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FairT: MLB Surprise Teams, Pete Rose HOF debate, Orioles crumbling · Foul Territory

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  Speaker 1: Welcome everyone to the Thursday edition of Fair Territory, the
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  Speaker 1: live edition, myself and Alana Rizzo. Alana, it's been sort
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  Speaker 1: of a monumental week in the sport with the Pete
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  Speaker 1: Rose news. We've also reached the one fourth mark of
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  Speaker 1: the season. I feel like I haven't stopped writing all week,
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  Speaker 1: So let's get into it.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, Ken, great to be with you as always as
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  Speaker 2: we get into the lead. Scott Miller yesterday on Foul
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  Speaker 2: Territory said that this decision about Pete Rose affects the
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  Speaker 2: integrity of the game. What is your take on that
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  Speaker 2: and how does this affect the Hall of Fame Ken Alana.
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  Speaker 1: Rob Manford, in his statement announcing the reinstatements of the
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  Speaker 1: players who were deceased, said, a person no longer with
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  Speaker 1: us cannot represent a threat to the integrity of the game.
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  Speaker 1: That literally is true. Those people are no longer here,
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  Speaker 1: Pete Rose, Shuless, Joe Jackson and all of the others.
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  Speaker 1: But while well it's not a direct threat, certainly there's
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  Speaker 1: chips away at the integrity of the game, and we
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  Speaker 1: can cite other things that have done that as well,
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  Speaker 1: all of the associations with gambling companies not just by
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  Speaker 1: Major League Baseball, but by media companies like all of
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  Speaker 1: the ones that I work for. This has chipped away too,
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  Speaker 1: and it's offered a different perspective on gambling that existed
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  Speaker 1: all those years ago when Pete Rose was managing and playing.
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  Speaker 1: So while I don't know that you can say there's
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  Speaker 1: a direct threat if a current player gambles on baseball
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  Speaker 1: and is found to have gambled on baseball, he's going
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  Speaker 1: to be banned. But what we've opened up here, what
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  Speaker 1: Manfred has opened up here, is a path to forgiveness
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  Speaker 1: for breaking baseball's most sacred rule. And that is the
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  Speaker 1: concern that you've kind of just lowered the standards that
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  Speaker 1: you had in place for so many years. And as
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  Speaker 1: for the Hall of Fame, that's a very interesting question.
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  Speaker 1: As everyone is reported, that's not going to be an
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  Speaker 1: issue until December twenty twenty seven. That's the first time
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  Speaker 1: Pete Rose, Trulis, Joe, and the others can appear on
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  Speaker 1: a Classic Baseball Era Committee ballot. And even to get
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  Speaker 1: on that ballot, they have to be nominated through another
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  Speaker 1: bouting process, which I believe that they will be eight
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  Speaker 1: members or eight people players are on that ballot, that
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  Speaker 1: Classic Baseball era committee ballot. You need twelve of sixteen votes.
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  Speaker 1: And if you saw the story in The Athletic yesterday
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  Speaker 1: quoting a dozen Hall of Famers about Rose, you saw
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  Speaker 1: the mixed feelings that exist among them and those veterans.
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  Speaker 1: Committees are comprised of current Hall of Famers, executives, media members.
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  Speaker 1: It's a sixteen person panel, and he will need twelve votes.
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  Speaker 1: Will he get twelve votes? I'm not sure. Time generally
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  Speaker 1: helps the cases of players who have done things that
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  Speaker 1: were untoured. We've seen that with the steroid era. The
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  Speaker 1: younger writers who were really not part of that, who
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  Speaker 1: are not covering the game at that time, have generally
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  Speaker 1: been more for given forgiving then the older writers like
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  Speaker 1: myself who witnessed it. With Rose, it's a little bit different.
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  Speaker 1: He of course played and managed a long time ago,
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  Speaker 1: and now he has passed. But I wonder if in
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  Speaker 1: time there will be some softening on him, and if
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  Speaker 1: some of the people who have been opposed to him
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  Speaker 1: will take a little bit of a different view. I
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  Speaker 1: don't know that that's the case. People seem pretty set
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  Speaker 1: in their ways on Rose one way or the other.
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  Speaker 1: But we're not even gonna have to be talking about
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  Speaker 1: this for two more years.
