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Paranormal Activity at Greastone Manor with The Bunker · The Occult Rejects

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  Speaker 1: You see, something's going to happen. What? What's going to happen?
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  Speaker 2: Something wonderful.
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  Speaker 3: What?
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  Speaker 1: I understand how you feel.
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  Speaker 4: You see, it's all very clear.
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  Speaker 1: To me now. Welcome to the Occult Rejects. Today we're
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  Speaker 1: heading to Gasport, New York. and Greystone Manor, a 19th
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  Speaker 1: century Victorian house with a long history of ghost stories,
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  Speaker 1: strange encounters, and paranormal investigations. Visitors have reported footsteps, voices,
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  Speaker 1: shadow figures, unexplained touches, moving objects, and activity throughout the house,
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  Speaker 1: especially in the basement. My guest tonight is Michael Brown,
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  Speaker 1: creator and host of The Bunker. Mike has more than
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  Speaker 1: 20 years of experience investigating paranormal phenomena and And in 2021,
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  Speaker 1: he spent a long weekend inside Greystone Manor conducting his
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  Speaker 1: own investigation. So tonight, we're cutting through the legends and
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  Speaker 1: getting into what actually happened while he was there. What
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  Speaker 1: he saw, what he heard, what he captured, and what
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  Speaker 1: he still can't explain. But before we get to him,
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  Speaker 1: let me introduce the other rejects that are joining us.
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  Speaker 1: We got Judith the Loon. What is going on, Judith?
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  Speaker 1: So happy you could make this one.
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  Speaker 3: I'm happy to make this one, too. Like I said before,
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  Speaker 3: I'm excited. This is something that's happening technically in my
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  Speaker 3: own backyard. So I'll be I'm very, very in tune.
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  Speaker 3: Thank you for having me, Nick. Thank you for coming.
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  Speaker 3: The bunker and Sunray. Always a pleasure.
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  Speaker 1: Thank you very much. I appreciate that. And Sunray, my man,
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  Speaker 1: it's nice to have you on again, especially at this time.
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  Speaker 1: I'm used to always having you on in the morning.
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  Speaker 1: It's nice to have you on at night.
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  Speaker 2: Well, yeah.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, I love it when you do the evening
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  Speaker 4: episodes because then I can do my life in the
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  Speaker 4: morning and come hang out with you. It's awesome.
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  Speaker 1: I got to remember that. Okay. Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: Thank you for having me, everyone. I'm excited to be
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  Speaker 4: here because I've seen some shit also. I haven't done
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  Speaker 4: a formal investigation, but I've seen some shit. That's for sure.
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  Speaker 4: But yeah, my name is Sanre. I am the host
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  Speaker 4: of the Order of Chaos podcast. I'm an author. I've
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  Speaker 4: got a book coming out this month, October 2nd. It's
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  Speaker 4: called Chaos Witchcraft. And I run a school, the Order
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  Speaker 4: of Chaos Occult University. Also live stream here on YouTube,
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  Speaker 4: Monday through Friday at 11 a.m.
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  Speaker 1: Awesome. Thank you so much, Sanre. And if people are interested,
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  Speaker 1: I mean, he's come on the show. He's talked about
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  Speaker 1: his book. You can go check out that episode. Check
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  Speaker 1: out his book. Definitely check out his YouTube channel. The
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  Speaker 1: guy does something every day. So, you know, I highly
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  Speaker 1: suggest to go check out his stuff. Thank you very much.
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  Speaker 4: It's like in a phase of being reconfigurated, right? Reconfigured.
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  Speaker 1: You got to wait until after the eclipse, right? Well, yeah, that.
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  Speaker 4: I don't know. Just like the live stream thing is
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  Speaker 4: so much fun. I love doing it, but I feel
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  Speaker 4: like I do it Monday through Friday and then I
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  Speaker 4: forget to make other videos and do other podcasts and
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  Speaker 4: stuff because I'm having so much fun doing the live stream.
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  Speaker 4: So now I'm just trying to figure out a get
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  Speaker 4: it all back into a shape that I like.
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  Speaker 1: All right. Well, I hope that, uh, works out for
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  Speaker 1: you there, bud. Yeah, of course, of course. And then
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  Speaker 1: finally the guest himself, what is going on, Michael? How
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  Speaker 1: are you? Please let everybody know what is up with
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  Speaker 1: you and where they can find all your work.
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  Speaker 2: How's it going, everybody? Thanks for, uh, for having me
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  Speaker 2: on big fan of the occult reject.
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  Speaker 1: Thank you, man.
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  Speaker 2: Regular listener. It's kicks ass. It's great.
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  Speaker 1: Thank you. Thank you.
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  Speaker 2: Uh, one of the things I like about it is
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  Speaker 2: the variety of things. Some of it's very heavily academic
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  Speaker 2: and then you get some, just, you know, just, just
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  Speaker 2: some shooting the shit around, around the round table. You get,
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  Speaker 2: you know, yeah. You like people like me, we talk
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  Speaker 2: about paranormal stuff. Uh, the occult magical practice. It's, it's,
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  Speaker 2: it's great. Um, can't, can't, uh, recommend it enough.
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  Speaker 1: Honestly.
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  Speaker 2: Uh, I learned a lot about tarot actually, uh, watching
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  Speaker 2: the show.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, really? Uh, That must have been for Mario, not
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  Speaker 1: for me.
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  Speaker 3: It was....
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  Speaker 2: The first episode I ever listened to was... I forget
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  Speaker 2: her name. She was going deep into tarot.
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  Speaker 1: Might have been Megan, maybe, back in the day. Because
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  Speaker 1: I know you've been also listening for a long time.
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  Speaker 1: I do know that, actually.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's probably who it was. Going deep into tarot
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  Speaker 2: and all the meanings and everything. It was really cool.
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  Speaker 2: One thing I find interesting is you know, you wanted
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  Speaker 2: me to go into like a real quick origin story. I, uh,
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  Speaker 2: I was always interested in the paranormal. I grew up,
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  Speaker 2: you know, in the, in the, in the eighties watching
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  Speaker 2: in search of, and, and, you know, watching the bionic
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  Speaker 2: man fight Bigfoot. And, uh, I was always interested in
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  Speaker 2: the topic, but when I was, I was not too
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  Speaker 2: long after I was married, had two daughters. I moved
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  Speaker 2: into this, uh, uh, A house that was built in...
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  Speaker 2: The construction was completed in 1776. So it's as old
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  Speaker 2: as the country. Massive house.
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  Speaker 1: And.
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  Speaker 2: I think it was a six or seven bedroom house.
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  Speaker 2: With a servant's entrance. It's amazing. And the building was used...
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  Speaker 2: Growing up in my Presbyterian church. It was in town.
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  Speaker 2: As the home for the minister. While they lived there.
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  Speaker 3: And.
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  Speaker 2: they were without a minister for a really long time,
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  Speaker 2: so they decided to rent the place out. And they said,
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  Speaker 2: you know, they reached out to me and my friend TJ,
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  Speaker 2: who grew up in that town we heard about, in
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  Speaker 2: New Egypt, by the way, growing up hearing stories about
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  Speaker 2: this house and this woman who was seen in the
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  Speaker 2: yard and a little child that's seen in the yard. And,
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  Speaker 2: you know, we grew up hearing these stories. And even
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  Speaker 2: actually growing up, the youth group used to run a
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  Speaker 2: haunted house inside this building. It was just like a gigantic,
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  Speaker 2: creepy old house, right? And so we get the opportunity
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  Speaker 2: to like live there, sign a lease and live there
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  Speaker 2: for a year. We're like, we're doing this. We didn't
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  Speaker 2: even hesitate. We're like, we're doing it. We'll figure out
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  Speaker 2: how to afford it later. And so we lived there
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  Speaker 2: for a year and like the activity was continuous. Like,
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  Speaker 2: especially when we first moved in and when we're moving out,
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  Speaker 2: it was off the charts. I mean, something was happening
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  Speaker 2: every night. I mean, we're talking about doors slamming, rooms
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  Speaker 2: lighting up where there's like no one in there and
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  Speaker 2: no lights were turned on. We would have lights turn
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  Speaker 2: on and physically turn on and off right in front
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  Speaker 2: of us. You see the chain moving. You hear the
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  Speaker 2: click and see the light turn on and you see
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  Speaker 2: the chain moving. Nobody's anywhere near it. That kind of stuff.
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  Speaker 2: And it was pretty much constant. And so we lived
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  Speaker 2: there for a year and always being into the topic.
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  Speaker 2: And then it was basically right around the same time
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  Speaker 2: that Ghost Hunters became a big thing on the sci-fi network.
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  Speaker 2: And so people started... talking about paranormal more openly and
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  Speaker 2: it became like a more accepted thing and a more
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  Speaker 2: popular thing to talk about right around the same time.
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  Speaker 2: And so, uh, I, I started doing some research and
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  Speaker 2: I'm like, Oh my God, I go online and I
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  Speaker 2: find like, Oh, there's like actual groups out there that
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  Speaker 2: are professionally doing this, like getting together, getting equipment, they're having,
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  Speaker 2: you know, they're writing, you know, incident reports and logging
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  Speaker 2: everything and, you know, trying to debunk stuff and doing,
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  Speaker 2: going through this whole thing. You know, more than they
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  Speaker 2: do on the show, actually. And so I joined the group,
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  Speaker 2: started training. That's actually where I met Beth. I have
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  Speaker 2: to say, though, I initially, I almost didn't join the
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  Speaker 2: group because I found out they use psychics. Because at
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  Speaker 2: the time, I just didn't believe that stuff at all.
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  Speaker 2: Not at all. Like, I was like, oh, God. I
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  Speaker 2: was like, they use psychics? And I was looking at
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  Speaker 2: all their equipment they use and everything. And that's what
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  Speaker 2: I was into, the tech. And, like, you know, catching
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  Speaker 2: evidence and, like, all that. So that's what I was into.
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  Speaker 2: But I was like, oh, you psychics, come on. I
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  Speaker 2: had never, you know, I had some interactions with some
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  Speaker 2: charlatans over the years, but not anybody who's legitimately had, like, abilities.
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  Speaker 2: And so I didn't believe it. And the interesting thing is, like,
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  Speaker 2: the more I would do it, the more places I
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  Speaker 2: would go, I would start to feel weird at certain times.
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  Speaker 2: And other people would be like, oh, yeah, I know.
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  Speaker 2: Talk to me after. Like, what are you talking about?
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  Speaker 2: You know, and then lo and behold, we would have
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  Speaker 2: like EVPs from that room and we would, you know,
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  Speaker 2: catch a little piece of evidence or we'd see a
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  Speaker 2: shadow in a video. A psychic, you know, wrote down
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  Speaker 2: in her notebook, timestamp, oh, 954. A spirit walked through
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  Speaker 2: the room, you know, bumped into Mike and all of
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  Speaker 2: a sudden he feels, you know what I mean? I
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  Speaker 2: just felt the sensation. I didn't understand what was going
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  Speaker 2: on yet. But the longer I did this stuff, the
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  Speaker 2: more sensitive I became. And then I started to really
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  Speaker 2: connect with like all these different locations we were going
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  Speaker 2: to and investigating. I was really connecting hard with anything
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  Speaker 2: Native American. And a lot of people, investigators, like most
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  Speaker 2: of them I talked to, they say they have a really,
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  Speaker 2: really hard time ever communicating or having any kind of
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  Speaker 2: activity near a burial site or an old settlement or
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  Speaker 2: something like that. Typically, it seems like they don't leave
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  Speaker 2: very many EVPs or very much evidence behind. for whatever reason.
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  Speaker 2: But over the years, you know, I'm doing this and
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  Speaker 2: I'm doing this and I'm getting more sensitive is I
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  Speaker 2: didn't even know that's what it was called at the time. Uh,
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  Speaker 2: and I started experiencing, and then I started seeing things,
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  Speaker 2: but then I started hearing things that other people aren't
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  Speaker 2: seeing and hearing, uh, that's coinciding with equipment going off
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  Speaker 2: or like a, or a voice popping up. Um, I
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  Speaker 2: think the deciding thing for me was like towards the end,
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  Speaker 2: my training was about a year long. It was pretty intense.
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  Speaker 2: I had to go to different locations, learn how to
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  Speaker 2: write the reports, learn how to interact with clients. You
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  Speaker 2: don't want to make them more scared. There's certain things
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  Speaker 2: you say, certain things you don't say, how to interview somebody.
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  Speaker 2: There was a lot of psychology and a lot of
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  Speaker 2: police actually had input into how to do the questioning
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  Speaker 2: and what to say and how to be gentle about it.
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  Speaker 2: Because If you're going into a person's home for, like,
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  Speaker 2: you know, like a private case, a public case is
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  Speaker 2: a completely different story. But a private case is you're
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  Speaker 2: going in, like, this person could be on medications. They
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  Speaker 2: could be conflicting medications. There could be geological things going on.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, it could be so many different things that's
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  Speaker 2: causing this activity, right?
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  Speaker 1: Oh, the activity may not even be happening. The person
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  Speaker 1: just may be batshit crazy themselves. Yeah. Just keep it real.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah. 100%. They could also be affected by, like,
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  Speaker 2: there could be mold in the house or extremely high
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  Speaker 2: EMF levels in the house. Like, if their electricity isn't
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  Speaker 2: grounded properly and they're sensitive to EMF, like, that could
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  Speaker 2: really bug you out.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, yeah.
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  Speaker 1: You'll fucking fry someone's brain out of it.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Like, with just weird shit, like, voices and thinking, like, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: this is weird stuff. Yeah, totally. Totally.
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  Speaker 2: And so, you know, so we go through our training.
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  Speaker 2: We graduate. We've been investigating, you know, like I said,
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  Speaker 2: since 2012. And so Beth and I, Beth is a medium.
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  Speaker 2: I met her in the investigation group, and we've been
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  Speaker 2: investigating together ever since. And so we're watching TV one day,
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  Speaker 2: and she pulls up this episode. Actually, let me go
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  Speaker 2: back here.
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  Speaker 1: Okay.
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  Speaker 4: So.
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  Speaker 2: Beth pulls up this TV show, Kindred Spirits, with Amy
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  Speaker 2: Bruni and Adam Barry, Chip Coffey. Most of these people
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  Speaker 2: you see on TV, we've met them, we've worked with them,
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  Speaker 2: we've helped them out at events and stuff like that.
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  Speaker 3: Really?
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  Speaker 1: You worked with Chip?
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  Speaker 2: I haven't worked directly with him, but I've been at
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  Speaker 2: several events with him.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, that's cool. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: And so like these guys were investigating this, this place.
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  Speaker 2: And so we turn it on, we're watching it. And
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  Speaker 2: then Beth is like, Oh my God, wait a second.
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  Speaker 2: I know, I know her, the woman that owns the
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  Speaker 2: bed and breakfast. She's like, that's my friend, Heather. I
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  Speaker 2: met her at an event. And, uh, so, so she
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  Speaker 2: reaches out, Beth reaches out to Heather and says like, Hey,
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  Speaker 2: that's wild. We just, we just saw your bed and
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  Speaker 2: breakfast on television. And she's like, oh, yeah, yeah, it's
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  Speaker 2: pretty cool. Those guys are nice. And they've done other stuff,
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  Speaker 2: other projects together since then. And Heather has appeared on
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  Speaker 2: their program on other episodes and stuff. She's a legit medium.
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  Speaker 2: She's the real deal. And she has her office in
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  Speaker 2: the bed and breakfast, like in the place. And I
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  Speaker 2: personally think that has a lot to do with charging
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  Speaker 2: that area and probably helping activity to manifest because she's constantly,
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  Speaker 2: you know, she's a medium, so she's bringing things in,
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  Speaker 2: bringing in other, like, loved ones and stuff for people
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  Speaker 2: that come in for readings or whatever. That's going on
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  Speaker 2: on the regular in this place, and it's a place
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  Speaker 2: that was active before that. So, yeah, so pretty cool.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, I wonder if that does, you know,
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  Speaker 1: the only reason why I'm even bringing it up now
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  Speaker 1: is because I was thinking the same thing. I've wondered
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  Speaker 1: even with, like, where people, it may not always be
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  Speaker 1: the dead body when it comes to, like, for me,
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  Speaker 1: in New York, on Long Island, we always assumed the
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  Speaker 1: weird shit was going on because of dead Indians underneath
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  Speaker 1: the ground. But, like, if they're doing... I mean, if
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  Speaker 1: you want to keep it real, if they're a real
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  Speaker 1: Indian tribe, they had a shaman somewhere, and there were probably...
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  Speaker 1: Somebody was fucking with magic and crossing the abyss sometimes.
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  Speaker 1: Or at least at some point. You know? So, like,
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  Speaker 1: does that, like, leave a mark or something? So, like,
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  Speaker 1: you know, her doing all this work there, if something's
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  Speaker 1: going on, could that, like, leave, like, residual effect or...
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  Speaker 1: I don't know, something weird.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think so.
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  Speaker 1: Because.
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  Speaker 2: Because not only does this area have, I mean, I
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  Speaker 2: can't really say, like I told you before we went live,
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  Speaker 2: I can't put my finger on what exactly it is
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  Speaker 2: about that whole area of New York. But it's, you know,
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  Speaker 2: it's like Western New York. It's probably, the house is
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  Speaker 2: about 30, 40 minutes from Niagara Falls. Along the wine trail,
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  Speaker 2: there's just, it's rolling hills and it's orchards and wineries.
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  Speaker 2: And it's an amazing part of the country. If you
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  Speaker 2: haven't been, I suggest visiting sometime. But a lot of
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  Speaker 2: tragedy happened there too. And during the revolution, during the
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  Speaker 2: battles with the native tribes, I mean, it was really
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  Speaker 2: brutal up there. Because the Seneca, for one, did not,
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  Speaker 2: you know, they fought back a lot. and so there
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  Speaker 2: was a lot of bloodshed up there. And actually, let
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  Speaker 2: me see here. I'm going to share my screen again.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know if I ever put it up last time, actually.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know if I ever saw it on the bottom.
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  Speaker 1: I can't remember. I'm stoned now. This fucking joint just
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  Speaker 1: hit me.
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  Speaker 2: Um, where is my, here we go.
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  Speaker 1: Awesome. There we go. I'll pull it up. Okay.
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  Speaker 2: So that's better. So Heather mentioned this stuff. So we
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  Speaker 2: went there the first, and we've been there twice for
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  Speaker 2: a total of about two weeks total time we spent there.
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  Speaker 2: And when we were there, Heather Reese Madison, who's the
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  Speaker 2: owner of the, of the business, was telling us about
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  Speaker 2: when they were digging, because the Erie Canal was right
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  Speaker 2: past the house. So you drive over this little bridge
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  Speaker 2: over the canal right before you get to their street
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  Speaker 2: and turn down the road and get to Greystone Manor.
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  Speaker 2: So it's right down the road. And there is loads
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  Speaker 2: of stories. I think she's pretty sure she's got actual
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  Speaker 2: copies of old news articles talking about little kids coming
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  Speaker 2: home with skulls and stuff. Because they were going through
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  Speaker 2: and digging the canal and the workers were just they
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  Speaker 2: could just find in piles of bodies, all these burials.
