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How Netflix saved both Christmas and math · Math Therapy

• 0:03
  Lyn Sisson-Talbert: I wanted to find my square root of possible.
• 0:06
  Lyn Sisson-Talbert: And I want other people to figure out what is that formula for them?
• 0:10
  Lyn Sisson-Talbert: What is the formula for success?
• 0:12
  Lyn Sisson-Talbert: Be it adults, kids, you name it, because it is magic, it's magical.
• 0:18
  David E. Talbert: that's what I wanted to do with this is to normalize people of color and worlds of wonder and magic and science and all that.
• 0:27
  David E. Talbert: So it is like, of course we're there.
• 0:30
  David E. Talbert: that's what we're most proud of with the film.
• 0:34
  Vanessa Vakharia: Okay.
• 0:35
  Vanessa Vakharia: Okay.
• 0:35
  Vanessa Vakharia: Ho, ho, ho, ho.
• 0:36
  Vanessa Vakharia: That's how I was gonna start.
• 0:38
  Vanessa Vakharia: Ho ho, ho.
• 0:39
  Vanessa Vakharia: Merry Christmas.
• 0:41
  Vanessa Vakharia: Okay.
• 0:41
  Vanessa Vakharia: I'm gonna make this short and sweet because the episode speaks for itself.
• 0:45
  Vanessa Vakharia: Literally five Christmases ago.
• 0:46
  Vanessa Vakharia: Okay?
• 0:47
  Vanessa Vakharia: Five years ago in 2020, I was obsessed with this Christmas movie that came out.
• 0:52
  Vanessa Vakharia: Now don't, don't turn this off.
• 0:54
  Vanessa Vakharia: This is not one of my normal like Hallmark romcoms.
• 0:56
  Vanessa Vakharia: It was a Christmas movie about math, okay?
• 1:00
  Vanessa Vakharia: It was called Jingle Jangle.
• 1:01
  Vanessa Vakharia: It's about a little girl who saves Christmas with math.
• 1:05
  Vanessa Vakharia: I became so obsessed with it and I was like, I want the director and producer on the podcast.
• 1:09
  Vanessa Vakharia: And Sabina, our producer at the time, found them.
• 1:12
  Vanessa Vakharia: And they agreed to be on the podcast, and I recorded an interview with David E Talbert, writer and director of this film, and his wife, Lyn Sisson Talbert, producer of the film.
• 1:22
  Vanessa Vakharia: The film being Jingle Jangle.
• 1:25
  Vanessa Vakharia: Guys, It's Christmas I don't know what you're up to.
• 1:27
  Vanessa Vakharia: Maybe you celebrate, maybe you don't.
• 1:28
  Vanessa Vakharia: Maybe you're like, oh, there's nothing to do, I'm so sick of rom-coms, like I can't see Lacey Chabert one more time on my screen, like, whatever.
• 1:35
  Vanessa Vakharia: This is your moment.
• 1:36
  Vanessa Vakharia: You are gonna finish listening to this interview.
• 1:38
  Vanessa Vakharia: You're gonna be so inspired and you are gonna go put it on.
• 1:41
  Vanessa Vakharia: You are, go bring your Kleenex, you don't need your calculator, but it is the most beautiful movie about math and Christmas, like it is like an actual dream.
• 1:50
  Vanessa Vakharia: So I think that's all I'm even gonna say.
• 1:52
  Vanessa Vakharia: Like I could not believe at the time that I got them on the podcast.
• 1:56
  Vanessa Vakharia: I was like, I, I can't believe this is happening and I can't believe that it is their fifth anniversary and we can celebrate it by re-releasing this amazing episode.
• 2:03
  Vanessa Vakharia: I can't wait to hear what you think.
• 2:05
  Vanessa Vakharia: Text the podcast, hit the link in the app that you're playing.
• 2:08
  Vanessa Vakharia: You can text me right away and let me know not only what you think of this interview, but what you think of the movie once you watch it.
• 2:13
  Vanessa Vakharia: If you haven't already.
• 2:14
  Vanessa Vakharia: If you have, watch it again.
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  Vanessa Vakharia: That's what I'm gonna do right now.
• 2:20
  Vanessa Vakharia: Oh my God.
• 2:21
  Vanessa Vakharia: David and Lyn, welcome to the podcast.
• 2:24
  David E. Talbert: Hey, thanks for having us.
• 2:26
  Vanessa Vakharia: Okay, so I wanna just start by telling you how I found out about this movie.
• 2:30
  Vanessa Vakharia: So I was chilling, I was listening to CB, C, I heard you being interviewed by Tom Power and I, first of all, I'm like obsessed with Christmas, like it is like my season, it starts November 1st for me.
• 2:42
  Vanessa Vakharia: Like it's a whole thing.
• 2:42
  Vanessa Vakharia: And he was just, all I remember about the interview really is that he was like, oh my God.
• 2:47
  Vanessa Vakharia: Like this guy, you know, David was watching Christmas movies with his kid and the kid never saw himself represented, so he wanted to make this movie.
• 2:54
  Vanessa Vakharia: And I was like, oh, that sounds really nice.
• 2:56
  Vanessa Vakharia: I'm all about representation.
• 2:58
  Vanessa Vakharia: But then I put on the movie and I'm like.
• 3:02
  Vanessa Vakharia: Oh my God.
• 3:03
  Vanessa Vakharia: Oh my God.
• 3:04
  Vanessa Vakharia: It is about it.
• 3:05
  Vanessa Vakharia: It like, like nowhere was, it mentioned that it was about like a young black girl who's low-key math genius that saves Christmas by finding the square root of impossible.
• 3:12
  Vanessa Vakharia: Like, do you know like
• 3:13
  David E. Talbert: Yes.
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  David E. Talbert: Yes.
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  Vanessa Vakharia: And I freaked out.
• 3:15
  Vanessa Vakharia: So because I'm like literally freaking out constantly about this and can't even describe it.
• 3:20
  Vanessa Vakharia: Can we just start by you like.
• 3:22
  Vanessa Vakharia: Tell us what the movie's about.
• 3:23
  Vanessa Vakharia: Like if you were gonna tell our listeners what the movie's about, what would you say?
• 3:28
  David E. Talbert: I'd say it is about, uh, an inventor named Veronica's Jangle the greatest inventor in all the land.
• 3:34
  David E. Talbert: And his, uh, he was betrayed by his apprentice, so he lost his mojo and he's become, he stopped believing in himself for any, any of his inventions anymore.
• 3:45
  David E. Talbert: And, uh, his granddaughter.
• 3:47
  David E. Talbert: From across town comes to see him.
• 3:49
  David E. Talbert: Little does he know, she's a, an inventor herself, and a, and a genius and a scientist and all of that, and she, the movie is about can she help, um, uh, help her grandfather find his mojo again so that everything starts working again.
