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#1776 TikTok, Facial Recognition & Ghost Guns - Patrick Bonello · The You Project

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  Speaker 1: I get a team.
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  Speaker 2: Welcome to another in storming the show, Tiffany and Cook, Patrick,
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  Speaker 2: James Bonello, Me Fatty Harps from La tro Valley.
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  Speaker 1: Hope you haveving a bloody great day.
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  Speaker 2: Let's start with the It's going to say the chick
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  Speaker 2: in the top left, but you can't say that because
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  Speaker 2: it's an indictable offense. So we'll say the young lady
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  Speaker 2: who's the top of my screen on the left, tight tip.
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  Speaker 3: The thirty percent dude. Isn't that what you call with
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  Speaker 3: thirty percent? Dude?
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  Speaker 2: Very well, I think you freely admit you're about thirty
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  Speaker 2: percent dude.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't think.
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  Speaker 1: I don't think you mind it either.
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  Speaker 3: That's all right, it's all right.
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  Speaker 5: It makes me feel tough, brot bit of behavioral leeway
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  Speaker 5: in life.
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  Speaker 2: Well, two percent more dude than Patrick, So well done,
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  Speaker 2: Hi Patrick, stop it?
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  Speaker 4: No, then there's officially now too, aren't there? Are we
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  Speaker 4: getting political on this one, because that's no, No, we're not.
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  Speaker 1: We're not opening that door.
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  Speaker 2: No, you're one hundred percent man, despite your T shirt
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  Speaker 2: that says zombies eat flesh.
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  Speaker 4: Do you like it? Yeah?
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  Speaker 2: I love it?
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  Speaker 4: Bombie face? Can I tell us I'm good? Thank you.
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  Speaker 4: I've got a bit of a funny day today. I've
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  Speaker 4: got to get my car serviced and I'm chatting to
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  Speaker 4: Tiff later tatt and to Tiff now. It's kind of
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  Speaker 4: the most exciting thing of my day. But you know, I,
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  Speaker 4: did you ever watch the Walking Dead series? The Zombie series? I?
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  Speaker 2: No, I'm not a zombie. I don't hate it. It's
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  Speaker 2: just doesn't do it for me. You know, the Walking
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  Speaker 2: Dead type stuff doesn't do it for me.
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  Speaker 4: Okay, I may have got a bit obsessive. I resisted.
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  Speaker 4: I do. I'm one of these people who Game of Thrones.
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  Speaker 4: I'm not watching it. I'm not watching that because everybody's
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  Speaker 4: watching it. I'm going to resist. And then what I
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  Speaker 4: do is three seasons in someone says, go on, just
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  Speaker 4: try it, and then I binge it. And so I
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  Speaker 4: started binging the Walking Dead and got so into zombies
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  Speaker 4: that I was walking through bunnings and I'm thinking, crowbar, No,
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  Speaker 4: that's too heavy to swing. What would I use use
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  Speaker 4: in the zombie apocalypse? Because a crowbar is great because
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  Speaker 4: it's really heavy and solid, but it's impractical. If you're
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  Speaker 4: doing the swings, it's got to be samurai swords like
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  Speaker 4: two sorts because they're very sharp, they're very strong, and
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  Speaker 4: you can move around with them a lot. But so yeah,
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  Speaker 4: it's a bit of a worry. And then I go
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  Speaker 4: to garden sales, you know when they have like trash
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  Speaker 4: and treasure sales and people sell tools and stuff, and
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  Speaker 4: they have all the tools laid out same thing. I'm
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  Speaker 4: walking around thinking, good for zombies. Nut that to be impractical.
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  Speaker 4: So maybe, like, I like where you're going.
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  Speaker 2: But I think samurai sword's pretty cumbersome, pretty heavy, by
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  Speaker 2: the way.
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  Speaker 4: And pretty big one. I used to have one.
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  Speaker 2: I have a number of could I say, you did
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  Speaker 2: not have a samurai sword. You had some shitty, cheap
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  Speaker 2: replica from probably kmart.
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  Speaker 4: See there you go the samurai saw that I got.
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  Speaker 4: So a friend of mine heer here.
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  Speaker 1: We go, Tip, Here we go tip.
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  Speaker 4: Japan, and was presented with a Samurai saw and she
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  Speaker 4: gave me the Samurai sword. I gifted it to a
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  Speaker 4: friend of mine who since passed away, who is a
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  Speaker 4: ten dan martial arts expert, and I gave that to
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  Speaker 4: him as a gift. But I did hold the Samurai sword.
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  Speaker 4: And maybe it's because you've got painted on arms, but
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  Speaker 4: I didn't think it was that heavy.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, now we're having a personal attack on Jumbo. Last night,
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  Speaker 2: I got picked on in the gym this morning. I'm
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  Speaker 2: getting picked your arms as well.
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  Speaker 5: For your shoulders was last night. So there's a correlation there.
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  Speaker 4: Muscles, they're not practical muscles because the thing is your
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  Speaker 4: arms are too big. You're probably not going to be
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  Speaker 4: practical in the zombie apocalypse with the samurai sword purely
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  Speaker 4: because you're too but you're not going to have the
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  Speaker 4: flexibility and the movement to be able to get around
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  Speaker 4: and swing at those zombies. TIF would be okay because
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  Speaker 4: being all right.
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  Speaker 2: So if there's three blokes in a car park and
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  Speaker 2: option A is you, an option as me, Option B
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  Speaker 2: is me, I reckon.
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  Speaker 1: I'll go all right, I reckon I might Outlast year.
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  Speaker 4: I've won every one of my fights by one hundred
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  Speaker 4: meters accelerating. I know this has nothing to do with tech,
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  Speaker 4: do you know want to say to my tai chi students,
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  Speaker 4: because tai chi, as you know, I practice tai chi
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  Speaker 4: and I teach tai chi, which is a very slow
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  Speaker 4: moving martial art which is good for muscle memory. But
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  Speaker 4: really what it is is designed to use the opponent's
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  Speaker 4: energy against them. So if someone threw a punch at you,
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  Speaker 4: the idea is that, rather than resisting, you would kind
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  Speaker 4: of deflect the punch. Besides, you throw them off balance.
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  Speaker 4: But really it's about disarming, getting them away from you,
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  Speaker 4: and then running off. You don't fight people, you just
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  Speaker 4: run away from them.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, that sounds like the worst martial art ever. Okay,
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  Speaker 2: as a relaxation practice, awesome. But rather than try and
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  Speaker 2: wait for the punches to come and then deflect them
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  Speaker 2: and run, why not just punch the person in the
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  Speaker 2: face who's try want to hurt you, just run in
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  Speaker 2: the first place, because maybe they can run faster. We
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  Speaker 2: don't recommend violence at all, avoid violence at all costs,
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  Speaker 2: but if you need to protect yourself, do so. T
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  Speaker 2: was before speaking it go on trying helps.
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  Speaker 4: Do you know a grown man blubbering like a child
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  Speaker 4: probably would make you seem so pathetic they wouldn't hit
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  Speaker 4: you anyway. I don't know from experience, No, I really haven't.
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  Speaker 4: I know. I think I've only ever been in two fights,
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  Speaker 4: and I could kind of embarrassed to say this, But
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  Speaker 4: there was a bully at school who was bigger than
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  Speaker 4: everybody else, and it was my turn to be bullied.
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  Speaker 4: So I punched him in the face and he was
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  Speaker 4: scared of me for the rest about io at school.
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  Speaker 1: Wow, Wow, so you bullied the bully.
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  Speaker 4: I believe the bully. Yeah, that's a true story.
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  Speaker 2: So you just told us about you don't fight, you
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  Speaker 2: deflect and you run, and then you just seconds later
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  Speaker 2: tell us about how you assaulted.
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  Speaker 4: Somebody discovered side. Now I'm going to get.
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  Speaker 2: You've got to get your fucking stories straight. You keep
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  Speaker 2: contradicting yourself seen.
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  Speaker 4: And you're an idiot because, come on, let's face it,
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  Speaker 4: fifteen hormones go and all that sort of stuff actually
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  Speaker 4: was probably fourteen truth. It was just a kid, weedy kid.
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  Speaker 2: Which hormones? Exactly did you have going? That's my question?
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  Speaker 4: No, don't you remember how hard it was being a teenager.
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  Speaker 4: It was awful. I was really bad at being a teenager.
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  Speaker 2: I'm bad at being a human, doesn't matter what the
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  Speaker 2: fucking ac je. I'm still trying to figure sit out.
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  Speaker 2: That's why I talk about human behavior always.
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  Speaker 4: H I was a nerd all my life. I don't
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  Speaker 4: think I've ever not been a nerd, you know, I was.
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  Speaker 4: I had my photo in the paper at thirteen on
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  Speaker 4: the Herald Son as a cyber man because I used
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  Speaker 4: to be part of the Doctor Who fan club.
