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To Date or Not to Date in 2023 · Stuff Mom Never Told You

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Speaker 1: Hey, this is Anny and Samantha.
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Speaker 2: And welcome to Steph. I've never told your direction No, iHeartRadio.
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Speaker 1: Yes, and y'all.
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Speaker 3: In the world of finding that perfect mate or mates,
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Speaker 3: trying to find a compatible partner is still hard. That's
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Speaker 3: what we've discovered recently. Had some social time with friends. Yes,
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Speaker 3: I actually went out surprise, and the group was mixed
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Speaker 3: up with a lot of different people with different stages
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Speaker 3: in their relationship, which is interesting to me. Surprisingly, the
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Speaker 3: number of couples married couples of the group worth of minority.
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Speaker 3: I think there was only like two people who were
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Speaker 3: married out of the group of twenty. We had several
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Speaker 3: thirty year olds who were single then in the group,
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Speaker 3: and then we had a few long term couples who
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Speaker 3: are not quite married. We did have a couple of
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Speaker 3: people who lived with you know, had people who lived
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Speaker 3: they lived with, which apparently is still a no no
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Speaker 3: according to most of the sites. They said that cohabiting
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Speaker 3: can actually set you up to fail, which I think
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Speaker 3: is still odd to be I don't understand that or
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Speaker 3: whatever we'll see, won't we just kidding? And then we
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Speaker 3: had one or two divorced people I believe in that
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Speaker 3: mix us, well, not too many. They were just as like,
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Speaker 3: probably around the same as the married couple, so fifty
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Speaker 3: to fifty aha statistics.
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Speaker 1: I guess it was.
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Speaker 3: A true mixed bag, which naturally led into a lot
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Speaker 3: of stories of dating and having a conversation about that
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Speaker 3: and what was happening today and guess what, Annie, dating
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Speaker 3: is still scary.
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Speaker 1: Just want you to know this.
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Speaker 3: Newly divorced people who met their previous partners at school
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Speaker 3: or the old school way of like you know, a
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Speaker 3: meet cute, as you and I have taught before, have
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Speaker 3: recently been venturing into the online dating world and have
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Speaker 3: cotten quickly overwhelm at not only the characters they sometimes
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Speaker 3: oftentimes rather meet, but the swiftness of the timeline of
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Speaker 3: online dating, which you and I have talked about previously
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Speaker 3: about how like it just goes quickly because you talk,
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Speaker 3: and if you talk too long, either it fizzles out
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Speaker 3: very quickly or you're expected to like jump into a
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Speaker 3: relationship because you quote unquote know each other, which begs
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Speaker 3: the question has it changed much in the last couple
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Speaker 3: of years, Because we definitely did have an episode about
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Speaker 3: online dating or dating in the era of a pandemic
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Speaker 3: and though the pandemic has not necessarily stopped or like
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Speaker 3: has gone away, because COVID still exists.
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Speaker 1: Things are spreading more things are spreading. We talked about
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Speaker 1: malaria not too long ago, and.
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Speaker 2: That's the thing.
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Speaker 3: But all these things are still happening. But we are
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Speaker 3: now going out. As I said, I went out and
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Speaker 3: hung out with a group of people and I was
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Speaker 3: very awkward and tired.
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Speaker 1: So what does it look like today?
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Speaker 3: So first we're going to talk about statistics, because that's
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Speaker 3: what we do, statistics of dating and what exactly is happening.
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Speaker 3: One thing for sure, many adults in the US find
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Speaker 3: it hard to date today. Nearly half the Americans believe
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Speaker 3: it's gotten harder to date in the last ten years,
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Speaker 3: and not too surprisingly, women especially find it hard to date,
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Speaker 3: with like fifty five percent of them attesting to the fact.
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Speaker 3: And this is from a twenty twenty Pew research article.
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Speaker 3: And I know that's pre or I guess I'm mid
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Speaker 3: of the pandemic. Those numbers have only increased by the way,
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Speaker 3: and within those stats, at least sixty two percent of
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Speaker 3: the Black women and fifty percent of Hispanic women would
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Speaker 3: agree to that, so their numbers are even higher, and
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Speaker 3: women are twice as likely to say that it is
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Speaker 3: due to increased risks that dating has become harder. And
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Speaker 3: I don't think that's surprising. We've talked about it repeatedly,
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Speaker 3: about how dangerous is to date, how dangerous is to
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Speaker 3: turn someone down. I feel like my TikTok videos, a
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Speaker 3: lot of them are like men asking women why their
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Speaker 3: standards are so high, and then women have an explained
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Speaker 3: because half or why their standards are so low. It's
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Speaker 3: one or the other, there's no in between. And then
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Speaker 3: having to come back to the we have to play
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Speaker 3: it safe for the sake of our own health literally
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Speaker 3: physical well being, because.
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Speaker 1: We might die.
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Speaker 3: And then things like what's happened on the news in
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Speaker 3: Canada recently with the stabbing in the gender studies class,
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Speaker 3: which is one more thing to add to like, yeah,
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Speaker 3: we're petrified of men, and this is why, and this
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Speaker 3: is why. There are other statistics that are a bit
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Speaker 3: more surprising, like the fact that a majority didn't think
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Speaker 3: that online dating made it harder or easier to date,
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Speaker 3: which I assume there would be an opinion, but there wasn't.
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Speaker 3: And here's a quote from Americansurvey Center dot org about
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Speaker 3: the gender divide on why dating is difficult. Many Americans
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Speaker 3: believe that dating has become more difficult than it once was,
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Speaker 3: but men and women just agree somewhat about whether dating
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Speaker 3: is more difficult for women or for men. The majority
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Speaker 3: of Americans, including most Americans who are single, do not
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Speaker 3: believe that dating is any more difficult for men or women.
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Speaker 3: More than six and ten, sixty two percent of Americans
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Speaker 3: say that when it comes to dating, neither men or
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Speaker 3: women have a more difficult experience, which is countering.
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Speaker 1: What we just talked about.
