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Evolution of Consciousness and the Course of Time -- Individual Yoga or Yoga of Divine Manifestation · Sri Aurobindo Studies

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Welcome everyone, Welcome to the Cultural Integration Fellowship.
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I'm very happy to have Santosh back who's going to speak on
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matters concerning evolution and how we can participate in this
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evolution which is which is going on.
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I'm sure you're familiar with this fact that integral yoga is
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a world transforming yoga. Of course, individual liberation
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is extremely important. The entire yoga is predicated on
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that. But the journey does not end in
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liberation. It does not end in moksha,
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there's still some travelling to do.
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In fact it is after that that a profound collaboration with the
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force of the mother begins to happen.
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And it is from that perspective, in its ultimate sense, that
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individual and world transformations has to be
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undertook, taken. But on that issue, it will be
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Santosh who will be shedding more light.
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So let me just quickly introduce him despite the fact that he
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does not need any introduction. Santosh has been studying
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Shivarvindo Shivarvindo's writing since 1971 and has a
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daily blog at shivarvindostudies.worldpress.com
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and podcast located at anchor dot FM forward slash Santosh Das
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Krinsky. He is the author of 20 books and
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is the editor in chief at Lotus Press.
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He is the president of the Institute for Holistic
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Education, a nonprofit focused on integrating spirituality into
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daily life. Video presentations, interviews
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and past podcast episodes are also available on the YouTube
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channel www.youtube.com. Forward slash at Santosh Krinsky
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8711 word Santosh Krinsky 871 So before I hand over the screen to
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santosh, I want to read a poem from Doctor Haidas Choudhury's
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collection The Rhythm of Truth and the title of this poem is
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Creative action. Truth is freedom and freedom is
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joy. Life is joyful expression of
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truth and freedom. Life is the rhythm of light
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breaking through darkness. It is the dance of spirit in the
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heart of matter, the music of silence beneath all surface
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turmoil, the drama of the unseen visible in tears and laughter.
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When a glimpse is caught of the formless light, when the message
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is heard from the soundless word.
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When the path is cleared for the gateless gate, the cup of life
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is filled to the brim with the ecstasy of creative action.
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Let's meditate for a minute at least, and then I will hand over
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the screen to Santosh. Welcome back, Santosh,
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over to you. Well, thank you.
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I'd like to first of all, welcome everybody who's joined
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us here today. And little housekeeping stuff
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looks like everybody's muted your microphones, which is
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great. But we do expect to have some
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time for what I find to be the most interesting part of these
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talks is some conversation between all of us after the end
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of the presentation. So we'll leave some time for
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that. We're going to do something a
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little bit unusual this time. You know, we sort of have these
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formulae that we accept after having studied Trioro Bindo for
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many years, that the evolution of consciousness developed forms
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and basically there's this evolution in process.
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But I don't know, until recently I wasn't really much concerned
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about, well, OK, let's look at the process and see what it
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looks like and see how it begins to correspond with what the
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scientists have to say about how these things happen.
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So actually the the title for the discussion today that I sent
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in was the evolution of Consciousness and the course of
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time, our spiritual destiny, and it turned into spiritual or
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collective destiny, which is fine because that's where it was
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going. But we're going to spend some
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time going through a brief history of time.
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With all due deference and respect to Stephen Hawking,
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we're not going to go back to The Big Bang or beyond that to
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whatever came before. Let's start just with the age of
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the earth when we get there. So as Kundan mentioned,
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historical yogic practice focused on individual salvation
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or liberation, and it was all an individual effort and it didn't
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really have an impact on anybody or anything else specifically.
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It wasn't geared towards that. The integral yoga focuses on the
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evolution of consciousness and the transformations needed to
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establish what Shri Aurobindo calls the next stage of that
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evolution, beyond the mental level that we now experience and
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share with each other. And he called that the supra
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mental beyond the mind. So if we look back at the
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history, first, let's let's think about for a moment whether
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all of this just happens randomly, whether forms come up.
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And because the forms develop somehow, consciousness is
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created by matter, which has been a philosophical position
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taken by many, many people over many years.
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In fact, there was a theory called the infinite monkey
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theory that said if you give a monkey infinite time and a
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typewriter, they're going to recreate all of the works of
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Shakespeare. OK.
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And that theory actually held some prevalence because under
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the laws of random chance that were held by this segment of
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humanity, of course that is possible.
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And if there's infinite numbers of universes and infinite
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possibilities, well, you could say, OK, it could happen.
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Well, actually a few years ago some scientists and
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mathematicians in Australia did some research on that and they
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came out with a mathematical model using the same underlying
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mathematics that said that a monkey could theoretically do
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it, but it would take longer than the lifetime of the entire
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universe for that to happen and therefore it was not a realistic
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scenario. Then they said, well OK, what
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happens if we take all 200,000 monkeys that exist on the planet
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and put them to work sort of serially in parallel to each
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other? Could they do it faster?
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And that also didn't work. So I think we can put the
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infinite monkey theory to bed finally and understand that
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forms do not create consciousness, but consciousness
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creates forms. If we look at it, everything we
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see around us, we don't put up these square boxes with plumbing
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and electricity and in everything and then say, oh,
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well, maybe we can live in that. It happens the other way.
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We say we need a place to live, so let's plan for how to create
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a space that works for us, for our bodies and our vital
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energies and our needs. And we build, we design, and
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then we build houses. So form follows function,
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planning leads to structure, and consciousness creates the
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material forms. With that background, we follow
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what trioral window basically said in in Savitri, and I'll
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read a very brief passage here. This is the sailor on the flow
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of time. This is world matters slow
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discoverer who launched into this small corporeal birth, has
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learned his craft in tiny bays of self, but dares at last
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unplumbed infinitudes, a Voyager upon eternity's seas.
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And so let's voyage with Sri Aurobindo and this sailor
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through time. So going back to the age of the
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earth, you could say using carbon dating and various other
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techniques, scientists say that that's about 4.5 billion years
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ago. And if we look at the first
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evidence of life emerging, it took 220 million years for the
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first signs of life to come out at 4.28 billion.