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  Speaker 2: Wow, that's and you're still talking about that seventy years later.
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  Speaker 2: Else you told everyone my arms are painted on. I
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  Speaker 2: want to talk a little bit about tech. Well, it's
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  Speaker 2: it's not really it's very low. I know, I know
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  Speaker 2: that's your job. But TIF have you ever listened to
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  Speaker 2: a fiction book?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah?
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  Speaker 2: I listen to shit all the time, but it's always
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  Speaker 2: you know, self help of psychology or whatever. Have you
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  Speaker 2: ever listened to a fiction book on audio, audible or whatever?
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, I don't like it. I can't do it, really, No,
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  Speaker 5: I have to read them fiction books. I've read nonfiction.
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  Speaker 5: I listened to nonfiction, but I can't do fiction.
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  Speaker 2: On I've never listened to one in my life, but
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  Speaker 2: I am now, so I'm listening to my first one.
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  Speaker 2: It's called The Gray Man. It's the most ridiculous. I
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  Speaker 2: mean it's it's it's full of violence and revenge and
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  Speaker 2: retribution and heroism. But it's so fucking ridiculous. But my
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  Speaker 2: rule is I can only listen because because I'm so
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  Speaker 2: into it, it'll stop me from doing work. So my
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  Speaker 2: rule is I can only listen to it when I'm walking.
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  Speaker 2: And I woke up at five o'clock this morning. I
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  Speaker 2: so want to know what happens next. I got out
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  Speaker 2: of bed and started walking at five oh two so
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  Speaker 2: I could hear what happens next, I got to say,
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  Speaker 2: And it's like, I don't know what it is twelve hours.
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  Speaker 2: I'm like, eleven hours in I feel like there's going
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  Speaker 2: to be another one on the horizon. But how good
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  Speaker 2: is it that we have? I know that that's been
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  Speaker 2: around forever, But do you listen to fiction?
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  Speaker 1: Mate?
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  Speaker 4: Science fiction? Fiction has been my bread and butter since
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  Speaker 4: I was probably about seven years older. Case I started
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  Speaker 4: off with The Magic Far Away Tree right Enid Blyton,
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  Speaker 4: and I got to the end of the series. I
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  Speaker 4: was so upset when the book's finished. I started writing
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  Speaker 4: my own stories with the same characters. And I used
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  Speaker 4: to go to the children's library every No one's going
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  Speaker 4: to be surprised by this. I used to go to
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  Speaker 4: the children's library every Saturday in Kober and then one
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  Speaker 4: day I asked for a book that someone had recommended,
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  Speaker 4: and they said, oh, look, that's in the adult library.
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  Speaker 4: And I said, oh really, And they said no, no,
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  Speaker 4: you just go across the road there to the adult
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  Speaker 4: library and then you can get it from there. And
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  Speaker 4: it's like, oh, I'm allowed. So as a like eight
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  Speaker 4: or nine year old, I'd suddenly discovered that I could
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  Speaker 4: go to the adult library and then my future of
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  Speaker 4: sci fi just blew my head apart. I just started
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  Speaker 4: reading adult sci fi from about that age and I
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  Speaker 4: loved it. And then in audiobooks, I've got one constantly
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  Speaker 4: on the go, a lot of fantasy. I like fantasy stuff,
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  Speaker 4: but sci fi fantasy constantly on the go.
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  Speaker 2: What's the best? What's your favorite all time? And I
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  Speaker 2: know you're going to say it's too hard, But if
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  Speaker 2: you had to pick one your favorite all time.
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  Speaker 4: Fiction, I'm going to say, too, it's either Dune and
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  Speaker 4: I know it's been made into a series with Timothy
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  Speaker 4: Chip to my fae Geala May, who yet is like
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  Speaker 4: the hottest property like in Hollywood at the moment. Amazing
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  Speaker 4: guy because he's doing the Dylan movie at the moment
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  Speaker 4: as well, and he sings really well. And the others.
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  Speaker 4: The Foundation series by Isaac Asimov, because Foundation is kind
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  Speaker 4: of based loosely on the for of the Roman Empire,
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  Speaker 4: and again that's been made by Apple, So both of
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  Speaker 4: these are now being adapted screen adaptations, which are both
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  Speaker 4: very very high quality screen adaptations. And by coincidence, and
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  Speaker 4: then anything by Arthur C. Clark, because Arthur C. Clark
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  Speaker 4: literally invented the future. He invented the communication satellite. Asimov
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  Speaker 4: came up with the term robotics like everything in science
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  Speaker 4: now and science fiction visionaries. It's kind of funny that
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  Speaker 4: you brought it up because the UK Department of Defense
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  Speaker 4: has got all these sci fi writers together and ask
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  Speaker 4: them to come up with dystopian future sci fi scenarios
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  Speaker 4: to help them plan to plan security for the future.
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  Speaker 4: This is an actual real thing, So, you know, the
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  Speaker 4: golden Yews of science fiction, which I also love to read,
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  Speaker 4: you know, if you get a chance to read some HG.
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  Speaker 4: Wells and some of the really early sci fi writers.
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  Speaker 4: These are people who wrote sci fi in sometimes even
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  Speaker 4: pre dating the nineteenth century, so we're talking at the
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  Speaker 4: late eighteen hundreds, wrote sci fi about going into space,
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  Speaker 4: like sci fi in the early nineteen hundreds, where you
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  Speaker 4: know HG. Wells, you know, and all those sorts of
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  Speaker 4: visionary writers before it was even called science fiction. We're
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  Speaker 4: talking flying, we're talking about anti gravity, so science, you know,
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  Speaker 4: the renaissance of science and the idea that we would
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  Speaker 4: enhance our learning by understanding more about human body, more
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  Speaker 4: about you know, the world around us, the planet's technology.
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  Speaker 4: That was what spurned the writers to start visioning what
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  Speaker 4: the future might be like, and then in envisag envisaging
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  Speaker 4: the future, they helped create it. As like I said,
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  Speaker 4: you know, Arthur C. Clarke was at a conference talking
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  Speaker 4: about communications satellites, which he literally invented in sci fi,
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  Speaker 4: and a guy approached him and gave him this vision
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  Speaker 4: of the Internet. Said, oh yeah, so satellites would all
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  Speaker 4: be up there, communications satellites, and then we would link
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  Speaker 4: them together. And he tells this story. There's an article
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  Speaker 4: I read many years ago. He talks about how it
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  Speaker 4: kind of blew his mind that this guy effectively was
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  Speaker 4: pre dating the Internet with this concept of how communication
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  Speaker 4: satellites would allow us all to have access to a
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  Speaker 4: reservoir of data and information, and it was just kind
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  Speaker 4: of blows my mind. So that was a really long
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  Speaker 4: winded answer to do I read sci fi?
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  Speaker 2: Was it? That's your specialty?
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  Speaker 1: Long winded? But we love your long windedness.
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  Speaker 2: But I'll tell you what all of us, especially me
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  Speaker 2: and Tiff, are hoping comes to fruition and you is
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  Speaker 2: the fucking hoverboard from Back to the Future that's still
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  Speaker 2: not here.
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  Speaker 4: Paks Sorry sorry, jetpacks. I got to say jetbacks trump
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  Speaker 4: hoverboard's tiff jetpack or hole board.
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  Speaker 3: The jet packs those things in water.
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  Speaker 4: Well they do have a water variation on it, but
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  Speaker 4: jet packs of the pack, your strap on your back
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  Speaker 4: and you fly a to b that's got.
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  Speaker 3: To be that would be pretty cool.
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  Speaker 2: It is, well, I think that's inherently dangerous. We don't
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  Speaker 2: want fucking seven year olds in Hampton putting that shit on.
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  Speaker 2: I'm just heading over to pugging Doncaster to see Bobby.
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  Speaker 3: How many SEC's is your motorcycle? Harps? What's that got
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  Speaker 3: to do with anything inherently dangerous?
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  Speaker 1: That's fly Hey, Patrick, l.
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  Speaker 4: This conversation because I'm going on because Tiff rays a
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  Speaker 4: very very valid point. Right, two D three D. You're
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  Speaker 4: on the ground on a bike. More things to hit
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  Speaker 4: when you're in the sky, right, You've got depth and
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  Speaker 4: height and breadth. There's so many less, so less things
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  Speaker 4: to hit. Clouds like clouds, they're fluffy. Right. Cars are
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  Speaker 4: heavy and solid, So if you're a bike that is
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  Speaker 4: going to be heaps more dangerous than a jetpack.
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  Speaker 5: Then again, I'm hitting the ground when the technology fails.
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  Speaker 1: Is that okay?