• 4:04
  Vanessa Vakharia: I, oh my God.
• 4:05
  Vanessa Vakharia: Oh my God.
• 4:06
  Vanessa Vakharia: You're literally quoting one of the greatest songs of all time, by the way.
• 4:09
  Vanessa Vakharia: So, okay.
• 4:10
  Vanessa Vakharia: And the other thing I think everyone should know is it's a musical because actually guys, yes.
• 4:13
  Vanessa Vakharia: I'll be honest, like I'm super into musicals, but I'm not into even musical movies.
• 4:17
  Vanessa Vakharia: Like I was like, oh, am I gonna get into it?
• 4:19
  Vanessa Vakharia: Oh, I was into it, like I was into it, so, okay.
• 4:23
  Vanessa Vakharia: One of the craziest things to me about the movie.
• 4:26
  Vanessa Vakharia: You know, I do a lot of research about representation with math in movies, and every math movie pretty much is like super boring and dry.
• 4:34
  Vanessa Vakharia: And it's like some white dude who's like a genius and then he goes crazy because he's like, oh my God, too smart and can't have a life.
• 4:39
  Vanessa Vakharia: But you made this movie about this like happy go lucky, like magical, wondrous film that involved math and like what possibly gave you the idea to combine math into a Christmas movie?
• 4:51
  Vanessa Vakharia: Like where did that come from for you?
• 4:53
  David E. Talbert: Well, for me it was, um, I, I love math first of all.
• 4:57
  David E. Talbert: You know, I, I, like, I count in my head.
• 4:59
  David E. Talbert: I, I, I don't really write things down.
• 5:01
  David E. Talbert: I, I, I, I like it a lot, but it started because I, I flunked in college math, uh, math and business economics twice.
• 5:09
  David E. Talbert: And I said, and said, and statistics, and I said, and then I came back later and got an A in both of them'cause I understood it.
• 5:19
  David E. Talbert: And so I liked the whimsy of films like, uh, Chitty Chitty Bang Bang and Willie Wonka and Mary Poppins.
• 5:26
  David E. Talbert: And so I came up with this thing, the square root of the second derivative of sensational.
• 5:32
  David E. Talbert: The, uh, circumference of spectacular and the square root of Impossible, these formulas.
• 5:39
  David E. Talbert: And, um, and then Lyn, uh, really took, took them to heart and got ahold of them and made this whole book series and she really latched onto the square root of, of, of possible.
• 5:52
  David E. Talbert: And so that became her, her kind of formula for what she does.
• 5:56
  Vanessa Vakharia: Okay.
• 5:57
  Vanessa Vakharia: Like it is so crazy because Christmas is about like, if I could think about joy and wonder, Christmas is what comes to mind.
• 6:05
  Vanessa Vakharia: Like it's the most joyous of joys and like the most wondrous of wonders.
• 6:08
  Vanessa Vakharia: But the crazy thing is, so is math, but it never gets positioned that way.
• 6:13
  Vanessa Vakharia: Like math is like the most boring thing in school and whenever like no one thinks of it like this.
• 6:17
  Vanessa Vakharia: So you guys have done what I consider to be like.
• 6:21
  Vanessa Vakharia: Okay.
• 6:21
  Vanessa Vakharia: Wow, this is so cheesy, but it is like a Christmas miracle.
• 6:24
  Vanessa Vakharia: Like you have managed to infuse the two together, like the Christmas magic.
• 6:29
  Vanessa Vakharia: Has somehow contagiously caught onto math through this film?
• 6:33
  Vanessa Vakharia: Do you guys like realize what an impact this is gonna have?
• 6:37
  Vanessa Vakharia: What kind of impact did you wanna have and are you seeing that maybe like you didn't realize how big of a deal this is?
• 6:44
  David E. Talbert: You wanna go?
• 6:44
  Lyn Sisson-Talbert: Yeah.
• 6:45
  Lyn Sisson-Talbert: Well I, for me, as he was saying, I wanted to find my square root of possible.
• 6:51
  Lyn Sisson-Talbert: And I want other people to figure out what is that formula for them?
• 6:55
  Lyn Sisson-Talbert: What is the formula for success?
• 6:57
  Lyn Sisson-Talbert: Be it adults, kids, you name it, and what's our square root of possible?
• 7:02
  Lyn Sisson-Talbert: So that's really what.
• 7:05
  Lyn Sisson-Talbert: What that whole theme behind it is this adding the magic to it.
• 7:10
  Lyn Sisson-Talbert: And I felt like we need to add the arts into stem.
• 7:13
  Lyn Sisson-Talbert: Yes.
• 7:13
  Lyn Sisson-Talbert: Mm-hmm.
• 7:14
  Lyn Sisson-Talbert: So it's like, as they call it steam.
• 7:16
  Lyn Sisson-Talbert: Yeah.
• 7:16
  Lyn Sisson-Talbert: Where you add the arts into stem, uh, education.
• 7:20
  Lyn Sisson-Talbert: And also I wanted, you know, girls to feel good about being smart.
• 7:26
  Lyn Sisson-Talbert: Because it is magic, it's magical.
• 7:28
  Lyn Sisson-Talbert: And all of these girls out there, if you just listen to anything that Journey's character says in her songs and, and what you know when she starts, you know.
• 7:40
  Lyn Sisson-Talbert: Moving around with that ball of magic and her formulas and they just come to life.
• 7:46
  Lyn Sisson-Talbert: It makes it just way more exciting.
• 7:48
  Lyn Sisson-Talbert: Yeah.
• 7:48
  Lyn Sisson-Talbert: And we have a 7-year-old son and we have to find ways to make things enticing and exciting.
• 7:55
  Lyn Sisson-Talbert: Mm-hmm.
• 7:55
  Lyn Sisson-Talbert: And to wanna do, and we wanna do it this way and we wanna see it, and it makes us happy and magical and feel good.
• 8:01
  Lyn Sisson-Talbert: It's gonna make him wanna do it.
• 8:03
  Lyn Sisson-Talbert: In turn, other children wanna do it.
• 8:05
  Vanessa Vakharia: Yeah, a a hundred percent.
• 8:07
  Vanessa Vakharia: And one of the things I loved about it, like when I'm trying to explain it to people, I'm like, guys, you don't understand.
• 8:12
  Vanessa Vakharia: It's about an inventor.
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  Vanessa Vakharia: Like think about how cool it is to be an inventor.
• 8:16
  Vanessa Vakharia: Like it's almost like, okay, at this day and age, no one understands that, right?
• 8:19
  Vanessa Vakharia: Like everyone's like making new apps and doing this and that.
• 8:22
  Vanessa Vakharia: But I love how simple it was that like.