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Now please excuse me if you know, I'm taking information
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from scientists and there's a rounding error here of 20 or 30
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million years. That's sort of inconsequential
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in these timelines, so don't hold me to it.
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That exactly at 4.28 billion years ago, the first signs of
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life emerged. The first signs of
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photosynthesis were 3.4 billion years ago, but it was without
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oxygen and the first evidence of life on land was 3.2 billion
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years ago. An important step happened 2
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billion years ago. That's 2 1/2 billion years after
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the Earth was formed. There was the development or
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what are called eukaryotic cells.
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Eukaryotic cells are cells with membranes and a complex internal
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structure. And that's important because
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that becomes the basis of all of the beings that we later see
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emerge. Plants, fungi, animals,
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everything need this kind of complex cellular structure to
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create within each cell energy activity and various
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functionality. So the eukaryotic cells have
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this internal development and that includes things like
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mitochondria, which are the energy producing organelles,
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chloroplasts which in plants are the cells which convert sun
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energy into their material energy and their ability to
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create plant forms and also the basis for sexual reproduction
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eventually. So eukaryotic cells are
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extremely important back about a billion and a half years ago,
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that's 500 million years after eukaryotic cells develop, they
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split into three different forms that became the ancestors of
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modern plants, animals and fungi.
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The first recognizable animals 890,000,000 years ago for the
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power of impulsion, because we always say, well, animals have
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the power of impulsion, OK, They can move under their own motion
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565,000,000 years ago or 335,000,000 years after the
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first recognizable animals. So plants came on land about
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515,000,000 years ago, animals 500 million years ago and those
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famous dinosaurs 250 million years ago.
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Warm blooded proto mammals 233,000,000 years ago.
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The dinosaurs died off 66,000,000 years ago.
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Now they were coexistent with these original mammals, but they
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died off entirely with the asteroid.
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And what was the 5th planetary die off?
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And I didn't mention the earlier planetary die offs because these
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were basically still changes taking place in the earth
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structure that led to one or another catastrophic changes in
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the way life evolved. The early primates developed
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about 55,000,000 years ago, the higher primates 40 million years
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ago, and the great ape diversification 15 to 17,000,000
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years ago. And out of that line of
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development of the great apes between 2 and 2.8 million years
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ago, the first appearance of the human genus, the Homo genus
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appeared, and that was not modern man.
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Modern man, Homo sapiens, I use that term advisedly, appeared
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about 300,000 years ago, or about two million years after
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the first human species appeared, and we still share
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98.4% of the genes with the chimpanzee.
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After millions and millions of years, about 11,000 years ago,
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humans came to totally dominate the planet.
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And right now we're living through the 6th mass extinction
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event, human induced. And that becomes important
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because it provides an impetus for what needs to happen next,
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for the next stage of evolution to occur and for humanity to
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participate in that. Because we're now in a race
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between what you might call love and death.
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Love in the form of the next evolutionary stage, harmonizing
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all of the disharmonies that we face, and death in the form of
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the six planetary extinction that can take us with it.
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So essentially, we're looking at huge spans of time, and Trioro,
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Bindo and the mother talk about that.
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People tend to disregard that. They say, oh, the Super mental
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has been fixed into the consciousness of the Earth.
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And I've heard people talking about how they're on the way to
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being super mentalized personally.
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And I think that's marvelous if they can do it, But it's not
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according to what Trioro Bindo and the mother have said about
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that. OK.
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Each major transition that we've discussed led to changes in
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consciousness that could manifest.
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The consciousness needed a new form in order to hold and
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express that next level of energy, that next level of
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awareness and so. We see that progression with the
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timelines, that the times are enormous and we have to keep
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that in mind. But the line of development is
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pretty constant. And the way these forms
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developed, one is through what you might call mutation, where a
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former form is simply changed. And our friend Charles Darwin
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tells us that the evolution of forms happens through survival
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of the fittest and reproduction among those who were the fittest
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at that level, etcetera. But another way that it happens
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is through various lines of development, conscious
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development that join forces at various level and become
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symbiotic to one another. Now human beings have become
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symbiotic to plants. We expel carbon dioxide which
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they need to breathe and the plants expel oxygen which we
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need to survive. So we are symbiotes, you could
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say one being with the plants. But it goes even deeper.
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We talked about eukaryotic cells earlier.
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Well, one of the interesting things that happened is, and I
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don't know how deep into science, everybody is gone, but
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this is what I've spent my last couple of weeks doing.
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So you'll have to bear with me a little bit on this stuff.
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The mitochondria, the energy cells within our cells that
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convert nutrients into ATP, which is the chemical cellular
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energy that powers every cell in our body.
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They do not have human DNA, they have bacterial DNA.
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They are not human cells or cell organelles.
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They're called. It appears that what happened is
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that at some point the line of development of beings of
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bacteria that could convert nutrients into chemical energy,
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which we call mitochondria, were absorbed into the multicellular
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Organism, the eukaryotic cells that power plants and animals.
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And instead of dissolving them, digesting them, we made sort of
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a treaty with them. And the treaty is we'll keep you
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alive and give you a nice, comfortable, warm environment to
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live in, and you create energy for us.
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Now, scientists say we enslaved these bacteria to us, but I look
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at it more as a cooperative venture.
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Very similarly, none of us would be able to digest any food
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whatsoever if we didn't have a what are called probiotic
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bacteria in our intestines. We have entire colonies of
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bacteria that live very comfortably within us and carry
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out much of the digestive function that we need in order
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to have the nutrients that create our lives.
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So we've created another symbiotic relationship with
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another species, you could say, in order to exist.
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Interestingly enough, they recently have announced that
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there is a sea slug in the ocean that is able to do
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photosynthesis. This is the first animal they
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found that could do photosynthesis and the way it
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happens is these sea slugs eat a certain amount of the
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microscopic plankton or algae whatever it is in the ocean.