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Speaker 3: Roughly equal numbers of Americans believe that dating is more
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Speaker 3: difficult to men seventy percent, as say it is more
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Speaker 3: difficult for women at nineteen percent. So obviously these are
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Speaker 3: different numbers than what we said above.
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Speaker 1: I would resent or cling.
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Speaker 3: To the Pew numbers. I think, who actually knew this?
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Speaker 3: But whatever, and it goes on. There are predictable differences
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Speaker 3: between men and women. Women are more likely to believe
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Speaker 3: that dating presents greater challenges to women twenty seven percent,
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Speaker 3: while men are more likely to believe that men twenty
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Speaker 3: eight percent face greater challenges when it comes to dating.
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Speaker 3: Gender differences are most pronounced among young adults. Thirty percent
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Speaker 3: of young men believe that men have a harder time
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Speaker 3: when it comes to dating, while more than one in
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Speaker 3: three thirty four percent believe they face greater difficulties in dating.
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Speaker 3: So I think the younger and that does come into play.
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Speaker 3: By the way, the gen zs versus versus the millennials
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Speaker 3: pretty interesting, and I think that has a lot to
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Speaker 3: do with the conversation that men believe feminism has made
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Speaker 3: it harder and the hashtag me too has made it
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Speaker 3: harder for them to date, so they are more likely
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Speaker 3: to whine about that, And I said.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, And I think it's also like it's a
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Speaker 2: really unfortunate, toxic part of a lot of our modern
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Speaker 2: especially like heteroinormative dating, is that women do have to
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Speaker 2: take these precautions, and men who maybe aren't creeps are
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Speaker 2: kind of getting reapuffed by women who are worried that
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Speaker 2: they might be. And so it just kind of like
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Speaker 2: exacerbates it's it's like it gets it's it's not good
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Speaker 2: for anybody, no, but for anybody no, all right, But
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Speaker 2: with that to no one surprise. Online dating is one
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Speaker 2: of the most used forms of finding a date or
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Speaker 2: a partner in twenty twenty two, three hundred and sixty
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Speaker 2: six million users were on a dating app, which is
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Speaker 2: over forty five million more than the previous year, of
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Speaker 2: which three out of four were looking to find a
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Speaker 2: committed relationship. And LGBTQ users are two times as likely
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Speaker 2: to use a dating app fifty five percent of LGBTQ
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Speaker 2: users versus twenty eight percent of straight users. And with that,
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Speaker 2: over thirteen percent of online users got engaged or married
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Speaker 2: from a dating app, but twenty three point seven percent
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Speaker 2: claim they have not gone on more than two dates.
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Speaker 2: But even with those types of statistics, fifty four percent
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Speaker 2: of the online users say that relationships started online are
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Speaker 2: just as successful as those started IRL. And the stigma
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Speaker 2: has changed with time, as where once once it was
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Speaker 2: something a lot of people would about our makeup, the
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Speaker 2: meet cute, the how we met stories, it is now
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Speaker 2: common enough that meeting people IRL first is more unusual
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Speaker 2: or that's how it seems.
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Speaker 3: Yes, especially my group of people, me telling about my
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Speaker 3: partner and I who met because we were neighbors versus
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Speaker 3: the online dating is unusual. So here's one more study,
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Speaker 3: as reported by the Americansurveycenter dot org about dating and
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Speaker 3: the gender divide. The January twenty twenty three American Perspective
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Speaker 3: Survey shed some light on dating preferences, experiences, and perspectives.
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Speaker 3: The national survey of more than five thousand adults age
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Speaker 3: eighteen and older, including nearly eight hundred single adults, finds
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Speaker 3: that Americans have strong dating preferences when it comes to
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Speaker 3: living at home, being unemployed, and smoking. These are especially
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Speaker 3: salient considerations for women. Politics is another important consideration for
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Speaker 3: many Americans, especially committed partisans. Most Republicans and Democrats say
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Speaker 3: they would be much less interested in dating those of
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Speaker 3: the opposite political persuasions. And we talked about that during
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Speaker 3: the pandemic, especially with the Trump administration.
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Speaker 1: That brought a huge divide very quickly. And it has
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Speaker 1: not gotten any better, No, any better.
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Speaker 3: And yeah, once again, as we mentioned numerous times, less
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Speaker 3: and less people are inclined to get married. From that
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Speaker 3: same American Survey article. Marriage is also facing an increasing
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Speaker 3: competition from other types of social arrangements, such as cohabitation.
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Speaker 3: The number of Americans cohabitating with their romantic partner has
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Speaker 3: more than doubled over the past three decades. Is become
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Speaker 3: a widely accepted practice, particularly among younger Americans. I'm going
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Speaker 3: to put myself in that younger category. Nearly six to
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Speaker 3: ten younger Americans report having cohabitated with a romantic partner.
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Speaker 3: Nowhere is the decline of marriage more evident than the
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Speaker 3: lives of young adults. Overall, more than one in three
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Speaker 3: Americans have never been married. Only twenty five percent of
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Speaker 3: young adults ages eighteen to thirty four are currently married,
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Speaker 3: a dramatic decline over the past few decades. In nineteen
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Speaker 3: seventy eight, younger adults who are almost twice as likely
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Speaker 3: to be married as fifty nine percent. That is a huge,
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Speaker 3: significant decrease.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, yep. And it looks like with all of this,
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Speaker 2: women are even less interested in dating after the pandemic.
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Speaker 2: Here's some more numbers for you from the American Survey Center.
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Speaker 2: Single women are much more likely than single men to
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Speaker 2: say this is a major reason they are not dating,
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Speaker 2: forty five percent versus twenty nine percent, respectively. An identical number,
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Speaker 2: thirty six percent of single Americans say that difficulty meeting
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Speaker 2: people is a major reason they are not dating. Roughly
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Speaker 2: equal numbers of single men thirty five percent and single
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Speaker 2: women thirty eight percent say this is a major factor.
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Speaker 2: Not being able to find someone who measures up is
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Speaker 2: another important reason many American sites. Of single Americans, thirty
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Speaker 2: percent say that not being able to find someone who
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Speaker 2: meets their expectations is a major reason they are not dating.
