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Ep. 15 - White Collar: who gets punished? · 4DAFAM

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Welcome to episode 15 of For The Fam Podcast.
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It ain't. How you been, bro? Pretty good, man. I can't complain.
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Been a pretty long damn week. Who you telling, man? Yeah, you out here.
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Hey, let me, let me, man, bro. Bro. Bro. Bro, bro.
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So a week from today, we had a blizzard. Correct. We got all that damn snow.
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Then Sunday, it was freaking North Dakota or Alaska.
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You got super damn cold. Yeah, it was cold as hell. Monday, it was still super damn cold.
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Tuesday, we caught a little bit of a break. We got snow flurries again.
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Wednesday, wasn't that bad. Thursday, it rained like it was springtime.
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And today is almost 60 degrees. Yeah. That day, that night, it was real cold.
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Man, I had so many people texting me. Hey, man, we going out in this tonight?
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We got to work tonight? I'm like, yeah, unfortunately, it's come down from the top.
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We're working. Man. Boy, they was so mad.
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Man, bro, it's been a week, bro. But it's over.
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It's done with it. So whatever. So what you want to get into today, man?
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Today we're going to talk about white-collar crimes. white collar
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crimes yes sir all right called victimless crime the
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victimless crime it ain't that no sir
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yeah yeah so i'm gonna start this time okay and when we say white collar crime
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basically we're talking about crimes which they they actually are classified
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as non-violent crimes But we're talking about fraud,
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embezzlement,
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things like that.
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So what we really want to try and shed some light on today is the disparity
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between white collar crimes and what they consider violent crime,
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which we also want to throw in.
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We'll talk about later. Red collar crimes.
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Oh, you don't have to hit me to the game on that. Yeah, we'll get to it. Okay, okay, cool.
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So, basically, to get into it, I want to talk about some facts,
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stats, whatever you want to call it.
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I'm not going to get too deep in the woods, but I want to start with an example,
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and then I'll go from there.
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Basically, if someone commits a robbery, no one gets hurt.
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Let's say they're not a first-time offender because either way,
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first-time offenders, the court is pretty lenient.
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But let's say they're not a non-first-time offender.
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You commit a robbery. No one gets hurt. You didn't brandish a weapon. You steal $150.
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Your punishment for that will be somewhere between three to five years in a
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maximum security prison. Uh-huh.
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Now, let's flip that. If you commit a white collar crime and let's say you steal
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a hundred grand from somebody, you're not a first time offender.
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You, if you go to jail at all, may get a lesser sentence.
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So you won't even get three to five years and you will be in a minimum security prison.
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Now, or just get a fine or just get a fine.
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The difference is a minimum security prison is kind of like living in an apartment
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complex that you can't leave.
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It's kind of cushy.
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Think goodfellas when they all went to jail and they were in there cooking.
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And that's slicing garlic razor thin with a razor.
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Exactly. Look up what Martha Stewart did.
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If you want an example of what a minimum security prison is,
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look up your girl Maxwell. well, who's all mixed up with the Epstein stuff.
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If you want to look up a minimum security prison and understand why everyone
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is so upset that this violent rapist is getting this cushy treatment.
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But to get back on point.
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So I when when I when I first started researching this,
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I was going to take this down a road of racial disparity, but I'm going to change
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that because even though there is a racial component,
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I think the more telling is the socioeconomic aspect of it.
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Now, again, there is a racial component, but that's not all of it.
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And here's why I say that the majority of white collar crimes are committed by white males.
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You have to have a certain status to commit a white collar crime.
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You have to have resources.
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So that's why I'm saying that it's a socioeconomic disparity more than it is
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a racial disparity, because if you're poor, whether you're black,
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white, purple, orange, green,
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you're still going to get those same sentencing levels.
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You're going to get a crappy public defender because if you're still in 150
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bucks, chances are you can't afford a lawyer.
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You're going to get a public defender who just wants to get your file off of their desk.
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So your defense is going to be minimal.
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Flip that to someone with status someone
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with resources one they can
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afford a cushy lawyer a good
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lawyer two they probably have connections three
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like you were saying well kind of saying they may just get a fine which again
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goes back to the lawyer so negotiating that for sure yeah for sure and this
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This is the most interesting thing that I found.
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A lot of white collar crimes do not get reported.
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Now, if they are reported and there is an arrest, there is a extremely high conviction rate.
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So they get prosecuted. But rarely are the crimes even reported.
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One, because especially like to the FBI. Right. But get past the FBI and just think local.
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Police whatever it takes a lot of resources
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to investigate and to
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prove white collar crimes so a lot of the times they just say forget it so during
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my research too i noticed that there were a couple of cases throughout history
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where a lot of people don't report it too because of embarrassment and embarrassment
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they're like you know what i'm just gonna let this ride it won't happen again for sure.
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So the disparity comes in where a judge goes, who caused more harm to the victim? Now, I,
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Crime is crime, at least in my opinion. Crime is crime.
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If someone loses $150, that might be their rent. That might be their grocery.
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Yeah, they may suffer a setback, but it's not an insurmountable setback.
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Someone loses $150,000, depending on who they are, but it's still,
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it's not dropping. I mean, yeah, it may be a drop in the bucket,
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but at the same time, it's their $150,000.
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It could be life altering. Yep.
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You know, if you're a retiree, as in Bernie Madoff. $64.8 billion.
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And someone takes your $150,000 and this was your retirement money,
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you've worked all your life now for nothing.
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Yep. As opposed to if you hit me for $150, like I said, damn, I can't pay my rent.
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Damn, that was my grocery money. But next week, I'd be okay.
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But I also might just put myself in a position to say, it won't happen to you.
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I don't rock with you no more. I ain't going to try to hurt you. Yeah. $450.
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Yeah. I'm just going to write it off. Yeah. You just got away with it. Yeah.
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Because I chose to just write it off. You know what? I'm just not going to rock with you no more. Yeah.
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Yeah. So so that's that's that's sort of where we're we're trying to lead the
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discussion or at least where I'm trying to lead the discussion as it relates
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to white collar crime and anything you want to add, brother.