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  Speaker 2: Well, let's be clear, Ken, this has nothing to do
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  Speaker 2: with the writers. He was banned because of the league,
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  Speaker 2: not because the writers haven't let him in. Oftentimes, though,
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  Speaker 2: when you talk about the steroid era and those guys
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  Speaker 2: with the asterisk or question mark as to whether or
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  Speaker 2: not they should get in, some folks think that there
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  Speaker 2: should be a place in the Hall, perhaps that has
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  Speaker 2: an asterisk next to those guys. But based on what
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  Speaker 2: they did on the field a la Pete Rose in
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  Speaker 2: his playing career, only he should be in there. Based
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  Speaker 2: on that, is there a case to that?
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  Speaker 1: No question on playing accomplishments alone. Pete Rose would be in,
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  Speaker 1: Barry Bonds would be in, Roger Clemens would be in.
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  Speaker 1: None of us would doubt that. But I want to
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  Speaker 1: amplify the one point you just made there alone, and
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  Speaker 1: I'm glad you made it. The Baseball Writers never had
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  Speaker 1: a chance to vote on Pete Rose one way or
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  Speaker 1: the other when he was on the permanently ineligible list.
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  Speaker 1: The Hall made a decision shortly after that that those
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  Speaker 1: players would not be eligible for the Hall of Fame.
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  Speaker 1: So the ten year period which was previously fifteen years
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  Speaker 1: that we would have had to vote on him. It's
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  Speaker 1: now expired. So that is why he goes to a
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  Speaker 1: veterans committee. Now, all of these things that we talk
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  Speaker 1: about regarding Rose, the steroid era, Everyone's going to have
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  Speaker 1: their own opinions on it. But as Jason Stark wrote
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  Speaker 1: in The Athletic, you could make the case that this
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  Speaker 1: opens the door that for the players who serve steroid suspensions.
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  Speaker 1: And I'm thinking specifically of Alex Rodriguez here. What Manford
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  Speaker 1: is saying, according to Jason, is that he Rose served
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  Speaker 1: his time effectively. He's of course passed, but he served
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  Speaker 1: his time, he served his penalty. Alex Rodriguez certainly did that.
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  Speaker 1: He's eligible to be elected to the Hall for that reason.
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  Speaker 1: But if you're a voter and you haven't voted for
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  Speaker 1: Rodriguez and Manny Ramirez, who falls into the same category,
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  Speaker 1: broke the rules after they were in place, as opposed
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  Speaker 1: to the players who were living in what a Rod
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  Speaker 1: wants called the wild wild West era. If you have
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  Speaker 1: that view of Rose that he can get in, now,
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  Speaker 1: well why not look at a Rod and Bonds. I'm
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  Speaker 1: not a Rod and Manny the same way. It's different
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  Speaker 1: There are different nuances involved, but people are going to
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  Speaker 1: maybe have different opinions because of this ruling.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I ked certainly not a black and white issue.
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  Speaker 2: A lot of questions, probably more questions and answer surrounding
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  Speaker 2: this decision. Of course, get those questions in for Ken
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  Speaker 2: and Grill and Ken. That segment is coming up momentarily.
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  Speaker 2: Not only is it, you know, the thing that our
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  Speaker 2: sport is talking about as far as Pete Rose is concerned.
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  Speaker 2: But back to baseball. Can it is now the quarter
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  Speaker 2: pool of the season. As we sit here on May fifteenth,
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  Speaker 2: we've played about a month and a half, which seems
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  Speaker 2: crazy to me. It seems like yesterday was opening Day. However,
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  Speaker 2: there are some surprises that you've noticed through this first
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  Speaker 2: forty forty five games.
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  Speaker 1: What are they? Well, we're going to take you through
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  Speaker 1: five teams that I have maybe performed either better or
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  Speaker 1: worse than expected. Now, I will give this caveat as
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  Speaker 1: I always do. It's not a complete list. If the
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  Speaker 1: team is missing, it's not because I hate them, But
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  Speaker 1: let's go through it because it's an interesting list and
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  Speaker 1: it kind of shows you how for all we talk
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  Speaker 1: about in the offseason, all we expect things to happen.