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  Speaker 2: And they were just like basically picking them up and
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  Speaker 2: just putting them to the side and just continue on
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  Speaker 2: with what they're doing. And local kids were finding them
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  Speaker 2: and messing with them and people were taking them. And
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  Speaker 2: so that a lot of their remains were even desecrated.
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  Speaker 2: And this is like pretty verified. Another thing that Heather
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  Speaker 2: told us was that there is, I, when I went
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  Speaker 2: back there, I thought myself that it was like, it
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  Speaker 2: was at least a settlement. because I walked back there
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  Speaker 2: and I could smell food cooking. I could see at
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  Speaker 2: one point I could like see almost like smoke from
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  Speaker 2: a campfire kind of rolling across the ground. And like,
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  Speaker 2: you could just, you just stand in that space and
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  Speaker 2: you could just picture it. This little, little rise with,
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  Speaker 2: with a nice running stream alongside of it. Uh, you know,
• 17:16
  Speaker 2: orchards and fruit and, and, you know, medicinal plants growing
• 17:22
  Speaker 2: crazy still to this day everywhere. Um, And so I
• 17:27
  Speaker 2: think all those things together is what kind of gives
• 17:30
  Speaker 2: that whole area sort of a feel to it. When
• 17:33
  Speaker 2: the sun goes down, you feel like you're being watched.
• 17:40
  Speaker 2: And yeah, so we have this weird, all of a
• 17:45
  Speaker 2: sudden we just see this place on TV. Beth knows
• 17:51
  Speaker 2: this individual. And so she reaches out. She reaches out
• 18:00
  Speaker 2: to Heather and they start talking. Heather's like, hey, there's
• 18:05
  Speaker 2: a couple weekends coming up. There's not even anybody here.
• 18:08
  Speaker 2: If you guys want to come up, I'll give you
• 18:09
  Speaker 2: a cool rate on a room and stuff like that.
• 18:11
  Speaker 2: You come up, you have to run to the place,
• 18:12
  Speaker 2: just investigate. I think we ended up spending four days there.
• 18:19
  Speaker 2: It was intense. It was really intense. One of the
• 18:21
  Speaker 2: most intense places. We slept there too. We were there
• 18:25
  Speaker 2: day and night. you know, for four days. And it,
• 18:29
  Speaker 2: it's a good way to, if you're going to investigate somewhere,
• 18:33
  Speaker 2: if you can, if you can stay like a day
• 18:36
  Speaker 2: and a night or two or three in a row,
• 18:39
  Speaker 2: that's when the place really starts to kind of soak in,
• 18:41
  Speaker 2: you know, and you really start opening up more to
• 18:44
  Speaker 2: things and more things seem to happen. Is it like
• 18:47
  Speaker 2: the environment itself almost gets more comfortable with you?
• 18:50
  Speaker 1: You know, I think a lot of places sometimes even
• 18:52
  Speaker 1: get fucked by just the investigation being a few nights.
• 18:56
  Speaker 1: You know, like, even when we've seen people go on,
• 18:58
  Speaker 1: you know, ghost hunters, even ghost adventures, when they show
• 19:01
  Speaker 1: up somewhere and nothing happens, it's like, you were there, what,
• 19:04
  Speaker 1: for one or two days out of how many years, like,
• 19:07
  Speaker 1: these people have been here? You know, it kind of sucks,
• 19:10
  Speaker 1: I think, sometimes. So I think, yeah, the longer you stay,
• 19:12
  Speaker 1: the better, obviously, it is.
• 19:13
  Speaker 4: For sure. Like, in my mind, if I were going
• 19:16
  Speaker 4: to do this, I would want to be in a
• 19:17
  Speaker 4: place minimum of two weeks.
• 19:18
  Speaker 1: Yo, right? Yeah. Yeah.
• 19:23
  Speaker 5: Quick question. Heather lives there, or is she just.
• 19:25
  Speaker 3: rents out the.
• 19:26
  Speaker 5: Rooms there.
• 19:28
  Speaker 2: Uh her and her husband live like in the in
• 19:31
  Speaker 2: in the house it's so big that they have like
• 19:34
  Speaker 2: they basically live in like the servants quarters kind of
• 19:36
  Speaker 2: and the rest of the house is you know the
• 19:38
  Speaker 2: bed and breakfast portion and yeah and i'll go through
• 19:41
  Speaker 2: some some pictures here and just talk about some of
• 19:46
  Speaker 2: the things that happened to us while we were there
• 19:48
  Speaker 2: and you know you can just stop me at any point.
• 19:51
  Speaker 2: At the end, I have a few pieces of evidence
• 19:54
  Speaker 2: that are super compelling. And then some things that happened
• 19:56
  Speaker 2: to us while we're investigating, things that happened after. And honestly,
• 20:01
  Speaker 2: things that happened to one of the EVPs just the
• 20:05
  Speaker 2: other day. Because this place is nuts. So whenever you
• 20:13
  Speaker 2: capture a piece of evidence, an image or an EVP
• 20:15
  Speaker 2: is probably the two most common things you capture. And
• 20:20
  Speaker 2: what you do is you log it, especially if it's audio.
• 20:24
  Speaker 2: What I do personally is I will save the save
• 20:28
  Speaker 2: name will basically be the date and time it was
• 20:30
  Speaker 2: captured and either the location and or what I think
• 20:34
  Speaker 2: it's saying. So if you catch a real clear EVP
• 20:38
  Speaker 2: and everyone listens to it and like, oh yeah, they're
• 20:39
  Speaker 2: saying this. You label it that because everyone hears it.
• 20:42
  Speaker 2: They all hear the same thing, right? And there's all
• 20:44
  Speaker 2: these different... There's class A, B, and C of audio.
• 20:49
  Speaker 2: Class A being the best. Everybody agrees on what it says, right?
• 20:53
  Speaker 2: Class B is definitely you hear a voice or something,
• 20:56
  Speaker 2: but everybody kind of hears a little something different. You're
• 20:59
  Speaker 2: not really sure. It's a little obscure. It's a little muffled,
• 21:01
  Speaker 2: maybe a little quiet. You can't really tell what's exactly
• 21:03
  Speaker 2: being said. And then class C would be like a
• 21:05
  Speaker 2: breath or a cough or just a weird noise that nobody...
• 21:10
  Speaker 2: could figure out what it came from or you know
• 21:12
  Speaker 2: like something sounds like you know sometimes you'll get like
• 21:15
  Speaker 2: sounds of like furniture crashing or being thrown against the
• 21:18
  Speaker 2: wall you walk into a room and there's nothing out
• 21:19
  Speaker 2: of place and you're like what the hell you know
• 21:22
  Speaker 2: stuff like that um.
• 21:25
  Speaker 4: But i.
• 21:28
  Speaker 2: Had i had equipment affected there like no other place
• 21:32
  Speaker 2: i've ever been You will have battery drains. You're going
• 21:34
  Speaker 2: to have equipment do weird stuff. We have pieces of
• 21:38
  Speaker 2: equipment that started making noises that doesn't have a speaker
• 21:41
  Speaker 2: in it. It isn't supposed to make a noise. That's
• 21:43
  Speaker 2: happened a couple times. With a device that just has
• 21:47
  Speaker 2: a light on it. And all of a sudden it
• 21:48
  Speaker 2: starts buzzing. And we're like, where's the buzzing coming from?
• 21:51
  Speaker 2: There's no buzzer and there's no speaker. Where the hell
• 21:53
  Speaker 2: does the sound come from? And it'll just stop. Or
• 21:56
  Speaker 2: equipment will just burn out or just die. Batteries die
• 21:59
  Speaker 2: all the time. That kind of stuff. But man, this
• 22:03
  Speaker 2: place is freaking crazy. And I think a lot of
• 22:09
  Speaker 2: people go there and they don't experience anything. I think
• 22:12
  Speaker 2: that certain places are just open to different people based
• 22:17
  Speaker 2: on how that person is. What you're open to believe,
• 22:21
  Speaker 2: I think if you're respectful, if you're somebody that's kind
• 22:24
  Speaker 2: of a dickhead and provoking and doing that kind of shit,
• 22:29
  Speaker 2: a lot of places, nothing's going to happen. Because they're
• 22:32
  Speaker 2: just going to be like.
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: Yeah, fuck this guy.
• 22:36
  Speaker 4: It works for Zach Bagans.
• 22:38
  Speaker 2: He fakes evidence.
• 22:40
  Speaker 4: Yeah, for sure. One of the things that I'm trying
• 22:48
  Speaker 4: to sort this out in my mind, right? Because when
• 22:51
  Speaker 4: we could say your level of belief might determine what
• 22:55
  Speaker 4: you experience, that sounds like the placebo effect. But that's
• 22:59
  Speaker 4: not what it is. I think that the vast majority
• 23:02
  Speaker 4: of people are experts at ignoring shit. Like things that
• 23:08
  Speaker 4: are right in front of their face. They can go
• 23:10
  Speaker 4: there and have shit going on all over the place
• 23:14
  Speaker 4: and they're like, I don't see anything. This isn't real.
• 23:17
  Speaker 4: I think that's what's going on most of the time. 100%, dude.
• 23:24
  Speaker 2: 100%. I've, we've had events where we were, we were
• 23:29
  Speaker 2: at the, at the, uh, I don't know if anyone's
• 23:30
  Speaker 2: ever heard of it, the Red Mill in Clinton, New Jersey.
• 23:33
  Speaker 2: It's a cool spot. Um, I'm pretty sure I saw
• 23:36
  Speaker 2: a Chupacabra on the way up there.
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: Um, I, yeah. Yeah, I don't know what the hell
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: it was.
• 23:41
  Speaker 2: Dude, but it looked like a fucking chupacabra on the
• 23:43
  Speaker 2: side of the highway driving to that place. I don't
• 23:45
  Speaker 2: know what the hell it was.
• 23:46
  Speaker 4: Sorry, we're laughing. That was my nickname for a long time.
• 23:50
  Speaker 4: I used to be a chef, and at the time,
• 23:52
  Speaker 4: at this place in Louisiana, we were at this restaurant
• 23:55
  Speaker 4: in Louisiana that's definitely haunted, but that's a whole other story.
• 23:59
  Speaker 4: At the time, I was the most Hispanic individual that
• 24:02
  Speaker 4: any of them had ever seen because we're in the
• 24:04
  Speaker 4: Deep South, and I moved there from California.
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 24:06
  Speaker 4: And so everyone just starts calling me El Chupacabra cause they,
• 24:08
  Speaker 4: you know, a bunch of fucking Southerners.
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: What a name they give you, El Chupacabra.
• 24:18
  Speaker 2: Love the South.
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: Um, Oh, anyway.
• 24:22
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 24:22
  Speaker 2: So we had a, so we had a public event
• 24:23
  Speaker 2: at this place, this place called the red mill. It's
• 24:25
  Speaker 2: pretty cool. It's like, there's a big mill, but then
• 24:26
  Speaker 2: there's a little road that goes down as a little
• 24:28
  Speaker 2: village and little old, you know, houses and stuff in
• 24:31
  Speaker 2: the old mill in the back. And, um, So we
• 24:35
  Speaker 2: had a public event there, and we had different stations
• 24:36
  Speaker 2: set up. We had an EVP station, and then an
• 24:43
  Speaker 2: ITC station, and people using ghost boxes, and Gansfeld, and
• 24:47
  Speaker 2: all these different things over there, and different cameras and
• 24:51
  Speaker 2: stuff at a different station. So people with the public
• 24:54
  Speaker 2: would go through on different things, and we would talk
• 24:56
  Speaker 2: about it, give a little lecture, share some EVPs from
• 24:58
  Speaker 2: the place, stuff like that. So we're standing there in
• 25:00
  Speaker 2: this little schoolhouse, and it was me, Beth was with
• 25:04
  Speaker 2: me and our other friend Taryn was with us, who
• 25:07
  Speaker 2: we've been investigating with for years. And we're standing there
• 25:09
  Speaker 2: with about probably 10 to 12 people from the public.
• 25:13
  Speaker 2: And we hear clear as a bell, this woman's voice
• 25:15
  Speaker 2: has come out of nowhere. And we could tell right away,
• 25:18
  Speaker 2: because it sounded like it was behind us and all
• 25:20
  Speaker 2: the public was in front of us. And there was
• 25:22
  Speaker 2: nobody back there. And we even went outside real quick
• 25:25
  Speaker 2: and went all the way around the building and we're
• 25:26
  Speaker 2: looking around. There was nobody outside that was near the place.
• 25:29
  Speaker 2: And this voice was crystal clear. And the three of
• 25:32
  Speaker 2: us just shot each other a look like, did you
• 25:34
  Speaker 2: hear that? All of us heard it. Nobody else in
• 25:37
  Speaker 2: the room heard it. I mean, and it was loud
• 25:39
  Speaker 2: to us. So, I mean, is it, you know, is
• 25:42
  Speaker 2: that because we're more accustomed to listening to that? Like,
• 25:46
  Speaker 2: I think Radova would say that in his research, and
• 25:54
  Speaker 2: he's one of the pioneers of EVP research, he He
• 26:00
  Speaker 2: recorded and studied, I think it's like 25,000 EVPs or
• 26:03
  Speaker 2: something like that. Just sort of basic old school, you know, real,
• 26:05
  Speaker 2: real recorder and a microphone, super, you know, primitive stuff. But,
• 26:11
  Speaker 2: but he found that the more you listen to the stuff,
• 26:14
  Speaker 2: the easier it became to hear. And you started over time,
• 26:17
  Speaker 2: whether your ears were open or is it an attention
• 26:20
  Speaker 2: thing or is it your, some people describe it to
• 26:26
  Speaker 2: me as like flexing, flexing a muscle. You know, like
• 26:28
  Speaker 2: you go to the gym all the time, you're going
• 26:29
  Speaker 2: to get stronger. you know, and, and, and bigger. And,
• 26:33
  Speaker 2: you know, the psychic thing has been described to me
• 26:36
  Speaker 2: kind of in the same way. You put yourself repeatedly
• 26:38
  Speaker 2: into dark haunted locations and just sit there in the
• 26:41
  Speaker 2: dark and just listen really quiet. Like your hearing will
• 26:44
  Speaker 2: get better and better and better because you're just tuning
• 26:47
  Speaker 2: everything else out. And you're just listening every tiny, you know,
• 26:50
  Speaker 2: you start to get like mouse here and you're like
• 26:51
  Speaker 2: every tiny little movement. You're like, wait, there's an animal
• 26:54
  Speaker 2: over there, you know, or, Oh wait, was that something
• 26:56
  Speaker 2: just shifted over there? You know, you'll start hearing footsteps everywhere.
• 27:01
  Speaker 2: It seems like the more you do it, the more
• 27:03
  Speaker 2: tuned into it you get and the easier it is
• 27:07
  Speaker 2: to detect the stuff. And you start hearing things that
• 27:10
  Speaker 2: are captured on equipment. When you start off, at least
• 27:12
  Speaker 2: for me, I would capture EVPs, but I would never
• 27:14
  Speaker 2: hear them. Never hear them. So that's why I was
• 27:17
  Speaker 2: so excited to dive into the audio. And I would
• 27:19
  Speaker 2: literally have a recorder on myself and record from the
• 27:22
  Speaker 2: minute we got to the place before we were even
• 27:24
  Speaker 2: setting up, like during the walkthrough. all that stuff, I
• 27:27
  Speaker 2: would have audio running the entire time and I would
• 27:28
  Speaker 2: catch crazy EVPs before we even started investigating. And I
• 27:33
  Speaker 2: love that part of it. But the more I did it,
• 27:35
  Speaker 2: then all of a sudden I started hearing it. And
• 27:37
  Speaker 2: I started hearing stuff that the recorders didn't pick up
• 27:39
  Speaker 2: or no one else heard.
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: So, yeah.
• 27:44
  Speaker 4: How do you, how would you differentiate between a sound
• 27:50
  Speaker 4: that exists in your physical environment, something you can pick
• 27:53
  Speaker 4: up on EVP, and clear audience?
• 27:57
  Speaker 2: Oh, interesting. Okay. Clear audience, to me, is the deeper,
• 28:08
  Speaker 2: more subtle part of it. I feel like a lot
• 28:14
  Speaker 2: of people capture weird stuff in photos and videos because
• 28:18
  Speaker 2: that camera is seeing a little bit deeper into the
• 28:22
  Speaker 2: spectrum of light than our eyes can see. it's picking
• 28:25
  Speaker 2: up stuff that we physically can't pick up. You know,
• 28:28
  Speaker 2: and there's people that have, you know, there's people that
• 28:29
  Speaker 2: have great vision, terrible vision. You can't see two feet
• 28:32
  Speaker 2: in front of their face and everything in between. And
• 28:34
  Speaker 2: I think certain people have these gifts and are better
• 28:39
  Speaker 2: at certain things. I seem to always been really adept
• 28:42
  Speaker 2: at picking up audio. Uh, in the last like five
• 28:46
  Speaker 2: to 10 years, I started really seeing more and sensing more, but,
• 28:50
  Speaker 2: but I feel like, but I don't know, but it's, but,
• 28:54
  Speaker 2: Sometimes you think you have it figured out, and then
• 28:59
  Speaker 2: it just flips the script on you. This place, Greystone,
• 29:01
  Speaker 2: is like a flip-scripper. Flip-scrip-flipper?
• 29:06
  Speaker 4: Yeah, because this is the thing that makes paranormal investigation
• 29:11
  Speaker 4: particularly difficult. Because I would love to start my own
• 29:15
  Speaker 4: paranormal investigation kind of thing. On top of all the
• 29:18
  Speaker 4: shit that I can already not handle doing... This is
• 29:22
  Speaker 4: what it's like to be ADHD. But one of the
• 29:24
  Speaker 4: things that bothers me is there are humans with extrasensory...
• 29:29
  Speaker 4: We do a lot of psychic training over my school,
• 29:32
  Speaker 4: and you can learn to tune into vibration, to spirit, essentially.
• 29:38
  Speaker 4: One of the things we really focus on, there are
• 29:41
  Speaker 4: cameras that can see things that we can't see. There
• 29:44
  Speaker 4: are microphones that can hear things we can't hear. Then
• 29:47
  Speaker 4: we have the sense to pick up psychic things that
• 29:49
  Speaker 4: no equipment can hear. So you have every actor or
• 29:53
  Speaker 4: device that's active in the scene is picking up different
• 29:57
  Speaker 4: stuff that the other things can't and so you don't
• 30:00
  Speaker 4: get a lot of congruency between or i mean i
• 30:03
  Speaker 4: would assume or i don't know right.
• 30:07
  Speaker 2: Yeah i hear what you're saying it's rare it's very
• 30:09
  Speaker 2: rare because like you said yeah you have you know
• 30:11
  Speaker 2: like we try to have when we put out equipment
• 30:14
  Speaker 2: we don't have like crazy tons of equipment and 100
• 30:17
  Speaker 2: cameras everywhere and all stuff it's just too much.
• 30:19
  Speaker 4: Yeah well what do you what is the equipment you guys.