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So one of the things that because I like you when when you brought it up,
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I started looking at the racial aspects of it as well.
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And I just start thinking about, you know, what we consider what over the last
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15 years, all these young brothers and not just young brothers,
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but a lot of folks committing credit card, how they're looked at.
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By America, as opposed to how if someone higher up in a corporate setting was
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doing the same thing, they're not looked at the same way.
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They're not treated the same way.
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These people, like, you know, your Bernie Madoffs of the world are allowed to
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get arrested in a $2,000 suit wearing his Rolex, you know, hiding his wife's
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jewelry to make sure it doesn't get seized and so on and so forth.
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So I was along that same route, but just because it's killing me not to say it now.
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So red collar crime. I've never heard the term. Me neither.
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A red collar crime is something where someone who committed a white collar crime
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commits a blue collar crime to cover up the white collar crime.
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So I still 150 grand from you. You report me.
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I'm being investigated. You're the only witness. So I kill you.
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Oh. That is considered a red collar crime. Okay.
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So you committed this level of crime while being accused of this level of crime.
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So they just murdered them.
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Sure. Okay. Okay. Okay. That makes sense. That makes sense. Because I definitely
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was not familiar with the term, but you know, we, we, and we're old enough to
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have lived through the Bernie Madoff thing.
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Watch the documentary, watch the made for TV movie.
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Now in, in, in his case, because people were committing suicide and all of that kind of stuff.
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He did actually like that was part of his sentencing, right? Right.
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They took that into account that people were harming themselves because they lost everything.
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They got 150 years. Yeah. Which is why. Right. He his his sentence was so steep.
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But most of these guys.
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Really don't get that much time when they do this.
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A lot of them face fines, like you stated. A lot of them lose their licenses.
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A lot of them get temporary bans.
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But all they do is lay low for a little while, and then they go commit fraud again.
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I'll give you another example. And I don't know how familiar you are with the
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Elizabeth Holmes story. Yeah. So...
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I first heard about that story on a podcast. I listened to it.
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It was like, this is interesting. Then I read the book.
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And although the guy doing the podcast did a hell of a job, when I read that
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book and then realized she only got 11 years, I was like, oh,
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yeah, she deserved 90 years for the stuff she was doing.
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She was altering people's lives by saying that she could test,
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do all these tests that no one's been able to do in the medical field,
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which she's not a doctor. Yeah.
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With one drop of blood. Well, her device never worked, though,
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right? No, it never worked at all. Yeah.
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So what they were doing is they were taking the drop of blood and using traditional
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methods that you or I might get if we go get a blood test and bringing back results.
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But at the same time, there were times where they didn't do that,
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telling people they had cancer when they didn't. Oh, wow. Telling people that
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they were doing better when they weren't.
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Oh, wow. So her only getting 11 years. And then you hear the story about her
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boyfriend and all the money that he stole.
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It blows my mind that she only got, and she appealed it and almost won the damn appeal.
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But it was the fraud that caught her up, right? Not the fact that she was lying to people.
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It was the investors basically got cheated out of their money is what really got her caught up.
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Putting her company at, and I don't remember the exact dollar amount,
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but it was like, I think she raised like a billion dollars or $980 million or
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something. So that's how they nailed her.
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They didn't nail her. The fact that she's telling people, oh,
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you're doing great. Meanwhile, their cancer is progressing. Correct.
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Correct. You're basically playing a doctor. Correct. And you're not.
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Interesting. But the fraud is what got it. Yeah. To hell with your health.
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Right. The fraud is what gets it. Right. Right.
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So, so, us growing up as black men, we've always said that there were two justice
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systems in America. Oh, yeah.
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Well, we saw it every day. We saw it, right? We lived it. Mm-hmm.
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There are people who will shut us down probably to this day.
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There is one justice system and it's equally applied. Shit.
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This right here is an example.
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It's a pure illustration of the two justice systems and maybe even three.
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Maybe there is a white justice system, a black justice system and a wealthy
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and another, you know, the kid you mentioned.
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The other podcast, maybe two or three podcasts ago, the kid who committed rape
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twice, who basically got away with it, who, by the way, there's new charges pending.
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He may end up going to jail anyway.
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He needs he should already be in jail. Yeah.
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But a prime example of justice not being equally plied. I think of the kid.
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I forget how many years it was, but he like killed a couple of people in a drunk driving accident.
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And then his family sent them to Mexico for a couple of months or whatever,
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or a couple of years, however long it was.
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And then when he came back, the judge basically said he's not aware of what
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he or because he's affluent.
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He's not quite aware of right and wrong.
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And he's just like, what in the hell are you talking about?
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Or the broad kid that took advantage of that drunk girl behind the dumpster,
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the Stanford. Yes, yes, yes.
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What do you do? Like what do you get like 30 days or two weeks or something
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like that? Yes, yeah. He won't do it again.
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Yeah, yeah. So, so, so, so, yeah.
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So this is, this is what, what we really wanted to illustrate was the injustice
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in the justice system and how it's not equally applied.
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Basically, if you got money, if you got resources, you can get away with a lot.
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Now, we're not saying that rich people can get away with murder,
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even though that's always been the same.
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But when it comes to white collar crime, again, they get away with it.
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And there are nine times out of 10, no consequences for their crimes. But these same people.
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We'll call you a criminal while they're doing while they're doing the same thing
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that you're doing, which is stealing.
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They will demand that you get the maximum penalty while they themselves receive
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the minimum penalty, which, again, may be a slap on the wrist.
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Maybe home confinement may just be a fine.
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And they don't even lose their careers a lot of the time.
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So the Enron scandal, also a great book.
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They were allowed, because they had a whistleblower early, and they dragged
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that guy. I mean, that guy got death threats, lost his job.
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That guy went through hell trying to expose this.
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They continued to use the term Rob Peter to pay Paul over and over again.
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Meanwhile, the SEC was investigating them. They show up. Same with Bernie Madoff.
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The SEC investigated him several times.
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But because he was chairman of the NASDAQ and because of all the trust that
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he had in that field, Bernie Madoff was, what did I say, 64.8 or something like that billion dollars.