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  Speaker 1: They don't always turn out at least in the early
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  Speaker 1: part of the season the way they think. Now, the
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  Speaker 1: first of these teams, well, they would be the team
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  Speaker 1: that is the hottest team in baseball right now, the
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  Speaker 1: best team in baseball right now by their record. That
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  Speaker 1: would be the Detroit Tigers. Now you remember the Tigers
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  Speaker 1: from last season, Alana, they stuck into the playoffs, they
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  Speaker 1: had the pitching chaos thing going. But as you've mentioned
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  Speaker 1: to me, they are the most complete team in the
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  Speaker 1: game right now. And look at those standings, just the
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  Speaker 1: overall standings where they stand, better record than the Dodgers,
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  Speaker 1: better record than the Padres, the Mets, the Yankees, the Guardians,
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  Speaker 1: the Phillies. They are the best team in baseball through
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  Speaker 1: one fourth of the season.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, happy birthday by the way to a J. Hinch.
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  Speaker 2: He's got those guys believe in Ken. I tell you what, though,
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  Speaker 2: other other surprises in terms of the Padres, what do
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  Speaker 2: you think about them?
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  Speaker 1: The Padres are a surprise to me, and not that
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  Speaker 1: I didn't think they would be good. They were great
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  Speaker 1: last year and they took the Dodgers to five games
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  Speaker 1: in the division Series, had a lead in that series.
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  Speaker 1: Probably should have won that series and didn't. But the
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  Speaker 1: reason in my mind there were surprise and maybe in
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  Speaker 1: some fans' minds, is because of their off season it
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  Speaker 1: was pretty much inactive. Now they ultimately signed a bunch
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  Speaker 1: of players and here they are. Those are the offseason pickups. Paveda,
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  Speaker 1: Kyle Hart, Gavin Sheets, one of the great surprises of
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  Speaker 1: the season, Jose Galacias, Jason hot Hayward Connor, Joe who's
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  Speaker 1: already gone, Elis Diaz, and Martin Maldonado. Here's a stat
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  Speaker 1: that will stun you. None of those players this season
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  Speaker 1: are making more than four million dollars. That's where the
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  Speaker 1: Padres were in a payroll sense. They were restricted. Now
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  Speaker 1: Paveta has more money coming in his four year deal.
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  Speaker 1: He has opt outs after years two and three, but
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  Speaker 1: this year his total earnings will be four million. So
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  Speaker 1: it's rather amazing that the Padres have gotten contributions out
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  Speaker 1: of so many of those players, even though in free
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  Speaker 1: agency they clearly were limited. And it's a testament to
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  Speaker 1: what they had in place. It's a testament to the manager,
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  Speaker 1: Mike Schilt. They are one of the bigger impressive teams
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  Speaker 1: in baseball right now.
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  Speaker 2: And it's fun to see. I love the competition in
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  Speaker 2: the NL West. A lot of folks talking about what
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  Speaker 2: the AL West was going to be. Can the AL East.
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  Speaker 2: The NL West is hot, hot, hot in terms of
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  Speaker 2: those top four teams in there. Another team that's surprising most,
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  Speaker 2: I think in a positive way, is the Saint Louis Cardinals.
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  Speaker 1: Tell us more absolutely, and I've written this, I've said
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  Speaker 1: it on our air. I didn't like their offseason. They
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  Speaker 1: were caught in between. You either pick a lane here,
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  Speaker 1: you gotta go all in, not all in, but just try.
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  Speaker 1: And they didn't do that. They didn't add anybody of consequence,
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  Speaker 1: or you start transitioning, which is what they promised they
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  Speaker 1: would do at the end of the season. And at
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  Speaker 1: that point you figured, all right, they trade Arnado, which
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  Speaker 1: didn't happen because he vetoed one. They just couldn't get
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  Speaker 1: that done. But they would also trade Eric Fetti and
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  Speaker 1: Ryan Helsley, a starting pitcher and a reliever. Well, they
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  Speaker 1: didn't do that, and they entered the season kind of
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  Speaker 1: in this in between place. But look at them now.
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  Speaker 1: Look at them in the NL Central, just one game
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  Speaker 1: behind the Chicago Cubs. They just came off a nine
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  Speaker 1: game winning streak, ended yesterday in the doubleheader against the Phillies,
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  Speaker 1: but they end up winning that series against the Phillies
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  Speaker 1: after in the second game rallying from a five to
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  Speaker 1: one deficit to win fourteen to seven. They are among
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  Speaker 1: the league's better scoring teams. Their rotation has given them
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  Speaker 1: a lot of innings. They're top five and innings pitched
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  Speaker 1: in the rotation. So it's been a surprising Starter raises
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  Speaker 1: the question what will they do at the deadline, And
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  Speaker 1: we've got season to play out yet. We'll see how
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  Speaker 1: this all transpires over the next couple of months. But
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  Speaker 1: the Cardinals have definitely been a surprise. Brendan Donovan, Victor
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  Speaker 1: Scott the second. They've had some really good things happening,
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  Speaker 1: Arenato's resurgence. It's been interesting to watch and now it'll
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  Speaker 1: be interesting to see where this all goes.