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  Speaker 2: Maybe it's falling out of the sky like a fucking
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  Speaker 2: dead budgy. Can I just mention? I don't want to
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  Speaker 2: rain on your physics parade, but riding a motorbike is
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  Speaker 2: three D not two D.
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  Speaker 4: Well, I know, but I was simplifying it. I was
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  Speaker 4: just putting it down to its component parts I think.
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  Speaker 2: Or as we would call it, making a mistake. That's okay, though,
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  Speaker 2: because it's all fucking three D.
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  Speaker 3: You.
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  Speaker 4: A friend of mine is to call motorbike riders temporary Aussies.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, a million people call them that.
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  Speaker 1: That's old. I've been called that a thousand times. Hey.
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  Speaker 2: Speaking of prolific science writers, here's a trivia question. I'm
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  Speaker 2: sure you will know the answer to. Who's the most
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  Speaker 2: Who's the guy who invented a religion? Yeah, most prolific
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  Speaker 2: science writer of science fiction writer of all time including religion.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah?
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  Speaker 4: You know. He was at a conference with Isaac Asimov
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  Speaker 4: and said, you know what, this is a true quote.
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  Speaker 4: He said, the only way to really make money is
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  Speaker 4: to make up a religion.
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  Speaker 1: Start a religion.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, so for our listeners who don't know so scientology,
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  Speaker 2: you know, Tom Cruise and the like, or or and
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  Speaker 2: quite a lot of Hollywood people and famous people. I
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  Speaker 2: think quite a few people have jumped ship now. But
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  Speaker 2: still it's relatively influential.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: The guy who started that religion was the world's biggest
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  Speaker 2: I think he still is. Can you google that tip?
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  Speaker 2: Can you say l Ron Hubbard? Is he the world's
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  Speaker 2: most prolific scientific science writer? Patrick's doing like? Patrick's like, No,
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  Speaker 2: I'm going to do it.
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  Speaker 1: Patrick. This does not make for good listening. When you
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  Speaker 1: stop the conversation.
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  Speaker 4: You're still talking. You haven't shut up.
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  Speaker 2: Well, that's because both you got on your fucking computers.
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  Speaker 4: Isaac Asimov actually is considered one of the most prolific
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  Speaker 4: science fiction writers, publishing five hundred books.
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  Speaker 2: All right, who's the most who's the most? Tiff Anyway, this.
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  Speaker 4: Is the most prolific meme the most you said, one
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  Speaker 4: of the most considered one of the most, Well, what
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  Speaker 4: the hell? Like, I don't know if he's one of
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  Speaker 4: the most Maybe I don't know. Stephen King, Stephen King
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  Speaker 4: has written a lot. He's prolific, and he's kind of
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  Speaker 4: it's kind of sci fi is It's kind of mo
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  Speaker 4: horror though, isn't it.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm not Stephen King. I'm not sure. Do we
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  Speaker 1: talk about we talk about tech please?
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  Speaker 4: We are kind of well kind of okay, Hey, did
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  Speaker 4: you look. You didn't want to talk about the Trump thing,
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  Speaker 4: did you? And all the tech bros up there? Fist
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  Speaker 4: pumping and all that sort of stuff like that toxic
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  Speaker 4: if you like. Oh well, because that kind of tied
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  Speaker 4: into the TikTok ban and what even though that's based
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  Speaker 4: in it, so you know the background to the TikTok band, right,
• 17:08
  Speaker 4: So there's an announcement that TikTok is going to be
• 17:10
  Speaker 4: banned because it's owned by China and it's going to
• 17:12
  Speaker 4: be banned in the US, and then they switch it
• 17:13
  Speaker 4: off and then like ten minutes later, Trump gets it
• 17:16
  Speaker 4: and says no, no, no, no, we'll put it back on
• 17:18
  Speaker 4: for a limited time. So ninety dos. But what a
• 17:22
  Speaker 4: lot of people didn't realize is it actually affected some
• 17:24
  Speaker 4: people in Australia who are on TikTok because they had
• 17:26
  Speaker 4: US based accounts. So you know, people who had accounts
• 17:29
  Speaker 4: that were originally set up in the US were suddenly
• 17:33
  Speaker 4: disappearing as well. And so look, there's been a you know,
• 17:36
  Speaker 4: pulled back on it. But that's kind of interesting, and
• 17:40
  Speaker 4: you know, did you the fact that all these tech
• 17:43
  Speaker 4: bros have kind of got together with Trump and the
• 17:45
  Speaker 4: inauguration was a bit scary to see. And someone told
• 17:49
  Speaker 4: me the other day, one of my colleagues, and I'm
• 17:51
  Speaker 4: hoping this is true, because I'm going to tell everybody that,
• 17:53
  Speaker 4: for the first time ever in the history of Facebook,
• 17:56
  Speaker 4: if you had a Facebook account in the US, you
• 17:58
  Speaker 4: will automatically free by Donald Trump.
• 18:03
  Speaker 1: Wow.
• 18:03
  Speaker 4: So the accounts were automatically friended by Donald Trump. And
• 18:07
  Speaker 4: I think the only time that's ever happened previously was
• 18:09
  Speaker 4: MySpace because when you initially signed up to MySpace, you
• 18:12
  Speaker 4: were a friend of Bob the Blake who set up
• 18:14
  Speaker 4: my Space. But you could opt out, and you can
• 18:17
  Speaker 4: still opt out of a Trump thing. But is that
• 18:19
  Speaker 4: a bit scary when you're automatically friended by Donald Trump?
• 18:21
  Speaker 4: That's a big payback, isn't it?
• 18:23
  Speaker 1: Is it?
• 18:24
  Speaker 2: Yeah?
• 18:24
  Speaker 1: I don't know.
• 18:25
  Speaker 2: Does it make any difference though, I mean, we're so
• 18:27
  Speaker 2: there's so much surveillance. They've got so much information on
• 18:31
  Speaker 2: all of us.
• 18:32
  Speaker 1: I don't know.
• 18:33
  Speaker 2: At what point do you go, oh, well, I mean
• 18:35
  Speaker 2: not that I you know, not that I want somebody
• 18:39
  Speaker 2: having the ins and outs of my life. But it
• 18:42
  Speaker 2: just feels almost like we're past the point of no return.
• 18:45
  Speaker 2: You know, there's that technology now where they can somebody
• 18:49
  Speaker 2: can just get a picture of your face, upload it,
• 18:52
  Speaker 2: and that will give whoever uploaded it basically your address,
• 18:56
  Speaker 2: your phone number, and certain information about you just from
• 19:00
  Speaker 2: uploading an image of your face.
• 19:02
  Speaker 4: Yeah, you can do reverse image searches. But you know,
• 19:05
  Speaker 4: it's a good point. You brought that up because there's
• 19:07
  Speaker 4: been a bit of controversy at the Australian Open tennis
• 19:10
  Speaker 4: because they're using facial recognition at the Open this year
• 19:13
  Speaker 4: for the very first time. And what the controversy surrounds is, Okay,
• 19:18
  Speaker 4: they're tracking all the patrons, but they're saying it's part
• 19:21
  Speaker 4: of the terms and conditions of buying a ticket, and
• 19:24
  Speaker 4: people civil liberties people are saying, well, you know what,
• 19:28
  Speaker 4: no one reads terms and conditions, so when you go
• 19:31
  Speaker 4: to buy a ticket for a sporting event, you don't
• 19:34
  Speaker 4: really you know, you're kind of accepting the fact of
• 19:37
  Speaker 4: all the terms and conditions, but the fact that now
• 19:40
  Speaker 4: the Australian Open is tracking everybody. The question is what
• 19:44
  Speaker 4: happens to that data? You know, is it being stored securely,
• 19:47
  Speaker 4: how long is it being stored for? Is it just
• 19:50
  Speaker 4: going to be stored for the duration of the event,
• 19:53
  Speaker 4: or is it going to you know, what does that
• 19:55
  Speaker 4: mean about them having a database that potentially could be
• 19:58
  Speaker 4: hacked when they're matching people's face you know, this is
• 20:01
  Speaker 4: the problem with that facial recognition, that recognition stuff. Bunning's
• 20:05
  Speaker 4: got into a lot of trouble because they did the
• 20:08
  Speaker 4: very same thing and using they were tracking people. They
• 20:11
  Speaker 4: say it was to try to track offenders who potentially
• 20:15
  Speaker 4: might be people who would steal or people who could
• 20:18
  Speaker 4: were violent, and they were tracking all of their customers
• 20:21
  Speaker 4: as they went in out of the stores. But they
• 20:22
  Speaker 4: got into a lot of hot water over that, and
• 20:25
  Speaker 4: there's been a lot of this controversy over in the
• 20:27
  Speaker 4: Australian Open with fans being tracked wherever they go. I mean,
• 20:30
  Speaker 4: what does that mean about privacy? Do you want to
• 20:33
  Speaker 4: be tracked everywhere you go? Aps?
