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Credlin | 6 August · Credlin

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Speaker 1: Peter Quedlin Live from year twenty four.
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Speaker 2: Good evening, welcome to the program. Great to have your company.
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Speaker 2: Here's what's coming up tonight on the show. Chris Bowen's
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Speaker 2: climb and hypocrisy lavish overseas travels stuff was tabled today,
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Speaker 2: of course, that taxpayer funded Fiji summit and most leaders
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Speaker 2: in the world are saying no, we don't want to come.
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Speaker 2: And the growing cost of chasing net zero aid. Morrison
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Speaker 2: with all that in a moment, Plus more fallout two
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Speaker 2: from Victoria's damning Iback report and why critics say the
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Speaker 2: watchdogs toothless. A former New South Wales Supreme Court judge
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Speaker 2: joins me he'll outline what must change if Victoria is
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Speaker 2: serious about cleaning up corruption. Questions over the safety and
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Speaker 2: security about politicians too arise in threats from the radical left.
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Speaker 2: Plus while Tony Burk's got a battle on his hands
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Speaker 2: to get Labour's migration policy through cabinet, Paul and Hanson today, well,
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Speaker 2: she's made her points on open borders very clear.
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Speaker 3: So I don't care.
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Speaker 4: What people think, whether you know it's going to affect
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Speaker 4: their businesses. They're not going to sell them many products
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Speaker 4: or the universities because they won't have the number of
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Speaker 4: foreign students coming in here.
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Speaker 5: I don't care.
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Speaker 4: My concern is for those Australians that can't get a
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Speaker 4: roof over the head and a decent standard of living
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Speaker 4: and way of life.
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Speaker 2: We will stay on this issue because labor's in a
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Speaker 2: world of pain over migration for too long. They've used
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Speaker 2: record high migration as a way to pump prime. They're
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Speaker 2: faltering budget position to artificially spike growth numbers to make
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Speaker 2: things better than they really are to avoid a technical recession.
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Speaker 2: But that strategy is coming unstark, as every Ponzi scheme
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Speaker 2: eventually does, and this time it's got as much about
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Speaker 2: a cultural impact of mass migration that's loading the polling
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Speaker 2: pressure on labor as much as it is they hit
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Speaker 2: on households because much as migration can mask a bad budget,
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Speaker 2: and under the Albanezer government up until now, that's what's happened. Eventually,
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Speaker 2: it hurts people out of per capita basis when the
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Speaker 2: unplanned arrival of millions hits housing, employment and social cohesion
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Speaker 2: in per capita terms, So that's GDP per person. Australia
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Speaker 2: is going backwards, and as the polls show. People have
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Speaker 2: woken up as to why it's not just parties on
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Speaker 2: the center right filling the high migration backlash.
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Speaker 3: But now all also labor.
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Speaker 2: And that's what's got Tony Burke, the Home Affairs Minister,
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Speaker 2: so spooked that he's acting. At least he was acting
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Speaker 2: until he hit a brick wall at Cabinet on Monday.
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Speaker 2: Having got ahead of himself, Burke had booked a spot
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Speaker 2: today at the National Press Club, all set to deliver
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Speaker 2: what had been briefed out as the major speech on migration,
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Speaker 2: replete with speculated changes to targets and new rules for
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Speaker 2: asylum seekers, until he was rolled.
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Speaker 6: Well, let's be really clear about what happened here. Tony
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Speaker 6: Burke arrogantly booked in a National Press Club address to
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Speaker 6: announce a new policy which he had not yet got
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Speaker 6: Cabinet approval for. He took it to Cabinet on Monday.
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Speaker 6: He got rolled at Cabinet by his colleagues, who forced
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Speaker 6: him to cancel his speech on Thursday in a public
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Speaker 6: humiliation of the Minister for Home Affairs because he hadn't
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Speaker 6: done the work and it wasn't yet ready to be
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Speaker 6: publicly announced. For a very senior cabinet minister and a
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Speaker 6: very serious, seriously experienced politician like Tony Burke. This is
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Speaker 6: about as embarrassing as it gets, and I really start
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Speaker 6: to question whether the government even has a plan to
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Speaker 6: follow through on their announcement that they want to reduce
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Speaker 6: migration from the budget nearly four months ago now, because
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Speaker 6: this is what this is about. This is about achieving
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Speaker 6: the targets that failed to make every other financial year.
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Speaker 2: The reality year is that Labor has never once met
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Speaker 2: any of its migration targets. Every year it puts out
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Speaker 2: a set of forecasts that every year arrivals into Australia
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Speaker 2: exceed them. Indeed since the Albanezer government was elected, and
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Speaker 2: this has meant the entry of millions into this country.
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Speaker 3: Now.
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Speaker 2: Partly it's the fake budget hit that I mentioned above,
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Speaker 2: the Ponzi scheme that big migration numbers do to the budget,
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Speaker 2: but Labour's also use mass migration as a way to
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Speaker 2: buy itself more votes, because as soon as people land here,
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Speaker 2: Labor can't wait to make them citizens, and in the
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Speaker 2: mass events held by Burke just prior to last year's
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Speaker 2: election also signed them up as quickly as they can
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Speaker 2: as voters. Until that was the polls turned against them.
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Speaker 2: This is why Burke's panicking even though cabinets Left faction
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Speaker 2: is pushing back.
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Speaker 3: James Pattison again, Well.
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Speaker 6: It's definitely about politics. This is a government that was
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Speaker 6: very happy to bring in one and a half million
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Speaker 6: people over the first few years of their time in office,
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Speaker 6: but now that it has become a political problem for them,
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Speaker 6: they are desperately running around looking for a solution. And
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Speaker 6: the kind of things that Tony Burke apparently proposed to cabinet,
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Speaker 6: which his colleagues have pushed back on, are the kind
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Speaker 6: of things that the Labor Party has criticized Conservative governments
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Speaker 6: for contemplating doing in the past, including restricting their peal
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Speaker 6: rights in the soylumn system, including forcing people offshore to
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Speaker 6: make applications, including really cracking down on appeals and applications.
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Speaker 6: I mean, these are the kind of things that no
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Speaker 6: one joins the Labor Party to do. If they are
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Speaker 6: contemplating doing them, the only reason can be because of politics.
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Speaker 6: They don't sincerely believe in these kind of tough changes.
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Speaker 2: Well that's the coalition refusing to buy Labour's newfound support
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Speaker 2: for sensible migration, also refusing to buy it is One
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Speaker 2: Nation leader Pauline Hanson. If anyone thinks she'll let Labor
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Speaker 2: try and rebrand themselves as somehow tough on migration or forget.
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Speaker 4: It, they're sched to do anything but based on really
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Speaker 4: the one issue is mass migration that's happened in Australia.
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Speaker 4: So Tony Burker saying, hey, I really need to pull
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Speaker 4: back on my speech that I was going to give
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Speaker 4: it the Press Club because he's got to peace the Unions,
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Speaker 4: he's got to peace the other left leaning in his
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Speaker 4: party as well and the Greens. So he's got a
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Speaker 4: battle on his hands.
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Speaker 3: Look nothing else.
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Speaker 2: What's happening now is that finally we Australians are having
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Speaker 2: the long overdue debate on migration that you have been
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Speaker 2: demanding for years, that in the end is a good thing,
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Speaker 2: right and this today too. Weeks and weeks after the
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Speaker 2: offensive segment first day, and days after the woman who
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Speaker 2: created it gave a half hearted apology of her own,
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Speaker 2: ABC Managing director Hugh Marks finally bit the bullet and
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Speaker 2: apologize for airing highly offensive rape based content regarding Missus
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Speaker 2: Gina rein Hart, not that the Communications Minister had anything
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Speaker 2: to do with it. Just hours before the ABC apology,
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Speaker 2: Arnaka Wells reviews to even say that one was warranted.
