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The Late Debate | 20 August · The Late Debate

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  Speaker 1: Welcome wait to Bay. Well, thanks for joining us on
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  Speaker 1: the late Debate.
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  Speaker 2: I'm James Macpherson with freyer Leitch and filling in for
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  Speaker 2: Caleb Bond Danika di Giorgio coming up tonight. The UK
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  Speaker 2: government's asylum seeker strategy has been thrown into chaos after
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  Speaker 2: the High Court illegal migrants out of a hotel set
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  Speaker 2: aside for them a body wash commercial band for promoting
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  Speaker 2: racial stereotypes, but Colgate Palmolov say they were trying to
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  Speaker 2: satisfy diversity requirements, and Donald Trump says the reason he's
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  Speaker 2: so invested in stopping the Ukraine War is that he
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  Speaker 2: wants to go to heaven. We'll plague those comments a
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  Speaker 2: little later in the show. But first, carjackings are something
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  Speaker 2: you associate with Johannesburg, not Melbourne. But crime in the
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  Speaker 2: Victorian capital is now now so out of control that
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  Speaker 2: the real surprise of yesterday afternoon's attempted carjacking in Richmond
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  Speaker 2: was that it was hardly.
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  Speaker 1: A surprise at all.
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  Speaker 2: Nor was it a surprise that when a man tried
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  Speaker 2: to make off with a woman's car, a dozen by standers,
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  Speaker 2: utterly fed up with lawless Victoria, fought back the car thief,
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  Speaker 2: outnumbered eventually ran for his life. He was lucky to
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  Speaker 2: get out of there.
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  Speaker 1: No night, like I said, with a dozen people chasing him.
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  Speaker 1: He was lucky to escape.
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  Speaker 2: But you have to ask if the guy had been
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  Speaker 2: beaten to within an inch of his life by the crowd,
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  Speaker 2: would the Victorian Labor government have defended the citizens or
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  Speaker 2: would they have insisted the carjacker was the victim. Frayer,
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  Speaker 2: you just wouldn't know in Victoria release.
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  Speaker 3: Days, genuinely, But for someone to be so brazen as
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  Speaker 3: to attempt a carjacking it broad daylights on a busy
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  Speaker 3: road in Richmond. I believe it was just shows you
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  Speaker 3: the diabolical state the.
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  Speaker 4: Victoria is in. That would be absolutely inconceivable.
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  Speaker 3: Imagine walking through the Sydney cbdedal there's a carjacking.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, the mind genuinely boggles.
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  Speaker 3: Is this a state of Australia or as you said,
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  Speaker 3: a developing country. It is something you'd be more likely
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  Speaker 3: to see in South Africa than Melbourne.
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  Speaker 4: It's shocking.
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  Speaker 5: I agree, it's absolutely shocking. First, I've got to say though,
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  Speaker 5: not all heroes wear caps. What's that old saying? And
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  Speaker 5: I just think it's so good to see the Australian
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  Speaker 5: spirit alive. And well, you know, these bystanders jumped in
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  Speaker 5: to help this woman. This woman the victims shoes, I
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  Speaker 5: think aged in her sixties. It could have actually gone
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  Speaker 5: horribly wrong. The fact that one great Aussie got out
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  Speaker 5: of a golf club of all things to chase this
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  Speaker 5: jacker down the road, I think it's incredible. But look,
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  Speaker 5: this is not an isolated incident. Of course, every day
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  Speaker 5: we hear there's a carjacking there, there's a home invasion there.
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  Speaker 5: I mean, this is just one of about ten carjackings
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  Speaker 5: in the last week in Victoria alone. But never mind,
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  Speaker 5: because Justinta Allen will tell you that Victoria has the
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  Speaker 5: tumpest bail laws in the country. I mean, give me
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  Speaker 5: a break. It's really good though, to see good, honest,
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  Speaker 5: hard working Victorians step in when needed and it just
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  Speaker 5: shows the Australian spirit. But absolutely could have gone could
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  Speaker 5: have gone really, really badly wrong.
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  Speaker 2: You know not what just Into Ellen is likely to do. Now,
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  Speaker 2: She'll set up bins all over Victoria so you can
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  Speaker 2: hand in your golf club so you're not tempted to
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  Speaker 2: use them to stop Kathy or.
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  Speaker 3: The keys of the car you've stolen, and see if
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  Speaker 3: you hand back the keys of the car hide.
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  Speaker 1: So criming Victoria.
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  Speaker 2: According to the ABC, they reported criming Victoria is up
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  Speaker 2: in the year to March seventeen percent. That's ninety two
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  Speaker 2: thousand extra offenses just in the first three months of
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  Speaker 2: this year. And another report said only sixty one percent
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  Speaker 2: of Victorians have any confidence whatsoever in the police. I'm
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  Speaker 2: not suggesting it'st the police's fault. I think they've had
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  Speaker 2: very little support from courts and even less from the.
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  Speaker 1: Labor government anyone.
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  Speaker 2: That people are taking it into their own hands to
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  Speaker 2: defend one another.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Well, I remember when I was in Victoria a couple
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  Speaker 3: months ago, and I'm shocked by how many houses had
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  Speaker 3: full on security cameras, gates, locks like.
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  Speaker 4: These places were fortresses.
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  Speaker 3: And you said, well, I leave my door unlocked half
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  Speaker 3: the time, fairly Melbourne.
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  Speaker 2: And I saw people with You know, when you go
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  Speaker 2: to developing countries, I don't think, well they to call
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  Speaker 2: them third world countries anymore. And they have like bits
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  Speaker 2: of broken glass along the top of the fences to stratum.
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  Speaker 2: I saw that in Victoria, which I've never seen before.
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  Speaker 5: Night you raise a good point though, I think that
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  Speaker 5: police are trying their very best. But police are not
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  Speaker 5: the issue here. And you know, good on our officers
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  Speaker 5: for really really trying hard. They're the ones are saying
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  Speaker 5: when they go to court, no, we need these people locked,
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  Speaker 5: put them away. We can't keep chasing after them. The
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  Speaker 5: problem is just in to Allan, and the problem is
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  Speaker 5: also the law court. The mail system is absolutely broken.
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  Speaker 5: And this is not just in Victoria's across the country.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, well, thank goodness for those good ussy patriots who
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  Speaker 3: are rising up and protecting their fellow citizen. I want
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  Speaker 3: to speak to you though about some other patriots.
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  Speaker 4: Over in the UK.
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  Speaker 3: There's a movement called Operation Raise the Colors, where patriotic
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  Speaker 3: Britons are taking to the streets and flying Union jacks
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  Speaker 3: and Saint George flags all around the place. The councils,
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  Speaker 3: who obviously are deeply offended by the presence of Union jacks,
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  Speaker 3: are scrambling to go take them down. Here's a video
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  Speaker 3: of one group putting them back up just out of
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  Speaker 3: council reach.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, you get it as all as your can.
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  Speaker 4: Labs put one on the moon.
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  Speaker 1: Well, the one on the moon's at the top of
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  Speaker 1: the roads.
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  Speaker 6: They're not coming Dow. We're getting these flag mobile.
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  Speaker 2: We're getting because it's been taken down a couple toms,
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  Speaker 2: so the government somewhere where paper can't reach and that
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  Speaker 2: is the end of that.
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  Speaker 3: So hundreds or even thousands of people all across the
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  Speaker 3: UK have been putting up all these flags across the country,
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  Speaker 3: as they should. It's the national flag. But the lefties
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  Speaker 3: in the media were not so happy about it.
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  Speaker 4: Take a look.
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  Speaker 7: You get something called Operation Rears the Colors.
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  Speaker 2: That sounds very military, it sounds very aggressive.
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  Speaker 6: People an't putting on this flag to celebrate Britain. They're
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  Speaker 6: putting up this flag to remind us that Britain is
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  Speaker 6: why and we shouldn't be here.
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  Speaker 3: So patriotism, you know, it is actually very militaristic, very violent,
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  Speaker 3: very racist to just want to fly.
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  Speaker 4: Your own flag in your own country.
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  Speaker 2: Well, if you fly a Pride flag, that's not aggressive,
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  Speaker 2: or a pro Palestinian flag that's not aggressive.
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  Speaker 1: You could fly a terrorist flag that's.
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  Speaker 2: Not a great But if you fly the Union Jack,
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  Speaker 2: that's aggressive. The fact is people are sick of being
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  Speaker 2: made to feel like they should be ashamed of their
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  Speaker 2: own country. This is not having a shot at migrants.