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  Speaker 2: New York Sports Empire. In our chat, Ken says Minnesota
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  Speaker 2: and Saint Louis have been halapenos. That means that they
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  Speaker 2: are hot, hot, hot. All right, let's talk about the
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  Speaker 2: Mariner's offense. When we talk about the Mariners, Ken, we
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  Speaker 2: always talk about the starting rotation, but it's the offense
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  Speaker 2: that is surprising.
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  Speaker 1: Very surprising, and it's cal Raley, it's a resurgent Jorge Polanco,
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  Speaker 1: it's JP Crawford coming back and looking like himself, and
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  Speaker 1: a team that is increasing its scoring rate by more
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  Speaker 1: than a run per game from last season. You see,
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  Speaker 1: last year three point seven runs per game, they were
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  Speaker 1: twenty first in the majors. This year four point eight
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  Speaker 1: runs per game. They're eighth. Now, that's not the whole story.
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  Speaker 1: The starting pitching, which has been the backbone of this team,
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  Speaker 1: the foundation, there are some cracks there. Kirby has been
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  Speaker 1: on the il all season, Logan Gilbert the same for
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  Speaker 1: the most of the season, and now Bryce Miller joins them.
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  Speaker 1: So that is an issue that has surfaced with Luis
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  Speaker 1: Castillo not being maybe as good in the past or
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  Speaker 1: as good in the present as he has been in
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  Speaker 1: the past as well. I'm worried about that from their perspective.
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  Speaker 1: But offensively they have been a surprise. They've cooled off
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  Speaker 1: of late, they have not played quite as well. But
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  Speaker 1: this is a team that in a weekend Al West
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  Speaker 1: certainly could be a factor and will be a factor.
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  Speaker 2: One team ken that is certainly surprising, and I think
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  Speaker 2: you and I have discussed this before. Are the Baltimore Orioles.
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  Speaker 2: This is a team ken that may not even make
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  Speaker 2: the postseason. What sticks out to you the most one.
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  Speaker 1: Of the worst teams in baseball so far, Alana, there's
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  Speaker 1: no sugarcoating it. And what sticks out the most, and
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  Speaker 1: we've talked about this ad nauseam, is their rotation. And
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  Speaker 1: I want to show you where their rotation ranks because
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  Speaker 1: it's right near the bottom, twenty eighth in rotation era,
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  Speaker 1: ahead of only Miami and Colorado. That is the story
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  Speaker 1: of the season, but it's not the only story. Their
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  Speaker 1: offense as well has been a huge disappointment. Now. Part
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  Speaker 1: of it is they're falling behind four to nothing seemingly
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  Speaker 1: in every game. It's hard to catch up. It's hard
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  Speaker 1: to play that way. And they have a lot of
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  Speaker 1: young players we talk about them all the time, who
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  Speaker 1: have not experienced that much adversity. But their offense has
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  Speaker 1: been a failure as well. And I want to show
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  Speaker 1: you one other number here because this is interesting too.
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  Speaker 1: Runs per game. Look at them last year four point
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  Speaker 1: nine runs per game, fourth in the majors. This year,
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  Speaker 1: they're down more than a run per game. The Mariners
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  Speaker 1: are up more than a run per game. The Oriols
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  Speaker 1: are down more than run per game. They rank twenty fourth. Now,
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  Speaker 1: when you have questionable pitching, as we've seen they have
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  Speaker 1: questionable pitching, you've got to outscore your opponents. They're not
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  Speaker 1: doing that. Now. I gave you the reasons why they're
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  Speaker 1: not doing that. Those are some of them. But their
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  Speaker 1: performance as a whole has been pretty much inexcusable. And
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  Speaker 1: I don't know how they get out of this because
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  Speaker 1: they're not going to be able to pitch their way
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  Speaker 1: out of it. It seems. Even with Efflyn back, and
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  Speaker 1: then even if the offense a nights, you have the
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  Speaker 1: pitching problem. So it's been a really tough road for
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  Speaker 1: the Oriels so far. Biggest surprise perhaps in the game,
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  Speaker 1: and most disappointing team in the game as well.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, you took the words right out of my mouth.
