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When Truth Equals Controversy - Free Speech, AI Warfare, Citizen Journalism, and Geopolitics · World Ablaze with George Fontes

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All right, well, hello everyone and welcome to the program as always.
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I am absolutely thrilled that you are here if you've never checked us out before.
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We are primarily an interview and a commentary based podcast.
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Today I kind of have like a co-host situation for you.
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with me on the studio line is George Fonts from World Ablaze. George, I'm so glad you are here.
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Thank you, Billy. I've been wanting to do this for a bit, so I appreciate you having the time for me.
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Absolutely, George. I always have time for you, George. George is the host of World Ablaze,
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like I said, with George Fonts, a show that delivers unfiltered, no bullshit conversations
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and commentary about politics, news, and geopolitics.
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With a mostly center, often right-leaning stance,
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he delivers analysis and informed opinions that cut through the noise
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as he presents facts, data, and thought-provoking commentary
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with both guests and his solo episodes.
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George, talking about the subject matter that you do,
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how much grief do you get?
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Because I'll tell you what I know.
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in the podcast, especially as it's grown, is people will criticize some of the things
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that we present in this program.
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And I have no idea what they listen to.
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That's the weird thing.
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It's like it's so far off the mark of what I said.
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I've often said people are entitled to their own opinion.
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And now we have a situation where people are entitled to their own reality.
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and now it seems they hear what they want to hear.
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I find that very frustrating.
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Have you had that experience?
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Well, I would say yes, but I'm going to present it differently
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because alongside podcasting, which you're an absolute veteran at,
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you've been doing it way longer than I have.
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So you've seen this thing progress and grow throughout the years.
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Yeah.
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But alongside podcasting, we have other forms.
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we have a live stream, which is literally to me, not even podcasting. It's just television at this
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point. But alongside that, we have social media. And then we also have to look at what YouTube has
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become and what TikTok has become. So what happens in my experiences, you get into what you're asking
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is sometimes you're taken out of context or you wonder like, well, what are you comparing my
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statement to or my material to? And what I think it is more often than not, or what I know it is
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more often than not, is they're not even watching, let's say, the clip, the video, or even listening.
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They see the title, they see the picture, and they have an opinion right out the gate before even hearing you out.
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And that can absolutely be frustrating because you're just being judged based on whatever the hook is as far as the title.
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And I've had people comment on many clips I've done, and I'm just like, I got to a point, Billy, where I was like,
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did you even watch the video?
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you know because there's there's times where i'll actually take clips of other people speaking
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themselves not necessarily me making the comments or the accusations or whatever it is it'll be the
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individual themselves and they would pin it on me as being well you're you're a crazy fringe right
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winger maga or whatever they want to call me um and of course i'm talking when it comes to politics
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but it's like i don't think people even take the time and and when you look at the stats if you look
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at the analytics most people like they try to measure things for example like download for
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podcasting 60 seconds right whatever it is a minute iab but the reality is i've found that many people
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what's considered a view on youtube whatever site as long as you click on it it's a view and most
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people don't even get past the first three seconds on most things their attention span is that short
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You're lucky if you get them to do 30, much less watch a full minute.
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And even for any content that's a minute to two minutes, I find most people don't even get past 30 seconds on anything.
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And so they're not even hearing what you have to say.
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Or even if the content we're making in short form can absolutely be taken out of context.
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I mean, it's something meant to capture your attention.
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But what I find is people can't even get through one minute of conversation or presentation.
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so when we're talking about a podcast that's one to two hours unless you have a guest that is like
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let's say we actually do book president trump or um aoc or someone like that or any any big author
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or movie star they're gonna just look at the title they're gonna click on it and then they just kind
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of like go away and it's not i don't think it's i don't think it's anything on you or me or anyone
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else it's just their attention span is that short because while they're watching your video they got
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something else popping up over here. Like, I don't know, a cat playing with a ball of yarn,
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like, oh, look, funny cats. And that's just what it is. So I don't take it personal whatsoever.
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You and I know that you can measure who your fan base is. You know, by the numbers, who's consistent,
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by what part of the country, which country, wherever it comes from, you can see the consistency
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and you can see the people that show up each and every episode. You can see the people that show up
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each and every stream. So I don't really take it personal. I just come to realize
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they're not even getting through the material, especially when I would talk about the DSA.
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Just an example, because it's happened recently on Facebook, where I had a video about the
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DSA.
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Got over 13,000 views, allegedly.
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But if you look at the comments, most of them were based on my title because I would have
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to rebut half of what they're saying by going, did you even get past the first 10, 15 seconds?
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I actually addressed that.
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You know what I'm saying?
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So I think people are reactionary.
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They're triggered by titles.
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They're triggered by artwork.
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And they're not even willing to take the time to hear anyone out.
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I think everyone goes in with a preconceived assumption of what you're about and what you're talking about.
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And when it comes to geopolitics, like if we're talking about conflicts in the Middle East, if we're talking about Ukraine, anything like that, I tend to do deep dives.
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I tend to really try to know what I'm talking about based on important to say the information
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at the time, right.
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Of the recording.
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Yeah.
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And so I will back up my statements based on what I find is not really an assumption.
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And if it is, I will say, Hey, based on these findings, this is my opinion, or this is what
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I think could be the connections of what's going on.
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But in between that, you know, everything holding it together, all everything holding
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that, that, that body work together, the sinew, the tendons, everything else, like, you know,
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it's based on the facts and data that I've already dove into and research or SMEs I've talked to.
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So it can be disheartening, you know, getting back to your question.
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It's like, yeah, you know, you'll get criticism, you'll get comments.
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But I also find there's a lot of people that don't even get past the first three or even 30 seconds,
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if they even get that far, of most people's content to really understand or grasp, you know,
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the entire message or whatever it is you're presenting.
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So that's what I find, you know, and I try not to take that personal.
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Yeah. You're set up a little bit differently. My audience is primarily on the audio platforms and they listen while they're commuting, lunch, things like that. So the long form content for me is about 45 minutes, you know, but the videos on, you know, the clips and stuff on social media, that's where you get the reactionary stuff.
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Yes. And I guess I expect it to a point, but like I said, they'll be commenting on something that the video had nothing to do with.
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I'll, you know, for example, we're going to talk about Nick Shirley here in a minute.
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Sure. And I'll get a bunch of comments in there about Trump.