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: I don't know. I think we are.
• 20:38
  Speaker 2: You know, it's like when I get in my new car,
• 20:40
  Speaker 2: the one that I hardly drive, it just asks me
• 20:44
  Speaker 2: all these questions. It's like, do you want to do this?
• 20:47
  Speaker 2: It's like it's a computer. That's like, it's a comfortable
• 20:51
  Speaker 2: computer with an engine. That's what it's It's kind of ridiculous.
• 20:55
  Speaker 2: But yeah, I don't know. I think we're past the
• 20:57
  Speaker 2: point of no return, Like, what's the what's the oldternative
• 21:00
  Speaker 2: living off the grid with no computer and no phone.
• 21:04
  Speaker 4: No, no, there is no alternative because you can't do that.
• 21:08
  Speaker 4: When you walk down the street, if you walk through
• 21:10
  Speaker 4: a crowded city, your face is going to be trapped
• 21:12
  Speaker 4: by this software. If you want to go to see
• 21:14
  Speaker 4: a sporting event, if you want to go to the
• 21:16
  Speaker 4: Australian Open tennis, you have no choice. If you purchase
• 21:19
  Speaker 4: a ticket, you are giving them permission to use your vision,
• 21:23
  Speaker 4: to use your face, and to track what you're doing
• 21:26
  Speaker 4: and record that information. Wherever you walk, whatever you look at,
• 21:29
  Speaker 4: whatever you do, whatever match you see, how you interact
• 21:32
  Speaker 4: with people is effectively being monitored.
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 21:36
  Speaker 2: Yeah, what's the upside of that? Is there an upside? Well,
• 21:41
  Speaker 2: they're an upside for us. Maybe it's a good way
• 21:44
  Speaker 2: to find crooks and criminals and baddies as my mum
• 21:47
  Speaker 2: would call them.
• 21:48
  Speaker 4: Well, look, yes, potentially, like it's look, the reality of
• 21:53
  Speaker 4: it is they're saying that it means that they can
• 21:56
  Speaker 4: quickly if something happens, if there are known people who've
• 21:59
  Speaker 4: been so ciated I guess with violence or with you know,
• 22:03
  Speaker 4: because they do sometimes have people who do stupid things
• 22:06
  Speaker 4: on court, and we're not on the actually on court
• 22:08
  Speaker 4: as well, people in the crowd doing doing things. I
• 22:11
  Speaker 4: can remember one year someone jumped onto the court and
• 22:14
  Speaker 4: it was like it was a civil disobedience thing that
• 22:17
  Speaker 4: they were kind of trying to. I think they raised
• 22:19
  Speaker 4: a banner and they feel unfilled the banner and and
• 22:23
  Speaker 4: jumped onto the court. But it wasn't you know who
• 22:25
  Speaker 4: was it was it Martina and the rattleover who was
• 22:28
  Speaker 4: the tennis player who got stabbed?
• 22:31
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I was thinking of her, now I wasn't was
• 22:38
  Speaker 2: a young girl Martina Hingis okay, yep.
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's right, I remember that. Yeah. I
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: mean how do we get there?
• 22:52
  Speaker 4: Monitoring and and and the idea is that if someone
• 22:55
  Speaker 4: has as a known violent defender and their monitor potentially
• 22:58
  Speaker 4: they could be flagged as someone to be watched. You
• 23:01
  Speaker 4: know how I don't.
• 23:02
  Speaker 2: I know the gators closed on this, But how bad
• 23:05
  Speaker 2: is the security when someone can get out of the stands,
• 23:09
  Speaker 2: cross a tennis court at a major event and stab
• 23:13
  Speaker 2: one of the best players in the world in front
• 23:15
  Speaker 2: of thousands of people. Like you'd want to review security
• 23:19
  Speaker 2: after that, wouldn't you. Well, the thing is, how do
• 23:22
  Speaker 2: you track people? They do have, I mean no, but
• 23:25
  Speaker 2: you've got to have security on court so that if
• 23:27
  Speaker 2: someone runs out, Well, they do, but they've got well
• 23:30
  Speaker 2: yes and no.
• 23:31
  Speaker 4: There are security at the entrances to all the courts
• 23:35
  Speaker 4: and they have them. You know, they have the officials,
• 23:38
  Speaker 4: but they don't have like big burly bloke standing on
• 23:41
  Speaker 4: the court ready to run on. I mean I think
• 23:43
  Speaker 4: they should.
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: They should have.
• 23:45
  Speaker 2: They should have because that can happen if that's a
• 23:47
  Speaker 2: potential occurrence. Would like, if I can jump over a
• 23:51
  Speaker 2: fence with a knife and run out, why wouldn't you
• 23:55
  Speaker 2: have Anyway, we're digressing, but.
• 23:57
  Speaker 4: You could use that argument sitting at a cafe in
• 24:00
  Speaker 4: Hampton Street. If we're sitting there at a cafe, someone
• 24:02
  Speaker 4: could just rush up to you. Of course I could
• 24:05
  Speaker 4: take my button knife and spread my jam over you.
• 24:11
  Speaker 2: You're very argumentative today. It doesn't matter what I suggest,
• 24:14
  Speaker 2: you don't agree with anything. Like what is what is
• 24:17
  Speaker 2: wrong with you today? It's like you're never like it.
• 24:21
  Speaker 2: That's a good idea, Craig, Like, it's so fucking controversial.
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: What's wrong with you?
• 24:26
  Speaker 4: Have you?
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: Are you? Did you not sleep? Are you hungry? Are
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: you in a bad mood?
• 24:31
  Speaker 4: The fuck?
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: Stop being so Stop being so objectionable to everything.
• 24:39
  Speaker 4: Stop saying dumb stuff and then I'll agree with you.
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: Oh, I rest my case.
• 24:44
  Speaker 2: What staying that we should protect our elite athletes at
• 24:47
  Speaker 2: the Australian Open is a dumb thing after somebody got stabbed?
• 24:52
  Speaker 4: Really happened often Unfortunately, the reality of it is, do
• 24:56
  Speaker 4: we want to live in a police state where everything
• 24:59
  Speaker 4: we is monitored? Because of the fact that.
• 25:02
  Speaker 2: What has that got to do with a person? A
• 25:05
  Speaker 2: police state? Talk about go to the fucking extreme. I'm saying,
• 25:08
  Speaker 2: let's just protect our athletes from being stabbed, and you
• 25:11
  Speaker 2: bring it up to, oh, do we want to live
• 25:13
  Speaker 2: in a police state? No we don't, but let's not
• 25:16
  Speaker 2: let people get stabbed, shall we?
• 25:18
  Speaker 4: How many people get stabbed at the Australian Open? None?
• 25:21
  Speaker 4: One No, that wasn't at the Australian Open.
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: Yes it was. It wasn't wherever it was, whatever, whatever
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: event it was.
• 25:29
  Speaker 4: But what I'm saying is the majority of people do
• 25:32
  Speaker 4: the right thing, and there's always going to be a
• 25:34
  Speaker 4: wild card factor where someone is going to do something
• 25:38
  Speaker 4: bad to somebody, whatever, wherever it happens to be, and unfortunately,
• 25:42
  Speaker 4: you know, how do you combat that. I don't know
• 25:44
  Speaker 4: that there is a way to do that. But the
• 25:46
  Speaker 4: good thing is most people do the right thing at
• 25:48
  Speaker 4: the right at the right time. So I think that's
• 25:51
  Speaker 4: you know.
• 25:52
  Speaker 2: You could say that, you could say that, for like,
• 25:54
  Speaker 2: most people are not going to steal your money, but
• 25:56
  Speaker 2: we still prepare for that. Most people are not going
• 25:58
  Speaker 2: to hack your computer, but we still prepare for that.
• 26:01
  Speaker 4: Well, that's why when people go to big events like
• 26:03
  Speaker 4: the Australian Open, they have their bags checked when they
• 26:06
  Speaker 4: go in. They make sure that they you know, that
• 26:09
  Speaker 4: people go through They have metal detectors and stuff like that,
• 26:12
  Speaker 4: so you know, whether it's a concert or a sporting event,
• 26:15
  Speaker 4: they do have preventive measures and they do try to
• 26:17
  Speaker 4: flag if they think that there might be someone who
• 26:19
  Speaker 4: might be problematic, and there is security entrances and security
• 26:23
  Speaker 4: on the gates of most of the venues. But you know,
• 26:26
  Speaker 4: I kind of don't know whether you're suggesting that there'd
• 26:29
  Speaker 4: be you know, ten burly blokes standing there at the
• 26:31
  Speaker 4: end of the court ready to run in. I think
• 26:33
  Speaker 4: that just seems excessive.
• 26:34
  Speaker 2: Well, I think burley blokes or burley women for that matter,
• 26:38
  Speaker 2: and I don't.