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Speaker 7: My personal view is that that was unacceptable, but it's
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Speaker 7: not for me to make that determination. It's for the
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Speaker 7: ombdsman to do so. And I'll anticipate your next question, Harry.
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Speaker 3: If the onbodsman finds that, like.
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Speaker 7: In my view, it's unacceptable, it would be appropriate for
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Speaker 7: the ABC to issue an apology. But what's important is
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Speaker 7: that that process plays out first, and that's what any
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Speaker 7: news publisher would expect the Minister for Communications to act
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Speaker 7: in this process.
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Speaker 2: Well, she wasn't alone. All those Labor MPs fence sitting
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Speaker 2: unwilling to demand the ABC do the right thing, indeed
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Speaker 2: saying that they've never seen the tape.
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Speaker 8: Please, I haven't seen the clip that you're referring to.
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Speaker 8: It's not a show that I watch.
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Speaker 9: I want to be clear, I've not seen the video
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Speaker 9: and I don't intend to watch it.
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Speaker 1: From what's been described to me, it is unacceptable.
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Speaker 2: At least Labour's Peter Khalil was honest enough to call
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Speaker 2: it out for what it was.
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Speaker 10: It's unacceptable no matter who it is, whether you agree
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Speaker 10: you disagree with the person that kind of violent imagery
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Speaker 10: and that misogynist imagery. It would not be accepted for
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Speaker 10: any of the any of my colleagues in the Parliament
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Speaker 10: who are women.
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Speaker 3: Well good on him.
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Speaker 2: The public outrage about the segment was real, absolutely, But
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Speaker 2: don't think for a minute that's what's prompted the ABC's
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Speaker 2: change of heart today. After all, the ABC doesn't care
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Speaker 2: about the public or ratings for that matter, given it's
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Speaker 2: billion dollar yearly budget is guaranteed whether people watch it
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Speaker 2: or they don't. Now what finally saw the ABC do
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Speaker 2: the decent thing here was the threat of legal action
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Speaker 2: from a businesswoman with very very deep pockets. And even
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Speaker 2: the apology today came with barbes like this Hu Mark's
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Speaker 2: declaring that while the Ombudsman's found the film did not
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Speaker 2: breach the ABC's editorial policies, the ABC acknowledges the episodes
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Speaker 2: fall in short of community expectations. Now, what sort of
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Speaker 2: editorial policies does the ABC have if it thinks that
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Speaker 2: naming and threatening a woman with anal rape and associated
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Speaker 2: violence is not a breach of them? That instead, it's
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Speaker 2: it's comedy, it's satire. It's not satire, it's sadistic and
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Speaker 2: the ABC. Well, they know the difference. The ABC's problems
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Speaker 2: with bias are systemic. The ABC's waste of taxpayer billions
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Speaker 2: is legendary. I mean, I was the ABC advisor for
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Speaker 2: Richard Allston when he was the Communications Minister under John Howard.
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Speaker 2: I was also the chief of st after Helen Coonan
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Speaker 2: when she held the same portfolio a few years later.
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Speaker 2: And I've now come to the position that the ABC
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Speaker 2: should no longer be supported by the taxpayer purse. If
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Speaker 2: people want to watch it or listen to it, good
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Speaker 2: on them, they should access it now via a subscription service, because,
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Speaker 2: like you, I can think of far better ways to
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Speaker 2: spend that one point two billion every year. An hour
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Speaker 2: back to Victoria and the release of the corruption watchdogs
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Speaker 2: report into Operation Richmond. New Premier Ben Carroll hid from
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Speaker 2: genuine scrutiny yesterday, holding a quick and dirty press conference
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Speaker 2: at exactly the same time as the IBACK Commissioner was
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Speaker 2: handing down her bombshell report into the Andrews government and
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Speaker 2: backroom deals with the firefighters union. And that was so
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Speaker 2: he wouldn't have to answer any tough questions.
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Speaker 11: I have not read the report. I'll be reading the
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Speaker 11: report tonight. It has been tabled in the Parliament. While
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Speaker 11: I'm here, I'm going to read the report carefully. I'm
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Speaker 11: going to study it and give the Victorians the action
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Speaker 11: and the answers they deserve.
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Speaker 9: Did you time this press conference specifically to avoid taking
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Speaker 9: questions on this matter? You knew it was being tabled
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Speaker 9: at nine point thirty this morning?
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Speaker 11: No, this was always in my diary.
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Speaker 2: Well today when we all assume the report would have
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Speaker 2: been read and Carol would front the cameras hit away
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Speaker 2: again instead sending out a colleague to take the media hits,
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Speaker 2: and if you can believe it, they hadn't found time
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Speaker 2: to read the report either.
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Speaker 3: Have you read the report?
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Speaker 12: I've been catching up on my new portfolio and I
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Speaker 12: have been starting to get into this report.
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Speaker 7: Are you interested to read it?
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Speaker 8: If you'll learn anything new?
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Speaker 12: I think we can always learn from a recommendations that
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Speaker 12: from IBAC and the observations that they make, and I
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Speaker 12: think that I will all of us will have a rate.
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Speaker 2: I'm mean, look at the game here, state and federal.
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Speaker 2: This is the new playable from Labor. I haven't seen it.
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Speaker 2: About the Gena rein hart Skittle, I haven't read it about.
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Speaker 3: The IBAC report.
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Speaker 2: Ben Carroll can't be credible on crime and corruption, saying
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Speaker 2: that he'll root it out. That integrity is an optional
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Speaker 2: anymore under his leadership if he can't front the cameras
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Speaker 2: and address a report into a government where he sat
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Speaker 2: around the table as a senior member of cabinet. Now,
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Speaker 2: worse still, the public servant named hundreds of times in
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Speaker 2: the report remains tonight the head of the Education Department
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Speaker 2: in Ben Carroll's new government. At the very least, Tony
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Speaker 2: Bates should have been sacked and Carroll should have had
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Speaker 2: the guts today to front the media.
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Speaker 13: By the end of the day. Yesterday, Carol should have
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Speaker 13: sacked Miss Debates. What did the premier do? He claimed
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Speaker 13: he hadn't read the report. He then hid for the
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Speaker 13: rest of the day. He's hidden again today.
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Speaker 3: I'll say it again.
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Speaker 2: He can change the leader in Victoria, but you can't
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Speaker 2: change labor. All right, let's go to Camperow for the headlines.
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Speaker 2: Appleitico reporter Trey mcintish.
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Speaker 5: The ABC has finally apologized to gena Ryan Hart over
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Speaker 5: a controversial segment that depicted a violent assault of the
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Speaker 5: mining magnate. It was part of the Race Around the
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Speaker 5: World program Gena Rean Hart had asked for an apology
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Speaker 5: and threatened legal action. The matter was referred to the
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Speaker 5: ABC Obitsman. On Thursday, Managing Director Hugh Marx released his statement.
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Speaker 5: While the ombitsman has found that the film did not
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Speaker 5: breach the ABC's editorial policies, the ABC acknowledges the episode
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Speaker 5: has fallen short of community expectations. The ABC apologizes to
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Speaker 5: Missus and to anyone else affected or upset by the
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Speaker 5: publication of the film. Parliament returns here next week and
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Speaker 5: Labour is facing an uphill battle to get its gambling
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Speaker 5: reforms through the Senate. The changes appear friendless. The Coalition
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Speaker 5: joined the Greens in demanding major reform, including stopping inducements.