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Speaker 2: Women cite this as a factor more often than men do.
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Speaker 2: Nearly four and ten or thirty eight percent single women,
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Speaker 2: compared to less than one quarter twenty three percent of
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Speaker 2: single men say an inability to find someone who meets
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Speaker 2: their expectations it's a major reason they are not dating.
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Speaker 2: This is an especially salient issue for college educated women.
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Speaker 2: Close to half forty five percent of college educated women
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Speaker 2: say not being able to find someone who meets their
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Speaker 2: expectations is a major factor, while only twenty eight percent
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Speaker 2: of women without a college education feel the same. This
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Speaker 2: education gap is slightly smaller among men. One third thirty
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Speaker 2: three percent of college educated men claim not finding someone
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Speaker 2: who meets their standards it's a major factor for them,
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Speaker 2: compared to nineteen percent of non college educated men.
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Speaker 1: That college thing really gets at them.
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Speaker 2: That's why, that's why the conservatives rail against it. To
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Speaker 2: go to your liberal college and then ye whant to
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Speaker 2: get married.
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Speaker 3: It's true, you got out of the kitchen and get
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Speaker 3: some learning, and then you don't, and you're gonna die alone.
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Speaker 1: No one's gonna take care of for your dog. I'm
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Speaker 1: okay with them.
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Speaker 3: And some of the reasons maybe due to men. And
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Speaker 3: we're speaking here in the heteronumber of standards not meeting
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Speaker 3: expectations and the women having more deal breakers. Uh, And
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Speaker 3: I'm I'm a firm believer in sticking to those deal breakers.
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Speaker 3: It's okay to have them. The same article Rights, Women
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Speaker 3: more than men, report having a greater number of potential
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Speaker 3: deal breakers when it comes to dating. They are also
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Speaker 3: more likely to report having difficulty finding someone who meets
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Speaker 3: their expectations. But for many young women, dating expectations refer
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Speaker 3: less to a laundry list of must have qualities and
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Speaker 3: more to basic standards of how they wish to be treated.
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Speaker 2: Yeah.
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Speaker 1: I feel that shouldn't be a surprise.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, but I feel like they also had to say it.
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Speaker 2: It's true, It's true. I've said before. One of the reasons,
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Speaker 2: Like my ex and I when we were having like
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Speaker 2: our exit breakup survey, I was like, you, We're never
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Speaker 2: gonna I'm always gonna feel more responsible to do things
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Speaker 2: like domestic things, than you, and it's how we were
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Speaker 2: both raised. And I can't change that way. Like we
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Speaker 2: can work on it, we could talk about it, but
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Speaker 2: the truth is I'm gonna end up presenting you and
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Speaker 2: you're presenting me. We're not on the same level.
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Speaker 1: I don't know.
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Speaker 3: I wonder if people can find that even today, like
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Speaker 3: especially I say that in my generation, I feel like
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Speaker 3: gen zers may have better luck. But I'm I am
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Speaker 3: a elder millennial, like I am still quite on the
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Speaker 3: cusp of being a gen xer, you know, so I
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Speaker 3: think my generation is a little different, even more old
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Speaker 3: fashioned than the younger and younger like that, right, the
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Speaker 3: newer millennials huh? Anyway, sad And yeah, as we talked
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Speaker 3: about in our earlier dating episodes, politics and beliefs are
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Speaker 3: pretty high on the list of possible green or red flags.
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Speaker 3: Issues like abortion, voting, habits, and religious beliefs are high
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Speaker 3: on the list of considerations.
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Speaker 1: We've talked about our own standards.
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Speaker 3: And yeah, if you've voted for Trump at any point,
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Speaker 3: even if you think it's a mistake today, probably not.
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Speaker 1: No, you're you're already man like xed out.
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Speaker 2: This is your fault.
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Speaker 1: Where we are Today's your fault. You specifically, I don't
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Speaker 1: know who you are, but you.
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Speaker 2: Yes. Okay, so let's talk about some of the best
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Speaker 2: ways to meet possible partners. According to the not dot Com,
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Speaker 2: these are the top dating trends of twenty twenty three according.
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Speaker 3: To experts, Wait, do you know what the not dot
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Speaker 3: com is?
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Speaker 2: That's like the wedding Yeah, okay, it's like the wedding registration.
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Speaker 4: I've I've been to weddings. I'm telling you checking that's fair.
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Speaker 4: I still love that. You could hear it on the
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Speaker 4: Daily Zeitgeist when they said me cute, and I had
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Speaker 4: no idea what they were talking about, and I just
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Speaker 4: tried to pretend for a second, and then it just
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Speaker 4: became very clear.
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Speaker 2: I did not know, don't know what sounds fair? All right?
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Speaker 2: Infla dating, which is a term coined by Plenty of Fish,
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Speaker 2: the app which states is quote going on less expensive
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Speaker 2: dates due to inflation in the current economic environment, rising
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Speaker 2: prices are affecting all aspects of our lives, including dating.
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Speaker 2: Nearly half forty eight percent of single millennials and gen
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Speaker 2: z have suggested going on a less expensive, budget friendly date, which,
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Speaker 2: by the way, I think is just smart. I don't
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Speaker 2: think inflation or not. Don't put too much pressure on
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Speaker 2: that date, that first date, especially especially the first date.
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Speaker 2: H conscious swiping, and that's exactly what it sounds like.
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Speaker 2: It's conscientiously swiping. Combatible choices are dating with intention which
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Speaker 2: we talked about some people it's really gamified in a
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Speaker 2: lot of instances. Yeah, so this is sort of the
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Speaker 2: answer to that.
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Speaker 3: So others could be avoiding situationships we talked about this
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Speaker 3: term before, the kind of together but not really you know,
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Speaker 3: more than the body, but not a full relationship, and
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Speaker 3: follows along the intentional dating idea.
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Speaker 1: So don't do those essentially sober dates.