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  Speaker 2: Certainly the most disappointing team. Really thought that they could
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  Speaker 2: pick up where they left off last season ken and
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  Speaker 2: hopefully get back into that postseason. Although it is just
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  Speaker 2: the quarter pole, a lot can happen. As we sit
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  Speaker 2: here on May fifteenth, I guess to your point, my
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  Speaker 2: biggest surprise is we discussed your top five is really
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  Speaker 2: the Tigers and Shawn Michael and our chat says, stop
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  Speaker 2: saying that they're a surprise. They've had the best record
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  Speaker 2: in baseball since August first of last year. I think
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  Speaker 2: what my biggest surprises Ken is Hobby Bias and kind
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  Speaker 2: of the resurgence of Hobby Baias has ignited him again.
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  Speaker 2: And whatever Aj Hinch is selling, Hobby Bayas is buying
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  Speaker 2: the position change. He's doing some really special things. So
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  Speaker 2: it's good to see Hobby Baias back again. All right,
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  Speaker 2: love it here on Fair Territory. First question Ken comes
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  Speaker 2: from John Shank. Can the Cardinals make the playoffs with
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  Speaker 2: their current roster after winning the season series against Philadelphia?
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  Speaker 1: Well, it's interesting the Philadelphia point because it showed that
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  Speaker 1: they can do this against better teams, and their winning
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  Speaker 1: streak was basically assembled against some lesser clubs, but the
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  Speaker 1: winning the series in Philadelphia two of three very impressive.
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  Speaker 1: Now with their current roster short, they can make the
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  Speaker 1: playoffs and if Nolan Gorman and Jordan Walker ever get going,
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  Speaker 1: they have really something special perhaps in place. But I
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  Speaker 1: do worry about their bullpen a little bit. I worry
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  Speaker 1: about their rotation holding up. I don't know, as presently constituted,
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  Speaker 1: if there are anything more than a third or second
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  Speaker 1: wild card. But here's the thing. If in John Mozayloc's
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  Speaker 1: last season as president of Baseball Operations, they're in contention
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  Speaker 1: in July, I would expect them to add. And if
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  Speaker 1: they add, and they supplement themselves in some fashion, maybe
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  Speaker 1: they are a better team than we ever imagine. They're
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  Speaker 1: already better than we thought, but could they go to
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  Speaker 1: that next level that remains to be seen.
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  Speaker 2: Next question here for you, Ken on Grill and Ken
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  Speaker 2: comes from Scott Braun going back to the O's as
• 16:45
  Speaker 2: we circle back to Baltimore. Shall we hit the panic
• 16:47
  Speaker 2: button on the Orioles yet? And if so, could they
• 16:50
  Speaker 2: be big deadline sellers?
• 16:53
  Speaker 1: I guess Scott couldn't wait for FT to ask me
• 16:55
  Speaker 1: that question, but the panic button, it's too soon, and
• 17:00
  Speaker 1: still have to wait and see if they can get going. Now.
• 17:03
  Speaker 1: The first thing I'm worried about with them is the
• 17:05
  Speaker 1: status of their manager, because at some point. We've seen
• 17:08
  Speaker 1: the Pirates do this, We've seen the Rockies do this.
• 17:10
  Speaker 1: Even though it's not the manager's fault, A team can
• 17:13
  Speaker 1: choose to make a change in the hopes of igniting
• 17:16
  Speaker 1: itself somehow. Really hasn't happened with either one of the
• 17:18
  Speaker 1: cases I just mentioned, but that is always the logic
• 17:22
  Speaker 1: when a manager gets dismissed. And if you're Mike Elias,
• 17:24
  Speaker 1: you're the general manager of the Ools, you're thinking, Okay,
• 17:27
  Speaker 1: we've got to try to salvage this. Should this be
• 17:30
  Speaker 1: the way to go. They don't have a guy on
• 17:32
  Speaker 1: staff to necessarily replace plant Brendon Hyde, they don't have
• 17:35
  Speaker 1: a particularly experienced coaching staff. I don't know that it's
• 17:38
  Speaker 1: the right move for them. In fact, I would suggest
• 17:40
  Speaker 1: it is not. But they do need to get going
• 17:43
  Speaker 1: quite obviously. Yes, if they do not get going, Scott absolutely,
• 17:48
  Speaker 1: they are a big deadline seller, and they've got some
• 17:50
  Speaker 1: very attractive pieces Zach Eflin, Cedric Mowens, Junior, Sir Anthony Domingez, others.