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And instead of digesting the chloroplasts, they incorporate
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them into their eukaryotic cells and they can go a year without
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eating again based on the photosynthesis that goes on.
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Now, you may all wonder where this is going and why we have to
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go so deep into this, but the next stage of evolution of
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consciousness requires new forms.
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And the mother has made that very clear.
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She's in various places said, well, maybe in the next stage of
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evolution we're not going to need to eat, or maybe in the
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next stage of evolution there won't be sexual reproduction.
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In other words, there are different ways that this can
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happen. Now, one of those ways is that
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genes that we have within us right now that are turned off
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might be turned on. And for example, there are
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animals out there that can regrow limbs when their limbs
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have been cut off and their stem cells go to work.
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They know just what to do and they recreate that limb.
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Well, those very same genes exist within us, but we're not
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using them. And so when we lose a limb, it's
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just we lost a limb and someone goes out and creates one out of
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metal or plastic or whatever they do and attaches it to you
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and in hopes that you can do something with that.
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But we also see these symbiotic relationships develop, and it
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may be that one of them might be that we incorporate something
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like photosynthesis into ourselves, just like we
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incorporated bacteria to run the cellular energy or bacteria to
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run the digestive system. So if we could do photosynthesis
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and convert energy directly from the sun, we wouldn't need to
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eat. Now, there's another way, and
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that is that people have been studying for many years the
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movement of energy through what we call the chakras, the energy
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centers, the the subtle energy centers.
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And if we can learn how to open those chakras and absorb energy
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directly, we may not need photosynthesis and we may not
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need anything else. We may become energy beings.
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Now this is all speculation, but it's speculation with a purpose,
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and that is that it is to push us out of our normal everyday
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way of looking at the world from our own individual egoistic,
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limited viewpoint and lifetimes. Because evolution doesn't take
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place within the span of one human's life.
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Everything we've talked about took 10's and hundreds or
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billions of years to occur. And so to say we're going to
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practice this yoga and become super mentalized overnight is
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not realistic, nor is it what Trioro, Bindo and the mother
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have to say about it. So we are in a race with time
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right now, and Trior Bindo gave us an answer.
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We human beings, as part of the evolution, the manifestation,
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the unfolding of the universal creation, are now at a stage
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where we can begin to consciously participate in that
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evolutionary process. Up until now, the process was
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driving itself through the Divine's impulsion, through
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forms that were not self-conscious.
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Now the Divine is driving that process through forms that can
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be self-conscious. And by doing that we can begin
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to consciously participate and support that movement.
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And as Rio Robindo has mentioned, that means that we
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could speed up the evolution. Now, when you talk about
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speeding up the evolution, they don't talk in terms of, I don't
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know, 50 years, 10 years, 20 years, OK?
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They talk about hundreds of years, maybe thousands of years,
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which in itself would be considered a miracle from the
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side of the evolution of the divine manifestation.
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And the the real issue we continually run into is we
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believe that the world revolves around us.
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It's our yoga. It's our realization, it's our
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health, it's our Wellness, it's our recognition of things, it's
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our liberation. But in reality, we are elements
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of that larger evolutionary process and we can't look at it
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in terms of one individual achieving realization.
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We need to look at it in terms of, and I like to use the
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example of a relay race. OK, you've got four people
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running a relay race and they run around the track and carry a
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baton and then they give it to the next person.
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They carry the baton, the next person carries the baton and
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it's only the 4th person, whoever reaches the finish line.
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All the other three were essential to the process of
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reaching the finish line, but they never get to see the finish
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line. All they did was carry the baton
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for a while and move the process forward.
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And if we shift out of our own egoistic personalities for a
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moment and look at it from this wider perspective of the
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consciousness of time and evolution, which is why we spent
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so much time earlier going through all those steps.
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I left out a few, but essentially, we are just
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carrying the baton forward and we may or may not even have
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realizations. Each one of us has a role to
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play. As Kundan mentioned at the
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beginning, it's important. And it's important because in
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order for the next stage of evolution to develop, there has
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to be both a texturing of consciousness in general among
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humanity and a change and updating of the forms that can
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hold and manifest that new level of consciousness.
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And a receptivity to that energy which is manifesting doesn't
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come from us, it comes from the divine.
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So with that in mind, let's look at what Trioro Bindo and the
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Mother have to say. And I'm going to read it just a
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few quotes here from letters on Yoga.
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Trioro Bindo states it would not be possible to change all that
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the ordinary life on earth in a moment.
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We have always said that the whole of humanity will not
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change the moment there is the descent.
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But what can be done is to establish the higher principle
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in the earth consciousness in such a way that it will remain
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and go on strengthening and spreading itself in the earth
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life. That is how a new principle in
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the evolutionary must necessarily work.
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But what we propose just now is not to make the earth a super
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mental world, but to bring down the Super mental as a power and
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establish consciousness in the midst of the rest, to let it
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work there and fulfill itself as mind descended into life and
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matter and has worked as a power there to fulfill itself in the
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midst of the rest. This will be enough to change
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the world and to change nature by breaking down her present
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limits. So the descent of the Super mind
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is not intended to create a patent universal medicine or
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change everything in the twinkle of an eye.
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It isn't going to happen, the mother emphasized.
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The manifestation of the Super mental upon earth is no more a
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promise, but a living fact, a reality.
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It is at work here, and one day will come when the most blind,
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the most unconscious, even the most unwilling shall be obliged
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to recognize it. And she continues.
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This great change is the appearance upon earth of a new
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race, which will be for man what man is for the animal.
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The consciousness of this new race is already at work upon
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Earth to enlighten all who are able to receive it and heed it.
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Now let's say this we're we have a short lifetime.
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We're very impatient. We want realizations.
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We want to have our own liberation.
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We want to have experiences. But some people get that.
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Many people get that because that's their role.
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But what about those who are here because some element of
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human life, some element that is blocking and obstructing this
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energy simply needs to be worked out.