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Speaker 3: Which again is exactly how it sounds choosing to date
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Speaker 3: with drinking less and the overall alcohol consumption, as noted
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Speaker 3: on tender has decreased for dating habits, which is not
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Speaker 3: how I did it, but it's probably the recommended way
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Speaker 3: to do this. And this would replace dates revolved around
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Speaker 3: eating and drinking to more creative outings that test each
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Speaker 3: other's compatibility. So, I don't know, maybe finding a hobby
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Speaker 3: hiking I did. I actually ran with a dude as
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Speaker 3: a date that was really awkward.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, that doesn't sound like good.
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Speaker 3: That was when I was in my half marathon face too.
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Speaker 3: I was like, okay, let's go. But this dude was
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Speaker 3: like six foot two and my five foot four self like,
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Speaker 3: I'm not a I'm a paste runner. When I was right,
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Speaker 3: So this dude's going, I'm like, I'm fine, and I
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Speaker 3: sweat real bad and I turned it real red, so
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Speaker 3: it was not cute.
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Speaker 2: That's like a good like we've been dating for a while,
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Speaker 2: but not an early date.
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Speaker 1: I don't know why we did.
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Speaker 3: I don't know why we did this, but we did anyway.
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Speaker 3: And then there's research back dating tips like listening to
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Speaker 3: this episode or other episodes about dating and learning who
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Speaker 3: you are, your attachment styles, learning what red flags look for,
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Speaker 3: and looking out for negative or manipulative behaviors.
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Speaker 2: I think that one's really important. Yes, building healthy habits
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Speaker 2: with tech with all kinds of apps for all kinds
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Speaker 2: of things such as meditation apps, life coaching apps, building
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Speaker 2: better habit apps, people have so much more access so
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Speaker 2: for those who take advantage of the tech that help
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Speaker 2: build healthier habits, it could help build healthier relationships as
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Speaker 2: well as so this list says I would also say,
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Speaker 2: like there's a caution especially for someone like me, Like
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Speaker 2: you mentioned that checklist earlier, like don't get too forear
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Speaker 2: into that.
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Speaker 3: Don't get too obsessive, and to that level, like it
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Speaker 3: has to be all these things because.
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Speaker 2: By thirty it has to be this or don't do that.
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Speaker 2: Chasing the meet cute irl. As with everything in the world,
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Speaker 2: we have come back to appreciating the meat cute or
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Speaker 2: spontaneous meeting. Many are trying to create situations where they
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Speaker 2: can meet someone in person, according going to home depot
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Speaker 2: and just asking around, which does sound like a nightmare,
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Speaker 2: but you know, you do you. This was the the
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Speaker 2: advice I used to give to my friends who really
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Speaker 2: wanted to date. It was always like, just pursue what
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Speaker 2: you really like in a like kind of fashion and
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Speaker 2: just see what happens.
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Speaker 3: Like romantically, I think people would do like an intermittent sports.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, to do this, to try to meet.
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Speaker 3: People, find new hobbies. There are meetups.
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Speaker 1: Is this something I think so?
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Speaker 2: I mean, I'm sure during the pandemic it took a hit,
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Speaker 2: but I'm pretty sure.
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Speaker 3: I think though it's majority made up of women, So
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Speaker 3: if you're a queer woman, just wo'd be great.
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Speaker 2: But I mean, again, going back to that like safety thing.
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Speaker 2: I'm sure like if there's a group of people in
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Speaker 2: the same boat, you feel a little better.
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Speaker 3: There's still the speed dating Annie, if you ever want
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Speaker 3: to try that too. I've never heard of being successful
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Speaker 3: for anyone, but I'm just.
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Speaker 2: Saying, listeners if anyone has had it successful or not
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Speaker 2: ready to.
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Speaker 3: Know, because I'm still curious about stuff like that. So
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Speaker 3: there's some of the current trends. But since we brought
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Speaker 3: up the old school meet cues, we wanted to see
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Speaker 3: if the old school tradition of blind dates is still happening,
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Speaker 3: and according to one article, it is on the rise.
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Speaker 1: But it's actually app based.
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Speaker 3: So there is one called blindly b l I n
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Speaker 3: d l EE, which is a quote blind dating app
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Speaker 3: that hosts three minute blurred video calls between users who
20:19
Speaker 3: match each other's criteria. In app, pop ups offer icebreaker prompts,
20:24
Speaker 3: and as time goes on, the option to gradually unblur
20:28
Speaker 3: the video image. After three minutes, the app asks participants
20:32
Speaker 3: if they want to continue the conversation.
20:35
Speaker 1: If they both say.
20:36
Speaker 3: Yes, only then we'll it create a match and of
20:39
Speaker 3: conversation can continue. So the co founder of the site,
20:44
Speaker 3: Sasha how I say it's right, Nason said of the app,
20:48
Speaker 3: we have seen there is a very high likelihood that
20:51
Speaker 3: people will continue chatting via messages or videos because they
20:54
Speaker 3: already had this ice breaking moment. And yeah, this app
20:58
Speaker 3: launched in twenty nineteen and has grown since the pandemic,
21:02
Speaker 3: and it's currently at fifty thousand users.
21:04
Speaker 2: Hmmm, and more blind date apps like this have popped up.
21:09
Speaker 2: Many sites blur out photos or don't reveal photos until
21:12
Speaker 2: after a certain amount of messages are sent, perhaps inspired
21:15
Speaker 2: by things like Love Is Blind, the reality series. Although
21:18
Speaker 2: one of the big concerns with sites like these is
21:20
Speaker 2: that people post the risk of being catfished, but different
21:24
Speaker 2: sites have assured users that they verify all users. I
21:27
Speaker 2: don't know how I was thinking about this. There's a
21:30
Speaker 2: horror movie based on this, by the way, of course
21:31
Speaker 2: it is. It's really good actually, But I was thinking
21:38
Speaker 2: about because I've had some friends tell me going back
21:41
Speaker 2: to one of those statistics you said earlier about women
21:44
Speaker 2: during the pandemic wanting to date less is that they
21:47
Speaker 2: don't feel comfortable with their bodies anymore during the pandemic,
21:51
Speaker 2: And so I wonder if that's part of the appeal
21:53
Speaker 2: with this or not I would be interested to know.