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I never said anything about Trump.
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Exactly.
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So, yeah, Nick Shirley, let's go there because just before I came on, you know, in recent news, they passed this Nick Shirley Act in California.
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Yeah. They claim it's veiled in a way that is supposed to protect people's privacy, as in doxing and things like that.
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And they also claim that it's to protect people from having violence put onto them.
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So I believe most people can see through this pretty clearly.
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A lot of the comments that I see and a lot of the major pundits will make the comment, well, he's not a real journalist.
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He's just somebody going around with a camera or phone or what have you.
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I'm not exactly sure what a real journalist is.
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I mean, for example, if you work for CNN, you're not a cop.
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You don't have any authority.
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Nobody owes you anything in terms of giving you an answer.
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And it's no different for somebody who just grabs a camera and goes and investigates something.
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neither one of these are investigative bodies. They are both trying to presumably find an answer
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to something. So this idea that he's not a real journalist, I find a little bizarre.
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What's your take on that? Well, my take on this law is really
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trying to avoid scrutiny and accountability is all it is. And we got to go back to defining what
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a journalist is. I mean, is it literally just someone who's given the nod or the pat on the
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back with a badge and a name tied to a large media company, let's say like Fox, for example,
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not calling Fox out, but just saying that it's recognizable.
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Just an example.
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Sure.
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And so is that what it's become?
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Does that mean that nobody else in the world has a right to question or take investigatory
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measures upon themselves?
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That doesn't make any sense to me whatsoever.
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So Nick Shirley is someone that rose primarily on X.
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and I remember when he was coming up
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and the reason he got big,
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let's just back up.
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The reason he got big
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is because he got platformed
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by a larger account.
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I think it was Tucker Hadamon
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or something or talked to him,
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something like that.
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I could be wrong,
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but it was someone like that.
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And then all of a sudden,
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he blew up.
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Now, if it wasn't for that,
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he wouldn't be as big as he is.
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But at the same time,
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I'm not going to discredit him
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because he's uncovered actual fraud.
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He's brought things to light
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with his platform.
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So he took the opportunity
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that he got and the platform that he got and ran with it.
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And he's literally a citizen journalist.
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Now, sure, maybe he's not a professional in the sense that he's not getting,
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because what really separates a professional from an amateur, right?
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It's just a paycheck.
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If you're doing a professional, you're getting paid to do it.
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So he does get money from, I'm sure, from social media.
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I'm sure he gets things from being a creator.
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Oh, absolutely.
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What's sickening about this is they want to discredit him,
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say he's not a real journalist because he's a citizen journalist well let's let's backtrack i
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remember when people realized that the mainstream media was lying to you and and they decided well
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we're gonna take this into our own hands because we found out that they are lying for many many
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years uh not every outlet but you know for the most part that that was that was the norm and
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people were like oh okay so that's when you had people like nick shirley starting to come up and
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question and he would go from location to location and actually try to get in there.
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And that was a difference he was doing versus people just commenting on platforms like X,
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for example.
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He said, well, maybe I should just go there.
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To me, that is what a journalist does.
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They ask questions.
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They confirm the question by interviewing people, by getting firsthand account and knowledge
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of the event or situation.
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This is exactly what he's doing.
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So I'm not sure how they can say he's not a journalist at this point.
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I think this law with California is just a way for them, again, to avoid accountability.
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It's no different than when Gavin Newsom not long ago said, well, I don't know where the money is.
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You can't audit the missing $24 billion.
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Literally said that.
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Like, what do you mean you can't audit it?
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That doesn't make any sense.
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So this is just California trying to cover their own butts.
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This is them trying to not be under the heat lamp, so to speak, right?
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They don't want to be exposed because they do have some mainstream media people in their pocket.
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Nick is not in their pocket.
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They don't like that.
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And the way that they are acting, California representatives themselves, I forgot the individual, but the man that came up to his face and was trying to harass or yell at him.
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And this is an elected official.
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Okay, so who's more credible at this point, right?
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Yes.
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So how is this to protect them from being doxxed?
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I don't understand.
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And what it is is to protect them from being named as either accomplices or people that were directly involved or the people that committed these alleged crimes or fraud manipulation coercion commingling of funds even in some cases So I think that all this was because they know they can trust an
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independent journalist like Nick Shirley because he's not beholden to anybody.
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But they know that if a mainstream media outlet calls,
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they might have a connection and go, hey, you need to shut this guy down.
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They can't do that with an independent journalist.
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So that is the whole reason I see them getting behind and passing this.
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To me, that's the only reason.
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Yes. I find it one of the more outlandish violations of rights because here's why.
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The term free speech gets thrown around a lot.
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And quite honestly, most of the people who use the term are using it incorrectly.
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It doesn't apply in as many cases as people think it does.
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But here's a case where you have a direct parallel of the government trying to shut somebody up.
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That's exactly what the First Amendment is for.
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You know, you're saying something the government doesn't like, so they can't shut you down.
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That's exactly what it's for.
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And this is a classic case.
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Well, it's not federal, it's state, but nonetheless, the idea here is we don't like what this guy's saying and we need to shut him up.
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That's exactly it.
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I mean, First Amendment free speech is, what people don't realize, it is exactly what you said.
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It's to protect your right to free speech against the government and governing bodies.
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Like you have a right to criticize.
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You have a right to call out.
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And it's especially important when we consider this democratic republic in which we have to elect officials to represent us.
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Well, if they're not representing you the way that you thought because they lied to you or they're not doing the job they're supposed to, then you should be able to call them out and question them and give them your commentary or opinions based on their job performance.
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but it doesn't extend to you or me having an argument and me you know for example insulting
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you that's not what free speech is you know protections about you don't have a right to use
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your free speech to incite violence or to try to get people organized to basically uproot and
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overthrow the government i mean you could it's in our constitution that you can we do have a right to
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overthrow a tyrannical government.
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But if that's not the case,
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you're not really
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protected under free speech. I think
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the government in general
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has been very loose
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on this because they
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don't want to be scrutinized or get the pushback
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from the citizens. But technically,
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a lot of what we see that people
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claim to be protected under free speech is not.
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And they literally do not necessarily have
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the right to say the things or do
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the things that they do. A protest
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is one of them. You have a right to peacefully protest. You don't have a right to protest and
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do whatever you want, how you want, where you want. Many times it's organized and you're said
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or told by officials that, sure, we're not going to fringe on your right to protest,
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but you got to do it over here. And you can't be violent and you can't stop people from driving
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their cars down the highway, for example. Those are things you're not allowed to do.