• 8:25
  Vanessa Vakharia: You almost didn't even like the, it, it didn't matter what he was inventing.
• 8:29
  Vanessa Vakharia: It was such a simple thing.
• 8:30
  Vanessa Vakharia: I won't like give it away, but it was like the gizmos and the gadgets and the fact that he was just making something out of nothing became so magical.
• 8:37
  Vanessa Vakharia: And I kind of think like, you know, I do a lot of work with like, let's get kids into coding and, and you're kind of like.
• 8:43
  Vanessa Vakharia: I don't know, like that doesn't seem that, you know.
• 8:46
  Vanessa Vakharia: Cool.
• 8:46
  Vanessa Vakharia: Mm-hmm.
• 8:47
  Vanessa Vakharia: I get that we're making something, but I like that you took that idea and made it tangible and magical, and I think, like, I literally get goosebumps when I'm talking about this because that, I know you're not like in education and you're filmmakers, but that is what is missing literally from education, from the classroom, like, mm-hmm.
• 9:05
  Lyn Sisson-Talbert: No, you're so right.
• 9:06
  Vanessa Vakharia: Yeah, I, no, feel free to say more about that because I was gonna about to ask you like what, because I still think it's so crazy that you chose to go this route because normally like the two don't meet like Lyn.
• 9:16
  Vanessa Vakharia: Do you have any specific experiences with math or that or where you felt that way?
• 9:20
  Lyn Sisson-Talbert: Yes.
• 9:21
  Lyn Sisson-Talbert: So my father was an optometrist.
• 9:24
  Lyn Sisson-Talbert: He was actually one of the first black optometrists licensed in the state of Nevada.
• 9:28
  Lyn Sisson-Talbert: My mother trained to be a nurse.
• 9:30
  Lyn Sisson-Talbert: She's actually a math genius in her own right.
• 9:33
  Lyn Sisson-Talbert: And my father said, you know, before he passed that she should have been the doctor in the family truthfully.
• 9:40
  Lyn Sisson-Talbert: Um, so it.
• 9:43
  Lyn Sisson-Talbert: I grew up around the sciences and I grew up around seeing science work and also because my father was so great with people and it mattered for him to heal people with sciences.
• 9:57
  Lyn Sisson-Talbert: There was, um, an affinity.
• 9:59
  Lyn Sisson-Talbert: For that.
• 10:00
  Lyn Sisson-Talbert: And what it did.
• 10:01
  Lyn Sisson-Talbert: And what it meant.
• 10:02
  Lyn Sisson-Talbert: And at the same time, my nephew is an engineer.
• 10:05
  Lyn Sisson-Talbert: He does a lot of coding and he actually consulted on creating some of the formulas that you see in the film, um, to make sure that they made mathematical sense as well.
• 10:15
  Lyn Sisson-Talbert: So I was looking through the book yesterday being like, oh my, hold on.
• 10:20
  Lyn Sisson-Talbert: Yeah.
• 10:20
  Lyn Sisson-Talbert: You're like, does this go together?
• 10:22
  Lyn Sisson-Talbert: You know, I was, I was.
• 10:24
  Lyn Sisson-Talbert: But so for us, you know, I grew up around people that were into the sciences, into engineering, into, you know, math.
• 10:33
  Lyn Sisson-Talbert: Math in general.
• 10:34
  Lyn Sisson-Talbert: And, um, so I always had a love for it.
• 10:37
  Lyn Sisson-Talbert: I don't, did not have that gift, but I felt like.
• 10:43
  Lyn Sisson-Talbert: In the space of figuring things out for me, if I could create a formula for it, these are the things that I would create, you know, the square root of possible, you know, the, the sensational and, and all these different things.
• 10:58
  Lyn Sisson-Talbert: That's how I would wanna say it, to make it make sense for me and make it be fun for me.
• 11:04
  Vanessa Vakharia: I love it and it's okay.
• 11:06
  Vanessa Vakharia: So you said you, you didn't think you had the gift.
• 11:08
  Vanessa Vakharia: And I have to bring it up because my, my whole thing is that there's no such thing as a math person, but we're taught that like, and I just think, like, I went through so much of my life being like, well, I'm just, because I'm like obsessed with Keanu Reeves and I wanna be a famous rock star.
• 11:20
  Vanessa Vakharia: Like, that's my like, anytime.
• 11:24
  Vanessa Vakharia: No, I'm serious though.
• 11:25
  Vanessa Vakharia: Okay.
• 11:25
  Vanessa Vakharia: But anytime, so, anytime I wasn't doing well in math, people would be like, oh.
• 11:29
  Vanessa Vakharia: You're just not a math person.
• 11:30
  Vanessa Vakharia: Like you're not, you know?
• 11:31
  Vanessa Vakharia: 'cause we do, like you said, we separate the arts from STEM often.
• 11:36
  Vanessa Vakharia: And the way you're saying it so beautifully now is the fact that you had to find a way for you and you kind of were like, you know, math isn't about like.
• 11:46
  Vanessa Vakharia: You know, I mean, David, it's actually very impressive that you do math in your head and I love it, but it's like that's not,
• 11:50
  Lyn Sisson-Talbert: he's very good at it.
• 11:52
  Vanessa Vakharia: Very, and that's amazing.
• 11:53
  Vanessa Vakharia: And that's that do, that is what being good at math is.
• 11:55
  Vanessa Vakharia: But math is also being good at problem solving.
• 11:57
  Vanessa Vakharia: It's about thinking creatively.
• 11:59
  Vanessa Vakharia: Right?
• 11:59
  Vanessa Vakharia: It's about seeing things like journey that no one else sees even, even if they're not like the quote unquote, right.
• 12:05
  Vanessa Vakharia: Things that the world sees.
• 12:06
  Vanessa Vakharia: Mm-hmm.
• 12:07
  Vanessa Vakharia: So like.
• 12:07
  Vanessa Vakharia: I, you do have that gift
• 12:10
  Lyn Sisson-Talbert: then?
• 12:10
  Lyn Sisson-Talbert: I'm definitely a genius.
• 12:12
  Vanessa Vakharia: You're a genius.
• 12:14
  Vanessa Vakharia: Oh, I, I mean, I don't think that's up for debate.
• 12:16
  Vanessa Vakharia: Like you're for sure a genius.
• 12:18
  Vanessa Vakharia: You're for sure a genius.
• 12:19
  Vanessa Vakharia: And I'm sure like we, I, you know, I'm not gonna get into every, all the crazy things I'm sure happened in the making of this film, which you've been writing since 1996.
• 12:27
  Vanessa Vakharia: Like, you were solving problems, you were making equations, you weren't writing, maybe writing them down.
• 12:32
  Vanessa Vakharia: That's what I love about this movie is like Journey has this way of seeing things.
• 12:36
  Vanessa Vakharia: And I even love her little like trainee friend who's like, loves her.