• 30:22
  Speaker 2: Use We have a whole bunch of basic, like we
• 30:25
  Speaker 2: have a handful of static detectors our friend Bob made
• 30:28
  Speaker 2: for us. It's just a little dome. It's a very
• 30:31
  Speaker 2: sensitive static device. We seem to get a lot of
• 30:35
  Speaker 2: hits on that that don't make sense. And it's a really,
• 30:38
  Speaker 2: really subtle device. And we have EMF meters. I have
• 30:42
  Speaker 2: an EDI plus meter. I'm trying to just measure differences
• 30:47
  Speaker 2: that take place in the environment, differences in temperature, humidity, EMF.
• 30:53
  Speaker 2: you know, as many different variables as you can. Well,
• 30:56
  Speaker 2: motion sensors and stuff, you know, like if you, you know,
• 30:59
  Speaker 2: when you used to walk into a store back in
• 31:01
  Speaker 2: the day, you'd walk past, you'd think, you would just
• 31:04
  Speaker 2: walk in and hear like ding dong, you know, but
• 31:07
  Speaker 2: you're walking past like a passive infrared, you know, motion
• 31:10
  Speaker 2: sensor that just, as soon as something passes in front
• 31:13
  Speaker 2: of it, that's like hotter than the surrounding area, it
• 31:17
  Speaker 2: activates and it sets off that bell. So when you
• 31:18
  Speaker 2: walk in the store, it dings. Well, you can take
• 31:21
  Speaker 2: those and use it as a piece of paranormal equipment,
• 31:23
  Speaker 2: stick it in a room where you know no one's at.
• 31:25
  Speaker 2: It's not pointed at a window. There's no animals there.
• 31:29
  Speaker 2: There shouldn't be anything in there that's setting it off.
• 31:32
  Speaker 2: But then you'll get hits on it. It'll just go off.
• 31:35
  Speaker 2: And then you'll go over to that area, turn on
• 31:37
  Speaker 2: a recorder, start asking questions. Or ideally, you already have
• 31:41
  Speaker 2: a recorder there running already. And you will typically hear
• 31:45
  Speaker 2: things in the room when the device goes off. And
• 31:47
  Speaker 2: then you see, you know, and you try to, It's rare,
• 31:50
  Speaker 2: like I said, but sometimes you will get, like, this
• 31:52
  Speaker 2: piece of equipment goes off, and then this piece of
• 31:55
  Speaker 2: equipment goes off, like, moving towards you, and then you
• 31:58
  Speaker 2: hear a voice. And I've caught it a couple times.
• 32:01
  Speaker 2: You hear an EVP, and you'll hear the same exact EVP,
• 32:04
  Speaker 2: the same words repeated louder, as if it's moving towards you. So, like,
• 32:08
  Speaker 2: you can... It's hard, and it's rare, man, because you
• 32:11
  Speaker 2: put out a piece of equipment, and sometimes none of
• 32:13
  Speaker 2: that shit goes off, and you're just frustrated. You're just
• 32:16
  Speaker 2: sitting around talking about, like, food and shit and eating
• 32:18
  Speaker 2: pizza after you're done. And then, lo and behold, like,
• 32:21
  Speaker 2: you're catching voices in the background. So, like, you get
• 32:24
  Speaker 2: the whole gambit of activity. And you can even have
• 32:28
  Speaker 2: a room full of, like, four of the exact same recorder,
• 32:31
  Speaker 2: perfect batteries, sitting in the same room running, and you'll
• 32:34
  Speaker 2: get an EVP on two of them, and two of
• 32:36
  Speaker 2: them won't.
• 32:36
  Speaker 1: Hear it at all. Yeah, I wonder when that shit happens.
• 32:40
  Speaker 1: Have you ever noticed, like, when that shit happens, with
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: that ecstatic electricity? You said you do something, which I
• 32:46
  Speaker 1: was rather impressed with. You said you do something to
• 32:48
  Speaker 1: check static electricity?
• 32:51
  Speaker 2: Yeah, we have, our friend Bob makes, he's Vortex Ghost Gear.
• 32:56
  Speaker 2: If you want to check him out online, it's got
• 32:57
  Speaker 2: good stuff. It's good quality stuff. You can drop it
• 33:00
  Speaker 2: over and over again. It'll keep working. If there's any
• 33:03
  Speaker 2: problems with it, you reach out to him. He'll fix it.
• 33:05
  Speaker 2: The guy's the real deal.
• 33:07
  Speaker 1: There's a kid that I know that I met at
• 33:09
  Speaker 1: an event. He's been on the show once. He's going
• 33:11
  Speaker 1: to come back on again. He fucks with static electricity
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: a lot. He's I can't even comprehend the shit he's doing.
• 33:19
  Speaker 1: He's trying to create a free energy machine, and I
• 33:21
  Speaker 1: think he sees his ideas doing it, I think.
• 33:23
  Speaker 4: Is he trying to get himself shot?
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: He's being very public and open about it, so maybe.
• 33:31
  Speaker 1: With static electricity. I should take a policy out on him.
• 33:36
  Speaker 2: He's going to commit suicide by shooting himself in the
• 33:37
  Speaker 2: back of the head 12 times.
• 33:39
  Speaker 1: Yeah, 12 times.
• 33:40
  Speaker 2: Sending himself on fire.
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah.
• 33:42
  Speaker 4: I'm not going to be rude to you, and I
• 33:43
  Speaker 4: hope your friend does, but everyone who drives this... Yeah.
• 33:48
  Speaker 1: Oh, I know.
• 33:49
  Speaker 4: Or at least everyone who's successful with it.
• 33:51
  Speaker 1: Yep, yep.
• 33:52
  Speaker 5: But you said this location flipped the script. How so?
• 33:57
  Speaker 2: Okay, so I will actually go back. I'll share my screen.
• 34:02
  Speaker 2: We'll go back to the.
• 34:05
  Speaker 1: Oh, I was going to say, whenever you notice the
• 34:06
  Speaker 1: batteries die, have you ever seen something else spike? Why
• 34:09
  Speaker 1: that's happening? Like maybe the electricity thing happens to spike
• 34:13
  Speaker 1: up or the EMF. Yes.
• 34:17
  Speaker 2: Yes, for sure.
• 34:18
  Speaker 1: Like maybe the energy is actually being absorbed to do
• 34:21
  Speaker 1: whatever is going on.
• 34:23
  Speaker 2: One of the things that happened to me at Greystone
• 34:25
  Speaker 2: with one of my pieces of equipment, actually, is I
• 34:28
  Speaker 2: have what is called a Melmeter, which is a pretty
• 34:33
  Speaker 2: excellent piece of equipment that measures EMF and ambient temperature
• 34:37
  Speaker 2: around the device. And you can get other things added
• 34:42
  Speaker 2: to it, which I did. I sent it back to him.
• 34:43
  Speaker 2: I had it recalibrated. And I had them add a
• 34:46
  Speaker 2: shadow detector to it and also a REM pod function
• 34:51
  Speaker 2: that's in it. So you have this little box, you
• 34:55
  Speaker 2: pull the antenna out, you can turn on either a
• 34:57
  Speaker 2: shadow detector, you can turn on also the EMF and
• 34:59
  Speaker 2: temperature at the same time. But the REM pod function
• 35:04
  Speaker 2: was what I had on at Greystone. We were sitting
• 35:06
  Speaker 2: in the living room and this was like the towards
• 35:15
  Speaker 2: the end of the second time that we were there.
• 35:18
  Speaker 2: We were there with other people initially. They left and
• 35:21
  Speaker 2: we stayed for a few days after that. And we're
• 35:24
  Speaker 2: sitting in the living room and Heather kind of finishes
• 35:27
  Speaker 2: cleaning up from the weekend and doing all this work
• 35:30
  Speaker 2: she's got to do for the B & B. Comes
• 35:32
  Speaker 2: and sits with us. She pulls out like a music box,
• 35:35
  Speaker 2: a couple motion sensors and stuff. She's like, oh, you know,
• 35:37
  Speaker 2: mind if I investigate you guys? No, of course not.
• 35:41
  Speaker 2: I kid you not, as soon as she came in
• 35:43
  Speaker 2: and sat down, We started having, I mean, the most
• 35:47
  Speaker 2: direct communication with the devices that I've ever seen in
• 35:52
  Speaker 2: my life. And you have to keep in mind that
• 35:55
  Speaker 2: Heather is a medium. Beth that was sitting right across
• 35:58
  Speaker 2: from her is a medium. I'm also sensitive, not to
• 36:01
  Speaker 2: the caliber of these ladies by any stretch, but, you know,
• 36:05
  Speaker 2: and we're all there and we're trying to communicate. We
• 36:06
  Speaker 2: have equipment everywhere. And I had my REM pod function
• 36:16
  Speaker 2: on my, on my Mel meter on, and we're getting
• 36:19
  Speaker 2: interaction back and forth. And it suddenly starts making a
• 36:21
  Speaker 2: noise that I've never heard it make. It isn't, it
• 36:24
  Speaker 2: isn't supposed to make this noise. And I start smelling
• 36:31
  Speaker 2: smoke and I, my device basically like got fried and
• 36:42
  Speaker 2: there were good batteries in it. It, it, It was
• 36:44
  Speaker 2: recently serviced. I mean, I can't understand what the heck happened.
• 36:51
  Speaker 2: I'm going to start pulling up some pictures of the
• 36:53
  Speaker 2: place here. There's the house. There's a lot more landscaping now.
• 37:01
  Speaker 2: These are early photos. It's kind of bare looking here,
• 37:04
  Speaker 2: but you get the idea.
• 37:06
  Speaker 1: Is that close to Canada?
• 37:13
  Speaker 6: Yes.
• 37:15
  Speaker 2: It is, yeah. Heather is Canadian, so she has a
• 37:18
  Speaker 2: lot of family in Canada.
• 37:19
  Speaker 1: Gotcha.
• 37:20
  Speaker 2: So you can see into the yard here, and you
• 37:22
  Speaker 2: see this, like, this is a fruit tree back here.
• 37:25
  Speaker 2: Or no, it's this tree back here.
• 37:27
  Speaker 1: Oh, nice.
• 37:28
  Speaker 2: There's better images of it, but they have a hot
• 37:30
  Speaker 2: tub back here.
• 37:31
  Speaker 1: Oh, shit.
• 37:32
  Speaker 2: One of the reports is they will actually see figures
• 37:36
  Speaker 2: pop out from this tree line over here, and they
• 37:39
  Speaker 2: start walking across. And at first they thought they were deer.
• 37:43
  Speaker 2: But the closer they watched, they realized that they were, like,
• 37:46
  Speaker 2: giant people. She said they were, like, huge. Like, if
• 37:51
  Speaker 2: you had seen something like this really quick in the
• 37:54
  Speaker 2: woods and it was really thick woods, she said you'd
• 37:56
  Speaker 2: probably say it was, like, Sasquatch. It was, like, huge.
• 37:59
  Speaker 3: Wow.
• 38:00
  Speaker 2: But a human, you know, a human-like form.
• 38:03
  Speaker 4: That'd be such a fucking cool double whammy to, like,
• 38:05
  Speaker 4: investigate the ghost of Sasquatch.
• 38:08
  Speaker 1: Oh, shit.
• 38:10
  Speaker 2: Some people theorize that that's what it is, and that's
• 38:11
  Speaker 2: why you can never find physical evidence of it.
• 38:13
  Speaker 1: Oh, my God. It's just a ghost. Oh, that's a
• 38:16
  Speaker 1: mindfuck in itself now. Yeah.
• 38:19
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so, like, you see all these big old trees
• 38:21
  Speaker 2: back here, and they actually... There's one of the old
• 38:24
  Speaker 2: original buildings. It was, like, either a forge or stables
• 38:28
  Speaker 2: for the... I think this was stables, actually, for the old...
• 38:30
  Speaker 2: There used to be a racetrack over here. Used to
• 38:34
  Speaker 2: race horses. I mean, you can see the grounds.
• 38:39
  Speaker 2: Back there, just these rolling hills. This back here is a,
• 38:42
  Speaker 2: you see this elevated portion over here? Is where I
• 38:46
  Speaker 2: believe where the burial mound actually was. It was a
• 38:50
  Speaker 2: circular burial mound.
• 38:53
  Speaker 4: It was back there.
• 38:55
  Speaker 5: Circular?
• 38:55
  Speaker 4: That's interesting.
• 38:56
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 38:57
  Speaker 4: Is there a number of, if you believe, and I do,
• 39:03
  Speaker 4: because I think that there's enough evidence that the Smithsonian
• 39:07
  Speaker 4: has covered this up, but A great number of seven
• 39:11
  Speaker 4: to nine foot skeletons have been found in America in
• 39:16
  Speaker 4: those burial mounds. I forget what state it was in
• 39:19
  Speaker 4: particular where there was a lot of them, but that's
• 39:22
  Speaker 4: very interesting.
• 39:23
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 39:24
  Speaker 2: You can see a good shot of it here. There's
• 39:25
  Speaker 2: like a little camping area here. You sit around a campfire.
• 39:28
  Speaker 2: You can see this tree. right here it's kind of
• 39:31
  Speaker 2: on the edge of this clearing and back down here
• 39:33
  Speaker 2: is where the creek runs along and they have very
• 39:37
  Speaker 2: often seen figures running back and forth over here and
• 39:39
  Speaker 2: they've seen they'll see lights different colored lights bobbing around
• 39:42
  Speaker 2: like giant orbs like big ones like basketball size or bigger.
• 39:46
  Speaker 1: You just answered somebody's question in the chat with that
• 39:49
  Speaker 1: one statement right there.
• 39:54
  Speaker 2: Thank you. Going back to how this place affected my equipment,
• 39:57
  Speaker 2: let me tell you a story. So I had, at
• 40:01
  Speaker 2: the time, I use Zoom recorders now, but at the
• 40:03
  Speaker 2: time I used Tascam. And we investigated until probably almost
• 40:10
  Speaker 2: 3 o'clock in the morning.
• 40:11
  Speaker 1: There's just some.
• 40:12
  Speaker 2: Random pictures of landscaping and flowers. We'll get to the
• 40:14
  Speaker 2: good stuff here shortly. Um, we got done investigating at
• 40:20
  Speaker 2: the end of the night and I put the recorder
• 40:23
  Speaker 2: on the dresser and I turned it off. First of all,
• 40:28
  Speaker 2: I stopped recording. You know, I tagged the time at
• 40:31
  Speaker 2: the end of the session, turned off the recorder and
• 40:34
  Speaker 2: I put it on the dresser and a great story
• 40:39
  Speaker 2: around the fricking stairwell.
• 40:40
  Speaker 1: Jesus.
• 40:41
  Speaker 2: Um, and then we go to sleep, right? And I
• 40:46
  Speaker 2: wake up the next morning and investigating with us was Beth's,
• 40:51
  Speaker 2: a mentor, Marty, her friend, Marsha and our friends, Terrence
• 40:56
  Speaker 2: and Brandy. And it was Beth and myself in, in
• 40:58
  Speaker 2: the place. The, the next day, here's one of the
• 41:05
  Speaker 2: rooms you can rent. Yeah, that's, that's, that's a good room. Um,
• 41:16
  Speaker 2: So we go to sleep, right? And the next morning,
• 41:18
  Speaker 2: everybody wakes up, and they're down in the living room,
• 41:21
  Speaker 2: and they're all having coffee and just chit-chatting about what
• 41:23
  Speaker 2: happened the previous evening and stuff and sharing notes. And
• 41:29
  Speaker 2: I get up. I go to the bathroom. I get
• 41:32
  Speaker 2: cleaned up, and I realize, wait a minute. My recorder
• 41:34
  Speaker 2: is on. And so I go to Beth, and it
• 41:37
  Speaker 2: was in this room. There's the dresser. My recorder was
• 41:39
  Speaker 2: sitting right there. And I asked Beth when I came down,
• 41:44
  Speaker 2: with the recorder still on, and the battery was almost dead,
• 41:48
  Speaker 2: and I see it's recording, and I see the timer's
• 41:50
  Speaker 2: like two hours and 47 minutes. And I'm like, why
• 41:54
  Speaker 2: did you turn the recorder back on? She's like, I
• 41:55
  Speaker 2: didn't turn the recorder on. What are you talking about?
• 41:57
  Speaker 2: We went to sleep. Just get rid of the last
• 41:59
  Speaker 2: one that touched it. I'm like, that's what I thought. So, yeah,
• 42:06
  Speaker 2: we were in this room right here. You can see
• 42:07
  Speaker 2: this nice thick carpet. There's like heavy padding under here.
• 42:11
  Speaker 2: It's extremely, although the floor will creak here and there,
• 42:14
  Speaker 2: it's extremely difficult to really make loud footfalls on this floor,
• 42:19
  Speaker 2: if that makes sense. It's thick carpet with very, very
• 42:22
  Speaker 2: thick padding underneath of it. It's beautiful. That's going to
• 42:26
  Speaker 2: come into play later. At one point we heard this
• 42:31
  Speaker 2: door jiggling. So that next morning I take my recorder
• 42:38
  Speaker 2: downstairs and I'm like, hey, My recorder turned itself on.
• 42:42
  Speaker 2: So they're like, hey, let's get the speaker. Let's listen
• 42:45
  Speaker 2: to it.
• 42:45
  Speaker 1: What's going on?
• 42:46
  Speaker 2: So then I turn it off. I stop recording. Get
• 42:48
  Speaker 2: my speaker. I plug it in. And then I realize
• 42:50
  Speaker 2: there's four recordings after we went to sleep. I found
• 42:55
  Speaker 2: the last one that I tagged after we went to sleep.
• 42:59
  Speaker 2: I found it, and there were four recordings after that. Now,
• 43:06
  Speaker 2: It's interesting to note that in order to turn the
• 43:08
  Speaker 2: recorder on, you have to hold and like press and
• 43:10
  Speaker 2: hold the power button, right? For a couple of seconds
• 43:14
  Speaker 2: for it to turn on. And then in order to
• 43:17
  Speaker 2: actually record something, you need to hit the record button twice.
• 43:20
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 43:23
  Speaker 2: So the recorder, shortly after we went to sleep, turned
• 43:26
  Speaker 2: itself on, started recording. And here's the thing about those recorders,
• 43:33
  Speaker 2: and anybody that investigates will know this. With an extremely
• 43:36
  Speaker 2: sensitive recorder like this one was, with the gain jacked up,
• 43:40
  Speaker 2: you can't approach that thing, pick it up, touch it,
• 43:44
  Speaker 2: without making loads of freaking noise on there. It's way
• 43:50
  Speaker 2: louder than that, but it's a mess. This recorder started
• 43:54
  Speaker 2: recording with no footsteps walking up to it, without anyone
• 43:58
  Speaker 2: picking it up, without hearing anybody putting it down. without
• 44:02
  Speaker 2: hearing any sounds around the recorder at all. It just
• 44:04
  Speaker 2: starts recording. And you can already hear me snoring in
• 44:07
  Speaker 2: the background. And listen, I have to tell you, this
• 44:13
  Speaker 2: room is super creepy. I had to listen to myself.