• 17:57
  Speaker 1: They could do some things, but they need to try
• 18:00
  Speaker 1: to salvage their season first.
• 18:02
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's going to be difficult to fix the ship
• 18:05
  Speaker 2: there in Baltimore Scott also saying, Oh's tanked hard and
• 18:08
  Speaker 2: lost a generation of fans. Was it worth it? We
• 18:10
  Speaker 2: shall see. Next question here on Gorilla and Ken comes
• 18:13
  Speaker 2: from Wesley and then circling back to shoeless Joe Jackson,
• 18:17
  Speaker 2: with Joe taking the money, Ken knowing about the conspiracy,
• 18:20
  Speaker 2: not playing hard until after game five of the nineteen series,
• 18:23
  Speaker 2: and more issues. Why do people still take his side?
• 18:26
  Speaker 2: Is the movie to blame? Is this just the movie?
• 18:30
  Speaker 1: I don't know the answer to that. He did hit
• 18:32
  Speaker 1: three seventy five in the series, and that's why some
• 18:35
  Speaker 1: people say, well, how badly could he have been throwing
• 18:38
  Speaker 1: games if he was hitting three seventy five in the series.
• 18:41
  Speaker 1: I don't have great knowledge of shoeish Joe Jackson. Yes,
• 18:44
  Speaker 1: it was even a little bit before my time.
• 18:47
  Speaker 2: You didn't cover him.
• 18:47
  Speaker 1: Weird. But at the same time, he too is now
• 18:52
  Speaker 1: eligible and there will be a debate, a renewed debate
• 18:54
  Speaker 1: about exactly what his role was in the nineteen nineteen
• 18:58
  Speaker 1: Black Sox scandal. Yeah.
• 19:01
  Speaker 2: Interesting to see what's going to happen with all of this.
• 19:03
  Speaker 2: As I said before, I think many more questions than
• 19:06
  Speaker 2: answers here. All Right, we're going to be right.
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  Speaker 2: Dude, dude, dude, as you hear it. Time now for
• 20:21
  Speaker 2: Dude of the Week. This is our standout performers for
• 20:25
  Speaker 2: this week. Kenn who is.
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: Yours, Alana you mentioned him earlier. Almost stole my thunder,
• 20:30
  Speaker 1: But it's Hovey bias, and we saw him do some
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: amazing things this week, walk off Homer and all that.
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: And what's interesting to me about him is, here's a
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: guy who signed a six year, one hundred and forty
• 20:41
  Speaker 1: million dollar contract and performed poorly, got hurt, and it's
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: the kind of situation where he could have sort of
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: packed it in, right, He could have just said, I'll
• 20:51
  Speaker 1: do my best, but whatever, it's not going that well. No,
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: he didn't do that. He accepted a diminished role, he
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: accepted a position change. He also improved his plate discipline.
• 21:03
  Speaker 1: It's been the buggaboo throughout his career and he has
• 21:05
  Speaker 1: been a selfless member of the best team in baseball
• 21:08
  Speaker 1: and an example for everyone on that team and for
• 21:12
  Speaker 1: have bias to kind of swallow his pride and do
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: all these things and tell aj Hinchen spring training, whatever
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: you need me to do, that's due to the week material.
• 21:21
  Speaker 1: So he is the Dude of the Week.
• 21:24
  Speaker 2: Very deserving he is walking more, he is striking out less,
• 21:27
  Speaker 2: He's still hitting the bombs. Elmago, Ken Rosenthal is back.