• 12:40
  David E. Talbert: Oh, Edison, Edison,
• 12:42
  Vanessa Vakharia: Edison.
• 12:43
  Vanessa Vakharia: It's so cute.
• 12:44
  Vanessa Vakharia: But also like, he doesn't see things her way, but he's just as helpful, you know, like mm-hmm.
• 12:49
  Vanessa Vakharia: He's doing, he's pulling his weight and he's doing what he needs to do to make the equations work.
• 12:53
  Vanessa Vakharia: And that's what I love is I love that every kid's gonna take, come away from this being like, okay, like there is a piece of me that fits in here and I'm not, I don't care if people go into stem, I truly don't, but I care if people feel like they don't belong there and they don't have the choice.
• 13:08
  Vanessa Vakharia: And so, absolutely.
• 13:09
  Vanessa Vakharia: Lyn, I was gonna ask you, did you ever feel that way?
• 13:13
  Lyn Sisson-Talbert: I.
• 13:15
  Lyn Sisson-Talbert: I actually didn't feel that way.
• 13:17
  Lyn Sisson-Talbert: It was what do I have a love and passion for?
• 13:20
  Lyn Sisson-Talbert: Yes.
• 13:20
  Lyn Sisson-Talbert: Um, because like I actually was gonna go into optometry and, you know, went to my first year thinking that, you know, I'm gonna follow in my dad's footsteps and I'm gonna be an optometrist like him.
• 13:32
  Lyn Sisson-Talbert: But my heart wasn't in it.
• 13:35
  Lyn Sisson-Talbert: Yeah.
• 13:35
  Lyn Sisson-Talbert: In that particular, so I, I am more of a creative person in my science, you know, is revealed in more creative ways.
• 13:44
  Lyn Sisson-Talbert: But you know, like you said, being a, being a problem solver and troubleshooting things, you know, I am a geek when it comes to technology.
• 13:54
  Lyn Sisson-Talbert: You wouldn't think so with figuring out this.
• 13:56
  Lyn Sisson-Talbert: Airbus, but you know, I'm the, I'm the go-to girl when it comes to, um, customer service with my mom.
• 14:04
  Lyn Sisson-Talbert: David's like, what are you doing on the phone?
• 14:05
  Lyn Sisson-Talbert: Oh, I'm showing my mom how to update her computer.
• 14:07
  Lyn Sisson-Talbert: Or you know, David's like, Lyn, can you please help with this?
• 14:10
  Lyn Sisson-Talbert: Or my son's like, can you come put this together?
• 14:12
  Lyn Sisson-Talbert: So that is definitely me.
• 14:14
  Lyn Sisson-Talbert: I have my own little pink toolkit that I use around the house.
• 14:18
  Lyn Sisson-Talbert: There's just all kinds of things that I'm really into as far as fixing things and putting things together and figuring stuff out.
• 14:26
  Lyn Sisson-Talbert: So I think that that is definitely a huge tool that people should have and kids should have in general, about finding ways to figure out how to solve and troubleshoot scenarios and situations.
• 14:39
  Vanessa Vakharia: You sound kind of like an inventor, just gonna say, but it It is true.
• 14:46
  Vanessa Vakharia: And the other thing I was just gonna throw in is I was having this talk with someone earlier.
• 14:50
  Vanessa Vakharia: It's so weird with math and science.
• 14:52
  Vanessa Vakharia: It's almost like people think those are the things that make you smart.
• 14:55
  Vanessa Vakharia: So like for example, you'll see someone, like you just said, actually you, I mean, you're so accomplished in the things you've created, right?
• 15:02
  Vanessa Vakharia: Like you're so creative.
• 15:04
  Vanessa Vakharia: But someone can paint this beautiful painting and no one will look at it and be like, wow.
• 15:07
  Vanessa Vakharia: That person's so smart.
• 15:09
  Vanessa Vakharia: They'll say, uh, they'll use other words.
• 15:11
  Vanessa Vakharia: They're so creative, they're so thoughtful, whatever.
• 15:13
  Vanessa Vakharia: But we place this weird value on intelligence and the type of intelligence that goes along with math and science.
• 15:19
  Vanessa Vakharia: So that's why when people are like, well, who cares about representation in math and science?
• 15:24
  Vanessa Vakharia: If you're bad at math and science or you, you are made to feel at a young age, like you can't do it, which happens to lots of girls and a lot of people of color.
• 15:31
  Vanessa Vakharia: It just does.
• 15:32
  Vanessa Vakharia: Mm-hmm.
• 15:32
  Vanessa Vakharia: When that happens, you internalize that and you carry that with you, and you think.
• 15:36
  Vanessa Vakharia: There's this thing on this planet I can't do, and it makes me stupid.
• 15:39
  Vanessa Vakharia: So I, I really like that your movie opens the, opens up the entry point to stem to say there is a way for you to feel good at this.
• 15:48
  Vanessa Vakharia: You, like Lyn said, it's so well said.
• 15:50
  Vanessa Vakharia: If it's not your love or passion, don't do it.
• 15:52
  Vanessa Vakharia: But if you want to, you can feel good at it and still choose to say no to it.
• 15:57
  Lyn Sisson-Talbert: Absolutely.
• 15:57
  Lyn Sisson-Talbert: And also for us in this film, we wanted to honor those inventors in history that weren't recognized.
• 16:04
  Lyn Sisson-Talbert: You know, like Edison's last name is Latimer off from Louis Latimer, who also invented the light bulb, but nobody knows that.
• 16:13
  Lyn Sisson-Talbert: You know what I'm saying?
• 16:14
  Lyn Sisson-Talbert: Right.
• 16:14
  Lyn Sisson-Talbert: So there are a lot of, um, you know, vi Vivian Thomas who was part of, um, creating the bypass heart surgery that worked behind the doctor that gets credited for it.
• 16:26
  Lyn Sisson-Talbert: You know, there are a lot of us out there.
• 16:29
  Lyn Sisson-Talbert: That are very involved and very entrenched in the sciences, in in, in, um, law and all these type of things.
• 16:36
  Lyn Sisson-Talbert: Um, um, Louis Laro also was a patent lawyer.
• 16:39
  Lyn Sisson-Talbert: It's like you would not know these things.
• 16:41
  Lyn Sisson-Talbert: You would never know unless you really delved in, because no one puts'em in the books for us to learn.
• 16:47
  Lyn Sisson-Talbert: Absolutely.
• 16:48
  Lyn Sisson-Talbert: And it's, you know, it's not fair to a lot regarding representation because this, these kids don't know, wow, there's someone that looks like me that invented the filament.
• 16:57
  Lyn Sisson-Talbert: That makes the light bulb light up.
• 17:00
  Lyn Sisson-Talbert: You know, how cool is that?