21:56
Speaker 2: I've just had a handful of friends say something like
21:59
Speaker 2: that to me that they don't feel comfortable with whatever
22:03
Speaker 2: weight they've gained during the pandemic, that they don't want
22:05
Speaker 2: to date anymore. All right, So, speaking of apps, old, new,
22:10
Speaker 2: and faves, here are some of the top apps today
22:13
Speaker 2: as well as some of the newest ones, according to
22:16
Speaker 2: MindBodyGreen dot com. Here are some best serious relationship app
22:20
Speaker 2: e Harmony, best dating over fifty, Match best dating app
22:24
Speaker 2: for kink Field best dating over forty, Okay Cupid best
22:30
Speaker 2: for women, Bumble best for young adults, Hinge best for gayman,
22:34
Speaker 2: Grinder best for lesbians, her best for working professionals, the League,
22:39
Speaker 2: which is very expensive and best for hookups is Tender,
22:43
Speaker 2: which my friends have echoed a lot of these sentiments.
22:45
Speaker 3: Yeah, I didn't realize okay Cupid was over forty because
22:49
Speaker 3: I was using it early thirties.
22:50
Speaker 2: Well, I mean that's probably changed, just more things of
22:53
Speaker 2: entered the maybe the field. Yeah yeah.
22:56
Speaker 3: As in fact, here are some new ones for twenty
22:59
Speaker 3: twenty three according to datingadvice dot com. The Sauce, which
23:04
Speaker 3: uses video chats and video profile features and apparently ninety
23:07
Speaker 3: five percent of Sauce dates lead to a second date,
23:10
Speaker 3: so you know they're ras statistic. Stir is a sister
23:14
Speaker 3: app to Match and is specific to single parents. Snack
23:19
Speaker 3: which by these names things are getting with. Okay, Snack
23:24
Speaker 3: specifically aimed toward gen zers and is marketed as not
23:28
Speaker 3: your parents Dating app, which makes me feel really old,
23:31
Speaker 3: really really old, because I have believe I was using
23:34
Speaker 3: the apps that would be considered your parents dating app.
23:37
Speaker 3: That's fine, I'm fine. Frome or first Rounds on Me
23:43
Speaker 3: is designed to quote encourage people to be more confident
23:47
Speaker 3: in themselves and their quests for companionship through face to
23:50
Speaker 3: face interaction. So in this app, a user literally sends
23:54
Speaker 3: a drink request with a type of drink, date, time,
23:58
Speaker 3: and location, and then the receipt can change details, accept
24:02
Speaker 3: or decline, and if it's set, they just meet up.
24:05
Speaker 3: Huh okay, that's whole intention tap that And I'm sorry,
24:09
Speaker 3: but that is tap dat. I'm not trying to use
24:13
Speaker 3: ab or being sarcastic in anyway. It is a straight
24:17
Speaker 3: up hookup site. So they're trying to replace Tender I
24:20
Speaker 3: think smile And from the dating article, it says software
24:26
Speaker 3: engineer Melissa Mullen created the Smile app after realizing that
24:31
Speaker 3: her best relationships have been with people who shared her humor.
24:34
Speaker 3: She designed Smile to match singles based on shared sense
24:38
Speaker 3: of humor. On Smile, you're paired with each potential match
24:41
Speaker 3: based on what you have in common. Comedically, after a
24:44
Speaker 3: few hours of chatting, you can see what your match
24:47
Speaker 3: looks like. But the laughs come first is a great
24:50
Speaker 3: way to keep dating fun while avoiding focusing on less
24:53
Speaker 3: important things like superficial appearance or social media presence. I
24:58
Speaker 3: really like that idea because I'm pretty funny, damn it.
25:05
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a certain type of humor.
25:08
Speaker 3: But yeah, but yeah, I found that interesting. It was like, huh,
25:13
Speaker 3: I wonder how that goes to you? Like pick out comedians?
25:16
Speaker 3: Do you pick out movies?
25:18
Speaker 1: How do you?
25:18
Speaker 3: How do you even get there? So if someone has
25:20
Speaker 3: to use this, I need to know because it sounds
25:22
Speaker 3: like a really great idea. Yeah, but well how does
25:26
Speaker 3: it work?
25:27
Speaker 1: Yeah?
25:27
Speaker 3: And uh, these are just a few if you're trying
25:31
Speaker 3: to find different options today. There there's more on that list. Again,
25:34
Speaker 3: it was from datingadvice dot Com and they had several
25:38
Speaker 3: other They had zeusk on there, which is not new,
25:41
Speaker 3: but I guess it's gotten more popular as of late.
25:44
Speaker 3: But there's some more if you if you.
25:46
Speaker 2: So want to go check them out some more. But
25:53
Speaker 2: with all of that, interestingly, several of the Alumni apps
25:57
Speaker 2: have been accused of trickery, anding Hinge, who recently was
26:02
Speaker 2: accused on TikTok for gatekeeping the better matches. Now, with
26:07
Speaker 2: more and more apps adding an upgraded version of their
26:10
Speaker 2: apps for a subscription fee, it wouldn't be too surprising
26:13
Speaker 2: to see this happen on any site. There are those
26:17
Speaker 2: who found a way to skirt around gatekeeping and teach
26:20
Speaker 2: others to do the same. So users, but essentially, yeah,
26:25
Speaker 2: you have to pay for the good.
26:26
Speaker 3: Matches, right, and that's I mean, like whether it's like
26:29
Speaker 3: you can request specific types of conversations. I think like
26:34
Speaker 3: I don't know if it was coffee meat's bagel, like
26:36
Speaker 3: if you wanted to have more than two.
26:37
Speaker 1: Matches a day, you had to pay. It's definitely all
26:41
Speaker 1: out there.
