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Sean O'Connell Show - Full POD 6-15-26 · The Sean O'Connell Show

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  Speaker 1: Heaving Monday.
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  Speaker 2: Everybody, Welcome to the Sean O'Connell Shawn ESPN seven night
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  Speaker 2: in two one f M. Happy to be with you
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  Speaker 2: to talk some sports after an incredibly eventful weekend in
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  Speaker 2: the world of sport. Goodness gracious, there was a lot
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  Speaker 2: going on over these last two or three days. Stanley
• 0:44
  Speaker 2: Cup champion crowned, NBA champion crowned, one of the wildest, strangest,
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  Speaker 2: most peculiar sports spectacles we have ever seen, with a
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  Speaker 2: UFC fight on the White House lawn last night that
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  Speaker 2: also happened, and of course the backdrop for all of
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  Speaker 2: this is an epic celebration of sports culture. International competition,
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  Speaker 2: the World Cup, being hosted by eleven American cities North
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  Speaker 2: American World Cup. But we really know what this is about.
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  Speaker 2: It's about us say, us say, us say. And how
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  Speaker 2: about the US men's national team getting off to an
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  Speaker 2: absolutely blistering start in their World Cup run for to
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  Speaker 2: one victory over Paraguay. And there's a lot of people
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  Speaker 2: who try to do that, Oh, well, it's a it's Paraguay.
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  Speaker 1: It's just a Paraguay thing.
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  Speaker 2: Look, this is We talked with Carlos Mauricio Ramirez heading
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  Speaker 2: into the weekend.
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  Speaker 1: On Friday show, he had some serious concerns.
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  Speaker 2: A lot of people had serious concerns about this game,
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  Speaker 2: about that match, and this Paraguay team has some formidable
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  Speaker 2: things that you have to get past. Starting with the
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  Speaker 2: score in the seventh minute of the contest, team USA
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  Speaker 2: did what they needed to do, secured the points, puts
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  Speaker 2: themselves in a really interesting position for a group play
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  Speaker 2: and also in the same group Australia knocking off Turkey.
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  Speaker 2: You can for to get used to saying it that way.
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  Speaker 2: That's why you play the games. You don't just roll
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  Speaker 2: the ball out and say, whoever's more talented, whoever's favorite,
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  Speaker 2: is going to win this thing. Man, we got a
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  Speaker 2: lot to get to on the show today. We'll do
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  Speaker 2: our best to hit it all. Spencer warn the GOV
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  Speaker 2: is gonna bring us some World Cup insights in about
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  Speaker 2: half an hour.
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  Speaker 1: He's joining us at eleven thirty.
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  Speaker 2: On tar Heels to talk some cam boozer, to talk
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  Speaker 2: some upcoming NBA draft. Of course, we'll also talk about
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  Speaker 2: the championship attained by the New York Knicks in San Antonio.
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  Speaker 1: They closed it out on the road.
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  Speaker 2: We'll do that with Isaac Shade and then Tom Callahan
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  Speaker 2: to discuss Stanley Cup Final now being in the books.
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  Speaker 2: Carolina for the second time in franchise history is Stanley
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  Speaker 2: Cup champions and their head coach, Rob brinda Moore becomes
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  Speaker 2: one of I think it's seven players to win as
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  Speaker 2: head coach and as player.
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  Speaker 3: So it's an even more exclusive list, o se because
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  Speaker 3: he is the captain of He was the captain the
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  Speaker 3: Hurricane two thousand and six team. Yeah he so, Sean
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  Speaker 3: McDonough said as soon as the final buzzer sounded, he's
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  Speaker 3: only one of four former captains to win a Stanley
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  Speaker 3: Cupp as a player and head coach for same franchise.
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  Speaker 3: So it's even more exclusive when you when you look
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  Speaker 3: at who.
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  Speaker 1: The captains were of those Stanley Cup winning teams.
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  Speaker 2: And when it's and when it's for the same franchise, right, Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: because there's guys who have been players and coaches, played
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  Speaker 2: for one franchise, coach for another whatever.
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  Speaker 3: So cool story for Rod Brindemore and Carolina Hurricanes fans.
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  Speaker 2: And sorry, Mitch Marner, you're it seemed like almost no brainer.
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  Speaker 2: Run to the con Smyth to potentially the full realization
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  Speaker 2: of an ultimate redemption story. After tough days in Toronto,
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  Speaker 2: runs up against the Carolina Hurricanes team that closed it
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  Speaker 2: out on you three nothing in the final game. You
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  Speaker 2: go home without the Cup, You go home without the
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  Speaker 2: con smyth. Yeah, and people are gonna look at Mitch
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  Speaker 2: Marner's play in the Stanley Cup final series because he
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  Speaker 2: kind of faded, he disappeared.
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  Speaker 3: And I was gonna say, Carolina seemed to do to
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  Speaker 3: Vegas what Vegas did other teams in this postseason. Did
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  Speaker 3: you get that feeling to oc watching this where it
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  Speaker 3: was like, especially with the Mammoth and the Ducks series,
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  Speaker 3: for Vegas, it was like, Okay, you guys are in this,
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  Speaker 3: maybe you'll beat us, and then the last couple of
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  Speaker 3: games they shut the door on them.
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  Speaker 1: That's what That's what Carolina did to Vegas.
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  Speaker 3: Vegas finally got a little taste their own medicine in
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  Speaker 3: the in the Stanley Cup Final.
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  Speaker 2: I think the difference in those series and the way
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  Speaker 2: that Carolina did it. Carolina was, you know, they they
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  Speaker 2: were the more skilled and they were the faster team
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  Speaker 2: in the Stanley Cup Final. I think that what happened
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  Speaker 2: to the Ducks, what happened to the Mammoth, and weirdly,
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  Speaker 2: what even happened to the Avalanche against the Las Vegas
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  Speaker 2: Golden Knights was they just like they wore people down
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  Speaker 2: with the physicality, and they wore people down by not
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  Speaker 2: letting them get the puck out of their neutral zone,
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  Speaker 2: and they just they found a way to kind of
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  Speaker 2: bully their way to some of this, and they had depth,
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  Speaker 2: They had edible depth on that Vegas Golden Knights team
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  Speaker 2: and the Carolina Hurricanes, depending on which lens you look
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  Speaker 2: at it, there's some encouragement to be found, like, Okay,
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  Speaker 2: maybe if Carolina can win it by being a little
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  Speaker 2: bit more finesse centric and a little bit more speed
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  Speaker 2: and skills centric, which is counter to what a lot
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  Speaker 2: of the conversation around what playoff hockey is. Maybe you know,
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  Speaker 2: you don't have to overcompensate on bringing in size and
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  Speaker 2: bringing in physicality and bringing in these big bully bodies
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  Speaker 2: if you're the Utah Mammoth. I also don't think that
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  Speaker 2: there's any particular franchise outside of the building that this
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  Speaker 2: Utah Mammoth team is trying to model themselves after in
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  Speaker 2: order to build a Stanley Cup winning team. I think
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  Speaker 2: that what we have learned throughout is that there's a
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  Speaker 2: pretty sincere effort to commit to the vision that already
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  Speaker 2: exists with this Utah Mammoth team, the sort of eight
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  Speaker 2: year plan that Armstrong and Company had in Arizona and
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  Speaker 2: brought with them.
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  Speaker 1: To Salt Lake City.
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  Speaker 2: So I don't think that this Mammoth franchise is gonna
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  Speaker 2: be prisoners to any moment where it's just like, oh man,
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  Speaker 2: well look that you know this team did it this way,
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  Speaker 2: so we've got to try to copy that.
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  Speaker 1: There's been a vision.
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  Speaker 2: In that vision, I don't think is gonna sway much,
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  Speaker 2: especially given that the results are either on schedule or
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  Speaker 2: maybe slightly ahead of schedule, depending on who you talk
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  Speaker 2: to down there at the shops at Southtown, the practice
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  Speaker 2: facility down there, which by the way, we'll be hosting
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  Speaker 2: a Utah Jazz draft party, which is now less than
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  Speaker 2: two weeks away. We are running up on some more
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  Speaker 2: interesting sports things here in the state of Utah. If
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  Speaker 2: Banya versus Kabo and Spain versus Cape Verde zero zero,
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  Speaker 2: they just started the second half Obviously a lot of
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  Speaker 2: people thought that Spain would run away with this one
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  Speaker 2: relatively easily.
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  Speaker 1: So far it's allotted up both blank sheets.
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  Speaker 2: But La Minaml who we talked about, the nineteen year
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  Speaker 2: old megastar for Barcelona who is enjoying his anonymity in
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  Speaker 2: the United States. He was not on the field at all,
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  Speaker 2: not on the pitch, i should say, at all for
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  Speaker 2: Spain in the first half of this game. So if
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  Speaker 2: you're paying attention to the World Cup, something to note there.
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  Speaker 2: Eight seven seven three five three zero seven hundred. I
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  Speaker 2: want to know how your loyalties, your sports viewing loyalties
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  Speaker 2: were divided this weekend because there was the World Cup
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  Speaker 2: to watch, and there was NBA finals to watch, and
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  Speaker 2: there was Stanley Cup finals to watch, and last night
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  Speaker 2: there was the UFC event, which was I'm very curious
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  Speaker 2: to know what kind of rating that thing pulled. We
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  Speaker 2: talked a lot about the spectacle, the pageantry of the
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  Speaker 2: Netflix card, where the largest streaming platform in the world
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  Speaker 2: was hosting an MMA event for the very first time,
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  Speaker 2: and it became the most watched MMA event on record.
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  Speaker 1: This one last night on the White House Lawn no
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  Speaker 1: less was.
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  Speaker 2: You cannot even compare them, the level of fighting, the
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  Speaker 2: level of matchmaking. I wanted, I'll be honest as the
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  Speaker 2: PFL guy, I wanted for there to be some kind
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  Speaker 2: of like fumble at UFC on the White House lawn.
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  Speaker 2: I wanted there to be some kind of like, oh,
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  Speaker 2: this is terrible and embarrassing. There were a couple moments,
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  Speaker 2: a couple brief moments where you're like, Wow, I can't
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  Speaker 2: believe they're allowing that to happen. But the event itself,
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  Speaker 2: if you took it in as a sports event, as
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  Speaker 2: a competition, goodness, gracious, ended up being unbelievable, like glorious.
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  Speaker 2: Heading into the event, there was a lot of question
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  Speaker 2: about whether or not the matchmaking was going to make
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  Speaker 2: was going to make the United States of America look good,
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  Speaker 2: because American fighters were going up against really, really tough
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  Speaker 2: competition from other countries, and man, spoiler alert, the Americans
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  Speaker 2: came out just fine. We'll get to that on the
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  Speaker 2: show today. I want to keep the thoughts organized. The
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  Speaker 2: New York Knicks for the first time in fifty three
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  Speaker 2: years NBA champions.
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  Speaker 3: Are they really I didn't hear anything about that. They
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  Speaker 3: closed every one on the National in the National media.
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  Speaker 3: They closed it out on the road in San Antonio.
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  Speaker 3: And look, it's easy when we spend an entire season
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  Speaker 3: in awe and really it's been three seasons in awe
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  Speaker 3: of and worshiping at the altar of what Victor Wembinyama
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  Speaker 3: represents in what this young rock for the San Antonio
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  Speaker 3: Spurs represents. So a lot of conversation is about like
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  Speaker 3: what they did not do in this series and the shortcomings,
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  Speaker 3: and I'm guilty of that as well.
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  Speaker 1: Friday I was talking about it. Thursday, I was talking
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  Speaker 1: about it.
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  Speaker 2: But man, the more interesting story here, I think the
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  Speaker 2: more fair story here is focusing on what the New
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  Speaker 2: York Knicks did in this postseason. What a dominant run
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  Speaker 2: through the NBA playoffs. What an incredible example of team
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  Speaker 2: chemistry and players who just know their role and embrace
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  Speaker 2: that role, and guys who previously in their careers I'm
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  Speaker 2: thinking of, like a Karl Anthony Towns very easily could
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  Speaker 2: have been one of these guys. That's like, I need
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  Speaker 2: to be more ball dominant. I need to be somebody
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  Speaker 2: who gets more credit. I don't want to defer to
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  Speaker 2: Jalen Brunson. I don't want to defer to og Nanobi,
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  Speaker 2: who ended up being a much better player in this
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  Speaker 2: series than and Kat did a good job. You know,
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  Speaker 2: these guys, the Landry Shammits of the world, obviously have.
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  Speaker 1: To play that role.
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  Speaker 2: But what a what a beautiful thing for the New
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  Speaker 2: York Knicks, as this major market goliath team to play
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  Speaker 2: and act like they were all just a bunch of
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  Speaker 2: you know, pick up game cats that were like, hey,
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  Speaker 2: I'll do whatever is best for the team. It's we
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  Speaker 2: do this in professional sports, and we talk about how
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  Speaker 2: how much bigger and better it is for these guys
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  Speaker 2: to be in LA, to be in New York to
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  Speaker 2: be and when we do that, we put this superstar
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  Speaker 2: lens on them. And because of that, I almost expect
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  Speaker 2: superstar behavior, superstar attitude, superstar play. Well, we got to play,
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  Speaker 2: but there's no attitude, right. The chemistry of this team
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  Speaker 2: was incredible. Mike Brown knew exactly what he had with
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  Speaker 2: these guys, and hate him or not, and you probably
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  Speaker 2: do hate him, and you have probably have a good
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  Speaker 2: reason to Jimmy Dolan, of all people, he said back
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  Speaker 2: in November, this is this team's gonna win an NBA Chamchampionship,
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  Speaker 2: And he said an expectation that it was not completely unfounded.
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  Speaker 2: So congratulations to the New York Knicks. The city of
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  Speaker 2: New York thankfully didn't burn all the way down to
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  Speaker 2: the ground. There was plenty of tomfoolery, Shenanigan's minor rioting,
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  Speaker 2: property damage, et cetera.
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  Speaker 1: But there was also plenty of scenes of.
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  Speaker 2: Just like jubilants and celebration and a very kind of
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  Speaker 2: normal reaction. People filling the streets singing along Alicia Keys
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  Speaker 2: or it's Alicia Keys write the New York song.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, Yeah, like Welcome to New York.
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  Speaker 2: Thousands and thousands of people crowding into parks and squares
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  Speaker 2: and blocks, singing along to that, celebrating a weekend victory.
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  Speaker 2: The only thing that could have made it more epic,
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  Speaker 2: would have made it more poetic is if that had
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  Speaker 2: been a Game six close out at Addison Square Guard
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  Speaker 2: instead of doing it on the road. Plenty of Knicks
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  Speaker 2: fans did actually very budget conscious thing and flew to
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  Speaker 2: San Antonio to see a game instead. And you mentioned
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  Speaker 2: the amount of New York stand up comedians who probably
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  Speaker 2: live in Austin who just made much of our drive, right,
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  Speaker 2: bunch of them.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, So there was a strong presence of celebrity. Celebrity.
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  Speaker 1: Row was like half represented.
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  Speaker 3: Here's one thing, probably one good reason, probably that it
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  Speaker 3: was in San Antonio, not in New York.
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  Speaker 1: Charles Oakley was in attendance. That's good, you see that.
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  Speaker 1: Good for Charles Oakley.
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  Speaker 3: That's why he was with the other nineties Knicks, Patrick Ewing,
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  Speaker 3: John Starks, Alan Houston and whoever else hees that I'm
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  Speaker 3: not remembering right now, in attendance for this close out
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  Speaker 3: game for the Knicks winning their first title in over
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  Speaker 3: fifty years. By the way Jalen Brunson I said Thursday,
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  Speaker 3: Actually all week I was saying og should be fine
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  Speaker 3: O g Nnoby should be finals MVP, and that Game
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  Speaker 3: four should clinch it. Then Jalen Brunton had forty five
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  Speaker 3: points and it was the only one who could do
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  Speaker 3: anything offensively in a very low scoring, a tight game,
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  Speaker 3: well tight at the end game comeback, another comeback win
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  Speaker 3: for the Knicks, and I went, okay, you know what,
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  Speaker 3: forget everything I said about og nnoby all due respect,
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  Speaker 3: that one game gives Jalen Brunton the Finals MVP, and
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  Speaker 3: he had a good series, but that game surpassed everything.
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  Speaker 4: O G.
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  Speaker 1: Nnobe did. Even the og was incredible. And what og
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  Speaker 1: Nnobi gets is he gets a ring where he was active.
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  Speaker 2: O Jannoby gets a ring where he was a contributor,
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  Speaker 2: he was a big part of it. He gets he
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  Speaker 2: gets a ring that he actually earned. He has a
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  Speaker 2: ring he was like in the building, on the roster.
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  Speaker 2: He was on the roster, but he wasn't he wasn't
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  Speaker 2: playing for the Raptors. Yeah, so this and and look
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  Speaker 2: that still counts, right, Jordan Clarkson's ring with the Knicks
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  Speaker 2: still counts. He was not the impetus, He was not
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  Speaker 2: the driving force behind getting one.
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  Speaker 1: Clarkson Champion. Love and love to see that for Jordan Clarkson.
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  Speaker 2: You want to see these guys that are likable and
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  Speaker 2: kind of embrace whatever situation they're any.
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  Speaker 1: Absolutely sorry jazz.
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  Speaker 2: Man, But but O g Anobi now gets to wear
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  Speaker 2: his his New York Knicks ring with a lot different
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  Speaker 2: mentality than he gets to wear his Toronto Raptors ring.
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  Speaker 1: Right, absolutely, And that's it's a beautiful thing.
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  Speaker 2: And Jalen Brunson, for what he is and what he
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  Speaker 2: was for the Knicks, to me, he probably would have
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  Speaker 2: had to kind of disappear down the stretch to not
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  Speaker 2: be given Finals MVP, because you know, people are people
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  Speaker 2: are gonna be like.
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  Speaker 1: It's it's his team, and this is the star player.
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  Speaker 3: If they play even decently up to their standard, if
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  Speaker 3: even if it's a little bit below standard, typically gets
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  Speaker 3: that nod from the voters. And he I wouldn't even
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  Speaker 3: say it was below his standard. He just he was
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  Speaker 3: facing an incredible defense with the Spurs this series, and
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  Speaker 3: then Game five he went, We're winning this championship. Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: forty five points. First nick to score over forty points
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  Speaker 3: in a finals game.
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  Speaker 2: By the way, and a lot is going to be
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  Speaker 2: talked about this in an offseason when the real headlines
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  Speaker 2: wear off. It needs to be discussed as much as
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  Speaker 2: it's going to be. It needs to be examined and
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  Speaker 2: written about as much as it's going to be, and
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  Speaker 2: probably even more that Jalen Brunson did something that no
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  Speaker 2: other athletes do in the modern era, and he took
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  Speaker 2: a discount, especially a discount to play for New York.
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  Speaker 2: I remember when we were reporting on this, when we
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  Speaker 2: talked about this back in twenty twenty four, and it
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  Speaker 2: was like with kind of not disdain, but sort of
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  Speaker 2: like sort of a condescending way, like in order to
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  Speaker 2: make this worth it, you have to win a championship.
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  Speaker 2: Jalen Brunson left one hundred and thirteen million dollars on
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  Speaker 2: the table short of a MAX extension, and he did
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  Speaker 2: that because he wanted to stay in New York and
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  Speaker 2: he wanted there to be some flexibility to add pieces
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  Speaker 2: around him. And this, by the way, was at a
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  Speaker 2: time where plenty of us were questioning whether or not
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  Speaker 2: he was really the thing that you built around in.
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  Speaker 1: The first place.
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  Speaker 2: Like, Okay, it makes sense for Lebron James to sit
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  Speaker 2: down and declare, you're gonna have to build around me
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  Speaker 2: and only me, so I'm gonna make sure that you
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  Speaker 2: have some funds for that. It would make sense for
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  Speaker 2: Steph Curry to do something like that. You could make
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  Speaker 2: the case that even for like a Kyrie, you could
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  Speaker 2: make that. Jalen Brunson was not exactly the consensus pick
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  Speaker 2: on a guy that was going to be the superstar
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  Speaker 2: driving force behind a championship run. But he had that
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  Speaker 2: belief in himself and he said, I am going to
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  Speaker 2: leave some meat on the bone that you can then
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  Speaker 2: distribute to teammates. It's not dissimilar from what well, it
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  Speaker 2: is dissimilar in that we're talking about non hardcap league,
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  Speaker 2: luxury tax things like that. But he plays for an
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  Speaker 2: owner that he knows is not going to flirt with
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  Speaker 2: that too much.
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  Speaker 1: So he was like, all right, I'm.
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  Speaker 2: Gonna do what I can to surround myself with greatness
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  Speaker 2: so that I can actually win a championship.
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  Speaker 5: Here.
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  Speaker 2: Different coach at the time, different everything at the time,
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  Speaker 2: but he had this vision. One hundred billion dollars that
• 19:27
  Speaker 2: could end up in his bank account will not end
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  Speaker 2: up in his bank account in terms of NBA salary
• 19:32
  Speaker 2: because of a decision that he made as a professional
• 19:36
  Speaker 2: with a certain goal in mind, and he just achieved
• 19:39
  Speaker 2: that goal, and he did it in storybook poetic fashion,
• 19:44
  Speaker 2: and he's gonna get the credit he deserves for it.
• 19:48
  Speaker 2: It's gonna be examined by sports business insiders. It's going
• 19:52
  Speaker 2: to be examined at business schools. It's going to be
• 19:55
  Speaker 2: examined in leadership conferences. When you are willing to make
• 19:59
  Speaker 2: a personal sacrifice in order for the greater good of
• 20:02
  Speaker 2: an organization, even before you really have logical reason to
• 20:07
  Speaker 2: believe that it will pay off for you, that that
• 20:11
  Speaker 2: is something. The movie will be epic twenty years from
• 20:15
  Speaker 2: now when it debuts on Netflix Prime or whatever it's
• 20:18
  Speaker 2: called after the monopoly mergers.
• 20:22
  Speaker 3: YouTube Netflix Prime. Yeah, and he the thing that you
• 20:27
  Speaker 3: said at the end there the movie that we made,
• 20:29
  Speaker 3: it's made because it's the New York Knicks winning a
• 20:31
  Speaker 3: championship too, Like of course, like if if the Jazz
• 20:36
  Speaker 3: win a championship with this corps and they draft Darren
• 20:39
  Speaker 3: Peterson and he they do it seven years from now
• 20:42
  Speaker 3: and he's he's decided to take a pay cut on
• 20:45
  Speaker 3: his extension, I'm not making a movie about the Utah
• 20:48
  Speaker 3: Jazz doing that, but because because.
• 20:51
  Speaker 1: It's the New York Knicks.
• 20:52
  Speaker 3: But there'll be a thousand books written, but at least
• 20:55
  Speaker 3: one full feature length movie. It absolutely if they if
• 20:59
  Speaker 3: the Jazz did it before the Knicks did it, then
• 21:01
  Speaker 3: there would be. But now that the Knicks had done it,
• 21:05
  Speaker 3: it's like and and by the way, if you're if
• 21:07
  Speaker 3: you're an owner, if you're a GM now you can't
• 21:11
  Speaker 3: convince anybody else to do this.
• 21:13
  Speaker 1: You can't.
• 21:14
  Speaker 2: You can't go into a negotiating room and say, why
• 21:17
  Speaker 2: don't you do what Jalen Brunson did, Why don't you
• 21:19
  Speaker 2: leave us some meat on the bone here. For an
• 21:23
  Speaker 2: old veteran player, for a guy who's in his you know,
• 21:26
  Speaker 2: early to mid thirties, you might be able to take
• 21:29
  Speaker 2: that tactic.
• 21:30
  Speaker 1: Hey, look your windows closing.
• 21:33
  Speaker 2: Why don't we leave twenty million dollars off your contract
• 21:36
  Speaker 2: so we can go out, We can get a Michael
• 21:38
  Speaker 2: Bridges type player. Why don't we do that and see
• 21:41
  Speaker 2: what happens? Right, everyone else who's eligible for max extension,
• 21:45
  Speaker 2: it's like, yeah, we're giving you the max extension.
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: They it.
• 21:49
  Speaker 3: And the other thing that's at play here is there's
• 21:51
  Speaker 3: like union pressure to take every penny that they you,
• 21:57
  Speaker 3: So it's a it's.
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: A big deal.
• 21:59
  Speaker 2: Or when when players get a big payday, the guys
• 22:02
  Speaker 2: around them are typically not jealous of it. The guys
• 22:07
  Speaker 2: around them, well, they're not outwardly and verbally jealous with
• 22:10
  Speaker 2: the media about it because they know that the best
• 22:14
  Speaker 2: thing for all players, the rising tide lifts all boats. Right,
• 22:17
  Speaker 2: So if the level is set by what Victor Weinbinyama
• 22:20
  Speaker 2: is going to make one hundred million dollars a year,
• 22:23
  Speaker 2: that me, as the role player on the team, I'm
• 22:25
  Speaker 2: never going to make that one hundred million dollars. But
• 22:28
  Speaker 2: as the salary cap climbs and as these players justify
• 22:31
  Speaker 2: the salaries that they've got, now me, as a guy
• 22:35
  Speaker 2: who's given you eleven minutes off the bench, my nineteen
• 22:38
  Speaker 2: million dollar salary does not seem that crazy by comparison.