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But I think our government has been very lax and loose in actually enforcing policy
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as it was written or meant to be interpreted in the Constitution
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because they don't want to be scrutinized.
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Because right now, it's volatile as it is.
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I mean, we saw it was volatile under Biden and under Trump.
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It's also volatile.
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And I think a lot of people have mistrusted the government on either side.
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So I think to some degree, they're kind of hands off
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and just kind of letting things play out and see where the chips fall.
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But as far as California goes, free speech does extend to the press.
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And that means they have a right to ask questions.
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They should be able to ask questions and investigate.
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So, yeah, there's rules.
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I mean, I agree.
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You can't just dox somebody, right?
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You have to do due diligence.
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It has to be backed by actual real investigations.
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It has to be corroborated by other individuals.
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But all in all, Billy, I think California has been a problem for many years.
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The government here does not look out for their people.
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And I live in California.
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And I just interviewed the other day a California Senate candidate.
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And we talked about a lot of this.
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And so we hope that it turns around.
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But this whole thing is Nick Shirley is very ridiculous.
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It's basically California telling everyone in California that we can do what we want and you can't question it.
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And if you're not an approved person that we consider worthy to take our time and talk to, then you're not allowed to talk to us at all.
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Like the public cannot address us.
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That's what they're saying.
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Yeah.
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That's exactly what they're saying.
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It's like I said, the idea that it's in California right now, but what always worries me about things like this is, is it going to grow and is it going to become more severe?
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is going to become more restrictive.
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And that's something that we're going to definitely have to watch.
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One of the other biggest stories that is getting a lot of attention
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is Lindsay Clancy.
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Yes.
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And for those of you that may not know,
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Lindsay Clancy is on trial at the time of recording No Vertic Jet
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for killing her three.
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Are they actually in the sentencing phase?
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Is that correct?
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I'm not exactly.
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Because she pleaded guilty.
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I believe that's where they are now.
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I've been in and out because I'm pretty busy.
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But this is what I understand based on what I have spoken about.
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And so, I mean, first, let's just address the children.
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Sure.
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And let's talk about the kind of person that she may or may not be.
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But here's what happened.
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she allegedly well not allegedly because i can't say allegedly see that's the thing i'm not i'm not
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sure what the official court rooting is we'll say allegedly but here's she admitted to killing her
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three kids this is why i say that billy's because her defense admitted that she killed her kids
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okay so at what point is it still alleged but okay i'll i'll use i'll use the term allegedly
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so just in case but her own defense admitted that okay so there's no denial
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And so what I believe was going on or from what I read, this whole thing was really her and her defense team trying to shift blame.
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Tried to shift blame to the husband.
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Tried to shift blame to her mental care practitioners.
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Tried to shift blame to everyone else except for her.
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And when you think about the act, it's like she strangled, first off.
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Strangling is an up-close personal.
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You got to look that person in the eyes or whatever,
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but you are not just shooting them and walking away from a distance.
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You got to get up there and personal.
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So there's motivation, there's hatred, there's a lot of emotion,
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but first off, there is motivation because you have to physically get out there,
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get that person, and do that heinous act.
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And so the other thing that is glossed over and was mentioned a little bit,
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the kids were five years old three years old and eight months so how do you go from one kid to
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another to the eight year old i mean eight month year old and just continue to proceed to choke
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your children yeah the other thing is no matter what the defense is she sent her husband out
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to go pick something up that day and then brought her children down to the garage or whatever and
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then this is when she carried out the act well that sounds like premeditation now i'm not a lawyer
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But based on what I've read, sounds like premeditated murders.
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What sounds like, what's how it reads anyway, allegedly, I guess.
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Right.
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But so what's really appalling to me is first off, you know, that, that ended up self-assisting.
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But what's appalling is the amount of women who stood up to support her.
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That's the thing.
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And say, well, you don't understand what it's like.
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Well, the women in videos who are saying that, well, there's times I want to kill my kid and joke.
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You have no idea what it's like being a mother.
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okay, maybe I don't.
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I'm a man.
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But do you know what it's like being a father?
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Right?
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It's like, how does any of this justify someone killing their children,
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like physically killing their children?
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It just doesn't.
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So we live in the upside down right now.
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I think this world is getting stranger and crazier every day.
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It really is.
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This is something that should never have been celebrated ever.
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to me there's
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nowhere in my world where there's a gray area here
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now I can get the defense where she was heavily medicated for six months
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on different medications etc
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but the way the act was carried out wasn't something
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that seemed to be very spur of the moment or emotional based on
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how she was chemically balanced or inbalanced
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in her mind or body it was really she sent her husband out
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away so he couldn't intercede
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right she did what she did
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and proceeded to cut her wrists and
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throat and jump out a second story window
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like this was planned
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so I don't know what the
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sentencing will actually be I think they're just
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trying to avoid maybe a death penalty I don't know
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if that's what was on the table I'm not sure what the actual sentence
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is supposed to be but
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the defense is trying to shift blame so that
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she's not held accountable for her actions
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and it's
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crazy
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what's odd is the
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amount of people that have
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come out to defend this. And I know you use the word that we shouldn't be celebrating it. And a
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lot of people say, well, nobody's celebrating. Well, there were journalists in the audience,
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in the courtroom, smiling and grinning and mugging for the camera. This was all,
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you know, a thing that they really do want to get behind. And I want to be clear here, what,
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you know, postpartum depression, you know, being on any number of different
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drugs, legal or illegal, PTSD, coming from a bad environment where you're inured into a violent
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lifestyle. These are all components of someone's defense. And they might apply more in some cases,
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not in other cases, but the idea is bigger than this. We are now in a situation where there is an
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enormous percentage of people that will excuse somebody that's in their group, no matter what
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they do or how heinous it is. And the amount of women that have come out and really think that we
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should have empathy and sympathy for this and that this was, you know, the system failed her
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and we should all hang our heads over this. If everybody who had postpartum depression did this,
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we would have a completely different world.
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We'd have to have guards on mothers.
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And typically, this is something that happens
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postpartum depression.
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There's different variations of it.
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I'm not a psychologist,
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but typically the one that most people experience,
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most young mothers experience,
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lasts for a very short period of time.