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Had they stopped him when they first investigated him, it would have only been
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about three or four billion dollars.
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Which is still a hell of a lot of money. Which is insane, yes.
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But he ended, he almost bankrupted the Mets. Right. The New York Mets.
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Right. Almost couldn't pay their payroll.
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Right. Because of Bernie Madoff. So it's it's insane that these these people
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right now somewhere, somebody is scamming someone out of millions and millions of dollars.
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Yes. Yeah. Someone is stealing a honey bun to have something to eat.
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Right. They'll get six months. Right.
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This other person is going to slap on the wrist. Don't let it happen again.
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Right. And will forever be deemed a criminal, a criminal. Yeah.
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Yeah. Be on their record forever.
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Now your voting rights are being stripped.
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Your life's ruined because you stole a hundred blood.
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Going back to the two justice systems, and I think this was you that said this.
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Somebody, I was talking to this about this. The mob is notorious for committing white collar crimes.
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In the beginning, that's not what it was.
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They committed crimes just in their communities or whatever.
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But the mob, it's just a bunch of bums. Yeah.
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Stealing from people. Strong army. Yeah. Strong army. Yeah. But we glamorized him. Yeah.
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Gave him agency. The Teflon Don. Yeah. He was a bum.
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And if you go back and look at the recordings when he finally got convicted
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and he was talking to his grandkids, you realize what a piece of shit of a human
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being a lot of these people are. People are.
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But we glorified them. Yes, sir. And he was just a, I mean, obviously he was
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more of a red collar criminal because he did. Right.
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But when you think of the mob, white collar crime and they're glorified.
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Yeah. But someone on the streets, throw a hoodie on him, throw some sweatpants on him.
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He's not as glamorous. Doing the same crimes that John Gotti did.
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Yeah. He's going to get more time.
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He might even get the death penalty. John Gotti was set up like a king until
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the day he died. What did Michael Cohen go to jail for?
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Trump's boy? Oh, being a fixer. Fraud. Yeah, fraud.
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Fraud. The same thing Trump is convicted of. Fraud.
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You get to be president, you're convicted of fraud. Which most people don't
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realize that that happened.
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He was convicted in court of fraud for Trump University. Yeah.
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He frauded people out. Yeah. Which he's, look, and I know we don't want to go
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down that path. Oh, no. We are this time.
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This is about to be a heavy rag on Trump episode.
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But you and I.
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We're around for all of it. The wine. The steaks.
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The bankrupted casino that you and I have stepped forward to get here.
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When the Trump casino opened back home, we were there. We went.
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We remember him bankrupting Atlantic City. Right.
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I mean, he basically turned Atlantic City into a laughingstock.
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How do you bankrupt a place that gives you money? The house always wins. The house always.
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You have to be a complete idiot to bankrupt where people just walk in and give you money.
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And they know it. When they put in the parking lot, they know I'm going to give you my money.
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How do you bankrupt something like that? And the thing with him and the way
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he's been able to get away with all of this over these years,
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the way most kind men do, a lack of transparency. Yes.
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And flashy distractions. Yes. Most recently, which is bullshit.
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And we and you and I both know it.
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One point one billion dollars of these cards to sell people's for people to
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earn citizenship. Right.
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But yet here in Indianapolis this past Thursday, another 11, no, four.
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It's either four or 11. One of these two numbers I'm getting mixed up were turned
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away from their naturalization ceremony again.
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At the track it was what 30 wasn't it like 30 like two or three weeks ago that
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they told him that they couldn't uh if you do if you if you look it up,
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It's these banned countries. That's it. What complexion are these folks?
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Because all the Eastern Europeans, they got naturalized on Thursday.
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Right. Brown folks did. But you know what's funny, bro?
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How the clown, man, we're getting so far off track. But anyway,
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how the clown talks about we want people from Norway and Sweden.
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You think they want to come here? Well, no.
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But you know they got black populations in Norway and Sweden.
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Well, yeah, absolutely.
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Which is funny because like on TikTok, people end up discovering like the black
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populations and places like a couple months ago, it was Ireland.
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Yeah. Like Americans discovered.
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Oh, shit. It's a bunch of black folks in Ireland. Yes. Yeah.
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It just shows you how dumb and racist he is to say stuff like that.
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Like, dude, there's black people
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everywhere, which makes your policy even that much more stupid. Yep.
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But we digress. So, yeah, that's that's that's how we feel about white collar crime.
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Again, if you guys don't believe any of the information that we are putting out, go look it up.
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Challenge us in the comments. You know what I'm saying?
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If you think that we're missing it, you think that we're misconstruing this
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information, look it up.
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And you got to be factual. All right. We're not just going to argue with Yahoo's about.
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This is a first take. Yeah. Bipartisan issues Or partisan issues I guess I should
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say Come with some factual Evidence Some real questions and we'll gladly.
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Get back with you guys in the comments but yeah that's
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that's that's where we stand as far as white
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collar crime anything you want to add to that bro nah all
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right cool cool cool good discussion so with that being said we're going to
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move right into current events you want to go with a current event bro or you
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want me to go want you to go all right cool i want to talk about this presidential
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address that happened Wednesday night, was it?
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Earlier this week. We'll just put it like that.
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And a lot of the address was about affordability.
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And it just had me thinking, since Jimmy Carter's presidency,
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and I'm only talking about presidencies that we've lived through.
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Now, we were probably too young to know anything about Jimmy Carter's presidency,
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but we were alive. We were on this earth, my favorite president.
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So since Jimmy Carter's presidency, this is a fact.
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Again, challenge us. Look it up. I'm not going to give you stats,
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but look this up and you'll see that what I'm saying is true.
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Democrats are better on the economy.
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It is a fact. It's non-disputable.
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Yet there is a perception that persists in this country that Republicans are better on the economy.
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And it just makes my head want to explode because Reagan effed up the economy.
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I remember my daddy getting laid off during the Reagan era.
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Bush came in and did a horrible job on the economy.
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Read my lips. No new taxes. First thing the asshole did was raise taxes.
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Clinton comes in, fixes the economy, balances the budget.