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Now they have this famous apocryphal story that Thomas
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Edison had to fail 1000 times making light bulbs until he got
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one to work. What if one of us is here to
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overcome a certain force of desire or a certain limit of the
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ego, and we never, ever see an experience because we're failing
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and failing and failing and failing, but moving the baton
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around the track so that the next generation can pick it up
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and have a basis for it. It's almost like your monkey #22
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or #85 in the 100th monkey theory.
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OK, nobody recognizes that. No one knows anything special
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has happened. But after that 100th monkey
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happens and there's enough texturing of the consciousness,
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things can change and suddenly it becomes a power of all of
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humanity. And So what we're called upon to
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do, the individual destiny, is to move beyond our limit within
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the ego, move beyond our desired ambition to realize, but to try
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to do whatever we're called upon within our hearts as devotees,
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as awakened human beings, as aspirants for something greater.
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Do what we're called upon to do and face all of those obstacles
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and difficulties and issues and concerns, whether or not we get
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recognized for it, whether we recognize it within ourselves.
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We need to keep on keeping on and do it if we can, cheerfully,
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in spite of the difficulties and the obstacles, and we become the
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forerunners of that new race. Well, not necessarily
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participating in that in our lifetimes, because after all,
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you know, what's 1000 years in the lifetime of the planet, as
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we saw, it's not even a rounding error. 20 million years is a
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rounding error. And for this to happen quickly,
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we need to do a couple things. One is we need to make
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sufficient changes that we don't destroy ourselves in the
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interim. And secondly, we need to keep
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the aspiration alive and growing and radiating within us and
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around us so that we create the texture and the opportunity for
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that higher consciousness, that super mental force which is
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active on the planet to take hold, to disseminate itself and
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to create the holistic view and the harmony that it is here to
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resolve. To overcome all of the
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limitations and gridlock if you will, That the mental
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consciousness is created to overcome the forces of the mind
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that have LED us to our 6th planetary extinction event
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happening right now. So in Savitri, Shrioro Bindo
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inspires us with his vision of the role of the individual and
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the transformation process. I saw the omnipotence, flaming
39:35
pioneers over the heavenly verge which turns towards life, come
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crowding down the amber stairs of birth, forerunners of a
39:46
divine multitude out of the paths of the morning star they
39:51
came into the little room of mortal life.
39:57
I saw them cross the twilight of an age, the sun eyed children of
40:02
a marvellous dawn, the great creators with wide brows of
40:06
calm. The massive barrier Breakers of
40:10
the world and wrestlers with destiny in her lists of will.
40:15
The laborers in the quarries of the gods, the messengers of the
40:21
incommunicable, the architects of immortality.
40:28
Into the fallen human sphere they came.
40:31
Faces that wore the immortals glory still, voices that commune
40:35
still with the thoughts of God. Bodies made beautiful by the
40:39
spirit's light carrying the magic word, the Mystic fire
40:45
carrying the Dionysian cup of joy approaching eyes of a
40:50
diviner man, lips chanting an unknown anthem of the soul.
40:54
Feet echoing in the corridors of time.
40:59
High priests of wisdom, sweetness, might and bliss,
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Discoverers of beauty, sunlit ways and swimmers of Love's
41:09
laughing. Fiery floods and dancers within
41:13
raptures. Golden doors their tread one day
41:17
shall change the suffering earth and justify the light on
41:22
nature's face. Thank you, Santosh, so much to
41:48
absorb and thank you for taking us on the journey of evolution
41:56
and talking about, you know, our not only our existence, but even
42:03
our evolution needs to be symbiotic and what has been done
42:11
earlier needs to be incorporated so that we can develop further.
42:17
And this is very evident in how the organisms have responded to
42:22
evolution in the past that, you know, gave us a lot of evidence
42:29
for your persuasion. I hope you are turning this into
42:34
a book, you know, which is, which is absolutely fun,
42:37
beautiful in the sense that, you know, it challenges the dominant
42:45
evolutionary theory of Darwin, which is the survival of the
42:50
fittest. And I personally feel that the
42:53
survival of the fittest can only cause conflicts and disharmony
42:58
in the world. And that's not a very good place
43:00
to be. So, you know, the same data can
43:04
actually be interpreted from a different theoretical framework,
43:09
which can be beautiful for the humanity.
43:13
It's not, it's not the survival of the fittest, but it is a some
43:18
a symbiotic association and relationship amongst organisms
43:23
which has caused our evolution. It is evident from what has
43:29
transpired in the in the past. So as we dwell on this beautiful
43:36
topic, I want to open the floor for others to come in, make
43:41
their comments and pose questions if they have any.
43:48
Yes, Arunjit, please. Hi Santosh, it was an excellent
43:53
talk. I enjoyed your description of
43:56
the evolution and a lot of the scientific facts.
44:00
While you were talking, I was remembering an author I don't
44:04
know how many people know here. His name is Peter Russell.
44:09
He has written the Physicist. I think in the 90s he wrote a
44:13
book called Global Brain Awakens.
44:16
I read that long back. I think I still have a copy.
44:19
So in that he connects with some of the facts you were telling in
44:25
the beginning, then looking at all the living beings and living
44:29
organisms. And if you look at the earth,
44:32
earth itself is a living Organism because it knows how to
44:37
men obtain the percentage of oxygen at a constant level, but
44:42
to support the life and in a way self sustain.
44:46
So from that point he develops and then the whole solar system
44:50
is a living Organism, whole universe is a living Organism.
44:55
And he connects that with Upanishadic statements.
44:58
In fact he he is he is one of the book is translated
45:01
Upanishads also with somebody else.
45:04
So that is an interesting development in terms of
45:10
evolution there. One more, the question I was
45:15
asking is when we look at the global warming and the facts you
45:21
mentioned about reduction in biodiversity, it looks like it
45:28
is, it is engendered by human activities.
45:32
So in that respect, it looks like the collective
45:34
consciousness is coming down because humanity as a whole is
45:39
not able to look at those facts or look able to maintain the
45:46
biodiversity which is created by nature in billions of years.