• 22:42
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's like you earn an extra twenty to thirty
• 22:45
  Speaker 3: million as the obscure role player when when the market
• 22:50
  Speaker 3: is completely reset and the record breaking deal is made.
• 22:53
  Speaker 3: So that that's the other thing that makes this significant.
• 22:56
  Speaker 3: And the thing I'll say about this is it's not
• 22:58
  Speaker 3: completely unprecedent in the NBA. Tim Duncan did it for years,
• 23:02
  Speaker 3: which is part of the reason why they had as
• 23:04
  Speaker 3: long of a dynasty as they had In San Antonio.
• 23:07
  Speaker 3: Dirt Novitzky followed Tim Duncan's lead in like so.
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: The twilight of his career as well.
• 23:15
  Speaker 2: So those are good points, and what I want to argue,
• 23:19
  Speaker 2: not even argue, but what I would point out is
• 23:21
  Speaker 2: that it made logical sense for Tim Duncan to do that,
• 23:25
  Speaker 2: right because he's in an organization that has championship credentials,
• 23:31
  Speaker 2: recent championship credentials.
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: He's playing for a championship all the time.
• 23:35
  Speaker 2: He's looking at his teammates and he's saying, well, we
• 23:39
  Speaker 2: already have we already have championship caliber guys. When Tim
• 23:44
  Speaker 2: Duncan was doing some of this, it wasn't necessarily about
• 23:48
  Speaker 2: player acquisition elsewhere. It was about making sure that you
• 23:51
  Speaker 2: didn't lose Monogenoble, you didn't lose Tony Parker.
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: You already had it.
• 23:56
  Speaker 2: And when you have that stuff, it's kind of like
• 23:58
  Speaker 2: when when Tom Brady and the Patriots were making their
• 24:01
  Speaker 2: sort of like, uh, their contract loopholes, when they were
• 24:06
  Speaker 2: figuring these like, oh, I'm gonna convert this to a
• 24:08
  Speaker 2: signing bonus. Because tom Brady's looking around and he's going like, well,
• 24:11
  Speaker 2: I've got one of the best coaches in the game,
• 24:13
  Speaker 2: I'm the best quarterback in the game, I've got the best.
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: Tight end in the game.
• 24:16
  Speaker 3: I've always got a top defense because of my great
• 24:19
  Speaker 3: defensive head coach.
• 24:20
  Speaker 2: And so what I'm gonna do here is I'm gonna like,
• 24:23
  Speaker 2: I'm gonna defer some of my salary to a bonus
• 24:26
  Speaker 2: or something like that, so Gronk doesn't go play for
• 24:29
  Speaker 2: the Arizona Cardinals. And that happened over and over again,
• 24:33
  Speaker 2: and Tom Brady was never the highest earning guy in
• 24:36
  Speaker 2: the league. That's one thing, and Jalen Brunson is never
• 24:38
  Speaker 2: going to be the highest earning guy in the league.
• 24:40
  Speaker 2: Right now, today, Jalen Brunson is probably the most respected
• 24:45
  Speaker 2: guy in the NBA because we're all prisoners of the moment.
• 24:47
  Speaker 2: Jalen Brunson is a guy that right now is basking
• 24:50
  Speaker 2: in this glory of you are the ultimate star, the
• 24:53
  Speaker 2: ultimate driving force, the ultimate teammate, You're the ultimate everything.
• 24:57
  Speaker 2: Right now, they're comparing him to Kobe right now, Jalen
• 25:01
  Speaker 2: Brunson is in Kobe Bryant. He's never gonna be Kobe Bryant.
• 25:04
  Speaker 2: He's drawing those comparisons right now because he was the
• 25:08
  Speaker 2: catalyst for the New York Knicks to do this, and
• 25:10
  Speaker 2: he was the catalyst for the New York Knicks to
• 25:12
  Speaker 2: do this all throughout the final series, all throughout the season.
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: But he was.
• 25:16
  Speaker 2: Actually the catalyst for the New York Knicks to do
• 25:19
  Speaker 2: this when he became a New York Nick and two
• 25:22
  Speaker 2: years ago when he signed an extension that he left
• 25:25
  Speaker 2: over one hundred million dollars on the table so that
• 25:29
  Speaker 2: they could go get Karl Anthony Towns. And that's where
• 25:32
  Speaker 2: it differs from Tim Duncan, and that's where it differs
• 25:34
  Speaker 2: from Dirk Nooviski, because he's a guy who's just like,
• 25:37
  Speaker 2: I believe this is going to work. I believe if
• 25:40
  Speaker 2: I do the right thing, it's gonna come back. What
• 25:43
  Speaker 2: he perceived to be the right thing. Plenty of other
• 25:45
  Speaker 2: players did not believe, did not believe that that was
• 25:52
  Speaker 2: the right thing for Jalen Brunson to do. Like the
• 25:55
  Speaker 2: group thread of all the NBA All Stars, I promise
• 25:58
  Speaker 2: you was just like what you.
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: Doing, idiot?
• 26:01
  Speaker 3: Yeah, because it's like I said, the union pressure is
• 26:04
  Speaker 3: it's always us against management, it's always us against the owners.
• 26:08
  Speaker 3: We can't afford to let them keep it a penny
• 26:12
  Speaker 3: that we should have.
• 26:13
  Speaker 2: And by the way, you're playing for Jimmy Dolan, who
• 26:17
  Speaker 2: is notoriously cheap and notoriously moronic. When it comes to
• 26:24
  Speaker 2: player ownership relations owner fan player triumvirate relations. That love
• 26:31
  Speaker 2: triangle has been dysfunctional for decades because because of Jimmy Dolan.
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: Right, So, the act of good faith, you had no
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: reason to act in good faith if you're Jalen Brunson.
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: If anyone else was gonna be like I could leave
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: like if you were playing for San Antonio and you're
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: just like, all right, one hundred million dollars, I could
• 26:55
  Speaker 1: leave one hundred million dollars on the table. If you're
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: playing for the Utah Jazz could leave a hundred million
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: dollars on the table. And I'm going to get a
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: good faith reassurance from the ages that they are going
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: to spend that money in order to support me. And
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: I can believe that.
• 27:10
  Speaker 2: Jalen Brunson in twenty twenty four had no reason to
• 27:13
  Speaker 2: believe that what he was leaving on the table was
• 27:16
  Speaker 2: going to be anything but more lining for Jimmy Dolan's
• 27:19
  Speaker 2: billionaire pockets. But he made the move because he believed
• 27:24
  Speaker 2: and that is something that should be talked about, should
• 27:27
  Speaker 2: be written about, should be celebrated, and it's going to be.
• 27:30
  Speaker 2: And I can't wait for this Ben Stiller documentary to
• 27:34
  Speaker 2: come out and for Jalen Brunson to do a last
• 27:39
  Speaker 2: Dance style sit down interview and tell the real truth
• 27:42
  Speaker 2: of what his thought process was back in twenty twenty
• 27:45
  Speaker 2: four when he made that decision, and the ultimate relief
• 27:48
  Speaker 2: and joy he must have felt in twenty twenty six
• 27:52
  Speaker 2: when that vision came to fruition when his belief that
• 27:56
  Speaker 2: it could work out for him actually happened.
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: What a story. Even if this was the Utah Jazz,
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: this would be such a Hollywood Cinderella notebook. What the heck?
• 28:10
  Speaker 2: How am I supposed to believe in this level of
• 28:12
  Speaker 2: romance in modern day sports?
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: But the fact that it's also the New York Knicks.
• 28:18
  Speaker 3: Wow, Yeah, I mean that guarantees that there's gonna be
• 28:22
  Speaker 3: a movie about it, in addition to the probable you know,
• 28:26
  Speaker 3: the rumored Ben Stiller documentary that he's been supposedly filming
• 28:31
  Speaker 3: from the sideline all playoffs a long. Yeah, it's an
• 28:35
  Speaker 3: incredible story. I'm annoyed at the obnoxious New York Knicks fans.
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: I can't.
• 28:43
  Speaker 3: I gotta be honest about that. I like this Knicks team,
• 28:46
  Speaker 3: despite the Knicks fan base I found myself, and despite
• 28:50
  Speaker 3: Jim Dolan, But but this was It's fun to see
• 28:55
  Speaker 3: a team like this who play in a big market,
• 28:58
  Speaker 3: the biggest market the market all in all of the world,
• 29:02
  Speaker 3: in all of our in the entire country, play like
• 29:05
  Speaker 3: plucky underdogs, play the way that the Jazz have needed
• 29:09
  Speaker 3: to play to be championship contenders, particularly in the nineties
• 29:13
  Speaker 3: when it comes to the Jazz.
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: And actually get it done like that.
• 29:17
  Speaker 3: That should give it should give you some hope if
• 29:20
  Speaker 3: you're a small market NBA fan, like here in Salt
• 29:23
  Speaker 3: Lake City, even though they have a significant.
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: Advantage because they've played in New York City. Uh.
• 29:30
  Speaker 3: But yeah, it's a it's a fun story. Happy for
• 29:34
  Speaker 3: the Knicks. The few Knicks fans I actually like and
• 29:36
  Speaker 3: san Antonio Spurs shout out to porter Larson.
• 29:39
  Speaker 1: Woof, Yeah, that's I mean, double digit lead in all five.
• 29:44
  Speaker 3: Games, sixteen point lead again in game five. I'm watching
• 29:48
  Speaker 3: it going if they blow this one, and they did,
• 29:52
  Speaker 3: Victor we Minyama incredible.
• 29:54
  Speaker 1: You are truly are an alien life form. But he
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: his body is.
• 30:02
  Speaker 2: Preternatural, is supernatural. It's out of this world. Turns out
• 30:07
  Speaker 2: that brain wise, he's very mortal. As a basketball player.
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: He wasn't.
• 30:12
  Speaker 3: Oh see, he wasn't ready for the moment, and the
• 30:15
  Speaker 3: team wasn't ready for the moment. And I saw that
• 30:19
  Speaker 3: immediately when he threw that pass to Jalen Brunson at
• 30:22
  Speaker 3: the end of Game two, when they had a chance
• 30:24
  Speaker 3: to take the lead, win the game where it or
• 30:26
  Speaker 3: at least make it go to overtime there if they're
• 30:29
  Speaker 3: not able to win. As soon as that, I went, oh,
• 30:33
  Speaker 3: this is where this young team and their young superstar
• 30:37
  Speaker 3: is not ready for the moment in these playoffs and
• 30:39
  Speaker 3: shocking because they've gotten so far before we saw anything.
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: We saw glimpses of it, glimpses of it in the
• 30:44
  Speaker 1: Oklahoma City series.
• 30:46
  Speaker 3: But the difference was the rebound. The difference was the
• 30:51
  Speaker 3: bounce back. There wasn't as many clutch mess ups in
• 30:55
  Speaker 3: that game. In that series either, there was a lot
• 30:57
  Speaker 3: of trading of blowouts. The first game was awfome some
• 31:00
  Speaker 3: the last game was awesome. In that series, there weren't
• 31:03
  Speaker 3: a lot of opportunities for him to make those kind
• 31:06
  Speaker 3: of mental mistakes in the clutch, and so that those
• 31:12
  Speaker 3: were glaring in this series.
• 31:14
  Speaker 2: And now here's the silver lining. If you're a San
• 31:17
  Speaker 2: Antonio fan, and here's the unfortunate thing. If you're a
• 31:20
  Speaker 2: Utah Jazz fan, it's very normal, it's very acceptable, predictable
• 31:28
  Speaker 2: for or a twenty one year old or a twenty
• 31:32
  Speaker 2: year old to make those kind of mistakes. It's very
• 31:35
  Speaker 2: normal for a second year head coach who's really kind
• 31:39
  Speaker 2: of a first year head coach to be making those
• 31:43
  Speaker 2: kind of mistakes or not ready for that moment. San
• 31:47
  Speaker 2: Antonio is going to be ready for that moment. Victor
• 31:49
  Speaker 2: Weminiam is gonna be ready for that moment probably next year,
• 31:53
  Speaker 2: maybe the year after, or we're going to have to
• 31:58
  Speaker 2: listen to Skip Bayless attached the non clutch gene to
• 32:03
  Speaker 2: Victor wibin Yama for the next decade. All right, I'm
• 32:08
  Speaker 2: over time here, I gotta take a break. We're gonna
• 32:10
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  Speaker 1: Welcome to the show. How are you, sir?
• 33:19
  Speaker 4: Very well man? How are you you know?
• 33:21
  Speaker 2: I am for the next couple of weeks. I am
• 33:24
  Speaker 2: a football, a soccer die hard. Much like the Olympics,
• 33:28
  Speaker 2: I become just completely enamored with it and then I'll
• 33:32
  Speaker 2: forget about it for four years.
• 33:33
  Speaker 1: But I love these I love what we're seeing so far.
• 33:38
  Speaker 2: And obviously that love is strengthened by the fact that
• 33:41
  Speaker 2: the US men's national team came out strong with four
• 33:44
  Speaker 2: to one victory over Paraguay. How should I be viewing that,
• 33:49
  Speaker 2: Spencer as the resident experts who actually knows what he
• 33:54
  Speaker 2: was watching?
• 33:56
  Speaker 1: Is that as strong of a win as it looked like?
• 33:59
  Speaker 6: Yeah?
• 34:00
  Speaker 4: Absolutely, I was really really impressed by them. I've been
• 34:03
  Speaker 4: impressed with the US over recent months and Mauricio Pochettino.
• 34:09
  Speaker 4: They just it was a bit of a rocky start
• 34:11
  Speaker 4: under his stewardship, but they've they've settled into a formation.
• 34:16
  Speaker 4: Everybody seems to know what their job and their energy
• 34:20
  Speaker 4: on Friday night against Paraguay was phenomenal or Thursday night, sorry,
• 34:25
  Speaker 4: was phenomenal and well deserved, very excited. It was really
• 34:29
  Speaker 4: important that the host nations got off to a good start,
• 34:34
  Speaker 4: I feel, to create the excitement, and both Mexico and
• 34:39
  Speaker 4: more so the US did that with a plumb and
• 34:44
  Speaker 4: so it's very very excited. It's been a really really
• 34:47
  Speaker 4: outstanding start to the tournament as well.
• 34:49
  Speaker 1: So all of us uninitiated were like, okay, that's a four.
• 34:54
  Speaker 1: One is a big win. But how good is Pedaguay
• 34:57
  Speaker 1: because they don't have the name RECOGNI of a Spain,
• 35:01
  Speaker 1: of France, of a Germany, of a Brazil or an Argentina.
• 35:04
  Speaker 1: But when we're setting the level, when we're checking the
• 35:07
  Speaker 1: level of Paraguay, as people have not watched Paraguay, where
• 35:11
  Speaker 1: do they belong in those conversations?
• 35:13
  Speaker 4: Well, I always felt like Paraguay would struggle to get
• 35:16
  Speaker 4: out of this group. I think Australia are much like
• 35:19
  Speaker 4: the US, incredible athletes and just work incredibly hard like
• 35:24
  Speaker 4: the US did. We already saw that and then we
• 35:27
  Speaker 4: saw Australia do that against Turkey, which was a surprise
• 35:32
  Speaker 4: for me because I thought Turke would be the ones
• 35:36
  Speaker 4: that would be top in the group. So yes, when
• 35:39
  Speaker 4: it comes to Paraguay, I always felt like they would
• 35:41
  Speaker 4: struggle to get out of the group. But it's the
• 35:43
  Speaker 4: World Cup. Anything can happen, and the US put down
• 35:47
  Speaker 4: the market. I felt like the pressure was on the
• 35:49
  Speaker 4: US to get off to a good start in front
• 35:52
  Speaker 4: of their own fans, in front of seventy thousand people,
• 35:55
  Speaker 4: you know, really just cheering, and you know, obviously it
• 35:58
  Speaker 4: was a home crowd, so the pressure was all on
• 36:01
  Speaker 4: the US, and I felt they dealt with it brilliantly.
• 36:05
  Speaker 4: And it only bodes well for the World Cup. When
• 36:08
  Speaker 4: the host nations do well, it creates an atmosphere, a
• 36:13
  Speaker 4: magic that the whole country can get behind, and for
• 36:18
  Speaker 4: the folks that are just like you watch it every
• 36:20
  Speaker 4: four years, it can leave a lasting impression, especially when
• 36:24
  Speaker 4: you're hosting it and doing such a good job in
• 36:26
  Speaker 4: hosting this wonderful tournament.
• 36:30
  Speaker 2: Malagan with his brace in the first game, and it gets,
• 36:34
  Speaker 2: you know, the spotlight shined on him. There's a lot
• 36:38
  Speaker 2: of that conversation is hey, you know he chose to
• 36:40
  Speaker 2: play for Team Usa he could have been with. I mean,
• 36:43
  Speaker 2: I think he was eligible to play for England, right,
• 36:46
  Speaker 2: He's also eligible to play for Nigeria. I don't know
• 36:49
  Speaker 2: how appealing Nigeria would be for as a you know,
• 36:52
  Speaker 2: as someone who's trying to compete in this World Cup.
• 36:55
  Speaker 2: I don't know what the the pros and cons are
• 36:58
  Speaker 2: of competing for Nigeria. But would he have been in
• 37:01
  Speaker 2: serious consideration for the England squad had he elected to
• 37:05
  Speaker 2: represent England.
• 37:07
  Speaker 4: Well, England actually struggle for number nine. Obviously, Harry Kane
• 37:11
  Speaker 4: is Harry Kane. He's a wonderful player. But after that,
• 37:15
  Speaker 4: I mean there's some good players. But he has certainly
• 37:17
  Speaker 4: been in the you know, been looked at, particularly because
• 37:21
  Speaker 4: he's playing is football in Europe as well already. Maybe
• 37:25
  Speaker 4: he would have got a move to England because he
• 37:27
  Speaker 4: chose to play for England. It might have been an
• 37:31
  Speaker 4: option to have a homegrown player, which is a thing
• 37:36
  Speaker 4: in Europe that you need. Well is everywhere, but they
• 37:39
  Speaker 4: are at a premium, especially ones with the perform on
• 37:43
  Speaker 4: the international stage. So yes, I think it might have
• 37:46
  Speaker 4: been on the outside looking in. I think his home
• 37:49
  Speaker 4: is definitely with the US and that's probably why he
• 37:52
  Speaker 4: chose that, and you're seeing the benefits of that. The
• 37:55
  Speaker 4: young players or the guys that are in their mid
• 37:57
  Speaker 4: to late twenties that have been around the squad for
• 38:01
  Speaker 4: a fair few years, they just look accustomed, especially to
• 38:04
  Speaker 4: this tournament.
• 38:07
  Speaker 2: The gov Spencer one our guests here talking to some
• 38:10
  Speaker 2: World Cup soccer here on the Sean O'Connell Show. These
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• 38:16
  Speaker 2: And look, I love picking the brain of soccer die
• 38:18
  Speaker 2: hards because you know, I get to learn. And I
• 38:21
  Speaker 2: watched that game and I saw the early scoring and
• 38:24
  Speaker 2: then I saw the rest of it, and I'm like, Okay,
• 38:26
  Speaker 2: I think that makes sense to me. I think I
• 38:29
  Speaker 2: know why that goal came to fruition, but it's just
• 38:33
  Speaker 2: I think it's not and I know. So, if I'm
• 38:36
  Speaker 2: asking you, what was it that the US men's national
• 38:40
  Speaker 2: team did against Paraguay that led to those four goals?
• 38:43
  Speaker 2: Did they set them up similarly? Did they was it
• 38:45
  Speaker 2: the ball movement? Was it the possession in their own zone?
• 38:48
  Speaker 2: What was it that allowed them to be so efficient
• 38:51
  Speaker 2: and so proficient with their scoring in a four to
• 38:54
  Speaker 2: one start to this World Cup.
• 38:56
  Speaker 4: Well, first and foremost, I think they feed off the crowds.
• 38:59
  Speaker 4: The noise that the fans created. It was really wonderful
• 39:03
  Speaker 4: to you know, kept turning the TV up so I
• 39:05
  Speaker 4: could hear everything. And I think they really feed off
• 39:07
  Speaker 4: of that. And I think Americans in general, you know,
• 39:10
  Speaker 4: to make a sweeping statement when they get the crowd
• 39:13
  Speaker 4: on site and they are die hard fans and well
• 39:16
  Speaker 4: educated at this point, you know, you feed off of
• 39:20
  Speaker 4: that energy. It was the energy of the players as well.
• 39:23
  Speaker 4: They moved the ball quickly, They were building purposely when
• 39:28
  Speaker 4: they had the ball, and when they were getting turnovers
• 39:31
  Speaker 4: deep in their own half, they were moving the ball
• 39:32
  Speaker 4: quickly forward, hitting Paraguay on the counter attack. And I
• 39:37
  Speaker 4: just felt like the defensive shape was very good and
• 39:40
  Speaker 4: gave the US a platform to build from, which was
• 39:44
  Speaker 4: really important. Able to break up play and let your
• 39:48
  Speaker 4: attacking players, your flair players do the business. And we
• 39:52
  Speaker 4: saw that were Christian Pulisik obviously goes off at halftime,
• 39:55
  Speaker 4: but the first forty five minutes that he played, it
• 39:58
  Speaker 4: was almost unplayable. They couldn't deal with his pace and
• 40:03
  Speaker 4: him being direct and then providing opportunities for his attacking corps,
• 40:09
  Speaker 4: which was it was just an awesome first forty five minutes.
• 40:11
  Speaker 4: That's where the damage was done.
• 40:14
  Speaker 2: Next up is the Australia team that you already mentioned,
• 40:17
  Speaker 2: also holding three points after they beat Turkey A. What's
• 40:21
  Speaker 2: that match going to look like for the US men's
• 40:23
  Speaker 2: national team.
• 40:25
  Speaker 4: It's going to be a physical battle. What they what
• 40:28
  Speaker 4: Australia lack in technical ability, they make up for in
• 40:31
  Speaker 4: fitness levels. Excuse me, They're going to be a real
• 40:37
  Speaker 4: tough and a different type of issue for the US.
• 40:42
  Speaker 4: They're probably gonna have to be a little bit more patient.
• 40:45
  Speaker 4: They're more than likely going to have the majority of
• 40:48
  Speaker 4: possession because under Pochettino he likes to have the ball,
• 40:54
  Speaker 4: but there's they are going to have to be patient.
• 40:56
  Speaker 4: It's going to be a real physical, bruising battle. As
• 40:59
  Speaker 4: we know the Aussies if you've ever watched their play
• 41:02
  Speaker 4: cricket or rugby, they are Yeah, they are competitors and
• 41:08
  Speaker 4: as I said, with the maybe less or lesser amount
• 41:13
  Speaker 4: of technical ability where a lot of their players are
• 41:17
  Speaker 4: still playing well, some of their players are still playing
• 41:19
  Speaker 4: in Australia and the US having the luxury of having
• 41:24
  Speaker 4: the majority of their squad playing in Europe, and around
• 41:28
  Speaker 4: the world. There's a little bit more, no how but
• 41:32
  Speaker 4: I'm excited for this matchup up in Seattle. It's a
• 41:35
  Speaker 4: good crowd, wonderful stadium, and again I think I have
• 41:40
  Speaker 4: to give props to all the nations that are hosting.
• 41:44
  Speaker 4: These stadiums look wonderful. And yes, maybe there's a couple
• 41:47
  Speaker 4: of empty seats here and there, but that's just you know,
• 41:50
  Speaker 4: me having a little dig at fee for there. With
• 41:53
  Speaker 4: the pricing and whatnot, that's been a wonderful occasion so far.
• 41:56
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I was going to ask you about that because obviously,
• 41:59
  Speaker 1: you know so far, when Team USA is playing is
• 42:02
  Speaker 1: going to be full and loud and crazy. But we
• 42:04
  Speaker 1: saw a couple of games where, you know, it seems
• 42:07
  Speaker 1: like the prohibitive pricing maybe emptied some seats that otherwise
• 42:12
  Speaker 1: would have been full, and that very much is a
• 42:14
  Speaker 1: FIFA thing. That very much is a pricing thing in
• 42:16
  Speaker 1: my opinion, and we talked about it in the run
• 42:19
  Speaker 1: up to this World Cup, how insane it is to
• 42:21
  Speaker 1: price your fans out of attendance at this ultimate celebration
• 42:25
  Speaker 1: of world sport.
• 42:27
  Speaker 2: I don't anticipate that FIFA will make any downward adjustments
• 42:31
  Speaker 2: in pricing, but is there a lesson to be learned
• 42:34
  Speaker 2: here by some of those empty seats.