26:41
Speaker 3: But Hinge was specifically accused of holding back some of
26:45
Speaker 3: their better quality of people. And then one user was like,
26:48
Speaker 3: so all you really need to do is deny all
26:50
Speaker 3: of them, Just just swipe no on all of them
26:53
Speaker 3: and then eventually they have to give it to you
26:55
Speaker 3: because you run out of people or they're gonna lose
26:57
Speaker 3: you all together. So I was like, well, that's smart
27:00
Speaker 3: at the same time because it's sad because do you
27:02
Speaker 3: miss out because but because if you're on there long enough,
27:05
Speaker 3: people repeat, you see them on.
27:07
Speaker 2: Everything from according to my friends, I've never used one.
27:11
Speaker 1: Maybe it's just Lenda is the smallest. I think.
27:14
Speaker 3: We've talked about the fact that I have never matched
27:17
Speaker 3: with the same person as one of my friends because
27:20
Speaker 3: we had very different taste, which is surprising because all
27:24
Speaker 3: of us were on there.
27:25
Speaker 2: But yeah, that was like my greatest year. As one
27:27
Speaker 2: of the reasons I never used one.
27:28
Speaker 3: Yeah, or we have made sure like if we match
27:32
Speaker 3: with someone like we would check with each other.
27:34
Speaker 1: Have you seen this, dude? Have you been on?
27:35
Speaker 2: Yeah?
27:36
Speaker 1: That was always a good way to go to.
27:39
Speaker 3: But with all of this, a new article written in
27:41
Speaker 3: The New York Times suggests that women are actually taking
27:44
Speaker 3: the summer off.
27:45
Speaker 1: Of online dating.
27:47
Speaker 3: In the article, written by Gina chirellis I really hope
27:50
Speaker 3: I said that correctly? She says as the days grow
27:53
Speaker 3: longer and the weather warmer, there are some who are
27:56
Speaker 3: opting out of dating apps, at least for now. Of
27:59
Speaker 3: nearly a women interviewed, many said they were reclaiming this
28:02
Speaker 3: time that had spent in the cold winter months swiping
28:05
Speaker 3: through dating apps by prioritizing real life encounters and focusing
28:10
Speaker 3: on having fun. Many women interviewed in the article spoke
28:13
Speaker 3: of being burnt out from online dating scenes, tired of
28:16
Speaker 3: casually dating or matching up with people who were not compatible.
28:20
Speaker 3: So a lot of them were like they were doing
28:21
Speaker 3: casual dating and a lot of women were looking for relationships.
28:24
Speaker 3: They'd been on the site since the beginning of dating apps,
28:27
Speaker 3: and they were tired of this conversation. So yeah, and
28:31
Speaker 3: like we said before, they kind of regurgitate the same men.
28:34
Speaker 3: It's almost like you guys are all and I say
28:36
Speaker 3: you guys myself included, like I would be on the
28:39
Speaker 3: same timeline of like, well that didn't work, I'm back.
28:42
Speaker 2: Yeah, And it is exhausting going on dates, Like it
28:46
Speaker 2: can be really fun, but if it's over and over
28:48
Speaker 2: and over, you're like, yeah, I just want to go home.
28:52
Speaker 3: You just put down the phone, delete everything, just like
28:55
Speaker 3: crawl a bit a fetal position, how your dog or
28:59
Speaker 3: go out outside and not fun, but it's ridiculous, Annie,
29:03
Speaker 3: how dare you be proactive?
29:05
Speaker 1: Healthy?
29:08
Speaker 3: Or perhaps some of them are having even worse experiences,
29:12
Speaker 3: like those who had been chatfished.
29:15
Speaker 1: And though it's.
29:16
Speaker 3: Been around for longer than I had realized. Actually, the
29:20
Speaker 3: trend of chatfishing or a practice in which men from
29:23
Speaker 3: in cell communities set up a fake dating profile posing
29:27
Speaker 3: as chads. And this is like the perfect dude who
29:30
Speaker 3: can get any girl, according to in cells, And if
29:33
Speaker 3: you want to know more about that, you can listen
29:34
Speaker 3: to our earlier in cell episode. And they do this
29:37
Speaker 3: in order to trick and humiliate women.
29:39
Speaker 2: Right, here's a little bit of an explanation from the
29:42
Speaker 2: Daily dot dot com. The dupe involves fooling women into
29:45
Speaker 2: virtual relationships using fake Tinder profiles, just like catfishing, but
29:50
Speaker 2: instead of pretending to be perfect, in cells use these
29:52
Speaker 2: accounts to act like a chad slang for conventionally attractive
29:56
Speaker 2: men with awful personalities who still manage to attract women.
30:00
Speaker 2: The in cell or involuntarily celibate community often blames these
30:05
Speaker 2: conceptualized men for its member's own sexual failings, while threats
30:09
Speaker 2: about chad fish and go back as far as twenty sixteen,
30:12
Speaker 2: it became a trend within the in cell community. Just
30:14
Speaker 2: last year, men angry at their perceived inability to attract
30:18
Speaker 2: sexual partners because of these supposed chads called the practice
30:23
Speaker 2: the ultimate black pill, essentially proof that their ghastly assumptions
30:28
Speaker 2: about what women wanted in a relationship were right. After
30:32
Speaker 2: chatting with women on tender, the chad fishers would ghost
30:35
Speaker 2: the women or share their nudes without consent. Ironically, many
30:40
Speaker 2: men found that even while pretending to be a chad,
30:43
Speaker 2: they still struggled to convince women to sleep with them,
30:46
Speaker 2: and a few or even ghosted themselves, which is just glorious.
30:51
Speaker 1: It was ironic.
30:52
Speaker 3: I think eventually it just comes out if you stay
30:55
Speaker 3: on longer than one or two chads are like this
30:58
Speaker 3: is this is odd at. A recent article from news
31:12
Speaker 3: dot com dot Au talks about the uprising of chatfishing
31:14
Speaker 3: in Australia in twenty twenty three. In a report, they
31:18
Speaker 3: share messages that have been published on in cell forums
31:21
Speaker 3: about the practices and here are some of the messages
31:23
Speaker 3: and incidents they reported. Quote my hobby is chatfishing whores.
31:28
Speaker 3: I arranged days and stand them up at bars, he continues,
31:32
Speaker 3: is fun to deflate their ego and make them waste
31:34
Speaker 3: money on ubers, fuel and parking.