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I mean, it's a month or two or whatever.
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Yeah, usually it's not,
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if you had an eight-month-old
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and you're still carrying postpartum,
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I mean, there's other issues going on.
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Now, look, this is what I'm going to say.
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And I've said this previously.
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Why should we be sympathetic to whatever it is that she had to go through as a mother, allegedly because of postpartum?
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And she's blaming, not her directly, but people support her blaming the system.
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Oh, they failed her.
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They didn't diagnose.
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They didn't treat her correctly.
24:50
Okay, so great.
24:51
I understand there is an argument there, but why do we not have the same sympathy for Ed Gein?
24:59
Ted Bundy, the Night Stalker, Richard Ramirez, or Charles Manson?
25:04
Because the system failed them as well.
25:05
We didn't treat them mentally, you know,
25:08
go look after their mental health before they committed the act they did.
25:11
Many of these people did get diagnosed by someone or saw, you know,
25:15
seen by somebody when they were growing up in school or whatever.
25:18
Where's the sympathy for these people?
25:19
Why does it extend to them?
25:20
Because they murdered people?
25:22
Well, what did this lady do?
25:24
Why is that excusable?
25:26
Well, I'll tell you where things have really turned.
25:29
was Casey Anthony. Okay, you know, Casey Anthony was, you know, acquitted. She was not convicted.
25:37
She walked out of the courtroom and she was reviled by women all across the country.
25:44
And I guess, I guess you could say, well, all right, well, Casey Anthony was a sociopath. Well,
25:49
okay, if that's true, system failed her. And hey, she was a sociopath. She killed her kids.
25:55
I guess you gotta let that go And that where we at That where we at with this case And I don like the idea that violent crime I not for insurance executives getting shot on the street
26:14
I'm not for anybody getting shot on the street.
26:17
I don't want to see citizens shot on the street.
26:19
I don't want to see any types of heinous acts committed against anyone, regardless of the attacker's political leanings.
26:27
I don't care. I don't care if they're conservative or liberal or what they are.
26:32
We cannot allow. We cannot condone.
26:35
We cannot take such a lighthearted stance to violent crime.
26:40
That is my issue with this.
26:41
And it just seems like every case that comes up now is another step in that direction of being okay with it.
26:47
it's i hate to say this but it's almost like you know we're living in one of those movies where
26:54
you know hell breaks the you know third or fourth plane and the demons are running around the earth
27:00
all of a sudden you know it's like watching one of those movies because you know you got to ask
27:05
yourself like what is behind the acceptance of this behavior or these behaviors you know why is
27:11
it suddenly okay you know and if you look at the progression of this i mean if we want to really
27:16
really, really point out part of the issue.
27:21
I'm not going to debate abortion.
27:23
I'm just going to use this as an example.
27:25
Sure.
27:26
The acceptance, not just the acceptance of abortion,
27:29
but the acceptance of longer-term abortion,
27:34
like up to six months, then it's eight months,
27:36
then it's whatever.
27:37
Now it's almost too full-term from what I hear.
27:41
And so you've seen the incremental acceptance
27:44
of getting to the point where it's like, eh, you can kill your child.
27:50
Now, the question is going to be, where's society going to draw the line?
27:53
Because apparently you can kill the five-year-old and everyone's okay with it.
27:56
But what if they turn 10?
27:57
Is that where we draw the line?
27:59
Or is it until they're 18 and they're still under your roof?
28:01
I don't understand.
28:02
What are we doing?
28:04
None of it makes sense.
28:06
It's just all crazy.
28:07
You're not being livid.
28:08
That's a fair question.
28:10
And the only thing I will say is this.
28:12
I know that, you know, men get a bad rap these days.
28:15
Men are so terrible.
28:16
And I grew up around alpha males.
28:18
I don't know if I was one or not, but, you know, a lot of them never said a politically correct thing in their life.
28:25
And I got to tell you, even in my darkest moments around these guys, in my darkest moments when we were really talking shit, I never, ever once, and even in our most private moments, heard any of them defend somebody,
28:39
defend a man who killed his children or beat his wife.
28:43
No, not going to happen.
28:43
Not once ever.
28:44
No.
28:45
Not once ever.
28:47
No, you're not.
28:51
That's what's crazy.
28:52
That's what's crazy, right?
28:53
I really don't know what else to say about this other than I'm not going to understand
28:59
what these women are talking about.
29:00
And I honestly don't want to come to their level because to me, that's just a huge lack
29:05
of morality.
29:05
it's really on the border of just tearing apart the fabric of humanity
29:11
as far as I see it.
29:14
And especially Western society or our society here in the United States of America,
29:20
which is where the crime's committed.
29:21
So it's like none of this really makes sense whatsoever.
29:25
And it makes you wonder, I'm not getting religious, but damn, are we at end times?
29:29
Or like, what's going on here?
29:30
Because I'm seeing the progression of crazy stuff happening
29:32
almost every day that makes you wonder,
29:37
makes me wonder, why me? Why this timeline?
29:40
What's going on? And I've seen the changes.
29:44
I've seen the changes from when I was a kid to now. It's like it has ramped up the craziness.
29:48
It can be overwhelming, for sure.
29:52
Yes, it can. You're in California.
29:56
How are the data centers being looked at in California?
30:00
it's you know it's it's one of the where i live for example that just came up okay um allegedly
30:08
some city council people were approached or lobbied for a data center allegedly you know a
30:13
lot of these people will basically say things and throw breadcrumbs out to see who bites and see how
30:18
people accept things and whatnot so i take it with a grain of salt but i think that here so far data
30:26
centers are looked at just about as much, you know, or similar as everywhere else in
30:31
the U S I think there's a big misconception about data centers and I'm probably a flack
30:35
for it, but I, I see that where they could be harmful.
30:39
Um, but I also see where there are companies that are building data centers that are trying
30:43
to build their own off grid power sources and, and other resources to make sure that
30:49
they're not taxing, you know, the citizens that like the system.
30:53
Yeah, they're just not taxing the cities or the towns.
30:57
So if they're doing that, I'm not sure how detrimental they are.
31:01
Now, I keep hearing about how they poison the waters and whatnot, but I'm not sure I've ever seen a definitive report that actually proves that.
31:11
But I'm still open to like, if it is, then okay, I see the point.