• 17:01
  Lyn Sisson-Talbert: Like he invented heart surgery and he never even went to medical school.
• 17:07
  Lyn Sisson-Talbert: Like, you know, so these are the things that we wanna put out there, and we have a lot of Easter eggs within the film that honor those before us in history that may have not gotten the credit that they deserve.
• 17:21
  Lyn Sisson-Talbert: So, you know, you make a good point just about.
• 17:24
  Lyn Sisson-Talbert: Oh, shining a light on representation so that you know, the kids that haven't seen themselves in this type of media feel, I can do that too.
• 17:35
  Lyn Sisson-Talbert: Wow.
• 17:36
  Vanessa Vakharia: Mm-hmm.
• 17:37
  Vanessa Vakharia: Mm-hmm.
• 17:37
  Vanessa Vakharia: Yes.
• 17:37
  Vanessa Vakharia: Yes.
• 17:37
  Vanessa Vakharia: And speaking of first, like, I, I love that.
• 17:40
  Vanessa Vakharia: I loved all the Easter eggs.
• 17:41
  Vanessa Vakharia: Like I still, I can't wait to watch it like a million times to see more, but I hope like you guys, you know, I think we've, I, all the interviews I've read and listened to are like, this is the first live action movie for Netflix.
• 17:54
  Vanessa Vakharia: I think that's cool.
• 17:56
  Vanessa Vakharia: But I think what's way cooler is that I truly like think that this is the first movie that presents joy in this magical and wondrous way for a black girl to feel capable of.
• 18:09
  Vanessa Vakharia: Like I actually, I have been rocking my brain.
• 18:11
  Vanessa Vakharia: I did a poll on my Instagram to ask anyone if they had seen anything like this, if there were any other characters.
• 18:16
  Vanessa Vakharia: As you can imagine, the only movie anyone else comes up with is Hidden Figures, which was recent.
• 18:21
  Vanessa Vakharia: Mm-hmm.
• 18:22
  Vanessa Vakharia: So I wanna ask you like.
• 18:24
  Vanessa Vakharia: Yeah, I, I'm sure you're very, very proud of the film, but I kind of see it as a call to action for the rest of Hollywood to pick it up.
• 18:30
  Vanessa Vakharia: Like what do you hope to inspire in the rest of this media kind of landscape we're in that has such power over kids?
• 18:39
  Vanessa Vakharia: What do you hope to, I mean, what, what is the call to action?
• 18:42
  Vanessa Vakharia: Do you hope that they take something from this?
• 18:45
  David E. Talbert: I think it's normalizing, uh, people of color in worlds that we wouldn't normally see them in.
• 18:51
  David E. Talbert: I mean, you know, we have, most of my interviews now are about well representation and all that, but that's because you can't point to one like this.
• 19:01
  David E. Talbert: But the, the goal is to normalize it.
• 19:04
  David E. Talbert: So then we're just talking about it as being a good film.
• 19:06
  Vanessa Vakharia: Totally.
• 19:07
  David E. Talbert: You know, and, and, and of course, you know, before, uh, Jordan Peele did get out.
• 19:13
  David E. Talbert: You know, black people didn't last after five minutes in a horror movie.
• 19:16
  David E. Talbert: You know, we were paid by the minute so that they would have, they give us a thousand dollars a minute and you're like, I'm gonna make a lot of money.
• 19:23
  David E. Talbert: Well, your ass only gonna be alive for, for five minutes in the film.
• 19:26
  David E. Talbert: But now, you know, it's normalized.
• 19:29
  David E. Talbert: Uh, black Panther normalized.
• 19:31
  David E. Talbert: Yes.
• 19:31
  David E. Talbert: You can't do any of the Marvel movies without seeing the general, or, you know, God rest his soul.
• 19:37
  David E. Talbert: Um, uh, Chadwick Bozeman, but those characters.
• 19:40
  David E. Talbert: Little sister.
• 19:41
  David E. Talbert: Uh, so that's what I wanted to do with this is to normalize people of color and worlds of wonder and magic and, and science and all that.
• 19:52
  David E. Talbert: So it is like, of course we're there.
• 19:54
  David E. Talbert: So I'm, I'm hoping that that's what, that's what it does.
• 19:58
  David E. Talbert: That's why we threw everything and the kitchen sink into it.
• 20:00
  David E. Talbert: Yeah.
• 20:01
  David E. Talbert: To make sure.
• 20:02
  David E. Talbert: Um, but, but that's what we're most proud of with the film.
• 20:05
  Lyn Sisson-Talbert: Yeah.
• 20:05
  Lyn Sisson-Talbert: And also like we felt that doing this, we knew we wanted to make something amazing and bring this vision to life, and at the same time, we knew it also was a responsibility on our shoulders.
• 20:17
  Lyn Sisson-Talbert: Mm-hmm.
• 20:18
  Lyn Sisson-Talbert: Because if we got it wrong, was someone else gonna get another chance?
• 20:22
  Lyn Sisson-Talbert: You know, the whiz came out 40 years ago.
• 20:25
  Lyn Sisson-Talbert: You know, if you can believe that, and that wasn't an original ip, right?
• 20:29
  Lyn Sisson-Talbert: So when you look at, you know, films that have had theatrical releases and gone to, uh, you know, been available to us, it's been a long time.
• 20:39
  Lyn Sisson-Talbert: You know, it took us 20 years to get this done.
• 20:43
  Lyn Sisson-Talbert: And so, as David said, is it is about normalizing it and it is also about opportunities and opening doors for other people to get this chance without having to wait so long.
• 20:54
  Vanessa Vakharia: That is so like generous and, and wonderful.
• 20:58
  Vanessa Vakharia: I think that is such a wonderful way of looking at it.
• 21:01
  Vanessa Vakharia: Um, and also that's a lot of pressure to put on yourself, but the good news, is the good news is you got it right.
• 21:06
  Vanessa Vakharia: And like, okay.
• 21:07
  Vanessa Vakharia: The other thing is I was like, yeah, you really did.
• 21:09
  Vanessa Vakharia: I, I like, was nervous during it because I was like.
• 21:13
  Vanessa Vakharia: If they turn this into a musical, I'm gonna like, I think people would lose their minds.
• 21:18
  Vanessa Vakharia: Like, I can't imagine being like I was, I'm not kidding.
• 21:21
  Vanessa Vakharia: Like I was hysterically like bawling.
• 21:23
  Vanessa Vakharia: Like I was like, oh my God.
• 21:24
  Vanessa Vakharia: Like I was like, imagine a theater full of people watching this.
• 21:27
  Vanessa Vakharia: Like, is this gonna be a musical?
• 21:29
  Vanessa Vakharia: Are you allowed to tell me, is this, stop?
