1:26:14
sort of as a religious naturalist.
1:26:16
So, you know, if you ever want to learn about evolution, if you
1:26:20
ever want to learn about just science, scientific method, he's
1:26:23
brilliant. He's your guy.
1:26:25
And he interprets it all mystically and religiously.
1:26:30
Fascinating interpret. But that again, that's that
1:26:33
archaeo future archaeo modernist.
1:26:36
The way forward is, is always returning.
1:26:39
Progressing always means going back by definition, if you see
1:26:43
the world in that way. So I just again, I just don't
1:26:46
think I love how you and I keep going back to this recursive.
1:26:50
This isn't a coincidence. This is happening very
1:26:53
organically and you couldn't have written the script better.
1:26:59
But I think I have a feeling someone is writing that script,
1:27:02
but it ain't us. 100% agree. And again, it's such an
1:27:07
interesting phenomenon that I think you, Doctor Charlie, were
1:27:11
able to really, you know, you're able to see this a lot sooner
1:27:17
than I was, you know, simply, you know, we, we started in, in
1:27:22
2020 and again, we, we started approach, it was just a tech
1:27:26
channel. It was just a tech channel.
1:27:28
We were just talking about Bitcoin as tech.
1:27:30
And then we started going what we call the rabbit hole.
1:27:34
And you, it starts opening up your mind towards, you know,
1:27:40
truth and the world and geopolitics and, and, you know,
1:27:46
all of a sudden, of course, me and you cross paths at the
1:27:48
Bitcoin conference. Trump is at the Bitcoin
1:27:50
conference, right? Like it, it's this convergence,
1:27:53
right, of, of coming together. But it's it's, it's, it's as you
1:27:57
say, you know, Bitcoin is a new technology, but we're going back
1:28:03
in a way, right? It's a new technology.
1:28:05
It's brand new, right? It's much newer than traditional
1:28:08
central banking. But we're going back, which is
1:28:11
to, which is. Freeing us to return exactly
1:28:14
right. And just to really just close
1:28:16
the loop there notice let's what's what is mega make America
1:28:21
great again again, right. It's going back.
1:28:26
That's it's known as restoration politics.
1:28:29
What happened over the weekend was written in Japan.
1:28:32
It was fascinating. There was a brand new MAGA
1:28:36
inspired political party. Let's say it's San Seto.
1:28:39
My wife's from Japan. Sorry, it sticks in my head a
1:28:42
little bit. San Seto.
1:28:43
It literally means, you know, the the people need to be
1:28:48
governing again. And it's a very anti globalist
1:28:52
party, anti liberal kind of stuff.
1:28:55
Very Trump inspired, very Japan first.
1:28:57
They had elections over the weekend.
1:29:00
They are now the number three most popular party in Japan.
1:29:04
They're barely like 2 years old. They 15 XD Their seats in the
1:29:09
Japanese parliament. It's restoration politics.
1:29:12
Russia's going back to Orthodoxy.
1:29:14
China's going back to Confucianism.
1:29:16
India's going back to Hindu nationalism, Turkey's going back
1:29:20
to Ottoman Islamism. Saudi Arabia sees itself as the
1:29:24
Sunni capital of the world. Viktor Orban of Hungary wants to
1:29:28
build Christian civilization. And we are.
1:29:30
We're seeing it with Malay and Argentina, right?
1:29:35
And now you, Buchelli and El Salvador.
1:29:37
And now we've got Trump and Make America Great Again.
1:29:41
The way forward is returning. How do we get, how do we go
1:29:45
forward through the new tech that's freeing us from the old
1:29:50
industrial ironical structures? And that new tack is now
1:29:55
reawakening a new traditionalism tech Trout Alliance.
1:29:58
It's the future, man. It's it's fantastic.
1:30:01
So, Doctor Turley, we are approaching the top of the hour
1:30:04
and I do want to end it with this question.
1:30:08
If everything you predict comes to pass and we truly enter the
1:30:13
golden age, what will America look like?