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  Speaker 2: This is simply British people saying we want to be
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  Speaker 2: proud of our own culture and heritage. And the response
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  Speaker 2: from some of those lefties that we saw there only
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  Speaker 2: serves to reinforce the upset that so many Brits feel.
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  Speaker 1: But can you really blame them?
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  Speaker 2: Remember just was it last week Sadik Khan, the Mayor
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  Speaker 2: of London, said he wanted to invite Donald Trump tour London.
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  Speaker 2: And listen to how Sadik Khan describes what's important about London.
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  Speaker 6: Come to London, let me take let me shame around.
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  Speaker 6: I'll wonder if for diverse communities, let me take them
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  Speaker 6: on the Pride March that's come in summer. Next summer,
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  Speaker 6: let me take them to a mosque?
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  Speaker 2: Is it any wonder that locals feel like it's not
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  Speaker 2: there pre anymore? And here's the lariest problem, right that
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  Speaker 2: the Brits, along with everyone else in Europe, are really
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  Speaker 2: worried about war with Russia. They're increasing spending, they're trying
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  Speaker 2: to recruit more to the military. It's interested in comments
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  Speaker 2: in the media about these Union jacks being raised and
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  Speaker 2: councils trying to pull them down. And I read a
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  Speaker 2: number of comments from people who had served in the
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  Speaker 2: military saying they would advise their children do not join up.
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  Speaker 2: It's not worth it. The country they once knew is
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  Speaker 2: no longer worth serving. And when you've got those sentiments
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  Speaker 2: being expressed, and I would suggest those sentiments are not isolated,
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  Speaker 2: they are increasingly common here too, you've got a major problem.
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  Speaker 5: Well, the thing is what are you fighting for? Who
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  Speaker 5: are you fighting That's the point, because I think that
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  Speaker 5: Western democracies in particular have lost their identity through the fact.
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  Speaker 5: I do think a lot of it has to do
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  Speaker 5: with people being brought into the country from cultures who
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  Speaker 5: are so far removed from Western democracies, and I think
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  Speaker 5: that that is part of the problem. But you know,
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  Speaker 5: I find it we're at a crossroads right now because
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  Speaker 5: we've got a situation where if you are proud of
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  Speaker 5: your flag, you want to fly flag, you are patriotic,
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  Speaker 5: you love your country, you are considered to be far right. Well,
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  Speaker 5: it's not far right to love your country or to
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  Speaker 5: fly your flag. And then on the other side, like
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  Speaker 5: what you've got, for example, in the Birmingham Council over
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  Speaker 5: in the UK, where they're now so scared to pull
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  Speaker 5: down Palestinian flags and they want police guard. If they're
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  Speaker 5: going to pull down Palestinian flags, it just speaks to
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  Speaker 5: everything that is wrong with Britain right now. But you
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  Speaker 5: go and pull down those flags and suddenly you're labeled
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  Speaker 5: a racist. So we're really at a juncture, I think,
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  Speaker 5: and I think that the Birmingham Council in particular are
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  Speaker 5: acting like a bunch of bedweatherers. For goodness sakes, you
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  Speaker 5: are the United Kingdom, Okay, you should be proud to
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  Speaker 5: hang the Union Jack or the flag of Saint George
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  Speaker 5: and not be intimidated. But the problem is is that
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  Speaker 5: in one part of Birmingham about eighty percent are Muslim
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  Speaker 5: and that is what they're most afraid about. And I
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  Speaker 5: don't I think it's an isolated incident. We've seen it here,
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  Speaker 5: for example in Western Sydney where we've got similar sentiments,
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  Speaker 5: but it is purely ideological in my view. But that's
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  Speaker 5: where it's gotten to now.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, for sure, and we risk going down a similar
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  Speaker 3: pathway here in Australia unless we get back to a
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  Speaker 3: sensible conservatism where you can actually have pride and have
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  Speaker 3: a bit of patriotism without being labeled far right or
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  Speaker 3: disparaged by the left wing media.
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  Speaker 1: It's funny you're saying, Thanika, if you believe in nationalism,
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  Speaker 1: you're far right. Yeah, and I thought, you know, if you.
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  Speaker 2: Believe that sex is fixed biological reality, you're far right
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  Speaker 2: as well.
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  Speaker 5: Well, you're a bigot.
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  Speaker 2: If you believe in norms, you're a far right extremist.
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  Speaker 2: The only way to get along these days is just
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  Speaker 2: to thru up your hands and say anything.
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  Speaker 5: Well, ghost, that's it. We'll look sticking with the UK. Now,
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  Speaker 5: when I say this, I feel like you're going to
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  Speaker 5: be quite shocked. But a UK council has won the
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  Speaker 5: right to close down an asylum seeker hotel. I mean,
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  Speaker 5: doesn't it sound absolutely ridiculous the very sets of it.
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  Speaker 5: But yes, the Bell Hotel in Epping, this is in Sussex,
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  Speaker 5: has been used to house asylum seekers as part of
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  Speaker 5: Labour's asylum accommodation scheme, and all at the expensive taxpayers,
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  Speaker 5: by the way, to the tune of fifteen point three
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  Speaker 5: billion pounds that's about thirty one million Australian dollars.
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  Speaker 4: And now, after.
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  Speaker 5: Weeks of protests, people locals very rightly, very concerned, particularly
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  Speaker 5: given that some of those asylum seekers have actually been
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  Speaker 5: charged with sex offenses. So after weeks of protests, now
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  Speaker 5: the High Court has ruled that migrants must be removed
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  Speaker 5: from that particular hotel. And this is despite the fact
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  Speaker 5: that the Home Office, happy eleventh hour, actually tried to
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  Speaker 5: block the injunction. But look what you're seeing on your
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  Speaker 5: screens now are just some of the protests. Now. I
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  Speaker 5: will mention that there was a fringe of this that
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  Speaker 5: was definitely far right, very small fringe, but majority of
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  Speaker 5: people that have been protesting over the last few weeks
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  Speaker 5: were locals in Epping who are naturally very very concerned.
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  Speaker 5: So what I would take away from this is that
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  Speaker 5: protests have worked here. Common sense and goodwill has actually
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  Speaker 5: won in this case. But it's really sent a bomb
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  Speaker 5: up this absolutely ridiculous scheme. It's in tatters. This is
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  Speaker 5: a victory for locals. This is a victory for mum
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  Speaker 5: and dads who were very very worried for the safety
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  Speaker 5: of themselves and for the safety of their children, given
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  Speaker 5: as I said, the criminal history of some of these
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  Speaker 5: asylum seekers. But it should never have gotten to this
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  Speaker 5: in the first place, right when you have got an
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  Speaker 5: open border policy. This is exactly what happens. Now, all
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  Speaker 5: you need to do is look at what happened here
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  Speaker 5: in Australia to stop the boats under Tony Abbott. Look
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  Speaker 5: how well and efficiently it works. Why because he put
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  Speaker 5: his foot down, He cracked down on it. Over in
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  Speaker 5: the UK, it's an absolute monumental disaster and I do
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  Speaker 5: not think that this High Court decision will stop it.
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  Speaker 5: It's going to stop it when they actually deport these people.
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  Speaker 5: You shouldn't be in that country as it is. They
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  Speaker 5: need to set a precedent and send them back.
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  Speaker 2: The Open Council appealed to the High Court on the
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  Speaker 2: basis of three things. Number one that using the hotel
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  Speaker 2: to house asylum seekers was a breach of planning regulations,
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  Speaker 2: second that it created safety issues for locals, and third
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  Speaker 2: it was a catalyst for violent protests. And the Court
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  Speaker 2: agreed with all those three things, but the key issue
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  Speaker 2: was the Government had bypassed any sort of objection period
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  Speaker 2: to the hotel being used for purposes other than what
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  Speaker 2: it was approved for in terms of the planning regulation.
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  Speaker 2: So that now has implications for councils right across the
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  Speaker 2: UK who can use the same argument. And the High
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  Speaker 2: Court having established a precedent, the government are now worried
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  Speaker 2: that this might close down their entire plan for housing
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  Speaker 2: asylum seekers. What got my attention FORREI was a government
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  Speaker 2: spokesperson interviewed in the media said, and I quote, they
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  Speaker 2: were worried this could become the new norm. Now, what
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  Speaker 2: got my attention was they say the new norm could
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  Speaker 2: be hotels not being used for asylum seekers. How is
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  Speaker 2: that for gas lighting that we are assumed to believe
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  Speaker 2: it's normal for hotels to be commandeered by the government
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  Speaker 2: to put illegal MICUs in.