• 42:38
  Speaker 4: Maybe a little bit, But again I'm not a huge
• 42:42
  Speaker 4: fan of the federation itself. I think it's become an apparent,
• 42:48
  Speaker 4: you know, more and more money driven. We've seen that
• 42:50
  Speaker 4: with the hydration breaks and the commercials. It feels like
• 42:54
  Speaker 4: it's a play, you especially with a lot of these
• 42:57
  Speaker 4: closed roof stadiums where they have to climate control, where
• 43:00
  Speaker 4: you don't need the hydration break.
• 43:03
  Speaker 7: I get it.
• 43:03
  Speaker 4: For the open air stadiums where it is hot and humid,
• 43:06
  Speaker 4: and especially my English lot, they're not used to that
• 43:10
  Speaker 4: that kind of heat. But at the same time, you know,
• 43:14
  Speaker 4: we've got a roll with it. I'm hoping that the
• 43:18
  Speaker 4: secondary market becomes a little bit more attainable for those
• 43:22
  Speaker 4: soccer fans that maybe want to catch a game here
• 43:25
  Speaker 4: and there and experience the World Cup vibe. We've seen
• 43:28
  Speaker 4: it in all the stadiums though, even though there's been
• 43:31
  Speaker 4: a few empty seats, how wonderful the fans have done
• 43:35
  Speaker 4: up and made it a real party atmosphere and all
• 43:37
  Speaker 4: the stadiums so far, and it's looked wonderful. I just
• 43:41
  Speaker 4: hope that it continues and we get some of those
• 43:43
  Speaker 4: empty seats filled up.
• 43:45
  Speaker 1: What other squads are what are the results? Have caught
• 43:48
  Speaker 1: your attention so far in the early play.
• 43:52
  Speaker 4: Well, I know this might not this will go against
• 43:54
  Speaker 4: the grain, because I know you Americans can't stand a tie,
• 43:57
  Speaker 4: but I was really I love the Brazil Morocco game,
• 44:02
  Speaker 4: and I loved the Netherlands and Japan game. I thought
• 44:05
  Speaker 4: those were two really excellent games that the teams took
• 44:08
  Speaker 4: a point each. But yeah, I think there's been so
• 44:12
  Speaker 4: much fun. And obviously we're looking at watching Kate Burdy
• 44:16
  Speaker 4: against Spain, holding them nil nil still with five minutes left,
• 44:19
  Speaker 4: more four minutes left in injury time. It's a great
• 44:22
  Speaker 4: story for Coroso yesterday getting the equalizer against Germany. I
• 44:26
  Speaker 4: know it went all wrong after then, but it was
• 44:30
  Speaker 4: a delight to watch these small nations and how much
• 44:34
  Speaker 4: it means to their fans, those small pocket fans that
• 44:37
  Speaker 4: are in the stadium and able to travel. I can
• 44:39
  Speaker 4: only imagine what it's like in their home countries watching
• 44:42
  Speaker 4: these guys do them proud.
• 44:44
  Speaker 2: Well, I think I think what we're seeing is happily
• 44:50
  Speaker 2: the US sports market kind of being swept up in
• 44:53
  Speaker 2: the excitement of this World Cup and I only anticipate
• 44:56
  Speaker 2: that building more if the US men's national team can
• 44:59
  Speaker 2: continue you with some good results.
• 45:01
  Speaker 1: So fingers crossed for that.
• 45:03
  Speaker 2: We're enjoying it so far and can't tell you how
• 45:05
  Speaker 2: much I appreciate you lending some perspective and informed perspective
• 45:09
  Speaker 2: for once on soccer on this show.
• 45:11
  Speaker 1: Thank you GOV.
• 45:13
  Speaker 4: Oh always a pleasure, guys that.
• 45:15
  Speaker 2: Spencer warned the GOV World Cup inside one of our
• 45:20
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• 45:32
  Speaker 2: right now under three minutes now remaining as it is.
• 45:38
  Speaker 1: Locked up zero zero nil nil.
• 45:39
  Speaker 2: As they like to say in the soccer world, there
• 45:42
  Speaker 2: will be some stoppage time after that, and they've been
• 45:46
  Speaker 2: long a lot of these World Cup games. It's been
• 45:48
  Speaker 2: like five and six minutes of stoppage time in every half.
• 45:51
  Speaker 2: So just missed, yeah, great chance.
• 45:54
  Speaker 3: Go ahead goal for Spaine and there great scoring chance,
• 45:57
  Speaker 3: just missed, well defended actually just over the top of
• 46:01
  Speaker 3: the of the goal there by the way, Cape Cape
• 46:03
  Speaker 3: Verd making you look good. You picked them to win
• 46:05
  Speaker 3: the group I told im, mean I had it happened
• 46:07
  Speaker 3: to be because I picked Spain, But.
• 46:09
  Speaker 1: You still you don't know that maybe I was gonna
• 46:12
  Speaker 1: pick him anyway. Yeah, shout out to the Cape Verdeans.
• 46:16
  Speaker 3: I'm feeling nervous because Spain's my team to win this group.
• 46:19
  Speaker 1: So obvious, But uh, Cape Verd.
• 46:24
  Speaker 2: Where do you think Cape Verd ranks population wise among
• 46:27
  Speaker 2: all the teams that are in the in the World Cup?
• 46:30
  Speaker 3: The short your cup population game? It are they second
• 46:36
  Speaker 3: to last? Who would be the smallest curas or something?
• 46:41
  Speaker 3: You're correct, curis, how is the smallest nation?
• 46:45
  Speaker 1: Well done, James, I was just being modest when I
• 46:47
  Speaker 1: said I don't know. I didn't know. Apparently I did know. Okay,
• 46:52
  Speaker 1: all right, great stuff from the GOV. Look, there's plenty
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  Speaker 2: To talk about, but we have got we have got
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  Speaker 2: to get into a little wildlife discussion, James. James and
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  Speaker 2: I we have we have a great working relationship. We
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  Speaker 2: have a good working friendship here. We've got a good
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  Speaker 2: friendship here. We leave each other alone for the most
• 47:14
  Speaker 2: part when we're not working because we talk so much
• 47:18
  Speaker 2: every day, right, I mean I talk to James more
• 47:21
  Speaker 2: than I talked to my wife, So we don't text
• 47:24
  Speaker 2: back and forth all that much.
• 47:26
  Speaker 1: We don't call each other all that much.
• 47:28
  Speaker 2: I got a very strange text message from James this
• 47:32
  Speaker 2: past weekend. I remember he took the Friday Show off
• 47:36
  Speaker 2: for a little deserved break, and I'm gonna let James
• 47:39
  Speaker 2: explain the content of his messages and what the heck
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  Speaker 2: was going on, because it was, it was odd, and
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  Speaker 2: to them, the mighty Spanish squad that a lot of
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  Speaker 2: people think is the odds on favorite to win this
• 50:22
  Speaker 2: World Cup, not able to get a goal in net
• 50:26
  Speaker 2: against Cape Verd. I mean, you don't have to brag
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  Speaker 2: about your your pick to win the group. I did
• 50:31
  Speaker 2: pick them to win the group. I fully expect they
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  Speaker 2: will now win the entire World Cup.
• 50:35
  Speaker 3: So I mean they're gonna have to They're gonna have
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  Speaker 3: to take down my Jordan squad.
• 50:41
  Speaker 1: That was your pick, all right, James set the stage.
• 50:46
  Speaker 2: You took Friday off, go enjoy some much needed summer
• 50:51
  Speaker 2: leisure time.
• 50:52
  Speaker 3: Okay, yeah, it was a bit of a it was.
• 50:56
  Speaker 3: It was a family reunion of sorts. My my brothers
• 51:00
  Speaker 3: and I. We have families now, of course, we don't
• 51:05
  Speaker 3: get to see each other a whole lot outside of
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  Speaker 3: like actual family unions and we decided, like we need
• 51:12
  Speaker 3: to just spend time up with us. We don't need
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  Speaker 3: our great uncles and that doesn't need to be the
• 51:19
  Speaker 3: only time that we spend time together, right, So we decided,
• 51:22
  Speaker 3: let's let's do let's go to Zion camp camp and
• 51:26
  Speaker 3: Zion National Park. We're all from obviously from Saint George,
• 51:30
  Speaker 3: so spent a lot of our childhood there camping, camping
• 51:34
  Speaker 3: a bunch there, so it was kind of coming home
• 51:37
  Speaker 3: there to to go u on this camping trip. So
• 51:39
  Speaker 3: that's where we were incredible, always always fun to be in,
• 51:44
  Speaker 3: you know, encompassed by that kind of beauty that you
• 51:47
  Speaker 3: that there is in Zion National Park of course, but
• 51:51
  Speaker 3: the story that you teased comes, I'm hanging out in
• 51:57
  Speaker 3: We bought three individual campsites that all next to each other,
• 52:00
  Speaker 3: so I'm hanging out in the middle one where kind
• 52:02
  Speaker 3: of the.
• 52:02
  Speaker 1: Headquarters are right okay for camping HQ. Yeah.
• 52:06
  Speaker 3: So I'm hanging out in the middle one with everybody,
• 52:09
  Speaker 3: and one of my nieces looks over and goes, Uncle James,
• 52:13
  Speaker 3: there's a deer in your tent, okay. And I look
• 52:17
  Speaker 3: over and it looked like from where I was, it
• 52:20
  Speaker 3: looked like I even said it like, I don't think
• 52:23
  Speaker 3: it's I don't think it's in my tent.
• 52:24
  Speaker 1: I think it's just to the side of it. There.
• 52:28
  Speaker 3: I get closer, this dough has her head poked inside
• 52:35
  Speaker 3: of my tent, just looking around, like what's this? What's
• 52:39
  Speaker 3: going on here? And so I'm the only thing I
• 52:42
  Speaker 3: can think of is let me get close to it
• 52:45
  Speaker 3: and try and kind of yell at it to go away,
• 52:47
  Speaker 3: because you know, we are all told that deer are
• 52:51
  Speaker 3: very skittish. They're just gonna run away if you get
• 52:54
  Speaker 3: close to him. Right, Oh, see this, this dough just
• 52:59
  Speaker 3: stay at me, did not move. I'm going I'm going, hey, hey,
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  Speaker 3: go go. It just stares at me, like, uh, what
• 53:07
  Speaker 3: are you doing here? Why do I have to listen
• 53:10
  Speaker 3: to you? So I'm at first I'm like a little
• 53:14
  Speaker 3: bit nervous, even though because I'm like, I don't know
• 53:17
  Speaker 3: what what's this animal going to do to me? They
• 53:19
  Speaker 3: don't have horns, right, so it couldn't hurt me that much.
• 53:22
  Speaker 3: But I'm like, what, like, is it gonna charge at me?
• 53:25
  Speaker 6: No?
• 53:25
  Speaker 3: Just it just sat there very nice. I had a
• 53:30
  Speaker 3: snack in my hand, like a kid snack that one
• 53:33
  Speaker 3: of my nieces or nephews handed to me. So I
• 53:37
  Speaker 3: was I happen to be eating this snack, and I
• 53:40
  Speaker 3: noticed this deer's like trained on my hand.
• 53:43
  Speaker 1: Where this bag of the snack that I'm eating? What
• 53:47
  Speaker 1: kind of snack we talk about this? It was a.
• 53:48
  Speaker 3: Scooby snack, you know, the little Graham crackers. Yeah, that's
• 53:52
  Speaker 3: obviously a favorite of the kids there. They're like, hey,
• 53:55
  Speaker 3: do you want a Scooby snack?
• 53:56
  Speaker 4: Like?
• 53:56
  Speaker 3: Absolutely, I love Graham crackers. So I'm eating this scoop,
• 53:59
  Speaker 3: this Gramer Scooby.
• 54:00
  Speaker 1: Snack, and.
• 54:03
  Speaker 3: I noticed this dough is staring at my hand. I'm like, oh,
• 54:07
  Speaker 3: I wonder if it'll follow me because it clearly wants
• 54:10
  Speaker 3: some of this. And I listen before anyone goes, you
• 54:14
  Speaker 3: didn't feed it, No, of course, I didn't feed the wildlife.
• 54:17
  Speaker 3: I know enough not to feed the wildlife. Right, I
• 54:19
  Speaker 3: didn't touch I didn't touch her.
• 54:21
  Speaker 2: Look, there's not a lot of there's not a lot
• 54:23
  Speaker 2: of wild in the behavior of this particular wildlife. True,
• 54:26
  Speaker 2: But like semi domesticated deer is what it sounds.
• 54:30
  Speaker 1: That's true.
• 54:30
  Speaker 3: There's there's signs everywhere at every national park you go,
• 54:34
  Speaker 3: state park, national park, you go to including Zion. They're like, don't,
• 54:37
  Speaker 3: don't feed in the animals. I know enough not to
• 54:39
  Speaker 3: do that, but I'm like, maybe I can use this
• 54:42
  Speaker 3: to get this deer out of my camp. Sure enough,
• 54:45
  Speaker 3: she followed me. I sent you a video of that
• 54:47
  Speaker 3: to oc uh. She just kind of very docile, very nicely,
• 54:53
  Speaker 3: just followed me away from camp as I walked her away.
• 54:57
  Speaker 3: But yeah, I I the text I sent you was
• 55:00
  Speaker 3: I see your silverback gorillas in Africa, and I raised
• 55:03
  Speaker 3: you a doe who poked her.
• 55:05
  Speaker 1: Head in my tent.
• 55:06
  Speaker 2: But you sent me like videos or pictures whatever that
• 55:10
  Speaker 2: your family had taken where it's like following your like James.
• 55:14
  Speaker 2: He left out the part where he was he was
• 55:17
  Speaker 2: the tralla lying like Cinderella.
• 55:19
  Speaker 3: He was singing like sleep Why she followed me? My
• 55:23
  Speaker 3: beautiful voice.
• 55:24
  Speaker 1: James, the Disney Prince. That's kind of what was very odd.
• 55:30
  Speaker 1: I was like, what's going on here?
• 55:32
  Speaker 2: I was James, I'm not gonna lie, Okay, I can
• 55:36
  Speaker 2: tell you this now, because nothing happened. I was anticipating
• 55:40
  Speaker 2: that at some point I was going to get like
• 55:43
  Speaker 2: the deer attacking you.
• 55:45
  Speaker 1: I told you.
• 55:47
  Speaker 3: For a split second, I'm like, well, this thing. Well,
• 55:49
  Speaker 3: this doe is staring at me. I'm like, is she
• 55:52
  Speaker 3: gonna attack me?
• 55:54
  Speaker 2: I kind of that would have been pretty awesome. Yeah,
• 55:56
  Speaker 2: she ended up hanging around. We're pretty sure it was
• 55:59
  Speaker 2: it was her. She end up hanging around our three
• 56:03
  Speaker 2: the area where three campsites were like the rest of
• 56:06
  Speaker 2: the night. Didn't get close in of our tents like
• 56:09
  Speaker 2: she hit the first time when when I approached her,
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  Speaker 2: but just hanging around eating the the plants that were
• 56:15
  Speaker 2: around our campsite for like the rest of the night.
• 56:20
  Speaker 2: But yeah, these deer, you're right, these deer in these
• 56:23
  Speaker 2: national parks, particularly Zion, around the campsites there, they're not
• 56:28
  Speaker 2: They're probably no longer wild animals. They're probably partially domesticated
• 56:32
  Speaker 2: because they just see humans all the time. Wild stuff.
• 56:38
  Speaker 2: All right, We got to get back to actual sports
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  Speaker 2: talk here. Isaac Shade's gonna join us next Lockdown college basketball.
• 56:46
  Speaker 2: We're running out of time for the pre draft process
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  Speaker 2: here in this upcoming NBA lottery where the Utah Jazz
• 56:53
  Speaker 2: hold the number two pick, We've got some news on
• 56:56
  Speaker 2: that front, and Isaac Shade will give us some insights
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  Speaker 2: on Aj Debonsa, Darren Peterson and especially on cam Boozer.
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  Speaker 2: It's a Sean O'Connell show on ESPN seven hundred and
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  Speaker 2: ninety twe FM.
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  Speaker 6: He's the Sean O'Connell Show. You were home of the
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  Speaker 6: best inside of your use. Let's get back to WOC
• 57:24
  Speaker 6: from the Murder Chevrolet studio called ESPN seven hundred and
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  Speaker 6: ninety two one f M.
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  Speaker 2: We are what eight days away from the NBA Draft,
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  Speaker 2: Utah holding on to the number two pick, and we
• 57:51
  Speaker 2: will be watching closely here on the Sean O'Connell Show
• 57:53
  Speaker 2: to all the rumors, all the innuendo, all the conversations
• 57:57
  Speaker 2: about who goes where. Isaac Shade has been paying attention
• 58:02
  Speaker 2: to a lot of these guys that will be hearing
• 58:05
  Speaker 2: their names called in the upcoming NBA Draft lottery throughout.
• 58:09
  Speaker 1: Their entire college careers.
• 58:10
  Speaker 2: He's the host of Locked on College Basketball and Locked
• 58:13
  Speaker 2: on Tar Heels, so he's got an up close to
• 58:16
  Speaker 2: personal look at cam Boozer, especially right down the road
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  Speaker 2: and Isaac Shade kind of have to give us a
• 58:21
  Speaker 2: few minutes today.
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  Speaker 1: Isaac, welcome to the show.
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  Speaker 8: How are you, Oh, Sean, I'm doing great. I feel
• 58:26
  Speaker 8: like we're in a great sports moment right now we
• 58:29
  Speaker 8: got the College World Series, NBA Finals, World Up, NHL Playoff,
• 58:33
  Speaker 8: Like it's been electric.
• 58:34
  Speaker 1: Man, it has really been cool.
• 58:36
  Speaker 2: You're a basketball guy, so let me just ask you
• 58:39
  Speaker 2: your broad strokes reaction to the New York Knicks getting
• 58:43
  Speaker 2: it done, closing out in San Antonio and making it
• 58:47
  Speaker 2: a five game win for New York first in fifty
• 58:51
  Speaker 2: three years.
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  Speaker 8: My broadstroke reaction is more on the Spurs side, where
• 58:55
  Speaker 8: it's like they got to be kicking themselves.
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  Speaker 4: Man.
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  Speaker 8: They had a double digit lead in every game the lock. Yeah,
• 59:02
  Speaker 8: you know, it's like they just it's a crazily talented team,
• 59:05
  Speaker 8: but they're young, and I just think they weren't ready
• 59:08
  Speaker 8: for that moment. And and the Knicks maybe not quite
• 59:11
  Speaker 8: as talented, but the sum was greater than the parts.
• 59:14
  Speaker 8: And I also love what it says for college basketball
• 59:18
  Speaker 8: to see Jalen Brunson, who was phenomenal, you know, in
• 59:22
  Speaker 8: my realm of college basketball, was overlooked thirty third overall pick.
• 59:26
  Speaker 8: And I think it helps as we're about to talk
• 59:28
  Speaker 8: draft stuff, you think about somebody like Darius Acuff, another
• 59:32
  Speaker 8: kind of undersized offensive juggernaut. I think that helps him
• 59:36
  Speaker 8: long term as NBA front offices look at his projections.
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  Speaker 2: Well, that is part of the question and the thought
• 59:43
  Speaker 2: process that I wanted to get into here. You know,
• 59:46
  Speaker 2: I'm a prisoner of the moment as a sports talk
• 59:48
  Speaker 2: radio host. I'm constantly overreacting to everything I see, like, oh,
• 59:53
  Speaker 2: you know, if the Spurs had one, I'd be like,
• 59:54
  Speaker 2: just hold out until there's another seven foot five alien
• 59:57
  Speaker 2: and that's who you need to get, right. But the
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  Speaker 2: NFL is a big time copycat league. The NBA, to
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 2: some extent is a copycat league. How much influence is
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 2: what the Knicks just accomplished with who they accomplished with.
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  Speaker 2: How much influence is that going to have on personnel
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 2: decisions across the league? And I'm not talking about, well,
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 2: you're not going to draft aj Debonsa anymore when you
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 2: have the number one pick because of what you saw
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 2: Brunson do. But a little bit further down the draft
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  Speaker 2: and like you said, you know, maybe you give these
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 2: undersized guys a little bit more of a shot, et cetera.
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  Speaker 2: How much influence is this Knicks win going to have
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 2: on the league itself.
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  Speaker 8: I like your point about both NFL and NBA and
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 8: the copycat because everybody's trying to figure out what do
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 8: we do. I'd even go into MLB when we hit
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 8: the moneyball there and everybody's like, oh, we got we
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 8: gotta pay attention to on base percentage, you know, and
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 8: so there's all of that. Sean, Yeah, absolutely. I think
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 8: another guy it might help is somebody like Stanford Zubuca
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 8: o'core who's undersized and and a lot of people might
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 8: not have seen him as much much because he was
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 8: at Stanford and they weren't great, but the dude is
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 8: so so good. Or maybe even somebody further down the
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 8: draft like a Braden Smith who's an undersized guard but
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 8: the NCAAA all time leading assist man who's kind of
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 8: tripled doubly every time he played for Matt Painter and
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 8: the boiler Makers. I think it helps them. But interestingly, Sean,
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  Speaker 8: despite the Spurs not winning, I think to your point
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  Speaker 8: about finding another seven to five alien, I think that's
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  Speaker 8: more the issue here that NBA front officers are still
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 8: looking at is while the Spurs didn't win, like, that's
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 8: what we got to figure out, game in and game out,
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  Speaker 8: how on earth do we contend with this dude who's
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 8: only going to continue to grow and get better. And
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  Speaker 8: so I honestly, despite Brunson and the Knicks doing what
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  Speaker 8: they did, I mean it's it's we could easily flip this,
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  Speaker 8: as you said, and be talking about the Spurs winning
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  Speaker 8: had they held those leads, had Wenby not thrown that
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 8: pass into Steph caseles back earlier in the series. And
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  Speaker 8: so I truly think Wemby is the bigger X factor
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  Speaker 8: that that front offices are going to have to think about.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, So against that backdrop right we have I'm not
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 1: paying as close attentions as maybe you are, but I
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 1: don't recall having seen an obvious like seven foot plus
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  Speaker 1: freak athlete, ball handler, shooter, et cetera.
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  Speaker 2: In this particular draft class. And we talk about this
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  Speaker 2: draft class very favorably. This is one that goes deep.
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  Speaker 2: This is one where there's maybe a half dozen players
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  Speaker 2: that are going to be NBA All Stars, and there's
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 2: at least three or four that are being talked about
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  Speaker 2: as potential franchise changers for whomever picks them up, but
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 2: none of them are Wemby. So what would you look
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 2: at this group? And it's the usual suspects. It's AJ,
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 2: it's Darren Peterson. It is the aforementioned cam boozer. Do
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 2: any of those guys make you, for lack of a
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  Speaker 2: better term, a a closer contender to what the Spurs
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 2: already have.
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  Speaker 8: Well, let's go back to the mid teen shot. This
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 8: is where my brain goes with it. The antithesis or
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 8: the answer to some of the way the NBA was
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 8: going in the early teens was, oh, here comes Steph
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 8: Curry all of a sudden, just changing how we think
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 8: about basketball with the three point revolution. And as we
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 8: well know, that shot is a great equalizer for the length.
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 8: And obviously Wendy can step out and do that himself.
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  Speaker 8: But I just mean, like, there's always these these punches
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  Speaker 8: and counter punches and moves, and so while none of
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  Speaker 8: them because you're exactly right, and no, there's nobody that
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  Speaker 8: you've overlooked. It's like, do we have wenby two point zero?
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  Speaker 6: No?
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  Speaker 8: But can we can other franchises zig while the Spurs
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 8: are zagging? And I think the Spurs are set up
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  Speaker 8: in a great shape to they and the thunder probably
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 8: oversee the West for a while. But if you're the
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  Speaker 8: Jazz and you get Darren Peterson here, assuming health and
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 8: everything's good to go, like, is he somebody with everything
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  Speaker 8: he can do as a big lead guard that can
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  Speaker 8: get into a big guy like Wemby and take his
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  Speaker 8: strength away from him, because what do you do against
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 8: a big shot blocker. You don't let him get extended?
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  Speaker 8: And so can a guy like DP do that? And
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  Speaker 8: so I think that's what you try to do, is
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  Speaker 8: not to say can we find some lesser version of
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  Speaker 8: Wemby and say can we find some best version of
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  Speaker 8: another NBA prototype position player? And I think a Peterson
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  Speaker 8: is that. I think AJ has a lot of capability
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  Speaker 8: and so yeah, I think there are ways to go
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  Speaker 8: about it.
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  Speaker 2: How much should we be reacting to the news that
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 2: Darren Peterson is not going to work out for the
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 2: Utah Jazz in this pre draft process?