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Speaker 5: Labor has been pressed on whether it's really willing to
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Speaker 5: walk away from these reforms if it doesn't get its way.
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Speaker 7: We are some ways away from that. We're having constructive discussions.
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Speaker 7: I'll continue to do that with my counterparts. We'd love
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Speaker 7: to see this.
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Speaker 6: Past and I think a sensible balance can be struck here.
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Speaker 5: The Acting Prime Minister, Richard Miles in Darwin today. He
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Speaker 5: can't escape questions though about why Luke Gosling is still
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Speaker 5: a Special Envoy despite facing assault allegations. New twenty four
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Speaker 5: has been told not everyone and cabinet is happy with
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Speaker 5: the decision.
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Speaker 9: There is a legal process underway in relation to Luke,
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Speaker 9: so there's you know, I'm just limited in what I
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Speaker 9: can say, but there's also a presumption of innocence.
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Speaker 5: Also today, Labour's Ed Husick is taking leave after he
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Speaker 5: was involved in a serious car accident with the tr
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Speaker 5: on Sydney's M seven on Tuesday night. The MP was
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Speaker 5: taken to hospital with minor cuts, fractures and concussion. Trudy
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Speaker 5: McIntosh News twenty four camera, all.
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Speaker 2: Right, let's get across all those headlines and more and
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Speaker 2: bring in my panel now, National Affairs editor at the
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Speaker 2: Daily Telegraph, News twenty four host James Morrow and the
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Speaker 2: Deputy Executive director with the IPA, Dan Wild.
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Speaker 3: Dan.
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Speaker 2: We'll get into the internal ructions inside Labor in a moment.
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Speaker 2: But Tony Burke canceling that press club address today, just
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Speaker 2: more AMMO for Pauline Hanson.
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Speaker 3: Have a listen.
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Speaker 4: Why bring in to me people that don't fit the
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Speaker 4: needs that we want in Australia. We don't need any
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Speaker 4: more Uber drivers nail technicians, dog walkers. These people gone
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Speaker 4: stop all that. So I don't care what people think,
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Speaker 4: whether you know it's going to affect their businesses. They're
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Speaker 4: not going to sell them many products. All the universities
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Speaker 4: because they won't have the number of foreign students coming
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Speaker 4: in here.
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Speaker 5: I don't care.
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Speaker 2: Clearly, Dan, this is biting into Labour's private polling. Now
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Speaker 2: that's the only reason they had tried to take anything
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Speaker 2: to cabinet.
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Speaker 13: Well, that's right.
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Speaker 14: We know that this is a government that has been
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Speaker 14: driven by politics and politics only when it comes to immigration,
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Speaker 14: and their program has been a total disaster. I mean
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Speaker 14: you outline the economic disaster with the per capita growth
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Speaker 14: going backwards for ten out of fifteen quarters. We know
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Speaker 14: the social problems, the political problems that have come from
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Speaker 14: that as well. So look what's happening here, as you
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Speaker 14: well know, is we've seen this all across the western world.
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Speaker 14: We've seen it in the UK where Nigel Farage the
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Speaker 14: insurgency force decimated the Tories and then he started taking
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Speaker 14: all of the labor voters in the in the regions
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Speaker 14: and the outer parts of the major cities who had
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Speaker 14: had a gupfull of mass migration. We saw it in
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Speaker 14: the US where Trump won in twenty sixteen, in large
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Speaker 14: part because he won a whole bunch of Democratic voters
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Speaker 14: who maybe had never voted Republican ever before, but listened
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Speaker 14: to Trump's message on immigration and said we need to
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Speaker 14: have a chain. And that's clearly happening here now in Australia.
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Speaker 14: What I find interesting politically, Peter is you've got probably
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Speaker 14: half the Labor Party who probably understand this is a problem.
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Speaker 14: You know, these are out of suburban people, with a
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Speaker 14: lot of blue collar, working class voters who don't want
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Speaker 14: this anymore. But you've got a bunch of Wokesters as
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Speaker 14: well in the inner cities who want mass migration. They
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Speaker 14: believe that multiculturalism is a force for good, because they
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Speaker 14: want to dilute Australian culture, because they believe Australia is
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Speaker 14: a bad racist country. So how on earth they're actually
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Speaker 14: going to get a sensible immigration policy out of that cabinet,
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Speaker 14: I don't know, And I don't think Tony Burt's going
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Speaker 14: to be able to get the job done.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, the old labor right James would have backed sensible migration.
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Speaker 2: They have been rolled by the labor left and consistently
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Speaker 2: that's occurred obviously on Monday with Tony Burke. But it's
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Speaker 2: like that battle over night in Michigan where the socialists
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Speaker 2: radical left are changing the face of the Democrats as well.
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Speaker 15: Yeah, and that recent Michigan that you allude to is
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Speaker 15: really fascinating because you know, what happens in America we
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Speaker 15: see eventually land in Australia as well. And what we've
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Speaker 15: seen over there is this Democrat socialist politics. It's basically,
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Speaker 15: you know, a hard left socialist politics twinned with a
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Speaker 15: free Palestine, gaza kind of Muslim brotherhood adjacent style of
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Speaker 15: politics that ties very closely to Islam. Now a Muslim
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Speaker 15: candidate there in Michigan has one Michigan has a huge
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Speaker 15: Muslim population. He's very radical, very radical on Israel. He
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Speaker 15: beat a Democrat establishment candidate who, as you say, Peter,
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Speaker 15: it would have been basically like, you know, a labor
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Speaker 15: right type pro industry, pro worker, pro America. And now
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Speaker 15: the politics on the left there are now entirely you know,
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Speaker 15: not just anti America, but an anti American and I
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Speaker 15: think that's where you're going to wind up seeing a
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Speaker 15: push on the left coming from you know, We already
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Speaker 15: saw that happen with Tony Burker, what happened to him cabinet?
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Speaker 15: What's just going to get worse here, I suspect.
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Speaker 2: Let's go back to IVAC and Victoria and Ben Carroll
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Speaker 2: who yesterday hadn't read the report and today was hiding
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Speaker 2: under his desk.
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Speaker 13: What did the premier do? He claimed he hadn't read
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Speaker 13: the report. He then hid for the rest of the day.
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Speaker 13: He's hidden again today.
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Speaker 2: You can't say you want to be tough on corruption
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Speaker 2: if you can't read the report. You can't front the
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Speaker 2: front the camera's dad, and you can't tell us what
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Speaker 2: you're going to fix.
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Speaker 14: Exactly. And you can't say that you're going to stand
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Speaker 14: up for integrity. I mean, this was his big pitch,
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Speaker 14: right that he's going to be mister integrity. Well he's
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Speaker 14: already failed that. And look, the issue here is that
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Speaker 14: Ben Carroll was a very senior and influential member of
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Speaker 14: the Andrews government and the Allen government. Did he seriously
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Speaker 14: not know about any of this. I'm not saying he's
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Speaker 14: necessarily implicated in at all, but if you want to
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Speaker 14: be a man of integrity and of leadership, then you
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Speaker 14: needed to have done the right thing at the time.
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Speaker 14: He also stood by at best during COVID when the
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Speaker 14: schools were locked down. He's Immigration minister. All the schools
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Speaker 14: were closed and all of the damage that has done
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Speaker 14: to children in the next generation. There's been no accountability,
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Speaker 14: there's bien, no apology, there's been no acceptance that anything
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Speaker 14: has been done wrong. So look, ultimately, he started his
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Speaker 14: premiership by saying he's different. I'm not Andrews, I'm not Alan,
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Speaker 14: I'm going to lead a different kind of government, basically
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Speaker 14: saying you can trust me more than you can trust
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Speaker 14: anyone else to fix the state. But I've got to
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Speaker 14: say the fact that he's been running and hiding is
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Speaker 14: you know, it's already raising some serious questions in voters'
20:30
Speaker 14: minds about whether he is actually any different from the
20:33
Speaker 14: other two that came before him.