31:17
Now, where I'm going with this is I'm kind of opposed and not opposed because there's a couple of things here.
31:22
one it it definitely adds a lot of jobs now then we can argue who's getting those jobs
31:29
and if you want to get into that i can and then we can also um talk about well the u.s needs more
31:37
data centers because this is this is a global competition um china's been leading the charge so
31:43
it's who's going to win out in this because as of now china's military has been having ai applied
31:51
to, we can call it decision making.
31:54
They have advanced robots and other things that incorporate AI
32:00
where it seems like the US looks to,
32:02
or at least they're not revealing what's really going on,
32:04
but we seem to be behind.
32:06
And so there is a race in terms of like,
32:10
who's going to own the AI space.
32:12
And you think it would be the US since we have,
32:15
you know, like Google and chat,
32:17
GBT and open AI and all these other things.
32:19
We have SpaceX, Elon Musk who did Grok.
32:23
And you would think it'd be the US, but it really doesn't, there's no indication that that's actually going to be true.
32:30
So this is another war, really.
32:34
It's a war to own the artificial intelligence space is what it is.
32:38
So if we're not doing what we need to do to keep up with the rest of the world, we're either going to lose our place as a global leader or we're just going to get left behind altogether and we're just going to be owned.
32:48
I mean, that's just the truth.
32:51
So that's my opinion.
32:51
But as far as how California is seeing it, I think it's a mixed bag.
32:54
I think it's basically like whatever you're hearing around the country, to be quite honest.
32:58
I mean, there's some people who are informed, and there's others that just live on the surface of information, see the headline, and they go, oh, okay, I guess we can't have that.
33:07
Everyone's dying.
33:08
People are walking around with tumors on their back because a data center opened.
33:13
Like, oh, okay.
33:15
It's convoluted.
33:18
And it's hard to decide what's going on, but the reality is this.
33:21
We either got to play ball and jump in the game or we're going to be out of it.
33:25
And AI is eventually going to determine who's going to be the global powers.
33:30
And the U.S. may not be that if we're not keeping up with the change.
33:35
So there's my answer on how people seem to view it and a little bit of my opinion.
33:39
Back in my day, the boogeyman was those big power lines that crossed the country in the steel grid towers.
33:50
Those were the things that were going to kill you.
33:52
And more recently, we've had 5G.
33:56
Everybody was all upset about that.
33:57
That was going to kill you.
33:59
And I don't know what they're going to say about 6G.
34:01
That's about 18 months, two years away.
34:03
But it's extremely fast compared to 5G.
34:07
It's not just one step up.
34:08
I mean, it's a whole other level.
34:09
So I don't know how long we're all going to survive that.
34:13
But I'm very hesitant to get on the panic bus about these data centers.
34:19
Now, they're going to have issues, of course.
34:22
I know a lot of people bring up the amount of water that they use.
34:26
You know, beef, beef industry, the coffee bean industry, all of these things use more water than data centers do.
34:35
and here again, I'm not in any way, shape or form saying that these are harmless
34:40
or something that we shouldn't keep an eye on.
34:42
They're new and it's just like with any other industrial thing
34:46
that we are implementing in our society.
34:48
We got to keep an eye on it to make sure it's safe
34:50
and it's properly regulated and so forth.
34:53
But the idea that this is, oh, we have people over in Ohio
34:57
with signs all over the place, no data centers.
34:59
I really agree with you.
35:02
China's ahead of us in a lot of ways.
35:04
We don't need to get behind the eight ball with AI.
35:09
You know, the Pentagon admitted they can't stop the hypersonic missiles.
35:13
And I don't know where all this money that, you know, I'm not against a big budget for defense.
35:21
All these trillions of dollars that they spend, I'm not against that.
35:24
But I'd like to know where it's all going.
35:26
We don't have enough missiles apparently in Iran.
35:29
Where's all this money going?
35:31
I know.
35:32
Well, that's what they say.
35:33
they say we don't have enough missiles you got you got to understand when it comes to conflict
35:37
you know part of conflict is misdirection yeah right so i i don't know the actual truth on that
35:42
and if the government was really themselves low on munitions why would they tell everybody publicly
35:46
why would they tell their enemy that or whoever they're in conflict with so i i'm taking that
35:51
with a grain of salt but as far as data data centers go we already have them we've had them
35:58
What do people think AWS is?
36:02
What do they think cloud servers are?
36:05
They're trying data centers.
36:07
Meta, for example, huge.
36:08
Google, they've all had these for a long time.
36:11
And I'll even go back to SETI.
36:13
I don't know if you know what that is or remember what they are.
36:15
But basically, it was an organization that was trying to explore space and see, is there life?
36:24
Is there aliens?
36:25
but what they did there was this thing where you would be able to allow them to use extra resources
36:31
by piggybacking off of your computer somehow i'm not sure how it actually worked but technically
36:36
they were able to use the entire world as a giant data center um especially when it came to resources
36:42
so i i get it i get i get the concern but the unfortunate reality is you know we've been in the
36:53
data age, I mean, since the 90s.
36:57
And we've just been putting off, you know,
37:01
flipping the switch. I mean, I don't want to see
37:05
large, let's put it this way. The one thing I don't want to see is the urbanization
37:09
of every damn inch of land in the United States. I want to see
37:13
trees and grass. I want to have the open air. And the only thing that I fear
37:17
is with data centers is those resources
37:21
that we all enjoy are just given way to the race to become the king of ai for example
37:27
and we've we've seen that with many small towns that have been forced to be like these cookie
37:32
cutter um places where you have the same mcdonald's the same you know hardware store home depot lowes
37:40
whatever like no matter where you go there's no more characters no more individual um culture in
37:45
anything. It's just one big
37:48
giant, you know, I
37:49
don't know what you call it. I mean, I guess a culture, but
37:52
it's like there's no
37:53
individuality or uniqueness anymore, no matter
37:55
where you go. And so I think the data
37:57
centers could further push
38:00
that along because, hey, we
38:02
need to be first. We're in this
38:04
race to be first in the world, but with
38:05
that, we're going to have to
38:07
appropriate your land. And
38:09
we're going to have to build this because it benefits
38:12
the United States. So there's
38:14
a lot of different arguments and ways to look at it.
38:15
But reality is if we're not in, we're out.
38:19
And then how we figure out everything else in between.
38:21
I mean, that's where the arguments are going to really be.