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  Speaker 8: It feels odd to me. Right, we've seen players, agents,
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 8: families try to force their hands at times of Hey,
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 8: I'm not going to come work out for you and
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 8: so you won't draft me. Well guess what, buddy, this
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 8: this isn't college and you don't get to choose it anymore.
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  Speaker 8: If I'm the Jazz and he's the dude, I want like,
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 8: sorry about you. You're gonna come play for us and
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 8: you're going to be a dude. But like, it ain't nothing,
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 8: you know what I'm saying. Like we saw when when
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 8: Eli Manning went to college, we or excuse me, we
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 8: went to the NFL. We saw that kind of orchestrated
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 8: It's it's things like that, and with some of the
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 8: way it's just if Darren Peterson had had a normal
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 8: college freshman year, I wouldn't think as much of it.
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  Speaker 8: But there's just been enough question marks that it causes
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  Speaker 8: me to raise my eyebrows.
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  Speaker 7: You know what I mean.
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  Speaker 2: I know exactly what you mean. And look, I've grown
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  Speaker 2: up in this sports market. I live here in Salt
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 2: Lake City, and we have right or wrong. We have
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 2: this sort of like self conscious nature about NBA players
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 2: in particular, and to be honest, black NBA players more particularly,
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 2: do you want to be in Salt Lake City?
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  Speaker 1: Right?
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  Speaker 2: There was all this smoke and turned out not to
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 2: be any fire with the Ace Bailey stuff last year
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 2: where it was like, oh, he doesn't want to be here,
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 2: he's not interested in playing for the Utah Jazz. He
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 2: only wants to be and he ended up being great
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 2: and being a great fit for the franchise and seems
• 1:06:13
  Speaker 2: to like the community well enough, etc. And in this
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 2: draft especially, you've got Darren Peterson is one of these
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 2: top three prospects. The other two have very obvious ties
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 2: to the state of Utah, and he is kind of
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 2: the lone wolf that had, as you mentioned, kind of
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 2: a complicated year at Kansas where Cam Boozer didn't. Aj
• 1:06:35
  Speaker 2: Debonsa did not at Byu. Boozer's dad obviously works for
• 1:06:39
  Speaker 2: the Jazz front office. Cam was born here in Utah,
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 2: though he doesn't have like childhood memories of being in Utah,
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 2: and obviously Aj Debonza like that story has been written
• 1:06:48
  Speaker 2: and told a thousand times. So I have been talking
• 1:06:51
  Speaker 2: about this for weeks now, Isaac, where I'm like, well,
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 2: hold on, if it's all talent and you don't have
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 2: to worry about anything else, sure, then you go for
• 1:06:59
  Speaker 2: the guy at number two that is best available. But
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 2: in today's NBA, and what with the Jazz have experienced
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 2: already with some of the top players they've ever had
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 2: as a franchise, do you have to consider how much
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 2: this guy wants to be here? Do you have to consider, well,
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 2: we're really gonna have to win him over. He might
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 2: not like it. He might want to be somewhere else.
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 2: He might try to force himself into a different situation.
• 1:07:22
  Speaker 2: We don't want to be involved in some kind of
• 1:07:24
  Speaker 2: soap opera right when we're rounding out of tanking form. Like, so,
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 2: I've been speculating on this, and I want your perspective.
• 1:07:32
  Speaker 2: If you're in that Utah Jazz front office, if you're
• 1:07:35
  Speaker 2: Austin Ange, should you say, all right, Well, we think
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 2: Darren Peterson is more talented, but cam Boozer is the
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 2: personality type and the fit that we want here because
• 1:07:47
  Speaker 2: his dad works for us, He's got some perspective on
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 2: this place. Or we might have to move up to
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 2: get Aja de Bonsa for the same reason. How do
• 1:07:55
  Speaker 2: you react if you're in that jazz front office.
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  Speaker 8: It is funny that you've got Peterson's sandwiched in between
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 8: these two guys. That's on paper make a lot more
• 1:08:03
  Speaker 8: sense in Salt Lake City, you know what I mean?
• 1:08:05
  Speaker 8: With aj Ahead who was there for high school, who
• 1:08:09
  Speaker 8: was there at BYU last year, with Carlos being connected
• 1:08:13
  Speaker 8: to the jazz, like, either of those make a ton
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 8: more sense. Obviously, if my memory's correct from last year.
• 1:08:18
  Speaker 8: Ace Bailey never visited and worked out correct, Am I
• 1:08:21
  Speaker 8: remember that correctly?
• 1:08:22
  Speaker 1: I believe that's correct.
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 8: Yeah, And so there is precedent of Austin Ings doing that.
• 1:08:27
  Speaker 8: But do you want to pull that trigger two years
• 1:08:29
  Speaker 8: in a row or are you tempting fates there? So
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 8: I think you're certainly onto something you mentioned earlier that
• 1:08:35
  Speaker 8: in addition to locked on college basketball, I also covered
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 8: the Tar Heels. So let me give an example of
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 8: Caleb Wilson. And I'm not suggesting the Jazz should take
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 8: him at two instead of Chicago at four, but I
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 8: just mean to say he's a kid who loves life
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 8: and basketball and is a face of the franchise, face
• 1:08:52
  Speaker 8: of the franchise type dude, because he just his temperament,
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 8: his personality is there. And I just say that to
• 1:08:58
  Speaker 8: contrast him with Aaron Peterson, where if you have those
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 8: questions and you're going big, big certainty at number two, here,
• 1:09:08
  Speaker 8: I gotta say there's a much higher floor with Cam Boozer,
• 1:09:13
  Speaker 8: much higher floor with aj Debontsa than there would be
• 1:09:17
  Speaker 8: in my opinion with DP because of the potential issues
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 8: with all these various things that we've just talked about,
• 1:09:25
  Speaker 8: and when it comes to a KM Boozer, Like, if
• 1:09:28
  Speaker 8: you want to pick him third, excuse me, second to
• 1:09:30
  Speaker 8: the Jazz instead of Peterson. I'm not gonna fault you
• 1:09:34
  Speaker 8: in the least because all that young man has done
• 1:09:37
  Speaker 8: everywhere he's been has won state high school basketball championships,
• 1:09:41
  Speaker 8: Peach jam eyb L championships with the night Riders, which
• 1:09:44
  Speaker 8: is funny when he was teammates with Caleb Wilson on
• 1:09:48
  Speaker 8: that squad. I know that Duke didn't win the national
• 1:09:51
  Speaker 8: championship last year, but my goodness, they're a freak miracle
• 1:09:56
  Speaker 8: shot in the elite from making the final four and
• 1:09:58
  Speaker 8: then who knows what happens. He's the National Player of
• 1:10:01
  Speaker 8: the year. The pedigree of being Carlos Boozer's son. He
• 1:10:06
  Speaker 8: knows basketball inside and out. And I know that the
• 1:10:10
  Speaker 8: athletics and some of that, and I don't mean the a's,
• 1:10:13
  Speaker 8: I mean his athleticism doesn't just like jump off the
• 1:10:16
  Speaker 8: page at you like these other guys in the top four.
• 1:10:20
  Speaker 8: But but how could you not as a basketball person
• 1:10:23
  Speaker 8: just look at the tape, look at what Kamboozer does
• 1:10:26
  Speaker 8: again and again and again and think, man, how could
• 1:10:29
  Speaker 8: he miss in the NBA?
• 1:10:33
  Speaker 2: Well, that is I'm glad you brought up the athleticism thing.
• 1:10:35
  Speaker 2: We saw some tape of him at the Combine where.
• 1:10:37
  Speaker 1: People are like, oh geez, what he doesn't doesn't exactly
• 1:10:41
  Speaker 1: look all that quick footed here, He's just he's big.
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 1: He's like a big kid, you know, Like today's NBA
• 1:10:47
  Speaker 1: when we're talking about perimeter defenders and we're talking about
• 1:10:50
  Speaker 1: guys who have to be versatile in that and knowing
• 1:10:53
  Speaker 1: what the Utah Jazz have already, which you do. Like,
• 1:10:56
  Speaker 1: there's also that question positional fit is a a big
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 1: thing here. Who are you if you're gonna keep loading
• 1:11:03
  Speaker 1: up guys that could be front court players?
• 1:11:05
  Speaker 2: What kind of other moves do you have to make?
• 1:11:08
  Speaker 2: Is Cam Boozer somebody that at the NBA level, with
• 1:11:12
  Speaker 2: his body type, with his athleticism, with his foot speed,
• 1:11:16
  Speaker 2: that you could be you could envision being someone who's
• 1:11:19
  Speaker 2: versatile enough to defend two guards on a regular basis.
• 1:11:25
  Speaker 8: He did have to do a lot of switching. He's not.
• 1:11:29
  Speaker 8: I mean, it's funny we made all that about his
• 1:11:31
  Speaker 8: athleticism and we saw some of his testing numbers at
• 1:11:36
  Speaker 8: the combine. Be right there with the Caleb Wilson, who's
• 1:11:39
  Speaker 8: viewed as a higher level athlete than is Cam. And
• 1:11:44
  Speaker 8: he you know, Sean, what's funny about Cam is even
• 1:11:47
  Speaker 8: where the athleticism falls apart a little bit, he's got
• 1:11:50
  Speaker 8: some of that like y MCA Wiley, crafty veteran vibe
• 1:11:55
  Speaker 8: where I'm gonna trust him to do enough to make
• 1:11:58
  Speaker 8: those switches and not get played off the court in
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 8: those kind of moments. And I mean, yes, you do
• 1:12:03
  Speaker 8: have to consider positional fit, but at the I always
• 1:12:08
  Speaker 8: go back and forth top end of the draft. Here
• 1:12:10
  Speaker 8: it's dude, I don't care about positional fit. I just
• 1:12:13
  Speaker 8: want the dude that could be a top fifty all
• 1:12:15
  Speaker 8: time NBA player. If you think that's there, you just
• 1:12:17
  Speaker 8: don't even think about it and you go get him
• 1:12:20
  Speaker 8: and let the pieces fall where they may. But when
• 1:12:23
  Speaker 8: you've got these three four guys at the top in debonsa, Peterson, Boozer,
• 1:12:28
  Speaker 8: and Wilson, if you feel pretty as a front office,
• 1:12:31
  Speaker 8: if you feel pretty similar about all of them, then
• 1:12:34
  Speaker 8: there are positional fit questions. And at that point you
• 1:12:37
  Speaker 8: do say, what is our greatest need here, if all
• 1:12:39
  Speaker 8: things being equal, amongst these four guys, what do we
• 1:12:43
  Speaker 8: need as an organization? And then you go after that.
• 1:12:46
  Speaker 8: But I just feel like, like I'm always I get
• 1:12:51
  Speaker 8: that numbers at the combine have to matter from a
• 1:12:54
  Speaker 8: measurement standpoint and a testing standpoint, But I always hate
• 1:12:57
  Speaker 8: at both the NFL combine and the NBA combine and
• 1:13:00
  Speaker 8: when we let the numbers overshadow all of the tape
• 1:13:05
  Speaker 8: and all of the footage and all of the winning
• 1:13:08
  Speaker 8: and everything we always see. And yes, do's have to
• 1:13:09
  Speaker 8: balance each other out, but I don't want to let
• 1:13:13
  Speaker 8: what happened at the combine, which isn't wildly negative, overshadow
• 1:13:19
  Speaker 8: what I've seen from Cambooser for years now.
• 1:13:23
  Speaker 2: Isaac Shade for another couple of minutes here on the
• 1:13:25
  Speaker 2: Sean O'Connell Show, talking a little bit about all of
• 1:13:28
  Speaker 2: these prospects at the top of the upcoming NBA draft.
• 1:13:32
  Speaker 2: What you've seen of aj Debonsa, what we've all seen
• 1:13:35
  Speaker 2: of Darren Peterson and that does include some question marks,
• 1:13:40
  Speaker 2: and what you've seen of Cam Boozer. Is any of
• 1:13:43
  Speaker 2: these guys worth trying to chase number one and trading
• 1:13:47
  Speaker 2: away future assets or trading away an important player now
• 1:13:51
  Speaker 2: to try to ensure that you can move from two
• 1:13:54
  Speaker 2: as the Utah Jazz to get up to one or
• 1:13:57
  Speaker 2: maybe you know some team further down the line. Given
• 1:14:01
  Speaker 2: how deep this draft class seems to be, is it
• 1:14:03
  Speaker 2: gonna be worth it for someone at six, seven or
• 1:14:06
  Speaker 2: eight to jump up into the top three to grab
• 1:14:08
  Speaker 2: one of these guys.
• 1:14:11
  Speaker 8: I could see it going both way, Sean, And that's
• 1:14:12
  Speaker 8: what's interesting and what I kind of love about the
• 1:14:15
  Speaker 8: what I would call the sections of this draft, because
• 1:14:18
  Speaker 8: I feel like being at two for the Jazz, like
• 1:14:20
  Speaker 8: if you just go straight up and don't trade any picks.
• 1:14:23
  Speaker 8: If you're at two, you just take de Bonsa or Peterson,
• 1:14:26
  Speaker 8: whoever's left. If you're the Bulls at four, you just
• 1:14:29
  Speaker 8: take whoever's left amongst those big four. And then five
• 1:14:32
  Speaker 8: through nine, we have this whole run of these five
• 1:14:35
  Speaker 8: guards that is really intriguing to me, where I think
• 1:14:39
  Speaker 8: each of them have unique things that excite.
• 1:14:42
  Speaker 5: Me a lot.
• 1:14:42
  Speaker 8: Whether it's Woggler, whether it's Darius Aka from mikel Brown,
• 1:14:46
  Speaker 8: Kingston Flemings, Braden Burry's from Arizona. I like all of
• 1:14:50
  Speaker 8: those guys, And so there's a world in which I
• 1:14:52
  Speaker 8: could see, if you're the Jazz saying, if we're gonna
• 1:14:55
  Speaker 8: spend all this money on a top two pick, certainly
• 1:14:59
  Speaker 8: AJ Bona has the higher floor than the question marks
• 1:15:03
  Speaker 8: of Darren Peterson. As a general manager, you're always trying
• 1:15:07
  Speaker 8: to say, like, I don't want to be the laughing
• 1:15:09
  Speaker 8: stock of the NBA if I get this wrong. So
• 1:15:11
  Speaker 8: there's all that. So there is a world in which
• 1:15:13
  Speaker 8: you might trade back for one of those guards to
• 1:15:15
  Speaker 8: maybe try to pair with Keante or something of that nature,
• 1:15:19
  Speaker 8: and especially if the right package is there and you
• 1:15:21
  Speaker 8: get a stockpile of assets from trading back. But again,
• 1:15:25
  Speaker 8: as we talked about earlier, with all the connections to
• 1:15:28
  Speaker 8: Utah and Salt Lake City, with Aj, if you feel
• 1:15:31
  Speaker 8: so much more strongly about him than the question marks
• 1:15:35
  Speaker 8: of Darren Peterson, it's hard to think about not trying
• 1:15:40
  Speaker 8: to put together a package to trade up for him.
• 1:15:44
  Speaker 8: And you know, given the question marks with Darren Peterson,
• 1:15:50
  Speaker 8: I would rather maybe pass on him and look silly
• 1:15:55
  Speaker 8: because he ends up being a guy than the more
• 1:15:58
  Speaker 8: surefire thing of Adbante. And if I've got it depends
• 1:16:03
  Speaker 8: on the level of the question marks. How red are
• 1:16:05
  Speaker 8: the red flags? I just I would definitely have cause
• 1:16:09
  Speaker 8: and reason for caution with that. And so there's a
• 1:16:13
  Speaker 8: world in which I'm either trying to trade up or back,
• 1:16:16
  Speaker 8: and I think that's a very real conversation that I
• 1:16:19
  Speaker 8: would at least try to have.
• 1:16:23
  Speaker 1: Apropos of nothing. Do you have a horse in the
• 1:16:25
  Speaker 1: race besides the US men's national team in this World Cup?
• 1:16:29
  Speaker 8: I was born in England, Oh wow. My parents were
• 1:16:32
  Speaker 8: missionaries there, so I always cheer for Team England also,
• 1:16:37
  Speaker 8: so usually my buddies and I pick our fantasy football
• 1:16:41
  Speaker 8: draft order based on the Indy five hundred, where each
• 1:16:45
  Speaker 8: assigned a racer and whatever ordered those racers finish in.
• 1:16:48
  Speaker 8: But one of our buddy, one of the guys in
• 1:16:50
  Speaker 8: the league, used an AI tool to assign one of
• 1:16:55
  Speaker 8: us eat like we each get like four teams and
• 1:16:57
  Speaker 8: created a whole like basically fantasy system to create scores
• 1:17:01
  Speaker 8: on the right. So I've got four teams that have
• 1:17:05
  Speaker 8: been assigned to me randomly. Funny enough, one of them
• 1:17:07
  Speaker 8: is England, So I'm like all in on those four teams,
• 1:17:11
  Speaker 8: and none of them are America, So it's ten USAK
• 1:17:13
  Speaker 8: and those four countries.
• 1:17:15
  Speaker 1: Who are they? I want to know. I want to
• 1:17:17
  Speaker 1: know where you're going to be in your fantasy draft
• 1:17:19
  Speaker 1: coming up.
• 1:17:20
  Speaker 8: So those uh, it's England. I got to find my
• 1:17:24
  Speaker 8: way back to it. I just moved away from that
• 1:17:26
  Speaker 8: page where to go. There we go. I've got England, Belgium,
• 1:17:33
  Speaker 8: South Korea, Sweden and South Africa. So I was wrong.
• 1:17:36
  Speaker 1: I've got five five teams. Okay, I.
• 1:17:40
  Speaker 8: Thought I was doing well, but then I realized red
• 1:17:42
  Speaker 8: cards are minus four points and so South Africa really
• 1:17:47
  Speaker 8: screwed me in that very first match of the entire tournament.
• 1:17:50
  Speaker 1: No news awful. Why that's I don't that's where we're
• 1:17:55
  Speaker 1: throwing a red card on your friend who made that system.
• 1:17:58
  Speaker 1: That's not good?
• 1:17:59
  Speaker 8: Thank you, thank you.
• 1:18:00
  Speaker 1: Wow, that's awesome. Well, uh, that's that's a that's a
• 1:18:04
  Speaker 1: fun way to stay engaged with the tournament. I like that.
• 1:18:06
  Speaker 1: That's smart. Love it.
• 1:18:08
  Speaker 8: How about did you see Spain just tide like some
• 1:18:11
  Speaker 8: random count people?
• 1:18:14
  Speaker 2: Yes, Kpe, fair little island nation, u Portuguese speaking island
• 1:18:18
  Speaker 2: nation off the coast of Africa.
• 1:18:20
  Speaker 1: Amazing, man, that's.
• 1:18:22
  Speaker 8: What it's all about.
• 1:18:23
  Speaker 5: Man.
• 1:18:23
  Speaker 8: The goalie is in tears because he kept a clean sheet.
• 1:18:26
  Speaker 5: Man.
• 1:18:27
  Speaker 8: The like, I know, we love winning and all this stuff.
• 1:18:29
  Speaker 8: That man, it's the people. It's the stories that we
• 1:18:32
  Speaker 8: tell behind the games themselves.
• 1:18:34
  Speaker 2: I'm here for it, absolutely Isaac, appreciate your time, enjoy
• 1:18:39
  Speaker 2: the draft. We won't speak with you, I don't think
• 1:18:41
  Speaker 2: before then, but we'll catch up shortly after.
• 1:18:44
  Speaker 8: Man, that sounds great. Sean, have a great week.
• 1:18:45
  Speaker 2: Brother, Isaac Shade, host of Lockdown College Basketball, Locked on
• 1:18:51
  Speaker 2: TarHeels and look, we've kind of gone on this roller
• 1:18:55
  Speaker 2: coaster with the Darren Peterson thing. I want to dive
• 1:18:59
  Speaker 2: into in the day, dumb. I want to dive into
• 1:19:01
  Speaker 2: a little bit more of the news that Aj Debontsa
• 1:19:05
  Speaker 2: working out for the Utah Jazz, Cam Boozer working out
• 1:19:09
  Speaker 2: for the Utah Jazz.
• 1:19:10
  Speaker 1: Why is Darren Peterson not working out for the Jazz?
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  Speaker 1: ending saga of Texas Tech versus her Body continues. I
• 1:20:17
  Speaker 1: don't know how many ways there are to approach this
• 1:20:20
  Speaker 1: without just me shaking my fist and yelling at the
• 1:20:22
  Speaker 1: clouds like a grumpy old man. It's just crazy that
• 1:20:25
  Speaker 1: this story has legs that will not stop. The pr
• 1:20:30
  Speaker 1: campaign by Texas Tech is as abysmally bad as anyone
• 1:20:35
  Speaker 1: could ever imagine. Unless they're somehow playing chess that nobody
• 1:20:40
  Speaker 1: else understands, they're just really bad at the checkers. It
• 1:20:43
  Speaker 1: seems like.
• 1:20:45
  Speaker 2: Well Utah getting involved in the theatrics here. The Utah
• 1:20:52
  Speaker 2: Attorney General Derek Brown and utug up to Spencer Cox
• 1:20:55
  Speaker 2: have released their own letter their own statements, addressed to
• 1:20:59
  Speaker 2: Commissioner Brett Yormark and Kansas Chairman Douglas Gerard, showing their
• 1:21:05
  Speaker 2: support for the conference's desire to fight the battle against
• 1:21:11
  Speaker 2: Texas Tech. All the athletic directors, all the university presidents
• 1:21:16
  Speaker 2: on that call last week said we don't think Texas
• 1:21:18
  Speaker 2: Tech should be playing Brendan Soresby. Texas Tech countered with, well,
• 1:21:23
  Speaker 2: if you try to stop us, we will pursue all
• 1:21:25
  Speaker 2: and all legal action necessary to keep him on the field. Well, now,
• 1:21:29
  Speaker 2: the Big Twelve Conference, with the support of the Utah
• 1:21:33
  Speaker 2: Attorney General, thank goodness, has sought their own injunction against
• 1:21:39
  Speaker 2: the judge who gave the injunction to Brendan Soorsby. So
• 1:21:48
  Speaker 2: the layers of this onion keep stacking on top of
• 1:21:51
  Speaker 2: one another in the most absurd and ridiculous fashion.
• 1:21:54
  Speaker 1: But here we are.
• 1:21:56
  Speaker 3: I'm laughing over yourroc as you say, we got our
• 1:22:00
  Speaker 3: injunction and and Utah, hey, we're gonna write a strong,
• 1:22:04
  Speaker 3: awarded letter from our attorney to your attorneys, Like, my gosh,
• 1:22:08
  Speaker 3: this is getting so absurd, and all of it because
• 1:22:14
  Speaker 3: a single judge didn't recognize just how bad of a rule,
• 1:22:19
  Speaker 3: like how bad it is that to allow a player
• 1:22:22
  Speaker 3: to play who broke this rule right, and then compounded
• 1:22:26
  Speaker 3: on top of that is Texas Tech not realizing just
• 1:22:29
  Speaker 3: how dumb they look telling everyone that please don't criticize
• 1:22:34
  Speaker 3: this guy. He's got a mental health diagnosis, which which,
• 1:22:37
  Speaker 3: by the way, I'm gonna I'm gonna give the I'm
• 1:22:40
  Speaker 3: gonna give Brendan Soresby and and Texas Sect the better
• 1:22:44
  Speaker 3: of the doubt to say it's real. But it's not
• 1:22:47
  Speaker 3: unfair to question whether it's real. I'll just say that
• 1:22:50
  Speaker 3: I'm gonna I'm gonna until we know for sure that
• 1:22:53
  Speaker 3: it's not. I'm gonna say, Okay, he's a gambling addict,
• 1:22:56
  Speaker 3: but it's getting so.
• 1:22:57
  Speaker 1: Ridiculous even if it is real.
• 1:23:00
  Speaker 2: Right, And I'm a skeptic, but my skepticism is inconsequential here.
• 1:23:06
  Speaker 2: Even if he has a real diagnosed medical condition and addiction,
• 1:23:11
  Speaker 2: it doesn't mean that there are no consequences in his
• 1:23:15
  Speaker 2: athletic life. The real life consequences, by the way, are
• 1:23:21
  Speaker 2: not even being explored here. Other people have been criminally
• 1:23:26
  Speaker 2: charged for the same thing, for underage gambling, which he
• 1:23:30
  Speaker 2: admitted to. Right, we have documented proof that he was
• 1:23:34
  Speaker 2: gambling before he was eighteen years old.
• 1:23:37
  Speaker 1: All right, that's illegal. You can't do that. Sorry, before
• 1:23:44
  Speaker 1: he was twenty one years old. You can't do it.