• 21:31
  David E. Talbert: We're working on a Broadway musical for this, which is what it was attended to originally be, be, but yeah.
• 21:38
  David E. Talbert: Right.
• 21:38
  David E. Talbert: We're taken to the stage.
• 21:40
  Vanessa Vakharia: I like, I need a moment of silence on stage.
• 21:42
  Vanessa Vakharia: Yeah.
• 21:42
  Vanessa Vakharia: I'm like, literally, I'm, I'm speechless because I can't even, like, I feel like it is gonna be the most cathartic, like empowering experience.
• 21:51
  Vanessa Vakharia: Like I can't even, like I wish I could be cast in this musical.
• 21:54
  Vanessa Vakharia: I have no spill would be useful.
• 21:56
  Vanessa Vakharia: Like literally at all.
• 21:58
  Vanessa Vakharia: Oh my God.
• 21:59
  Vanessa Vakharia: Okay.
• 21:59
  Vanessa Vakharia: We were talking about representation, and I have to tell you this story because it's crazy.
• 22:03
  Vanessa Vakharia: I was, so yesterday I'm interviewing this woman named Esther Brunat.
• 22:07
  Vanessa Vakharia: She's like a math influencer, okay, from the states.
• 22:10
  Vanessa Vakharia: So she's like a black math influencer and I'm like, have you seen Jingle Jangle?
• 22:13
  Vanessa Vakharia: She loses her mind.
• 22:15
  Vanessa Vakharia: She's like five times.
• 22:17
  Vanessa Vakharia: Then she pulls out a video of her niece, no joke, who's at the window in the like fog do saying I'm Journey and doing all the magical.
• 22:30
  Vanessa Vakharia: So first of all it was like, are you like, are you freaking out?
• 22:34
  Vanessa Vakharia: Ah, okay.
• 22:35
  Vanessa Vakharia: But also I'm sending you the video because I already asked her.
• 22:37
  Vanessa Vakharia: I was like, listen, please, absolutely, please send it.
• 22:40
  Vanessa Vakharia: Yes, I'll, I'll, I'll, I was like, low key.
• 22:42
  Vanessa Vakharia: I might be actually speaking to these people.
• 22:44
  Vanessa Vakharia: And she was like, what are you talking about?
• 22:45
  Vanessa Vakharia: I was like, I don't wanna hype it up yet, but yes, she showed me the video.
• 22:47
  Vanessa Vakharia: You're literally gonna freak out.
• 22:48
  Vanessa Vakharia: But the thing is, she's not the only one like this mu, you know, like you're having such a crazy impact and it's like to think like these are young girls who are going to grow up with a completely different perception of themselves and their abilities, thanks to your Christmas movie.
• 23:05
  Lyn Sisson-Talbert: Oh my God,
• 23:06
  David E. Talbert: yeah.
• 23:07
  David E. Talbert: It really is.
• 23:08
  David E. Talbert: Um, uh, when you grow, when I start to write something, I write to entertain myself.
• 23:14
  David E. Talbert: Uh, and then you put it out in the world and you hope people love it as much as, as you love the love you put into it.
• 23:21
  David E. Talbert: But this one has really been overwhelming.
• 23:23
  David E. Talbert: Um, the, the, the, the core that has been struck with this has really been overwhelming.
• 23:28
  David E. Talbert: People are.
• 23:30
  David E. Talbert: Really moved by the film in so many different ways.
• 23:33
  David E. Talbert: And, um, I'm just, I'm just very thankful to be Lyn and I to, you know, um, be given this gift that we can give to the world.
• 23:42
  David E. Talbert: And, uh, it's still, it's very overwhelming.
• 23:44
  David E. Talbert: I, you know, and, but I'm very appreciative and enjoying the ride.
• 23:48
  David E. Talbert: This is 30 years, it'll be in the business for me.
• 23:50
  David E. Talbert: So it's, it is very special, very special,
• 23:53
  Vanessa Vakharia: very special.
• 23:54
  Vanessa Vakharia: Oh, well, I'm, I mean, I'm just, this is so amazing.
• 23:57
  Vanessa Vakharia: I wanna make sure we talk about the books because last night my bedtime story was the square root of possible.
• 24:04
  Vanessa Vakharia: So can we, I actually, and, and again, like I put it on my gift list, I've been telling everyone Yes.
• 24:10
  Vanessa Vakharia: Oh my God.
• 24:10
  Vanessa Vakharia: Oh my God.
• 24:11
  Vanessa Vakharia: Show it up.
• 24:12
  Vanessa Vakharia: So cute.
• 24:13
  Vanessa Vakharia: Tell us, tell us about the books.
• 24:15
  Vanessa Vakharia: Like what's the vibe?
• 24:16
  Vanessa Vakharia: What do we need to know?
• 24:17
  Vanessa Vakharia: So
• 24:18
  Lyn Sisson-Talbert: I, I mean, I want the Jingle Jangle Universe to be a part of, you know, our world forever and a part of holidays and really everything.
• 24:29
  Lyn Sisson-Talbert: So in my mind, um, you have to have those ancillary things to keep pushing the message.
• 24:36
  Lyn Sisson-Talbert: So I love that song, square Root Possible, and that song got me through shooting this movie.
• 24:42
  Lyn Sisson-Talbert: I'm in my car singing it, I'm playing it all the time.
• 24:46
  Lyn Sisson-Talbert: I know how this movie touched the little girl in me.
• 24:50
  Lyn Sisson-Talbert: So as that little girl, I knew that I would want to see something added to that.
• 24:55
  Lyn Sisson-Talbert: So that's why I did square root of possible picture books.
• 24:58
  Lyn Sisson-Talbert: So for those really little ones, and then, which is just a sweet little story about how, you know, she helps Veronica bring back his.
• 25:07
  Lyn Sisson-Talbert: His possible.
• 25:08
  Lyn Sisson-Talbert: Mm-hmm.
• 25:09
  Lyn Sisson-Talbert: And I put the words of the song in the back so that they could sing along as well to the song.
• 25:16
  Lyn Sisson-Talbert: So anyone that gets a book, they get the download of the song for free if they just upload their receipt.
• 25:22
  Lyn Sisson-Talbert: And then the middle grade book was for that 10 and up.
• 25:26
  Lyn Sisson-Talbert: Um, that delves into the story a little bit more.
• 25:28
  Lyn Sisson-Talbert: Um, you know, for my son, my son's seven, but he's reading this, both of them actually.
• 25:35
  Lyn Sisson-Talbert: And um, I had to have just a full circle moment.
• 25:38
  Lyn Sisson-Talbert: I had Felicia Rashad do the audio of the middle grade book, which is Jingle Jangle, the events.
• 25:45
  Lyn Sisson-Talbert: The invention of Veronica's jangle, say that 10 times.