• 44:20
  Speaker 2: So there's like four recordings on there for a total
• 44:22
  Speaker 2: of like six, seven hours of recording that I had
• 44:25
  Speaker 2: to sit there and listen to. And 98% of it
• 44:27
  Speaker 2: was just me snoring. Torture.
• 44:31
  Speaker 3: But....
• 44:33
  Speaker 2: What I was able to ascertain was that the recorder
• 44:35
  Speaker 2: not only turned itself on, but then three times during
• 44:38
  Speaker 2: the night it paused for a short time, not sure
• 44:41
  Speaker 2: how long, and then started recording again. And at no
• 44:44
  Speaker 2: point do you hear anybody approach, walk up, pick up
• 44:47
  Speaker 2: the thing. You don't hear any movement in the room
• 44:49
  Speaker 2: at all. That is something that has never happened to
• 44:55
  Speaker 2: me before or since. So we're sitting in the, in
• 45:02
  Speaker 2: the room where I told you before, when my REM
• 45:04
  Speaker 2: pod like literally fried right in front of me, I'm,
• 45:08
  Speaker 2: I'm sitting in the chair roughly with this view right here.
• 45:11
  Speaker 2: Heather's like over here. Beth is like over here on
• 45:14
  Speaker 2: the couch. I'm sitting in the chair. It's over here
• 45:16
  Speaker 2: and I'm roughly facing them half facing the stairwell. It's
• 45:25
  Speaker 2: one of those things where something's happening in front of
• 45:27
  Speaker 2: you and you don't, You don't realize it, and then
• 45:30
  Speaker 2: suddenly when you notice it, it notices you notice. So
• 45:36
  Speaker 2: I look over at this stairwell, and roughly from here
• 45:40
  Speaker 2: up to the top, and it continues to wind up.
• 45:42
  Speaker 2: You can see quite a ways from here. It's completely black.
• 45:49
  Speaker 2: But there's lights on in the room, so I can
• 45:50
  Speaker 2: see this wall's lit up. You can see the light
• 45:54
  Speaker 2: hitting the stairs. You can see all the light hitting
• 45:56
  Speaker 2: up here. It hit a point where it just stopped.
• 45:59
  Speaker 2: and everything above it was pitch black.
• 46:03
  Speaker 1: And I.
• 46:05
  Speaker 2: It took me a minute, but then I finally noticed, like,
• 46:06
  Speaker 2: wait a minute. Why can't I see any light up there?
• 46:09
  Speaker 2: And there was even a light up in the hallway
• 46:12
  Speaker 2: that you couldn't... You could normally see it here. It
• 46:14
  Speaker 2: would be shining down the stairs. You could see nothing.
• 46:18
  Speaker 2: No light at all. And I'm just standing here staring
• 46:20
  Speaker 2: at it, and I felt it notice me, if that
• 46:23
  Speaker 2: makes sense. It was just this giant shape. It was rectangular.
• 46:26
  Speaker 2: I mean, it filled up the whole stairwell. I can't
• 46:28
  Speaker 2: really even tell what shape it was, because it It
• 46:30
  Speaker 2: was just an area of darkness that was just filled
• 46:32
  Speaker 2: up the whole place. From this point up, it was black.
• 46:37
  Speaker 2: And when I noticed it, it noticed I noticed it.
• 46:41
  Speaker 2: And then it shot up the stairs so fast without
• 46:45
  Speaker 2: making a sound. It just shot up. You could see
• 46:47
  Speaker 2: it go up, but as fast as your eyes can
• 46:51
  Speaker 2: perceive that thing moving. It was gone. Then I could
• 46:54
  Speaker 2: see all the light. I could see the light in
• 46:55
  Speaker 2: the hallway. It was... insane and but the thing is
• 47:05
  Speaker 2: crazy is that we were there before and although we
• 47:12
  Speaker 2: experienced a lot of crazy stuff the second time we
• 47:15
  Speaker 2: went back we did spend quite a bit of time
• 47:19
  Speaker 2: there with nothing happening with nothing happening it was when
• 47:25
  Speaker 2: Heather joined us that's when all hell broke loose but
• 47:28
  Speaker 2: here's some other stuff So while we were in the backyard,
• 47:35
  Speaker 2: and we're looking at this area that is, you know,
• 47:37
  Speaker 2: allegedly this burial ground, or at least a settlement. I
• 47:41
  Speaker 2: thought it was a settlement. As soon as I saw it,
• 47:42
  Speaker 2: I'm like, that's a perfect place for a village right there.
• 47:45
  Speaker 2: It looks perfect, right? But I'm sure there are burials
• 47:47
  Speaker 2: all over the place. I mean, while digging the canal,
• 47:50
  Speaker 2: they found bodies everywhere. Some of them weren't even native.
• 47:54
  Speaker 2: Some speculate they were Viking. But loads of graves all
• 47:58
  Speaker 2: over the place. So we decided to do an experiment
• 48:04
  Speaker 2: and Terrence has a pair of infrared binoculars, right? It's
• 48:09
  Speaker 2: a really cool piece of kit. And Beth and I
• 48:12
  Speaker 2: volunteer like, okay, we'll take a recorder, maybe an EF meter,
• 48:15
  Speaker 2: nothing crazy. We'll go down on, we're going to stand
• 48:18
  Speaker 2: out on that, on that rise on that hilltop over
• 48:21
  Speaker 2: there in the field. You guys just stay back here
• 48:24
  Speaker 2: in the yard and just watch us. And they had
• 48:26
  Speaker 2: a campfire going and stuff. And allegedly activity kicks up
• 48:29
  Speaker 2: when you have a campfire seems to be true. So
• 48:34
  Speaker 2: the two of us go out onto the field, and
• 48:37
  Speaker 2: we're standing there, and hand to God, I could hear
• 48:40
  Speaker 2: running all around us. And I thought at first, like,
• 48:43
  Speaker 2: that's got to be animals, because it was so loud
• 48:46
  Speaker 2: and clear. So we radioed Terrence, like, hey, man, do
• 48:49
  Speaker 2: you see anything around us? We're hearing weird stuff running
• 48:51
  Speaker 2: around us.
• 48:52
  Speaker 6: He's looking.
• 48:52
  Speaker 2: He's like, no, I don't see anything. So then suddenly,
• 48:58
  Speaker 2: there's that moment. There's a word for it. I forget
• 49:00
  Speaker 2: what it is offhand. But there's a point where if
• 49:02
  Speaker 2: you're in the woods and all of a sudden all
• 49:03
  Speaker 2: the insects stops, all the wind stops, everything seems to stop.
• 49:09
  Speaker 4: This happened to us.
• 49:11
  Speaker 2: In Gettysburg several times. It's eerie. And so that happens.
• 49:17
  Speaker 2: And then we start looking at each other like, oof,
• 49:20
  Speaker 2: this is starting to feel weird. Like, there's something here.
• 49:22
  Speaker 2: It's like, it's checking us out. Like, you know what
• 49:25
  Speaker 2: I mean? There's something around us. You could feel it.
• 49:30
  Speaker 2: And then Terrence radios us, and he's like, hey, yeah,
• 49:33
  Speaker 2: there's something running around.
• 49:36
  Speaker 1: I don't know what it is.
• 49:37
  Speaker 2: I can't tell what it is, but there's something... I
• 49:39
  Speaker 2: can see some kind of weird light anomalies. It's moving
• 49:42
  Speaker 2: around you guys. So we're like, okay. We do that
• 49:48
  Speaker 2: experiment for a little bit. We do some EVP work.
• 49:51
  Speaker 2: We don't catch any voices. We hear little footsteps, little
• 49:53
  Speaker 2: crunching here and there. Nothing real substantial. So we come
• 49:57
  Speaker 2: back to the yard. And we're standing in the backyard.
• 50:01
  Speaker 2: And we're still kind of paying attention to that backyard.
• 50:02
  Speaker 2: So we're trying to catch... We're trying to witness these footprints.
• 50:06
  Speaker 2: forms that they see pop out and go across this field, right?
• 50:08
  Speaker 2: And we were just hearing and feeling weird stuff. So
• 50:10
  Speaker 2: we're like, there's something there. But we want to see it.
• 50:13
  Speaker 2: So all of us go back to the yard. We're
• 50:15
  Speaker 2: sitting there. Everybody's in front of me. I'm all the
• 50:19
  Speaker 2: way in the back. I'm standing in the yard. I'm
• 50:21
  Speaker 2: standing like this. I have a recorder on. I have
• 50:25
  Speaker 2: a couple pieces of equipment around. But I don't have
• 50:27
  Speaker 2: anything in my hands and I'm standing like this. Suddenly
• 50:32
  Speaker 2: from behind me, seemingly from about I don't know, maybe
• 50:38
  Speaker 2: six to eight feet above my head and maybe, I
• 50:42
  Speaker 2: don't know, 10 feet behind me, really close, massive flash
• 50:48
  Speaker 2: of light lights up the whole place. Like you're standing
• 50:53
  Speaker 2: outside at night and a lighting bolt hits like a
• 50:56
  Speaker 2: half mile away. It's like daylight boom for like a second.
• 51:01
  Speaker 2: And I'm looking around like, what the fuck is that?
• 51:05
  Speaker 2: Everybody standing in front of me, they all think I
• 51:07
  Speaker 2: just took a picture. And they turn around looking at
• 51:11
  Speaker 2: me like, giving me the look like, why didn't you
• 51:14
  Speaker 2: say flash before you took that picture? You're destroying our
• 51:16
  Speaker 2: fucking night vision. So they all turn around and look
• 51:19
  Speaker 2: at me and give me that look. And meanwhile, I'm
• 51:21
  Speaker 2: like this. I'm like, my phone's in my pocket.
• 51:22
  Speaker 1: I don't have a.
• 51:23
  Speaker 2: Camera on me. I could see all of our shadows
• 51:27
  Speaker 2: laid out across the yard. Shadows from the trees. Shadows
• 51:30
  Speaker 2: from the campfire. Shadows of all the objects. The chair's
• 51:35
  Speaker 2: massive shadow blasted out on the ground in front of me.
• 51:39
  Speaker 2: For a split second. No sound, but it lit up
• 51:42
  Speaker 2: fucking everything, dude. And everyone looks at me and I'm like,
• 51:46
  Speaker 2: I don't... Then they realize I don't have a camera,
• 51:49
  Speaker 2: and I don't have a light source. I can't, to
• 51:53
  Speaker 2: this day, even begin to speculate what the hell that was.
• 51:57
  Speaker 1: Oh, I can.
• 51:57
  Speaker 2: I want to hear it, please.
• 52:02
  Speaker 4: If, um... Think about this. So if.
• 52:07
  Speaker 4: Hang on, let me... I need this paper to demonstrate this.
• 52:11
  Speaker 1: Are you sure?
• 52:13
  Speaker 2: Oh, sure.
• 52:14
  Speaker 4: If I have it. Okay, I don't have this. All
• 52:16
  Speaker 4: my paper has been used. Imagine a two-dimensional plane. Now,
• 52:23
  Speaker 4: if you... There's a way of imagining this. Draw a
• 52:28
  Speaker 4: stick figure on a two-dimensional plane. People do this with ants,
• 52:32
  Speaker 4: which I think is kind of cruel, but whatever. If
• 52:33
  Speaker 4: you draw a circle around your stick figure guy, he's trapped.
• 52:39
  Speaker 4: He can't move because he can only move in two dimensions.
• 52:41
  Speaker 4: He can't move in the third dimension. He can't step
• 52:43
  Speaker 4: over the circle. Make sense? Now, imagine you as a
• 52:48
  Speaker 4: three-dimensional being reach your hand in through the paper. The
• 52:52
  Speaker 4: two-dimensional being will only see a two-dimensional slice of your
• 52:56
  Speaker 4: three-dimensional hand. Follow?
• 52:59
  Speaker 1: Gotcha.
• 52:59
  Speaker 4: Okay. If a fourth-dimensional entity were to reach into the
• 53:03
  Speaker 4: third dimension, which is what I think is going on
• 53:06
  Speaker 4: most of the time with paramortal investigations, you are most
• 53:09
  Speaker 4: likely to see a bright light in the form of
• 53:11
  Speaker 4: a three-dimensional orb. Which is why everyone's seeing fucking orbs
• 53:14
  Speaker 4: and bright lights. Because that's what we would see. We
• 53:17
  Speaker 4: wouldn't see... I mean, sometimes we see.
• 53:22
  Speaker 1: Adults, right? Um.
• 53:25
  Speaker 4: And I put it in quotations because I think most
• 53:26
  Speaker 4: of the time when you see that, like you are
• 53:28
  Speaker 4: seeing it, but you're not seeing it seeing it. Like
• 53:31
  Speaker 4: I lived in a haunted place where I knew exactly
• 53:33
  Speaker 4: what was there. I could see it, but I wasn't
• 53:35
  Speaker 4: seeing it with my eyes. When you can physically see
• 53:38
  Speaker 4: these things with your eyes, they most often appear as
• 53:40
  Speaker 4: lights and orbs. Because that's all we would see of
• 53:44
  Speaker 4: a fourth dimensional entity trying to reach into the third dimension.
• 53:48
  Speaker 1: Hmm. You know who kind of explains something very close
• 53:51
  Speaker 1: to that? Carl Sagan I heard do something one time
• 53:55
  Speaker 1: trying to explain an apple, I think using a slice
• 53:57
  Speaker 1: of an apple. Very close to what you're saying, so
• 54:01
  Speaker 1: I get what you're saying.
• 54:03
  Speaker 4: We would see something that because we can't comprehend a
• 54:07
  Speaker 4: fourth dimensional entity, we would see a three dimensional representation
• 54:10
  Speaker 4: of it. It would just be a bright light and
• 54:13
  Speaker 4: a ball.
• 54:15
  Speaker 1: Interesting.
• 54:16
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that makes a lot of sense. I'm someone that's
• 54:20
  Speaker 2: seen I don't think I've ever captured an orb in
• 54:25
  Speaker 2: a camera or on a video or anything like that
• 54:27
  Speaker 2: but I've seen an orb light up a whole room
• 54:29
  Speaker 2: that was completely dark and several times and it was
• 54:35
  Speaker 2: a time in my life when there was like lots
• 54:37
  Speaker 2: of trauma and a lot of turmoil and like the
• 54:40
  Speaker 2: emotional gauge was like up here and I think that
• 54:44
  Speaker 2: had a lot to do with it I chalked it
• 54:46
  Speaker 2: up as like just a, just like a manifestation of
• 54:48
  Speaker 2: just all the aggression and the anger and like all
• 54:51
  Speaker 2: the crap that was in the air in that place.
• 54:54
  Speaker 2: Probably if, if not the cause of it was, you know,
• 54:56
  Speaker 2: it definitely fed into it and caused it to, to,
• 54:59
  Speaker 2: to manifest stronger. But this amount of light was like,
• 55:03
  Speaker 2: it was like an arc welder right behind your head.
• 55:05
  Speaker 2: It was like, without making a sound, that's the crazy,
• 55:10
  Speaker 2: if I had heard a crack or like, Or a bang.
• 55:14
  Speaker 2: You know what I mean? It would have made more sense.
• 55:16
  Speaker 2: I would have ducked and probably dove on the ground.
• 55:18
  Speaker 2: But it would make more sense.
• 55:19
  Speaker 1: You know what I mean?
• 55:20
  Speaker 2: With a light that bright that is silent as hell.
• 55:24
  Speaker 2: It was quieter than quiet. Because like I said, all
• 55:26
  Speaker 2: the birds, insects, frogs, everything was... All the winds just stopped.
• 55:31
  Speaker 2: Everything just stopped and was dead still. And then it
• 55:33
  Speaker 2: was like.
• 55:35
  Speaker 2: And man, it was intense. Because it was so bright.
• 55:38
  Speaker 2: I couldn't believe it.
• 55:40
  Speaker 3: Would you think that's the characteristic of a possible portal?
• 55:47
  Speaker 2: It's like you said, it's like something popping through. Because
• 55:54
  Speaker 2: one second it's not there, then for like a millisecond
• 55:57
  Speaker 2: it's there, it lights up the whole place, and then
• 55:59
  Speaker 2: the next instant it's gone. So that's obviously, yeah, it's
• 56:03
  Speaker 2: something poking through and just appears to us as this light.
• 56:10
  Speaker 2: Maybe that's not even what it is.
• 56:11
  Speaker 1: I don't know.
• 56:12
  Speaker 3: So what about the giants that you're seeing, the giant shadows?
• 56:18
  Speaker 3: Because I'm kind of curious if from the burial grounds,
• 56:24
  Speaker 3: what kind of, if they kept a record of any,
• 56:28
  Speaker 3: if they did at all, retrieval of any of the
• 56:31
  Speaker 3: remains that they found, did they find remains of possible
• 56:35
  Speaker 3: giants there too?
• 56:38
  Speaker 2: Heather was telling us that they did, and there were
• 56:40
  Speaker 2: articles written at the time that they did find bones
• 56:43
  Speaker 2: that were much larger than people.
• 56:45
  Speaker 4: The Smithsonian covered all of that up.
• 56:48
  Speaker 3: That was my next question.
• 56:49
  Speaker 2: You beat me. Yeah, and it's just weird how there's
• 56:53
  Speaker 2: all these stories of these guys finding stuff, reporting on it,
• 56:56
  Speaker 2: reporting it to a scientist, and then suddenly it's like
• 56:58
  Speaker 2: the story dies. You never hear anything about it.
• 57:01
  Speaker 4: It wasn't uncommon at all, right? So I don't remember
• 57:04
  Speaker 4: what years. I think it was in the 1800s when
• 57:06
  Speaker 4: they started finding these things. And, of course, they shipped
• 57:09
  Speaker 4: them off to be verified, and no one ever got
• 57:11
  Speaker 4: anything back. And no one ever got a phone call
• 57:13
  Speaker 4: back and was like, we don't know what you're talking about.
• 57:15
  Speaker 4: There's no giants. Nothing to see here.
• 57:17
  Speaker 1: You know, it's interesting that you brought that up, Judith,
• 57:20
  Speaker 1: and it just made me think of it now. Talking
• 57:23
  Speaker 1: about orbs and then giants, I've had on in the
• 57:26
  Speaker 1: past countless people for Bigfoot. And that was a common
• 57:32
  Speaker 1: thing that I started noticing, that there are always, like,
• 57:35
  Speaker 1: orbs around some Bigfoot sighting or what they thought was Bigfoot.
• 57:40
  Speaker 1: And I'm just even wondering now, like, I always thought,
• 57:43
  Speaker 1: my opinion, I always thought there was something up with
• 57:45
  Speaker 1: the orbs with the people thinking they were coming in
• 57:47
  Speaker 1: contact with something to begin with. So, I don't know.
• 57:51
  Speaker 2: Yeah, there's a lot of stories in Bigfoot with, like,
• 57:53
  Speaker 2: a woman in white being seen in the area, either
• 57:55
  Speaker 2: right before the Bigfoot or right after.
• 57:58
  Speaker 4: Oh, yeah.
• 57:59
  Speaker 2: So is that tied to the light?
• 58:00
  Speaker 1: Is it?