45:52
So with that fact, when in that book Global Brain Awakens, Peter
45:56
Rosa shows a chart that if you look at humanity in the last 50
46:00
years, there's a chart in the last 25 years, the consciousness
46:04
level is rising very fast. I was wondering, is that really
46:08
true? Because the way things are
46:10
happening last 50 years at least global warming and you know,
46:16
reduction of biodiversity is going the opposite direction.
46:19
So what do you comment on that? Well, you know, last night I
46:24
looked out the window and I saw the moon.
46:26
I said, oh, the moon is half full.
46:30
And my wife said, why did you say it was half full and not
46:34
half empty? I said, because I'm an optimist.
46:38
So looking at it this way every, I mean, let let's start from our
46:46
own lives. If everything is wonderful and
46:49
peaceful and joyful, we tend to sit back and relax and enjoy it
46:54
and say, well, that's cool, OK. It's only when we're put under
47:00
stress of having to deal with a situation that we Marshall our
47:04
resources, focus the consciousness and take steps to
47:08
fix it. So the mental evolution has its
47:13
benefits up to a certain point, and when it reaches a certain
47:18
stage, it reaches its own limits, its limitations, and you
47:24
get to what we call gridlock, where nothing can move and no
47:28
solutions can come out. And we're stuck in all the
47:32
problems we've created with our unintended consequences.
47:37
That becomes, to me a sign of the crisis that humanity needs
47:46
to now solve. And if it wasn't for that
47:50
crisis, we would not be taking the steps that we're taking, and
47:54
we wouldn't take them as effectively and as urgently as
47:59
we're going to take them, as we are taking them.
48:01
So to me, this is part of the process.
48:06
Sri Aurobindo talks about the thesis and the antithesis
48:10
leading to a new synthesis. And so if the thesis is the mind
48:15
and the antithesis is the gridlock and limitations of the
48:19
mind, the synthesis is to develop a new super observer, if
48:25
you will. I used this example recently
48:28
with someone and it went right into their brains.
48:32
I said there's a famous experiment about 5 different
48:36
people who observe an automobile accident from different angles
48:42
and they all have different stories what caused it, how it
48:44
happened, whatever. And I said they're all going to
48:48
argue with each other. However, there's that sixth
48:52
person who's sitting six stories up in a building observing the
48:57
five observers and the accident, who can integrate the positions
49:01
of the other five and find the solution as to what caused the
49:05
accident, because they can see it from a different, totally
49:10
different, higher perspective. So when humanity reaches
49:14
gridlock, when we reach this stage where everything we're
49:18
doing is destroying that biodiversity, it's really time
49:25
for a new consciousness and a focus and an urgency towards a
49:29
new consciousness to come out. Now, as I said at the beginning,
49:34
I'm an optimist. There are pessimists who just
49:36
say we're going to destroy ourselves and it's all going to
49:40
just go away and we'll have to wait for the next incarnation of
49:45
the next Yuga to bring forward a new civilization and start all
49:52
over again. Well, that's what a pessimist
49:55
might say, but I'm an optimist. Yeah, thank you.
50:02
Yeah, I think just at the the biodiversity reduction, it is
50:06
mind boggling. I think every I forget the
50:09
number every day something a thousands of species are gone
50:13
every day. And some of that may be the
50:16
intended process of nature and some of that may be because
50:21
there has always been a certain amount of that.
50:24
And some of that may be resulting from human caused
50:30
changes. And we need to then adapt to
50:33
that and find out what the next phase is.
50:37
I mean, are we intended to be pure energy beings and not have
50:42
a food chain under us? And maybe all these animals that
50:47
provided a food chain and all these plants that provided a
50:50
food chain are totally unnecessary and we're going to
50:53
go into becoming pure energy? Well, OK, well, maybe that's
50:58
some people would say that's where we're heading.
51:00
I don't quite believe that, but who knows?
51:04
You know, we can all speculate. I want to bring in an important
51:09
piece of information here. You know, people who follow yoga
51:18
of of any kind, you know, have this understanding that the
51:22
yogi's, the genuine ones that is, develop the capacity to look
51:28
into the past, present and the future simultaneously.
51:33
The Mother and Sherbinder definitely have that capacity.
51:40
And in terms of world affairs, Sri Arvinder has made certain
51:45
predictions. You know, in fact, during the
51:47
Second World War, as he was holding discussions with his
51:50
disciples, he would make some immediate predictions and they
51:56
came true. So one of his predictions is
51:59
that there would be a Third World War.
52:05
And in that Third World War, you know, there would be an axis of
52:12
communist China with some Islamic nations who would attack
52:18
India. And it seems that, you know,
52:21
that things are sort of unfolding in that direction.
52:26
Now. This was just a prelude to what
52:29
I want to say. Now.
52:32
There is a particular text, you know, which was written about
52:35
600 years ago by some practitioners in Puri who have
52:46
spoken about certain world events that would begin to
52:53
unfold after 29th March 2005, 2025.
53:02
And these have been captured in the text called Bhavishya
53:09
Mallika Puran. You know it's one of the Puranas
53:12
and Bhavishya basically means the future amongst many things.
53:20
What has been what what has been predicted is that all the five
53:25
elements of the nature for the next 6-7 years would become
53:33
very, very active and they would cause destruction in the world.
53:40
We are seeing, you know, these wildfires already.
53:47
We are seeing storms, you know, where none occurred before.
53:51
We are seeing floods where none occurred before.
53:57
So, you know, as per this text, there's a transition, a massive
54:05
1 at that, which is in the process.
54:11
Maybe, you know, this is one of the ways in which the nature is
54:15
going to set things right. And interestingly, this text
54:21
also talks about the Third World War.
54:27
It has named countries which certainly did not exist, you
54:34
know, 600 years ago. It's pretty fascinating.
54:40
So, you know, the the reason why I brought this into the mix is
54:47
because the text also says that the people who would have a good
54:57
spiritual practice would transition to the next phase in
55:04
evolution. So let's watch out for these
55:11
seven years. And you know, and I have been
55:14
observing data in terms of those predictions and the predictions
55:20
are coming true. Actually they are unfolding.