• 1:23:48
  Speaker 2: You are not allowed to bet with insider information. You're
• 1:23:51
  Speaker 2: not being a member of the Indiana football team and
• 1:23:55
  Speaker 2: betting on Indiana games. Even if you didn't bet against Indiana,
• 1:23:59
  Speaker 2: you have material information that is not accessible to the public,
• 1:24:02
  Speaker 2: that is prosecutable and has been in the past. No
• 1:24:07
  Speaker 2: one's even talking about that. And I, by the way,
• 1:24:09
  Speaker 2: I think that's right. I think that's fine. I think
• 1:24:12
  Speaker 2: that's good. But Texas Tech pretending that there's nothing to
• 1:24:17
  Speaker 2: see here just because someone has a mental health issue.
• 1:24:21
  Speaker 2: I've already raved for way too long on the show
• 1:24:24
  Speaker 2: about the precedent you are setting. If that is the message,
• 1:24:28
  Speaker 2: oh well, as long as I have a diagnosable anxiety thing,
• 1:24:31
  Speaker 2: or I have a diagnosable depression thing, or I have
• 1:24:34
  Speaker 2: a diagnosable addiction problem here, well then I get to
• 1:24:37
  Speaker 2: do whatever I want. You cannot sanction me, you cannot
• 1:24:40
  Speaker 2: punish me, because now you're working against my mental health.
• 1:24:44
  Speaker 2: And we have worshiped at this altar of preserving mental
• 1:24:48
  Speaker 2: health for everyone in a way that has become unfortunately disingenuous.
• 1:24:54
  Speaker 2: And I've said it before, I will say it again.
• 1:24:56
  Speaker 2: I am sympathetic too, in supportive of people who are
• 1:25:00
  Speaker 2: really battling mental health conditions. It is a nightmare. It
• 1:25:05
  Speaker 2: is incredibly difficult. It is something that hopefully, someday modern medicine,
• 1:25:11
  Speaker 2: the miracles of science, will be able to eliminate like cancer.
• 1:25:14
  Speaker 2: I want mental illness to be gone from our society.
• 1:25:19
  Speaker 1: We have gone.
• 1:25:20
  Speaker 2: We've become the boys and girls who cried wolf. Though
• 1:25:23
  Speaker 2: when it comes to all this way too often. And
• 1:25:26
  Speaker 2: now you've got this political theater happening where attorneys general
• 1:25:31
  Speaker 2: are like, well, here in Oklahoma, and here in Kansas,
• 1:25:36
  Speaker 2: and now here in Utah, we are going to collectively
• 1:25:39
  Speaker 2: wag our finger at you, Texas and at Texas Tech University, which,
• 1:25:43
  Speaker 2: by the way, I don't The Texas Attorney General is
• 1:25:47
  Speaker 2: a guy named Ken Paxton. He wrote a letter to
• 1:25:50
  Speaker 2: the Big twelve last week saying, if you try to
• 1:25:54
  Speaker 2: enforce your bylaws, if you try to enforce your conference
• 1:25:58
  Speaker 2: rules where you can rule the kid ineligible yourself even
• 1:26:01
  Speaker 2: though the temporary injunction exists, well now you are going
• 1:26:06
  Speaker 2: to be liable. And and now the Texas Attorney General's
• 1:26:09
  Speaker 2: office is going to have a problem with you. I
• 1:26:11
  Speaker 2: would love to know how that flies with TCU, how
• 1:26:15
  Speaker 2: that flies with the much more powerful university in the state,
• 1:26:18
  Speaker 2: the University of Texas.
• 1:26:20
  Speaker 1: I mean, all of this is absolutely bananas.
• 1:26:23
  Speaker 3: Baylor and Houston are also in the Big twelve conference,
• 1:26:26
  Speaker 3: Like you're absolutely right, Like they are all coming to
• 1:26:30
  Speaker 3: this corner of Lubbock in Texas Tech. They're they're they're
• 1:26:36
  Speaker 3: they are holding courts in between the two targets in Lubbock, Texas. Oh,
• 1:26:41
  Speaker 3: and we you this is our battle ground. And it's like, why.
• 1:26:46
  Speaker 2: Let me get conspiratorial here, because you know I love
• 1:26:49
  Speaker 2: to do that. If this would make perfect sense for
• 1:26:52
  Speaker 2: Texas Tech, if and only if they had some sort
• 1:26:56
  Speaker 2: of like behind the scenes situation going on where the
• 1:26:59
  Speaker 2: Big ten in the SEC have recognized Texas Tech is
• 1:27:03
  Speaker 2: a big money player and is willing to spend and
• 1:27:07
  Speaker 2: is willing to do whatever it takes to compete. And
• 1:27:09
  Speaker 2: if the Big ten in the SEC were like secretly
• 1:27:13
  Speaker 2: on the side of Texas Tech and saying, hey, here's
• 1:27:17
  Speaker 2: what I want you to do. Make a big stink
• 1:27:19
  Speaker 2: in your own conference, find a way to get into
• 1:27:22
  Speaker 2: this huge legal battle with your conference, and use that
• 1:27:25
  Speaker 2: as a way to exit the Big twelve conference, then
• 1:27:29
  Speaker 2: this might make sense for the Big for the for
• 1:27:31
  Speaker 2: Texas Tech. But the SEC and the Big ten were
• 1:27:36
  Speaker 2: like the first voices to come out and be like,
• 1:27:38
  Speaker 2: this is crap.
• 1:27:39
  Speaker 1: We're not gonna play you guys anymore. I mean, maybe
• 1:27:41
  Speaker 1: you know, it could be lying.
• 1:27:43
  Speaker 3: You know, let's let's let's dig in a little bit
• 1:27:45
  Speaker 3: further with your with your conspiracy theory. O. See, maybe
• 1:27:48
  Speaker 3: let's stretch even more. Maybe Josh Brooks is say is
• 1:27:52
  Speaker 3: telling everyone, do not Texas or do not schedule Texas Tech,
• 1:27:56
  Speaker 3: because you know, it'll be really hard, it'll be really
• 1:27:58
  Speaker 3: hard to get out of those edules once they're like,
• 1:28:01
  Speaker 3: we're going to play him anyway in a couple of years.
• 1:28:03
  Speaker 2: So just to make sure everyone's clear on what's happening here,
• 1:28:08
  Speaker 2: Brendan Sooresby today is eligible to play because of the
• 1:28:10
  Speaker 2: temporary injunction granted to him by the judge, the singular
• 1:28:14
  Speaker 2: judge in Texas blocking the nc double A for enforcing
• 1:28:18
  Speaker 2: eligibility rules on him. So the Big twelve is Party
• 1:28:24
  Speaker 2: two all NCAA eligibility rules.
• 1:28:26
  Speaker 1: They're also Party two.
• 1:28:28
  Speaker 2: They can be held to the laws of the land,
• 1:28:30
  Speaker 2: which this judge now says, legally, you have to let
• 1:28:33
  Speaker 2: this kid play. So now the Big twelve is suing
• 1:28:36
  Speaker 2: Texas Tech, who is threatening to sue the Big Twelve,
• 1:28:39
  Speaker 2: who is also getting support from Kansas, Oklahoma and Utah's
• 1:28:43
  Speaker 2: attorneys general to Hey, if you want to get into
• 1:28:46
  Speaker 2: a legal battle here, we're on the side of the conference,
• 1:28:50
  Speaker 2: not on the side of Texas Tech. And it's unclear
• 1:28:54
  Speaker 2: when there's like four other major universities and like ten
• 1:28:57
  Speaker 2: other universities in the state of Texas, how they're going
• 1:29:01
  Speaker 2: to feel when their attorney general is in support of
• 1:29:04
  Speaker 2: Texas Tech.
• 1:29:06
  Speaker 1: Are we now see? I had heard, so see.
• 1:29:09
  Speaker 3: And just an interesting thing, not I don't want to
• 1:29:13
  Speaker 3: get into the weeds too much with this, but an
• 1:29:16
  Speaker 3: interesting thing about the Big twelves lawsuit which broke today
• 1:29:20
  Speaker 3: that you mentioned in that tangled web of litigation. They're
• 1:29:27
  Speaker 3: calling this they they want what's called a declaratory judgment
• 1:29:31
  Speaker 3: that the First Amendment protects the conferences, the Big Twelve
• 1:29:35
  Speaker 3: their right to invoke its authority under its bylaws to
• 1:29:38
  Speaker 3: sanctioned Texas Tech. I did not I did not know
• 1:29:43
  Speaker 3: that you could that there might be some legal ground
• 1:29:46
  Speaker 3: with the First Amendment on this sort of thing for
• 1:29:48
  Speaker 3: a for a sports conference. So that's something else that
• 1:29:53
  Speaker 3: just stood out to me that again, neither of us
• 1:29:56
  Speaker 3: have any kind of insight to add too much to that,
• 1:30:00
  Speaker 3: but I thought it was interesting.
• 1:30:02
  Speaker 2: Uh, it's just it's fascinating in the most painful and
• 1:30:08
  Speaker 2: annoying way.
• 1:30:09
  Speaker 1: Anything.
• 1:30:09
  Speaker 3: I haven't seen anything that's come out of this UH
• 1:30:14
  Speaker 3: Executive Board, this President's meeting with the Big Twelve yet,
• 1:30:17
  Speaker 3: have you No? They're supposed maybe their meeting as we speak.
• 1:30:20
  Speaker 3: There's there, there's they're scheduled to meet today.
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  Speaker 1: I think that.
• 1:30:24
  Speaker 2: Probably this lawsuit is a product of the Big Twelve
• 1:30:29
  Speaker 2: and of brett Ormark being told by the university presidents
• 1:30:33
  Speaker 2: and by the athletic directors in the conversations that have
• 1:30:35
  Speaker 2: already happened, like absolutely, let's pursue this. Yeah, which I
• 1:30:40
  Speaker 2: want to be I want to be fair here, I
• 1:30:42
  Speaker 2: want to be direct. I think this is a waste
• 1:30:45
  Speaker 2: of everyone's time because I think what's gonna happen is
• 1:30:48
  Speaker 2: Brendan Soresby is going to be eligible, and this is
• 1:30:51
  Speaker 2: going to waste time and money that belong and energy
• 1:30:54
  Speaker 2: that belongs elsewhere in this conference. I told you last week,
• 1:30:58
  Speaker 2: and I'm gonna die on this hill now that I
• 1:31:00
  Speaker 2: think the correct thing to do, because you're fighting this
• 1:31:04
  Speaker 2: losing battle. I think the correct thing to do for
• 1:31:07
  Speaker 2: the Big Twelve Conference, for the University of Utah, for BYU,
• 1:31:10
  Speaker 2: for Arizona State, is just to throw up double birds
• 1:31:14
  Speaker 2: at Texas Tech and say you are destroying our system.
• 1:31:19
  Speaker 2: You are a problem, but we're gonna beat you. We're
• 1:31:23
  Speaker 2: not going to fight this losing legal battle. We're not
• 1:31:25
  Speaker 2: gonna let the lawyers determine outcomes here. You guys are
• 1:31:28
  Speaker 2: making a terrible mistake. You are hurting all of college football.
• 1:31:31
  Speaker 2: You are undermining the Big Twelve brand, You're undermining your
• 1:31:34
  Speaker 2: own university in the most embarrassing and disgusting way. But
• 1:31:38
  Speaker 2: if you really think that this guy is the answer
• 1:31:40
  Speaker 2: to all your prayers and this is the guy that
• 1:31:42
  Speaker 2: you are willing to sacrifice all your credibility for, bring
• 1:31:46
  Speaker 2: it on. We'll see you in the conference championship game,
• 1:31:48
  Speaker 2: or we'll see you in the regular season if you're
• 1:31:51
  Speaker 2: anybody else right, And Brandon Soreesby, good luck to you, man, like,
• 1:31:55
  Speaker 2: genuinely good luck to you.
• 1:31:57
  Speaker 1: You are well.
• 1:31:59
  Speaker 2: Has there ever been a guy more villainized in a
• 1:32:03
  Speaker 2: preseason in any sport where you just know every arena
• 1:32:07
  Speaker 2: that that person should I mean, Barry Bonds, Mark McGuire,
• 1:32:11
  Speaker 2: Alex Rodriguez, Hey, Rod, Like, that's what we're talking about here. Yeah,
• 1:32:15
  Speaker 2: the steroid guys are probably the only ones that that
• 1:32:18
  Speaker 2: might be able to relate to what Brended Soresby might
• 1:32:21
  Speaker 2: be going through right now. Like, I wasn't contemporary of
• 1:32:25
  Speaker 2: Pete Rose. I don't think he was playing and getting that.
• 1:32:28
  Speaker 2: He didn't have that kind of reaction.
• 1:32:30
  Speaker 1: Yeah, he wasn't.
• 1:32:31
  Speaker 3: He wasn't a player obviously when he when he went
• 1:32:34
  Speaker 3: through the gambling scandal and and got banned for life,
• 1:32:37
  Speaker 3: like so totally different thing.
• 1:32:41
  Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, like I just don't I don't know
• 1:32:44
  Speaker 1: if there is an equivalent, but good luck. Yeah. Also
• 1:32:49
  Speaker 1: in the Daily Dump, Brian Windhors was reporting that Jannis
• 1:32:53
  Speaker 1: the Great Freak wants to join the Heat or the Celtics.
• 1:32:58
  Speaker 1: I think we kind of knew that already.
• 1:33:01
  Speaker 3: Celtics is kind of newer, but it doesn't surprise you.
• 1:33:04
  Speaker 3: Celtics are a loaded roster and they've got a championship pedigree.
• 1:33:08
  Speaker 1: Why wouldn't he want to go there? I don't know
• 1:33:11
  Speaker 1: how the Celtics can pull that off. Wind Horse.
• 1:33:15
  Speaker 3: So this was on Get Up when he said this
• 1:33:17
  Speaker 3: this morning on ESPN. So he mentioned the Heat and Bucks.
• 1:33:21
  Speaker 3: As we've known, they've been talking for months, including it
• 1:33:24
  Speaker 3: this past trade deadline when it felt like Giannis was
• 1:33:29
  Speaker 3: certainly on the move.
• 1:33:31
  Speaker 1: They didn't get it.
• 1:33:32
  Speaker 3: They didn't get a deal in place though, so he's
• 1:33:33
  Speaker 3: still in Milwaukee for now, but the deal wasn't. No
• 1:33:39
  Speaker 3: deal's been agreed upon between Miami and Milwaukee though, because
• 1:33:42
  Speaker 3: the Bucks just don't like what Miami has to offer
• 1:33:45
  Speaker 3: so far. So far to make it even close to
• 1:33:48
  Speaker 3: appealing for Milwaukee win Horses saying they've had they've had
• 1:33:52
  Speaker 3: to make it a three or four They've had to
• 1:33:54
  Speaker 3: offer three or four team deals. And what that speaks
• 1:33:58
  Speaker 3: to is they don't like Miami's draft capital, is what
• 1:34:02
  Speaker 3: that speaks to. They they Miami, the Heat have had
• 1:34:04
  Speaker 3: to ask, probably the Jazz, because they're always in on
• 1:34:07
  Speaker 3: these these superstars getting traded as a third or fourth team, right,
• 1:34:11
  Speaker 3: they probably asked teams like the Jazz to be like, hey,
• 1:34:13
  Speaker 3: do you have a first round pick that you can
• 1:34:16
  Speaker 3: throw in here? Do you you know another anonymous team, see,
• 1:34:22
  Speaker 3: do you have a how many first round picks can
• 1:34:24
  Speaker 3: you help us out with?
• 1:34:25
  Speaker 5: Here?
• 1:34:26
  Speaker 3: You'll get this guy or you'll get these picks in exchange.
• 1:34:30
  Speaker 3: If you join this deal. So that's that's a snag
• 1:34:33
  Speaker 3: from Miami. The Celtics. It's like these guys, they like
• 1:34:36
  Speaker 3: to shoot threes and Yannis doesn't shoot threes, and you'd
• 1:34:41
  Speaker 3: probably have to break. You'd probably have to send Jalen
• 1:34:44
  Speaker 3: Brown and Jalen Brown, Jason Tatum. They've just won you
• 1:34:46
  Speaker 3: a championship. They go to the conference finals almost every year.
• 1:34:49
  Speaker 3: That's tricky for for Boston. You would think it's an
• 1:34:53
  Speaker 3: upgrade to get Yiannis, but it's a lot more nuanced
• 1:34:57
  Speaker 3: than that with the Celtics. So this would be interesting
• 1:35:00
  Speaker 3: to watch as we head into the draft.
• 1:35:02
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• 1:35:08
  Speaker 2: about ten minutes away from Belgium versus Egypt coming at
• 1:35:13
  Speaker 2: you from Seattle, Washington. Also later today Saudi Arabia, Uruguay,
• 1:35:18
  Speaker 2: and Iran versus New Zealand. So that's four American cities
• 1:35:24
  Speaker 2: hosting four different World Cup games. Tomorrow's lineup is France
• 1:35:30
  Speaker 2: versus Senegal at one. That's actually I'm glad we were
• 1:35:33
  Speaker 2: gonna be on air while that thing starts.
• 1:35:35
  Speaker 1: That's gonna be fun.
• 1:35:36
  Speaker 2: Iraq Norway tomorrow afternoon, Argentina Algeria tomorrow evening, and then
• 1:35:43
  Speaker 2: the late night game Austria versus Jordan, which James will
• 1:35:47
  Speaker 2: be watching very closely.
• 1:35:48
  Speaker 3: I mean, how can you go against Jordan and championship situations?
• 1:35:52
  Speaker 3: My Iran team, by the way, that's who I picked
• 1:35:55
  Speaker 3: to win their group.
• 1:35:57
  Speaker 1: All right, stay tuned, we're gonna take a quick break here.
• 1:36:00
  Speaker 1: When we come back.
• 1:36:01
  Speaker 2: Remember James on during these three hours he's the producer
• 1:36:05
  Speaker 2: of the Sean O'Connell Show, but all the other hours
• 1:36:07
  Speaker 2: of the week he is the program director here at
• 1:36:09
  Speaker 2: ESPN seven hundred, so he's the boss. I'm gonna make
• 1:36:12
  Speaker 2: a case why James should send me on remote to
• 1:36:16
  Speaker 2: one of these World Cup games. All Right, it's the
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• 1:36:41
  Speaker 2: All right, we haven't talked enough about the effect that
• 1:36:45
  Speaker 2: FOMO has on any sports fan. I never would have
• 1:36:51
  Speaker 2: anticipated fear of missing out to be this strong about
• 1:36:54
  Speaker 2: the World Cup. But this is one of the primary
• 1:36:57
  Speaker 2: functions of the Internet these days, and social media in particular.
• 1:37:01
  Speaker 2: It shows you things that you don't get to be
• 1:37:03
  Speaker 2: a part of. It makes you wish you got to
• 1:37:05
  Speaker 2: be a part of those things. That's why people have
• 1:37:07
  Speaker 2: body dysmorphia and think that everyone is in great shape
• 1:37:11
  Speaker 2: because of the fitness influencers and the mommy bloggers make
• 1:37:14
  Speaker 2: us all believe we're supposed to have perfectly clean houses
• 1:37:18
  Speaker 2: with six car garages and spotless children and all that stuff.
• 1:37:22
  Speaker 2: And I don't fall for any of that, but I
• 1:37:24
  Speaker 2: do fall for the fomo I'm feeling when it comes
• 1:37:27
  Speaker 2: to this FIFA World Cup that's playing out in American
• 1:37:30
  Speaker 2: cities across the United States of America. The get in
• 1:37:34
  Speaker 2: price has come down dramatically for a lot of these games,
• 1:37:38
  Speaker 2: as we thought that maybe it would during the actual
• 1:37:42
  Speaker 2: tournament itself.
• 1:37:43
  Speaker 1: And James, I'm.
• 1:37:45
  Speaker 2: Starting to think that, you know, we need an on
• 1:37:47
  Speaker 2: site correspondent for some of these games, and that it
• 1:37:52
  Speaker 2: should be you. Now I think it should be me,
• 1:37:54
  Speaker 2: as the guy with the most obvious soccer knowledge and
• 1:37:57
  Speaker 2: direct ties to the game. Spence despite the fact that
• 1:38:00
  Speaker 2: it was a family business for the Check its is
• 1:38:02
  Speaker 2: for quite a while. He doesn't really enjoy soccer the
• 1:38:06
  Speaker 2: way I do.
• 1:38:06
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I was just gonna say that you definitely
• 1:38:10
  Speaker 3: big are soccer fan than the Spence Check is.
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  Speaker 1: Absolutely yes.
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  Speaker 3: I think all of our listeners, the whole station, on
• 1:38:18
  Speaker 3: both shows would agree.
• 1:38:19
  Speaker 1: Okay, So.
• 1:38:21
  Speaker 2: Here's and I'm also I'm going to be realistic here
• 1:38:24
  Speaker 2: and I know that it's it's a big ask to
• 1:38:28
  Speaker 2: to say, hey, you should send me to this game now.
• 1:38:31
  Speaker 2: Of course I will do my show from the road wherever,
• 1:38:33
  Speaker 2: wherever we go.
• 1:38:34
  Speaker 1: From the stadium.
• 1:38:35
  Speaker 3: Do you're middle what thirty eighth minute and you're just
• 1:38:38
  Speaker 3: talking sports? Well, people around you going, why are you
• 1:38:41
  Speaker 3: talking so much? I'm glad you have that idea, because
• 1:38:43
  Speaker 3: what we could do James Friday USA VERSUS Australia in Seattle,
• 1:38:51
  Speaker 3: that game first kick at one o'clock Mountain time.
• 1:38:55
  Speaker 1: Uh huh. I could just dial up the zoom meeting
• 1:39:00
  Speaker 1: on my cell phone, do the show from my phone
• 1:39:03
  Speaker 1: while I'm sitting in a seat at Lumenfield in Seattle,
• 1:39:07
  Speaker 1: bothering everybody around you. Stop talking. Could you imagine how
• 1:39:13
  Speaker 1: odd it would look?
• 1:39:15
  Speaker 2: To the sports fans filtering into the Aussie and American
• 1:39:18
  Speaker 2: sports fans at lumen Field.
• 1:39:21
  Speaker 1: If I'm just sitting there silent for three minutes at
• 1:39:25
  Speaker 1: a time, but then I've got my cell phone on.
• 1:39:27
  Speaker 8: Welcome back to the shot o'conna.
• 1:39:29
  Speaker 1: I'm just shouting into my phone.
• 1:39:33
  Speaker 3: Why are you talking so much about Utah football people
• 1:39:37
  Speaker 3: at the World Cup game?
• 1:39:39
  Speaker 2: People coming up to me to try to have a conversation.
• 1:39:41
  Speaker 2: I might is actual seat and I'm just giving just
• 1:39:44
  Speaker 2: holding up the fingers. Don't don't talk to me right now.
• 1:39:47
  Speaker 2: I'm on air, big What do you mean you're on air?
• 1:39:49
  Speaker 2: You're on your phone. I'm on air, Okay, James, this
• 1:39:53
  Speaker 2: could be the greatest program feat in the history of
• 1:39:56
  Speaker 2: Utah Sports Radio.
• 1:39:57
  Speaker 3: I was gonna mercilessly say no, we're not doing that.
• 1:40:01
  Speaker 3: I was prepared to do that, But now I want
• 1:40:03
  Speaker 3: to hear I think our I think I do, and
• 1:40:06
  Speaker 3: our listeners want to hear the arguments that that and
• 1:40:08
  Speaker 3: heavily break out and maybe the the fight, all the
• 1:40:12
  Speaker 3: noises from the fistfights that's going to break out for
• 1:40:15
  Speaker 3: because of all the annoyed and increasingly angry Australian and
• 1:40:19
  Speaker 3: American fans at you at the game. Yeah, so let's
• 1:40:24
  Speaker 3: you know what, let's go ahead and do this. You
• 1:40:27
  Speaker 3: may have to get you may have to find a
• 1:40:29
  Speaker 3: judge to give you a temporary injunction.
• 1:40:31
  Speaker 1: All right, easy, that's easy. If we've found out that,
• 1:40:34
  Speaker 1: that's very easy. Let's do that.
• 1:40:36
  Speaker 3: The Honorable Air quotes Kenneth Curry maybe in Lubbock County, Texas,
• 1:40:41
  Speaker 3: could be your friend in this. In this case, now,
• 1:40:44
  Speaker 3: I'm gonna need Broadway Media to fork out the twenty
• 1:40:47
  Speaker 3: two hundred dollars for the cheapest ticket at Lumenfield USA
• 1:40:52
  Speaker 3: VERSUS Australia. Okay, I I could find someone I could
• 1:40:57
  Speaker 3: crash at their house. I could I could couch surf
• 1:40:59
  Speaker 3: for this one. Twenty two hundred bucks is to get
• 1:41:02
  Speaker 3: in twenty two oh eight is the cheapest ticket right
• 1:41:04
  Speaker 3: now available for USA versus Australia Friday at one o'clock.
• 1:41:10
  Speaker 3: Didn't you say that prices were going down a few
• 1:41:12
  Speaker 3: minutes ago?
