Latest / In Focus with Carolyn Hutcheson / Women and Crime - TPR's In Focus - August 27, 2026
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- 0:27From Troy Public Radio, this is In Focus,
- 0:32And I'm Carolyn Hutcheson. Some of Alabama's most
- 0:35intriguing criminal cases involve
- 0:39women.
- 0:48When he was a night reporter for the Birmingham News,
- 0:51Jeremy Gray began tracking down stories about
- 0:55women in Alabama's criminal history. He compiled
- 0:59the stories into a book, Wicked Women of Alabama,
- 1:03published by the History Press.
- 1:06Today we talk with Jeremy, who introduces
- 1:09us to a woman who claimed to be the lover of
- 1:13John Wilkes Booth, Abraham Lincoln's assassin.
- 1:18Jeremy Gray, thank you so much for joining us by Skype from Moody,
- 1:22Alabama. Hi, glad to be here. Jeremy,
- 1:25you're a former night reporter for the Birmingham News, and you're now
- 1:29a managing producer for Alabama Media Group, which includes
- 1:32several newspapers as well as AL.com. I take
- 1:37it you've been chasing crime stories for many years?
- 1:40Correct. I was based in Birmingham
- 1:44and would go out on calls, had the police scanner, all that.
- 1:49And now I oversee crime coverage across Alabama for
- 1:53the different papers and AL.com. You've written an eye-opening
- 1:57book about women criminals, and the book's
- 2:01title is Wicked Women of Alabama.
- 2:04What made you want to tackle women criminals in
- 2:09literature? Well, obviously, men commit
- 2:14the vast majority of crimes. And, and violent crimes at that.
- 2:17So these cases were fewer and far between, and they were
- 2:22just so interesting. Um, we had the poisoners of the 1950s.
- 2:26Uh, we had, uh, Marie Hillie,
- 2:29obviously, in Anniston. There was a connection to the
- 2:32Manson family. Virginia Hill, uh, who I've always been fascinated
- 2:37with, uh, for her association
- 2:40with Bugsy Siegel, the Prohibition-era gangster.
- 2:44So, I mean, there were just some really notable cases. They were very different
- 2:48from each other, but just some really
- 2:51interesting stories behind these women and the notorious crimes
- 2:55they were linked to. Briefly, why do women
- 2:58choose poisoning rather than guns when they're
- 3:03doing these murders, these women criminals? Well, in the '50s
- 3:07and before that, there weren't really a lot
- 3:11of autopsies. There were a lot of chemicals that were cheap,
- 3:15readily available.
- 3:18Women in that particular era were
- 3:23largely responsible for taking
- 3:26care of home, preparing meals. People trusted them to bring
- 3:31them their coffee or their milk or their whiskey
- 3:35or whatever, and And people got sick, uh, and died
- 3:39of a wide range of illnesses. So it
- 3:43didn't really raise a lot of questions. I mean, you go back to the
- 3:4819th century in Europe and other parts of America,
- 3:52these kinds of cases happened a lot more frequently than they
- 3:55do now because if you die under suspicious circumstances
- 3:59now, you're more likely to get tested and then somebody will get found
- 4:02out. But Back then, it was just a— it was easy to get away
- 4:07with it. Rat poison, arsenic,
- 4:10those were some of the poisons of choice. But let's
- 4:13drop back and talk about a case that you covered
- 4:17in your book, Wicked Women of Alabama. Louise Worcester,
- 4:21the madam who saved Birmingham from cholera,
- 4:25claimed that she was the love of John Wilkes
- 4:29Booth's life. Can you explain that?
- 4:33Right, and I'll just say that all of her
- 4:37accounts should be taken with a grain of salt.
- 4:40She's a fascinating figure in Birmingham history. She came to
- 4:44Birmingham not long after the city became
- 4:48a city, and there was a cholera epidemic,
- 4:51and when the people fled Birmingham,
- 4:54she turned her house of quote-unquote
- 4:59ill repute into a hospital. She tended to sick people and
- 5:03she to this day is a very beloved figure in Birmingham.
- 5:09She started off her life in Mobile, just a life of tragedy,
- 5:14parents dying, her and her sisters were being passed around,
- 5:18and like a lot of young women in unfortunate
- 5:22circumstances, she turned to sex work.
- 5:26And she lived in Montgomery before the
- 5:30start of the Civil War, as did John Wilkes Booth, who was an
- 5:34actor, and she claimed
- 5:37that they had a love affair and she seemed to
- 5:42believe that he was driven largely by his alcoholism,
- 5:45which he was, I believe, very well known
- 5:49to have had an addiction to alcohol.
- 5:52But yeah, so she claimed that it
- 5:57was sort of an ill-fated love affair with one of the most notorious figures in
- 6:00American history. Well, on page 23 of
- 6:05your book, she explains further. Can you share that paragraph?
- 6:09Right. She wrote that Booth loved the Union and said
- 6:13his strange erratic nature that
- 6:17fateful night he gunned down President Lincoln at the Ford's Theatre was
- 6:21the result of him being crazed by drink. She said that he believed
- 6:26his terrible act would end the war and save the South.
- 6:31Had the devil not tempted him at that fatal moment, what a bright star
- 6:35would he have been. I knew he was impulsive, erratic,
- 6:38but I never believed him capable of murder. I do not believe he ever
- 6:42intended murder. Though the world may condemn him, I love him still.
- 6:48I think some of that's doubtful. There was obviously a a
- 6:52bit of a conspiracy around the assassination
- 6:56of the president and attempts on other federal officials around
- 7:01that same time. But she made this claim through years.
- 7:05She said she kept a scrapbook full of mementos.
- 7:08She said she had a monogrammed handkerchief and letters he wrote.
- 7:12As far as whether that's all true, I don't know, but it
- 7:17is known that she did live in Montgomery around the same time he did.
- 7:20So could their paths have crossed? Could they have had a relationship?
- 7:24Quite possibly. And she may have had some insight into
- 7:28him that others may not have had. And Jeremy,
- 7:32she weighed the events of her life and she weighed
- 7:35her sins against redemption, and her redemption
- 7:39apparently was through helping those who needed help during
- 7:43this cholera epidemic. Right. And even after,
- 7:48she tried to live a little bit more of a quiet life. She wasn't
- 7:52always successful, but she would take care of the women
- 7:56who worked for her as sex workers in her later years and tended
- 8:01to them and their health and took care of their children. And there's
- 8:05a public health award given out in Birmingham in her honor every
- 8:09year. There's loft apartments in Birmingham named
- 8:13after her. So for someone who was a sex worker in
- 8:18the late 19th century, early 20th
- 8:21century in the Bible Belt, she's held
- 8:25in quite high regard even today. Well, Jeremy, we're out of
- 8:30time for today, but let's talk again more about
- 8:33your book, Wicked Women of Alabama. This is fascinating
- 8:37and it's an eye-opening Well, I really
- 8:41appreciate it, and I look forward to it. Joining us by Skype was reporter
- 8:46Jeremy Gray of Moody, Alabama. His book is Wicked
- 8:50Women of Alabama, and we'll look forward to bringing you more
- 8:54of the stories he's collected.
- 8:57Thanks for joining us today for In Focus, which is now a podcast
- 9:01on NPR One or wherever you get your
- 9:05podcasts. I'm Carolyn Hutcheson, and this
- 9:08is listener-supported Troy Public Radio.