55:24
So there is this consistency between the predictions and what
55:28
has been unfolding since the 29th of March 2025.
55:34
Well, that's fascinating, Yeah. And you know the passage that I
55:39
read at the end from Savitri, the preface to that is a giant
55:46
dance of Shiva tore the past. There was a Thunder as of worlds
55:50
that fall. Earth was or run with fire and
55:53
the roar of death clamoring to slay a world his hunger had
55:57
made. There was a clangor of
56:00
destructions wings. The Titans battle cry was in my
56:03
ears. Alarm and rumor shook the
56:06
armored knight. And then I saw the omnipotence
56:12
flaming pioneers. So there is some precedence for
56:18
what you're saying in in Savitri as well, that these things are
56:24
part of the necessary pressure because we don't change
56:29
historically, we don't change without pressure.
56:35
Yeah, sorry. I see that your hand is up.
56:42
Please come in. Yeah.
56:45
Well, first in regard to what you just said, Kundan and
56:50
Santosh's first description of the periods of time 1 can't help
56:57
but note that each subsequent change came in a very, very much
57:05
shorter period. So we need to keep that in mind
57:09
as we show patience. But but my, my, my question went
57:17
to well, in your Savitri quote, there was God's laborers read
57:22
that we are God's laborers or divine laborers.
57:27
And we, we need in addition to working for realizations to
57:33
understand all this, the these processes.
57:39
I, I feel that our responsibility is to take action
57:43
in this world. That person up on the 5th floor
57:48
observing it, it wouldn't mean anything unless he utilized it
57:54
in some way, unless he, he acted in, in the, in the world.
57:58
So there's a lot of tremendous amount of Thomas and in, in the
58:07
inertia in, in, in our actions in the world.
58:11
We, as so many of us stand by and, and and watch.
58:16
So would would you in this context of, of your talk, could
58:22
you speak to our responsibility for action, taking action in
58:28
this world with discernment, of course, but as best we can, but,
58:34
but we need to act to, to, to make things happen.
58:38
You know, participating in, well, this, this group is an
58:42
exception, but for participating in study groups and, and, and
58:48
talking about things all the time and, and going on to the
58:52
next study group without acting in the world.
58:56
And is, is doesn't seem like enough or it isn't enough.
59:02
So would you could you speak to what I'm trying to get at here?
59:07
Sure, you know I've I've never been known for being inactive
59:13
so. I guess you could.
59:17
But actually, I take a somewhat nuanced view of this, if you
59:23
will. If somebody is called upon
59:28
because you know, there's, there's like 8 billion people on
59:30
the planet, everybody is called upon to do different things.
59:35
We're not all called upon to do the same things all the time.
59:39
So some people, if they're able to become inwardly receptive to
59:45
change the energetic flow, to overcome certain forces of ego
59:50
and desire within themselves and to radiate that force out, that
59:57
may be more valuable to help texture the consciousness and
1:00:03
create the change. Then someone going out and
1:00:05
running a food kitchen or helping sick people or whatever,
1:00:09
which all needs to get done. But within the context that I
1:00:15
think in one of his aphorisms, Sri Aurobindo pointed out that
1:00:18
the French Revolution occurred because a Yogi in the Himalayas
1:00:22
in a cave was meditating on freedom.
1:00:26
And so action needs to be seen as possibly being very subtle.
1:00:33
And I, I try not to judge people based on their outward form of
1:00:39
action, but on really let them do what they need to do, what
1:00:46
they're moved to do, what baton they're meant to carry in that
1:00:50
relay race, whether or not they're out there invisible and,
1:00:54
and doing something that we think is from our viewpoint
1:00:59
essential. So there's both.
1:01:01
And hopefully there's plenty of volunteers to do each of those
1:01:06
steps so that they all get done. Yes.
1:01:09
And and that's that's why I use the word discernment because we,
1:01:14
we each have to try to do our best to discern what we are
1:01:18
called to do, what our, what our, what our task is.
1:01:23
And of course, that's that's the big, the big challenge we we
1:01:28
face That's that's the task. Yeah, thank you.
1:01:33
If. I may add, you know, to this
1:01:35
ongoing conversation. I also feel that apart from Ego
1:01:40
and Thomas, the kind of yoga that we are invited to do
1:01:48
experiences a lot of hostility to truth, you know, and I am
1:01:58
getting to realize that the only way to defeat those forces is by
1:02:04
increasing the quality of our own yoga, because those forces
1:02:10
are very, very strong. You know, I have, I have
1:02:13
experienced them quite extensively, you know, because
1:02:18
my area of transition or transformation, if you will, you
1:02:24
know, has been India and you know, for, for, for, for the
1:02:31
last thousand years or so, the kind of void that was created in
1:02:34
India because of external forces.
1:02:37
There has been a massive suction, you know, of hostile
1:02:45
forces, you know, to, to the to the civilization, to, to its
1:02:52
original civilization, if you will.
1:02:55
And in order to transform all of that, you know, I personally
1:03:02
feel that it requires, it requires very sophisticated yoga
1:03:07
on my part. And so, you know, the focus come
1:03:13
keeps coming back to me. You know, if I'm able to raise
1:03:16
my own yoga, maybe I will be able to deal with those with
1:03:19
those forces. But if I don't do that, you
1:03:22
know, those forces will prevail. I wish, you know, we're just ego
1:03:27
And Thomas, you know, they're, they're forces far more
1:03:31
sinister. So yes, Margaret, you know.
1:03:37
I'm going to be following up something that you were saying
1:03:41
there, Kunda. This would it came from the Sri
1:03:47
Rabindo society, but it was a discussion about equanimity and
1:03:55
Sri Rabindo was saying kind of along what you were saying,
1:04:00
Santosh, that with equanimity it's, you know, very important
1:04:05
to have equanimity. But is that enough, right.
1:04:10
And he was saying bringing in, of course, the Gita, where it's
1:04:16
clear that it is one must fight the forces.