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: I just mean very cap just.
• 26:41
  Speaker 2: Put exactly, and by that I mean very capable female ninjas.
• 26:47
  Speaker 4: We know as quickly.
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: I want to ask you.
• 26:49
  Speaker 2: Patrick, so regarding TikTok, what so is it back on?
• 26:55
  Speaker 2: So we're recording this on the twenty fourth Friday. Is
• 26:58
  Speaker 2: it back on in the States or what?
• 27:00
  Speaker 4: For a very short time? Yeah? Yeah, it's back on.
• 27:02
  Speaker 4: As soon as Trump gone in it went back on again.
• 27:04
  Speaker 4: But it was only a very short time, I believe.
• 27:06
  Speaker 2: Did you notice also that he came out and he went,
• 27:09
  Speaker 2: by the way, we're going to do petrol cars. We're
• 27:12
  Speaker 2: gonna yeah, by the way. He didn't say fuck electric cars,
• 27:16
  Speaker 2: but he almost did, now you know it.
• 27:18
  Speaker 4: Interestingly, in Norway they're now almost all electric. They're going
• 27:22
  Speaker 4: to be a country in the world to go all electric,
• 27:25
  Speaker 4: which is kind of interesting and technically, I think in
• 27:28
  Speaker 4: TikTok it was twelve hours after shutting it down, it
• 27:31
  Speaker 4: went back on again, so it was only twelve hours.
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: Hey, tell me about mirror, mirror on the wall. I'm
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: looking at your list. I'm interested in that.
• 27:39
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I've been looking into tech. That was so ces.
• 27:43
  Speaker 4: The Consumer Electronics Show was in Las Vegas, not that
• 27:46
  Speaker 4: long ago. It comes up around January every year and
• 27:49
  Speaker 4: it's just this massive, massive event where all the new
• 27:52
  Speaker 4: consumer products get showcased. And what's becoming more and more
• 27:56
  Speaker 4: interesting is the kind of a holistic way of monoching
• 28:00
  Speaker 4: our health. So when you use a health tracker, say
• 28:02
  Speaker 4: it's a smart watch pulling all that information together. Smart scales.
• 28:07
  Speaker 4: I got some smart scales for Christmas. So when I
• 28:09
  Speaker 4: step on my scales, it measures my BMI, my body fat,
• 28:13
  Speaker 4: all that sort of stuff, and it tracks my weight
• 28:16
  Speaker 4: over the week. And I get onto the scale, I
• 28:18
  Speaker 4: cry a little bit or I smile a little bit,
• 28:21
  Speaker 4: depending on what day it is.
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: But how often do you cry?
• 28:27
  Speaker 2: Oh?
• 28:27
  Speaker 4: Not often? No, But you know, if your wait goes up,
• 28:29
  Speaker 4: you feel a bit bad, don't you, And then if
• 28:31
  Speaker 4: it goes down, you feel a bit woo. I kind
• 28:33
  Speaker 4: of need a Homer Simpson. You know the whoo, it's
• 28:36
  Speaker 4: good and it's like dog let it's down.
• 28:39
  Speaker 2: But how much can I If you're a dude, so
• 28:43
  Speaker 2: I can ask this, how much do you weigh? Oh?
• 28:46
  Speaker 4: It varies between about sixty eight kilos and maybe sixty
• 28:52
  Speaker 4: nine kilos?
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: What what?
• 28:56
  Speaker 5: What?
• 28:56
  Speaker 2: Okay?
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: So if you get on your sixty nine a, it's sad.
• 29:01
  Speaker 1: The fuck is wrong with you?
• 29:05
  Speaker 4: But how much to you?
• 29:07
  Speaker 2: Oh? Wait, eighty five? Ishy, it depends eighty four to
• 29:12
  Speaker 2: eighty six.
• 29:13
  Speaker 4: Yeah, but you're a bigger burlier blake than me, as
• 29:15
  Speaker 4: we kind of pointed out earlier.
• 29:17
  Speaker 2: Ye dysfunctional, useless, bigger burly bloke allegedly.
• 29:22
  Speaker 3: How much to paint it on arms? Way?
• 29:27
  Speaker 2: Last night one of the blokes in the gym said
• 29:30
  Speaker 2: to me, he said, do they have a lost and
• 29:33
  Speaker 2: found here? And I go yep, And he goes, well,
• 29:37
  Speaker 2: I might go up and see if I can find
• 29:38
  Speaker 2: your shoulders. I'm like, that was pretty hurtful. It was
• 29:47
  Speaker 2: fucking funny, though, I'm like, that is great, that is great.
• 29:52
  Speaker 2: It fucking it hurt me mortally because I don't have
• 29:57
  Speaker 2: I have quite big delts like the muscles, but my
• 30:00
  Speaker 2: actual clavicular with is not so I don't have really
• 30:05
  Speaker 2: naturally wide swimmer sholders.
• 30:07
  Speaker 1: But it was really hurtful. But it was so fucking
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: funny that I just had to laugh.
• 30:13
  Speaker 4: So the other day and I can't tell it. Can
• 30:16
  Speaker 4: I tell the joke? And then TIF cut it out
• 30:18
  Speaker 4: if we think it's inappropriate? And I can't even say that.
• 30:20
  Speaker 4: Now it's still out of No, you can't. You can't it,
• 30:23
  Speaker 4: is it? See?
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: Is it insulting to any group of people?
• 30:30
  Speaker 4: Yes? Actually, yeah, let's not talk about it. I'll tell you.
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: Then you definitely can't.
• 30:34
  Speaker 2: And everybody's like, please, no, no, hold them the start
• 30:39
  Speaker 2: of it and they can look it up themselves. By
• 30:41
  Speaker 2: the way, you didn't finish telling us about mirror mirror.
• 30:44
  Speaker 2: What the fuck does this mirror do?
• 30:47
  Speaker 4: So now you can get smart mirrors. So what they
• 30:50
  Speaker 4: do is they bring together the technology like smart scales,
• 30:55
  Speaker 4: smart watches and integrate them so that when you are
• 30:58
  Speaker 4: looking in the mirror, you can you can to your
• 31:00
  Speaker 4: heart rate, blood pressure, and so this smart tech, and
• 31:05
  Speaker 4: this was a conceptual thing, this smart technology, because you
• 31:07
  Speaker 4: can get smart mirrors. Now, Oh, hi Fritz, sorry that
• 31:10
  Speaker 4: mis Fritz just saying hello, you can get smart tech
• 31:13
  Speaker 4: now that includes smart mirrors so that they look like
• 31:16
  Speaker 4: a normal mirror, and then you can bring up a
• 31:19
  Speaker 4: screen that overlays as I said, heart rate, blood pressure,
• 31:22
  Speaker 4: that sort of stuff. So the idea being is that
• 31:26
  Speaker 4: when you incorporate the idea of AI to monitor all
• 31:29
  Speaker 4: these what seemingly are unrelated, you know, monitoring devices like
• 31:35
  Speaker 4: your scales or your smart watch, it then puts it
• 31:39
  Speaker 4: all together and you're able to be given that that
• 31:42
  Speaker 4: kind of overall holistic health monitoring. So if you're if
• 31:46
  Speaker 4: you're you know, if your weights being tracking too high,
• 31:49
  Speaker 4: if it picks up your heart rate going up at
• 31:52
  Speaker 4: a time when it shouldn't be going up, those are
• 31:54
  Speaker 4: the types of things that these smart mirrors will pull
• 31:57
  Speaker 4: it all together. And it's something that you get on
• 31:59
  Speaker 4: your scales in the morning, you stand in front of
• 32:01
  Speaker 4: the mirror and you can see an overview of what
• 32:03
  Speaker 4: your health situation.
• 32:04
  Speaker 2: Is other than make you cry. Your scales. What the
• 32:08
  Speaker 2: ones the smart scales one? What do they tell you?
• 32:12
  Speaker 2: What's the data that you get, where did you get them?
• 32:15
  Speaker 2: And how much did they cost give or take.
• 32:18
  Speaker 4: Man I think the scale, I don't think the scale
• 32:20
  Speaker 4: was very expensive I'm trying to think it might have
• 32:22
  Speaker 4: been maybe ninety bucks, ninety one hundred bucks.
• 32:25
  Speaker 2: Do you have to stand on in bare feet to
• 32:27
  Speaker 2: get the body? Does it give body composition?
• 32:30
  Speaker 4: Well, what it does is sometimes it tells me to
• 32:33
  Speaker 4: get back on the scales. So it's called UFI Life.
• 32:37
  Speaker 4: I'm just bringing up the app on my phone now
• 32:39
  Speaker 4: because I'm going to I'm looking at the analytics. But
• 32:41
  Speaker 4: it gives you b and my body fat. You've got
• 32:44
  Speaker 4: a goal and a weight. Gosh, the graph goes up
• 32:46
  Speaker 4: and down a lot. I'm just going to show you that.