• 58:00
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 58:01
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 58:02
  Speaker 2: Used to say investigation.
• 58:05
  Speaker 3: Did they, did Heather and her husband share any experiences
• 58:07
  Speaker 3: that they personally.
• 58:09
  Speaker 5: Have with you?
• 58:10
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 58:11
  Speaker 2: One of them, one of the more profound things they've
• 58:15
  Speaker 2: reported was these, was these huge figures and these like,
• 58:17
  Speaker 2: you know, they've seen them in the house. They've seen
• 58:19
  Speaker 2: them mainly in the basement. And I think she actually
• 58:21
  Speaker 2: even has a, a live cam at some points, like
• 58:25
  Speaker 2: just running in the basement with the, motion sensor on
• 58:27
  Speaker 2: and you'll see it get activated and it sense motion.
• 58:31
  Speaker 2: Things are fall off shells and stuff like that. That
• 58:34
  Speaker 2: kind of stuff happens all the time. And there's big fig,
• 58:37
  Speaker 2: you know, figures that they see, they see them outside
• 58:38
  Speaker 2: and they see them inside. And when, you know, we
• 58:42
  Speaker 2: were watching the TV show that I talked about at
• 58:44
  Speaker 2: the top of the show, one thing that, that, uh,
• 58:47
  Speaker 2: chip coffee was saying, it was like, this is demonic.
• 58:49
  Speaker 2: It was like some kind of, you know, it was,
• 58:52
  Speaker 2: you know, he was using the D.
• 58:52
  Speaker 1: Word all over the place.
• 58:53
  Speaker 2: And I'm like, okay.
• 58:55
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 58:58
  Speaker 2: When I went there, the first thing that popped in
• 59:01
  Speaker 2: my head when I saw that thing in the stairwell
• 59:03
  Speaker 2: and it saw me and just fired it just rifled
• 59:05
  Speaker 2: up the stairs i was like they're just they're the
• 59:08
  Speaker 2: guardians they're they're they're here just guarding this land they're
• 59:11
  Speaker 2: they're a piece of this land they might be hundreds
• 59:13
  Speaker 2: of millions of years old who the hell knows it
• 59:15
  Speaker 2: might be older than the earth but these things have been.
• 59:17
  Speaker 4: Around grounded perspective i think i think when people start
• 59:20
  Speaker 4: throwing the word demon around it's because they're just admitting
• 59:22
  Speaker 4: that they don't know what the fuck they're talking about
• 59:24
  Speaker 4: honestly yeah If we're talking about demons, not in the
• 59:30
  Speaker 4: sense of something scary, but an actual demon. Do you
• 59:34
  Speaker 4: think that actual demons haunt places? They don't. They're doing
• 59:40
  Speaker 4: much more interesting shit than that. Former humans haunt places.
• 59:45
  Speaker 4: Demonic spirits are not in that echelon. They're archetypal. They're not.
• 59:55
  Speaker 4: Chilling at a graveyard you know what.
• 59:57
  Speaker 1: I mean honestly yeah that's uh if you even like
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 1: just my opinion if you even want to go by
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 1: like what demons supposedly are even in ceremonial magic i
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 1: feel like that shit would just be so below them
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 1: they'd be like what dude oh dude did you.
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 4: Get stoned into one of the podcasts about that yeah
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 4: so at the same time i forgive people for for
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 4: mistaking something demonic with a malevolent entity, there's lots of those.
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 4: There's vampiric entities, there's malevolent entities, there's poltergeists, but those
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 4: are not demons. If you ran into an actual demon
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 4: that was manifesting in a physical form, that would be
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 4: a horror movie scenario that you would not come back from.
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 1: You know what I mean? You wouldn't be the same afterwards,
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 1: I'm sure.
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 4: No, but you could run into a poltergeist for sure,
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 4: or some other kind of malevolent entity. Some kind of malignant...
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 4: thought form, but not a demon.
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 1: That's my opinion.
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 4: I don't know what I'm talking about.
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 2: Totally. I posted on X recently, I think maybe it
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 2: was a quote on something you said, Nick, where I
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 2: was like, basically everything in the universe I'm not familiar with, demon.
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's how it gets treated.
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 4: It's so frustrating.
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 2: I mean, even the word demon is problematic because the
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 2: original meaning of that word didn't even mean that.
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 4: No, at some point there's like a demon and a
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 4: spirit guide.
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 2: Like there's, and I'm not sitting here saying that like,
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I'm not gonna worry about it.
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 4: Whatever.
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 2: No, there's some scary shit out there. There's scary shit
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 2: out there that will fuck you up. I've seen it happen,
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 2: but it's like, is that a demon though? Like, I
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 2: don't know. Like I know lots of people that are awful,
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 2: like a mass shooter, for example, just absolutely just a
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 2: dude could kill like 30, 40, 50, a hundred people.
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 2: You know what I mean? Just snap one day and
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 2: kill a shit ton of people. That's horrible.
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 1: Oh, no, but then they'll blame that on a demon,
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 1: so it's still a demon. You know, that's.
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 4: Just getting in, because I think categorizing this stuff is
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 4: really interesting, right? So, like, to me, like, you know,
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 4: we have various levels, and I'm not going to get
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 4: this 100% right, because this is my own perspective, obviously,
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 4: but I get, you know, there's astral parasites, it's like
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 4: the lowest level, and you have restless dead, formerly dead humans,
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 4: then you move up to like poltergeist and you have
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 4: like malevolent entities. Some of them possibly were formerly human
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 4: and have kind of become something else. And then you
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 4: have like cosmic archetypal level shit. Yeah.
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 2: Yeah, for sure.
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 2: For whatever reason, I just always connected to the places
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 2: we were in the, in the earth, in the area
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 2: and the tribes, especially like, for example, we went to
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 2: the bell air house in Ohio and, Another super intense place.
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 2: I might have to talk about that someday.
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 1: But... But....
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 2: That was super intense. And I'll never forget this.
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 4: The day.
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 2: The very first time we drove up to the.
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 1: To the.
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 2: To the site. We got out of the car. As
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 2: soon as my feet hit the ground... I just was overcome.
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 2: And I turned and looked at Beth. And she's like...
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 2: What is wrong with you? Because we just got there.
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 2: Just stepped out of the car. We were in the
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 2: car for like six and a half hours.
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 1: She's like.
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 2: What's wrong with you? I'm like... Who the fuck is
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 2: buried here? It just... First thing that came out of
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 2: my mouth.
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 4: She goes.
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 2: I don't know. I don't like, and she, cause she's
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 2: a medium. She doesn't like to know any history or
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 2: no details about anything. She wants to go in cold
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 2: and see what she picks up on.
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 2: So she didn't look up anything. She's like, I don't know.
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 2: I don't know who's buried here. This place is located
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 2: right on the Ohio river. And just behind the property
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 2: is like this huge, like really sheer hilltop. And I'm
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 2: looking up at it and I'm just like, Oh, there's
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 2: something about that hill and this ground. Like it's weird.
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 2: But there's crazy burials here. Uh, So then we go
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 2: inside the house, and Kristen, who runs it, really freaking cool. Dog,
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 2: what are you doing, man? Holy shit, sorry.
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 1: Nice.
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 4: There we go. There we go.
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 2: So Kristen starts giving us a history and gives us
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 2: a tour of the house. She's talking to him, and
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 2: she's like, yeah, yeah, this was Shawnee land, and all
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 2: the shamans from the tribe were buried on that hillside.
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 2: They buried him in the hillside. I was like, what?
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 2: Beth and I looked at each other like, holy shit.
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 2: And the activity there was nuts. But like all these places,
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 2: I would just, I would feel, I would see like
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 2: the village. I could see the campfires. I could see
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 2: them like cleaning game and stuff. And so I started after,
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 2: after we went to Greystone, I started as a, as
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 2: a little ritual. I'll bring an offering with me and
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 2: I'll bring a Lenape prayer and I'll say the prayer
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 2: and I give an offering. It usually like ideally into
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 2: a campfire or something like that. And I'll bring, you know,
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 2: tobacco and sage and all that kind of stuff like that. We,
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 2: we actually visited the Seneca while we were up there.
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 2: They're not far from Greystone. They run a gas station
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 2: and a little convenience store. I'm like, I'm going in here.
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 2: I'm going to spend as much money as I can
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 2: possibly get in this place. I bought this huge bag
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 2: of tobacco, all these snacks. I bought ice, all this
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 2: food and drinks and stuff. Filled up the gas. Super
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 2: cool people. With the people still there on some of
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 2: the land, And the burials, some of them are still there.
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 2: A lot of them are disturbed. But there's just something
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 2: about that area. And I'm going to share my screen again.
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 2: And once we came back to the yard, like I
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 2: said earlier, we started just focusing our attention on the
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 2: yard because we wanted to experience these big giant figures,
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 2: which we did. Couldn't capture anything, but we could all
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 2: see them just moving about. And let's see.
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 1: Where are we at here?
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 3: While you're doing that, I do have a question. It
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 3: seems like there's multiple things happening.
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 5: At that location.
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 2: I think so. I think so, yeah. There's a small
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 2: graveyard from the Root family that owned that property originally.
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 2: that was found on the, they started cutting the grass
• 1:06:01
  Speaker 2: and they realized, and they came across these graves. They
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 2: found a grave stone actually in the house that they
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 2: brought back outside. Yeah, there's, it's an old place and it's,
• 1:06:13
  Speaker 2: there's been a lot of tragedy and a lot of
• 1:06:15
  Speaker 2: activity going on in that place for a really, really
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 2: long time. So we were talking about orbs earlier. I
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 2: have notoriously bad at catching orbs. I've caught some amazing
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 2: spirit photos, I would say, but orbs, I never, But
• 1:06:29
  Speaker 2: we went back to the yard and we just started
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 2: snapping pictures into the dark. And this is something I captured.
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 3: While you're looking that up, I wanted to, because it
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 3: seems like it's a possible portal at that location, I think.
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 3: And you're also looking at restless spirits as well. And
• 1:06:51
  Speaker 3: possibly Bigfoot sightings or giant sightings.
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 4: And who, you know, just to throw it out there,
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 4: what is, is there necessarily a difference? I mean, I
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 4: don't know, right?
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 2: It's a good question. No.
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 5: That's true. Everybody will describe it differently.
• 1:07:19
  Speaker 4: Well, I mean, like.
• 1:07:24
  Speaker 4: I really want to believe in Bigfoot.
• 1:07:27
  Speaker 1: I'm very skeptical myself, but there always seems to be
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 1: orbs when people think they saw Bigfoot. That's what I
• 1:07:32
  Speaker 1: was saying. That's the way it works.
• 1:07:35
  Speaker 4: So if there were giant humans and there's also Bigfoot,
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 4: are these the same thing or are they different things?
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 4: I don't know. These questions run through my mind.
• 1:07:45
  Speaker 2: Yeah, 100%.
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 4: Is Bigfoot one of the Nephilim's?
• 1:07:55
  Speaker 1: Oh, shit.
• 1:07:58
  Speaker 3: No.
• 1:07:58
  Speaker 1: Even the dog thinks so.
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 5: Missing link.
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 1: Missing link. What the hell?
• 1:08:05
  Speaker 2: This thing is not letting me share this photo.
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 1: Oh, no. Yeah, even Tara was saying in the chat,
• 1:08:13
  Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure that's what she said, orbs in Bigfoot.
• 1:08:16
  Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure just from her listening to the show,
• 1:08:18
  Speaker 1: she's heard that so many times on here.
• 1:08:20
  Speaker 4: That's interesting.
• 1:08:21
  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah, yeah. Yep. Yeah, there was a girl, Brooke,
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 1: from dark Florida. She used to be on the show.
• 1:08:28
  Speaker 1: She was a Bigfoot investigator, and that was even something
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 1: she started noticing as well. Orbs were starting to become constant.
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 4: A lot of people think that there's a spiritual component
• 1:08:36
  Speaker 4: to Bigfoot. Whoa.
• 1:08:41
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:08:44
  Speaker 4: Interesting.
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that is.
• 1:08:46
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so this is one of the things that I captured,
• 1:08:48
  Speaker 2: just taking pictures out to the dark, shooting pictures from
• 1:08:52
  Speaker 2: the backyard out into that. you know, settlement slash burial.
• 1:08:55
  Speaker 4: Ground, whatever it is.
• 1:08:58
  Speaker 2: It just showed up. It's the wildest thing I've ever
• 1:09:01
  Speaker 2: caught in a picture. As far as it works.
• 1:09:06
  Speaker 3: Another thing about that burial site, you said it's circular, surrounded.
• 1:09:09
  Speaker 5: By trees and near the mountains?
• 1:09:11
  Speaker 6: Yes.
• 1:09:13
  Speaker 5: That's indications.
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 3: Oh, that's also signs usually for.
• 1:09:16
  Speaker 5: Fairy circles, too.
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:09:20
  Speaker 2: Interesting you say that. Several people have looked at this
• 1:09:24
  Speaker 2: and that's exactly what they said this was, they thought.
• 1:09:28
  Speaker 1: Interesting.
• 1:09:30
  Speaker 4: Very interesting.
• 1:09:31
  Speaker 2: Right?
• 1:09:34
  Speaker 5: That's a heavy place. That place is heavy.
• 1:09:38
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:09:41
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it really is. Yeah, that's a wild picture, dude. Yeah,
• 1:09:45
  Speaker 1: that's weird.
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 2: That's pretty weird. I have a couple audio clips here.
• 1:09:50
  Speaker 4: Oh, all right.
• 1:09:53
  Speaker 1: I don't know if we'll be able to... Hopefully we'll
• 1:09:55
  Speaker 1: be able to hear it. I'm not exactly sure how
• 1:09:56
  Speaker 1: to play audio without me doing it in the program itself.
• 1:10:02
  Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly. Let's see.
• 1:10:05
  Speaker 4: Do you ever wonder if there's a connection between fairy
• 1:10:09
  Speaker 4: circles and crop circles?
• 1:10:12
  Speaker 1: I've never even thought of that. Yeah. I have wondered that.
• 1:10:22
  Speaker 1: What do you think is up with crop circles? Me? Yeah.
• 1:10:29
  Speaker 4: Dude, I don't know. I don't understand. I've spent my
• 1:10:34
  Speaker 4: whole life wanting to know that. And I'm very reluctant
• 1:10:39
  Speaker 4: to speculate about anything. You know what I mean? I
• 1:10:42
  Speaker 4: want to go find out. I've already found out a
• 1:10:47
  Speaker 4: lot about the spirit realm. But that's something I can
• 1:10:51
  Speaker 4: do here in my own home. I've never been able
• 1:10:53
  Speaker 4: to go travel to these different places and see that shit.
• 1:10:59
  Speaker 4: One of the hardest things about being in this field
• 1:11:03
  Speaker 4: now is that we're living in a time where we
• 1:11:05
  Speaker 4: can do this, which is amazing, but the internet also
• 1:11:08
  Speaker 4: makes it impossible to know what you're looking at. You
• 1:11:12
  Speaker 4: know what I mean? As funny as this sounds, I'm
• 1:11:17
  Speaker 4: a very skeptical person.
• 1:11:20
  Speaker 1: Oh, I am too.
• 1:11:21
  Speaker 2: Of course, you're never skeptical.
• 1:11:23
  Speaker 4: So, or at least I don't, I don't make leaps.
• 1:11:27
  Speaker 4: I don't make assumptions. I need, I need evidence. Give
• 1:11:29
  Speaker 4: me evidence. But like, dude, if I won the lottery tomorrow,
• 1:11:32
  Speaker 4: like I would spend the rest of my life, like
• 1:11:34
  Speaker 4: just going to crop circles and go into these places and,
• 1:11:37
  Speaker 4: and doing all that and finding out, you know.
• 1:11:39
  Speaker 1: That would be fun.
• 1:11:41
  Speaker 2: Absolutely.
• 1:11:42
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:11:43
  Speaker 1: I believe there might be.
• 1:11:44
  Speaker 2: So remember I mentioned earlier that there, that bedroom upstairs
• 1:11:47
  Speaker 2: and that heavy carpeting and the padding and everything.
• 1:11:50
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 1:11:51
  Speaker 2: So now, What's weird is one of the things that,
• 1:11:53
  Speaker 2: remember I mentioned before, like my recorder started recording, recorded
• 1:11:57
  Speaker 2: all these sessions, stopped and started itself over and over again.
• 1:12:01
  Speaker 2: And the next day I went down and so I
• 1:12:06
  Speaker 2: went back and they said, hey, let's play it. Let's
• 1:12:08
  Speaker 2: listen to it. So we started playing it and there
• 1:12:09
  Speaker 2: was like voices. It sounded like somebody was jumping on
• 1:12:11
  Speaker 2: our bed. It sounded like the closet door was like
• 1:12:15
  Speaker 2: jiggling and opening and closing. And then we heard these
• 1:12:18
  Speaker 2: boot steps walk by. And what's weird is after I
• 1:12:21
  Speaker 2: got home, And I went to download all the audio
• 1:12:24
  Speaker 2: to go through. I was so excited. I couldn't wait
• 1:12:26
  Speaker 2: to start. Almost all the audio was gone. Gone. From
• 1:12:31
  Speaker 2: the recorder. And a room full of us sat there
• 1:12:33
  Speaker 2: listening to it. This is one thing that I saved
• 1:12:37
  Speaker 2: early that was not lost.
• 1:12:45
  Speaker 1: Hopefully it plays. Hopefully we can hear it. Here we go. Yeah,
• 1:12:55
  Speaker 1: I don't think we're getting anything. No? Yeah, it's kind
• 1:13:00
  Speaker 1: of hard to play audio from somebody else's end on here. Sorry, man,
• 1:13:06
  Speaker 1: that sucks. There might be a way to do it,
• 1:13:09
  Speaker 1: but I honestly don't know. I've never seen anybody.
• 1:13:12
  Speaker 2: I'd probably have to send it to you, and then
• 1:13:13
  Speaker 2: you'd have to probably.
• 1:13:14
  Speaker 1: Yeah, unfortunately. That sucks. That sucks. I don't know how
• 1:13:21
  Speaker 1: to take your word for it. Somebody was asking what
• 1:13:23
  Speaker 1: type of recorder do you use, and you said a Zoom, right?
• 1:13:27
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I have a Zoom H4N.
• 1:13:34
  Speaker 1: I have the same thing. That's the one with the
• 1:13:36
  Speaker 1: double fucking things.
• 1:13:37
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and then I have the H2 Essential also. Then
• 1:13:40
  Speaker 2: I have a couple small little Walmart throwaway things you
• 1:13:44
  Speaker 2: just kind of put as a static recorder somewhere.
• 1:13:46
  Speaker 1: You're right about that.
• 1:13:47
  Speaker 4: What's your favorite piece of equipment? Sorry, Nathan.
• 1:13:53
  Speaker 2: Honestly, favorite piece of equipment is a good recorder. I
• 1:13:57
  Speaker 2: think in my experience and a lot of other people
• 1:14:00
  Speaker 2: I've spoken to, their experience as well, voice evidence is
• 1:14:04
  Speaker 2: the most common thing to catch for whatever reason. And
• 1:14:07
  Speaker 2: certainly it's true for me. And so I always make
• 1:14:09
  Speaker 2: sure I have a recorder and a good flashlight. That's
• 1:14:11
  Speaker 2: really pretty much it. I like to listen in real time.