1:30:16
What will the world look like? Better said in 2035, Paint us a
1:30:21
picture of the civilization you believe we're currently
1:30:24
building. Oh man, thank you for that.
1:30:28
That's be I. I do see a nation in in 2035.
1:30:33
I see a nation with secure borders.
1:30:35
I don't think that we're ever going back to the insanity that
1:30:38
we had between 20/21/20 January 2025.
1:30:43
I see a vibrant religious and community life.
1:30:47
I see the renewed, A renewed culture, a very strong culture
1:30:53
of family, thriving local economies free from woke
1:30:58
corporate control and a renewed sense of purpose really is a
1:31:03
city on a hill for America. That's always been our in our
1:31:06
mythology. You know, when the Puritans came
1:31:08
over, that's what they wanted. They wanted to build a new
1:31:11
Jerusalem here for all the world to see and to emulate.
1:31:18
I do envision at my most optimistic moments robust mega
1:31:24
regions anchored by what Trump is calling freedom cities.
1:31:27
He'd he's a member when also done Trump's a he's a city boy
1:31:31
grown up in Queens or I grew up in Connecticut, so right near me
1:31:35
grew up in Queens made his fortune Manhattan.
1:31:38
He is sick to his heart on what's happened to our nation's
1:31:43
cities, particular cities on the on the northeast, because the
1:31:47
older cities not so much you guys are the new Miami's and and
1:31:52
the Vegas's and so that that have the sense of futurism to
1:31:57
them. That's the difference between
1:31:58
say like Dubai and Detroit. Detroit is just like falling
1:32:03
apart. Where Dubai is is a symbol of
1:32:05
this archaeo future, as it were actually has, as I understand,
1:32:08
has the highest mosque prayer room at the top of the Burj
1:32:12
Khalifa. But I do, I see mega regions
1:32:15
forming, I see freedom cities rising.
1:32:19
I see AI would call it a flourishing parallel economy,
1:32:22
but it would be the true economy.
1:32:24
It would be the new sort of like patriot influenced economy.
1:32:29
And I see, I see political influence increasingly shifting
1:32:34
towards communities of faith and and freedom, education,
1:32:43
commerce, cultural life. I think they'll all increasingly
1:32:48
reflect this more, you know, broadly Christian traditional
1:32:52
American identity combined with these principles of liberty,
1:32:56
virtue and duty manifested in flourishing technology and
1:33:04
financial opportunity, likes of which we never imagined.
1:33:08
I could not even conceive of what where Bitcoin will be in
1:33:13
terms of its worth. We're talking in terms of total
1:33:16
Bitcoin. We're talking trillions upon
1:33:17
trillions upon trillions and, and, and therefore everyone
1:33:23
who's invested in it now and investor use it however you want
1:33:27
to conceive your relationship to it, you're going to, you're
1:33:32
going to look back at these days and say, man, we were at the
1:33:35
cusp of something incredibly special.
1:33:38
And that is the beginning of a whole new era that will last for
1:33:42
generations. Absolutely, Doctor Turley, it's
1:33:45
been an absolute honor to have you on the show, guys.
1:33:48
Go check out his new book. It's on Amazon right now,
1:33:50
America awakened, the collapse of globalism and the returns of
1:33:54
faith, family, and freedom. And of course, you're probably
1:33:57
already subscribed, but go check out Doctor Turley's YouTube
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channel. I mean, if you're a Bitcoin, you
1:34:01
probably don't even know about Doctor Turley.
1:34:04
So go check out Doctor Turley. We got a friend over here.
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1:34:16
He makes fantastic content. It got me through some very
1:34:19
turbulent times, like I said in the past and Doctor Turley, it's
1:34:23
been an honor. Thank you so much for joining
1:34:24
me. Right, right back at you and you
1:34:26
can thank you guys for all the work that you do.
1:34:28
It's simply Bitcoin. You are changing lives like you
1:34:31
never even imagine, so God bless everyone of you.
1:34:35
Thank you so much. I appreciate it.