38:23
It's not whether or not we need to do it.
38:25
It's how are we going to do it that benefits everybody and still allows us to live as humans within the towns and cities we live in.
38:34
Yeah.
38:35
I think that's going to be the bigger issue.
38:37
I drove from, my wife and I did drove from Ohio to Florida in June.
38:42
Boy, that's a long drive.
38:44
And I was really amazed as you go down the highway, you know, the train changes a little
38:52
bit and gets a little bit more hilly.
38:54
It a little bit more forestry and but it the same signs It the McDonald it Subway you know the same gas stations and even the different lawyers in the different regions must be all using the same advertising firm because it the same slogans with different names
39:16
And yeah, we joked that we drove to Florida to have, we went to a roadhouse or one of those kind of places.
39:26
you know, and we could have done that in Ohio.
39:32
And I think the personality of the country is shifting, like you said.
39:40
I remember when I traveled when I was little with my mom and dad, and there was a distinct,
39:44
when you were in North Carolina, you felt like you were in a different country, a different world.
39:48
I mean, the cooking, the hotels, everything was that Southern appeal.
39:57
And I didn't see that on my trip in June.
39:59
I didn't see it.
40:00
I just saw more McDonald's, more Subway, all those places.
40:09
That's what I've noticed also.
40:11
I mean, we've been fortunate enough to find certain towns or destinations that still have their charm.
40:18
But you can see it slowly being eroded away.
40:23
Every time you go to visit, there's just a little bit more of an encroachment on the plan to turn everything into whatever it is that whatever organization is behind it.
40:34
I don't know.
40:35
We get conspiratorial.
40:36
But there really does seem to be a concerted effort to make everything the same, no matter where you go.
40:42
Like everything from the push for 15-minute cities.
40:47
And I know a lot of people say, oh, let's not get into that.
40:50
WEF stuff.
40:51
Well, I'm sorry, but California literally did bring it up when it came to the Palisade fires and when they're trying to rebuild it.
40:56
Instead of pushing to rebuild the homes, they're trying to push for, hey, wouldn't it be great if we just build all these apartments?
41:02
We're going to go ahead and we're going to let this happen.
41:04
And then with that, we're going to try to make sure that whatever you need is in 15 minutes.
41:09
Oh, wait, you're referring to 15 minutes.
41:10
I thought that was a conspiracy.
41:12
And then they said the same thing about Dublin, California.
41:15
I'm like, hmm, okay.
41:17
Maybe there's some validity to some of the things that are considered kooky or fringe or outside crazy.
41:23
But it doesn't justify every conspiracy.
41:26
I'm just saying that there does seem to be a movement.
41:30
There is something out there, organization, shadow government, whatever, that does seem to be driving America towards whatever it is that is not America anymore.
41:42
All the way from open borders.
41:45
to like, and that's another thing
41:47
we, I don't understand, Billy.
41:49
I mean, I'm not going to talk about immigration
41:50
and whether or not people have a right to
41:52
seek asylum because they do, but you still have to
41:54
prove it. It's not given.
41:57
But at the same time,
41:58
when it comes to borders, they never should be open.
42:01
I mean, borders define your nation, your
42:02
sovereignty, they protect your culture, they protect
42:04
what you are. And so
42:06
it's as if the U.S. is under
42:08
more scrutiny about their borders than any other
42:10
country in the world. It's as if
42:12
they want the U.S. to be nothing more than an
42:14
economic zone. And that's
42:16
not what we are.
42:18
So it's just very interesting to see
42:20
the push by
42:22
nefarious actors, organizations from the outside
42:24
trying to shape this country into
42:26
what we're never going to
42:28
recognize again. But the people being born,
42:30
the generations to come, they're not
42:32
going to lose a difference either. So is it going to really
42:34
make a difference is the question. I don't know.
42:36
I really don't.
42:38
It would be sad to see what this
42:40
country was built on just lost
42:42
to the wind.
42:43
Yeah. Well, that's what the left takes the idea that we should have secure borders as being anti-immigration.
42:51
No, we just don't want people pouring across and we don't know who they are.
42:54
Of course, they always have a way of answering no, that's racism, that's this and that.
42:59
So before I let you go, I'm not exactly sure.
43:05
We talked about we don't know where we stand on certain things anymore.
43:09
I don't know exactly what is going on with Iran.
43:13
I think if I had to define it from the best I can is we're stuck.
43:24
We're in a stalemate.
43:25
And I think the president and his administration thought that once they toppled the government,
43:35
once they cut off the head of the snake, that the regime was going to fall.
43:41
And I think a lot of people thought that there was a movement in Iran for a revolution prior to this.
43:47
That's when they killed all those tens of thousands of people.
43:51
And we went in under the premise of, well, we've got to get their nuclear capabilities.
43:57
Well, we don't have their nuclear capabilities out of there.
44:00
Now the straits in play.
44:03
And first it's open, then it's not.
44:04
Then it's open, then it's not.
44:05
Then it's open, then it's not.
44:06
And I don't think people really have an appreciation for how big Iran is.
44:12
It's much bigger than Iraq.
44:14
You know, it's like half the United States.
44:17
And it's very mountainous.
44:20
It's very treacherous.
44:23
And they have those nuclear supplies buried under a lot of mountain rock.
44:29
And even those busting, bunker busting bombs that go beneath the surface and explode can't quite reach them.
44:40
So I'm not sure where this is going to go with this particular regime in place.
44:46
Because as long as that regime is in place, they're not going to hand them over.
44:50
I don't think we're going to send ground forces in there, which may be the only way to get them out.
44:56
So I don't know what's going to happen here.
44:58
Do you have any predictions?
45:02
I don't have a prediction.
45:05
So I would say that there's a lot going on here that people overlook or gloss over because they choose to ignore the history and relationships around the world, literally geopolitics.
45:18
And the one thing I could say about this Iran situation, I have my opinions.
45:24
I personally don't think the Islamic regime should exist.
45:26
That's just how I feel.
45:27
No one's ever going to sway me different.
45:30
I think this can's been kicked down the road for nearly 50 years and Trump is finally dealing with it.
45:34
The problem I have with how Trump's dealing with it, though, is he's a hammer.
45:38
And instead of moving forward with a plan that involved your actual allies, the only person that he decided to, or country or nation, rather, that he decided to align with in doing anything with Iran was Israel.