20:36
Speaker 2: I'll get into the big spending from Chris Bowen on
20:39
Speaker 2: international junkets in a moment. This story that's broken this
20:43
Speaker 2: afternoon about the Prime Minister quietly charging taxpayers for a
20:48
Speaker 2: family trip. It looks like a used family reunion to
20:52
Speaker 2: bring his adult son down to canber for the budget. Now,
20:57
Speaker 2: I think this is pretty extraordinary. The Sun's twenty five,
21:00
Speaker 2: as I understand, and it's working. Now, why on earth,
21:04
Speaker 2: James Morrow, a taxpayer is paying for this?
21:08
Speaker 15: Well, I have absolutely no idea, but as a taxpayer,
21:12
Speaker 15: this is the sort of thing that absolutely infuriates me.
21:16
Speaker 15: You know, every month when I get paid and when
21:19
Speaker 15: everybody else who's a pay as you go taxpayer gets paid,
21:22
Speaker 15: they take a huge chunk of all of the money
21:25
Speaker 15: that you make and say, well, we need it for
21:27
Speaker 15: all these important things. And some of those important things
21:30
Speaker 15: include apparently flying the twenty five year old kid of
21:35
Speaker 15: the Prime Minister, who makes something like a half a
21:37
Speaker 15: million dollars a year I guess, from city to camera,
21:40
Speaker 15: which is not the most expensive flight in the world.
21:44
Speaker 15: Why can't the Prime Minister put his own hand in
21:46
Speaker 15: his own pocket, or Nathan put his own hand in
21:48
Speaker 15: his own pocket for a ticket down to camera, or
21:52
Speaker 15: just get in the car and drive. It is absolutely infuriating.
21:55
Speaker 15: And it is these little things, I think, much more
21:58
Speaker 15: than you know, billions of dollars in way the dis
22:01
Speaker 15: or things like this that really aggravate people, because you know,
22:04
Speaker 15: those are the things that you can identify with and
22:06
Speaker 15: you can think, why is he doing this? He's on
22:09
Speaker 15: a half million dollars a year. It's infuriating.
22:13
Speaker 2: And he's got two luxury homes and he's got a
22:16
Speaker 2: car provided by the taxpay. I could go on the
22:19
Speaker 2: Prime Minister costs us millions and millions a year that
22:23
Speaker 2: the Sun's not a dependities twenty five years of age.
22:26
Speaker 3: I left home at eighteen.
22:27
Speaker 2: I mean, come on, mate, grow up, put your hand
22:29
Speaker 2: in your own pocket, pay your own way.
22:32
Speaker 3: Let's go.
22:32
Speaker 2: If I can now of those comments from One Nation
22:35
Speaker 2: Senator Malcolm Roberts, these are the latest praising American conspiracy
22:40
Speaker 2: theorist Alex Jones, who, amongst other things, claimed that the
22:44
Speaker 2: Sandy Hook massacre was staged.
22:48
Speaker 16: But Alex Jones is well respected by many people. You know,
22:52
Speaker 16: he was wrong about Sandy Hook. He was wrong about
22:54
Speaker 16: nine to eleven. But I talked to him about COVID.
22:57
Speaker 16: He and I were both right. Talk to him Digital Lady,
23:01
Speaker 16: he and I are both right. Talk to him about
23:03
Speaker 16: climate fraud. He and I are both correct.
23:07
Speaker 2: Okay, so he admits he was wrong on Sandy Hook.
23:09
Speaker 2: But this is a real headache for Pauline Hans and
23:12
Speaker 2: haven't listened to her response.
23:13
Speaker 4: Today we get a lot of people contacting our offices
23:18
Speaker 4: and talking about chem trials. And you've got to understand,
23:21
Speaker 4: Malcolm Roberts is always that scientist that comes out of him,
23:25
Speaker 4: and I want to see the data everything that he
23:27
Speaker 4: talks about showing me the data. But Alex Jones was
23:31
Speaker 4: you know, he denied that Sandy Hook even happened as
23:33
Speaker 4: a big conspiracy theory.
23:34
Speaker 3: So I think that my concern.
23:35
Speaker 4: You correct, there's a few issues here that have been
23:39
Speaker 4: raised brought to my attention. And until I can sit
23:42
Speaker 4: down and have a talk with Malcolm next week for
23:44
Speaker 4: three regards to it, to get to the bottom of
23:46
Speaker 4: the matter, I will do that next week when we're
23:48
Speaker 4: in Canberra.
23:50
Speaker 2: Well, first of all, down I want to be a
23:52
Speaker 2: fly in the wall for that one. But she's not
23:53
Speaker 2: happy with him. I think she has to really be
23:57
Speaker 2: credible now she is playing in the big league. Think
24:00
Speaker 2: she's had some crazy lunatics in her party before. Some
24:03
Speaker 2: have left their own accord. Some she's had to show
24:05
Speaker 2: the door. I honestly, I think now I'm at the
24:08
Speaker 2: point where she has got to cut him loose. If
24:11
Speaker 2: she wants her brand to be credible.
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Speaker 14: Well, I'm not sure. Malcolm Roberts was agreeing with those
24:18
Speaker 14: statements by Alex Jones, at least from that clip. That's
24:20
Speaker 14: not what I got from it. But I do take
24:22
Speaker 14: the broader point that what Australians want and what the
24:25
Speaker 14: country really needs is for one nation, but also every
24:28
Speaker 14: political party to be focused on the big issues that
24:31
Speaker 14: they face, and certainly any distraction from that would be
24:34
Speaker 14: a huge issue. So I think this is an issue
24:38
Speaker 14: that probably all parties have to deal with. If they
24:40
Speaker 14: move from being a smaller party and a more minor
24:43
Speaker 14: party to something going into the mainstream, they are going
24:45
Speaker 14: to get more scrutiny, as they should. I think what
24:48
Speaker 14: Senator Hanson said there was pretty fair enough. So you know,
24:51
Speaker 14: what do Australians want where they want to focus on
24:53
Speaker 14: cutting immigration, to getting rid of the net zero madness,
24:56
Speaker 14: and to making sure Australian value is at front and
24:58
Speaker 14: center in our public life. So you know, if one
25:01
Speaker 14: nation can stick to that, then they're going to keep
25:03
Speaker 14: doing pretty well in the polls.
25:05
Speaker 2: Yeah, James Mourrow, though, I think people also want my
25:08
Speaker 2: nation to be credible now and to keep their place
25:10
Speaker 2: as a real force, and if they're dragged down by
25:14
Speaker 2: stuff like this. Even even though I know she's loyal
25:17
Speaker 2: and even though I know they have a history. Then
25:20
Speaker 2: it takes one nation out of the equation and we're
25:22
Speaker 2: back to the two major parties. And I think a
25:24
Speaker 2: lot of people are showing poll by pole that they
25:27
Speaker 2: want this sort of contest.
25:28
Speaker 15: Yeah, look, I think people want that contest. I think
25:30
Speaker 15: the key for one Nation is really just to show
25:32
Speaker 15: themselves as being both professional and outsider. And that's the
25:37
Speaker 15: way they're going to have to go. Be really careful
25:40
Speaker 15: about their candidate. It's not just Malcolm, but in general,
25:43
Speaker 15: because all of that just creates noise that the media
25:45
Speaker 15: hops on and that distracts from their key message.