• 25:48
  Lyn Sisson-Talbert: Then jingle jangle the invention of Veronica's jangle.
• 25:52
  Lyn Sisson-Talbert: Um, so that, that's really what it's about.
• 25:55
  Lyn Sisson-Talbert: I wanna continue to, to support little girls and boys in this way, in a positive way and, and encourage them to, you know, use their imagination and.
• 26:09
  Lyn Sisson-Talbert: Use stem and push on the things that they wanna do, and that they know in their minds and in their hearts that anything is possible.
• 26:17
  Vanessa Vakharia: Mm-hmm.
• 26:17
  Vanessa Vakharia: I feel like this is gonna be so useful.
• 26:19
  Vanessa Vakharia: Like educational resources kind of suck.
• 26:22
  Vanessa Vakharia: Like there isn't stuff like this, right?
• 26:23
  Vanessa Vakharia: Mm-hmm.
• 26:23
  Vanessa Vakharia: It's either like a textbook or it's like.
• 26:26
  Vanessa Vakharia: Nothing.
• 26:27
  Vanessa Vakharia: So I think it's gonna be really cool to see what you guys come up with.
• 26:30
  Vanessa Vakharia: Like, I, I'm kind of envisioning since I'm here to pitch my idea, um, like a, where is Waldo type book, but like, for, for all the things you were talking about, like all the little Easter eggs and fi, like wheres during whatever, who cares?
• 26:41
  Vanessa Vakharia: We can cut this outta the podcast, but I just thought it That's right.
• 26:47
  Vanessa Vakharia: Um, oh, the other thing I was gonna say quickly, me and David are in a band, like a rock band, and I'm putting the hard sell on us, covering square root of possible.
• 26:56
  Vanessa Vakharia: Woo.
• 26:56
  Vanessa Vakharia: Like a mock version.
• 26:58
  Vanessa Vakharia: Love it.
• 26:58
  Vanessa Vakharia: Oh, you better send that.
• 26:59
  Vanessa Vakharia: We have to do it.
• 27:01
  Vanessa Vakharia: And I play key chart so we could have like a key chart in it.
• 27:03
  Vanessa Vakharia: David, you have to say, oh wow.
• 27:05
  David E. Talbert: I love it.
• 27:06
  David Kochberg: Like putting me on the spot.
• 27:08
  Vanessa Vakharia: I guess that's a yes.
• 27:08
  Vanessa Vakharia: Okay, final two questions.
• 27:12
  Vanessa Vakharia: What would you change if you could change one thing about the way math is taught in schools, what would it be?
• 27:19
  David E. Talbert: For me, it would be to make it, uh, fun.
• 27:24
  Vanessa Vakharia: Yeah.
• 27:25
  David E. Talbert: And, and that was the kind of the idea of, and make it, make it not seem like, um.
• 27:33
  David E. Talbert: Yeah, like, uh, you know, like you had to be a rocket scientist, you know, to do it.
• 27:39
  David E. Talbert: Um, and so that's what I, that's why I started to make it fun and do formulas in my head and do things, and then I would figure out my own way of solving, um, equations in my head and just made it simple for me and easy.
• 27:52
  David E. Talbert: And now it's, it's fun, but I think, yeah, if it, it didn't be like, you know, you have to do blah, blah, blah.
• 27:58
  David E. Talbert: So I think I, I would change that.
• 28:00
  David E. Talbert: I would make it fun.
• 28:02
  Vanessa Vakharia: Well, and I love it.
• 28:02
  Vanessa Vakharia: I, yeah, no, no, go ahead.
• 28:04
  Vanessa Vakharia: Go ahead.
• 28:05
  Lyn Sisson-Talbert: Oh no, I was saying, yeah, same here.
• 28:07
  Lyn Sisson-Talbert: But I would do,'cause I remember music, you know I love the music.
• 28:11
  Lyn Sisson-Talbert: I don't know if you remember that Two plus two is four.
• 28:14
  Lyn Sisson-Talbert: Four plus FOUR is eight.
• 28:17
  Lyn Sisson-Talbert: Eight plus eight is 16 and 16 and 16 are 32.
• 28:21
  Lyn Sisson-Talbert: There were all these like fun little songs that would be done.
• 28:25
  Lyn Sisson-Talbert: You remember the count on Sesame Street?
• 28:27
  Lyn Sisson-Talbert: Yes.
• 28:28
  Lyn Sisson-Talbert: I just love David's face.
• 28:29
  Lyn Sisson-Talbert: Three.
• 28:30
  Lyn Sisson-Talbert: He's like, no, I don't remember that.
• 28:31
  Lyn Sisson-Talbert: David's like, I'm out.
• 28:32
  Lyn Sisson-Talbert: Sorry.
• 28:32
  Lyn Sisson-Talbert: It was another era.
• 28:34
  Lyn Sisson-Talbert: Um, but I, I,
• 28:36
  David E. Talbert: mine was schoolhouse rock.
• 28:37
  Lyn Sisson-Talbert: Yeah.
• 28:37
  Lyn Sisson-Talbert: I, I had schoolhouse rock too.
• 28:38
  David E. Talbert: Yeah.
• 28:38
  David E. Talbert: That was my era.
• 28:39
  David E. Talbert: 3 6, 9, 12, 15, 18.
• 28:41
  David E. Talbert: 21 24, 27.
• 28:43
  David E. Talbert: 30.
• 28:44
  David E. Talbert: 30.
• 28:45
  David E. Talbert: Yeah.
• 28:45
  David E. Talbert: Man.
• 28:45
  David E. Talbert: And a woman had a little baby.
• 28:46
  David E. Talbert: Yes.
• 28:47
  David E. Talbert: All that stuff.
• 28:48
  David E. Talbert: Yes.
• 28:48
  David E. Talbert: Yeah.
• 28:48
  David E. Talbert: Schoolhouse rock was it?
• 28:50
  David E. Talbert: Was was it for me?
• 28:51
  Lyn Sisson-Talbert: Yeah.
• 28:52
  Lyn Sisson-Talbert: So I miss stuff like that because it's, it's all about making it fun.
• 28:56
  Lyn Sisson-Talbert: And then you don't even realize it hits you when you're at the grocery store and you're like, you know, 16 to 16 or 32, you know, you're like, oh, 32, oh, lemme here.
• 29:06
  Lyn Sisson-Talbert: You know?
• 29:06
  Lyn Sisson-Talbert: So I, I think.
• 29:08
  Lyn Sisson-Talbert: Definitely making it more fun, adding these elements, including something like movies like this in the curriculum to get the kids excited about, oh, maybe I do want to be an inventor or a mathematician, or, you know, um, do formulas in an amazing way and, and add some art to it, you know, because I think you definitely get more, more kids excited about it.
• 29:33
  Lyn Sisson-Talbert: And there's so many.