• 1:14:13
  Speaker 2: I'll be the guy in the corner sitting there quiet,
• 1:14:16
  Speaker 2: just listening to everything going on. marking everything and noting
• 1:14:19
  Speaker 2: every what's going on. Oh, so-and-so dropped a flashlight or whatever.
• 1:14:23
  Speaker 4: And so what do you think about, like, there's, I'm
• 1:14:26
  Speaker 4: not gonna name companies, but the company out there that
• 1:14:28
  Speaker 4: make specific, like a ghost hunting equipment. What do you
• 1:14:32
  Speaker 4: think about that?
• 1:14:33
  Speaker 2: Is that, ah, it, it, oh my God. Um, there is,
• 1:14:44
  Speaker 2: there's a line you cross with equipment for me where
• 1:14:46
  Speaker 2: it gets kind of, it gets kind of ridiculous.
• 1:14:49
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:14:50
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:14:51
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:14:52
  Speaker 2: We kind of keep stuff pretty simple. Like I said,
• 1:14:53
  Speaker 2: we have like motion sensors. We have, you know, my
• 1:14:56
  Speaker 2: friend Bob.
• 1:14:56
  Speaker 4: Makes cool motion sensors. I think that makes you more legit, honestly.
• 1:15:00
  Speaker 4: I think some of that other stuff is designed just
• 1:15:02
  Speaker 4: to make you feel like there's stuff going on.
• 1:15:04
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:15:04
  Speaker 2: Like the apps and all that stuff. I know we
• 1:15:05
  Speaker 2: don't really mess with that. You can't with a piece,
• 1:15:08
  Speaker 2: with a piece of equipment and a hardware with like
• 1:15:10
  Speaker 2: sensors in it and stuff like that. I can take
• 1:15:12
  Speaker 2: it to somebody if I don't know how it works and,
• 1:15:15
  Speaker 2: And I can, you can open it up and look
• 1:15:17
  Speaker 2: at circuitry and say, look, this is, this is the mechanism.
• 1:15:20
  Speaker 2: This is how it works. You know, this is what
• 1:15:22
  Speaker 2: activates it. This is what does it. And you mess
• 1:15:23
  Speaker 2: around and you experiment and stuff. But some of the
• 1:15:26
  Speaker 2: apps and stuff, it's just like the SLS camera seems
• 1:15:29
  Speaker 2: to like, it'll, it'll, it'll try to put something into
• 1:15:32
  Speaker 2: a human form. That's not like a chair or something,
• 1:15:35
  Speaker 2: something that looks remotely shaped like a person. It'll put
• 1:15:38
  Speaker 2: a form there because it's trying to find a human form.
• 1:15:41
  Speaker 2: That's the, how the software.
• 1:15:43
  Speaker 4: Totally agree. Yeah.
• 1:15:44
  Speaker 2: And so it's designed to find human form. So like,
• 1:15:46
  Speaker 2: I mean, if you're standing in the middle of a
• 1:15:48
  Speaker 2: field and something pops up on there and you also
• 1:15:51
  Speaker 2: hear something, something, other piece of equipment goes on. If you,
• 1:15:55
  Speaker 2: if you stack it with other stuff, it's sometimes it can,
• 1:15:58
  Speaker 2: it can be good. But like, if you're relying on that,
• 1:16:00
  Speaker 2: if you're relying on ghost boxes the entire time and
• 1:16:02
  Speaker 2: the apps and stuff, like, I'm sorry, like, it's just like,
• 1:16:04
  Speaker 2: it's just, it's just crap. It's nonsense. You got to
• 1:16:07
  Speaker 2: get like hard equipment. Hearing audio, witnessing things, catching something
• 1:16:12
  Speaker 2: in a picture. Like I've caught some crazy ass pictures.
• 1:16:15
  Speaker 2: Like something that obviously looks like a person. I use
• 1:16:19
  Speaker 2: my cell phone most of the time.
• 1:16:21
  Speaker 4: You know?
• 1:16:22
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:16:24
  Speaker 2: I've got crazy EVPs on my cell phone. Yeah, but it's... Yeah,
• 1:16:32
  Speaker 2: I've also had EVPs degrade over time.
• 1:16:35
  Speaker 4: Oh, that's interesting.
• 1:16:36
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and after this is over, I'll send these pieces
• 1:16:39
  Speaker 2: of audio to Nick, and it's a shame you can't
• 1:16:41
  Speaker 2: hear it here, but One of them is, like, I normally,
• 1:16:44
  Speaker 2: I've just been talking about this with a bunch of
• 1:16:46
  Speaker 2: other researchers and stuff, about how a lot of my
• 1:16:49
  Speaker 2: audio clips have degraded, and something I caught two, three
• 1:16:53
  Speaker 2: years ago, I go back and listen to it, and
• 1:16:55
  Speaker 2: you can barely hear it, or you don't hear anything
• 1:16:57
  Speaker 2: at all, and I'm like, I know it's labeled, I
• 1:16:58
  Speaker 2: know what voice was there, I remember this happening, but
• 1:17:01
  Speaker 2: it's just not there. In this case, I listened to
• 1:17:04
  Speaker 2: one of the EVPs from here, and it is so
• 1:17:06
  Speaker 2: crystal clear, I was like, oh my god, even my
• 1:17:09
  Speaker 2: daughters were visiting with me yesterday, I I played it
• 1:17:11
  Speaker 2: for them, and they were like, oh, my God, Dad,
• 1:17:12
  Speaker 2: it says blah, blah, blah. I don't want to tell
• 1:17:14
  Speaker 2: you what it says. I want you to hear it.
• 1:17:16
  Speaker 2: I'll send it to you. I mean, it's pretty clear
• 1:17:19
  Speaker 2: what's being said. So kind of the opposite happened there.
• 1:17:22
  Speaker 2: This is something I haven't listened to in years. I
• 1:17:24
  Speaker 2: went over there in 2023, 2022, and I labeled it.
• 1:17:29
  Speaker 2: I heard a voice for sure, but I didn't know
• 1:17:31
  Speaker 2: what it was saying. I listened to it this time
• 1:17:33
  Speaker 2: just a couple days ago getting ready for this, and
• 1:17:35
  Speaker 2: I was like, holy crap. It's, like, crystal clear.
• 1:17:38
  Speaker 3: Hmm.
• 1:17:40
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 1:17:41
  Speaker 2: And it's, and like I said, you have a phenomenon
• 1:17:43
  Speaker 2: of like eight recorders in a room and four picks
• 1:17:44
  Speaker 2: up a voice. The other ones don't hear anything. You know,
• 1:17:48
  Speaker 2: you can, you might hear a loudest scream you ever
• 1:17:52
  Speaker 2: heard it during an investigation. You're like, Oh my God,
• 1:17:54
  Speaker 2: everyone's recording. There's cameras going, there's audio recorders. You're like, yes,
• 1:17:57
  Speaker 2: that's amazing. You stop your recorders and go back and
• 1:17:59
  Speaker 2: play it. And it's not there. Nothing. So it seems
• 1:18:04
  Speaker 2: like when you think you have the phenomenon figured out,
• 1:18:07
  Speaker 2: it's just like, yeah, that's funny. And then it just,
• 1:18:10
  Speaker 2: throws you a curveball. It's interesting, though.
• 1:18:16
  Speaker 5: So this location was your curveball, huh?
• 1:18:18
  Speaker 1: It was. It was, big time.
• 1:18:21
  Speaker 2: And it affected me like crazy. I mean, I'm even...
• 1:18:24
  Speaker 2: Let me see if I can find this email I
• 1:18:27
  Speaker 2: wrote to Heather.
• 1:18:28
  Speaker 1: Wait a minute. I said, Hi, Heather.
• 1:18:31
  Speaker 2: So I mentioned a dream on Instagram I had about Greystone.
• 1:18:34
  Speaker 2: So here it goes. I was very much awake and
• 1:18:37
  Speaker 2: taking a shower in my bathroom at my old apartment. Suddenly,
• 1:18:41
  Speaker 2: out of nowhere, a graystone pops in my head. And
• 1:18:44
  Speaker 2: the guest bathroom in particular, which has an amazing shower
• 1:18:46
  Speaker 2: in it, by the way.
• 1:18:47
  Speaker 1: Love it.
• 1:18:49
  Speaker 2: I was suddenly just there. It was wild.
• 1:18:52
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 1:18:54
  Speaker 2: I suddenly found myself in the shower, but in the
• 1:18:56
  Speaker 2: guest shower at Greystone. I'm washing the shampoo off my
• 1:18:59
  Speaker 2: head by letting the water run over my head, and
• 1:19:02
  Speaker 2: then I hear the deafening sound of a train approaching,
• 1:19:06
  Speaker 2: and as it approached, it got so loud, I got
• 1:19:08
  Speaker 2: shot back to my shower, even stumbling back out of
• 1:19:11
  Speaker 2: the water, and falling against the back wall. I'm pretty
• 1:19:14
  Speaker 2: sure that it seemed like it was a remote viewing experience.
• 1:19:17
  Speaker 2: Not a dream. It was too vivid. My bathroom and
• 1:19:21
  Speaker 2: apartment in general is quite active. Beth and I are
• 1:19:24
  Speaker 2: both apprenticing with a South American shaman, so things are
• 1:19:26
  Speaker 2: getting intense to say the least. Curious what insight you
• 1:19:29
  Speaker 2: have on this. Looking forward to seeing you on TV
• 1:19:32
  Speaker 2: again and getting back to Greystone. So this is a
• 1:19:35
  Speaker 2: place that is very, very rare for me to be really,
• 1:19:38
  Speaker 2: really affected by a place and dream about it. I
• 1:19:41
  Speaker 2: don't even remember my dreams ever at all. I mean,
• 1:19:43
  Speaker 2: it just doesn't ever happen.
• 1:19:44
  Speaker 6: Same.
• 1:19:44
  Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure it's the weed.
• 1:19:46
  Speaker 2: Yeah, probably.
• 1:19:49
  Speaker 4: It does wipe your short-term memory. Whoa, what's happening to
• 1:19:52
  Speaker 4: my camera now?
• 1:19:54
  Speaker 2: It's the weed.
• 1:19:55
  Speaker 4: What on earth is going on?
• 1:19:57
  Speaker 1: Yo, that is bugged out, dude.
• 1:19:59
  Speaker 4: My camera's not, like, it's not my phone.
• 1:20:02
  Speaker 1: It's having a fucking epileptic moment.
• 1:20:04
  Speaker 2: I feel like I should apologize.
• 1:20:08
  Speaker 1: Yo, that is crazy looking.
• 1:20:09
  Speaker 4: What is going on?
• 1:20:11
  Speaker 1: Yo, I thought that was like an effect of something. No!
• 1:20:16
  Speaker 4: This isn't even uncommon. I mean, like anytime I talk
• 1:20:19
  Speaker 4: about a particular book that starts with the letter G,
• 1:20:22
  Speaker 4: shit like this starts to happen. And it's weird that... Okay,
• 1:20:26
  Speaker 4: hang on, hang on, hang on.
• 1:20:29
  Speaker 1: Yo, that is funny.
• 1:20:33
  Speaker 4: I don't know what I can do about this.
• 1:20:36
  Speaker 5: Wow. I got nervous there.
• 1:20:40
  Speaker 3: I thought he was having an earthquake over there.
• 1:20:44
  Speaker 4: I'll be right back. Give me one second.
• 1:20:50
  Speaker 1: Yo, that shit. People leave it in the chat. I'm like, what?
• 1:20:58
  Speaker 2: That stuff honestly beth usually can't even do podcasts because
• 1:21:02
  Speaker 2: when she goes on the show like the whole show
• 1:21:03
  Speaker 2: crashes like they'll have issues that they've never had ever
• 1:21:06
  Speaker 2: and like they she can't sometimes she can do it
• 1:21:08
  Speaker 2: and it's fine but i would say 60 of the
• 1:21:11
  Speaker 2: time like it's a catastrophic just collapse of the entire program.
• 1:21:17
  Speaker 3: Wondering and thinking because uh heather and beth might be
• 1:21:21
  Speaker 3: magnets too.
• 1:21:23
  Speaker 2: I think so. And I have their ability.
• 1:21:25
  Speaker 3: Yes.
• 1:21:26
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 1:21:26
  Speaker 2: And honestly, I have a theory that if you're a
• 1:21:29
  Speaker 2: little bit sensitive and if you spend enough time around
• 1:21:32
  Speaker 2: someone who's really sensitive, like you're, you seem to get
• 1:21:36
  Speaker 2: more sensitive around them. And I don't know if it
• 1:21:39
  Speaker 2: permanently rubs off or if that's a temporary thing, but
• 1:21:42
  Speaker 2: I like, that's what I noticed when I started investigating
• 1:21:45
  Speaker 2: with like, I'd be in a room with like four
• 1:21:46
  Speaker 2: mediums and me. And it would be like, I felt
• 1:21:49
  Speaker 2: like I was in the middle of like a, like a,
• 1:21:52
  Speaker 2: like an antenna or something, or like, you know, if
• 1:21:54
  Speaker 2: you lean up too close to like a junction box
• 1:21:56
  Speaker 2: and you can kind of feel like the EMF pouring
• 1:21:59
  Speaker 2: out of it, it was kind of like that. And
• 1:22:01
  Speaker 2: I noticed that like, if I go somewhere, like the
• 1:22:04
  Speaker 2: first time we went to Bel Air house that I
• 1:22:06
  Speaker 2: mentioned before, it was, it was again, a house full
• 1:22:08
  Speaker 2: of mediums and the activity was nuts. I had a
• 1:22:11
  Speaker 2: headache for like 10 days after that. I was all
• 1:22:13
  Speaker 2: messed up.
• 1:22:18
  Speaker 4: Yeah. I was going to say, cause I mean, it's really,
• 1:22:20
  Speaker 4: Several of the things you said tonight, you keep referring
• 1:22:23
  Speaker 4: to other people as a medium, but I'm picking up
• 1:22:25
  Speaker 4: that you are developing these senses as well.
• 1:22:31
  Speaker 1: Unfortunately.
• 1:22:33
  Speaker 4: Oh, no, come on, man.
• 1:22:34
  Speaker 2: Listen, everybody, being.
• 1:22:36
  Speaker 4: Psychic is not a special talent. Everybody gets psychic. It's
• 1:22:39
  Speaker 4: just something, it's like a muscle. You build it up
• 1:22:41
  Speaker 4: and it gets stronger and stronger. And some people are
• 1:22:45
  Speaker 4: naturally very talented at it, but anyone can do it.
• 1:22:49
  Speaker 2: That's literally exactly what we were told when we started
• 1:22:50
  Speaker 2: training is everyone's psychic. If you're gifted at something, just.
• 1:22:54
  Speaker 4: Figure it out. It's literally the most normal thing. It's
• 1:22:56
  Speaker 4: so human. The problem is that people have a misconception
• 1:22:59
  Speaker 4: about what it would be, right? Because you don't hear...
• 1:23:01
  Speaker 4: You're never going to hear another person's thoughts like in movies.
• 1:23:05
  Speaker 4: But what everyone in the world has experienced is walking
• 1:23:08
  Speaker 4: into a room and being creeped the fuck out for
• 1:23:11
  Speaker 4: no apparent reason by a person... And then most of
• 1:23:16
  Speaker 4: the time our dumb asses ignore that and then socialize
• 1:23:19
  Speaker 4: with this person and then find out six months later
• 1:23:20
  Speaker 4: that they're a fucking piece of shit.
• 1:23:22
  Speaker 1: You know what I mean?
• 1:23:22
  Speaker 4: Like everyone is psychic. We just ignore it because we're dumb.
• 1:23:26
  Speaker 2: Yeah. I totally agree with that.
• 1:23:29
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:23:29
  Speaker 4: But that, that basic just sensing of vibes is something
• 1:23:32
  Speaker 4: everyone does all day, every day. And if you really
• 1:23:34
  Speaker 4: hone in on that and develop it as a skill,
• 1:23:38
  Speaker 4: now you're psychic.
• 1:23:42
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:23:43
  Speaker 2: That's, it's, It's just weird. Over the years, I would
• 1:23:46
  Speaker 2: investigate place after place, and I talked about connecting with
• 1:23:49
  Speaker 2: Native American areas and stuff. And what kind of started
• 1:23:53
  Speaker 2: that was I would be investigating with this one medium.
• 1:23:55
  Speaker 2: I remember we were in Flemington, New Jersey, investigating. It
• 1:24:00
  Speaker 2: was a kind of museum. I forget the exact.
• 1:24:02
  Speaker 1: Name of the site.
• 1:24:03
  Speaker 2: But it was in Flemington. And I didn't know this
• 1:24:08
  Speaker 2: at the time, but just down the road, there's a shrine.
• 1:24:11
  Speaker 2: There's a giant monument to the Lenape tribe. chief of
• 1:24:15
  Speaker 2: that area, just down the street from where we were investigating.
• 1:24:18
  Speaker 2: We were sitting outside in the backyard, and I was
• 1:24:20
  Speaker 2: hearing movement around us. Again, it sounded like I just assumed, oh,
• 1:24:23
  Speaker 2: it's animals or whatever. The medium I was sitting there
• 1:24:27
  Speaker 2: with is like, that's not animals. I'm like, what are
• 1:24:30
  Speaker 2: you talking about? She's like, they're here because of you.
• 1:24:34
  Speaker 2: I'm like, what are you talking about? I don't understand.
• 1:24:36
  Speaker 2: She's like, yeah, they don't even notice me. They notice you.
• 1:24:40
  Speaker 2: They're here to check you out. They're trying to figure
• 1:24:41
  Speaker 2: out what you're doing here. And I'm like, what are
• 1:24:44
  Speaker 2: you talking about? And before I described where they were
• 1:24:47
  Speaker 2: moving around, like she told me like, oh, they're circling,
• 1:24:49
  Speaker 2: they're circling around like clockwise around this place. There's like
• 1:24:52
  Speaker 2: four of them. And I'm like, holy shit. Yeah, that's
• 1:24:55
  Speaker 2: exactly how I was hearing it. Although I didn't tell
• 1:24:56
  Speaker 2: her that. So I just made note of it. Like, oh,
• 1:24:59
  Speaker 2: they're moving around like this. She described the exact movements
• 1:25:02
  Speaker 2: in the exact direction they were moving. And she said,
• 1:25:05
  Speaker 2: you know, there's a little Monument just up the road.
• 1:25:09
  Speaker 2: I was like, what? And then I'm at a different place,
• 1:25:12
  Speaker 2: different medium. again, they're getting this like weird stuff. So
• 1:25:15
  Speaker 2: I was, I was like, Oh, so they're noticing me.
• 1:25:18
  Speaker 2: I started noticing them. So I'm like, all right. So that's,
• 1:25:20
  Speaker 2: that's why I started bringing like legit, uh, you know,
• 1:25:23
  Speaker 2: prayers with me and, and, uh, and offerings and stuff.