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  Speaker 1: That's normal. Anything else is abnormal.
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  Speaker 2: It's amazing how quickly that narrative is shifted and we're
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  Speaker 2: supposed to be on board.
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  Speaker 1: With the new ideology.
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  Speaker 3: Well, I would be panicking if I were the UK government,
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  Speaker 3: because they've got thirty two thousand asylum seekers being put
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  Speaker 3: up in two hundred and ten hotels across the country.
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  Speaker 3: That is a huge number of people. They initially looked
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  Speaker 3: at moving these people to Rwanda. They spent seven hundred
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  Speaker 3: million dollars on trying to establish the scheme, only for
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  Speaker 3: it to be deemed unlawful and only four people actually
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  Speaker 3: ended up being moved to Rwanda four people for seven
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  Speaker 3: hundred million pounds I should say pounds.
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  Speaker 4: So the UK if they don't get this under control.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, this is great for Nigel Faraj, it's great
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  Speaker 3: for the reform because they are just going to keep
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  Speaker 3: on winning. Sarma was elected saying he was going to
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  Speaker 3: reign in illegal migration, which admittedly was something the Tories
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  Speaker 3: just catastrophically failed to deal with. But they have also
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  Speaker 3: failed And the reality is, unless you withdraw from the
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  Speaker 3: European Convention on Human Rights, you actually don't have sovereignty
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  Speaker 3: over your borders and how you deal with these people.
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  Speaker 3: You need to withdraw from that, and then you need
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  Speaker 3: to deport them.
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  Speaker 5: Well, I mean the UK is not going to do
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  Speaker 5: that because they are so woke, I mean Learstarma. It
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  Speaker 5: has to be absolutely one of the worst leaders around
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  Speaker 5: the world. But I actually think that this will spur
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  Speaker 5: UK labor on now to go even harder on migrant hotels,
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  Speaker 5: simply because they don't know where they're going to put
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  Speaker 5: all these people. Well, and that's half the.
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  Speaker 1: Problem on that point.
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  Speaker 2: I'm just wondering how many illegal migrants you could fit
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  Speaker 2: into ten Downing Street.
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  Speaker 1: Well, is that potentially a solution here.
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  Speaker 5: Oh so Dee Kahan put them in London somewhere, you
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  Speaker 5: take it.
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  Speaker 1: He loves it.
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  Speaker 2: So though we're here in Australia, so we can be
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  Speaker 2: critical of the UK labor government policies, but you wouldn't
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  Speaker 2: want to say anything if you lived in the UK
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  Speaker 2: because last year, twelve thousand people in the UK were
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  Speaker 2: arrested for crimes of speech.
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  Speaker 1: And that's about thirty people a day being arrested on
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  Speaker 1: speech crimes.
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  Speaker 2: And just last month, the UK announced the National Internet
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  Speaker 2: Intelligence Investigations Team to monitor anti migrant views expressed online. Now,
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  Speaker 2: there are countless examples of people who have been arrested
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  Speaker 2: by the police because they dared to tweet the wrong
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  Speaker 2: thing or say the wrong thing in a group chat.
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  Speaker 2: Classic example Bernadette Spotforth, who happened to retweet a comment
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  Speaker 2: criticizing a recently arrived asylum seeker for murdering three young girls.
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  Speaker 2: Now it turned out that it wasn't a recently arrived
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  Speaker 2: asylum seeker. She realized that and deleted the tweet, but
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  Speaker 2: no matter. Four police cars turned up to her house
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  Speaker 2: and she was in prison for thirty six hours before
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  Speaker 2: finally being released.
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  Speaker 1: That's for a tweet simply retweeting.
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  Speaker 2: Someone else, then realizing actually it wasn't true and deleting it.
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  Speaker 2: Maxi Allen commented on WhatsApp about his local primary school's
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  Speaker 2: failure to replace the head teacher. Next minute, he had
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  Speaker 2: six police on his doorstep and was arrested.
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  Speaker 1: JD. Vance spoke about this recently.
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  Speaker 2: Freyer because the UK's crackdown on free speech has become
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  Speaker 2: so authoritarian, it's even been noticed in the White House
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  Speaker 2: where the Vice President has been speaking in the UK
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  Speaker 2: saying we're wondering whether the US still has common values
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  Speaker 2: with the UK, when freedom of speech would be a
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  Speaker 2: pretty sort of a primary foundational value.
• 17:33
  Speaker 1: But we're just wondering if you guys hold that value anymore.
• 17:36
  Speaker 3: Oh, it's shocking. I mean, first you think, is this
• 17:38
  Speaker 3: actually a democracy? Because in democracy we have in Australia
• 17:43
  Speaker 3: we have an implied right to freedom of political communication.
• 17:46
  Speaker 4: In the UK you have the same thing.
• 17:48
  Speaker 3: You actually should be able to express views even if
• 17:52
  Speaker 3: they're offensive, even if they're not very tolerant or nice.
• 17:56
  Speaker 3: That's how democracy actually works. At the point where anyone
• 18:01
  Speaker 3: expressing a mildly offensive view or even a wrong view
• 18:05
  Speaker 3: that they then delete, can now be locked up.
• 18:08
  Speaker 4: That is so dangerous.
• 18:09
  Speaker 3: Secondly, the waste of police resources on this must be
• 18:14
  Speaker 3: monumental as you have soaring crime rates in London. London
• 18:18
  Speaker 3: is dealing with people around the UK dealing with horrible staff,
• 18:21
  Speaker 3: all the fallout from the migrant crisis, and you've got
• 18:24
  Speaker 3: police not dealing with genuine crime, dealing with non violent
• 18:29
  Speaker 3: hate incidences. I mean, where are your priorities? And my
• 18:32
  Speaker 3: third question is who is making the complaints against these people?
• 18:36
  Speaker 3: Because they should also be ashamed. They should be ashamed
• 18:39
  Speaker 3: of what they're doing, because that's the only reason these
• 18:41
  Speaker 3: police know to come after people for social media. And
• 18:44
  Speaker 3: if you're one of those people complaining about what someone's
• 18:47
  Speaker 3: posting online, get a life, become a patriot and shut up.
• 18:50
  Speaker 2: We got to point out last twelve thousand arrests for
• 18:53
  Speaker 2: speech crimes that say, three hundred arrests for carthef But
• 18:57
  Speaker 2: this is goes.
• 18:58
  Speaker 5: Back to Freyer's point, the amount of time, energy and
• 19:01
  Speaker 5: police resourcing that is being spent on arresting twelve thousand
• 19:04
  Speaker 5: people per year for what expressing a legitimate opinion that
• 19:08
  Speaker 5: one or two people might find offensive. But this is
• 19:11
  Speaker 5: a problem. Who is making the decision. And this is
• 19:13
  Speaker 5: where it gets blurt. Is it a bureaucrat sitting at
• 19:16
  Speaker 5: ten Downing Street going, you know what, I'm offended by that?
• 19:19
  Speaker 5: That's wrong?
• 19:20
  Speaker 8: Is it?
• 19:20
  Speaker 5: Who is it is? Someone sitting in a corner office going, actually,
• 19:23
  Speaker 5: you know what, that's misinformation. That's not right. But this
• 19:27
  Speaker 5: is not just pertaining to the UK. I mean, look
• 19:28
  Speaker 5: what happened here in Australia last year. Remember end of
• 19:30
  Speaker 5: last year, Labor desperately tried to rush through its misinformation
• 19:35
  Speaker 5: laws because it wanted to decide or the E Safety Commissioner,
• 19:38
  Speaker 5: the E Safeties are wanted to decide is what is
• 19:42
  Speaker 5: misinformation and what is not? And this is where it
• 19:45
  Speaker 5: gets really really dangerous.
• 19:46
  Speaker 2: Do you remember I just sent to a den in
• 19:48
  Speaker 2: the UK in New Zealand during COVID saying famously, the
• 19:52
  Speaker 2: government is your sole source of ah. Well, so these
• 19:56
  Speaker 2: laws are not to protect asylum seekers, they're not to
• 19:58
  Speaker 2: protect children detect the government from criticism.
• 20:02
  Speaker 1: That's clearly exactly.