31:36
Speaker 1: And then another example, and this is a quote.
31:39
Speaker 3: And then possibly the worst example, the in cell targeted
31:42
Speaker 3: a recently divorced forty one year old woman who had
31:44
Speaker 3: told them she was a little lost, eventually standing her
31:48
Speaker 3: up three separate times and describing it as his best
31:51
Speaker 3: one yet. And he goes, after I stood her up
31:54
Speaker 3: first time, she concocted a story about receiving bad news
31:58
Speaker 3: as a reason to leave. She appolis and hinted at
32:01
Speaker 3: another date another time, he told his twisted followers, I
32:05
Speaker 3: knew she was desperate for a Chad, so I started
32:08
Speaker 3: with her, testing her reaction to chats multiple women's stashed
32:12
Speaker 3: around the city. She said, TIHI, you're so funny, Chad.
32:15
Speaker 3: So I stood her up a second time, and I
32:17
Speaker 3: have a third time with a different chatfish.
32:20
Speaker 1: Yeah.
32:21
Speaker 3: So those are totally the awful stories, which I'm like
32:24
Speaker 3: reading that doesn't sound believable.
32:26
Speaker 2: I could realy lie it could be. And the purpose
32:32
Speaker 2: of all of this is to abuse women. Here's a
32:35
Speaker 2: quote from malmagazine dot com. Ostensibly, they're looking to prove
32:39
Speaker 2: that women are superficial sluts willing to hop into bed
32:42
Speaker 2: with any guy sporting chiseled abs, regardless of his awful personality.
32:46
Speaker 2: In practice, it's about gaining the opportunity to verbally abuse
32:50
Speaker 2: women in tender chats.
32:51
Speaker 1: Right.
32:52
Speaker 3: And here's something from in cells dot I this is
32:55
Speaker 3: an actual site because we love you. I did look
32:59
Speaker 3: through it. I'm very unhappy about it. But here is
33:02
Speaker 3: a chatfishing slash catfeshing guide that someone posted. It says,
33:08
Speaker 3: make sure you stay consistent with the first and last
33:11
Speaker 3: name when making fake accounts. Just pick any chad name
33:15
Speaker 3: like Tyler Hunter or something. Make your chat's age from
33:19
Speaker 3: twenty two to twenty four years old. You can skip
33:22
Speaker 3: steps one and two. And there's all these steps if
33:24
Speaker 3: you have a spare Facebook account. So step one make
33:27
Speaker 3: a Gmail account and then create a whole account with
33:29
Speaker 3: phone numbers. Step two make a Facebook account, which I
33:32
Speaker 3: feel like because this is twenty sixteen, they just kind
33:34
Speaker 3: of outdate it now using your real number and your
33:38
Speaker 3: Chaz's Gmail, which doesn't sound smart, but okay. Next is
33:42
Speaker 3: of something like downloading a text me or WhatsApp I
33:46
Speaker 3: believe to spoof phone numbers, and then it warns them
33:50
Speaker 3: if you use your own number.
33:51
Speaker 1: People can do a reverse look up, so be careful.
33:54
Speaker 3: Create an account on Snapchat and then talk about how
33:57
Speaker 3: to find followers and make sure they have followers, and
33:59
Speaker 3: they give you video instructions finding the right Chad, and
34:03
Speaker 3: they give they give you like five rules about you
34:06
Speaker 3: know what a right chat is, including Instagram and having girls. Yeah,
34:11
Speaker 3: and then about having a Chad who is a YouTube blogger,
34:14
Speaker 3: which I feel like that would be an obvious like
34:19
Speaker 3: obviously you know, like what, like you can find out
34:22
Speaker 3: where these people are from? Like that doesn't sound smart
34:25
Speaker 3: this app So I'm also going to read some of
34:27
Speaker 3: the comments below in a minute, but okay, and then
34:31
Speaker 3: he gives an example of pictures to use to catfishing.
34:35
Speaker 3: Then he talks about finding girls, but he kid doesn't
34:37
Speaker 3: spell fine. There's so many spelling mistakes in this, so
34:40
Speaker 3: I have to imagine it's a fourteen.
34:42
Speaker 1: Year old doing this. To be honest, Oh boy.
34:44
Speaker 3: Use pictures from chad instagrams as your dating pictures and profiles.
34:49
Speaker 3: Those are also to be careful certain times because they
34:52
Speaker 3: can be reversed for image proof, which many women have
34:55
Speaker 3: found out. Make a fun bio, like you know, putting
34:57
Speaker 3: about how I'm a great cuddler, wear hills. I'll kill
35:01
Speaker 3: spiders for you and then also make up fight weaknesses
35:05
Speaker 3: like a job interview.
35:06
Speaker 1: You know I'm too dependable.
35:08
Speaker 2: Right, I'm too focused, reliable, reliable, ridiculous.
35:15
Speaker 1: I'm so that people love me.
35:17
Speaker 3: But like some of the comments on here, which is
35:20
Speaker 3: hilarious because of like the pictures on it itself is ridiculous,
35:23
Speaker 3: but one of them says, damn awesome thread. The Gmail
35:27
Speaker 3: and Facebook things sounds like work and effort. Then the
35:29
Speaker 3: actual catfishing again, the spelling on here is amazing and
35:34
Speaker 3: it says, uh, this one, dude is like you're a saint, thinks,
35:39
Speaker 3: except yours whyle you are. Someone complained that this was
35:44
Speaker 3: too much work. It says I used to catfish using
35:48
Speaker 3: online dating apps, but they got suspicious since didn't have
35:50
Speaker 3: a social media like Instagram. Might use this though, thinks
35:55
Speaker 3: all these like hmmm, I don't know. Great things will
36:01
Speaker 3: get on it JFL just for last lingo at the
36:05
Speaker 3: White Nights here asking what's the point of this? The
36:08
Speaker 3: point is to make the tender experience unpleasant for as
36:11
Speaker 3: many girls as possible. Tender is the number one cause
36:14
Speaker 3: of hypergammy and it's killing us, so we may as
36:17
Speaker 3: well try to kill it back, which a lot of
36:20
Speaker 3: them were like, are you doing this for nudes? Like?