25:49
Speaker 2: Yeah, I haven't had any on my show ever, and
25:51
Speaker 2: there's a reason for that. I'll leave it there, Thank
25:53
Speaker 2: you both. Fresh from the Press Club speech yesterday, where
25:56
Speaker 2: he faced increased scrutiny over Labour's failure to get anywhere
25:59
Speaker 2: near their twenty five thirty emissions targets, Chris Bowen's now
26:03
Speaker 2: facing heat over his globe trotting travel expenses and that
26:07
Speaker 2: Fiji climate junket that almost everyone in the world he's
26:11
Speaker 2: invited to have said, sorry, mate, we're not coming. Boeing's
26:14
Speaker 2: latest spending released by the Parliamentary Expenses Authority shows he
26:18
Speaker 2: spent some three hundred and forty five thousand dollars.
26:22
Speaker 3: In international travel. I have a look at that screen.
26:24
Speaker 2: Forty one thousand dollars for six days in Germany and Singapore,
26:28
Speaker 2: seven thousand for just one night in New Zealand, nine.
26:32
Speaker 3: Days of the US.
26:33
Speaker 2: Well that's cost you over one hundred thousand dollars. On
26:38
Speaker 2: and on and on it goes. Those costs are extraordinary.
26:41
Speaker 2: Now he wants this summon in Fiji. No one wants
26:44
Speaker 2: to go. It's all unbelievable. We're cutting private health rebates,
26:48
Speaker 2: aren't we for seniors, and yet this bloke can't stop
26:52
Speaker 2: spending joining me now, the director of Energy at the
26:55
Speaker 2: Center for Independent Studies, Aidan Morrison Aiden quick to tell
27:00
Speaker 2: all of us, you know, lower your emissions Australia. Well,
27:02
Speaker 2: here's carbon footprints out of control. So too, is that
27:06
Speaker 2: level of spending, How on earth is it justified?
27:12
Speaker 17: Look, he's absolutely committed to being this kind of global leader.
27:15
Speaker 17: He clearly wants to be the you know, the top
27:18
Speaker 17: of some headline script that looks very important on some
27:22
Speaker 17: media coverage. So leading that international charge that he is
27:25
Speaker 17: trying to try to reduce carver emissions is the job
27:28
Speaker 17: that he wants, but clearly he's actually meant to be
27:30
Speaker 17: in charge of the country that's proving that it can't
27:32
Speaker 17: be done without enormous increases in our power prices. So
27:36
Speaker 17: I'm just kind of a pall that he's still so
27:39
Speaker 17: committed to trotting around the international stage where he's not
27:42
Speaker 17: really taking responsibility for the clear failures of his own
27:45
Speaker 17: policy in Australia, which have been promised to lower prices,
27:49
Speaker 17: and everything that he's doing is pushing prices up in
27:51
Speaker 17: Australia and really making it hard for industry to get
27:54
Speaker 17: ahead in Australia. So it's disappointing to see that kind
27:57
Speaker 17: of posturing taking his time attention, as well as the
28:00
Speaker 17: carbon emissions and the money, but that money is trivial
28:04
Speaker 17: compared to the waste that is occurring in the energy
28:06
Speaker 17: system at the moment, the enormous subsidies that we're paying,
28:09
Speaker 17: which are what really grinds my gears.
28:13
Speaker 2: Yeah, we'll just go to that because it really was
28:15
Speaker 2: digging in yesterday when pressed about the emission's targets at
28:18
Speaker 2: the press climb, haven't listened, so you.
28:20
Speaker 3: Would reach the eighties two percent renewable target. That task
28:23
Speaker 3: looks very difficult.
28:25
Speaker 7: Will it be on you if labor fails to meet
28:27
Speaker 7: any more of its climate action KPIs in the next
28:29
Speaker 7: four years.
28:30
Speaker 8: Well, I mean, as I said, thank you for the question, Elizabeth,
28:34
Speaker 8: But as I said, we are making very good progress
28:36
Speaker 8: on many elements of our transition. There's others where we're
28:38
Speaker 8: facing headwinds, which we've always been frank about. We faced
28:41
Speaker 8: the international circumstances of now two global energy shocks in
28:44
Speaker 8: our four years, which is historically our high proportion. Australians
28:49
Speaker 8: knew that in twenty twenty five. They knew what we
28:51
Speaker 8: said in twenty twenty two. They knew our record, and
28:54
Speaker 8: they asked us to keep going. Obviously, if you ask
28:57
Speaker 8: the question, is it on me? Yes, that's right.
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Speaker 3: That's the spin. I didn't give us the facts.
29:04
Speaker 17: Look, he's absolutely clutching its straws there trying to say
29:07
Speaker 17: there's headwinds on some things, but other parts are going well.
29:10
Speaker 17: The reality is the only thing that is moving in
29:13
Speaker 17: the energy transition is calling it is household adoption of batteries,
29:17
Speaker 17: which he has thrown the most insane level of subsidies
29:20
Speaker 17: at spending. Initially he thought to be two point three billion.
29:23
Speaker 17: After six months he'd spent all of that. It was
29:25
Speaker 17: meant the last four years, and the projections took it
29:27
Speaker 17: to fourteen billion, and he taped it back down to
29:29
Speaker 17: about seven billion. So the amount of money that's been
29:32
Speaker 17: splashed to try to drive this household uptake of batteries
29:36
Speaker 17: is just enormous. But the truth in the field is
29:39
Speaker 17: that the grid scale solar has completely stalled unless it's
29:43
Speaker 17: got government underwriting revenue guarantees basically, and wind is completely dead.
29:47
Speaker 17: There's not that. There's only one wind project being built
29:49
Speaker 17: in New South Wales at the moment and everything else,
29:52
Speaker 17: and he acknowledged this as well. So basically, onshore wind
29:56
Speaker 17: is going nowhere. Offshore wind is basically dead, and he
29:59
Speaker 17: blame global forces for that. Hydrogen of course going nowhere.
30:03
Speaker 17: So all these promises that he has absolutely bet the
30:06
Speaker 17: farm on for our energy future have come to nothing.
30:10
Speaker 17: And yet he's still trying to basically scrape together sort
30:13
Speaker 17: of threads of an optimistic story by splashing enormous subsidies
30:17
Speaker 17: of cash to keep household solar and batteries moving.
30:23
Speaker 3: Just quickly.
30:23
Speaker 2: Obviously, data centers he was talking tough yesterday about them,
30:27
Speaker 2: saying he'll basically override the States. A lot of public
30:30
Speaker 2: servants contacting me. He's seen you ones out of Canberra
30:33
Speaker 2: that I know, and said that constitutionally, this is a
30:36
Speaker 2: real problem for his plan.
30:39
Speaker 17: That's absolutely right, and I think that we saw actually
30:42
Speaker 17: some of the journalists get up and they were trying
30:44
Speaker 17: to ask the question too, obviously quite a bewildered, like
30:47
Speaker 17: you know, what do you mean you'll legislate under what
30:49
Speaker 17: head of power? Exactly, Chris, because the states have pretty
30:52
Speaker 17: clear authority to plan how they use their land. They've
30:55
Speaker 17: got total authority to manage their own energy needs and
30:59
Speaker 17: uses as well and industries. So they're going to have
31:03
Speaker 17: to find some very creative kind of loophole for the
31:05
Speaker 17: government to actually legislate. So Chris Bowen's kind of again
31:08
Speaker 17: being totally out of step for where his powers did
31:11
Speaker 17: and didn't extend, and it seemed like really quite determined,
31:15
Speaker 17: a little bit menacing for him to sort of say, look,
31:17
Speaker 17: we will just legislate. Just watch us. So no one
31:20
Speaker 17: could figure out exactly what he's going to do there,
31:22
Speaker 17: but he thinks that he can use his power. He's
31:24
Speaker 17: absolutely in sense that other states want to continue to
31:27
Speaker 17: use whatever fuel is available and the investors want to use.