• 20:03
  Speaker 5: But even over in the UK there there's quite a
• 20:05
  Speaker 5: high profile one. The woman's name is Lucy Connolly and
• 20:07
  Speaker 5: I'm not sure if you're familiar with that, but she
• 20:10
  Speaker 5: made comments on her ex after Southport the stabbings where
• 20:14
  Speaker 5: three young girls were killed in a dance club. Now
• 20:17
  Speaker 5: she said that she called for mass deportation now and
• 20:21
  Speaker 5: also said hotels housing asylum seekers should be set on fire.
• 20:25
  Speaker 5: She said, if this makes me racist, I don't care.
• 20:28
  Speaker 5: That post was viewed three hundred and ten thousand times
• 20:30
  Speaker 5: before she then took it down and then she was jailed.
• 20:33
  Speaker 2: Well I have a problem with that though, if you
• 20:35
  Speaker 2: advocate for asylum seek hotels to be burned down, well,
• 20:38
  Speaker 2: it was to me that's inciting.
• 20:40
  Speaker 5: No, But she said so she called for mass deportation
• 20:42
  Speaker 5: now on an ex post which then also had underneath
• 20:45
  Speaker 5: it that it should be so she was, I think,
• 20:47
  Speaker 5: in essence retweeting it with her own commentary about it.
• 20:51
  Speaker 5: That's how that is my general understanding of what's happened here.
• 20:54
  Speaker 5: But thirty one months in prison for it, thirty one
• 20:57
  Speaker 5: months now. I agree that if it blows a line
• 20:59
  Speaker 5: in violence and hate, I understand that. But still, you
• 21:04
  Speaker 5: know where's the line's the problem.
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: And the lines clean?
• 21:08
  Speaker 2: You can't define people and you can't incite violence. Outside
• 21:12
  Speaker 2: of that, everything's fair game, right, and the excuse.
• 21:15
  Speaker 3: The government will use and we heard Chrismans say a
• 21:18
  Speaker 3: very similar thing here. He said, well, you know, we're
• 21:20
  Speaker 3: a multicultural society and to preserve cohesion we have to
• 21:24
  Speaker 3: essentially shut down people's free speech. If you have to
• 21:28
  Speaker 3: limit people's free speech just to preserve the semblance of
• 21:31
  Speaker 3: a cohesive society, guess what, you don't have a cohesive society.
• 21:36
  Speaker 3: It's already way too late. But something that is offending
• 21:40
  Speaker 3: people is an ad from the company sat X for
• 21:43
  Speaker 3: shower gel. It's been banned by the Advertising Standards Authority
• 21:48
  Speaker 3: over in the UK for being racist. We're going to
• 21:51
  Speaker 3: show you this ad and let us know what you think.
• 21:55
  Speaker 9: To those who might scratch day and night, to those
• 21:57
  Speaker 9: who seemly feel dried out and by water, trying to
• 22:01
  Speaker 9: take a shower with the new Samax's skin therapy and
• 22:04
  Speaker 9: it's patented amino acid complex for twenty four hour hydration,
• 22:08
  Speaker 9: feel really could be as simple as a shower certified
• 22:11
  Speaker 9: by the British Skin Foundation.
• 22:14
  Speaker 3: So people complained because it was a person with dark
• 22:17
  Speaker 3: skin cracked and itchy before they used the product, and
• 22:21
  Speaker 3: then smooth and moisturized after they used the product, And
• 22:25
  Speaker 3: the argument was that they were reinforcing negative stereotypes about
• 22:29
  Speaker 3: people with dark skin.
• 22:31
  Speaker 4: But here's the irony.
• 22:32
  Speaker 3: In Sanex's defense, they said, no, no, it wasn't intended
• 22:37
  Speaker 3: to be racist. This was actually us trying to highlight
• 22:40
  Speaker 3: our products on diverse people. So d I backfired once
• 22:46
  Speaker 3: again in their effort to be so woke, so virtue
• 22:49
  Speaker 3: signaling they've actually just been accused of racism.
• 22:52
  Speaker 5: D I in this case has literally eaten itself alive.
• 22:56
  Speaker 5: It's burnt itself so much it's got itchy skin, just
• 22:58
  Speaker 5: like in this add good anyway, diversity is clearly coming
• 23:02
  Speaker 5: back to buy you. Look what happened. It's the same
• 23:04
  Speaker 5: thing that happen, for example, with a jaguar and when
• 23:06
  Speaker 5: it just comes back to bite you because it just
• 23:09
  Speaker 5: doesn't work. But also I just want to say that
• 23:11
  Speaker 5: there must be pretty woke there at that board, the
• 23:14
  Speaker 5: advertising standards authority to say that it could be interpreted
• 23:18
  Speaker 5: as of suggesting white skin was superior to black skin.
• 23:21
  Speaker 5: It's an ad for goodness sake. I mean, people are
• 23:24
  Speaker 5: looking into things with this fine magnifying glass these days
• 23:28
  Speaker 5: that perpetually outrage, desperate to find something wrong, desperate to complain,
• 23:33
  Speaker 5: and you know, in the end, I think half the
• 23:35
  Speaker 5: battle is that advertising agencies feel this need now to
• 23:39
  Speaker 5: put people of color or ethnic people of race in
• 23:43
  Speaker 5: their ads because otherwise they think that they're going to
• 23:45
  Speaker 5: be in trouble for it, and when they do, it backfires.
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: What I got to admit, I think you would have
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: to be racist to see racism in that PA.
• 23:54
  Speaker 4: I agree.
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: I like to watch it a couple of times before
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: I figured out what is the problem yet.
• 23:58
  Speaker 2: And the other thing I'd like to know is if
• 23:59
  Speaker 2: it were versed, if it was a white model with itchy,
• 24:02
  Speaker 2: craped skin and then they use the product and then hey,
• 24:06
  Speaker 2: prest though it's another person feeling fantastic and it's black skin,
• 24:10
  Speaker 2: would that have been a problem. And one more thing,
• 24:12
  Speaker 2: the advertising standards authority that you mentioned, they actually found
• 24:16
  Speaker 2: that the company did not mean to perpetuate racial stereotypes.
• 24:19
  Speaker 2: There was no ill intent, and so they accepted the
• 24:23
  Speaker 2: company's explanation, but still banned it because some people might
• 24:27
  Speaker 2: take it the wrong way. Well, if people take something
• 24:29
  Speaker 2: the wrong way, they've taken it the wrong way. You
• 24:32
  Speaker 2: can't then clean up the mess and ban everything just
• 24:35
  Speaker 2: because some people get their wires crossed.
• 24:37
  Speaker 5: And to be honest, I was actually more offended or
• 24:39
  Speaker 5: I just felt a bit sickened looking at the vision
• 24:42
  Speaker 5: of and it was just I know I was overdone,
• 24:44
  Speaker 5: but the cracked skin put me off more than anything else.
• 24:48
  Speaker 5: I would not have noticed the white the black. But
• 24:51
  Speaker 5: again it comes down to the perpetually outraged. Now look,
• 24:55
  Speaker 5: let's move on. Because a park ranger at Yosemite National
• 24:59
  Speaker 5: Park who identifies as non binary. So ready you can
• 25:03
  Speaker 5: see where this is going. This is going absolutely nowhere
• 25:08
  Speaker 5: good will. They have been fired after being caught hurling
• 25:13
  Speaker 5: a unhurling a transgender flag while climbing one of the
• 25:19
  Speaker 5: famous rock formations there at your set semity called El Capitan. Now,
• 25:24
  Speaker 5: this happened back in May. This is Shannon sj Jocelyn.
• 25:27
  Speaker 5: She's thirty five years old and she was first hired
• 25:30
  Speaker 5: as a range up. Sorry not she they I absolutely
• 25:35
  Speaker 5: apologized profusely for my stuff up. They Vygue or them
• 25:40
  Speaker 5: whatever they want to be called. Was hired as a ranger,
• 25:44
  Speaker 5: thank you, James, and a wildlife biologist at the park
• 25:47
  Speaker 5: in twenty twenty one. And they say it was a
• 25:50
  Speaker 5: dream job. This is what they've built their whole career
• 25:52
  Speaker 5: up for. Until, of course, Shannon brought that flag, climbed
• 25:56
  Speaker 5: up with a bunch of activists and just let it
• 25:59
  Speaker 5: rip ripped. Well, you know, thousands of people were trying
• 26:02
  Speaker 5: to enjoy their day out at Yr seventy National Park.