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G-Dub comes in, puts us in a war, fucks up the economy. We gotta send out stimulus checks.
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Obama comes in, saves the day, fixes the economy, makes everything palatable.
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We're doing great. Doofus comes in.
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Everyone thinks the economy was great under him.
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That was just you riding out Obama's economy for those first couple years.
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And then COVID hit and the wheels fell completely off.
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Oh, but it was COVID. Okay. I'll give you that.
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Joe Biden comes in, who gets tagged with the COVID tax.
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All of these companies who raised their prices because they didn't make money during COVID.
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He get tagged with that and people say inflation, inflation, my eggs are too high.
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Still, he did a better job on the economy than his predecessor.
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Now, y'all voted him out. Well, he was going to step down anyway because he
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was old. But y'all had this perception that Trump was going to come in and fix
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the economy. And what has he done?
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Tariffs, tax cuts for the rich, tariffs, tax cuts for the rich,
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tariffs, tax cuts for the rich.
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Why am I keep repeating that? Because that's all he's done.
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That's why I'm repeating it.
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Tariffs and tax cuts for the rich. I'm not even talking about all the scandals.
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That's a whole nother podcast. as I'm strictly talking about the economy.
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Listen to me, people. Listen to me. Turn it up.
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Since Reagan...
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Republicans got one policy when it comes to economics, trickle down economics.
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That's been their policy since Reagan, and that's still their policy is trickle down economics.
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You want to know what trickle down economics is?
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We're going to give tax cuts to the ultra wealthy and hope, pray out of the
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kindness of their hearts.
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That they're going to funnel that money down to everyone else.
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Man, get real. Who in their right mind thinks that that's a sound plan?
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And to this day, it has not happened.
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You know who always fights against an increase in minimum wage?
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Republicans. Who always fights against universal health care? Republicans.
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Who just tried to take away your SNAP benefits.
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Republicans. Damn it, people. They don't care about you.
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They don't care about your struggles.
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They are the party of the ultra wealthy.
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Get it through your skulls, please. I mean, I don't want to call people dumb,
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but goddamn, it ain't that hard to tell.
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They don't like you. They don't care about you unless you are rich.
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Get rid of this perception that.
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And I mean, like the latest poll that came out, Republicans are better on the
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economy. It's such bullshit.
29:51
Open your eyes, people. Open your eyes, please. Go ahead, my brother.
29:58
Oh, I'm going to just add one more thing to yours.
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Please look up the definition of tariffs. Everybody that's listening.
30:06
Nothing but a tax. Please look it up. You pay it. No one else does.
30:11
So I want to talk about three or two horrible things that happened to three
30:17
people specifically in the last week or so.
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First, a little known crime that happened was the murder of Grammy nominated
30:29
artists named Jubilant Sykes.
30:33
I'm not familiar with this. So he was on December 8th. He's 71 years old. He's a singer. Okay.
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He was stabbed and killed by his own son.
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I have heard about this. So his 31-year-old son, Micah, was arrested on the
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scene for suspicion of murder.
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I'm not sure if he's been formally charged yet, but Sykes was a,
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he was nominated in 2010 for a classical album for his performance with Leonard Bernstein's Mass.
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And he also performed at the at a carnegie hall the hollywood bowl and the metropolitan opera,
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so little known it it just kind of got swept under the under the rug and you
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would think for this next one i'm going to talk about these happened a week
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apart this just wasn't talked about at all but now what happened on december
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14th one of my favorite people rob reiner yeah Yeah, for sure.
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With his son killing him and his own mother. Yeah.
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You know, not saying one life is more precious than the other.
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Killing your parents in general is just, I couldn't even imagine. Mm-mm.
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But to stab a person, I mean, that's a personal crime, to stab your mother and your father. Yeah.
31:48
And, I mean, I don't really have too much to add to it other than it's just
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a horrible, horrible tragedy. to what seems like two wonderful human beings.
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So I just want to say rest in peace to all three.
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Lord knows, I hate to see their sons get life, you know, spend the rest of their
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lives in jail, but that's exactly what the hell they're going to get.
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Are you going to touch on this again in your closing monologue? No.
32:17
Well, since you're not, I want to talk about the fact,
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That this asshole. Oh, yeah. Tweeted.
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Rob Reiner was killed because he had Trump derangement syndrome.
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OK, first, let's stop right there.
32:38
There is no such thing as Trump derangement syndrome.
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No medical book will have that
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listed as an ailment or an illness is just something that they made up.
32:52
But to insert yourself into this, you are one narcissistic, dumb piece of shit of a human being.
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No one knows why he killed those people except for him.
33:09
At this point, they say he struggled with drugs. They say he struggled with mental illness.
33:15
There's probably a multitude of reasons or maybe something very simple.
33:20
But I doubt very seriously that he said, I'm gonna kill my effing parents for Trump. Fuck you.
33:29
That's what I got to say about that. So when you make Marjorie Taylor Greene
33:35
the voice of reason, you know, you don't overstate.
33:39
And then to double down. Right.
33:42
Oh, yeah, I didn't like that. Well, let me give you my my my sequel and to double
33:48
down and still say horrible things.
33:51
It's so funny to me That when Charlie Kirk was killed I cannot believe That
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you all would say these horrible things About a husband and a father,
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Rob Reiner Who has spent a lifetime A lifetime A lifetime,
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Away from the TV screen and on the screen.
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Because remember, we grew up watching Meathead being the liberal,
34:18
progressive voice of reason.
34:20
That's who he was. Yes, exactly. It wasn't an act. It's who he was. And he grew up rich.
34:28
His father was rich. Carl Reiner. Exactly.
34:32
So for this, this person to say these things, hell, about anybody,
34:40
about anybody that was just that was just murdered by their own child. Correct.
34:45
It's just it's insane to me. And for those who are saying, well,
34:49
if you don't like to leave the country, I'll open up a GoFundMe,
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send me ten thousand dollars.
34:53
I'll be on the first thing smoking out of this damn place until he's voted out
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of office. How about this? You leave the country. Well, that too. Yeah.
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But I ain't got no problem leaving because I just go to the Caribbean and put my feet up. Yeah.