45:54
And I'm not anti-Israel, but that is like spit in the face of your other allies because it's like, well, hold on.
46:01
What goes on there also affects the UK and France and many other NATO nations because, I mean, gas fertilizer or whatever the hell it is comes out of the strait because it's right there.
46:13
So I think Trump's been a hammer and that's upsetting everybody because he's basically going, you know what?
46:19
I'm tired of this.
46:21
I'm just going to handle it without getting anyone else's input.
46:24
Or so it seems.
46:25
Now, we don't know what happens behind the scenes because I'm not the president.
46:28
I don't know what he's actually seeing or what he's being told.
46:32
But Iran needed to be dealt with.
46:35
Okay, we're talking about an area that was Persia that has slowly been turned into what it is over time.
46:44
I kind of want to say invasion.
46:46
I'm not trying to offend anybody, but let's just say that Islam slowly over many years turned that nation into what it is now.
46:53
Oh, absolutely.
46:54
It wasn't Islam, didn't exist.
46:56
That was not their religion.
46:58
And we're talking about a system of belief that is very much, as much as they deny it, is very political.
47:05
It's a system that breeds authoritarianism.
47:08
And that's exactly what it is.
47:09
They have an authoritarianism.
47:10
I'm sorry, an authoritarian theocracy as their government.
47:14
So you abide by the faith or you die or you're scrutinized or whatever it is.
47:22
And, you know, as much as they try to sweep those actions under the rug, they always seem to come to light.
47:27
I will say that in the nearly 50 years Islamic regime has been in power, I can't ever, ever get anybody to answer the question, which is how have they been a benefit to the Middle East this entire time since they took power?
47:41
What have they done to benefit the Middle East?
47:45
Nothing.
47:46
What they have done is they've harassed everybody.
47:49
okay and i and i know we're gonna have these anti-israel people that are gonna listen to this
47:53
and like oh it's the jews okay sure either we could have an argument for that but the reality is
48:00
we also have no answer for why iran has been allowed to antagonize oman and encroach on their
48:06
territorial waters all these years we also don't have an answer as to why the uk has never stepped
48:10
in one of oman's oldest ally by the way ever stepped in to defend oman or put iran in their
48:17
place and say, hey, wait a minute.
48:20
You don't have control
48:22
over here. Your side is over
48:24
here. It's over there.
48:26
And so
48:27
a lot of the waterways
48:29
in terms of shipping lanes, actually most
48:31
of the deepest parts where you can
48:33
travel literally
48:35
is through Omani
48:37
territory and
48:39
waters as well. But that's never
48:41
stopped Iran from harassing ships all
48:43
these years or boarding them
48:45
or stopping them
48:47
or imposing fees or fines depending on who they are
48:50
and what country they're tied to, etc.
48:51
So they've been doing this for years.
48:54
It's just come to light more because Trump stepped in
48:57
and people just don't like Trump apparently.
48:59
And so that's why it's bad now.
49:02
But the situation we're in, it's very telling of the world.
49:08
And in my opinion, it's funny how people are willing to tolerate evil
49:13
for the sake of certain conveniences.
49:15
and I do call them evil because I believe they are
49:18
I really do not care what anyone says
49:20
you're not going to convince me otherwise
49:21
I've done enough research on the history of Islam
49:23
I've done enough research on the conquests
49:26
and on their ideology
49:28
and what comes from it
49:29
and the unfortunate reality is
49:31
I'm also going to tell you this
49:33
and everybody else who wants to call me a racist
49:35
Muslim is not a race
49:36
Muslim literally defined as a person who practices
49:39
and worships
49:42
Islam
49:43
Islam. That's it. It's a religion. And so anyone can be a Muslim. I could be one. It's not race.
49:50
Sure.
49:51
And so we have an example of Islam itself, the religion, the way that the regime has been handling it has been used to coerce and control people.
50:03
Indonesia, by population, has the largest Muslim population in the world.
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But how many terrorist organizations do you hear that are Indonesian?
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the difference is how islam is being used by those who want to control the world period
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we don't see that in indonesia and in fact any terrorist organization that did
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come to light or try to rise in indonesia was because certain individuals wanted to go to the
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middle east to experience islam and they brought that back with them and then they started trying
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to i think it was three terrorist organizations that tried to rise up in indonesia and the
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government said well no we're not going to have this and they shut them down they did not allow it
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so the reason i bring that up is because we can we can sit here and say muslim bad islam bad
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personally i can care less about islam it's just not my thing and i i don't believe it's compatible
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with the west but at the same time it isn't right for me to just say all muslims bad because
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we don't see that in Indonesia.
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We just see it
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for some reason
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in the extreme practices
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in the Middle East and it has bled
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into Africa,
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Nigeria, many countries
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in Africa where Christians are being
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slaughtered by the thousands by
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Islamic terrorist regimes or
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organizations.
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So Iran needed to be dealt with at some
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point, period. It's just people
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don't like how it's being dealt with because it was
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trump it was going to happen sooner or later they also don't like it because oh my gas is more
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expensive well you've had i'm sorry but you know since 1979 or eight to deal with this uh there
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were pipeline proposals by many of the gulf states that nobody else wanted to back there was there
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was even i mean this would have been hard to do but there was also a proposal of a canal to be
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built to bypass the street of hormus nobody wanted to get behind it everyone was like oh no way we're
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good, you know, we'll just hands off.
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And then now here we are in the UK and France and everybody else is whining.
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Oh my God, it's expensive.
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I need my fertilizer, whatever.
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You've had plenty of opportunity.
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all these years to prepare for this type of situation.
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If they would have taken that away from Iran from the get-go,
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we wouldn't be here right now because that's all they had.
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How are they making their money?
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Oil.
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I mean, largely oil.
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You know, fertilizer is secondary.
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I mean, the U.S. is one of the top suppliers and producers of fertilizer.
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It's not just fertilizer you can get from Iran.
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There's plenty of places to get it.
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And so I think the world was tolerant of evil,
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and they didn't act because they figured,
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well, you know, they're not bothering me, directly anyway.
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and here we are she hits the fan and they're like uh who do we blame oh it's trump's fault well
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you also didn't get yourself in a position to prepare for any of this either so i think you're
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you're right to a degree that we are a stalemate and but we got to under we got to understand why
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we're at a stalemate we're at a stalemate because trump has publicly stated many times that he
52:56
doesn't want to see military personnel die and that is exactly what's going to happen if he goes
53:02
all in. He's afraid to go all in. I think
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he's been posturing and using the might of the U.S.