• 26:05
  Speaker 5: They wanted to look at the rock formation, wanted to
• 26:07
  Speaker 5: look at the scenery, and yet were met with ideology. Now,
• 26:10
  Speaker 5: this is what I thought was hilarious because this Shannon
• 26:13
  Speaker 5: has taken to her Instagram and she's put they've put
• 26:16
  Speaker 5: I want my rights and my career back in capital letters.
• 26:20
  Speaker 5: Nothing about it had anything.
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: To do with my work.
• 26:24
  Speaker 5: Well that's that's actually what the problem is. You see
• 26:27
  Speaker 5: that you've answered your own question essentially, Shannon, because how
• 26:31
  Speaker 5: about not staging this ideological activism, as I said, in
• 26:35
  Speaker 5: the middle of a national monument, a beautiful national monument.
• 26:40
  Speaker 5: And bear in mind, this flag wasn't small. I've had
• 26:43
  Speaker 5: a look at the measurements. Fifty five feet by thirty
• 26:45
  Speaker 5: five feet that's equivalent to sixteen meters by ten meters.
• 26:49
  Speaker 5: This thing was a beast that they've unfurled, right, and
• 26:53
  Speaker 5: at the end they all shouted trans lives matter. So
• 26:57
  Speaker 5: not even National Parks prayer are safe from this crew.
• 27:02
  Speaker 3: Even the rocks aren't safe even the rocks can be
• 27:05
  Speaker 3: targeted by the trans It's just so absurd. It's hard
• 27:09
  Speaker 3: to take this story seriously. And the idea that she
• 27:12
  Speaker 3: thinks it says nothing to do with her work. You
• 27:15
  Speaker 3: are a park ranger. You help people get to the
• 27:17
  Speaker 3: top of this mountain, which, by the way, is an
• 27:20
  Speaker 3: impressive fee to get up there. So she they I'd
• 27:24
  Speaker 3: be arrested in the ukf.
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: All there is.
• 27:25
  Speaker 3: She won't do that, you know, like, this is clearly
• 27:30
  Speaker 3: her using her job to advance a political ideology on
• 27:34
  Speaker 3: a national park.
• 27:36
  Speaker 4: Just let the rocks be. Leave the rocks alone.
• 27:39
  Speaker 8: Yeah.
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: They is non binary and they is now non employed.
• 27:43
  Speaker 2: And the reason they did this was because Donald Trump
• 27:47
  Speaker 2: had banned transgendered people from participating in women's sport, and
• 27:51
  Speaker 2: so they decided to protest that. The problem is they
• 27:54
  Speaker 2: is working for a federal agency as a national park ranger,
• 27:58
  Speaker 2: which means you come under the auspices of Donald Trump,
• 28:01
  Speaker 2: who has also banned federal agents from using pronouns in
• 28:05
  Speaker 2: their signatures, from using any other pronouns other than he
• 28:10
  Speaker 2: or she and so. And by the way, who else
• 28:14
  Speaker 2: hangs flags on rock formations in Yosemity Park. No one
• 28:18
  Speaker 2: else is doing it. This was clearly a political statement.
• 28:21
  Speaker 2: The fact that they said I did it on my
• 28:23
  Speaker 2: own time, Well, if you haven't a flag on the
• 28:26
  Speaker 2: Sky News studios, do you think sky would be?
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: But I did it on my own time. I know
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: you're gone, So they is looking for a new job.
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: Good luck with that. Let's come home again.
• 28:37
  Speaker 2: Where of course, the government's decision to recognize a state
• 28:41
  Speaker 2: of Palestine continues to cause all sort of debate and argument.
• 28:46
  Speaker 2: Benjaminett Yahoo, the Israeli Prime Minister, tweeted the other day
• 28:50
  Speaker 2: history will remember Albanezi for what he is, a weak
• 28:53
  Speaker 2: politician who betrayed Israel and abandoned Australia's Jews. Now a
• 28:58
  Speaker 2: lot of people have said that would have been better
• 29:00
  Speaker 2: communicated behind closed doors. I don't disagree with that, but
• 29:04
  Speaker 2: maybe it's a measure of the frustration that the leader
• 29:07
  Speaker 2: of Israel feels having been pretty much abandoned by all
• 29:10
  Speaker 2: those he once thought of as allies, whether France, Canada
• 29:14
  Speaker 2: and now Australia. Anthony Albinezi responded that he's always respectful
• 29:19
  Speaker 2: and diplomatic in his dealings with world leaders, so Albaneze
• 29:23
  Speaker 2: didn't miss a chance to take the high road and
• 29:25
  Speaker 2: further push Benjamin Netanyahoo down. Tony Burke, however, wasn't quite
• 29:31
  Speaker 2: so diplomatic and nuanced.
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: Here's some of his response to Netnahu's criticism.
• 29:37
  Speaker 7: Strength is not measured by how many people you can
• 29:42
  Speaker 7: blow up or how many children you can leave hungary.
• 29:47
  Speaker 7: Strength is much better measured by exactly what Prime Minister
• 29:52
  Speaker 7: Anthony Albernezi has done.
• 29:54
  Speaker 2: It doesn't matter how you lower your voice or how
• 29:57
  Speaker 2: slowly you speak. When you accuse is of just wanting
• 30:01
  Speaker 2: to blow people up and starve children, you're just making
• 30:05
  Speaker 2: it worse. That was not moral, That was not the
• 30:07
  Speaker 2: high ground. That was not Tony Burke being better than Netanyahoo.
• 30:11
  Speaker 2: That was almost passive aggressive.
• 30:14
  Speaker 4: That, I mean, genuinely is so deeply offensive.
• 30:19
  Speaker 3: I am angry on behalf of Israel, on behalf of
• 30:23
  Speaker 3: everyone who serves in the IDF. I mean to imply
• 30:27
  Speaker 3: that Israel all they care about is bombing people and
• 30:31
  Speaker 3: starving children, and implying that nat Nya who does that
• 30:34
  Speaker 3: as a way to show strength, is so insulting. And
• 30:39
  Speaker 3: I would say, just deeply, deeply, deeply offensive. Would he
• 30:43
  Speaker 3: speak like that about anyone else? I doubt it and
• 30:46
  Speaker 3: what it screens is that this is a government that
• 30:49
  Speaker 3: has never had to fight a war, that has never
• 30:52
  Speaker 3: had a personal experience with jihadis terrorism, that has never
• 30:57
  Speaker 3: been to Israel. In fact, Tony Burke went to the
• 31:00
  Speaker 3: West Bank back in twenty seventeen on a Palestinian lobby
• 31:04
  Speaker 3: funded to us. You can guarantee the kind of perception
• 31:07
  Speaker 3: of the Holy Land he gathered from that. None of
• 31:10
  Speaker 3: them have watched the October seven footage. Penny Wong refused
• 31:13
  Speaker 3: to visit the kibbutz that were ravaged by Hamas on
• 31:16
  Speaker 3: October seven. This is a government that has repeatedly turned
• 31:20
  Speaker 3: a blind eye to the atrocities that were committed against
• 31:24
  Speaker 3: the Jewish people on October seven, and yet now are
• 31:28
  Speaker 3: condemning them for acting in self defense, for trying to
• 31:31
  Speaker 3: get their hostages back, for doing what any other country
• 31:34
  Speaker 3: in the world would do if they were in that position.
• 31:37
  Speaker 3: So it speaks of just their arrogance and their condescending attitude,
• 31:42
  Speaker 3: and it's disgusted.
• 31:43
  Speaker 1: Let's have a listen to some more of what he said,
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: and thanker. I'll get you humma.
• 31:48
  Speaker 7: And I also have a view that words can be bullets.
• 31:52
  Speaker 7: Now you know, I can't stop what comes into people
• 31:55
  Speaker 7: through news shows. I can't stop what reaches people over
• 31:58
  Speaker 7: the internet. But I do have a personal responsibility as
• 32:02
  Speaker 7: to whether or not Australia formally holds out a welcome
• 32:06
  Speaker 7: matt to people with extreme views and says come and
• 32:10
  Speaker 7: express them here.