• 1:41:13
  Speaker 1: Oh gosh, it is quite for some quite the number
• 1:41:16
  Speaker 1: okay for some of this is if you want to
• 1:41:18
  Speaker 1: go to South Africa, chech Yeah, it's only three hundred
• 1:41:20
  Speaker 1: and fifty bucks. Okay. Actually, you know what that is.
• 1:41:24
  Speaker 1: That's below face foul for me, that's that's below face foul.
• 1:41:28
  Speaker 1: You Now you got to get to Atlanta.
• 1:41:29
  Speaker 3: Yeah, if I didn't have to pay for flight and hotel,
• 1:41:32
  Speaker 3: that would be I'd be like, I'd pay three point
• 1:41:35
  Speaker 3: fifty for a yeah, or two people.
• 1:41:38
  Speaker 2: I'd pay seven hundred dollars for a World Cup game.
• 1:41:40
  Speaker 2: Switzerland Bosnia Herzegovina. That's in La one. You could technically
• 1:41:45
  Speaker 2: drive there.
• 1:41:46
  Speaker 1: My my Bosnia Herzegovenia team.
• 1:41:49
  Speaker 2: That's uh, they're uh, that's four hundred and eighteen dollars
• 1:41:52
  Speaker 2: right now, Harriman's own right now. Bosnia Herzegovina. I think
• 1:41:56
  Speaker 2: they're training in Sandy this week. Are they in Sandy?
• 1:41:58
  Speaker 2: I think that's what Trey Fitzgerald texted me last week.
• 1:42:00
  Speaker 2: They are a Utah's team.
• 1:42:02
  Speaker 3: Everybody other than US men's national team, we are all
• 1:42:05
  Speaker 3: in on Bosnia. Did you see, by the way, the
• 1:42:07
  Speaker 3: beautiful way that the Algerian team has been welcomed by
• 1:42:11
  Speaker 3: Kansas City. No, it's actually the most lovely thing ever.
• 1:42:15
  Speaker 1: They're like like a bunch of folks in Lawrence. They're
• 1:42:19
  Speaker 1: training in Lawrence, Kansas.
• 1:42:20
  Speaker 2: They're staying at like the Best Western in Lawrence, Kansas.
• 1:42:23
  Speaker 3: At their their training on the campus in Kansas, and.
• 1:42:28
  Speaker 2: The community has just been like, yeah, this is great.
• 1:42:32
  Speaker 2: And they're like wearing Algeria's stuff and they're going to
• 1:42:36
  Speaker 2: the practice fields and of course the Algerian players are
• 1:42:39
  Speaker 2: feeling welcomed and they're playing soccer with the kids, and
• 1:42:42
  Speaker 2: it's just like this really like wholesome kind of vibe
• 1:42:45
  Speaker 2: going on Kansas is Kansas's own Algeria, Kansas living, Kansas
• 1:42:51
  Speaker 2: living up to And this is actually something that I'm
• 1:42:53
  Speaker 2: not going to get political here. This is something I
• 1:42:55
  Speaker 2: think that we probably need on the global stage right now,
• 1:43:00
  Speaker 2: is the anecdotal stories going back home, right the people
• 1:43:06
  Speaker 2: that are here for the World Cup, and the teams
• 1:43:08
  Speaker 2: and the sports federations that are here for the World
• 1:43:11
  Speaker 2: Cup being welcomed, experiencing American community, experiencing American generosity. Because
• 1:43:17
  Speaker 2: even here in the United States, if all we see
• 1:43:19
  Speaker 2: of our country is what we get on the news,
• 1:43:22
  Speaker 2: we can really dislike our own country. And when the
• 1:43:25
  Speaker 2: international community all that they see on the news is
• 1:43:30
  Speaker 2: that like this tiny little sliver of over politicized, militarized,
• 1:43:36
  Speaker 2: like fanatical America, people don't really have a sense of
• 1:43:40
  Speaker 2: what we are internationally, and that is maybe the biggest
• 1:43:44
  Speaker 2: opportunity of this World Cup is for people to see
• 1:43:47
  Speaker 2: to come to the stadiums and be in awe of
• 1:43:49
  Speaker 2: these incredible cathedrals of sport that we have, but also
• 1:43:53
  Speaker 2: to have like American generosity, you know, like the hospitality
• 1:43:57
  Speaker 2: all that. The German guy that is going viral for
• 1:44:00
  Speaker 2: documenting his thing, like people are giving him to a
• 1:44:03
  Speaker 2: ride to the game, people are giving him a ride
• 1:44:05
  Speaker 2: to the airports as he's flying, you know, Like that's
• 1:44:08
  Speaker 2: what That's what we need from this World Cup is
• 1:44:11
  Speaker 2: we need all these European, South Americans, you know, African nations,
• 1:44:15
  Speaker 2: all these people to go back home and just be like, dude,
• 1:44:18
  Speaker 2: don't pay attention to the crazy stuff you see on
• 1:44:21
  Speaker 2: political television. The United States of America crazy cool, geographically interesting,
• 1:44:28
  Speaker 2: but the people are welcoming.
• 1:44:30
  Speaker 1: That's what we need. Yeah, that is a cool story.
• 1:44:33
  Speaker 3: I'm gonna have to do a search there and find
• 1:44:35
  Speaker 3: some of the videos that are and it's the most
• 1:44:38
  Speaker 3: about the tea. There's some really wholesome stuff going and
• 1:44:41
  Speaker 3: this week when we talked to Bill Riley on Friday,
• 1:44:44
  Speaker 3: We're gonna have to ask him, So, what's Oletha doing
• 1:44:46
  Speaker 3: to to welcome the Algerian team in Lawrence, Kansas. That's
• 1:44:50
  Speaker 3: all the greater Kansas area, Kansas City, whole thing.
• 1:44:55
  Speaker 1: I mean, eight is a part of that, as I understand. Yeah, yeah,
• 1:44:58
  Speaker 1: it's so yeah, I mean, James, just you know, put
• 1:45:02
  Speaker 1: it on the put it on the budget. Let's do
• 1:45:05
  Speaker 1: a little on on site correspondence for one of these
• 1:45:08
  Speaker 1: World Cup game.
• 1:45:09
  Speaker 3: You're gonna have to find You're gonna have to find
• 1:45:12
  Speaker 3: a a fan of Australia and be super nice American
• 1:45:19
  Speaker 3: the way that you want, actually multiple fans. You have
• 1:45:22
  Speaker 3: to find ten Australian fans and and and do go
• 1:45:26
  Speaker 3: out of your way to be super nice American. And
• 1:45:29
  Speaker 3: then we'll think about it.
• 1:45:30
  Speaker 2: Yeah, all right before we take a break, because the
• 1:45:36
  Speaker 2: US men's national team games are prohibitively expensive. If you're
• 1:45:40
  Speaker 2: going to watch one nation not America in this World Cup,
• 1:45:44
  Speaker 2: which one do you want to see?
• 1:45:49
  Speaker 1: I mean, for me, it's obviously Jordan's short Jordan, because
• 1:45:52
  Speaker 1: that's what you picked last week. Of Jordan. I probably
• 1:45:57
  Speaker 1: would pick.
• 1:45:59
  Speaker 3: Argentina or France because they have the two probably best
• 1:46:03
  Speaker 3: players in this tournament. But okay, fair those are probably
• 1:46:06
  Speaker 3: really expensive too, so I don't.
• 1:46:08
  Speaker 1: Know my A couple of my high school buddies are
• 1:46:13
  Speaker 1: in Dallas. They did.
• 1:46:15
  Speaker 2: They were at the Japan Netherlands game. Part of the
• 1:46:18
  Speaker 2: what's contributed to my fomo. They went to the Japan
• 1:46:22
  Speaker 2: Netherlands game. Great game, really cool game, and they're gonna
• 1:46:26
  Speaker 2: stay for the England game.
• 1:46:28
  Speaker 1: So that's not bad. Yeah, pretty good. That's pretty good
• 1:46:32
  Speaker 1: too those watching those three teams. Yeah, all right, dads
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  Speaker 2: AFF Stanley Cup Lord Stanley's Cup hoisted by the Carolina
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  Speaker 2: Hurricanes ceiling it in game six to do a little
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  Speaker 2: recap on the series, and I guess on the season
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  Speaker 2: now that it's over, Our good friend Tom Callahan locked
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  Speaker 2: on Mammoth. You Tom, Mammoth Insider, NHL Insider, you're on
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  Speaker 2: the Sean O'Connell show.
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  Speaker 1: Tom, welcome back. How are you, sir ah?
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  Speaker 7: You know what, I'm in that same kind of weird
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  Speaker 7: mode that everybody's in. It's like sad that it's over,
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  Speaker 7: but excited for the off season and a lot of
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  Speaker 7: mixed emotions right now.
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  Speaker 2: The fact that Carolina did it in the way that
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  Speaker 2: they did it. What was the number one thing that
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  Speaker 2: stood out to you in the Stanley Cup final series?
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  Speaker 7: Well, I mean it helps if their captain really picked
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  Speaker 7: that team up. I mean for a thirty seven year
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  Speaker 7: old guy who I don't think a lot of us
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  Speaker 7: were thinking too much about Jordan Skull and you know
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  Speaker 7: that second line, but it really and I'll even put
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  Speaker 7: a Utah slant on this pretty early in the show here,
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  Speaker 7: that is the blueprint for the Mammoth where they physically
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  Speaker 7: as big as Vegas, No but they played harder, they
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  Speaker 7: were tough. And I was listening to some you know,
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  Speaker 7: breakdowns by various people, and I realized that I'm listening
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  Speaker 7: to this. Carolina was not stronger physically, They were not
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  Speaker 7: on paper the better team or the bigger team, but
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  Speaker 7: they were just tougher, the team tough, more difficult to beat.
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  Speaker 7: And to me, that screams volumes about the blueprint for
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  Speaker 7: the Utah Mammoth and where this team, even as constructed
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  Speaker 7: right now, can head and become that type of Carolina
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  Speaker 7: Hurricanes team where man, if they're willing to go through
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  Speaker 7: a brick wall and I'll charge in the same direction,
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  Speaker 7: they'd be a really, really hard team to beat. And
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  Speaker 7: that's just really what it came down to with Carolina
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  Speaker 7: is they were willing to do whatever it took. They
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  Speaker 7: made it happen every single time, every single shift. They
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  Speaker 7: worked harder than Vegas did, and they ended up winning
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  Speaker 7: the Stama Cup.
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  Speaker 2: So you know, in these copycat leagues, right I was
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  Speaker 2: asking questions like this earlier about the New York Knicks
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  Speaker 2: and is everyone else going to try to replicate what
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  Speaker 2: the New York Knicks were doing? And you know, there
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  Speaker 2: are some similarities between the at least like the size,
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  Speaker 2: maybe some of the speed on this Utah Mammoth roster
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  Speaker 2: and what care Lina did. But did we see enough
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  Speaker 2: in this Stanley Cup Final series to inform the way
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  Speaker 2: that other teams in the league, maybe even the Mammoth
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  Speaker 2: try to approach the next couple of seasons.
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  Speaker 7: Well, it's gonna be hard because there's only one Rod
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  Speaker 7: Brinda Moore. And there was a good debate going with
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  Speaker 7: me and some of my hockey friends, and I've seen
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  Speaker 7: a similar kind of question online, is you know, give
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  Speaker 7: me another coach that means as much to another NHL team,
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  Speaker 7: And I think, like Britada, Moore just embodies what the
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  Speaker 7: Carolina Hurricanes are and has as a player, has as
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  Speaker 7: a coach. He is the living embodiment in the personification
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  Speaker 7: of the Carolina Hurricanes. And so it's a little harder
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  Speaker 7: to do that in Utah because there's only really two
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  Speaker 7: years of franchise history. But man, it's just him leading
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  Speaker 7: the way he does in him getting the buy in
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  Speaker 7: he gets. There's no questioning that what Rodd says they
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  Speaker 7: want to do, they want to accomplish. They look up
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  Speaker 7: to him as a player who won the Stanley Cup.
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  Speaker 7: And now you know, as a coach who's won the
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  Speaker 7: Stanley Cup, they believe and they always have in the blueprint.
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  Speaker 7: You know what they did a couple of things that
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  Speaker 7: we had talked about, just you know, being difficult to
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  Speaker 7: play against, but cutting down on the grade A scoring chances,
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  Speaker 7: taking care of their own end and they just found
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  Speaker 7: ways to score goals along the way. And that's that's
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  Speaker 7: how you win. And they went and picked up a
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  Speaker 7: Stanley Cup. They won sixteen games, and that formula again,
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  Speaker 7: I mean, it just really that is it starts with
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  Speaker 7: the coach.
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  Speaker 2: The Utah Mammoth don't have a thirty seven year old captain.
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  Speaker 2: They don't have a coach that won the Stanley Cup
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  Speaker 2: as a captain. And those levels of experience are in
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  Speaker 2: professional sports are impossible to replicate elsewhere. But you know,
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  Speaker 2: when when you've got what you do have and you
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  Speaker 2: have you know, Clayton Keller as your captain, you've got
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  Speaker 2: some of these guys who've been you know, they've skated
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  Speaker 2: in Stanley Cup finals, they've hoisted the cup in the past.
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  Speaker 2: How do you convey what it takes from from that,
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  Speaker 2: from the guys who've been there to the ones who
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  Speaker 2: have not even Carolina had to do that. Now, probably
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  Speaker 2: a little bit more direct when you're talking about Britda Moore,
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  Speaker 2: But how do the Mammoth try to achieve that?
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  Speaker 7: Sure? And that's and that is why when we talk about,
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  Speaker 7: you know on this program, hey, this is why winning
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  Speaker 7: in the American Hockey League matters. A Calder Cup run matters,
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  Speaker 7: a World championship, a World Junior championship matters. You really
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  Speaker 7: can't replicate it playing games in the regular season. So
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  Speaker 7: there's a there's a special thing, just a special you know,
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  Speaker 7: learning and understanding when you go through it. So that said,
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  Speaker 7: how do you impart that knowledge? You can talk about it.
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  Speaker 7: You can try to say, look, you can't imagine what
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  Speaker 7: it's going to ratchet up, like, what that intensity is
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  Speaker 7: going to be like. But now that Utah has been
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  Speaker 7: in a playoff round and they played a very good
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  Speaker 7: Vegas team and I felt gave him a good run,
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  Speaker 7: and if things had broken a little different, perhaps if
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  Speaker 7: they get past them, boy, we might be talking about
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  Speaker 7: a radically different postseason. But that's part of it, right,
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  Speaker 7: is those guys who have been there said, okay, we
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  Speaker 7: did this, well, we need to do this better. This
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  Speaker 7: is where the gap is and it's easy now for
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  Speaker 7: Utah because they're direct measurable. Was the team that went
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  Speaker 7: to the Stanley Cup final. So if you want to
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  Speaker 7: get to a Stanley Cup final, because once you're in it,
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  Speaker 7: you can win it. That is exactly what Utah is
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  Speaker 7: going to do is look back at that experience and
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  Speaker 7: try to not parlay that into Okay, what do we
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  Speaker 7: change about our game? What needs to be better? You know,
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  Speaker 7: what do we need to fix? And maybe, you know,
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  Speaker 7: do we need to change some things about our game
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  Speaker 7: plan and the way we go about it. So I
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  Speaker 7: think that for the Mammoth there's a lot to learn
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  Speaker 7: from the Hurricanes. But at the end of the day,
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  Speaker 7: what you're taking away from the Hurricanes winning the Stanley
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  Speaker 7: Cup is that they play a sound team game, they're
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  Speaker 7: deep from top to bottom, and they are just a
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  Speaker 7: very hard team to beat in any length of the series.
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  Speaker 1: Because we don't have the benefit of hindsight and we
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  Speaker 1: get to look back on the whole picture, how much
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  Speaker 1: of what Vegas accomplished in these playoffs was them overachieving
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  Speaker 1: through the playoffs. You know, their regular season record was
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  Speaker 1: not spectacular, and especially in terms of direct wins. So
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  Speaker 1: were they just overachieving up until the moment that they
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  Speaker 1: couldn't anymore.
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  Speaker 7: This is kind of the fun question for Vegas, isn't
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  Speaker 7: it Did they underachieve in the regular season or did
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  Speaker 7: they overachieve in the playoffs? Or is there the truth
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  Speaker 7: somewhere in the middle. And I think the truth is
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  Speaker 7: somewhere in the middle. I think they are a good team,
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  Speaker 7: and I think they did do well in the playoffs
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  Speaker 7: because the talent was there. Mitch Marner was awesome for
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  Speaker 7: a long stretch, although he kind of disappeared the last
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  Speaker 7: couple of games of the Cup fun but he carried
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  Speaker 7: them much in the way a Nick Schmaltz carried the
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  Speaker 7: Mammoth through some particular hot streaks, you know, during the
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  Speaker 7: NHL's regular season. I think Vegas number one maybe they
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  Speaker 7: needed that new voice in the locker room quite frankly,
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  Speaker 7: and nothing against Cassidy. I think he's an excellent coach.
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  Speaker 7: I just think that perhaps that message had probably got
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  Speaker 7: in a little stale. It was falling on deaf ears,
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  Speaker 7: and it just wasn't having the impact and the motivation
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  Speaker 7: that it had in the past. So you bring in Tortorella,
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  Speaker 7: who is a crack the whip guy.
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  Speaker 4: You know, walking in the door, you know what you're getting.
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  Speaker 7: But you also know as a player, he's got your back.
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  Speaker 7: So if you do what he asks, and he's gonna
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  Speaker 7: ask a lot, he's got your back. And I think
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  Speaker 7: that that freed them up to execute, And yeah, it
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  Speaker 7: sent a jewelt of energy into that room. Seven games
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  Speaker 7: or eight games rather before the end of the radular season,
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  Speaker 7: they won seven and they got into the playoffs. Got
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  Speaker 7: hot at the right time. Mitch Marner got hot at
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  Speaker 7: the right time, Carter Hart played well enough at the
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  Speaker 7: right time. They for the most part until the em
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  Speaker 7: when Carlson got hurt, they were injury career at least
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  Speaker 7: not so beat up. The guys were missing games or
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  Speaker 7: entire series. So you have to have a certain amount
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  Speaker 7: of luck. I think Vegas is still a very talented roster.
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  Speaker 7: I think they're getting old in certain places. But I
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  Speaker 7: think that they just underachieved a little bit during the
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  Speaker 7: regular season. They'd bring in the new voice and then yeah,
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  Speaker 7: the spark might have had them over achieving a little
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  Speaker 7: bit in the playoffs, but certainly, I mean, no one
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  Speaker 7: picked them to sweep Colorado No. One, and that was
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  Speaker 7: incredibly impressive.
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  Speaker 1: Tom Callahan talking Stanley Cup Final the NHL season post
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  Speaker 1: mortem a little bit here on the Sean O'Connell sit
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  Speaker 1: you mentioned towards and you know, a week ago he
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  Speaker 1: said he's going to be done after this Stanley Cup
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  Speaker 1: final with Vegas, which that statement by itself is just bananas.
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  Speaker 1: You get the job eight games before the regular season ends,
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  Speaker 1: you make this run, and while the series is still happening,
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  Speaker 1: you're like, I'll probably be done after this. I don't
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  Speaker 1: know why.
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  Speaker 2: But now he says he hasn't made a decision, and he's,
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  Speaker 2: you know, the futures up in the air. From the
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  Speaker 2: Tortorella side and from the Vegas side, what is the
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  Speaker 2: correct move here with that head coaching position in Vegas.
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  Speaker 7: I actually believe the initial intention was for him to
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  Speaker 7: only come in and finish up the year and give
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  Speaker 7: them a boost. I think that that might have been
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  Speaker 7: the first agreement, and a lot of different people I
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  Speaker 7: know around the league is basically said as much. But
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  Speaker 7: now if he wins the Stanley Cup he watched away,
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  Speaker 7: no problem. But now there's this of unfinished business. Now
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  Speaker 7: it stings. Now you lost the last three games, and
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  Speaker 7: now the competitive juices start to flow a little bit
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  Speaker 7: where you think, ah, we could have done better. I
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  Speaker 7: could have want to coup with this team, And that's
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  Speaker 7: your belief as a coach, right. If you don't believe
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  Speaker 7: that about yourself and the team you're coaching, why are
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  Speaker 7: you coaching? So I think that maybe a little bit
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  Speaker 7: of that is kicking in. I don't believe that was
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  Speaker 7: ever the plan. Let's keep Tortorella longer than get them
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  Speaker 7: through the playoffs, and Vegas is cocky enough to believe
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  Speaker 7: they should just win a Stanley Cup. That is that organization.
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  Speaker 7: That is how they treat things, which is really cool.
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  Speaker 7: If you're a Vegas fan, you just expect to win.
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  Speaker 7: They expect to win and their cupthroat about it. We've
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  Speaker 7: discussed that before on the program. But I really think
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  Speaker 7: that what's the odds were that Vegas was always going
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  Speaker 7: to move on from Tortorella. But now maybe both sides
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  Speaker 7: are kind of looking at each other going, well, should
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  Speaker 7: we at least have the conversation? And I believe they
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  Speaker 7: will have a conversation. It was never the original plan.
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  Speaker 7: Could I see him coming back for next year? Yeah? Maybe,
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  Speaker 7: I could, because I think he really works some magic
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  Speaker 7: with that lineup. But you know, I don't think that
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  Speaker 7: was the initial plan from the get go. I really
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  Speaker 7: do think he was just coming into the last you know, hey,
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  Speaker 7: get us into the playoffs, get us to the Cup,
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  Speaker 7: and win it.
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  Speaker 4: All.
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  Speaker 1: Right, let's assume that that is the plan.
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  Speaker 2: What's maybe a more long term Is there an obvious
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  Speaker 2: fit to be the next guy? If it's not towards
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  Speaker 2: is there an obvious fit to be whoever's next in Vegas?
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  Speaker 5: Still?
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  Speaker 7: Yes, And now you're gonna have me looking at this
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  Speaker 7: real quick, but I'm trying to come up with the name.
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  Speaker 7: But there's a guy in the organization who has I
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  Speaker 7: think he's forty three, and I'm trying to remember what
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  Speaker 7: his name is. But he's basically been a Vegas guy
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  Speaker 7: for life, and I think he's probably the direction they
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  Speaker 7: were looking at going in the first place. And now
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  Speaker 7: because Tortorella really what he did was he kind of
• 2:00:05
  Speaker 7: threw you know, gas on the fire by saying, yeah,
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  Speaker 7: maybe it's going to be me, you know, and when
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  Speaker 7: it wasn't going to be him. And so now that's
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  Speaker 7: why I think they've kind of looked at it, and
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  Speaker 7: I'm trying to look up real quick the guys and
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  Speaker 7: jog my memory. There is an answer to this, And geez,
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  Speaker 7: I wish I was better prepared to answer your question
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  Speaker 7: right now. I feel kind of do.
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  Speaker 1: No, you don't have put you on the spot.
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  Speaker 2: And the reason I ask is because you know, like
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  Speaker 2: there's there's a ripple effect in a lot of other
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  Speaker 2: leagues when you know a big job is open and
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  Speaker 2: there's a coaching change. If it's somebody internal like you're suggesting,
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  Speaker 2: then that ripple effect is usually a lot less pronounced.
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  Speaker 2: But the follow up there would be, you know, if
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  Speaker 2: you're in this mammoth organization, are you worried about you know,
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  Speaker 2: the Vegas coaching change potentially touching what you've got going
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  Speaker 2: on in your staff or your front office or anything else.
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  Speaker 7: Well, I think you always might be a little bit.
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  Speaker 7: And I don't think that that is a bad idea
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  Speaker 7: to think about that, because that is something where you know,
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  Speaker 7: maybe you think to yourself, well, you believe your guys
• 2:01:21
  Speaker 7: are good enough, right, You always want to believe your
• 2:01:23
  Speaker 7: assistant coaches are good enough to be head coaches. And
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  Speaker 7: I believe that in most situations, a team wouldn't necessarily
• 2:01:31
  Speaker 7: hold a guy back. Now, actually, we're seeing Vegas do
• 2:01:34
  Speaker 7: kind of exactly that to Capacity and some other members
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  Speaker 7: of their front office by not letting them talk to
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  Speaker 7: other teams about openings. But I think that that's an exception,
• 2:01:45
  Speaker 7: not the rule. I think if Utah if someone said, hey,
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  Speaker 7: we want to talk to so and so, I think
• 2:01:50
  Speaker 7: they would open that pathway forward them. And that's part
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  Speaker 7: of the game. You want your guys to grow, you
• 2:01:59
  Speaker 7: home hope that you hire guys who are smart enough
• 2:02:02
  Speaker 7: to all be head coaches, and that is exactly what
• 2:02:05
  Speaker 7: you would love to see. So now do I think
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  Speaker 7: anybody's going to come in and swoop on Utah staff.