35:06
Yeah. You leave the country because you're not indigenous either. So there is also that.
35:14
I don't even like the Charlie Kirk comparisons, bro.
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No, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's such a false equivalency.
35:22
And, and not to, not to get too deep in the weeds, but all of the comparisons to famous folk,
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well, famous folk that have been assassinated being compared to him in general
35:35
was disingenuous and it was insulting.
35:40
It is insulting, bro.
35:42
Like the first time I heard somebody comparing to Martin Luther King,
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I was furious. Correct. What? Correct.
35:50
People were getting fired, reprimanded for quoting Charlie Kirk,
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which tells you everything you need to know.
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He was not a good person. I'm sorry. We can call a spade a spade.
36:05
He wasn't a good person. And look, here's the thing.
36:09
He probably treated his wife like a queen, probably treated his kids wonderful. So what?
36:15
It's OK. You're supposed to do that. Exactly. But you're supposed to have,
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since you're claiming to be all Christ-like.
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You're supposed to have empathy for others. You're supposed to have empathy
36:28
for others. Period. End of story. That's it. Yeah. End of story.
36:33
Rob Reiner, whether you agree with his politics or not, he was never controversial. Nope.
36:42
He was never a race baiter. he was always just equal for everyone,
36:51
these are the laws let's treat everyone fairly that was his whole thing and
36:58
put his money where his mouth was and put his money where his mouth was so and
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on top of that he wasn't a political figure maybe the most political movie he did was a few good men,
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which we talked about what in the last podcast ass
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i believe but he
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really like his movies weren't political no
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they were just good they were just good you know
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what i'm saying so so to even know rob
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reiner's politics you would kind of have to seek them out because he didn't
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put it out there like michael moore you know what i'm saying yeah and that's
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not a diss at michael moore that's not a shot at michael moore what i'm saying
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And Michael Moore put it out there that this is where I stand.
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I'm doing documentaries. Rob Reiner didn't do that.
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Was beloved on both sides of the aisle. Because of the person.
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Because of the person and as an artist. Oh yeah. He was beloved.
37:59
So that's why I'm like it's such a false equivalency to compare him to Charlie
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Kirk. Charlie Kirk wasn't an artist.
38:07
Charlie Kirk is famous because of his race baiting.
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Because of the inflammatory things that he said.
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It's the only reason why he's famous.
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Turning Point would not be famous or relevant if he just talked about politics.
38:28
It was the race baiting that made him move to the next level in the political
38:35
atmosphere or even in the American news atmosphere.
38:40
It was all about the race baiting.
38:42
It was all about the stereotyping.
38:44
It was all about the homophobia.
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I may have said this a couple episodes ago because it's sticking in my mind.
38:52
Have you ever noticed that it's never about well we're going to make this turning
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point USA for the progression of the people who rock with me.
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It's always we're going to start this organization and tear down people who
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don't look like that part.
39:13
That part. Now, I mean, you want to start an organization to help benefit folks,
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raise them up, help them get jobs, do things.
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Do you. Yep. But the second that you start.
39:24
The whole platform comes about tearing other folks down. Yeah.
39:29
So you can rise up when when when this country was made for you by you.
39:37
You've never been a victim here.
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I don't give a damn what you think. You've never been a victim here.
39:45
This country is set up for you to win.
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So if you don't win, it's kind of a you problem. Don't blame nobody else.
39:54
I mean, you're getting all the spades. You just don't know how to play them.
40:01
You got a Boston in your hand by yourself. Right.
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You can't make it happen. Right, and you can't win. Right, that's on you.
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That ain't on nobody else.
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And now they're, you know, in Texas especially, progressing toward,
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progressing forward, having a Turning Point USA club in every high school in Texas.
40:21
Lord have mercy. Now, there's plenty of clubs.
40:25
We didn't have many clubs when
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we were in high school, which had the drama club and one or two of them.
40:31
I can think of a lot of the clubs that the kids had when they were in school or your kids' school.
40:36
I mean, that big old school has 30, 40 clubs. I can't think of anything at all
40:42
that would make Turning Point USA a beneficial club for anyone in any high school
40:48
in this damn country. What are you going to talk about?
40:52
Brainwashing. Because they already have young Republicans.
40:57
I'm sure Democrats, Democrat clubs or whatever the case may be.
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So you already have the Young Republican clubs.
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What specifically are you going to mold the Young Republicans into the Turning Point USA club?
41:10
Because there's a lot of Republicans out there that don't rock with anything
41:12
that Charlie Curtis said. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I know a few of them. Teach hate.
41:17
That's all they want. They teach hate.
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Let me teach you how to hate others while hiding it under the guise of religion.
41:27
Yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah. which is so antithetical to religion.
41:34
There was a, there's a meme, well, there's a video that went around a while
41:39
back and there's a white lady and she said, you know what's not in the Bible
41:44
that most people just can't seem to wrap their head around?
41:47
And she looked right in the camera and said, white folks, and she was white.
41:53
Perfect, perfect. And we gonna leave that right there. That was perfect.
41:57
All right, y'all, We are moving to our work, everyone's favorite segment,
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including mine, a rant about a random topic.
42:08
You want to go first, bro? Go ahead, bro. Take it away. I got to get it off
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my chest. So driving over here.
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Go ahead, bro. I wasn't in no particular mood when I left the house.
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It was just a normal day. Spent the whole day with my grandson.
42:24
Left the house. Was driving. A lot of traffic out.
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Going on 465. Way more traffic than I expected.
42:33
But then I started thinking to myself, and I'm sure somebody else is thinking the same thing.
42:37
Where in the hell is all where are all of these
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damn people going at six o'clock on a saturday
42:43
it's christmas time bro it looked like 8 a.m on
42:47
a monday morning rushing downtown rushing to the stores to spend that money
42:52
to give it away so i get off on the exit that leads me down the street that
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brings me to this street yes sir speed limit's 40 yep from the highway all the way down,
43:04
I never got above 22 miles an hour.
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For three and a half miles, I drove between 20 and 22 miles an hour.