• 32:11
  Speaker 5: Yeah, all right, well let's talk about the opening the
• 32:14
  Speaker 5: welcome mat to people with extreme views. Okay, we've had
• 32:18
  Speaker 5: what three thousand gardens led into this country with little
• 32:22
  Speaker 5: to nose security checks. You recall that story a couple
• 32:25
  Speaker 5: of weeks ago about a woman who was granted an
• 32:28
  Speaker 5: entertainment visa of all things, despite the fact that she
• 32:31
  Speaker 5: had publicly and openly on her social media celebrated the
• 32:34
  Speaker 5: October seven massacre, and it was only canceled after it
• 32:37
  Speaker 5: was brought to the attention old the Home Affairs Department
• 32:40
  Speaker 5: by the media and then further exposed by the Coalition.
• 32:43
  Speaker 5: So if you want to talk about welcome the welcome
• 32:45
  Speaker 5: matt to Tony Burke, maybe you might want to have
• 32:48
  Speaker 5: a look at your own department first. The saddest part
• 32:51
  Speaker 5: about all of this, and the saddest part about all
• 32:53
  Speaker 5: those those comments by Tony Burke are an absolute disgrace
• 32:58
  Speaker 5: but once again I find it's so offensive that Labor
• 33:01
  Speaker 5: is selling out our values for its own political standing,
• 33:05
  Speaker 5: and what it's doing is well. Obviously this suits Labor
• 33:08
  Speaker 5: very politically because it suits a certain percentage of its
• 33:12
  Speaker 5: constituents in areas like Western Sydney. And at the meantime,
• 33:16
  Speaker 5: Australia has become a shell of its former self because
• 33:20
  Speaker 5: of what Labor is doing through this crisis.
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: Let me see you one more comment, then we'll move on.
• 33:24
  Speaker 7: But have listened to this, But to say to the
• 33:28
  Speaker 7: Palestinian people, who at the moment must be feeling so
• 33:31
  Speaker 7: invisible to the world, to say, you are not invisible.
• 33:36
  Speaker 7: We see you, we will recognize you.
• 33:40
  Speaker 2: Who in Gaza would be feeling invisible right now? Hang
• 33:45
  Speaker 2: on only like fifty We don't know how many are
• 33:47
  Speaker 2: alive or dead. But there are people in tunnels under Gaza.
• 33:50
  Speaker 2: I'd say they'd be feeling pretty invisible right now and
• 33:53
  Speaker 2: have been for about eighteen months. The fact is, if
• 33:56
  Speaker 2: the entire world had said on October the eighth, notice,
• 34:00
  Speaker 2: no negotiations, you release the hostages, otherwise all better off
• 34:04
  Speaker 2: and stuck to that.
• 34:05
  Speaker 1: We wouldn't still be talking about this. It would have
• 34:07
  Speaker 1: been resolved.
• 34:08
  Speaker 2: It's Week leadership, you can say Benjamin Etnah who was
• 34:11
  Speaker 2: rude to call it out, But he's right. It's Week
• 34:13
  Speaker 2: leadership that has allowed terrorists to hold the upper hand.
• 34:17
  Speaker 2: It should never have happened. God forbid this Labor government
• 34:20
  Speaker 2: as ever has to negotiate on our behalf.
• 34:22
  Speaker 4: You wouldn't be confident one hundred percent.
• 34:25
  Speaker 3: Well, coming back here to Australia, we all know the
• 34:28
  Speaker 3: NDIS is spiraling out of control. It's one of the
• 34:31
  Speaker 3: fastest growing line items in the federal budget and Health
• 34:34
  Speaker 3: Minister Mark Butler has realized that as well, so in
• 34:37
  Speaker 3: an effort to save the budget, Labor is now saying
• 34:40
  Speaker 3: maybe we should actually do something about the NDIS.
• 34:43
  Speaker 4: Except I thought that was going to be Bill Shalton's job.
• 34:46
  Speaker 4: But anyway, that didn't work out.
• 34:48
  Speaker 3: I guess so Mark Butler's now taking on the job
• 34:50
  Speaker 3: and saying we need to rain in the number of
• 34:52
  Speaker 3: autistic kids that are.
• 34:54
  Speaker 4: Claiming funding under the NDIS. Here he was at the
• 34:57
  Speaker 4: National Press Club today.
• 35:00
  Speaker 10: And tens of thousands of young children with mild to
• 35:03
  Speaker 10: moderate developmental delay or autism are on a scheme set
• 35:07
  Speaker 10: up for permanent disability. I doubt very much that that
• 35:11
  Speaker 10: is what most of their parents really wanted or expected.
• 35:15
  Speaker 10: But it's all I've had available, the only port in
• 35:18
  Speaker 10: the storm.
• 35:18
  Speaker 1: If you like.
• 35:20
  Speaker 4: So a few things.
• 35:20
  Speaker 3: He's not removing the current kids that are already on
• 35:23
  Speaker 3: the NDIS. They're just saying in future they'll be moved
• 35:27
  Speaker 3: to a different program, So you're not actually going to
• 35:29
  Speaker 3: be cutting the cost. And the target growth rate is
• 35:31
  Speaker 3: still going to be four to five percent growth in
• 35:34
  Speaker 3: the cost of NDIS. So they're not reducing the cost
• 35:37
  Speaker 3: of NDIS, they're just shuffling people to a different program.
• 35:41
  Speaker 4: So will this actually make a difference.
• 35:43
  Speaker 3: I don't know.
• 35:43
  Speaker 5: No, I don't think it will. Let's talk about the
• 35:45
  Speaker 5: behemoth that is the National Disability Insurance Scheme. When it
• 35:48
  Speaker 5: was first set up, it was initially designed for the
• 35:50
  Speaker 5: most severely disabled, and now it has completely blown out
• 35:54
  Speaker 5: to the point where forty five percent of people on
• 35:57
  Speaker 5: this scheme now have an autism died diagnosis. And bear
• 36:01
  Speaker 5: in mind it is not means tested. It has outstripped Medicare,
• 36:05
  Speaker 5: it is about to outstrip Defense, and if the costs
• 36:08
  Speaker 5: are not rained in, it's going to cost about one
• 36:10
  Speaker 5: hundred billion dollars in the next ten years, James, I
• 36:13
  Speaker 5: don't think this will make a difference. And also one
• 36:15
  Speaker 5: in six boys in year two at primary school and
• 36:18
  Speaker 5: now reliant on the National Disability Scheme. Labor has absolutely
• 36:21
  Speaker 5: lost control of it and who's paying for it we are.
• 36:23
  Speaker 2: We should point out the government said they would make
• 36:25
  Speaker 2: no changes to eligibility pre election, so this is a
• 36:28
  Speaker 2: broken election promise. We'll check back in five years and
• 36:31
  Speaker 2: see if it makes a difference. Quickly before we go
• 36:33
  Speaker 2: to a break. Donald Trump has said that the reason
• 36:35
  Speaker 2: he is so keen to bring peace around the world
• 36:38
  Speaker 2: is well he wants to go to heaven.
• 36:40
  Speaker 8: Have a listen, We're not losing American soldiers, well, losing
• 36:44
  Speaker 8: Russian and Ukrainian mostly soldiers. Some people as missiles hit
• 36:49
  Speaker 8: wrong spots or get lobbed into cities. If I can
• 36:52
  Speaker 8: save seven thousand people a week from being killed, I
• 36:56
  Speaker 8: think that's I want to try and get to heaven.
• 36:58
  Speaker 8: At pastable, I'm hearing doing well.
• 37:01
  Speaker 2: I gotta say it's kind of nice to hear a
• 37:04
  Speaker 2: politician talk about heaven and examining the state of his
• 37:07
  Speaker 2: own soul. Of course, people went straight on to lampoon him,
• 37:11
  Speaker 2: and I loved atheists saying that we don't believe in heaven,
• 37:13
  Speaker 2: but if haven't existed, you would not be welcome. They
• 37:16
  Speaker 2: said that with all the confidence of people who are
• 37:17
  Speaker 2: absolutely sure heaven does not exist. It's like saying, we
• 37:20
  Speaker 2: don't believe in unicorns, but if unicorns did exist, you wouldn't.
• 37:23
  Speaker 1: Be able to ride one.
• 37:24
  Speaker 4: Well, I think he said it a little bit in jest.
• 37:26
  Speaker 3: But the principle there that your leader is actually under
• 37:29
  Speaker 3: the authority and actually accountable to someone above them. I
• 37:33
  Speaker 3: think that's really really nice. It's something that made the
• 37:35
  Speaker 3: Queen an incredible monarch because there was a sense she's
• 37:39
  Speaker 3: actually accountable to God, so you can't She doesn't want
• 37:43
  Speaker 3: to use her power to further herself.