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  Speaker 7: Not necessarily, because I think honestly there's going to be
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  Speaker 7: plenty of other candidates out there that will get hired
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  Speaker 7: ahead of that. But you know, maybe maybe one of
• 2:02:23
  Speaker 7: these days it wouldn't be beyond the realm of possibility
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  Speaker 7: that maybe in two three years we are talking about, Hey,
• 2:02:29
  Speaker 7: is Utah going to lose somebody to a head coaching
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  Speaker 7: job somewhere?
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  Speaker 1: All right, Tom, where does your where does your sports
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  Speaker 1: energy go? Now that the HL season is over?
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  Speaker 2: What I mean, is it attached temporarily to this World Cup,
• 2:02:43
  Speaker 2: or do you just find crazy obscure international stuff? What
• 2:02:47
  Speaker 2: do you what do you do with your hockey mind
• 2:02:50
  Speaker 2: now that the hockey season has given you a little reprieve.
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  Speaker 7: I absolutely am all in on the World Cup. I
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  Speaker 7: do love soccer. I actually got to call a couple
• 2:02:58
  Speaker 7: of seasons of soccer in Nashville and I lived out there.
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  Speaker 7: I enjoy the game a lot, So that's going to
• 2:03:05
  Speaker 7: be fun and I can't. I hope the US pulls
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  Speaker 7: it off and they look good in their opener. But
• 2:03:12
  Speaker 7: with hockey, it's not quite the twenty four to seven
• 2:03:15
  Speaker 7: news cycle of NFL football. But already the attention shifts
• 2:03:19
  Speaker 7: now to the draft coming up and then free agency
• 2:03:24
  Speaker 7: in early July, and what does the plan look like
• 2:03:28
  Speaker 7: for Utah? So my hockey mind immediately goes into looking
• 2:03:32
  Speaker 7: as it has been for the last little bit, but
• 2:03:34
  Speaker 7: even more so now more intensely looking ahead to that.
• 2:03:38
  Speaker 7: I will follow, you know, soccer throughout the summer. And
• 2:03:42
  Speaker 7: I am a big baseball nut. I know we never
• 2:03:45
  Speaker 7: really talk about this. I love the game of baseball.
• 2:03:47
  Speaker 7: So I was born and raised the Toronto Blue Jays fan,
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  Speaker 7: which is pretty foreign to everybody there, I know, but man,
• 2:03:54
  Speaker 7: I love baseball, so to me, now it's baseball season
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  Speaker 7: and I'm looking forward to tuning in and a bunch
• 2:04:00
  Speaker 7: of big matchups and I just love the game. I'll
• 2:04:03
  Speaker 7: watch almost anybody play.
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  Speaker 1: Do you have a horse in the race in the
• 2:04:07
  Speaker 1: World Cup? Besides US men's national team, is there an
• 2:04:10
  Speaker 1: obscure legion saleswhere.
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  Speaker 7: Man, you know what, like if a team like Ireland
• 2:04:18
  Speaker 7: or Poland, which is you know, my family's heritage, would
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  Speaker 7: sneak in, I would definitely root for them. Japan's fans
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  Speaker 7: are winning hards right now on social media. Yeah, and
• 2:04:27
  Speaker 7: them drawing the Netherlands was insane.
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  Speaker 1: It was awesome. It was a great game, a lot
• 2:04:31
  Speaker 1: of fun.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah, So I mean, hey, maybe maybe I'll, you know,
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  Speaker 7: pull for Japan. And then I always like watching the powers,
• 2:04:39
  Speaker 7: the world powers, because some years they're not as good
• 2:04:43
  Speaker 7: as everybody thinks they should be. And I kind of
• 2:04:45
  Speaker 7: think it's funny to watch the melt down around the
• 2:04:48
  Speaker 7: national teams if they're not as good as everybody thinks
• 2:04:50
  Speaker 7: they are. So and maybe that's because the US has
• 2:04:54
  Speaker 7: never been a world soccer power, so I don't know
• 2:04:57
  Speaker 7: what that's like. But I do enjoy follow hellowing the
• 2:05:00
  Speaker 7: big name teams just to see how it all goes.
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  Speaker 7: But yeah, maybe Japan. Maybe Japan's going to be my
• 2:05:05
  Speaker 7: sneaky one this year.
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  Speaker 1: All Right, I like it. Tom.
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  Speaker 2: Can't tell you how much we've appreciated all your contribution
• 2:05:10
  Speaker 2: throughout this NHL season, and we look to continue that
• 2:05:14
  Speaker 2: as we have more hockey to talk about sooner than later.
• 2:05:16
  Speaker 2: Draft right around the corner, like you said, so thanks
• 2:05:19
  Speaker 2: again for your time, sir.
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  Speaker 7: It's been a pleasure, and I just want to say
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  Speaker 7: to all the hockey fans there in Salt Lake, thank
• 2:05:25
  Speaker 7: you to those guys for you know, tuning in to
• 2:05:28
  Speaker 7: Lockdown Mammoth too. It's been a great season and absolutely
• 2:05:32
  Speaker 7: looking forward to getting back at it the fall.
• 2:05:35
  Speaker 2: Tom Callahan locked on Mammoth NHL Insider Friend of the
• 2:05:39
  Speaker 2: Program here on the Sean O'Connell show. By the way,
• 2:05:42
  Speaker 2: the way too early odds for the Stanley Cup in
• 2:05:45
  Speaker 2: twenty twenty six twenty twenty seven, Carolina the betting favorite
• 2:05:51
  Speaker 2: as they open the new odds, Colorado Avalanche just behind
• 2:05:55
  Speaker 2: Tampa Bay, Edmonton, Minnesota, Florida, Vegas, Audio Dallas, New Jersey, Anaheim,
• 2:06:03
  Speaker 2: Buffalo Montreal, LA. And then your Utah Mammoth plus three
• 2:06:09
  Speaker 2: thousand are the Utah Mammoth.
• 2:06:11
  Speaker 1: So wait, how far is that down? What team are
• 2:06:14
  Speaker 1: we saying there? You're about halfway.
• 2:06:16
  Speaker 10: Let's see, there's one two, fifteen or sixteenth? There seven, eight, nine, ten, eleven, twelve, thirteen, fourteenth.
• 2:06:23
  Speaker 10: They're fifteenth interesting, fifteenth in the odds, right in the
• 2:06:27
  Speaker 10: middle of the pack for the Stanley Cup.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, I guess that's kind of where I guess
• 2:06:32
  Speaker 3: you could say that's where they finished being one of
• 2:06:34
  Speaker 3: the sixteen teams that make the playoffs and they lose
• 2:06:36
  Speaker 3: in the first round there, But it feels like sleeping
• 2:06:40
  Speaker 3: on the mammoth a little bit too much. But I
• 2:06:42
  Speaker 3: mean there's not there's there's not a ton of reason
• 2:06:45
  Speaker 3: to be like they should be a higher Stanley Cup
• 2:06:47
  Speaker 3: favorite necessarily, but some tells me they're sleeping on the
• 2:06:52
  Speaker 3: mammoth a little bit.
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  Speaker 1: This sports books seventh.
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  Speaker 2: They're plus fourteen hundred to win the Western Conference. So
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  Speaker 2: seventh best odds in the Western Conference ands and uh yeah,
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  Speaker 2: that's that's how the sports book, that's how fan duel
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  Speaker 2: at least has of right now, that was the first
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  Speaker 2: one that came up when I hit the Google.
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  Speaker 1: All right, the.
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  Speaker 2: Longest odds right now belong to the Vancouver Canucks. They
• 2:07:14
  Speaker 2: are plus forty thousand, Seattle Krack in our plus twenty
• 2:07:19
  Speaker 2: five thousand, and Calgary Flames in that same boat.
• 2:07:22
  Speaker 1: So those are your prohibitive long shots. But Pacific Northwest not.
• 2:07:28
  Speaker 3: People aren't too high on those Pacific Northwest teams. I
• 2:07:33
  Speaker 3: guess or Edmonton's not in that group right there, but
• 2:07:35
  Speaker 3: everybody else is.
• 2:07:37
  Speaker 2: Carolina, Colorado, Tampa Bay your top three according to the
• 2:07:42
  Speaker 2: odds makers for next season. We'll be covering it closely
• 2:07:47
  Speaker 2: right here on the Sean O'Connell Show. All right, I've
• 2:07:50
  Speaker 2: done this on purpose. I have waited because I know
• 2:07:52
  Speaker 2: it's not everyone's cup of tea. Last night on Paramount,
• 2:08:00
  Speaker 2: the UFC hosted Freedom two fifty. If you did not
• 2:08:05
  Speaker 2: watch this, I'm gonna do my best to paint the picture.
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  Speaker 2: We have never seen a sporting event like this, not
• 2:08:12
  Speaker 2: just to fight like this, we have never ever seen
• 2:08:15
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  Speaker 2: All right, we're giving away some Father's Day Lagoon passes. Next,
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• 2:09:03
  Speaker 2: did you watch any of UFC Freedom two fifty at
• 2:09:08
  Speaker 2: the White House?
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  Speaker 1: I missed it. I was traveling back up the state
• 2:09:11
  Speaker 1: most of the day yesterday. Okay, unacceptable but also fine.
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  Speaker 1: Uh No, this was look I told you before in
• 2:09:19
  Speaker 1: the show. I'm the PFL guy.
• 2:09:21
  Speaker 2: We're chasing this juggernaut of the UFC. I want us
• 2:09:26
  Speaker 2: to be able to capture some of their market share.
• 2:09:29
  Speaker 2: What the UFC put on yesterday, now, how appropriate it
• 2:09:34
  Speaker 2: was or how politically correct it was is a completely
• 2:09:38
  Speaker 2: different question. But we have never ever ever seen a
• 2:09:41
  Speaker 2: sporting event like this, when a sporting spectacle like this one,
• 2:09:44
  Speaker 2: it was an exercise in surrealism just watching it. Like,
• 2:09:50
  Speaker 2: first of all, the ethics of or the legality of, like.
• 2:09:57
  Speaker 1: Gambling companies.
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  Speaker 2: Promoting their product on federal property on the White House lawn,
• 2:10:06
  Speaker 2: taxpayer funds funding the security, all that stuff is a
• 2:10:09
  Speaker 2: different conversation entirely. You had a fight card of some
• 2:10:15
  Speaker 2: of the top guys in the world. Like the first
• 2:10:17
  Speaker 2: fight on the on the card was Steve Garcia versus
• 2:10:20
  Speaker 2: Diego Lopez. It was the number nine ranked guy in
• 2:10:24
  Speaker 2: the featherweight division versus the number two ranked guy in
• 2:10:26
  Speaker 2: the featherweight division. That was the first fight on the card.
• 2:10:29
  Speaker 2: It was just all famous, dangerous people all the way
• 2:10:32
  Speaker 2: up and down the card. Interim heavyweight Championship in the
• 2:10:35
  Speaker 2: KO main event that was between a French guy and
• 2:10:37
  Speaker 2: a Brazilian guy, eh and then an undefeated champion. His
• 2:10:43
  Speaker 2: name is Elia Tapuria. He is Spanish of Georgian descent.
• 2:10:47
  Speaker 2: Republic of Georgia descent.
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  Speaker 1: Okay from he's not from Peachtree, He's not from Peachtree.
• 2:10:53
  Speaker 2: He is he was coming into the night. Why they
• 2:10:56
  Speaker 2: considered a top three active fighter in the world.
• 2:10:59
  Speaker 1: Okay, I love that.
• 2:11:00
  Speaker 3: Sorry, as on the quick as side, I do love
• 2:11:04
  Speaker 3: the Republic of Georgia juxtaposed to the State of Georgia
• 2:11:07
  Speaker 3: thing where.
• 2:11:08
  Speaker 1: You have to like, hey, hold on, I'm not talking
• 2:11:10
  Speaker 1: about it.
• 2:11:10
  Speaker 2: I'm not talking about it talking about Europe here, I'll
• 2:11:13
  Speaker 2: talking about the Republic of Georgia. So he's this and
• 2:11:15
  Speaker 2: by the way, he's like super handsome guy, speaks perfect English,
• 2:11:20
  Speaker 2: speaks perfect Spanish, speaks, speaks perfect Georgian, Russian, whatever. He's
• 2:11:25
  Speaker 2: like this really educated, polished individual. He was also last
• 2:11:29
  Speaker 2: night seventeen and oh coming into the fight, he was
• 2:11:32
  Speaker 2: the biggest betting favorite on the card. He was like
• 2:11:34
  Speaker 2: this huge, huge favorite lightweight championship of the world. He
• 2:11:42
  Speaker 2: is a guy who moved up from met featherweight. He
• 2:11:45
  Speaker 2: vacated his one hundred and forty five pound championships. So
• 2:11:48
  Speaker 2: he's one of I think only eleven guys who's ever
• 2:11:51
  Speaker 2: had two different championships.
• 2:11:53
  Speaker 1: And he's just like this freak.
• 2:11:55
  Speaker 2: Right, he's taking on Justin Gaechee, who he's actually been
• 2:11:58
  Speaker 2: on this show before. If you remember where we interviewed
• 2:12:00
  Speaker 2: Justin gai Chee when the UFC was coming to Salt
• 2:12:03
  Speaker 2: Lake Spence also interviewed Justin Gaichie. He was the guy
• 2:12:06
  Speaker 2: that they put forward to kind of do the promotion
• 2:12:09
  Speaker 2: for that main event when he fought Dustin Poier here
• 2:12:12
  Speaker 2: in Salt Lake City, ended up winning by head kick knockout.
• 2:12:15
  Speaker 2: Like all this crazy stuff was going on right, Justin
• 2:12:18
  Speaker 2: Gaichee is an ultimate fan favorite. He's the human highlight.
• 2:12:21
  Speaker 2: He was a huge underdog and he was like America's
• 2:12:24
  Speaker 2: hope for this card. Like that, all the other fights
• 2:12:28
  Speaker 2: where Americans were gonna win or lose were the American
• 2:12:32
  Speaker 2: was the underdog, or it was American versus American, in
• 2:12:35
  Speaker 2: which case it's a win win or a lose lose,
• 2:12:38
  Speaker 2: depending on which way you look at it.
• 2:12:39
  Speaker 1: But it was when it was.
• 2:12:40
  Speaker 2: The United States on the White House lawn versus another nation,
• 2:12:45
  Speaker 2: it was always underdogs.
• 2:12:46
  Speaker 1: Michael Chandler got destroyed. It was just it was not ideal.
• 2:12:50
  Speaker 2: Okay, Diego Lopez, this Garcia guy who's from New Mexico,
• 2:12:55
  Speaker 2: he was winning and then got knocked out by a
• 2:12:59
  Speaker 2: he's mex and Brazilian. Which it's not like USA versus
• 2:13:03
  Speaker 2: the world.
• 2:13:03
  Speaker 1: But you want there to be a prominent US win
• 2:13:06
  Speaker 1: on the White House lawn.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, like when it's when the things, when the event
• 2:13:10
  Speaker 3: is happening on the White House lawn and it's named
• 2:13:13
  Speaker 3: Freedom two fifty as in America to fifty celebration. It
• 2:13:18
  Speaker 3: doesn't feel right when all the Americans lose, right.
• 2:13:20
  Speaker 2: And so you get to this main event and Ilia
• 2:13:22
  Speaker 2: Toporia is this polished seventeen to zero multi division champion
• 2:13:28
  Speaker 2: who in back to back to back fights has knocked
• 2:13:31
  Speaker 2: out legends. He's taking on Justin Gaichie, who is amazing
• 2:13:37
  Speaker 2: but a big underdog for a reason.
• 2:13:41
  Speaker 1: And great first round.
• 2:13:44
  Speaker 2: Second round, Gaichie is barely surviving to Puria, just demolishes
• 2:13:50
  Speaker 2: his liver, hits him with so many nasty body shots,
• 2:13:53
  Speaker 2: wobbles in with a couple of right hands, and this
• 2:13:56
  Speaker 2: is after Gaichee's put in some nice offensive work. Gaichie
• 2:13:59
  Speaker 2: barely survey and makes it to the end of round
• 2:14:01
  Speaker 2: number two and then he takes over the fight and
• 2:14:05
  Speaker 2: for the next ten minutes we watch one of the
• 2:14:09
  Speaker 2: most unlikely upsets in the history of the sport on
• 2:14:12
  Speaker 2: the White House Lawn by an American who is super
• 2:14:17
  Speaker 2: pro America. He's very just like support the troops, like
• 2:14:23
  Speaker 2: Justin Gatchee is. He's not the guy that you're gonna
• 2:14:26
  Speaker 2: have right any kind of dissertation to you. He's a
• 2:14:29
  Speaker 2: very like red blooded American, kind of like he was
• 2:14:32
  Speaker 2: a college wrestler. He's a knucklehead fighter, but he's just
• 2:14:36
  Speaker 2: like red, white and blue all the way, right. And
• 2:14:38
  Speaker 2: this dude comes through pulverizes Elia to Pouria's face, beats
• 2:14:44
  Speaker 2: him to where he can't see anymore. The doctor almost
• 2:14:47
  Speaker 2: stops it between round three and four. They make it
• 2:14:50
  Speaker 2: to the end of round four and it's over where
• 2:14:54
  Speaker 2: they're not fighting anymore.
• 2:14:55
  Speaker 1: To Poria goes back to his corner. His brother and
• 2:14:58
  Speaker 1: his coach are in his corner and they're like, it's finished.
• 2:15:00
  Speaker 1: Can't do it anymore.
• 2:15:01
  Speaker 2: I mean, he's I imagine he is sitting in a
• 2:15:05
  Speaker 2: hospital today or he's probably got let out of the
• 2:15:07
  Speaker 2: hospital because he's PROBA mostly superficial damage. But I would
• 2:15:10
  Speaker 2: be amazed if his eyes are able to open it all.
• 2:15:13
  Speaker 2: He was that swollen. And this is a guy who's
• 2:15:16
  Speaker 2: been untouchable, and gae Chee just digs deep and becomes
• 2:15:20
  Speaker 2: this American hero.
• 2:15:22
  Speaker 1: He should retire. He's thirty seven years old. He should
• 2:15:24
  Speaker 1: retire on the spot.
• 2:15:25
  Speaker 2: He becomes undisputed lightweight champion for the first time in
• 2:15:28
  Speaker 2: his career. He's a guy who's had great moments, legendary moments.
• 2:15:32
  Speaker 2: He's also been knocked out in like some of the
• 2:15:34
  Speaker 2: most heartbreaking moments.
• 2:15:35
  Speaker 1: He's had this incredible highlight career.
• 2:15:38
  Speaker 2: And to try to like even zoom out and understand
• 2:15:43
  Speaker 2: exactly what this event was.
• 2:15:44
  Speaker 1: Again, it's on the White House lawn. It's military.
• 2:15:50
  Speaker 2: The Marine band is there playing the walkout songs for everybody, James,
• 2:15:56
  Speaker 2: when you are when you're warming up in the of
• 2:16:00
  Speaker 2: an arena, you're in a locker room. They put wrestling
• 2:16:03
  Speaker 2: mats down on the floor. Your your team is in
• 2:16:06
  Speaker 2: there with you. There's some folding chairs or they're sitting
• 2:16:09
  Speaker 2: in the lockers. If you're in like a real locker room,
• 2:16:11
  Speaker 2: you do your warm up thing whatever. Then you walk
• 2:16:13
  Speaker 2: out through the tunnels and you walk into the cage
• 2:16:16
  Speaker 2: and you fight. Right in this fight, they walked out
• 2:16:20
  Speaker 2: onto the White House veranda, walked down the stairs onto
• 2:16:25
  Speaker 2: the lawn and into the cage. They're walking past President,
• 2:16:29
  Speaker 2: first Lady, the whole Trump family, every political dignitary. You
• 2:16:34
  Speaker 2: could possibly imagine. The wildest thing I have ever seen
• 2:16:37
  Speaker 2: in my life. So, fighters, you can't put all the
• 2:16:42
  Speaker 2: fighters in the same locker room, right, So fighters are like,
• 2:16:45
  Speaker 2: you three are in this locker room.
• 2:16:47
  Speaker 1: You three are in this locker room. The guy you
• 2:16:49
  Speaker 1: fight is obviously in a different locker room. Whatever.
• 2:16:51
  Speaker 2: For the main card, for the comin event. In the
• 2:16:55
  Speaker 2: main event, they were in like like legendary rooms. What
• 2:17:03
  Speaker 2: the bedrooms. They walked out of the Oval Office onto
• 2:17:09
  Speaker 2: the porch and into the cage like they staged them
• 2:17:14
  Speaker 2: in the Oval Office. You're watching Justin Gaichee walk out
• 2:17:19
  Speaker 2: of the Oval Office into an octagon to fight. You're
• 2:17:23
  Speaker 2: watching Elia Toporia, who is not an American, standing alone
• 2:17:28
  Speaker 2: in the Oval Office by himself, with the cameras on him,
• 2:17:32
  Speaker 2: and then the cameraman starts to walk backwards and.
• 2:17:34
  Speaker 1: Elio Toporia is walking out of the Oval Office. It
• 2:17:37
  Speaker 1: was It was bananas, just this insane spectacle that belongs
• 2:17:43
  Speaker 1: in a movie.
• 2:17:44
  Speaker 2: And I wanted so desperately for there to be like
• 2:17:47
  Speaker 2: it rained there The cards started late because of a
• 2:17:51
  Speaker 2: rain delay, which why how are you doing this outside?
• 2:17:55
  Speaker 2: I wanted desperately for there to be like some oh
• 2:17:58
  Speaker 2: this card stinks. They were all boring fights. It was
• 2:18:03
  Speaker 2: the most theatrical, wild, unexplainable spectacle of combat sport I
• 2:18:14
  Speaker 2: have ever seen, and it happened. It finished with this
• 2:18:18
  Speaker 2: incredible American Cinderella story where a guy who is one
• 2:18:22
  Speaker 2: of the most he's your favorite fighter's favorite fighter. He's
• 2:18:24
  Speaker 2: one of these like beloved combat sports legends who's been
• 2:18:29
  Speaker 2: through all of it. Did he grabs an undisputed belt
• 2:18:32
  Speaker 2: for the first time in his career in a fight
• 2:18:34
  Speaker 2: where he's eight years older than his opponent. He's knocking
• 2:18:38
  Speaker 2: on the door of probably aging out of the sport.
• 2:18:41
  Speaker 2: He probably should walk away on this high note. I
• 2:18:43
  Speaker 2: don't know that he's a smart enough guy that he's
• 2:18:45
  Speaker 2: going to do that, but it was just and he
• 2:18:48
  Speaker 2: was Nobody thought he was gonna win in the If
• 2:18:50
  Speaker 2: you're watching in the second round, you think the fight
• 2:18:52
  Speaker 2: could have been stopped like three times. Thankfully, the referee
• 2:18:55
  Speaker 2: let it keep going because he realized the stakes of
• 2:18:58
  Speaker 2: this thing. And then the wildest thing about it, he's
• 2:19:03
  Speaker 2: celebrating his victory. Joe Rogan comes in to talk to him,
• 2:19:06
  Speaker 2: and then the next person to shake his hand, and
• 2:19:10
  Speaker 2: the cameras are just watching all this while they're the
• 2:19:13
  Speaker 2: commentary is kind of like wrapping things up. He's standing
• 2:19:16
  Speaker 2: there talking to Donald Trump Milania Trump.
• 2:19:19
  Speaker 1: His parents are in the cage with him.
• 2:19:21
  Speaker 2: He introduces his mom to the first lady. Oh, my
• 2:19:25
  Speaker 2: mom's a big fan of yours. It's like, what is
• 2:19:28
  Speaker 2: happening here? And the White House is in the background.
• 2:19:32
  Speaker 2: Never again will we see something like this. No other
• 2:19:35
  Speaker 2: president would ever even deign to do something like that
• 2:19:39
  Speaker 2: on the White House property. But the UFC of all things,
• 2:19:45
  Speaker 2: Mma of all sports. Like, if he wanted to play
• 2:19:47
  Speaker 2: a March Madness game on a temporary court set up
• 2:19:50
  Speaker 2: on the White House a long, They've done it on
• 2:19:52
  Speaker 2: aircraft carriers and things like that, we'd be like, Okay,
• 2:19:55
  Speaker 2: a baseball game out there on the National Mall. We'd
• 2:19:57
  Speaker 2: be like, yeah, this is America's pastime. Hey fight on
• 2:20:01
  Speaker 2: the front lawn of the White House. It was surreal.
• 2:20:05
  Speaker 2: It was bananas.
• 2:20:06
  Speaker 1: And for as someone who's been like so deeply involved
• 2:20:09
  Speaker 1: in this sport, I was just blown away by the
• 2:20:12
  Speaker 1: whole thing and the fact that it ended with an
• 2:20:14
  Speaker 1: American pulling off the upset and then his postfight. He's
• 2:20:17
  Speaker 1: just like, you know, I was a six to one
• 2:20:19
  Speaker 1: underdog two hundred and fifty years ago. The United States
• 2:20:23
  Speaker 1: was a much bigger underdog than that. And of course
• 2:20:25
  Speaker 1: all the military people in attendance.