1:04:22
And you were talking about this Kundan, those forces.
1:04:26
And Andrew Rabinow says something like the forces that
1:04:31
would darken or or obliterate the truth or hurt the children
1:04:37
of light. He's very direct, very similar
1:04:41
to what you're saying, Kundan. And so again, it is nuanced, but
1:04:49
it's also being clear eyed about what our mission is, that is to
1:05:00
serve the truth or to radiate and support the forces of truth.
1:05:05
So anyway, it's interesting that we're coming all coming at this
1:05:10
and saying very similar things. Yes, Finchman, you're you're on
1:05:24
mute. Please unmute yourself.
1:05:29
Please unmute yourself. Yes, thank you.
1:05:31
Thank you. Yeah, I'm a new face here.
1:05:36
Welcome. I'm glad that you have started
1:05:38
joining us. Yeah.
1:05:40
Thank you very much. I really appreciate this group
1:05:45
and actually I graduated with my PhD in East West psychology
1:05:50
about 2-3 years ago. And then actually I'm writing a
1:05:55
book in Mandarin and I talk about the integral yoga
1:06:01
psychology and I use the so we're about talk about the
1:06:10
centric concentric conscious system and a vertical system and
1:06:18
a triple transformation. Yeah, I use this totality of
1:06:22
human consciousness as the theoretical foundation for the
1:06:27
inner child work, actual actualizing our essential child.
1:06:33
So because I read the ceramic talk about the natural attitude
1:06:38
on the psychical being, is it to fear itself as a child, the son
1:06:43
of the God and the bhakti, it is a portion of the divine one in
1:06:48
essence. So I just put it, you say that
1:06:52
the inner child work to actualize our descent child.
1:06:59
So to today's lecture, I would like to get some feedback to see
1:07:04
if I understand it right. I heard that talk about the
1:07:10
symbolic symbiotic relationship and can we look at the from the
1:07:21
central being to two being and the inner being?
1:07:27
Outer being is the different different portion of our
1:07:32
consciousness which is in the unity of the oneness of the of
1:07:40
our consciousness. And all these different portions
1:07:46
are in the symbiotic relationship with each other
1:07:54
because if the form is the manifestation of the
1:08:01
formlessness, so and so the individual psychic being and or
1:08:11
child in a child is an expression manifestation of the
1:08:18
original measure. Yeah.
1:08:21
And the if the physical vital and mental being and the
1:08:29
spiritual aspect of us, they are also symbiotic relationship with
1:08:37
each other as one is of the consciousness.
1:08:43
And because I create some guiding meditation in Mandarin,
1:08:49
for sure, I'm not so competent with my English.
1:08:52
That's why I'm when I'm talking, I'll be able to be stressed.
1:08:56
Yeah, so and I created some guiding meditation in Mandarin
1:09:03
to to guiding from the our original matter and connecting
1:09:16
with our essential child and the vulnerable child and our
1:09:23
protective child, which is our outer personality for sure.
1:09:29
So when I create this is I'm the the intention for me is to try
1:09:38
to create the connection in between our different parts of
1:09:45
consciousness and create the linkage and Harmons, harmonies,
1:09:52
harmony, Harmon harmony in US. So I would like to get her to be
1:10:01
feedback because I cannot find any because that's right in
1:10:06
Mandarin. And I don't know where I can get
1:10:08
a support to make sure what I'm doing is in the in the direction
1:10:15
which match to the through indoor teaching.
1:10:21
Yeah. Yeah, Santosh, please.
1:10:23
Well, thank you. I'm very appreciative of what
1:10:28
you're trying to do. And the idea you bring in that
1:10:33
the different parts of the being, the physical, the vital,
1:10:37
the mental and the spiritual are symbiotic to one another is, you
1:10:42
know, a very interesting paradigm.
1:10:45
Because they each have their own framework of how they function
1:10:51
and what they do. And each of them has to be
1:10:55
adapted when the next phase becomes active because they need
1:11:01
to find how to live together, so to be, so to speak, in one
1:11:05
being. And that's that symbiotic
1:11:08
relationship. And it's more or less what we
1:11:11
were talking about. When the new phase of
1:11:13
consciousness comes in, it needs to make adjustments to the
1:11:18
physical, the vital, and the mental beings so that it can
1:11:25
take hold and radiate and bring a new level of harmony and
1:11:30
integration into these different parts that right now are not
1:11:35
functioning well together in certain ways.
1:11:38
So I like your paradigm and I hope you keep developing this.
1:11:45
I know it's difficult to do this in English for you, but I think
1:11:52
I picked up what you were trying to say and I very much
1:11:55
appreciate that. Thank you very much.
1:11:59
And I would like to say that I, I use this model in the in the
1:12:05
work because I'm working with people in in China or in Taiwan.
1:12:11
Now I don't have many clients yet because I still focus on
1:12:14
writing, but I I do some do some work and. 11 very good resource
1:12:21
for you would be this compilation by Doctor AES de Lal
1:12:28
called our many selves. You know, so these different
1:12:34
aspects that you were talking about, these different aspects
1:12:37
of the outer personalities, how they can be integrated around
1:12:43
the central being, you know, which is the psychic being is
1:12:47
very beautifully explicated, you know, in in that collection our
1:12:52
many selves. Our.
1:12:56
Many and if you want to. Get if you want to get access to
1:12:59
that. The blog that we do daily that
1:13:04
Kundan gave in the announcement has a folder called Our Many
1:13:11
Selves and we went page by page through that book with the
1:13:18
citations from each page and a discussion about it.
1:13:23
So it's available to you free of charge just to go out there.
1:13:28
Of course it's in English, but some of the translation engines
1:13:32
may help you. I did some work with ChatGPT and
1:13:37
it's not perfect, but it's better than not having a
1:13:41
translation at all so. I can read the English no
1:13:46
problem, It's just like time for me to write and to follow.
1:13:50
Up, of course. Yeah.