36:22
Speaker 1: Are you this is too much work? Dude for nuds?
36:25
Speaker 1: Are you like?
36:25
Speaker 2: It's It did have a lot of specific Samantha didn't read.
36:28
Speaker 3: All Hypergammy is the action of marrying or forming its
36:31
Speaker 3: sexual relationship with a person of a superior sociological or
36:34
Speaker 3: educational background.
36:36
Speaker 1: So he used the big word.
36:37
Speaker 2: He did. They know the big words when it is
36:40
Speaker 2: involved with them not getting what they feel.
36:45
Speaker 3: And they're just a lot of things bump for the
36:47
Speaker 3: people to see. Those Chad instagrams are suicide fuel. I'm
36:52
Speaker 3: not even the same species as them. I guess there's
36:56
Speaker 3: some self deprecation in all this, but yeah, So essentially
37:00
Speaker 3: these are the sites that are happening. I know at
37:03
Speaker 3: one point I believe Reddit did take down one instructional
37:08
Speaker 3: Reddit site. But obviously I found this very easily. All
37:11
Speaker 3: I did was literally put the word chatfishing, and this
37:15
Speaker 3: popped up very quickly. Do I think it's sensible, Do
37:18
Speaker 3: I think it's smart? Do I think it works?
37:21
Speaker 1: Hope not?
37:21
Speaker 3: But you never know who can be scammed so quickly
37:25
Speaker 3: and yeah, there's reports of not only people doing this,
37:30
Speaker 3: but some of them actually show up with cameras intending
37:34
Speaker 3: to humiliate them and then putting them on Reddit forums
37:38
Speaker 3: to humiliate women and as well as doxing them essentially
37:42
Speaker 3: to shame them for coming to wanting to be on
37:45
Speaker 3: a date with a catfished dating profile, which if they
37:50
Speaker 3: sound nice right, which again I don't. This is where
37:55
Speaker 3: you know the boys on this site have no clue
37:59
Speaker 3: about the female gaze.
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Speaker 1: No, because the even if they're real, those are the
38:04
Speaker 1: first ones.
38:04
Speaker 3: I was like, oh, yeah, you really like the is
38:08
Speaker 3: you're saying working out? Gone Like, definitely not If that's
38:12
Speaker 3: the first thing you tell me about it. You love CrossFit, I'm.
38:14
Speaker 2: Out, yeah, yeah, well I've told the story a million
38:18
Speaker 2: times that I remember once I projected a guy and
38:21
Speaker 2: he's just shouted at me. It's because I'm not Brad Pitt,
38:26
Speaker 2: isn't it?
38:26
Speaker 3: And I was like, hell, like I wouldn't date but
38:33
Speaker 3: he's also problematic, so no, but thank you.
38:35
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's also like way older than me.
38:38
Speaker 3: And then also it's the same like when I got
38:40
Speaker 3: the dude who has opening line was I know you're
38:43
Speaker 3: not going to date me? I know that you probably
38:46
Speaker 3: will only date handsome white dudes, and you want to
38:49
Speaker 3: take a chance with me, And he was an Asian dude.
38:51
Speaker 1: I was like, I don't.
38:52
Speaker 3: I don't have a response to this, Like I you
38:54
Speaker 3: didn't say hello, he didn't even say his name.
39:00
Speaker 1: It was immediately on the defensive.
39:02
Speaker 3: And I was like, well, yeah, now I'm scared of you,
39:04
Speaker 3: so absolutely not. I don't like, there's no chance in
39:07
Speaker 3: hell if you had given me a funny line. Right.
39:10
Speaker 2: Well, that's the thing, is like, so much of this
39:13
Speaker 2: to me sounds so defensive. It's it's already like the
39:18
Speaker 2: only reason she doesn't like me is because I'm not
39:22
Speaker 2: bread bitch, But it's it's other things. It's other things.
39:28
Speaker 1: Well, the fact that you're already yelling at me would
39:30
Speaker 1: be the first.
39:30
Speaker 3: Exactly being aggressive on the jump is automatic red flag.
39:37
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, on the play room, dude out.
39:42
Speaker 3: But yeah, and of course, again we're talking about this
39:44
Speaker 3: in very heteronormative conversations. When it comes to chat fishing,
39:47
Speaker 3: it is an in cell group that are going after
39:50
Speaker 3: women who they fill out of the blame for their
39:53
Speaker 3: virginity and lack of happiness, which kind of like they're
39:57
Speaker 3: not completely wrong because they're so focused on being miserable
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Speaker 3: because they don't have something, or they can't have something,
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Speaker 3: or they don't go after the right things. I don't know,
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Speaker 3: but like they may like they make it come true essentially,
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Speaker 3: But it's very concerning that this kind of practice is
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Speaker 3: still happening. And then we talked about AI and what's
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Speaker 3: happening with AI and how quickly that has changed things
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Speaker 3: and how quickly that's will change even further for women
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Speaker 3: who maybe victims of this type of pranks and harmful behaviors.
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Speaker 1: We know it's going to be bad. Oh.
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Speaker 3: I Actually, like we talked about the fact that they're
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Speaker 3: making bad revenge porn just through AI. So there's a
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Speaker 3: lot of conversations of like what this is and what
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Speaker 3: it's going to do in the power of how that's
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Speaker 3: going to be, and what we need to look out
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Speaker 3: for because this practices has already happened even before the technology.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, And I saw a headline about that the
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Speaker 2: other day, that revenge porn is on the riose. It's
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Speaker 2: just it's a lot to look out for when you're
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Speaker 2: just trying to have a date.
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Speaker 1: What.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, well, if anyone is in the dating world. Yeah,
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Speaker 2: we've heard some stories from you all before, but let
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Speaker 2: us know, give.
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Speaker 1: Us updates, give us some good things too. We're not
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Speaker 1: just talking about bad things.
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Speaker 3: But you know, if you try somebody sites that sounds
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Speaker 3: really kind of interesting, let us know.
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