• 21:31
  Speaker 2: My Dude of the Week is Austin Barnes. And it's
• 21:35
  Speaker 2: hard to say that a Dude of the Week is
• 21:36
  Speaker 2: a guy that just got DFAED. But the reason I
• 21:38
  Speaker 2: pick Austin is because, of course I've known Austin for
• 21:41
  Speaker 2: a very long time. However, this has been a guy
• 21:44
  Speaker 2: that is the longest tenured guy with the Los Angeles
• 21:47
  Speaker 2: Dodgers not named Clayton Kershaw Kershaw by the way making
• 21:50
  Speaker 2: his eighteenth season start, or starting for the first time
• 21:55
  Speaker 2: this season in his eighteenth year for the Dodgers, but
• 21:58
  Speaker 2: Austin Barnes has been such an instrumental part of what
• 22:02
  Speaker 2: the Dodgers have been able to do over the course
• 22:04
  Speaker 2: of his eleven years there. The reason I say that
• 22:06
  Speaker 2: also is because while not a starting catcher can the
• 22:09
  Speaker 2: way that Austin has done everything that has been asked
• 22:12
  Speaker 2: of him and all of the behind the scenes things
• 22:14
  Speaker 2: that he's done for this organization two World Series championships
• 22:18
  Speaker 2: with him. Oftentimes he ended up getting the postseason time
• 22:22
  Speaker 2: behind the plate even if he wasn't the regular season catcher.
• 22:25
  Speaker 2: The timing on this is a little interesting, Ken, just
• 22:28
  Speaker 2: because I know that Kersh would have loved for Austin
• 22:31
  Speaker 2: to catch him. I guarantee you it'll be Will Smith
• 22:34
  Speaker 2: and not the Dalton rushing behind the plate. But it
• 22:37
  Speaker 2: would have been kind of nice to see Austin ketch
• 22:39
  Speaker 2: Kersh one last time. However, you get it. It's a business, right,
• 22:44
  Speaker 2: It's just hard to see a guy like that go.
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: He's one of the staples of what the Dodgers have
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: done for the last many years, and a very popular
• 22:55
  Speaker 1: guy in the clubhouse as well, a guy who's kind
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: of in the middle of the action all the time
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: as far as jabbing people and having fun teasing. So yeah,
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: Austin Barnes is at a great run.
• 23:04
  Speaker 2: Yeah, no doubt about it. We love him all right,
• 23:06
  Speaker 2: And I'm now for the opening the front end, if
• 23:09
  Speaker 2: you will, for dork of the week. Go ahead, Ken,
• 23:20
  Speaker 2: who's yours?
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: Hold on, I'm going to take the heat off of
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: you today. I know how frustrated you are with your
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: hometown team, the Colorado Rockies, but allow me to do this,
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: Dick Montfort Rockers Rockies owner, he is the dork of
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: the week and he's the dork of the week because
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: this team not only is seven and thirty six, but
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: they are operating without vision, and they've operated without vision
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: for quite some time. They've been criticized by me and
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: others for being too insular, and that criticism, I'm sorry,
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: is fair. This is a team that's behind in research
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: and development, behind in Latin America, they're behind in technology.
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: They don't trade anybody, they love their players, and look
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: at where they are. I'd like to see some kind
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: of plan here other than you know what, our young
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: guys are great. And I know Estrada got hurt, and
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: I know Tovar got hurt, and I know Bryant is
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: hurt as well, but my gosh, seventeen thirty six, it's
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: an embarrassment. And yet they just roll merrily along as
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: if we're good. No, you're not good. Dick Montfort Dark
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: of the Week.
• 24:20
  Speaker 2: One hundred percent couldn't have set it better myself. My
• 24:22
  Speaker 2: dork of the week is Rob Manfred and Major League
• 24:25
  Speaker 2: Baseball for the timing of this ineligibility clause for the
• 24:29
  Speaker 2: Hall of Fame. I understand that Pete Rose certainly can't
• 24:31
  Speaker 2: do anything from the grave, but I would have liked
• 24:33
  Speaker 2: if they were going to change this, and I know
• 24:35
  Speaker 2: that they've had some additional pressure as of late. But
• 24:37
  Speaker 2: if they were going to change this, at least do
• 24:39
  Speaker 2: it when he was alive, to give him a sense
• 24:41
  Speaker 2: of perhaps maybe he has an opportunity to get into
• 24:44
  Speaker 2: the Hall of Fame. What difference does it make now
• 24:46
  Speaker 2: that the man is, you know, six feet under. I
• 24:47
  Speaker 2: think it's ridiculous whether you put him in with an
• 24:50
  Speaker 2: asterisk or not to do it after he has passed.
• 24:53
  Speaker 2: I think is just is unbelievable. Well, I mean, there's
• 24:57
  Speaker 2: always gonna be a lot of questions surrounding this ken,
• 24:59
  Speaker 2: but Rob Manfred for the good that he's done in
• 25:02
  Speaker 2: the game. He's my dork of the week for this decision.