43:20
Right, right, right, right. It was one car holding up the whole show.
43:25
And then what does, no, it was two cars. It was the first and the second one.
43:29
And then I get to the light to turn to come this way. And I'm like,
43:33
thank God I'm going to be by myself. Nope.
43:36
A second car changed lanes. Yeah.
43:40
That car turns right behind it. Light turn green.
43:44
I'm getting ready to turn car come from the other way. He ain't got no light
43:48
because we got the arrow.
43:50
So he runs it. Then the car that was in front of me at first decides to make
43:55
a left turn into the apartment complex. Right. You turn.
43:58
Yeah. Held a traffic for about another 30 seconds.
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Then I get to your your community. Put on my blink. Car in front of me going 32 and a 40.
44:11
He throws his blinker on. I have to slam on the brakes in order to make the
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turn. So I said all that to say this.
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Whatever happened to just going home?
44:30
Just go. And I noticed somebody's listening to this going, he got a lot of nerves.
44:36
He just said he was driving. Right. I'm just one guy.
44:40
Where are all of these people going? I feel you. It's pitch black. Yep. At 530. Yep.
44:47
Go home. Well, it is the last weekend before Christmas, so that's probably why traffic is thick.
44:53
But I feel you because some days I be driving like. Oh, I know you being ready
44:59
to pull your hair out with your job. No, no, no, no, no. Not even on my job.
45:02
Like on my off days and I'm like running some errands and it's like noon.
45:06
And the traffic is thick, and I'm going, why in the hell ain't y'all at work?
45:12
But then I have to stop and go, but, bro, you're not at work either.
45:16
You ain't at work either.
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I feel you. I do. But for me, I just don't get it, man.
45:25
No, I get it.
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You know? And I know it sounds stupid, y'all, but that's just how I feel.
45:33
It's really a patience thing.
45:36
And it's something that I'm getting better at because I do still find myself
45:41
getting angry in traffic, too.
45:42
And just be like, why are you driving so slow? I've gotten better at it.
45:47
I'm getting better at it. But I still catch myself getting angry, too.
45:51
Because I think one of the reasons I stopped being so angry,
45:56
I won't say what happened when the kids was little.
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Because, yeah, that's... Yeah, don't.
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If it's the same story I'm thinking of, don't. But I remember pulling into a
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gas station at the same time as the person that I was arguing with.
46:14
And I thought to myself, man, all these people around, this fool ain't crazy. He was crazy.
46:20
So I said, okay, cool. I guess I'm going to have to get crazy too.
46:23
We yelled, argued with each other. But he was yelling as he was walking into the store.
46:27
And I was just going to pump some gas and dip out. And then I thought to myself.
46:32
If he was shot you, what are you doing? Right.
46:36
Put the gas in the car and keep it pushing. Right. What are you doing?
46:40
You got kids. You got grandkids. Right.
46:42
Chill out. Right. With that being said, I was screaming and cussing on the way over here.
46:46
Right. I just wasn't directly into somebody. Right. I was doing it to myself.
46:51
Oh, no. I feel you, bro. I feel you. I feel you.
46:54
I almost want to say it's a natural instinct. Maybe for us, because somebody
46:59
else is going, I never do that.
47:01
Yeah. I'm there. I'm with you. I'm with you, bro. Get the same way.
47:05
I ain't even gonna lie. I still get the same way.
47:07
I guess I hate, like you said, why are you driving below the speed limit?
47:15
That's what, and I don't mean like if you're going 20 in a 25. Yeah, I mean.
47:22
I mean, like you said, if you're going. 23 in a 40?
47:25
In a 40. Yeah, just like, seriously? So you're going to impede all of our progress?
47:31
That part. I get you, bro. I'm with you. And you in a Mercedes truck.
47:37
That I know can go a hundred. Right. As soon as you hit the gas,
47:41
you three blocks from there in three seconds.
47:43
If you're scared to drive, then get off the road.
47:46
Go home. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I feel you. I feel you. I want to talk about was that it?
47:52
Yeah. I feel better now. All right. Cool. Cool. Cool.
47:55
I want to talk about and maybe you guys are familiar with the story.
47:59
Maybe you're not, but you will be.
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You see these fools who bought these pennies earlier this week at this auction?
48:08
OK, great. So there were two hundred and thirty two sets of three pennies.
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Sold at auctions this week.
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Okay. The last minted pennies because, you know, they're not going to make pennies anymore.
48:28
How much is a penny worth? Supposed to be a penny. One cent.
48:33
So two hundred and thirty two multiplied by three is what?
48:39
Six hundred and ninety six. So basically you got seven dollars worth of pennies.
48:47
Right. And these are spread out amongst different auctioners.
48:53
These people spent a collective sixteen point seven six million dollars on pennies.
49:06
Must be nice you spent
49:09
millions of dollars on pennies make that make sense now i am leaving out a key
49:17
detail a couple of them were 24 carry gold but it's still a penny i got a 24
49:24
carry gold chain at the crib i got one around my neck right now it ain't worth 16 million.
49:32
I don't get it. Now, the again, like I said, these were spread out over multiple people.
49:40
Right. So it's not just one Yahoo spent this money, but the highest bid for
49:47
a set was eight hundred thousand dollars.
49:51
So somebody spent eight
49:55
hundred thousand dollars of their money
49:58
to buy three pennies three
50:02
cent basically bro you know how much that
50:04
shit gonna be were three cent bro but this goes back to the podcast are being
50:11
subjective and how do you assign value in the real world three cent is three
50:19
cent I don't care if it's gold plated or not. It's a penny.
50:23
Yeah. It ain't worth a damn thing.
50:25
You just spent eight hundred thousand dollars on three cent.
50:31
I don't understand, bro. I don't understand.
50:35
So these same people who spent all of this money on pennies,
50:40
how much did y'all fools donate to charity?
50:43
Not a charity. That's the money's going to circle back to you somehow. Wow.
50:49
You go to the inner city and donate that money to families in need.
50:54
Buy coats for kids. Buy shoes for kids.
50:58
Buy food and groceries for kids. But you just spent this money. And look, I get it.