• 29:34
  Lyn Sisson-Talbert: You know, resources out there now to help with that.
• 29:37
  Lyn Sisson-Talbert: Like these box kits that they send out.
• 29:39
  Lyn Sisson-Talbert: Wow.
• 29:39
  Lyn Sisson-Talbert: And, you know, STEM kits and, you know, getting people involved, like you doing podcasts and, and all of that.
• 29:46
  Lyn Sisson-Talbert: I just feel like we need to group together a little bit more as on how to present it so that kids are excited about it.
• 29:54
  Vanessa Vakharia: I love it.
• 29:55
  Vanessa Vakharia: And honestly like I think like time's over for this is gonna be bad.
• 29:59
  Vanessa Vakharia: I shouldn't say it, I'm saying it anyway.
• 30:00
  Vanessa Vakharia: I think time's over for like the school boards to be ruling it.
• 30:03
  Vanessa Vakharia: Like I'm kind of like, you know what?
• 30:05
  Vanessa Vakharia: You had your chance and you have failed.
• 30:07
  Vanessa Vakharia: So now it's up to actually people like influencers, people in the media, people who are creative.
• 30:13
  Vanessa Vakharia: It's up to us to solve the problem now.
• 30:14
  Vanessa Vakharia: And the truth is like when I was doing my masters.
• 30:17
  Vanessa Vakharia: The, the research is clear.
• 30:19
  Vanessa Vakharia: Like the biggest influence on a kid's life is not what happens in the classroom, it's on what, it's what happens outside of the classroom.
• 30:25
  Vanessa Vakharia: So the more we can, yeah.
• 30:26
  Vanessa Vakharia: And us taking charge of that and saying, no, you can't just keep making movies about white men doing math.
• 30:31
  Vanessa Vakharia: Like we're here to change it.
• 30:33
  Vanessa Vakharia: The whole, you can't be what you can't see.
• 30:35
  Vanessa Vakharia: Like you can see it now.
• 30:36
  Vanessa Vakharia: Right.
• 30:37
  Vanessa Vakharia: And as that happens.
• 30:38
  Vanessa Vakharia: I think that stuff will change, and that idea of bringing, bringing creativity into the classroom.
• 30:43
  Vanessa Vakharia: You're right.
• 30:43
  Vanessa Vakharia: And I think it's not only in like, oh, we're painting, but in like, appreciating, getting the wrong answer, appreciating the creativity required to solve a problem.
• 30:52
  Vanessa Vakharia: So like, you're, you're entirely right.
• 30:54
  Vanessa Vakharia: And you're, you guys are, you're up there, you're up doing mm-hmm.
• 30:56
  Vanessa Vakharia: You know, you're, you're doing it.
• 30:57
  Vanessa Vakharia: You're doing it.
• 30:58
  Vanessa Vakharia: All right.
• 30:59
  Vanessa Vakharia: Last que thank you.
• 31:00
  Vanessa Vakharia: Yeah.
• 31:00
  Vanessa Vakharia: Well, thank you.
• 31:01
  Vanessa Vakharia: Last question is, what would you say to someone who says, well, I'm just not a math person.
• 31:08
  Lyn Sisson-Talbert: Well now, I mean now that you've beat it into my head, I'm gonna say everyone's a math person.
• 31:15
  Lyn Sisson-Talbert: You know, can you solve a problem?
• 31:17
  Lyn Sisson-Talbert: You know, can you, can you screw in a screw in a light bulb?
• 31:22
  Lyn Sisson-Talbert: You're a math person.
• 31:23
  Lyn Sisson-Talbert: Yes, yes.
• 31:24
  David E. Talbert: But we work out formulas in every, every moment in our life.
• 31:29
  David E. Talbert: We're working out formulas.
• 31:30
  David E. Talbert: You know, even growing up in the, in the church, uh, in the, in a church for me, there was a scripture.
• 31:36
  David E. Talbert: One of my favorites, favorite scriptures of faith without works is dead.
• 31:41
  David E. Talbert: And, and so then that's an equation.
• 31:43
  David E. Talbert: Faith plus works.
• 31:44
  David E. Talbert: So it is these things added equal.
• 31:47
  David E. Talbert: This, and, and so it, it's, it's all of, so I, I, I look at the formulas, spiritual formulas that help me get through life, but Wow.
• 31:58
  David E. Talbert: But I think we're always working out formulas.
• 32:00
  David E. Talbert: I think we're all math people.
• 32:01
  David E. Talbert: Yeah.
• 32:03
  Vanessa Vakharia: I am like, I feel like I'm gonna cry and I have blue eyeliner on, so like, I just need, like, yeah.
• 32:08
  Vanessa Vakharia: Yeah.
• 32:08
  Vanessa Vakharia: Well,
• 32:09
  David E. Talbert: thank you.
• 32:09
  David E. Talbert: This, this whole thing.
• 32:10
  David E. Talbert: You know, Lyn's uh, nephew, um, helped with the formulas.
• 32:15
  David E. Talbert: Uh, Jalan who is a, what is his gig?
• 32:19
  Lyn Sisson-Talbert: He's an engineer for Intel.
• 32:21
  David E. Talbert: He, he is an engineer.
• 32:22
  David E. Talbert: And then we, and then we brought in an astrophysicist mm-hmm.
• 32:25
  David E. Talbert: Uh, in London that helped.
• 32:27
  David E. Talbert: So, because, because we wanted actual formulas.
• 32:30
  David E. Talbert: Yeah.
• 32:30
  David E. Talbert: It talked about momentum and talked about, um, uh, uh, propelling yourself through, so all these things were about how do you keep things moving?
• 32:40
  David E. Talbert: And so we, we took a lot of, um.
• 32:43
  David E. Talbert: Uh, time with those, but, but I'm glad they struck a chord with you.
• 32:47
  David E. Talbert: I'm glad they struck a chord with, um, young girls and boys everywhere.
• 32:52
  David E. Talbert: And, uh, again, thankful for the opportunity to share this with the world.
• 32:56
  David E. Talbert: Thanks for having us.
• 32:57
  Vanessa Vakharia: Thank you so, so much.
• 32:58
  Vanessa Vakharia: It's been an absolute pleasure.
• 32:59
  Vanessa Vakharia: Everyone, literally stop what you're doing right now.
• 33:02
  Vanessa Vakharia: Go to Netflix, put on Jingle Jangle the square root Yes.
• 33:06
  Vanessa Vakharia: Of impossible.
• 33:07
  Vanessa Vakharia: Impossible.
• 33:08
  Vanessa Vakharia: It
• 33:09
  David E. Talbert: is possible
• 33:10
  Vanessa Vakharia: to you.
• 33:11
  David E. Talbert: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 33:13
  Vanessa Vakharia: Like you.