• 1:25:27
  Speaker 2: And yeah, I mean, it's, we, we have been in
• 1:25:30
  Speaker 2: some really, really hairy places like, uh, like the Hinsdale house,
• 1:25:34
  Speaker 2: for example, I was comfortable as anything there. I slept
• 1:25:36
  Speaker 2: like a baby, but what I did was I gave
• 1:25:41
  Speaker 2: respect to the tribes of that area as soon as
• 1:25:43
  Speaker 2: we got out of the car. I pulled out a drum.
• 1:25:46
  Speaker 2: I gave some tobacco and a little offering into the
• 1:25:49
  Speaker 2: wind and said a little prayer, played the drum to
• 1:25:53
  Speaker 2: the four directions. We were absolutely fine the rest of
• 1:25:56
  Speaker 2: the time we were there. And the other people that
• 1:25:57
  Speaker 2: were there did not have fun. So it seems to,
• 1:26:05
  Speaker 2: like the area seems to respond to you as much
• 1:26:08
  Speaker 2: as like any spirit or individual thing that's there you
• 1:26:11
  Speaker 2: know i mean it's like the whole area has a
• 1:26:13
  Speaker 2: personality and that's been a super fascinating thing for me
• 1:26:15
  Speaker 2: to go to all these cool sites and burial mounds
• 1:26:18
  Speaker 2: and stuff and you know abandoned asylums and all this
• 1:26:21
  Speaker 2: different crazy stuff i mean you there seems to be
• 1:26:24
  Speaker 2: like you mentioned you i think you asked the question
• 1:26:26
  Speaker 2: early nick if you have activity in a certain area
• 1:26:31
  Speaker 2: for a long time you have strife you have heartbreak
• 1:26:34
  Speaker 2: you have tragedy you especially on this continent, my God,
• 1:26:37
  Speaker 2: this whole, this whole continent is a fricking burial ground
• 1:26:39
  Speaker 2: for God's sake. Um, but if you have, you know,
• 1:26:43
  Speaker 2: generations of people pouring their emotions into that, whether, I mean,
• 1:26:48
  Speaker 2: it could be a positive thing too. Um, and there's
• 1:26:50
  Speaker 2: a lot of positive and negative everywhere, by the way,
• 1:26:52
  Speaker 2: but it seems to imprint. And like, you know, the,
• 1:26:55
  Speaker 2: the whole theory behind residual haunting is that it's like, it's,
• 1:26:58
  Speaker 2: it's the ground, it's the bricks, it's the stone, it's
• 1:27:01
  Speaker 2: the wood that has just absorbed that energy. And every
• 1:27:03
  Speaker 2: once in a while when the conditions are right, something
• 1:27:06
  Speaker 2: just comes out, a voice, a form, footsteps, you know,
• 1:27:12
  Speaker 2: a scream, a gunshot, you know what I mean, whatever
• 1:27:14
  Speaker 2: it is. Yeah.
• 1:27:18
  Speaker 4: Are you familiar with the theory of panpsychism?
• 1:27:22
  Speaker 2: Panpsychism.
• 1:27:26
  Speaker 4: To me, panpsychism is the explanation for all paranormal phenomenon
• 1:27:29
  Speaker 4: because it's a model of reality in which consciousness is
• 1:27:32
  Speaker 4: fundamental to time and space.
• 1:27:35
  Speaker 1: Hmm.
• 1:27:36
  Speaker 4: So that's more real than this is.
• 1:27:38
  Speaker 3: You see.
• 1:27:41
  Speaker 4: What I'm saying? The spirit world is the underlying reality,
• 1:27:44
  Speaker 4: and then the material world is secondary to that. And
• 1:27:50
  Speaker 4: so I've always thought of paranormal investigation as kind of
• 1:27:53
  Speaker 4: looking at it more from a material point of view,
• 1:27:55
  Speaker 4: because you're looking into places. But I think that there's
• 1:28:00
  Speaker 4: psychic imprints everywhere, and it's just how strong are they?
• 1:28:08
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree with that. And it seems to respond
• 1:28:10
  Speaker 2: to certain people, whether that has to do with time
• 1:28:13
  Speaker 2: or just the individual person or the group of people
• 1:28:16
  Speaker 2: that are there at the time or that's the time
• 1:28:17
  Speaker 2: of year. Those things could all be factors, depending on
• 1:28:21
  Speaker 2: the event. If a certain battle took place and 30,000
• 1:28:26
  Speaker 2: people died on a certain time, you can pretty much
• 1:28:28
  Speaker 2: guarantee around that time of year it's going to get
• 1:28:30
  Speaker 2: weird there. You're going to feel something. Something's going to happen.
• 1:28:34
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Boop.
• 1:28:40
  Speaker 3: I'm going to jump back to what you said, Sanjay.
• 1:28:45
  Speaker 3: Then that means what really the only ones we really
• 1:28:49
  Speaker 3: are in tune with currently and we see are only
• 1:28:53
  Speaker 3: the tragic ones.
• 1:28:56
  Speaker 5: Like where tragedy occurs.
• 1:28:59
  Speaker 4: I mean, I can tell you what I think about this.
• 1:29:02
  Speaker 4: I don't think anyone can tell you the total identical truth.
• 1:29:06
  Speaker 4: But that's not necessarily true. I think that when there's
• 1:29:12
  Speaker 4: a tremendous amount of trauma in a place, people who
• 1:29:15
  Speaker 4: pass on there get stuck in a loop. And they
• 1:29:18
  Speaker 4: don't know how to pass on, how to move over
• 1:29:21
  Speaker 4: to the other side. And that's what a traditional haunting
• 1:29:24
  Speaker 4: would be. right? Or, I think it's also entirely possible
• 1:29:27
  Speaker 4: for a spirit to choose not to pass on. Like,
• 1:29:29
  Speaker 4: fuck that. Like, when I die, I'm going to haunt
• 1:29:31
  Speaker 4: my kid. I'm not going anywhere. You know, but there
• 1:29:37
  Speaker 4: may be more malicious reasons that things choose to stay.
• 1:29:40
  Speaker 4: When at the same time, there could be very positive
• 1:29:43
  Speaker 4: psychic constraints, and I've experienced that also, right? But the
• 1:29:48
  Speaker 4: traumatic ones are visceral because it's trauma. Because trauma... shakes
• 1:29:55
  Speaker 4: you to your core right so that's that's why we
• 1:30:00
  Speaker 4: have this view of hauntings as being something very scary
• 1:30:04
  Speaker 4: what so like a good point why aren't we haunted
• 1:30:06
  Speaker 4: by super positive spirits because super positive spirits are chill
• 1:30:10
  Speaker 4: they're just they're resting they move they moved on they're
• 1:30:13
  Speaker 4: on the other side and they know that they're there
• 1:30:14
  Speaker 4: and they're cool and you can make contact with them
• 1:30:17
  Speaker 4: through ancestor work very easily but the ones that are
• 1:30:20
  Speaker 4: stuck here the ones that don't know that they're even,
• 1:30:25
  Speaker 4: maybe don't even know that they're dead, or have chosen
• 1:30:28
  Speaker 4: to stay because of traumatic circumstances, they're going to leave
• 1:30:31
  Speaker 4: a very terrifying imprint on you. And of course you're
• 1:30:34
  Speaker 4: going to remember that more than you remember that overwhelming
• 1:30:38
  Speaker 4: feeling of positivity that you might have gotten from walking
• 1:30:40
  Speaker 4: into a particular place. The one that scares the bejesus
• 1:30:43
  Speaker 4: out of you is the one that's going to stick.
• 1:30:45
  Speaker 1: Gotcha.
• 1:30:46
  Speaker 5: All right.
• 1:30:48
  Speaker 3: Yeah. All right, that actually, we do, and we do
• 1:30:52
  Speaker 3: tend to ignore the positive one, the positive feeling one.
• 1:30:56
  Speaker 4: Right, but I mean, like, I thought, so I have
• 1:30:59
  Speaker 4: this particular tarot deck, this one, this is the one
• 1:31:03
  Speaker 4: I use to talk to my dad all the time.
• 1:31:04
  Speaker 4: He died when I was 12, you know what I mean? But, like,
• 1:31:08
  Speaker 4: that's very easy to do, but he's not just, like, Well, actually,
• 1:31:15
  Speaker 4: when my son was born, my father was just hanging
• 1:31:18
  Speaker 4: out with us. I could feel him next to me
• 1:31:20
  Speaker 4: for like the first three years of my kid's life.
• 1:31:25
  Speaker 4: So there is such a thing as a very positive haunting.
• 1:31:27
  Speaker 4: It's just not going to have the same effect on you.
• 1:31:30
  Speaker 4: It doesn't make your hair on the back of your
• 1:31:31
  Speaker 4: neck stand up. You don't feel like you're in danger.
• 1:31:33
  Speaker 4: And those are the things that, you know, those are
• 1:31:37
  Speaker 4: the feelings that create the classic haunting.
• 1:31:41
  Speaker 5: That we're, you know, That we talk about.
• 1:31:45
  Speaker 4: Yeah, exactly. And it's also the same, you know, kind
• 1:31:49
  Speaker 4: of phenomenon that like, um, if you go to a
• 1:31:53
  Speaker 4: restaurant and you don't like your meal, like you're going
• 1:31:55
  Speaker 4: to fucking say something, but if you have a great meal,
• 1:31:57
  Speaker 4: you might, you know what I mean? It's like, yeah,
• 1:31:58
  Speaker 4: that's great. But if you have a bad meal, you're
• 1:32:00
  Speaker 4: going to tell 15 people about it. You're going to
• 1:32:02
  Speaker 4: go out and Yelp and like, you know what I mean? Type,
• 1:32:04
  Speaker 4: type up a bad review for the place because we,
• 1:32:06
  Speaker 4: we negative things stick to us for whatever reason, more,
• 1:32:11
  Speaker 4: more clearly a positive does. Yeah.
• 1:32:13
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that is true.
• 1:32:18
  Speaker 6: That is true.
• 1:32:18
  Speaker 2: It seems like a lot of the negative events that
• 1:32:21
  Speaker 2: have happened are just more intense than the positive things
• 1:32:24
  Speaker 2: that happened. And I think a lot of it has
• 1:32:28
  Speaker 2: to do with the person, too. You know, and we
• 1:32:31
  Speaker 2: were told and taught in training that if you were ill,
• 1:32:35
  Speaker 2: for example, or you weren't feeling well, or you just
• 1:32:37
  Speaker 2: weren't feeling up to it, and there was an investigation,
• 1:32:39
  Speaker 2: like you had to say something to somebody, you had
• 1:32:41
  Speaker 2: to swap out. get traded out with somebody that's in
• 1:32:44
  Speaker 2: a good state of mind. Because if you're not in
• 1:32:46
  Speaker 2: a good state of mind, if you're depressed, if you're pissed,
• 1:32:49
  Speaker 2: you're fighting with this person, you're ill, you don't want
• 1:32:51
  Speaker 2: to go into one of these real intense haunted places
• 1:32:55
  Speaker 2: because you're in a weakened state and bad things can happen.
• 1:33:02
  Speaker 2: So it seems like psychologically too, if you go through
• 1:33:08
  Speaker 2: life and you have lots of trauma, people will tell
• 1:33:12
  Speaker 2: you that like, Oh, and that's a lot of shaman
• 1:33:15
  Speaker 2: work is, is recovering those negative things that happened to
• 1:33:19
  Speaker 2: you because it's believed that for every one of those
• 1:33:22
  Speaker 2: things that happened to you, you drop a little bit
• 1:33:23
  Speaker 2: piece of your soul, a little bit of your energy
• 1:33:25
  Speaker 2: leaves and stays there. And you know, it's like a
• 1:33:28
  Speaker 2: soul retrieval is what it's called. And that's drawing back
• 1:33:31
  Speaker 2: all of that trauma and confronting it, seeing it for
• 1:33:34
  Speaker 2: what it is and then releasing it and putting it
• 1:33:37
  Speaker 2: back to the earth. And, and in so doing you're, you're,
• 1:33:43
  Speaker 2: like removing weight from yourself kind of, and, and removing
• 1:33:46
  Speaker 2: negative things from us. Cause I think it's, it's, it
• 1:33:49
  Speaker 2: is totally natural. It's easier. Like, it's kind of like
• 1:33:51
  Speaker 2: the dark side in Star Wars. It's just the easier,
• 1:33:53
  Speaker 2: quicker thing. It's the more intense thing that most people
• 1:33:56
  Speaker 2: cling to. And, you know, it's.
• 1:33:59
  Speaker 4: Also the thing that ironically people get the most excited about, right? No,
• 1:34:04
  Speaker 4: no one watches ghost paranormal shows for like the, the
• 1:34:08
  Speaker 4: happy moments, you know what I mean? People are watching. Yeah.
• 1:34:14
  Speaker 2: That's true. A lot of it is the producer's fault
• 1:34:17
  Speaker 2: and the network's fault. Actually, Beth, a perfect example, Beth
• 1:34:21
  Speaker 2: was approached by one of these shows, and they wanted
• 1:34:23
  Speaker 2: her to come on and talk about some of her
• 1:34:25
  Speaker 2: experiences at the old place that she used to work
• 1:34:27
  Speaker 2: at in Medford, New Jersey. Super haunted. It was one
• 1:34:30
  Speaker 2: of the most active places we investigated, actually. We did
• 1:34:32
  Speaker 2: a public event there. We caught, I think, 45 EVPs,
• 1:34:36
  Speaker 2: and I think 15 to 20 of them were direct, intelligent,
• 1:34:39
  Speaker 2: direct responses.
• 1:34:41
  Speaker 1: Off the charts.
• 1:34:44
  Speaker 2: So this show approaches her and they're talking to her
• 1:34:45
  Speaker 2: and she's telling the story and everything like that. And
• 1:34:48
  Speaker 2: she had some crazy, crazy stories to tell. I mean, like,
• 1:34:50
  Speaker 2: you know, she's doing a reading for someone who's just
• 1:34:53
  Speaker 2: had a friend who passed away who was a crazy jokester.
• 1:34:56
  Speaker 2: And they're sitting there having a conversation. And off to
• 1:34:58
  Speaker 2: the left is her Reiki table that's sitting over there.
• 1:35:00
  Speaker 2: They're not using it. They're sitting at the table. She's
• 1:35:02
  Speaker 2: got cards out and stuff like that. And she's doing
• 1:35:04
  Speaker 2: her reading. And both of them turn and look because
• 1:35:07
  Speaker 2: they thought they saw something. And they turn and look.
• 1:35:09
  Speaker 2: And the blanket that's on her Reiki table just got
• 1:35:11
  Speaker 2: lifted straight up, like about six feet in the air.
• 1:35:15
  Speaker 2: Straight up and then just floated down. And she was
• 1:35:20
  Speaker 2: a bit like, was your friend a trickster? Would you
• 1:35:22
  Speaker 2: like to play practical jokes on people? He's like, absolutely.
• 1:35:24
  Speaker 2: It's 100% what he would do. So she has crazy
• 1:35:28
  Speaker 2: stories to tell. I mean, it would have been a
• 1:35:29
  Speaker 2: great TV show. But the network kept trying to push this. Oh,
• 1:35:33
  Speaker 2: but how scary was it? Were you terrified? Did you
• 1:35:35
  Speaker 2: have nightmares?
• 1:35:36
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:35:36
  Speaker 2: They were trying to inject all this negativity into it.
• 1:35:38
  Speaker 2: And she's like, no, I'm not, I'm a medium. I'm not,
• 1:35:41
  Speaker 2: that's not, I don't, I'm not afraid of it.
• 1:35:42
  Speaker 3: I do.
• 1:35:42
  Speaker 2: I deal with this all the time. It's, they were
• 1:35:44
  Speaker 2: trying to make it scary and scary, you know, and
• 1:35:46
  Speaker 2: they ended up not choosing her thing and not filming
• 1:35:50
  Speaker 2: the episode. Cause, cause they just want to push the
• 1:35:51
  Speaker 2: fear thing.
• 1:35:53
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 1:35:53
  Speaker 4: And I mean, also listen, I've, I've encountered malevolent spirits
• 1:35:57
  Speaker 4: in my work and you know, you do when you
• 1:35:59
  Speaker 4: encounter malevolent spirit, get the fuck out of there.
• 1:36:01
  Speaker 1: Hang out and try to talk to it.
• 1:36:05
  Speaker 2: Cool.
• 1:36:06
  Speaker 4: Cool. Goodbye.
• 1:36:07
  Speaker 2: I'm out.
• 1:36:08
  Speaker 1: Yep. I'm out.
• 1:36:09
  Speaker 4: Yes. There was a time when I had something actually
• 1:36:12
  Speaker 4: come through. I was doing a tarot reading for a
• 1:36:16
  Speaker 4: person who had been cursed. So I used to do
• 1:36:21
  Speaker 4: all the tarot for a different business, not my own, many, many, many, many,
• 1:36:24
  Speaker 4: many years ago. And this thing came right out of
• 1:36:28
  Speaker 4: the tarot cards like I was its target. And I
• 1:36:31
  Speaker 4: had to actually apologize to it. guide it gently to
• 1:36:34
  Speaker 4: the window and say, I have no beef with you.
• 1:36:37
  Speaker 4: Please leave my house right now.
• 1:36:39
  Speaker 1: You know what I mean?
• 1:36:40
  Speaker 4: Like you don't, you don't try to fight these things.
• 1:36:45
  Speaker 2: Hell no.
• 1:36:47
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:36:48
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:36:48
  Speaker 2: After, after, after investigating like the craziest places all over
• 1:36:52
  Speaker 2: the place for like 10 years plus, I would still
• 1:36:56
  Speaker 2: like Hillview Manor and Western PA is a great, perfect example.
• 1:37:00
  Speaker 2: We went to a spot there, and it's an intense place.
• 1:37:03
  Speaker 2: Tense activity all over the place. I mean, crazy stuff.
• 1:37:06
  Speaker 2: We went down into the basement where all of the
• 1:37:09
  Speaker 2: old furniture, a bunch of dressers with clothes still in
• 1:37:16
  Speaker 2: it from the people that died there, like recliners, like
• 1:37:20
  Speaker 2: kids' toys, like all these real personal items, right? It
• 1:37:26
  Speaker 2: just piled all over the place in the basement. all
• 1:37:28
  Speaker 2: these old memories, all this heavy energy and sadness and sorrow.
• 1:37:33
  Speaker 2: It's all just shoved in the basement. It's just seeping
• 1:37:37
  Speaker 2: off of all of this, like all the old furniture
• 1:37:39
  Speaker 2: and some of the, some of which I'm sure that
• 1:37:41
  Speaker 2: people died on. They just put it down in the
• 1:37:43
  Speaker 2: basement and it's just down there piled up in there
• 1:37:45
  Speaker 2: and in their clothing and all kinds of stuff. It's just,
• 1:37:48
  Speaker 2: and it's not like we didn't see anything. We didn't
• 1:37:50
  Speaker 2: hear anything or nothing like that, but it was like
• 1:37:52
  Speaker 2: the energy down there was so uncomfortable. We got to
• 1:37:54
  Speaker 2: a point near the boiler room, And I just became
• 1:37:57
  Speaker 2: overwhelmed with like, we got to get out of here
• 1:38:00
  Speaker 2: like now. Beth was already terrified, stuck to me because
• 1:38:04
  Speaker 2: she's hearing and sensing stuff I'm not, you know, but
• 1:38:07
  Speaker 2: I just got to a point. I'm like, no, no,
• 1:38:09
  Speaker 2: we're done. We're getting, no, we're getting out of here.