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military to try to get Iran to bend.
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He's firing from afar,
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right? Missiles from afar, just
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lobbying missiles and whatnot and
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just beating them, you know,
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death from above, so to speak. And it's like
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that only lasts so long before you actually
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have to send troops in.
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The American public doesn't want to see that. I believe
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Trump himself doesn't want to do that.
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And so here we are. It's either you're going to
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fight and finish them off, or you're going
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to have to realize that they called your bluff and you're just going to have to cut your losses
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that's just what it is so how are we going to defeat iran well you you got to get a buy-in
53:40
from your allies and you gotta you've got to come up with policies that you will actually enforce
53:45
and the other thing is it's too little too late all of a sudden it's like oh wait you're right we
53:50
should build bigger pipelines to the red sea or wherever else or maybe we should have considered
53:56
that canal should have done a long time ago.
53:59
Yeah.
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I mean, everyone in the world was complacent.
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This doesn't excuse the situation, by the way.
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I just pointing out how we got here It because people were tolerant of the regime because of convenience That exactly what it was In the 47 to 50 years they been in power they have not been a benefit
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to the Middle East whatsoever. And there's not
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one person that can point to me
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or anyone the benefits.
54:23
Yeah. I think it's a great
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point that you brought up about
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Muslims
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across the world generally
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are not much of a problem.
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It's just in that particular region when you start
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getting into the Islamist Sharia law, all of these other things.
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And here again, the American left, I don't get it.
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I think they're afraid of being called Islamophobic.
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But what goes on there with like women getting stoned
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because they allowed themselves to be in a situation where they got raped.
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That is so convoluted.
55:02
It was the woman's fault, right?
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Yeah, yeah.
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And so anyway, that's a complicated region of the world and there's a lot happening there.
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So anyway, George, I want to thank you very much for coming on the podcast today.
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We've been talking to George Fonts from the World Ablaze podcast.
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Where can people find you online, George?
55:24
Everywhere, Billy.
55:25
Everywhere, I think.
55:27
Well, I say that, but I don't work social media very well.
55:30
So you'll go to some of my social medias and it's like I don't have any followers because I don't have time.
55:34
it's really work it I podcast
55:36
I live stream I do all that and to me this
55:39
is more my medium I like having conversations
55:40
with people like you and really getting down to
55:43
the bottom of things through just learning
55:45
and having discourse but where they can find me
55:46
you can go to world
55:48
ablaze podcast.com
55:51
so there you can find many links
55:53
you'll find episodes etc
55:54
all my social medias are
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their handles are there and my handle is pretty
55:59
simple it's at fonts ablaze
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f-o-n-t-e-s ablaze
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so there's x there's instagram there's facebook there's tiktok uh substack and again i don't work
56:09
them all so if you want to follow me on social appreciate it uh that where you might get some updates and news but for the most part if you go to the website you know world of bliss podcast that that be more where you could find links and whatnot to actually listening to the podcast and or if you want to see any of the streams it be like on rumble and youtube and kick um and then
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i've started streaming on x also but i'm going between that and maybe uh twitch but regardless
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i'm out there um not too hard to find i don't i don't believe sure you're out there my name is
56:40
Billy Dees, you can find the Billy Dees podcast anywhere.
56:42
Podcasts are found.
56:43
We've been on all the major podcast platforms for over 10 years now.
56:47
I maintain social media a little bit, probably most commonly on X.
56:52
I'm at Billy Dees on X, which is the former Twitter.
56:57
I don't do too much with the tubes of the world because I've gotten too much stuff taken down.
57:03
And you know what?
57:04
But for the amount of effort that it takes to promote those channels, to operate those technically, to do them well, takes a lot of – and for somebody to say, well, you mentioned something about the weather, wink, wink, and have it taken down.
57:22
Or a certain type of shot, wink, wink, and have it taken down.
57:26
And what gets me is that I'm not a controversial type of person.
57:32
And those topics have been grazed so lightly in conversation and they've been done so objectively.
57:42
But if you even mentioned the one side versus the other, it gets taken down.
57:47
So, yeah, I'm not into it.
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Can I say something?
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Because I think that the medium of what they call podcasting or streaming, I don't know what it is anymore, TV show, whatever.
57:58
it's it's the problem is we're no longer able to get the content out to people and then you know
58:05
they can find it or we can get we can get it in front of people because now you know we're subject
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to algorithms yeah it's it's ai and and other scripts and programs are that are scanning
58:16
everything going yeah this is our platform and i'm not sure i really want to push you
58:21
i not sure we let anybody see your content so it gotten hard and it been a struggle on that front for I think everybody unless you got major push If you were a journalist on Fox or CNN before suddenly you got a podcast and you top of the charts because they got a million ad budget every month behind them
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Sure.
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And that's just what it is.
58:40
And that's the reality.
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So I'm disheartened by what this medium has become.
58:44
It's become big media.
58:46
Literally, it's become an industry.
58:47
And it's squeezing out the guys like you and I or you and me.
58:51
But it doesn't mean we should stop.
58:53
So just keep putting it out there.
58:54
I'm going to keep putting it out there.
58:55
There's always someone who's going to find you.
58:57
And that's just what it is.
58:58
It's going to be consistency and not intentionally misleading people.
59:03
Tell the truth based on the knowledge you have at the time.
59:05
I got to say that because things develop.
59:07
Sometimes something comes to light.
59:09
And so, yeah, just keep doing it.
59:11
Just keep pushing.
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I mean, never get disappointed.
59:14
It's just what it is.
59:15
We're always going to be swimming upstream.
59:17
That's just the nature of the game at this point.
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Yeah.
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The truth is always a work in progress, and sometimes you have to be able to talk about things to sift through it.
59:26
And it's over the past five years with one event in particular, a certain pandemic, they decided that one side wasn't worth talking about.
59:33
And a lot of those things that were said on that side turned out to be true.
59:36
But that's another subject for another time.
59:39
George, thank you very much, George.
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Thanks for hanging out with me today.
59:43
Appreciate it.
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Yes, sir.
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Thank you for having me on.
59:46
Awesome, of course.
59:47
saying we will talk to you again very, very soon.
59:54
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