• 32:48
  Speaker 4: I don't think you can see it. Yeah, yeah, it
• 32:51
  Speaker 4: shows you know, yeah, the overall amount. It talks about calories,
• 32:56
  Speaker 4: so I guess the idea is just overall tracking. I mean,
• 33:01
  Speaker 4: I don't know me engage it's mate. I just saw it.
• 33:03
  Speaker 4: It was on sale. I thought I need that.
• 33:06
  Speaker 2: Can I ask what it tells you your body fat
• 33:08
  Speaker 2: percentage is?
• 33:09
  Speaker 4: Since it's twenty two point eight, is that bad?
• 33:13
  Speaker 2: No?
• 33:13
  Speaker 1: That's all right? Is that's all right? Yeah?
• 33:17
  Speaker 2: It's I would say you're not I would say you're
• 33:20
  Speaker 2: not twenty two point eight.
• 33:21
  Speaker 1: I would say that's not accurate.
• 33:23
  Speaker 2: I would guess your body fat percentage, and I've measured
• 33:28
  Speaker 2: probably over ten thousand people's body fat. I would think
• 33:31
  Speaker 2: you are between sixteen and nineteen. Okay, so I think
• 33:38
  Speaker 2: that's high. But also you've got to remember everyone who's
• 33:40
  Speaker 2: listening to this, who goes, I'm going to go get
• 33:42
  Speaker 2: some scales that tell me, you know, like without trying
• 33:46
  Speaker 2: to get exercise science, dude, But like your wait matters,
• 33:50
  Speaker 2: but it matters to a point, like really what is
• 33:54
  Speaker 2: most important as body composition. So let's say Patrick and
• 33:56
  Speaker 2: I are similar height. I'm a little bit taller, but
• 33:58
  Speaker 2: not a lot, but he's now twenty kilos lighter than me.
• 34:03
  Speaker 2: But we could have a similar body fat percentage despite
• 34:07
  Speaker 2: the fact that I'm twenty kilos heavier.
• 34:09
  Speaker 1: And that's not bad.
• 34:10
  Speaker 2: That's just a bit more muscle and maybe different bone
• 34:14
  Speaker 2: density or whatever. But being lighter is in general terms,
• 34:19
  Speaker 2: depending very general terms, it's probably better, but it's not
• 34:24
  Speaker 2: necessarily better. So and also, those those ninety dollars scales
• 34:31
  Speaker 2: from a like they use a thing called bioelectrical impedance,
• 34:34
  Speaker 2: which is when you're standing on it, it's at the
• 34:40
  Speaker 2: very best, it's kind of a guess. But the good
• 34:43
  Speaker 2: thing about those is that using the same essentially the
• 34:47
  Speaker 2: same tool and the same protocol, So in that sense
• 34:50
  Speaker 2: you're going to get some consistency.
• 34:52
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I was just I'm glad that you brought that up,
• 34:54
  Speaker 4: because what it does is it has two sensors for
• 34:57
  Speaker 4: each foot, so you've got these little round discs and
• 35:01
  Speaker 4: sometimes it asks you to get back on the scale
• 35:03
  Speaker 4: make sure your feet are dry. But I'm assuming that
• 35:05
  Speaker 4: it's electrical conductivity through your body from and that's it
• 35:09
  Speaker 4: finds out what your body fat in next.
• 35:11
  Speaker 2: Is exactly, and how hot hydrated you are or aren'ts
• 35:15
  Speaker 2: can affect that because it basically measures how quickly those
• 35:18
  Speaker 2: electrical impulses move through your body. When I was fat,
• 35:23
  Speaker 2: I used to get on the scales and I'd say
• 35:25
  Speaker 2: one at a time.
• 35:26
  Speaker 1: Please.
• 35:30
  Speaker 2: That's an oldie, but a good isn't it. Which that
• 35:33
  Speaker 2: used to hurt my feelings as well. Hey, tell us
• 35:40
  Speaker 2: about Instagram debuts video editing, Like, I'm an instagrammer, is this?
• 35:47
  Speaker 1: Can I use this?
• 35:48
  Speaker 4: Well? This is because of the TikTok thing, because Instagram
• 35:51
  Speaker 4: hasn't traditionally had those sorts of tools that are built
• 35:54
  Speaker 4: into TikTok. But with all this noise going on particularly
• 35:58
  Speaker 4: in the US, it's such a massive market and if suddenly,
• 36:01
  Speaker 4: you know TikTokers can't tick their tok, then wow, well.
• 36:05
  Speaker 2: That sounds sexual, but okay, well it just.
• 36:09
  Speaker 4: Means if they're giving them similar tools, people are going
• 36:11
  Speaker 4: to jump platforms because don't.
• 36:13
  Speaker 1: Come in, I'm ticking my talk, get out, shut the door.
• 36:19
  Speaker 4: So it makes sense that they're going to try to
• 36:23
  Speaker 4: you know, Instagram is trying to put in video editing
• 36:25
  Speaker 4: tools to match what TikTok already offers, because everyone's going
• 36:28
  Speaker 4: to try to get the tens of millions of people
• 36:31
  Speaker 4: who are using it, and if you can offer platform,
• 36:34
  Speaker 4: it's going to give them the same way to do it,
• 36:35
  Speaker 4: if you can download all your data, because the thing
• 36:37
  Speaker 4: is that the band is still going to go ahead,
• 36:39
  Speaker 4: but now they's giving people more time. So they had
• 36:42
  Speaker 4: twelve hours without it, and it means you can download
• 36:45
  Speaker 4: all your videos and of course people are going to
• 36:47
  Speaker 4: want to upload them to another platform, and it makes
• 36:49
  Speaker 4: perfect sense that if you can do it on Insta
• 36:51
  Speaker 4: and they give you all the tools to do it,
• 36:53
  Speaker 4: then it's a smart move by Instagram. When you think
• 36:55
  Speaker 4: about it, Are you on Instagram? No, I'm not on
• 36:58
  Speaker 4: any social media. I mean, look, the business that I
• 37:02
  Speaker 4: run does do social media management, so I have to
• 37:05
  Speaker 4: have accounts to be able to manage my client accounts
• 37:07
  Speaker 4: and business accounts. But I've got a one of my colleagues, Robert,
• 37:11
  Speaker 4: does all of that stuff. I'm bloody hopeless. I kind
• 37:13
  Speaker 4: of stopped using social media maybe about seven years ago.
• 37:17
  Speaker 4: I just look. I used to and there's still occasionally
• 37:21
  Speaker 4: old post. You know, when I was doing my podcast regularly,
• 37:24
  Speaker 4: I'd be posting the artwork from the podcast and little
• 37:26
  Speaker 4: snippets and all that sort of thing. But to be honest,
• 37:29
  Speaker 4: I found one of the challenges. See Instagram. I like
• 37:32
  Speaker 4: to use a lot because I take lots and lots
• 37:34
  Speaker 4: and lots of photos. T If I send your photos
• 37:36
  Speaker 4: and stuff, you know, you know, I really enjoyed. I've
• 37:38
  Speaker 4: got a good friend in Germany and we send photos
• 37:42
  Speaker 4: of plants, you know, like scenery and stuff like that,
• 37:44
  Speaker 4: and it's really nice. But I found myself uploading photos
• 37:49
  Speaker 4: and then deciding whether or not the photos were good
• 37:52
  Speaker 4: enough based on the reaction other people had. And now
• 37:55
  Speaker 4: I don't give a shit. I don't care what other
• 37:57
  Speaker 4: people think of my photos. If I get in I
• 38:00
  Speaker 4: ooymn out of taking a photo of a sunrise, a landscape,
• 38:04
  Speaker 4: a beautiful scene, and that's all that matters to me.
• 38:07
  Speaker 4: And I just found that I was becoming too reliant
• 38:10
  Speaker 4: dependent on likes and ticks and you know, thumbs ups
• 38:13
  Speaker 4: and all that sort of thing, and I think that
• 38:15
  Speaker 4: it can really dictate your state of mind, and it's
• 38:20
  Speaker 4: and I pulled out of it seven years ago. I
• 38:22
  Speaker 4: just thought, I don't really care. I don't want to
• 38:24
  Speaker 4: know what people are doing. I don't want to get
• 38:25
  Speaker 4: stuck down the rabbit hole. And it's very easy to
• 38:28
  Speaker 4: do that when you're flicking through and scrolling, you the
• 38:30
  Speaker 4: whole thumb scroll and you just read the next one
• 38:33
  Speaker 4: and the next one and the next one, and you know,
• 38:35
  Speaker 4: you think, I've just spent forty minutes looking at stupid
• 38:38
  Speaker 4: video clips of things that really, you know, don't really
• 38:41
  Speaker 4: mean anything to the great grand scheme of things. Tiff
• 38:44
  Speaker 4: just sent me something. Now I'm going to jump off.