31:32
Speaker 17: So he's it looks incredibly out of step, quite autocratic,
31:35
Speaker 17: that he's trying to reach into it and de mean
31:37
Speaker 17: in what is normally state powers.
31:41
Speaker 3: All over there. Thank you Aiden.
31:42
Speaker 2: After the break, more on the IBAK reporter out of Victoria.
31:46
Speaker 2: So is this it for Daniel Andrews off Scott Free.
31:50
Speaker 3: We'll see. After the break, we'll go back.
31:56
Speaker 2: They are flooding in your flags, your images that you
31:59
Speaker 2: photographed and sent to me on email, Australian flags flying
32:03
Speaker 2: with pride right around our wonderful nation.
32:06
Speaker 3: I'll show you those in a moment.
32:07
Speaker 2: But now to more fall that from the damning IBAC
32:09
Speaker 2: report into Dan Andrews' era firefighter negotiations, released yesterday after
32:15
Speaker 2: an extensive eight year probe. Here to discuss it in
32:18
Speaker 2: more detail, retired New South Wales Supreme Court Judge and
32:22
Speaker 2: chair of the Center for Public Integrity, Anthony Wheeley. Anthony,
32:26
Speaker 2: thank you for your time. I'll ask you at the outset,
32:31
Speaker 2: if the same things happened in New South Wales as
32:35
Speaker 2: detailed in the report tabled yesterday, would they meet the
32:39
Speaker 2: definition of corruption.
32:42
Speaker 1: Well, I think the definition of corrupt conduct in New
32:44
Speaker 1: South Wales is very wide. I often think it can
32:48
Speaker 1: be summarized by four propositions. Does the conduct constitute a
32:54
Speaker 1: breach of public trust? I think in this case, the
32:58
Speaker 1: conduct that's unearthed in the IBACK inquiry would conceivably amount
33:05
Speaker 1: to a breach of public trust. I Secondly, I think
33:08
Speaker 1: it would constitute possibly an abuse of office. It could
33:13
Speaker 1: also constitute quite easily a serious breach of the codes
33:19
Speaker 1: of Conduct in Victoria. And finally, I think it's conduct
33:23
Speaker 1: that obviously and clearly undermines public confidence in government and
33:27
Speaker 1: public administration, all those things put together. I think the
33:31
Speaker 1: answer to your question is yes.
33:35
Speaker 2: Plenty of analysis yesterday and comments indeed from the IBACK
33:40
Speaker 2: Commissioner about how constrained they were in terms of pursuing corruption.
33:47
Speaker 2: As you discuss, have we got a toothless target in Victoria?
33:52
Speaker 1: Well, I do think it has some serious deficiencies. The
33:55
Speaker 1: first one is that the definition of Corrupt Conduct Act,
34:00
Speaker 1: as I've said, is very narrow. It was introduced by
34:03
Speaker 1: the Baalue of Government in about twenty eleven twenty twelve.
34:07
Speaker 1: There was a lot of criticism at the time saying, well,
34:10
Speaker 1: why don't you make it wider like other other states,
34:13
Speaker 1: territories and the like. So if we look around the
34:16
Speaker 1: country at the moment, we've got New South Wales, Queensland,
34:19
Speaker 1: or the Territory Act, and the Federal Knack too, they've
34:23
Speaker 1: all got this wider definition of corrupt conduct. But Victoria's
34:27
Speaker 1: languishing with this very narrow one. So in that sense, yeah,
34:30
Speaker 1: I think I think it lacks teeth. Secondly, the fact
34:39
Speaker 1: that this inquiry has taken so long I think is
34:42
Speaker 1: part partly due to the structure of the legislation, not entirely,
34:46
Speaker 1: but I mean seven years. I mean that's just beyond
34:49
Speaker 1: the pale. And I think also the fact that public
34:52
Speaker 1: hearings can only be held in exceptional circumstances. In this
34:56
Speaker 1: day and age, I think the better test should be,
34:59
Speaker 1: as a is in other places, is it in the
35:02
Speaker 1: public interest to hold a public hearing? And part of
35:05
Speaker 1: that test is look at whether people's reputation will be
35:09
Speaker 1: unfairly damaged by having it in public. So I think
35:13
Speaker 1: it's become more sophisticated. There are better guidelines, but Victoria
35:18
Speaker 1: persists in the limitation of only exceptional circumstances. For public hears.
35:23
Speaker 1: So those three things I think deprived of this body
35:28
Speaker 1: of its effectiveness as it I mean, we've got to
35:33
Speaker 1: be fair. They can, of course make findings of criminal conduct,
35:39
Speaker 1: but the question is whether you want your integrity bodies
35:42
Speaker 1: to be focusing only on criminal behavior or whether you
35:45
Speaker 1: want them looking at corruption, integrity, good government, good behavior
35:50
Speaker 1: on a wider basis, and I think the latter is preferable.
35:56
Speaker 2: So one of the former commissioners, Robert red Lake, he
35:59
Speaker 2: has gone public and said that he argued for many years,
36:03
Speaker 2: as he said, did his predecessor, for the powers to
36:07
Speaker 2: be augmented, to be boosted to something like they have
36:11
Speaker 2: in New South Wales. That was certainly the view of
36:14
Speaker 2: the current commissioner, both very strong in that regard. And
36:19
Speaker 2: when the government does it. At what point does a
36:22
Speaker 2: government refusing to give the anti corruption watchdog the powers
36:27
Speaker 2: it needs to fight corruption amount to corruption in itself.
36:34
Speaker 1: That's an interesting one. I suppose we've got to be fair.
36:38
Speaker 1: I mean, the legislation was passed by parliament, so it
36:42
Speaker 1: wasn't just the government who's responsible for the legislation being
36:48
Speaker 1: narrower than it should be. So no, I think the
36:52
Speaker 1: answer is now I wouldn't see it as corrupt, because
36:55
Speaker 1: after all, it did, as I say, still allow iback
36:59
Speaker 1: to look at criminal based corrupt conduct. But it was
37:04
Speaker 1: just too narrow and I think that that was partly
37:07
Speaker 1: due to self interest by the government and the continued
37:12
Speaker 1: over the years. Kin You refusal to expand the legislation,
37:16
Speaker 1: although many people were critical of it, was also I
37:19
Speaker 1: think due in part of self interest and political protection.
37:22
Speaker 1: I can understand that parliamentarians don't want to be particularly
37:26
Speaker 1: exposed to public hearings and public findings, but you know
37:31
Speaker 1: that is self interest, and I think the public interest
37:34
Speaker 1: requires that if you go to have an integrity body,
37:37
Speaker 1: it's got to be an integrity body with teeth. It's
37:39
Speaker 1: got to have a wide path, and in this case,
37:42
Speaker 1: unfortunately that's not been the case. But I'm very pleased
37:47
Speaker 1: to see that the Liberal Party in Victoria said that
37:51
Speaker 1: they would now embrace the widening of this definition. And
37:55
Speaker 1: it now goes back to the new premier in Victoria.
37:58
Speaker 1: Let's see whether his aim that his government is one
38:01
Speaker 1: of integrity. Let's see him bring forward a bill and everybody,
38:05
Speaker 1: I think empolierment will support it. And the time is
38:08
Speaker 1: right and it'll be wonderful if that could happen.
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Speaker 2: Well, I hope you are right, Justice, Really, I'll leave
38:15
Speaker 2: it there, thank you. All right, before the break, let's
38:17
Speaker 2: have a look at your flags all.