• 2:20:28
  Speaker 5: We were.
• 2:20:28
  Speaker 8: It was amazing.
• 2:20:30
  Speaker 1: I I don't know, there's no point here.
• 2:20:33
  Speaker 2: I'm just telling you, if you didn't watch it, find
• 2:20:38
  Speaker 2: the person in your life that has a paramount subscription
• 2:20:41
  Speaker 2: and go watch at least that main event and go
• 2:20:44
  Speaker 2: watch just the complete absurdity and sort of like Simpson's episode,
• 2:20:50
  Speaker 2: wildness of it all.
• 2:20:53
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and you you said it never gonna happen again.
• 2:20:57
  Speaker 3: Dana White said as much. ESPN published an article saying
• 2:21:02
  Speaker 3: he's like that we can't afford to pull something like
• 2:21:05
  Speaker 3: that off again. It's it's how he said it, but
• 2:21:07
  Speaker 3: then he said it wasn't it was an incredible success,
• 2:21:10
  Speaker 3: all that stuff. Yeah, I reading about the press conference
• 2:21:17
  Speaker 3: at didn't they do the press conference at the Lincoln
• 2:21:19
  Speaker 3: Memorial Free fight too? Like obviously we're not going to
• 2:21:24
  Speaker 3: get into all of the potentially problematic reasons why that's problematic. Look,
• 2:21:30
  Speaker 3: but it's it's quite the spectacle, that's for sure.
• 2:21:35
  Speaker 2: I mean it's just it is bred and circus like
• 2:21:39
  Speaker 2: the Roman Empire.
• 2:21:40
  Speaker 1: It is the wildly, it is the wild.
• 2:21:42
  Speaker 2: I mean, the flyover was just as visually stunning as
• 2:21:46
  Speaker 2: you're gonna find. It was the Blue Angels and the
• 2:21:49
  Speaker 2: Thunderbirds like information together perfectly straight over.
• 2:21:55
  Speaker 1: The the uh, the Washington Memorial.
• 2:21:58
  Speaker 2: I mean it's you're like, you could not write something
• 2:22:02
  Speaker 2: more insane for an animated movie, and it was actually happening.
• 2:22:06
  Speaker 3: Yeah, You're right, it does feel very Simpson family guy
• 2:22:10
  Speaker 3: ish now the way that you're describing it.
• 2:22:12
  Speaker 1: And you know what else just popped into my head.
• 2:22:15
  Speaker 3: So Rocky popped in my head a couple of times
• 2:22:17
  Speaker 3: when you talked about how mangled the Spider's face was. Yeah,
• 2:22:22
  Speaker 3: I'm thinking about I'm thinking about cut me, Mick. I'm
• 2:22:25
  Speaker 3: thinking about the end of Rocky one or the end
• 2:22:29
  Speaker 3: of Rocky one, start of Rocky two when when he
• 2:22:31
  Speaker 3: and Apollo were in the hospital and their face you
• 2:22:34
  Speaker 3: can't even recognize them because they're so bad, their faces
• 2:22:37
  Speaker 3: are so badly beaten in I'm thinking of that from
• 2:22:40
  Speaker 3: Rocky and now just now I'm thinking about the Living
• 2:22:43
  Speaker 3: in America James Brown scene in Rocky for how that
• 2:22:47
  Speaker 3: how crazy that spectacle.
• 2:22:49
  Speaker 1: Was, and that wouldn't even not even close close to
• 2:22:52
  Speaker 1: what this is.
• 2:22:52
  Speaker 3: And it's it's fitting that that would be a Vegas
• 2:22:55
  Speaker 3: interpretation of what this was.
• 2:22:58
  Speaker 1: It just go watch it. And again, I'm not the
• 2:23:01
  Speaker 1: guy who wants the UFC to have this level of
• 2:23:04
  Speaker 1: success like the more Squell. I guess that's debatable, but
• 2:23:09
  Speaker 1: it was. I mean, there were some moments that.
• 2:23:11
  Speaker 2: Were incredibly awkward, like at the start of the event,
• 2:23:14
  Speaker 2: Donald Trump and Dana White walked out together like, well,
• 2:23:18
  Speaker 2: walk like this red carpet, and it was like it
• 2:23:21
  Speaker 2: was like a three and a half minute walk.
• 2:23:23
  Speaker 1: Could he start closer? It was.
• 2:23:26
  Speaker 2: It was so like you could see that Dana White
• 2:23:28
  Speaker 2: was kind of having that realization as he's walking, like.
• 2:23:32
  Speaker 1: Oh no, we should rehearse this maybe and rehearsal you know.
• 2:23:35
  Speaker 2: It was but there was some there was some controversy
• 2:23:38
  Speaker 2: with a betting question allegedly from somebody to somebody that
• 2:23:43
  Speaker 2: looked like there was maybe some fixing trying to but
• 2:23:45
  Speaker 2: but go watch just either to laugh at it or
• 2:23:50
  Speaker 2: to just revel in the most like stripped down, unabashed,
• 2:23:56
  Speaker 2: just apostrophe America, just like like the most It was
• 2:24:02
  Speaker 2: the most simultaneously the most sophisticated, complicated, expensive event that
• 2:24:07
  Speaker 2: the White House has ever put on while also being
• 2:24:09
  Speaker 2: like the most redneck thing that could ever happen.
• 2:24:13
  Speaker 1: And it was just glorious. Man.
• 2:24:15
  Speaker 2: I was in awe watching the whole thing and secretly
• 2:24:20
  Speaker 2: kind of hoping for something negative to happen, and it didn't.
• 2:24:24
  Speaker 2: It just was great fight after great fight and an
• 2:24:27
  Speaker 2: ending that you could not have scripted better.
• 2:24:30
  Speaker 1: Bananas We love our guy.
• 2:24:33
  Speaker 3: Justin Gaechee for Carrie literally carrying the flag for the
• 2:24:37
  Speaker 3: rest of the nation in that event he did and
• 2:24:40
  Speaker 3: double bonus.
• 2:24:41
  Speaker 2: He got Fight of the Night and Performance at the Night,
• 2:24:43
  Speaker 2: and those had been ratcheted up by some sponsor deal,
• 2:24:46
  Speaker 2: so he got an eight and twenty five thousand dollars
• 2:24:49
  Speaker 2: bonus on top of whatever he made to be the
• 2:24:51
  Speaker 2: main event champion. That's amazing, great for him. I think, Okay,
• 2:24:56
  Speaker 2: I'm gonna end it here. I think what's gonna happen
• 2:24:59
  Speaker 2: Justin gai Chee would be it would be in his
• 2:25:01
  Speaker 2: best interest probably to retire on this high note. It
• 2:25:04
  Speaker 2: can't get any better than this. But Connor McGregor is
• 2:25:09
  Speaker 2: coming back next month. He's fighting a guy named Max Holloway,
• 2:25:12
  Speaker 2: who's the Hawaiian one of my probably my favorite fighter ever.
• 2:25:14
  Speaker 1: He's amazing.
• 2:25:16
  Speaker 2: If Connor McGregor beats Max Holloway, Connor doesn't have to
• 2:25:20
  Speaker 2: play by the rules.
• 2:25:21
  Speaker 1: You know what I mean.
• 2:25:22
  Speaker 2: He doesn't have to like actually fight his way to
• 2:25:24
  Speaker 2: number one contender because he's Connor McGregor. If Justin Geechee
• 2:25:27
  Speaker 2: just wants one more massive payday before he retires, he
• 2:25:32
  Speaker 2: should be rooting for Connor McGregor to win, and then
• 2:25:35
  Speaker 2: he should say, all right, I will fight Connor McGregor
• 2:25:38
  Speaker 2: and that'll be my That'll be the end, because that
• 2:25:41
  Speaker 2: the way that those two guys fight, they're both big
• 2:25:43
  Speaker 2: time knockout artists. That would be the ultimate sellout, the
• 2:25:47
  Speaker 2: ultimate pay per view, which doesn't exist anymore, but it
• 2:25:49
  Speaker 2: could be the big, big, big payday that would cap
• 2:25:52
  Speaker 2: off what has been a great career for Justin.
• 2:25:54
  Speaker 3: Gee Chee helped the UFC payoff their debts to throw
• 2:25:57
  Speaker 3: this this incredible.
• 2:26:00
  Speaker 2: Well, that's the thing Dana White complained about what it
• 2:26:03
  Speaker 2: was like sixty million dollars out of the UFC's pocket
• 2:26:06
  Speaker 2: to put on this event. They get one point one
• 2:26:11
  Speaker 2: billion dollars per year from Paramount in their broadcast deal.
• 2:26:15
  Speaker 1: Sixty million bucks is a rounding error for them, so
• 2:26:17
  Speaker 1: they're fine.
• 2:26:19
  Speaker 3: I have an idea of how the PFL can try
• 2:26:21
  Speaker 3: to top this. Okay, Independence Hall baby fighting on.
• 2:26:29
  Speaker 1: The table where they signed the Declaration of independence.
• 2:26:34
  Speaker 8: They are John Hancock's signature is.
• 2:26:37
  Speaker 1: On the mat. You know.
• 2:26:39
  Speaker 2: I actually I would love if Combat Sports did so
• 2:26:45
  Speaker 2: earlier this year. I don't know, people don't pay that
• 2:26:47
  Speaker 2: much attention. Alexander Usik fought Wreek over Hoban so World
• 2:26:52
  Speaker 2: Boxing Champion versus World Kickboxing Champion. They fought in Giza, Egypt.
• 2:26:59
  Speaker 2: The background of that fight was the Pyramids, that's right.
• 2:27:03
  Speaker 2: And then a couple months later, the background of these
• 2:27:05
  Speaker 2: fights was the White House. You know when you were
• 2:27:09
  Speaker 2: a kid and he used to play Street Fighter or
• 2:27:11
  Speaker 2: Mortal Kombat and he would always be in these like
• 2:27:14
  Speaker 2: crazy backdrops. There's like a volcano back there, there's dinosaurs.
• 2:27:18
  Speaker 2: It's like, I want all combat sports to be this
• 2:27:21
  Speaker 2: from now on. That's what we in the PFL need
• 2:27:23
  Speaker 2: to do. Just be like all right, uh, we're fighting
• 2:27:26
  Speaker 2: in front of Mount Rushmore, Baby, let's go. I just
• 2:27:29
  Speaker 2: will tower have it be just like a really cool
• 2:27:32
  Speaker 2: backdrop every time. But apparently it's too expensive. All right, Uh,
• 2:27:36
  Speaker 2: we'll give away some lagoon passes. We'll do the little
• 2:27:38
  Speaker 2: cross talk.
• 2:27:39
  Speaker 1: It's to Sean O'Connell show, wrapping up next on ESPN
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• 2:28:04
  Speaker 1: Lagoon passes.
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  Speaker 2: Father's Day. If you can answer this question, Cape Verd
• 2:28:24
  Speaker 2: played Spain to a nil nil draw today in the
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  Speaker 2: World Cup. Where does Cape vered rank in terms of
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  Speaker 2: population size in this year's field of World Cup teams?
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  Speaker 2: Eight seven seven three five three zero seven hundred. We
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• 2:29:01
  Speaker 2: here in studio celebrating a New York Knicks championship Spen's Chickens.
• 2:29:09
  Speaker 1: Hi, Hello, how are you great? Good?
• 2:29:14
  Speaker 11: I can be the first to admit when New York
• 2:29:16
  Speaker 11: wins something, it gets to be a.
• 2:29:17
  Speaker 1: Little bit extra sure.
• 2:29:19
  Speaker 11: So uh, and we're going to talk today about why
• 2:29:23
  Speaker 11: I think what the Knicks just did is really good
• 2:29:26
  Speaker 11: news for the Utah Jazz. Well, I mean, if you
• 2:29:28
  Speaker 11: think about it through on their entire roster, the Knicks
• 2:29:33
  Speaker 11: have one, maybe two players that anybody ever thought was
• 2:29:37
  Speaker 11: going to be like a legitimate star.
• 2:29:39
  Speaker 1: One maybe two. One is Kat.
• 2:29:41
  Speaker 11: When Kat was in college, scouts are like, he's as
• 2:29:44
  Speaker 11: unique as we've ever seen for a guy that size.
• 2:29:46
  Speaker 11: And the other is og At Indiana, you know, with
• 2:29:49
  Speaker 11: his measurables. Big Wing won a championship, although it didn't
• 2:29:53
  Speaker 11: play during that Raptors run because he was hurt. The
• 2:29:56
  Speaker 11: rest of these guys are cast offs. Jalen was a
• 2:29:58
  Speaker 11: second round pick, has been traded two times at least.
• 2:30:03
  Speaker 11: Josh Hart was almost out of the league. So you know,
• 2:30:07
  Speaker 11: up until this point, I think we've only had one
• 2:30:09
  Speaker 11: example in modern da NBA history of a team that's
• 2:30:12
  Speaker 11: won a championship without Kobe or Lebron or Michael or whoever,
• 2:30:16
  Speaker 11: and that was Detroit in two thousand and four. They
• 2:30:19
  Speaker 11: won fifteen of their final sixteen playoff games and their
• 2:30:22
  Speaker 11: net was plus two eighty three. That's an NBA record.
• 2:30:26
  Speaker 11: Nobody picked them to win. I didn't think they would
• 2:30:28
  Speaker 11: win because I'm a Knick fan and they never win.
• 2:30:31
  Speaker 11: But most smart basketball people picked san Antonio. You remember
• 2:30:35
  Speaker 11: Sean the Western Conference finals. Ye, people were saying this
• 2:30:37
  Speaker 11: is the NBA final. Yeah, So if you're a Jazz
• 2:30:40
  Speaker 11: fan right now, there's an argument to be made that
• 2:30:44
  Speaker 11: before this run, if you looked at the Jazz roster
• 2:30:48
  Speaker 11: with the number two pick and the Knicks roster and
• 2:30:50
  Speaker 11: put them together, there's an argument to be made that
• 2:30:53
  Speaker 11: the Jazz actually would have had a lot of people
• 2:30:56
  Speaker 11: pick their personnel if san Antonio won. It would have
• 2:31:00
  Speaker 11: just fit the narrative that, Okay, whichever team has the
• 2:31:03
  Speaker 11: best players typically going to win this thing. But the
• 2:31:06
  Speaker 11: fact that the Knicks just did what they did, I
• 2:31:08
  Speaker 11: actually think it's really good news for Jazz fans hoping
• 2:31:11
  Speaker 11: to see their day one day.
• 2:31:12
  Speaker 1: Well, even if you were just a fan of watching
• 2:31:15
  Speaker 1: fun sports. It was a great NBA playoff and a
• 2:31:19
  Speaker 1: really cool series at the end, and we learned a
• 2:31:21
  Speaker 1: lot about what san Antonio still is not.
• 2:31:26
  Speaker 2: They're gonna be all the things that you expect them
• 2:31:28
  Speaker 2: to be at some point, but what they are not
• 2:31:30
  Speaker 2: yet is ready and so that was it was cool
• 2:31:33
  Speaker 2: to see all of this. And we had World Cup
• 2:31:34
  Speaker 2: action this weekend. Did you catch any of UFC Freedom
• 2:31:39
  Speaker 2: two fifty.
• 2:31:40
  Speaker 11: I heard you talking about it on the way in,
• 2:31:42
  Speaker 11: and it may not surprise you to learn that I
• 2:31:46
  Speaker 11: elected to do other things with my time.
• 2:31:48
  Speaker 1: Well, bad decision.
• 2:31:50
  Speaker 11: Well just real quick, justin Gathee, fan of the show's
• 2:31:53
  Speaker 11: right in studio guests saw the highlights of his fight
• 2:31:56
  Speaker 11: and then some of the other things that were going
• 2:31:58
  Speaker 11: around social media were.
• 2:32:00
  Speaker 2: There was a couple of things that were super not great,
• 2:32:03
  Speaker 2: but as a fight fan, I'll see to you most
• 2:32:06
  Speaker 2: of it was just fun to watch as long as
• 2:32:10
  Speaker 2: you could get over the absurdity. And like I am
• 2:32:13
  Speaker 2: one who is very successful at separating political crap from sports,
• 2:32:18
  Speaker 2: you have to be these days, you almost couldn't because
• 2:32:21
  Speaker 2: it's on the White House lawn, right. But as far
• 2:32:24
  Speaker 2: as what could have happened there versus what actually did happen,
• 2:32:29
  Speaker 2: it was it went as smoothly as it could have
• 2:32:31
  Speaker 2: I think for the UFC, which might not be good
• 2:32:34
  Speaker 2: for the PFL, but whatever it at the end of
• 2:32:37
  Speaker 2: the day, it was just one of those things where
• 2:32:40
  Speaker 2: you gotta watch, like if you can go find and
• 2:32:43
  Speaker 2: watch the final fight, just because it was an unbelievable
• 2:32:46
  Speaker 2: fight and it capped off a really absurd evening with
• 2:32:49
  Speaker 2: a an American like, I don't know Cinderella's story.
• 2:32:55
  Speaker 1: For lack of a better term, it is pretty neat.
• 2:32:57
  Speaker 11: Okay, I just under how many times Donald Trump wakes
• 2:33:03
  Speaker 11: up and he's like, dude, Eric, come on, man, like,
• 2:33:07
  Speaker 11: of all the stuff that goes on in that whole
• 2:33:11
  Speaker 11: group posse, even Donald Trump at times to you like, dude, Eric, did,
• 2:33:15
  Speaker 11: what will you.
• 2:33:16
  Speaker 1: Get Eric in here again?
• 2:33:18
  Speaker 4: Please?
• 2:33:19
  Speaker 2: If you're wondering what Spence is referencing Daniel Cormier, who
• 2:33:23
  Speaker 2: is a multiple time UFC champion. He is a the
• 2:33:27
  Speaker 2: color analyst on all their major fights alongside Joe, Rogan
• 2:33:31
  Speaker 2: posted a text thread between himself and Eric Trump on
• 2:33:36
  Speaker 2: his official Twitter account, Yeah, with Eric Trump basically asking
• 2:33:40
  Speaker 2: if any of the fights were rigged, is anyone hurt
• 2:33:43
  Speaker 2: that we don't know about? Asking for inside betting tips,
• 2:33:46
  Speaker 2: and Corpier's responses in the posted thread, We're just like,
• 2:33:50
  Speaker 2: why are you asking me this? This is appalling, basically,
• 2:33:54
  Speaker 2: And then that tweet was deleted and then everyone said
• 2:34:00
  Speaker 2: to be like, oh, that was fake.
• 2:34:01
  Speaker 1: It was totally faked.
• 2:34:02
  Speaker 2: And then everyone else was just like, well, how did
• 2:34:05
  Speaker 2: someone fake a text thread between these two guys and
• 2:34:08
  Speaker 2: put it on Daniel Cormier's account, which is possible, I'm sure,
• 2:34:14
  Speaker 2: but in any case, it was that was one of
• 2:34:17
  Speaker 2: the one of the black marks on the night, if
• 2:34:19
  Speaker 2: there is one. There's actually a couple more that. Because
• 2:34:23
  Speaker 2: I don't want to get overly political, I'm not going
• 2:34:25
  Speaker 2: to get into but.
• 2:34:28
  Speaker 1: For all the.
• 2:34:28
  Speaker 2: Disasters that could have unfolded, I mean, if it had
• 2:34:32
  Speaker 2: been a basketball game, right, if Donald Trump had said
• 2:34:35
  Speaker 2: we're playing Game seven of the NBA Finals on the
• 2:34:38
  Speaker 2: White House lawn, Everyone's been.
• 2:34:39
  Speaker 1: Like, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.
• 2:34:40
  Speaker 2: Yeah, this is way too problematic, and the fact that
• 2:34:43
  Speaker 2: they pulled it off is pretty remarkable.
• 2:34:45
  Speaker 11: Well, I'm quite sure that only the UFC would have
• 2:34:48
  Speaker 11: agreed to do it. No other league would have done it,
• 2:34:51
  Speaker 11: No other team would have wanted to show up, right,
• 2:34:53
  Speaker 11: I mean there was even a couple of MMA bros
• 2:34:56
  Speaker 11: that I don't know that were releasing videos like if
• 2:34:59
  Speaker 11: they would have been invited, would they have shown up?
• 2:35:01
  Speaker 11: And they said no, this is the perfect event for
• 2:35:06
  Speaker 11: the current White House situation to have occurred there.
• 2:35:10
  Speaker 8: Correct, Our guy Shane.
• 2:35:11
  Speaker 1: Gillis was there.
• 2:35:12
  Speaker 11: He was posting some pretty I love that dude, fun.
• 2:35:15
  Speaker 11: So I did not see many of the fights, but yeah,
• 2:35:18
  Speaker 11: like of all of the absurd things that take place
• 2:35:20
  Speaker 11: in the Trump family, the absurdity of Eric's decisions have
• 2:35:24
  Speaker 11: always caught me a little bit extra off card.
• 2:35:26
  Speaker 1: If you had if you had told anyone in the
• 2:35:28
  Speaker 1: MMA world ten years ago, much less thirty when it
• 2:35:32
  Speaker 1: all was beginning, someday the main event fighters in a
• 2:35:37
  Speaker 1: big time UFC event are going to be walking out
• 2:35:39
  Speaker 1: of the Oval office onto the field of play. Basically
• 2:35:45
  Speaker 1: would have been like, what are you talking about?
• 2:35:46
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's not even something you could believably script in
• 2:35:49
  Speaker 2: a Hollywood movie.
• 2:35:51
  Speaker 1: We watched it.
• 2:35:52
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it happened last night. That is beyond I am
• 2:35:56
  Speaker 2: still at a loss. It's my job to talk about things.
• 2:35:59
  Speaker 2: I'm still at a loss in finding the right words
• 2:36:02
  Speaker 2: to truly describe how insane it is that that actually happened.
• 2:36:06
  Speaker 11: You had reference that McGregor is coming back to fight.
• 2:36:09
  Speaker 2: McGregor's fighting Max Holloway in July. I thought that dude
• 2:36:13
  Speaker 2: was in a heap of trouble. Dude, He's been in
• 2:36:14
  Speaker 2: a heap of trouble so many times again. The UFC
• 2:36:19
  Speaker 2: is not the type of organization that cares you know,
• 2:36:22
  Speaker 2: and by the way, Neil Latrosh, doctor doctor Latrosh being
• 2:36:29
  Speaker 2: dragged in one very tiny corner of the media because
• 2:36:33
  Speaker 2: he repaired Connor McGregor's leg when he had his terrible
• 2:36:36
  Speaker 2: leg breaks. He did the surgery to repair the leg
• 2:36:39
  Speaker 2: and then, according to some investigative journalism, prescribed heavy regimen
• 2:36:45
  Speaker 2: of performance enhancing drugs for the injury recovery process, and
• 2:36:49
  Speaker 2: that led Connor to be about two hundred pounds and
• 2:36:52
  Speaker 2: starring opposite Jake Gillenhull in a Roadhouse remake and continuing
• 2:36:57
  Speaker 2: his absurd behavior and all that stuff. But now he's back,
• 2:37:00
  Speaker 2: and he's back in the testing pool, and he's fighting
• 2:37:03
  Speaker 2: Max Holloway, who's an absolute legend.
• 2:37:04
  Speaker 11: And you think there's a shot that gaythey might get
• 2:37:06
  Speaker 11: a shot at McGregor.
• 2:37:07
  Speaker 2: Well'd if I'm justin Gaechee. What I'm saying is he's
• 2:37:11
  Speaker 2: thirty seven. The other guys that are in title contention
• 2:37:15
  Speaker 2: in that division are young killers, terrible matchups, right, I
• 2:37:20
  Speaker 2: want a big money fight.
• 2:37:22
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Now I'm the champion. I'm gonna say I got
• 2:37:25
  Speaker 1: maybe one more fight.
• 2:37:26
  Speaker 2: If I were him, I'd retire now because that's as
• 2:37:29
  Speaker 2: high a note as you're going to go out on
• 2:37:30
  Speaker 2: if I got one more fight and I want to
• 2:37:32
  Speaker 2: make ten million bucks, Connor McGregor is the only opponent
• 2:37:36
  Speaker 2: that can do that for you.
• 2:37:37
  Speaker 11: That'd be really cool to see because, yeah, without knowing
• 2:37:40
  Speaker 11: much about him when he came in studio to pub
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  Speaker 11: his fight, super nice, like decent guy.
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  Speaker 1: He's awesome.
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  Speaker 8: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, So anyway, I don't want to take up because
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  Speaker 1: there's a lot that's Bence Checkets needs to get to
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  Speaker 1: today on the drive. His knicks are NBA Champions. Make
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  Speaker 1: sure you stay tuned. We'll do the Sean O'Connell Show
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  Speaker 1: again tomorrow ESPN seven hundred and ninety TWOEFM