• 37:45
  Speaker 4: It's to serve the people. So you know, Trump was
• 37:47
  Speaker 4: saying it in jest, but I still like it.
• 37:49
  Speaker 5: I still like it too. I think it just shows
• 37:51
  Speaker 5: a bit of character.
• 37:52
  Speaker 2: And saying he wants to be a better man. Well,
• 37:54
  Speaker 2: who could not, that we're going to go to a
• 37:56
  Speaker 2: break when we come back. One of Australia's top health
• 37:58
  Speaker 2: officials says the feelings of men who identify as women
• 38:02
  Speaker 2: need to be considered when talking about miscarriages.
• 38:05
  Speaker 1: That and a lot more in just.
• 38:07
  Speaker 2: A moment, with some great stories in tomorrow's papers. We'll
• 38:14
  Speaker 2: start with the Australian Fray.
• 38:15
  Speaker 1: You've got that.
• 38:16
  Speaker 4: The headline is honestly unbelievable.
• 38:19
  Speaker 3: Trans still birth remark fuels woke Health Row, a parliamentary
• 38:24
  Speaker 3: committee examining the impact of stillbirth on mothers, has prefaced
• 38:28
  Speaker 3: its evidence by acknowledging that men who have transitioned or
• 38:32
  Speaker 3: are transitioning to become women should also be part of
• 38:36
  Speaker 3: the conversation around the loss of babies during labor and pregnancy,
• 38:41
  Speaker 3: despite the medical impossibility of former men ever becoming pregnant
• 38:46
  Speaker 3: or enduring the hardship of miscarriage. One of South Australia's
• 38:50
  Speaker 3: most senior health bureaucrats open to have evidence to an
• 38:53
  Speaker 3: essay parliamentary committee by reassuring that her use of the
• 38:57
  Speaker 3: terms women and women was not intended to be exclusionary
• 39:02
  Speaker 3: in the context of stillbirth.
• 39:06
  Speaker 4: How can it be inclusionary?
• 39:08
  Speaker 3: How can you include men in the context of stillbirth?
• 39:13
  Speaker 4: Trans women? Men who've become women cannot get pregnant.
• 39:17
  Speaker 5: No, it's just slight what we hear the terms you know,
• 39:20
  Speaker 5: birthing partner. It's like, you know, what it reminds me
• 39:23
  Speaker 5: of the UK Foreign Secretary David Lammy when he said
• 39:26
  Speaker 5: that men can grow a cervix. It's this, you know, ideological.
• 39:31
  Speaker 5: I don't know what goes on in people's mind.
• 39:32
  Speaker 2: Was Kirs Starmer famously said ninety nine percent of women
• 39:35
  Speaker 2: don't have a penis?
• 39:36
  Speaker 5: Well, where do they get this logic from?
• 39:40
  Speaker 2: What is this?
• 39:42
  Speaker 1: What is this body should say?
• 39:43
  Speaker 2: Rebecca Graham, the Health bureaucrat, when interviewed by The Australian,
• 39:47
  Speaker 2: later clarified that she wasn't implying men who identify as
• 39:51
  Speaker 2: women could have a baby. She was simply saying that
• 39:55
  Speaker 2: stillbirth affects them as well, which.
• 39:58
  Speaker 4: Now, how does it affection them?
• 40:00
  Speaker 2: They can't get well, affects everybody, right, yes, so she
• 40:03
  Speaker 2: should have included everybody, not.
• 40:05
  Speaker 3: Just which it does if you're in a relationship and
• 40:08
  Speaker 3: you're the father of the child. But she wasn't talking
• 40:11
  Speaker 3: about it as though they're a father. She was implying
• 40:14
  Speaker 3: that they could get pregnant. Absolutely ridiculous. But also in
• 40:17
  Speaker 3: the Australian tomorrow clocks ticking on energy. Australia's renewable energy
• 40:22
  Speaker 3: pipeline is large enough to safeguard reliability across is not
• 40:26
  Speaker 3: large enough to safeguard reliability across the national energy market
• 40:30
  Speaker 3: during the next decade, but only if projects are delivered
• 40:34
  Speaker 3: on schedule and government support schemes translate into real investment.
• 40:38
  Speaker 3: The Australian Energy Market Operator has warned the finding in
• 40:41
  Speaker 3: a emo's latest assessment of the national electricity market was
• 40:45
  Speaker 3: seized on by the Albanesi government as vindication of its
• 40:48
  Speaker 3: plan to accelerate investment in wind, solar and storage to
• 40:52
  Speaker 3: hit its target of eighty two percent renewable generation by
• 40:55
  Speaker 3: twenty thirty, but the operator's conclusion also underscores.
• 40:59
  Speaker 4: How fragile they transition remains.
• 41:01
  Speaker 3: So just to clarify, we are on track if the
• 41:04
  Speaker 3: projects can hit their target, but none of them are
• 41:08
  Speaker 3: and that's the key problem.
• 41:09
  Speaker 4: What renewable project is actually on top.
• 41:11
  Speaker 5: I don't know how ALBO can say that he's indicated
• 41:13
  Speaker 5: by this. I have personally lost track of the amount
• 41:16
  Speaker 5: of projects that have either been delayed or abandoned in
• 41:20
  Speaker 5: recent months. It has been a shopping few months, in
• 41:22
  Speaker 5: particular for that sol On wind.
• 41:26
  Speaker 4: For the rest of the hydra.
• 41:28
  Speaker 5: I don't even get me started on green hydrogen. This
• 41:30
  Speaker 5: fantasy that Bowen keeps going on. It really is a
• 41:33
  Speaker 5: magical carpet, right, and unfortunately taxpayers.
• 41:35
  Speaker 2: Are all on it that this just proves the importance
• 41:38
  Speaker 2: of getting your view out first. Clearly, the Elbinezi government
• 41:41
  Speaker 2: have read this report realized he doesn't say anything good
• 41:44
  Speaker 2: about where we're going, so they've seized the one little
• 41:47
  Speaker 2: bit they could use and tried to get that out
• 41:49
  Speaker 2: early before people realize what.
• 41:52
  Speaker 1: The report actually says, which is we're in deep, deep trouble.
• 41:55
  Speaker 5: No exactly. Let's move on now to the Daily Telegraph headline.
• 41:59
  Speaker 5: They're developed in we chat spy claim. The director of
• 42:03
  Speaker 5: a major Chinese property developer has claimed he could hand
• 42:06
  Speaker 5: a red envelope to Chinese Communist Party officials to access
• 42:10
  Speaker 5: the private messages of his Australian staff, in comments perceived
• 42:13
  Speaker 5: as a standover tactic by the employees, who say they
• 42:16
  Speaker 5: have been left in fear of foreign surveillance. Whistleblowers from
• 42:19
  Speaker 5: Country Garden, one of the biggest housing developers in China,
• 42:22
  Speaker 5: which his officers in Sydney and Melbourne, have accused the
• 42:24
  Speaker 5: company's managing director of saying he could use the CCP
• 42:28
  Speaker 5: to spy on employees we chat messages. The comments were
• 42:31
  Speaker 5: allegedly made during senior management meetings in the company's Chatswood office. Look,
• 42:35
  Speaker 5: I don't think we can be surprised by this at all.
• 42:38
  Speaker 5: That the warnings have been there from AZO that China
• 42:41
  Speaker 5: is a risk to our national security and we've seen
• 42:44
  Speaker 5: this before, so I don't think we should be surprised.
• 42:46
  Speaker 2: And plenty of Chinese Australians have expressed concern. Indeed, China's
• 42:50
  Speaker 2: not the only country where this is an issue. Iranian
• 42:53
  Speaker 2: Australians have also expressed very real fears that they are being,
• 42:58
  Speaker 2: if not spied on, clearly intimidate by foreign governments.
• 43:01
  Speaker 1: This is an ongoing problem.
• 43:03
  Speaker 3: But if you're in Australia, why are you using we
• 43:05
  Speaker 3: chat all? Like so many people I went to UNI
• 43:08
  Speaker 3: with the Chinese international students, they were all on we
• 43:12
  Speaker 3: Chat like they didn't barely had Facebook or any other
• 43:14
  Speaker 3: form of social media. If you know that the CCP
• 43:17
  Speaker 3: has surveillance over everything you're doing, why would you continue.
• 43:21
  Speaker 9: To use it?