38:18
Speaker 3: Around the country.
38:19
Speaker 2: As I said, front yards, backyards, on your truck, on
38:23
Speaker 2: your car, absolutely everywhere.
38:26
Speaker 3: They've been coming in.
38:27
Speaker 2: I've kept my team busy putting them up via the
38:30
Speaker 2: email onto the system. You've got wonderful mementos there, some
38:36
Speaker 2: farm equipment you can see on the screen, but lots
38:39
Speaker 2: of connections with the military too, proudly up in flagpoles
38:42
Speaker 2: and beautiful backyards. I must say, some beautiful bits of
38:45
Speaker 2: Australia I'm seeing as they come flooding in. But one
38:49
Speaker 2: thing is consistent in your emails to me, your messages
38:53
Speaker 2: with the photographs. You absolutely love this country and you
38:57
Speaker 2: are absolutely prepared to fight and defend it at the
39:00
Speaker 2: ballot box if required. Aren't they magnificent? All Right, we'll
39:04
Speaker 2: come back to more of those next week after the break.
39:07
Speaker 2: Real concern about personal security for Pauline Hansen. How much
39:11
Speaker 2: is this going to stop her campaigning in the activist
39:14
Speaker 2: breeding ground of Victoria.
39:20
Speaker 3: Welker backs still to come.
39:21
Speaker 2: The worrying rise of the socialist left in America with
39:24
Speaker 2: another pro Palestinian candidate taking out the Michigan Democratic primary.
39:29
Speaker 2: But first I want to turn to those scenes from
39:30
Speaker 2: Monday night left wing activists straight out of Central casting
39:35
Speaker 2: at the One Nation that Victorian Launch Party protesting there
39:39
Speaker 2: out the front. Yes, I know paul and Hanson's always
39:42
Speaker 2: copped protesters, but what we're seeing now and the personal
39:46
Speaker 2: slurs being hurled at it looks like an escalation to me.
39:50
Speaker 2: And it all comes at a time that we're worried
39:52
Speaker 2: about the safety, aren't we around the world of our
39:55
Speaker 2: politicians doing me now, someone who knows a fair bit
39:57
Speaker 2: about this, he was once a close personal protection officer
40:01
Speaker 2: a CPP of politicians in the past, you knowing well,
40:05
Speaker 2: David Craig, former AFP Detective Superintendent. Though, David, we've got
40:10
Speaker 2: some pictures on the screen. You know exactly what it's like,
40:13
Speaker 2: as I say, to give CPP support to politicians. There's
40:17
Speaker 2: you dancing though with Pauline Hanson. I know you worked
40:20
Speaker 2: with other politicians as well. I mentioned she's always been controversial, right,
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Speaker 2: so she's always had a level of protest. But how
40:28
Speaker 2: would you assess things now? Compared to when you worked
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Speaker 2: closely with her in the past.
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Speaker 18: Look, I think in the mid nineties, Peter, it was
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Speaker 18: a more stained threat environment. She was particularly disruptive in
40:44
Speaker 18: the political scene, whereas now I think everything is coming
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Speaker 18: a little bit more to the center and it's not
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Speaker 18: as bad. However, a fair way from the election. Yet
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Speaker 18: the protests back in the mid nineties were things being thrown,
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Speaker 18: and not just daily depth threats, but multiple daily death threats,
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Speaker 18: and it was a matter of prioritizing which was the
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Speaker 18: worst and what needed to be actioned. I think that
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Speaker 18: things will ramp up as we are closer to the election.
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Speaker 18: But one thing for sure, no one on this planet
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Speaker 18: will intimidate that woman. She man, She is tough, she
41:14
Speaker 18: is a tough customer, and she will not be intimidated.
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Speaker 18: I can tell you that now.
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Speaker 2: It only takes one though, And I look at the
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Speaker 2: case of Anne winnecam in the United Kingdom, where police
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Speaker 2: there have said they think it was someone motivated by
41:28
Speaker 2: left wing ideology. We saw that Health CEO gunned down
41:35
Speaker 2: in New York again left wing ideology. The activist class
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Speaker 2: on the left. Can't debate them, you can't reason them
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Speaker 2: with them. You can't even disagree that's ramping up in
41:47
Speaker 2: this country in a way we haven't seen before.
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Speaker 18: Yeah, that's right, Peter. It is they're becoming more brazen
41:53
Speaker 18: because I don't think that they've been met head on
41:56
Speaker 18: with serious consequences yet, but as far as disrupting traffic
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Speaker 18: and wherever it might be, But there are serious consequences
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Speaker 18: if the left or any ideology wants to escalate things further.
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Speaker 2: Well, what about the defense business in Melbourne? We are
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Speaker 2: told now there was an arson attack last year. We're
42:14
Speaker 2: told now it's being investigated as an act of far
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Speaker 2: left terrorism.
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Speaker 18: Well that's a prime point, Peter, and it's very heartening
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Speaker 18: to see that it demonstrates to the Australian public, or
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Speaker 18: it should, that our terrorism laws are ideology neutral. So
42:30
Speaker 18: regardless of your ideology, if you meet the criteria, and
42:34
Speaker 18: that's a fairly high bar with terrorism, but if you
42:37
Speaker 18: breach that threshold and you can be looked at for
42:39
Speaker 18: terrorism charges, you can be looking at life in prison.
42:42
Speaker 18: So it's no longer just a little bit of a protest.
42:44
Speaker 18: You will face some serious law enforcement and court time,
42:48
Speaker 18: jail time if you're convicted.
42:52
Speaker 2: I need to get a comment on some things that
42:55
Speaker 2: Chris Mins had to say, vowing that you'd close a
42:57
Speaker 2: legal loophole. This is after the Supreme Court refused to
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Speaker 2: place a supervision order on Yaka Ben Shabah, the nephew
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Speaker 2: of slain Isis terrorists Kalade Sharuf ben Shabier. I don't
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Speaker 2: want to run through this rap sheet again so people
43:12
Speaker 2: understand the man's background. Convicted this year over a twenty
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Speaker 2: four assault of a gay couple, was later charged while
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Speaker 2: in Bou over an alleged case of pro Isis material.
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Speaker 3: Those charges were dropped.
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Speaker 2: And he was released in April on a conditional release
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Speaker 2: order after he successfully appealed the sentence of that assault.
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Speaker 3: In twenty twenty four.
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Speaker 2: The Premier says the terror laws must err on the
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Speaker 2: side of public safety. I have to say I agree.
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Speaker 2: So explain why a supervision order would generally have been
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Speaker 2: sought by authorities, David.
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Speaker 18: Well, it's a civil order and it's done in respect
43:51
Speaker 18: to whether the Supreme Court assesses that there's an enduring
43:54
Speaker 18: and unacceptable risk of terrorism. Now, it's good that Chris
43:59
Speaker 18: Mins is taken a step forward and to mend the legislation.
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Speaker 18: I just would like to buy him an uber pass
44:05
Speaker 18: to get to Canberra and show Tony Burke what to
44:07
Speaker 18: do so we could fix up this isis Bribe's mess
44:10
Speaker 18: as well, with the same sort of legislative amendments.
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Speaker 2: Have you heard any movement from the federal government to
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Speaker 2: do exactly that?
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Speaker 18: No, I haven't, pert, I haven't heard a thing. I
44:23
Speaker 18: have read the One Nation policy in its draft form
44:27
Speaker 18: of their protections against foreign fighters, and I think that
44:32
Speaker 18: that's a very sensible idea. It's moving from an executive
44:35
Speaker 18: decision to the court and that's going to be more
44:37
Speaker 18: constitutionally acceptable, and I think it's got a lot of merit,
44:41
Speaker 18: and I think anyone who argue against that policy will
44:43
Speaker 18: have to come up with something very similar.