• 25:05
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• 25:56
  Speaker 2: to you for now. All right, Ken, let's talk about
• 26:07
  Speaker 2: what is coming up for you. I see that you're
• 26:09
  Speaker 2: at home right now, and I joke with you that
• 26:11
  Speaker 2: you're only home one day a month. Lisa probably has
• 26:13
  Speaker 2: to introduce you have to reintroduce yourself to her every
• 26:15
  Speaker 2: single time. You've got the Braves and Red Sox this weekend, Ken,
• 26:20
  Speaker 2: right now to you. Who are the Braves?
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: I'm not sure, but since their zero to seven start,
• 26:26
  Speaker 1: they've been really good twenty one and fifteen really good.
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: As a stretch, that's putting it too far, but they
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: have played better. Have they played to their fullest capabilities yet?
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: Absolutely not. It's been kind of interesting over the last
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: ten days or so. They've played in their last nine games,
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: eight one run games, and the other one was decided
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: by three runs. So are they going to be once
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: Acuna and Streider are back this kind of juggernaut that
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: they've been in the past. I would say that's possible.
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: And the emergence of Drake Baldwin, their catcher, has been
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: kind of intriguing. In recent days. They've had some bullpen hiccups.
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: Glaciers seems to have settled down a little bit. I
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: don't know where they are just yet, and they're going
• 27:10
  Speaker 1: to have some bumps continued along the way, but they
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: are at least back to five hundred and back to
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: where they should be. Actually a little bit below five
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: hundred right now, but in that area. And they got
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: to five hundred and a pretty quick turnaround considering where
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: they had started at that to seven. So you ask
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: me who the Braves are, I don't know exactly, but
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: it's a developing story. Let's put it like that.
• 27:34
  Speaker 2: And the Red Sox continue to be a developing story too. Ken.
• 27:37
  Speaker 2: This is a team that was just swept by the
• 27:39
  Speaker 2: Detroit Tigers, one of your surprise teams of the season.
• 27:42
  Speaker 2: What do we make of Boston?
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: I don't know either. And this team too, is one
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: that is kind of evolving and needing to play better
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: in every aspect of the game game. They just have
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: not been what we thought they would be at the
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: start of the season. Now they're going to evolve too
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: further as the season progresses. We're going to see Marcelo
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: Mayer and Roman Anthony at some point and I don't
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: know how they fit them in exactly, but they have
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: all of these players. Their rotation, to me, is a concern.
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: Howk just went on the IL. Of course Bueller is
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: on the IL. It's interesting their third in rotation innings
• 28:20
  Speaker 1: and twenty first in rotation era. And let's face it,
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: that's with Garrett Crochet having a sub too. So they
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: had some bullpen issues this week in Detroit. They've got
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: issues kind of all over the place at times. But
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: I still expect that they're going to be like the Braves,
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: a team that we are watching in the second half
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: and even before that, because there's just too much talent there.
• 28:45
  Speaker 2: How About they get to face Trek Schoogle yesterday and
• 28:47
  Speaker 2: Chris Sale tomorrow. That's our you know, that's going to
• 28:50
  Speaker 2: be interesting for them as far as reigning, say Young
• 28:52
  Speaker 2: award winners. All right, Ken, best of luck on the
• 28:55
  Speaker 2: braves in Red Sox Safe Travels. We appreciate it. Thanks
• 28:58
  Speaker 2: for answering all the questions today. Coming up next, it's
• 29:01
  Speaker 2: gonna be Foul Territory, of course. A. J. Pierzinski, Eric Kratz,
• 29:05
  Speaker 2: and Scott Braun. They're going to welcome in Dodgers Max Munsey,
• 29:08
  Speaker 2: new Rangers hitting coach Brett Boone is going to be there,
• 29:10
  Speaker 2: and Pete Rose's lawyer, Jeffrey Linkov. That should be interesting.
• 29:14
  Speaker 2: And then after Foul Territory, Clint Passius and myself are
• 29:17
  Speaker 2: going to be joined by Bill Plunkett of the OC
• 29:18
  Speaker 2: Register talking all things Dodgers, with Sasaki going on the
• 29:21
  Speaker 2: I L and the new catcher behind the plate that's
• 29:24
  Speaker 2: going to do it for fair territory. We'll see then