51:05
You can't tell somebody how to spend their money. You're right. I can't. It's theirs.
51:09
Don't know how they got it. Maybe they got it earnestly.
51:12
Maybe they hustled for it. Maybe they committed fraud. that's irrelevant is
51:17
their money but you spent that much money on some shit that's worthless.
51:24
I don't I don't understand it, bro. I don't know.
51:28
Somebody 20 or 30 years from now will assign value to that at 20 million, 25.
51:35
And I'll still be sitting there saying, according to who? Right. According to you.
51:41
Because if I take those three pennies and go to the store, they're going to
51:45
be like, get out of here. Because what?
51:47
There's three pennies. Yeah. What you what? What you want me to do with this?
51:50
Give me the rest of my money.
51:54
Well, the commercials that we used to see when they would talk about,
51:57
get these minted gold bars. Yeah.
52:01
I forget what famous actor used to do those commercials when we were growing up.
52:04
I know exactly what you're talking about. I can't call it, but I know exactly
52:08
what you're talking about. Fresh from the mint. You know, get yours for $16.95.
52:11
I'm like, that's a quarter, dog. Right.
52:13
Right. That's a quarter. Now, if I'm spending $16.95 on it, I'm spending it
52:17
because I, oh, that looks kind of cool. Get this commemorative. Yeah.
52:21
Why the hell could not think of that word? Civil War coin. Last thing I want
52:25
is a damn Civil War coin. Right, right, right.
52:28
Wait, it's worth 25 cents, but you want me to send you $25.99 for it?
52:35
Nah, I'm cool. I'm real cool.
52:40
I got a bunch of them in my bank in the room. And I mean, like,
52:45
we get it, y'all. Well, Michael Jordan's rookie card is worth an insane amount of money.
52:54
The baseball that Mark McGuire broke Hank Aaron's record, I think it went for like a million dollars.
53:02
They roof's rookie card is worth an insane amount of money. But here's the difference.
53:10
Did Hank Aaron pick that penny up and hit it with his bat? Hell no.
53:14
It was minted. It was circulated or was rushed through all of this.
53:19
That ball being worth a million dollars, that ball was hit by a famous baseball
53:24
player, breaking a record.
53:28
Things like that, I can see. But three cents?
53:32
Yeah, I feel you. 800 Gs for three cents? I feel you. It goes back to that commercial,
53:38
that meta commercial with Chris Hemsworth, Chris Jenner, and I forget who.
53:42
Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. With the banana.
53:44
Yeah, yeah, yeah. And he eats it. Yeah.
53:46
And then there was the one I think I talked about on that podcast,
53:49
Assign of Value, where the dude went into the museum and took off a pair of
53:54
shoes, sat in the middle of the floor, and then walked away. Right.
53:56
And when he came back, people were crowding around taking pictures.
54:00
Like, what's wrong with y'all? Is this art to you? Yeah.
54:04
Yeah. Yeah, it's really strange to me, man.
54:08
Like we said in that podcast, how things that are really of no value, how they attain value.
54:19
Easiest way to commit a white collar crime. All these famous artists,
54:23
they died broke. Van Gogh died broke.
54:25
Now his paintings are worth millions. Why? Because somebody saw it and said,
54:30
you know what? I'm going to put this up and I'm going to slap a tag on it. Yep. Mona Lisa.
54:37
Not even a good painting. What is this? And like she's just an ordinary looking ass woman.
54:44
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, bro. Yeah. Anything else you want to add to that?
54:50
All right. Cool. Cool. Cool. Good segment, man. All right. Now,
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guys, we're going to go to our movie review.
54:57
Our segment called Five on the Blackhand side. And today we're going to review a movie.
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It came out a few years ago. So it's not exactly a new movie,
55:08
but it's not that old either.
55:10
Came out in 2024, actually. The movie is called The American Society of Magical Negroes.
55:19
Now, this does not have an all-black cast.
55:23
Technically, it's not a black movie.
55:26
But the subject matter and the plot makes it a black movie. And what do I mean by that?
55:35
Well, this movie is about...
55:39
Oh, man, I guess it's kind of hard for me to contextualize it.
55:42
So I guess the easiest way would be to give you an example.
55:47
And if you think of Bagger Vance, the legend of Bagger Vance,
55:52
this is what this movie sort of encapsulates, right?
55:57
Gosh, I didn't want to use this term, but token black people who are put in
56:01
stories just to prop up the white protagonists.
56:07
Am I hitting that right, brother? Yep. I want to I want to read the the official
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air quotes description.
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The American Society of Magical Negroes is a satirical fantasy comedy written
56:20
and directed by Kobe Libby.
56:21
It takes its title from the magical Negro cinematic trope,
56:26
a supporting black character who exists slowly to help a white protagonist achieve
56:34
their goals through mystical wisdom or power. Mm hmm.
56:38
And so there are some really, really funny scenes. And this movie stars David Allen Greer.
56:48
It stars Justice Smith and a lot of other faces that you'd recognize.
56:53
But the names you probably won't. So I won't get into them.
56:56
But those are the two most recognizable. So real quick, you know,
56:59
what's funny to me about Justin Smith's character is the fact that he is described
57:03
as a timid artist turned magical Negro. Yeah. Yeah.
57:08
Which he is. Yeah, it is. It's just funny.
57:12
Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, that's exactly what he is.
57:15
But but but but yeah, this this movie basically pokes fun at that magical Negro
57:23
trope or that token blackie trope.
57:27
You know, my only purpose is to make the white man feel good. Right.
57:33
That's that's the gist of this movie. It's not a great movie,
57:38
but I do think if you understand satire.
57:43
You can enjoy this. I enjoyed the first half of it. There were some really funny
57:48
parts. I mean, you got David Alan Greer.
57:50
He's a great comedic legend.
57:53
You're going to have some funny parts. Thank you.
57:57
Where I think the movie takes an odd turn is it starts to focus on a love story.
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Had it just stuck with the magical Negro trope and how I'm going to spoil this. I'm sorry.
58:11
So spoiler alert, spoiler alert. How they break out of the trope is because
58:17
Justice Smith finally goes to hell with this. To hell with this.