• 38:45
  Speaker 3: He said it asn't pay attention.
• 38:48
  Speaker 5: And the minute I sent him a photo, he looks
• 38:50
  Speaker 5: at it as soon as I did it.
• 38:52
  Speaker 4: It's Luna, it's TIFF's dog, and she's sent it on WhatsApp.
• 38:56
  Speaker 4: I use WhatsApp because that's why I can connect directly
• 38:58
  Speaker 4: with my friends. But Tiff sends me some gorgeous photos
• 39:02
  Speaker 4: of Luna. You know.
• 39:03
  Speaker 2: That's how I just say, don't let the listeners and
• 39:05
  Speaker 2: I get in the way. You two, like, do you
• 39:07
  Speaker 2: want do you want us to give you the room?
• 39:09
  Speaker 2: Do you want us to do you want me to
• 39:10
  Speaker 2: pull the shades and fuck off?
• 39:12
  Speaker 4: Because Luna is a cute dog. Come on, Crago, you've
• 39:15
  Speaker 4: met Luna. She is beautiful.
• 39:17
  Speaker 2: Well that's not in doubt. It's just that that nobody
• 39:20
  Speaker 2: can see that picture except you.
• 39:22
  Speaker 4: Two, but they can take my word that it's she.
• 39:25
  Speaker 2: Is beautiful, like you Patrick, you're beautiful. Tell us about
• 39:29
  Speaker 2: three D printed guns.
• 39:32
  Speaker 4: This has become a bit of a worry because there's
• 39:34
  Speaker 4: you know, it's like any tool that's out there, good
• 39:37
  Speaker 4: and bad. So NASA, for example, are now using three
• 39:40
  Speaker 4: D printing technology to make really really efficient, cheaply produced
• 39:46
  Speaker 4: like transmitting to what do they call them, like trans transmitters.
• 39:50
  Speaker 4: The I don't have a little connector things that like, ye, totay,
• 39:55
  Speaker 4: I don't ask us to Yeah, I'm trying to describe
• 39:59
  Speaker 4: something that was kind of s there in the back
• 40:00
  Speaker 4: of my head. But anyway, NASA is using three D
• 40:03
  Speaker 4: printing to make little radar dishes. Will say, I'll look
• 40:08
  Speaker 4: into that in a minute. It'll come back to me.
• 40:10
  Speaker 4: But the contrast being that there has been a big
• 40:15
  Speaker 4: upsurge and what they're calling ghost guns. Okay, so this
• 40:18
  Speaker 4: is here in Australia we're talking about, so not overseas.
• 40:21
  Speaker 4: The problem is that we heard about the idea of
• 40:25
  Speaker 4: three D printing guns a few years ago, but the
• 40:28
  Speaker 4: technology wasn't quite there yet because the filaments or the
• 40:32
  Speaker 4: elements that are used to make these three D objects
• 40:34
  Speaker 4: so effectively. A three D printer is a printer that layers.
• 40:37
  Speaker 4: So when you think of a printer that you use
• 40:39
  Speaker 4: to print pictures, you've got a flat surface. You could
• 40:42
  Speaker 4: almost say it was two D, a flat surface that
• 40:45
  Speaker 4: that prints a picture.
• 40:46
  Speaker 1: But if you unlike a motorbike.
• 40:48
  Speaker 4: As you start layering that, if you imagine that the
• 40:51
  Speaker 4: ink then goes into layers and layers and higher and
• 40:54
  Speaker 4: it becomes three D. It has debt like a motorbike.
• 41:00
  Speaker 2: Barklp deep, it has depth. Unlike Patrick, stop it just kidding,
• 41:08
  Speaker 2: just kidding, We love you, but you did say my
• 41:10
  Speaker 2: arms were painted on.
• 41:11
  Speaker 4: Yeah, true, because you remember a few years ago there
• 41:14
  Speaker 4: was that healthcare executive that got assassinated in New York.
• 41:19
  Speaker 4: It's believed that the guy who is.
• 41:22
  Speaker 1: That was like a month ago.
• 41:24
  Speaker 4: Wasn't that long ago? Yeah? Well, it was a three
• 41:26
  Speaker 4: D printed gun with a three D printed silencer attached
• 41:29
  Speaker 4: to it. And so the concern is straighted now, I
• 41:31
  Speaker 4: guess everywhere is that there are no there's no codes,
• 41:36
  Speaker 4: there's no markings on the guns. They can be printed
• 41:39
  Speaker 4: on a domestic printer, and that's a big concern, and
• 41:43
  Speaker 4: so they're calling them ghost guns. There's no way to
• 41:46
  Speaker 4: track them. You know. One of the big things that
• 41:48
  Speaker 4: happened one of the you know, it's terrible when you
• 41:51
  Speaker 4: get these massacres, and we saw that in Tasmania. What
• 41:54
  Speaker 4: was it twenty years ago? Twenty five years ago?
• 41:56
  Speaker 1: Way more? Yeah, like thirty Port Arthur was like the eighties,
• 41:59
  Speaker 1: I think.
• 42:00
  Speaker 4: But the thing, no, I think it was later in
• 42:01
  Speaker 4: that he might have been the early nineties. But you're right,
• 42:03
  Speaker 4: actually probably laid eighties, early nineties. But the thing is
• 42:06
  Speaker 4: that John Howard is revered almost in the United States
• 42:09
  Speaker 4: as the Australian Prime minister who got rid of guns,
• 42:12
  Speaker 4: you know, to remember those really vivid scenes of guns
• 42:15
  Speaker 4: being you know, squashed up and destroyed. And he is
• 42:19
  Speaker 4: used as not a test case per se, but put
• 42:23
  Speaker 4: up on a pedestal as somebody he probably needed to
• 42:25
  Speaker 4: because he was pretty short, but put up on a
• 42:27
  Speaker 4: pedestal as somebody who did something pretty amazing by getting
• 42:30
  Speaker 4: rid of all those firearms. And now there's a real
• 42:33
  Speaker 4: concern with law enforcement, with police around the country that
• 42:36
  Speaker 4: it's now becoming so easy to three D print these
• 42:39
  Speaker 4: weapons and they look like mirth guns, they look like
• 42:43
  Speaker 4: you know, two but they're actually really functioning guns. So
• 42:46
  Speaker 4: that's a real problem at the moment.
• 42:48
  Speaker 2: That well, I mean, crooks and criminals are creative, mate'll
• 42:52
  Speaker 2: they'll do whatever they can to you know, because getting
• 42:55
  Speaker 2: a gun in Australia, I mean you can't really, it's
• 42:58
  Speaker 2: very all you can and it's very difficult. But a
• 43:00
  Speaker 2: nine ninety six by the way, so you were more right,
• 43:03
  Speaker 2: you were more correct than I was.
• 43:08
  Speaker 1: What are they?
• 43:09
  Speaker 2: They are they made of a because some of the
• 43:12
  Speaker 2: ones I've seen a while ago though they were made
• 43:14
  Speaker 2: of a like a like a polomar, like a plastic
• 43:17
  Speaker 2: or something. These ones three D printed that or are
• 43:21
  Speaker 2: they metal or are they some other material.
• 43:25
  Speaker 4: They're just a tough and plastic. They use a filament,
• 43:27
  Speaker 4: so it works. These different methods for three D printing.
• 43:29
  Speaker 4: Some of them use a fluid and they pass a
• 43:32
  Speaker 4: laser or a light through it that then hardens and
• 43:35
  Speaker 4: forms the three D objects. So if you imagine a
• 43:37
  Speaker 4: cylinder full of fluid, you pass the light through it,
• 43:40
  Speaker 4: but the light is directed to in layers effectively to
• 43:44
  Speaker 4: build up the object, and then when you take it
• 43:45
  Speaker 4: out of the fluid, the only the part that's been
• 43:48
  Speaker 4: touched by the light or the laser is what solidifies.
• 43:51
  Speaker 4: But generally, I think most people when they think of
• 43:53
  Speaker 4: three D printing, they just think of a filament. So
• 43:55
  Speaker 4: you know, you've got a a spool of a plastic.