1:13:52
Well, if you go out to the blog, Sri
1:13:56
orobindostudies.wordpress.com, on the right side there are a
1:14:02
number of folders for different books that we've done the study
1:14:06
on. And one of those is our Many
1:14:08
Cells by the compilation by Doctor Dalal from Srioro Bindu
1:14:13
and the Mother's Works. And every page of that book is
1:14:18
set forth day after day with a commentary.
1:14:22
So it's available to you wherever you are.
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OK. Sure.
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Very good, Very good. Thank you so much.
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Yeah. You're welcome.
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You're welcome. More comments, Questions.
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So I have one more question. The so like what I'm I'm I'm
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doing to create a linkage between different parts of
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consciousness. I look at it in a way is to
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integrate the concentric system, another vertical system, and I
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mean psychical transformation and a spiritual transformation
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and the Super mental transformation because the most
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the most center is I use the the original matter, the source of
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our life and I interpreted it as the father serial original talk
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about the define matter. It's the the origin of our life
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and so it's kind of bringing the use our mental.
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It's still in a mental plan, I understand, but we we exercise
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our mental plan plan to to awaken our super mental
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consciousness and bring into connection with the the
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different parts of our consciousness.
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So it's a can I look at it as a a part of the Super mental
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transformation? Yeah, Santosh.
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Yes. So I, I think the approach
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you're taking is obviously helpful in what you're doing.
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The new energy that has fixed itself into the earth
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consciousness, the Super mental force is slowly working or
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quickly working if you will. And it's so you, you might call
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geographic time scale, not human time scale, to modify to, in
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integrate and to harmonize the mental, the vital and the
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physical levels so that they can hold that force and express that
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force. It's a, it's a harmonizing
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process like you're talking about.
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And so anything that's done to widen the mental being and the
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vital and physical being, to accept a new energy, a new
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force, a new understanding, and to find a way to harmonize its
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action is very helpful. If you know, if I may add to
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this, I actually teach a course on Shirvinder's Integral Yoga at
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Sofia University and one of the books that I use for this
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purpose is this compilation by Doctor Dalal called The Greater
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Psychology. Now, if there's one area, you
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know, where I do not agree with him and I personally feel that,
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you know that he makes my work very difficulties by
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representing these planes, you know, in A2 dimensional and
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three-dimensional manner. The the mother has spoken on
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this, you know, quite a few times where she says that, you
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know, there's more to the four dimensions that we have come to
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know and realize. And all these planes, you know,
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are certainly not arranged in a two or three-dimensional manner.
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Because see, what happens is that you know that when you
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begin to visualize these planes in an hierarchical fashion, you
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know, particularly when you look at this care, the staircase
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model that he has created, you begin to invite this, this
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entire diatribe, you know, of academia as far as hierarchy is
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concerned. And unfortunately, you know, Ken
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Wilber has contributed massively to this problem, which does not
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really exist in the world view of the mother and Shivar Bindar,
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you know. So yes, these planes are there,
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We can, we can go till there. But these planes are not
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arranged in A2 dimensional or a three-dimensional manner.
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In order, you know, to really know and experience how these
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planes are placed, we will basically need to develop a
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yogic vision in us. All that we can do at this point
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in time is to know that you know that these are distinct planes
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in our existence. They have certain
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characteristics. They influence our consciousness
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in distinct ways. And by becoming aware of, you
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know, of, of their characteristics, we can work on
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their transformation. But if we begin to get into
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this, you know, into this binary of whether these planes are
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placed in an hierarchical fashion or, you know, or they're
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on a, on a flat plain, there will be a problem.
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You know, since you're a student at the East West Psychology
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department, you know, you have, you have one framework or
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paradigm. In integral psychology at this
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point in time, which is coming from Ken Wilber, you know, which
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is which is hierarchical and then you have this framework of
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participatory, you know, practice coming from fairer.
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And very unfortunately, you know these two frameworks are at war
1:20:44
with the with the with each other.
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And when you look at the framework of Mother and Sherwin,
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though, there basically is no conflict whatsoever.
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You know, this yoga has been participatory right from the
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very beginning, you know, right from its very inception.
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And the planes have a certain kind of an arrangement, but they
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are certainly not hierarchical in a three-dimensional manner.
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So once again, you know, the ignorance of human beings have
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basically invaded this this beautiful cosmology that has
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actually been presented to us. So I would say, you know, my
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suggestion to you is if you can set aside, you know, these two
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frameworks and not get into them, it will be better, you
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know, so. Well, I'll add one thing to
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that, and that's that scientists recently found out that they
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could do something with light to touch 37 dimensions at one time.
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And if you read in the titanium Upanishad, the what I call the
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calculus of bliss, human bliss is at the bottom of that range.
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And then there's like 10 or 12 ranges above that of further
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integrated planes or beings or forces, whatever that are far
1:22:16
beyond our human perception. And so the human being tends to,
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with the mental forces, we get to gridlock, we get to arguments
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and fighting and positions that we take, but we need to move
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beyond that. And the Super mental force is
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meant to harmonize all those different views into a
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comprehensive holistic view that is not argumentative but
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integrative. Yeah, sometimes I don't use the,
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the the original model essential model supplemental consciousness
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because it just doesn't happen at that moment.
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Then I don't, I don't use it and I I use it only when I feel
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there is something and kind of isn't kind of a timing.
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Then I, you then, then I try to do a little bit doesn't remind
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how, how, how is the original mother was said to you.
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This is a hurtful child. And then sometimes you just
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click and something harmonized, nourished and something changed
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something just kind of something kind of a repaired the outer
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personality get repaired. So sometimes it happens,
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sometimes it's not, but isn't it doesn't matter.
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I I just follow the floor. OK, on that note, why don't we
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have brief meditation and then we'll break a very brief
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meditation. You know, let's go inside focus.
1:25:18
Thank you very much Santosh for this beautiful presentation we
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have. We have absolutely made our day.
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Enjoy the rest of the day, all of you.
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Thank you very much. Thank you everyone for joining.
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US. Thank you, Santosh.
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All of your contributions. Thank you very much, Santosh.
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Good to see you everyone.