58:22
Yeah. done being the supporting character this is my story I want some good
58:27
things to happen to me so that's how they break out of the spell but they don't want to right,
58:35
that's the whole thing they've all accepted well it's a centuries old society
58:42
they've been around forever they consider it an honor to be part of the,
58:50
yeah white white appeasement.
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I'm telling y'all y'all gotta watch it yes it sounds ridiculous but I think
59:04
that's the point yeah it's yeah it's meant so so for those who are wondering
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never heard the term magical negro was it Spike Lee that coined it yeah so just
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some examples of movies the Green Mile which I know is one of your favorite movies. It is.
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The Legend of Bagger Vance. Yes. Ghost.
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Yes. Good one. I'm about to mess you up with the next one. The Matrix.
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I can see it. Morpheus. For sure. I can see it. Forrest Gump.
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100%. Bubba. Yes, sir. What Dreams May Come.
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Cuba Gooden Jr. Yes. Yes. And last but not least, one of our favorites, Shawshank Redemption.
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Hold alone. Stop. Time out. Damn near any Morgan Freeman movie, dawg. Batman?
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I'm just trying to drive it to the store, Miss Daisy. Oh, man,
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I forgot about driving Miss Daisy, which I've seen a million times,
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which makes no sense that I've seen driving Miss Daisy a million times.
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Oh, bro, when you said Morgan Freeman, I'm just like, shit, this is the only
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kind of road that this dude plays.
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Wow, bro. Yeah. And we can, I mean, hell, we could take it all the way back
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to, shoot, Super Soul, Cleavon Little, way back in the 70s.
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Yeah, yeah, for real. Even the beloved Sidney Poitier.
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Lilies of the Field. Yes, sir.
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Yes, sir. Forgot about that movie. Yeah, well, I mean, and...
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Oh, boy, he was Homer Smith. Homer Smith.
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That's not to say that we don't like those actors or we don't like those movies.
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I mean, because those are all good movies. it's.
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And I mean, we talked about this in Burn, Hollywood, Burn. Y'all really should
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like if this is your first time tuning in, you really should go back and listen
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to some of our previous podcasts because we've talked about these things. Right.
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We've talked about how value being assigned is really bullshit.
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It's totally subjective.
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We've talked about on Burn, Hollywood, Burn, how some of these tropes have played
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black actors for centuries.
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So and it's it's difficult to to
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fix that because then you look at all these movies like
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the ones i just mentioned phenomenal movie great
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movie every single one great movies great movies
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great acting great right great acting great actors yep but it exists and and
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and this movie like i said it The first half encapsulates everything we're talking
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about. Bro, why couldn't Morpheus be the one?
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Right? What's a funny story about that?
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You know that was supposed to be Will Smith. Uh-huh. Will Smith was supposed
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to be Neo. Yeah. He turned it down. Yeah.
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Which means Morpheus probably wouldn't have been Norris Fishburne.
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It would have probably been a white guy, which would have probably shattered
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the whole magical Negro trope.
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No, I don't think so. I think they probably, they might.
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Well, still. Trinity probably, now I know she eventually ended up in the movies.
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Yeah. But she would have, I mean, for those that don't, that only know Will
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Smith and Jada Pinkett for what they are now, she absolutely would have been
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Trinity if Will Smith would have been Neo.
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I think she would have been brought in way sooner. Interesting.
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To be Trinity. Interesting.
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So by Will, by Will turning that down, you think they like reshubled the whole cast there?
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It wouldn't surprise me. Mm.
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That's interesting, bro. Oh, they probably would have, like, grabbed...
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Bro what's her name charlie's
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oh charlie's deron yeah they would have grabbed her okay did to do the hancock
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thing or whatever okay that that makes sense that makes sense but but but yeah
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to get to get back to the american society of magical negroes I.
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Yes, watch this movie, but lower your expectations.
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Again, the premise is great.
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The plot is great. It starts out very interesting.
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It takes a turn where they start to focus on the love story aspect.
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That's when I felt like oh you lost the plot because it says to me.
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You didn't want to break the spell because you just thought,
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I'm tired of propping up the white man.
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You wanted to break the spell because you wanted the white girl,
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which is problematic within itself.
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That's the only reason. That's the only reason you wanted to break the spell
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was because you wanted the white girl, not because you were like.
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Hold on, man, I'm just as good as you. This is wild. I got out of this.
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Yeah. Yeah. You were totally cool accepting the truth.
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You were cool being the supporting character until you couldn't get the girl.
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Forget the girl. Do it for you. Do it for us.
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Do it because you want to elevate and you realize I'm just as good, if not better.
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Not because I'm chasing up behind some stinking ass heffa sorry yeah i'm on
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one today i'm on one but you know but other than that,
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i like this movie but i i
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i i can't give it two high fives on the
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black hand side i'm gonna give it one high five and on
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the black hand side and i will i will follow you all right
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all right cool all right y'all that's our
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movie review for the week and now we gonna move into the closing
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monologue my brother the floor is yours appreciate you
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so i want to speak directly to
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parents today we spend
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a lot of time worrying about our kids who they hang out with how they're doing
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at school their futures but we often stay silent when it comes to milestones
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in their lives because we don't want to be the uh i use quotations the buzzkill
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so for this specific story i'm asking you to be the buzzkill.
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Me? No. Oh, okay, okay. I'm sorry.
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So, I'm asking you to be the voice of reason. So, this subject is personal to me.
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Difficult to talk about, but...
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If I could go back and speak to a younger generation, the message would be simple.
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You are enough without a goddamn drink in your hand.
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Talk to your kids before their 21st birthday.
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Validate that they do not have to follow the people around them.
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Let them know that staying sober or just stopping at one drink doesn't make them boring.
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It makes them smart and it keeps them safe.
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Break the cycle one birthday at
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a time that's all i got to say about it
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cool i appreciate it all right
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y'all that concludes this episode of
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for the fam podcast episode 15 white
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collar crime we touched on a lot of stuff today good podcast bro
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i i enjoyed it i enjoyed it a lot listen y'all we gonna keep saying this all
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