• 43:59
  Speaker 4: But they've been been able to now make these filaments
• 44:02
  Speaker 4: a lot more, a lot harder, and which means if
• 44:05
  Speaker 4: you were manufacturing a fake gum generally now that the
• 44:09
  Speaker 4: plastics are toughened plastics, so they're just using and I
• 44:12
  Speaker 4: think ceramics are kind of being used as well, and
• 44:14
  Speaker 4: there are metal printers as well. But learn is that
• 44:18
  Speaker 4: the cheapest end of the line has now got to
• 44:21
  Speaker 4: a higher standard because there's two aspects to it is
• 44:24
  Speaker 4: resolution of the printer. So the early three D printers
• 44:27
  Speaker 4: were a bit chunky, a bit like playing Minecraft. Am
• 44:30
  Speaker 4: I going to ailienate? I say, Minecraft? There is any
• 44:32
  Speaker 4: movie coming out about Minecraft? Looks really fun? So Minecraft
• 44:35
  Speaker 4: is the game where it's all blocky, Yeah, pixelated space invaders,
• 44:39
  Speaker 4: lots of blocks that make up the picture rather than lots,
• 44:41
  Speaker 4: and so the more dots, the higher the resolution. Yeah. Anyway,
• 44:44
  Speaker 4: so the three D printing technology has got a higher resolution,
• 44:49
  Speaker 4: which means what you're producing is actually is going to
• 44:52
  Speaker 4: be better quality and more toughened.
• 44:55
  Speaker 1: Just quickly.
• 44:55
  Speaker 2: Last one, which is not on your list, but it's
• 44:57
  Speaker 2: on my list. I wanted to ask you. So maybe
• 45:00
  Speaker 2: three or four months ago, you very cleverly introed the
• 45:04
  Speaker 2: show and then interviewed fake me with pre prepared responses
• 45:08
  Speaker 2: where you had I don't know what the correct term is,
• 45:11
  Speaker 2: but you'd stolen.
• 45:12
  Speaker 1: My voice and what do you call it? When you
• 45:14
  Speaker 1: do that?
• 45:15
  Speaker 2: You'd basically you'd sampled my voice and then you'd I
• 45:20
  Speaker 2: used AI and a.
• 45:21
  Speaker 4: Voice generator to yep.
• 45:25
  Speaker 2: Yeah, So basically you can type something in and use
• 45:28
  Speaker 2: this use my voice and get me to in inverted
• 45:31
  Speaker 2: commas say anything right. Well, as I was listening to
• 45:34
  Speaker 2: this book, this thirteen hour book I was telling you
• 45:37
  Speaker 2: about at the top of the show, I was thinking,
• 45:40
  Speaker 2: like the days of voice actors and that are going
• 45:43
  Speaker 2: to be maybe a thing of the past eventually. Like
• 45:46
  Speaker 2: with these scripts, you could just get this, you know,
• 45:51
  Speaker 2: AI generated voice in inverted commas to read entire books flawlessly.
• 45:57
  Speaker 4: Well, actually, it's a very interesting point you bring up,
• 45:59
  Speaker 4: because Audible is already doing that with their paid actors.
• 46:03
  Speaker 4: They're giving them licensing fees to use their voices so
• 46:06
  Speaker 4: they can churn out books a lot more quickly as
• 46:08
  Speaker 4: you can imagine having a real person read an audio
• 46:11
  Speaker 4: book and get it produced. You've got to be in
• 46:13
  Speaker 4: front of the microphone, and as a human being, a
• 46:16
  Speaker 4: twenty hour book or an eleven hour book is a
• 46:18
  Speaker 4: lot to read so in one sitting, and you'd have
• 46:21
  Speaker 4: to get it produced, whereas if you're using AI. So
• 46:24
  Speaker 4: Audible announced last year for the first time they were
• 46:27
  Speaker 4: going to be using some of their voice actors sampled
• 46:30
  Speaker 4: voices to read audiobooks so they can churn them out quicker.
• 46:34
  Speaker 4: But they're going to be paying licensing fees and another
• 46:37
  Speaker 4: interesting story that I was going to chat about, and
• 46:38
  Speaker 4: this is a nice little segue the movie The Brutalist
• 46:41
  Speaker 4: that is coming out at the moment. In fact, I
• 46:44
  Speaker 4: was going to go to seed it at the weekend.
• 46:46
  Speaker 4: That's a movie. It's a true story about a brutalism.
• 46:50
  Speaker 4: Is that this is an architectural design style and it's
• 46:54
  Speaker 4: about a guy fleeing Europe who was a Jewish guy
• 46:57
  Speaker 4: who came to the United States became a very famous architect.
• 47:01
  Speaker 4: And what they did was because I think it's I'm
• 47:05
  Speaker 4: going to say Hungarian, but the accent is really specific,
• 47:09
  Speaker 4: this Jewish Hungarian accent. And because the actors, you know,
• 47:13
  Speaker 4: weren't able to quite get it, they've used AI technology
• 47:17
  Speaker 4: to sample their voices and make their accent sound more authentic.
• 47:22
  Speaker 4: Now to replace the voice, they've just used this AI
• 47:26
  Speaker 4: tech to tweak the voice a little bit to make
• 47:29
  Speaker 4: the actors sound more authentic to the region there. And
• 47:33
  Speaker 4: I think it's Hungarian, but wherever it is. So if
• 47:36
  Speaker 4: you would acting and doing an American voice, and Australians
• 47:39
  Speaker 4: are really good at doing an American voice, but if
• 47:41
  Speaker 4: you weren't quite right, if you wanted a Savannah voice
• 47:44
  Speaker 4: and not a New York voice. Then they would be
• 47:47
  Speaker 4: able to tweak that so that you would have the
• 47:50
  Speaker 4: right accent.
• 47:51
  Speaker 1: Did you know they've been doing that one?
• 47:53
  Speaker 2: That's fucking fascinating and makes total sense, But I can't remember.
• 47:59
  Speaker 2: I'm if this is not right, it's close to right.
• 48:02
  Speaker 2: So there's a thing called audio tuning.
• 48:06
  Speaker 4: If this is not right, it's close to right, it's.
• 48:08
  Speaker 1: Either yeah, but I could say.
• 48:14
  Speaker 2: Stop it, okay, So I think the term is audio
• 48:18
  Speaker 2: tuning where singers who were not quite in tune they
• 48:23
  Speaker 2: use tech to basically make them sing in tune, which
• 48:25
  Speaker 2: is why some artists when you hear them live, are
• 48:29
  Speaker 2: fucking terrible. Oh yes, because their voice has been manipulated
• 48:33
  Speaker 2: in production and the record's awesome, but live they sound
• 48:37
  Speaker 2: like dogshit.
• 48:39
  Speaker 4: Remember Millie Vanilli was, Well, they didn't they didn't even sing.
• 48:42
  Speaker 4: They mind, they.
• 48:45
  Speaker 2: Didn't even sing. They were just a fucking they were
• 48:47
  Speaker 2: just musical frauds. Hey, we're going to go tell people
• 48:51
  Speaker 2: how they can find you and get some of those
• 48:54
  Speaker 2: ninety dollars scales.
• 48:56
  Speaker 4: I don't even please don't quote me on the price
• 48:58
  Speaker 4: the youthy scales. And I can't exactly remember what they
• 49:01
  Speaker 4: are websites now is the name of well, it's not
• 49:05
  Speaker 4: the name of my business. Actually, did I tell you
• 49:07
  Speaker 4: that I set up a new company structure. Now I've
• 49:10
  Speaker 4: now called my business Bigger on the inside media, trading
• 49:13
  Speaker 4: as Genesis Effects. Not that anyone cares about that, but yeah.
• 49:17
  Speaker 1: I'm not sure why you shared that, but okay.
• 49:19
  Speaker 4: Well because it's kind of cool. You know how long
• 49:22
  Speaker 4: it took me to be two days to.
• 49:24
  Speaker 1: Try to Why didn't you just call it the tatis.
• 49:27
  Speaker 4: No, because it has a doctor who reference for people
• 49:29
  Speaker 4: who get it, but people who don't get it. Bigger
• 49:31
  Speaker 4: on the inside media, it means we're small, but we
• 49:33
  Speaker 4: do lots of big things. So I thought that there's
• 49:36
  Speaker 4: representative of what we do because we do we do
• 49:38
  Speaker 4: lots of stuff and no more. Just go to websites
• 49:42
  Speaker 4: now dot com.
• 49:43
  Speaker 1: You could have just done that.
• 49:44
  Speaker 2: You could have just said that, because when you've got
• 49:46
  Speaker 2: to explain all that shit, it really loses the value, doesn't.
• 49:49
  Speaker 4: It's if you reckon. He's been mean to me today.
• 49:53
  Speaker 3: I'm staying out of it. You too, I'm staying out
• 49:55
  Speaker 3: of this.
• 49:56
  Speaker 1: There's nothing but love. I love you. I love you
• 50:00
  Speaker 1: twelve percent more. We'll say goodbye fair but don't worry everyone.
• 50:04
  Speaker 1: We actually do love each other.
• 50:06
  Speaker 2: It's just it's almost like it's almost like brothers punching
• 50:09
  Speaker 2: each other on the arm.
• 50:10
  Speaker 1: No, fuck you, it's a bit of that.
• 50:13
  Speaker 4: So you go there