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Speaker 3: Very interesting. There leave it, David, thank you.
44:50
Speaker 2: Right next up that result out of Michigan.
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Speaker 3: We want to pull that apart.
44:53
Speaker 2: Abdul l said, what does that mean for the future
44:57
Speaker 2: of the Democrats in the United States?
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Speaker 3: The International panel coming up? All right, it's been.
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Speaker 2: A monumental note in the United States. There has been
45:08
Speaker 2: a big win for abdul l sayed, and the Democratic
45:11
Speaker 2: Senate primary in Michigan. Donald Trump, well Mince's words when
45:16
Speaker 2: he referenced El sayed.
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Speaker 17: Filth, crime, death, destruction, embarrassment.
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Speaker 16: You lose your home, you lose your apartment, and that's
45:29
Speaker 16: where the communists will take us one hundred percent. When
45:32
Speaker 16: I watch Abdul, he's.
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Speaker 1: Full of shit.
45:38
Speaker 2: Yeah, Mincey's words, there was wrong? Could youribut a coachhy
45:42
Speaker 2: Gada and former labor MP uncle Danby joined me.
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Speaker 3: I don't like that sort of language from a leader.
45:49
Speaker 3: Let me be up front there. But I tell you what.
45:52
Speaker 3: The movement now to the.
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Speaker 2: Radical, extreme crazy left, those shitless left communists left now
46:02
Speaker 2: for the Democratic Party bids troublesome. Not just for the
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Speaker 2: United States, but I think for the Western world.
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Speaker 19: It is ascendant. It's not uniform, but it is ascendant.
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Speaker 19: You have him, you have Maine, you have Maryland, Colorado,
46:17
Speaker 19: all these places Mamdani of course famous example, Wisconsin, they
46:20
Speaker 19: are ascendant. You could argue that it's actually now the
46:23
Speaker 19: mainstream winging of the Democrat Party because these candidates do
46:27
Speaker 19: have the momentum on their side. It's underpinned by demographics
46:30
Speaker 19: which favor them in Michigan, in a big Muslim community,
46:32
Speaker 19: all of that.
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Speaker 3: So this is a downstream consequence of that.
46:35
Speaker 19: It's also underpinned by economics, they're just a lot of
46:37
Speaker 19: young people that have economic despair, can't get a job,
46:40
Speaker 19: can't buy a home. People like this come around and
46:43
Speaker 19: say free healthcare for all, We're going to freeze rent.
46:45
Speaker 19: Sounds good. And then there's a third thing too, where
46:47
Speaker 19: they are change candidates. They are charismatic. He is not
46:51
Speaker 19: bad looking, able to sell the message in a very
46:53
Speaker 19: concise way. And these establishment types that just go to
46:56
Speaker 19: Washington and stay there forever don't land anymore. So it's
46:59
Speaker 19: a multi layered problem. But the wings the wind is
47:03
Speaker 19: certainly in the seals of these steps and candidates.
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Speaker 2: I still remember where I was when I watched the TV.
47:08
Speaker 2: I mean, were hubas ten at night and saw planes
47:12
Speaker 2: fly into buildings in New York. And I never thought
47:16
Speaker 2: in my lifetime I would see this happening, particularly in
47:19
Speaker 2: the United States. The commentary that he's had about Jews,
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Speaker 2: about Israel, about the Western world, about defending freedom and democracy,
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Speaker 2: not just him obviously, ma'm dar and everyone else, Michael,
47:31
Speaker 2: this must drive you to despair.
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Speaker 20: How quickly the young people at the three university towns
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Speaker 20: who voted for l s A ed forget. I agree
47:40
Speaker 20: with Bill mar the left wing TV host and James Carvill,
47:43
Speaker 20: the architect of Clinton's two victories, that these DSA people
47:47
Speaker 20: are infiltrators. It's a different political party, the Socialist Alliance
47:53
Speaker 20: that these people will adhere to. They are taking over
47:58
Speaker 20: a centurist party. Now I know Mike Rogers from our
48:01
Speaker 20: respective Intel Committee days, and he's a normal Republican, very
48:06
Speaker 20: good operator, only lost last time by nineteen thousand votes.
48:10
Speaker 20: I think donors and all people in America who take
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Speaker 20: this DSA threat seriously should get behind turning out working
48:20
Speaker 20: class people and African Americans who in Detroit who low
48:24
Speaker 20: these far left types. So if you can get African
48:28
Speaker 20: Americans and working class people to outvote the university students,
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Speaker 20: that's a political victory over these DSA people.
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Speaker 3: So that was going to be my next question.
48:38
Speaker 2: If the Democrats are going to persist in put these
48:40
Speaker 2: people up at the general election the midterms obviously not
48:43
Speaker 2: so far away. What's going to be the general view
48:46
Speaker 2: of the electorate that are they going to fly with
48:48
Speaker 2: the electorate.
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Speaker 19: The Democrats are really excellent at coming together, much more
48:52
Speaker 19: so than Republicans. When the primary fates are behind them
48:55
Speaker 19: and they're in the general, they put eighty million dollars
48:58
Speaker 19: behind his opponent. It was a more mainstream, regular Democrat.
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Speaker 19: So you said that so quickly, eighty.
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Speaker 3: Million, and I love that.
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Speaker 19: In Australia, that's what we've spent in a national election
49:07
Speaker 19: in one Senate ary. So it's not that they're not
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Speaker 19: backing the mainstream people. But she lost, not by much,
49:12
Speaker 19: not as much as A. Paul said, but she lost. However,
49:14
Speaker 19: come the midterms and even the presidential which will start
49:16
Speaker 19: the d after the midterms, they will rally behind these
49:19
Speaker 19: people to win against Republicans and then try to infate
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Speaker 19: after that the way Nancy Paulus has been fighting with
49:25
Speaker 19: AFC and that you know will continue. But I think
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Speaker 19: they're going to rally.
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Speaker 20: And a lot of normal people, including African Americans in
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Speaker 20: Detroit and working class people, don't agree with these filift people.
49:33
Speaker 20: And it's up to Mike Rodgers to rally the normal
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Speaker 20: people against these DSA infiltrators.
49:39
Speaker 2: Just quickly Iran this deal on the table. It looks
49:42
Speaker 2: like Iran could have a win.
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Speaker 20: The worst thing for Donald Trump would be to be
49:47
Speaker 20: perceived by Americans as a loser. So I've been watching
49:51
Speaker 20: the American generals on Fox and they say there are
49:54
Speaker 20: alternative munitions which could be used if he wants to
49:57
Speaker 20: start the fight back. Well, yes, to do is keep
49:59
Speaker 20: the Uranian economy turned off by keeping the blockade on,
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Speaker 20: keep his nerve. I'm afraid you might be right, though.
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Speaker 20: If he makes a deal and seem to be to
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Speaker 20: Iran's advantage, he will really be punished in the midterms
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Speaker 20: by Americans who not only don't like the war, but
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Speaker 20: don't like losers even more.
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Speaker 2: And it can't go tough on these democratic characters. If
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Speaker 2: he's gone week on Iran, gott to leave it there.
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Speaker 2: Have a lovely weekend. Have a lovely weekend to you too.
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Speaker 2: I'll see you right now. That I was going to
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Speaker 2: say i'll see it won't be early. It was six
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Speaker 2: o'clock as usual on Monday night. James McPherson sitting in
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Speaker 2: for Andrew bolt tonight.
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Speaker 3: Enjoy