• 43:21
  Speaker 2: If you know the CCP has surveillance over everything you're doing,
• 43:24
  Speaker 2: why would you use TikTok frayer?
• 43:27
  Speaker 3: Okay, nothing to hide on tiktag from a really embarrassing algorithm.
• 43:33
  Speaker 1: Let's go to the front page of it. We'll just
• 43:35
  Speaker 1: move right on from well, go to.
• 43:37
  Speaker 2: The front page of the that's for you giving me
• 43:39
  Speaker 2: grief before the show. We'll go to the front page
• 43:41
  Speaker 2: of the Adelaide advertiser. No Snoop for you, reads the headline.
• 43:46
  Speaker 2: The Crows have referenced the inconsistency of the AFL booking
• 43:50
  Speaker 2: Snoop dog for the Grand Final is it tries to
• 43:52
  Speaker 2: reduce a five game suspension offered to start forward Isaac
• 43:55
  Speaker 2: Rankin for using the same abusive language the US rapper
• 43:59
  Speaker 2: In employees, now Isaac Rankin employed used a homophobic term
• 44:06
  Speaker 2: during a game. He's set to be rubbed out for
• 44:09
  Speaker 2: five weeks, which means Adelaide one of the Grand Final favorites.
• 44:13
  Speaker 2: He'd missed the entire final series and the Grand Final.
• 44:16
  Speaker 2: Adelaide probably would go from favorites to not so favorite
• 44:19
  Speaker 2: to win the final without him. But they make a
• 44:23
  Speaker 2: very good case in the AFL, I've got themselves in
• 44:25
  Speaker 2: big trouble here. Having tried to stamp out people making
• 44:28
  Speaker 2: homophobic comments. They have hired Snoop Dogg, famous for his
• 44:32
  Speaker 2: homophobic comments, to headline the AFL entertainment, So I don't
• 44:37
  Speaker 2: know how they're going to resolve this was reported on Monday,
• 44:41
  Speaker 2: where now at Wednesday three, we're coming to four days later.
• 44:45
  Speaker 2: Everyone knows what he said, everyone knows what the punishment is,
• 44:48
  Speaker 2: and the AFL scared it seems to hand down the
• 44:51
  Speaker 2: punishment because clearly the hypocrisy has writt last.
• 44:54
  Speaker 5: I was going to say, they're looking like an absolute
• 44:55
  Speaker 5: bunch of hypocrites right now, So good luck to try
• 44:58
  Speaker 5: and weheazle your way out of this one.
• 45:00
  Speaker 4: Exactly right well.
• 45:01
  Speaker 3: In the Herald Sun tomorrow the headline is failing our
• 45:04
  Speaker 3: kids justinto Allen has promised to implement all the recommendations
• 45:07
  Speaker 3: from a damning child safety review within twelve months, conceding
• 45:11
  Speaker 3: the government had failed Victorian families. On Wednesday, the Premier
• 45:15
  Speaker 3: apologized to those affected by the disturbing allegations leveled at
• 45:18
  Speaker 3: Melbourne childcare worker Joshua Brown, acknowledging their trust has been
• 45:22
  Speaker 3: horribly broken, but parents caught up in the child sex
• 45:25
  Speaker 3: abuse scandal slammed her pledge to overhaul the system and
• 45:28
  Speaker 3: apology as too little, too late. And that's exactly right.
• 45:32
  Speaker 3: And imagine being one of those parents.
• 45:34
  Speaker 5: Shocking I agree, let's end on the Mercury. Josh Willie
• 45:38
  Speaker 5: has rolled Dean Winter as leader of the Labor Party
• 45:41
  Speaker 5: after a drawn out day of party room meetings, a
• 45:43
  Speaker 5: day after the opposition's party's bruising loss in not no
• 45:46
  Speaker 5: confidence debate in State Parliament ended its chances of taking power.
• 45:50
  Speaker 5: There was a spill of leadership position as required by
• 45:52
  Speaker 5: party rules. Off you go, Dean, See you later. You
• 45:56
  Speaker 5: absolutely tried to fudge your way through things during the
• 45:59
  Speaker 5: election campaign. See you later.
• 46:01
  Speaker 2: Dean Winter issued so many no confidence motions correct for
• 46:04
  Speaker 2: his party lost confidence in him.
• 46:06
  Speaker 1: We're to go to a break when we come back.
• 46:07
  Speaker 2: Australia's most tattooed woman more than six hundred tattoos now
• 46:11
  Speaker 2: says she wants to remove them so she can see
• 46:14
  Speaker 2: her face again. And food reviewers get more than they
• 46:17
  Speaker 2: ordered when a car barges into their restaurant.
• 46:20
  Speaker 1: Pull of that in just a moment, Welcome back to
• 46:25
  Speaker 1: the program.
• 46:25
  Speaker 2: Australia's most tattooed woman has made an announcement about her future.
• 46:28
  Speaker 1: Deneka.
• 46:29
  Speaker 5: She has ladies and gentlemen introducing you to Amber Luke.
• 46:32
  Speaker 5: We've got some delightful photos of her here. Now she
• 46:35
  Speaker 5: has got six hundred tattoos. In fact, ninety eight percent
• 46:39
  Speaker 5: of her body is covered in tats, including her eyeballs,
• 46:43
  Speaker 5: at a cost of two hundred and eighty thousand dollars.
• 46:45
  Speaker 5: There she is, but she says that those tattoos have
• 46:48
  Speaker 5: now become distorted and faded due to her weight fluctuations
• 46:52
  Speaker 5: over the years.
• 46:53
  Speaker 6: So guess what.
• 46:54
  Speaker 5: She's now in the process of removing her thirty six
• 46:57
  Speaker 5: from her face right now? Look good, Honor. I think
• 47:02
  Speaker 5: the pain would be absolutely excruciating. My question is is
• 47:07
  Speaker 5: she really serious? Have listened to her last month, Tali Amber,
• 47:12
  Speaker 5: So you are quite heavily tattooed, and you've got some
• 47:14
  Speaker 5: body modifications. What is your favorite body mind?
• 47:18
  Speaker 1: Eyeballs?
• 47:22
  Speaker 5: How tattooed are you?
• 47:24
  Speaker 1: I am not same copet and.
• 47:27
  Speaker 4: Is at the very top of my hand and of
• 47:29
  Speaker 4: a feet.
• 47:32
  Speaker 6: Do you regret anybody mode or tattoos?
• 47:35
  Speaker 4: What is important having?
• 47:36
  Speaker 5: Brad doesn't regret them, but wants to get rid of
• 47:40
  Speaker 5: her facial tattoos.
• 47:42
  Speaker 2: I think if you can show the image again of
• 47:44
  Speaker 2: what she looked like without the tattoos on her face.
• 47:46
  Speaker 3: But she's a good looking girl, so I guess no,
• 47:49
  Speaker 3: it's sad and apparently she had to go all the
• 47:51
  Speaker 3: way to Brazil to get her eyeballs tattooed because they've
• 47:54
  Speaker 3: banned that in Australia and it left her blind for
• 47:57
  Speaker 3: three weeks.
• 47:57
  Speaker 1: Why would you do that to yourself tattooed? I no,
• 48:02
  Speaker 1: I don't think so.
• 48:03
  Speaker 4: It's horrible anyway. Imagine sitting in a restaurant.
• 48:06
  Speaker 3: Doing a food review for YouTube, tasting some delicious salmon
• 48:11
  Speaker 3: burgers when a car smashes through.
• 48:14
  Speaker 4: The restaurant window. Check this out.
• 48:18
  Speaker 9: Boom m m.
• 48:30
  Speaker 3: And now for extra dramatic effect, we have it for
• 48:33
  Speaker 3: you in slow motion as well.
• 48:37
  Speaker 4: Welcome back here we are at CU based Culinary Creations.
• 48:58
  Speaker 3: I think that the luckiest people bull alive to not
• 49:01
  Speaker 3: be sitting a meter over.
• 49:03
  Speaker 1: Like why very very much, they got like three onion
• 49:07
  Speaker 1: rings or something.
• 49:09
  Speaker 2: I'm not sure it would have got a five star review,
• 49:11
  Speaker 2: that's for sure. That's all we've got time for tonight
• 49:13
  Speaker 2: stick around. Coming up is the Read a Penny Show,
• 49:15
  Speaker 2: and we'll be back tomorrow night.
• 49:16
  Speaker 1: Good night,