• 1:38:10
  Speaker 2: Let's go take a break. And it was just, it
• 1:38:15
  Speaker 2: was just an area of the building that like, there's
• 1:38:17
  Speaker 2: nothing there that I should be afraid of. But I
• 1:38:18
  Speaker 2: hit a wall and I was like, no, no, no, no,
• 1:38:20
  Speaker 2: we're good. There was somebody here doesn't want us here.
• 1:38:23
  Speaker 2: We're going, let's go. And we just went right to
• 1:38:25
  Speaker 2: the stairwell, got the heck out of there, and went upstairs.
• 1:38:28
  Speaker 2: It still happens to this day. It's a respect thing
• 1:38:31
  Speaker 2: for me. If I expect spirits to communicate with me,
• 1:38:36
  Speaker 2: communicate and cooperate with me and prove that they're there,
• 1:38:39
  Speaker 2: which they do sometimes, if I hit a point where
• 1:38:42
  Speaker 2: they're obviously telling me, no, no, no, you're not.
• 1:38:45
  Speaker 1: This is not. We were done.
• 1:38:46
  Speaker 2: We've had a lot of.
• 1:38:50
  Speaker 2: Even like not even intense situations like that, like we'll
• 1:38:52
  Speaker 2: be sitting in a room, we'll be doing, you know, investigation,
• 1:38:55
  Speaker 2: asking questions, asking for responses. If someone says, okay, if
• 1:39:01
  Speaker 2: you seem like you're tired, you're not communicating with us.
• 1:39:03
  Speaker 2: If you would like us to leave, light up this device.
• 1:39:05
  Speaker 2: If that device lights up, you're packing your shit up
• 1:39:08
  Speaker 2: and you're getting out of there immediately. You know, I've
• 1:39:11
  Speaker 2: seen people do that. The equipment will go off and
• 1:39:13
  Speaker 2: they'll stay. And it's like, oh man, that's just, whether
• 1:39:15
  Speaker 2: you believe it or not, that's just disrespectful to me.
• 1:39:17
  Speaker 2: Like you, you asked for a certain thing. It did it.
• 1:39:20
  Speaker 2: And so like, dude, it's time to go.
• 1:39:22
  Speaker 1: Let's get out of here.
• 1:39:23
  Speaker 2: You know, just respecting.
• 1:39:26
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:39:28
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:39:28
  Speaker 4: I know. I wrote about that in my book. Like
• 1:39:29
  Speaker 4: you can do, you know, if you believe in this stuff,
• 1:39:33
  Speaker 4: then treating, I mean, would you just like burst into
• 1:39:37
  Speaker 4: someone's house and be like, yo, I'm here with the,
• 1:39:39
  Speaker 4: you know what I mean? What is it? it's the
• 1:39:42
  Speaker 4: equivalent of breaking and entering. You got to treat these,
• 1:39:45
  Speaker 4: these beings with respect. You got to get consent. Consent matters. Right.
• 1:39:50
  Speaker 4: So important.
• 1:39:52
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:39:54
  Speaker 4: Don't you know, I mean, you don't have dignity and
• 1:39:57
  Speaker 4: you lose all your rights, you know, that's crazy.
• 1:40:00
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:40:01
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:40:04
  Speaker 1: Never.
• 1:40:04
  Speaker 2: We've, we, we never provoke under any circumstances. There's some
• 1:40:07
  Speaker 2: people that pull that out. If they're trying to prove
• 1:40:10
  Speaker 2: something to someone's there or whatever. And, you know, they,
• 1:40:12
  Speaker 2: if they're not getting a, they're not getting responses, they'll
• 1:40:14
  Speaker 2: start provoking like, no.
• 1:40:17
  Speaker 4: Or they go in with that attitude of I'm going
• 1:40:19
  Speaker 4: to find something that's very, you know, and it's, it's just,
• 1:40:22
  Speaker 4: I can't stand it. You know, um, this is why
• 1:40:25
  Speaker 4: I dislike most paranormal investigation stuff because of that. I'm
• 1:40:28
  Speaker 4: always looking for people who are authentic, you know, who,
• 1:40:31
  Speaker 4: who treat, who treat this with respect. Those are, then,
• 1:40:33
  Speaker 4: you know, it's not performative. Yeah.
• 1:40:36
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:40:37
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like you just said it. You just show
• 1:40:39
  Speaker 2: up in someone's house. You're like, okay, circus is here. Perform, bitch.
• 1:40:43
  Speaker 4: You go up and down, do some tricks. You're like, what?
• 1:40:46
  Speaker 4: And Ghost Adventure is the worst. Oh, yeah. The worst.
• 1:40:52
  Speaker 1: Yes, it is. I said it works for Zach Bagans.
• 1:40:56
  Speaker 4: Yeah, that was never legit. It was always about the show. Yeah, totally.
• 1:41:04
  Speaker 2: 100%.
• 1:41:06
  Speaker 3: I think you have a question in there in the chat.
• 1:41:11
  Speaker 5: I think that's for you, Bunker. Are you there?
• 1:41:16
  Speaker 3: Are they drawn to you because you remind them of
• 1:41:19
  Speaker 3: someone or something.
• 1:41:20
  Speaker 5: They don't like?
• 1:41:24
  Speaker 3: I don't know if it's don't like because I would
• 1:41:26
  Speaker 3: say with, I think, and this is my opinion, with Beth,
• 1:41:35
  Speaker 3: it's more like it's someone that I, I, I believe
• 1:41:39
  Speaker 3: is someone that they could communicate to and could actually
• 1:41:41
  Speaker 3: hear and understand them.
• 1:41:44
  Speaker 4: Well, I mean, like I avoid people that I don't like.
• 1:41:46
  Speaker 4: I would assume that spirits do the same thing. I go,
• 1:41:51
  Speaker 4: if I don't like it, I'm going to go the
• 1:41:52
  Speaker 4: other way. But if I'm like, Oh, I want to
• 1:41:54
  Speaker 4: hang out with this guy, then I'll show up. Right.
• 1:41:57
  Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly. Yeah, totally.
• 1:41:58
  Speaker 2: And I take it a step further. I think we've,
• 1:42:00
  Speaker 2: and we've talked about this a lot of times over
• 1:42:02
  Speaker 2: the years. It seems like when she's there, sometimes she's,
• 1:42:07
  Speaker 2: sometimes like way less activity will happen because like you said, they,
• 1:42:12
  Speaker 2: they know they can communicate with her. They can just hear,
• 1:42:14
  Speaker 2: she can see, hear a sense. They can, she can
• 1:42:16
  Speaker 2: relay the messages to whoever's there to let them know
• 1:42:19
  Speaker 2: what's going on or what their concern is or whatever.
• 1:42:21
  Speaker 2: So they don't need to like push stuff off the countertop.
• 1:42:24
  Speaker 2: They don't need to break a window or smash or
• 1:42:25
  Speaker 2: throw something or make a noise or scream because they
• 1:42:28
  Speaker 2: can just talk to her.
• 1:42:28
  Speaker 1: Like, okay.
• 1:42:29
  Speaker 2: Like, I mean, I, I've seen her do crazy, crazy
• 1:42:32
  Speaker 2: shit in the middle of fricking restaurant. Let's just get
• 1:42:34
  Speaker 2: up and like, hold on.
• 1:42:35
  Speaker 1: I got to, hold on.
• 1:42:36
  Speaker 2: I got to give, tell, I got to talk to
• 1:42:37
  Speaker 2: this person. Like what? Go over and be like, I'm sorry.
• 1:42:41
  Speaker 2: I so-and-so is your book. And then I look over
• 1:42:44
  Speaker 2: and the person's crying. It's like, oh, here we go.
• 1:42:46
  Speaker 2: You know, because, because a lot of times I feel
• 1:42:49
  Speaker 2: like some of the activity is just some, whatever's there is, is, has,
• 1:42:53
  Speaker 2: is pissed about something or is, or has unresolved issues
• 1:42:57
  Speaker 2: or is maybe is, is a relative just trying to
• 1:42:59
  Speaker 2: get your attention and is keep, and it keeps trying
• 1:43:02
  Speaker 2: and trying and trying. Like you said earlier, most people
• 1:43:04
  Speaker 2: just ignore that. And so sometimes they'll step it up
• 1:43:07
  Speaker 2: and activity will get crazier and crazier because they're like
• 1:43:09
  Speaker 2: trying to get your attention. But once someone shows up,
• 1:43:12
  Speaker 2: that's like sits there like, okay, well I'm here to
• 1:43:13
  Speaker 2: listen to you here. Let's turn it. You turn on recorders.
• 1:43:15
  Speaker 2: You're here to communicate. You're trying to figure out what's
• 1:43:18
  Speaker 2: going on and, and actually get to the bottom of
• 1:43:20
  Speaker 2: why they're there, why the activity is happening, who it is,
• 1:43:23
  Speaker 2: what they would like. Oh, you know, you know, it
• 1:43:26
  Speaker 2: could be anything like, Oh, could you, could you clean
• 1:43:29
  Speaker 2: up that area back there? There's, you know, I just
• 1:43:31
  Speaker 2: like this area of the yard. Could you keep this clean?
• 1:43:33
  Speaker 2: maybe put a little bird bath or something over there,
• 1:43:35
  Speaker 2: like dress up this part of the yard, whatever. Like
• 1:43:37
  Speaker 2: it could be something silly like that. We had tons
• 1:43:40
  Speaker 2: of success where she'll come in and just communicate these
• 1:43:42
  Speaker 2: messages back and forth and people will do it and
• 1:43:44
  Speaker 2: just kind of get at the same time, gain confidence back. Like, Oh,
• 1:43:48
  Speaker 2: I can, I can, I can affect this situation positively.
• 1:43:51
  Speaker 2: I don't need to just be afraid of it. It's not,
• 1:43:53
  Speaker 2: you know what I mean? And it's great too. If
• 1:43:55
  Speaker 2: we can come in and dispel some stuff like, like
• 1:43:58
  Speaker 2: something simple is like, Oh, you know, we noticed that
• 1:44:00
  Speaker 2: when we, open up this front door when all the
• 1:44:03
  Speaker 2: windows are closed and all the other doors are shut
• 1:44:05
  Speaker 2: if we open up this door the suction will actually
• 1:44:07
  Speaker 2: make this thing move or make this window rattle or
• 1:44:10
  Speaker 2: it'll pull this other door open and that could be
• 1:44:12
  Speaker 2: one of the things that is driving them crazy and
• 1:44:14
  Speaker 2: scaring them even though there might be legitimate activity happening
• 1:44:16
  Speaker 2: over here if you can like eliminate a couple like
• 1:44:19
  Speaker 2: little things because once you once you once you feel
• 1:44:22
  Speaker 2: like your place is haunted like kind of whatever anything
• 1:44:26
  Speaker 2: strange or out of the ordinary happens or something you
• 1:44:29
  Speaker 2: just can't explain right away Like that's where your head
• 1:44:31
  Speaker 2: goes like, Oh shit. And that's just, that raises the emotional,
• 1:44:35
  Speaker 2: like kind of, you know, uh, environment in that space,
• 1:44:40
  Speaker 2: which can make activity seemingly worse. And when people get
• 1:44:43
  Speaker 2: like a little bit of confidence, maybe do an offering
• 1:44:45
  Speaker 2: or do a certain thing or a certain ritual or
• 1:44:47
  Speaker 2: just cleanse once a week, once a week or once
• 1:44:49
  Speaker 2: a month, just talk to so-and-so here, I'm here, you know,
• 1:44:52
  Speaker 2: put a certain picture on the wall or something. It
• 1:44:54
  Speaker 2: could be something silly. Uh, and they gain some confidence
• 1:44:58
  Speaker 2: back in their, in their space. And it, and it
• 1:45:00
  Speaker 2: seems to calm the activity down because it's like this
• 1:45:02
  Speaker 2: give and take it's that reciprocity, right? You can, you know,
• 1:45:05
  Speaker 2: you come into a place and you're Zach Bagans and
• 1:45:06
  Speaker 2: you're like.
• 1:45:07
  Speaker 1: Oh, you're all right.
• 1:45:08
  Speaker 2: Yo bitch, throw some shit in my head. Like, yeah,
• 1:45:12
  Speaker 2: it might.
• 1:45:12
  Speaker 1: Just do it. Yeah. Yo, I would see them in
• 1:45:17
  Speaker 1: a minute. Jesus.
• 1:45:19
  Speaker 2: You just go in with respect and just kind of,
• 1:45:20
  Speaker 2: you know, just try to figure out like who, okay,
• 1:45:22
  Speaker 2: who's here, what's going on, what's up. You know, you
• 1:45:24
  Speaker 2: just have a good conversation and, Be respectful and not
• 1:45:27
  Speaker 2: provoke and.
• 1:45:28
  Speaker 1: You know.
• 1:45:29
  Speaker 4: You know, Nick, we should do a show called Ghost
• 1:45:32
  Speaker 4: Bros at some point. Like, go do an investigation.
• 1:45:34
  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah, because then it is just performative at that point. Yeah,
• 1:45:39
  Speaker 1: if you want to be like Ghost Bros. I got equipment, too.
• 1:45:43
  Speaker 1: I just don't use it.
• 1:45:44
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you have to ask for a certain thing to happen,
• 1:45:46
  Speaker 2: and then as soon as it happens, you start freaking out, screaming,
• 1:45:48
  Speaker 2: and running the other direction.
• 1:45:49
  Speaker 4: Yeah, exactly, exactly.
• 1:45:51
  Speaker 1: I was like, yo, how are you going to get
• 1:45:52
  Speaker 1: any footage evidence if you go the other direction?
• 1:45:54
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 1:45:57
  Speaker 4: I would love to do a parody Paranormal Investigation. That
• 1:46:01
  Speaker 4: would be the greatest shit. That would be so funny.
• 1:46:03
  Speaker 1: It would be such an easy thing to do. Yeah.
• 1:46:09
  Speaker 4: 100%.
• 1:46:12
  Speaker 1: Mike, was there anything else? Only because we're getting close
• 1:46:15
  Speaker 1: to two hours now. Was there anything else you wanted
• 1:46:18
  Speaker 1: to mention about that place before we wrap it.
• 1:46:23
  Speaker 4: Up?
• 1:46:23
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:46:24
  Speaker 2: I think I pretty much covered everything. I just wanted
• 1:46:26
  Speaker 2: to to just, uh, just tell anybody that's interested in
• 1:46:29
  Speaker 2: doing this. Like, you know, if you're interested in doing
• 1:46:32
  Speaker 2: it a hundred percent, do it, but do it smart. Uh,
• 1:46:37
  Speaker 2: you know, Jason Hawes says it all the time.
• 1:46:39
  Speaker 1: Good guy.
• 1:46:40
  Speaker 2: I love that dude. Uh, you know, what, what's your
• 1:46:43
  Speaker 2: best piece of equipment? He always says common sense. You
• 1:46:45
  Speaker 2: have to, you have to go into stuff and not
• 1:46:48
  Speaker 2: lose your mind. Like there's one of the reasons why
• 1:46:50
  Speaker 2: our training was so long and so arduous was like,
• 1:46:53
  Speaker 2: they had to weed people out. Because if you think
• 1:46:56
  Speaker 2: about it, this is an organization. It was South Jersey
• 1:46:58
  Speaker 2: Ghost Research. You're being asked by people, a lot of
• 1:47:01
  Speaker 2: times they're business owners or whatever. They're generally scared in
• 1:47:04
  Speaker 2: their home or their business or both sometimes. And they're
• 1:47:09
  Speaker 2: calling you in to help them. And there's nobody. They
• 1:47:11
  Speaker 2: can't call the cops. They can't call the fire department.
• 1:47:12
  Speaker 2: You know what I mean? Who are they going to call?
• 1:47:15
  Speaker 2: They keep seeing shadows in your footsteps.
• 1:47:16
  Speaker 4: Who are they going to call? Did you actually just
• 1:47:18
  Speaker 4: say who they're going to call?
• 1:47:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Who are you going to call? Ghostbusters.
• 1:47:22
  Speaker 2: I mean there's so many there's so many hacks running around.
• 1:47:25
  Speaker 6: Yo that is funny situation worse dude i don't know
• 1:47:29
  Speaker 6: if i'm going to catch that but like if you
• 1:47:34
  Speaker 6: come in like a zach bagans dude and like you
• 1:47:35
  Speaker 6: could they used to preach this to us like a
• 1:47:38
  Speaker 6: mantra they'd be like you know we get to leave
• 1:47:41
  Speaker 6: if they're calling us to investigate this is their home
• 1:47:44
  Speaker 6: their business sometimes both we get to come in and
• 1:47:46
  Speaker 6: do our thing we get to leave they have.
• 1:47:48
  Speaker 2: To stay there and deal with with.
• 1:47:49
  Speaker 4: What you know, I've lived in two different haunted houses.
• 1:47:52
  Speaker 4: I'll tell you that shit is so true, man. And
• 1:47:54
  Speaker 4: both times I ran away. I chose to be homeless
• 1:47:57
  Speaker 4: rather than live in that house in San Francisco. Oh, right.
• 1:48:00
  Speaker 4: We ended up living in hotels for a month just
• 1:48:02
  Speaker 4: to get the hell away from that place. And then
• 1:48:04
  Speaker 4: there's a video up on my YouTube channel where I
• 1:48:06
  Speaker 4: talk about an experience. My son is, I'm gonna close
• 1:48:09
  Speaker 4: the door. Um, cause he probably doesn't remember this, but
• 1:48:13
  Speaker 4: that shit was scaring the shit out of both of us.
• 1:48:15
  Speaker 4: He was terrified and he was just, he was really,
• 1:48:17
  Speaker 4: really small at the time, you know? Um, so yeah, it's,
• 1:48:20
  Speaker 4: it's really scary when it's, when it's unpleasant, it's deeply unpleasant.
• 1:48:26
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:48:27
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:48:27
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:48:28
  Speaker 2: And the more feel for you are, I feel like
• 1:48:29
  Speaker 2: that makes, I feel like it makes it worse. And
• 1:48:32
  Speaker 2: the more fearful you are, the more fear you pour
• 1:48:34
  Speaker 2: into that environment, that's more Oh yeah. Negative energy to
• 1:48:38
  Speaker 2: draw from, you know?
• 1:48:39
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:48:39
  Speaker 4: A hundred percent. What was the name of the organization
• 1:48:42
  Speaker 4: where you did your training?
• 1:48:44
  Speaker 2: South Jersey ghost research. They still, uh, there's, they still
• 1:48:48
  Speaker 2: have a group. It's still going. I've been in a
• 1:48:51
  Speaker 2: couple of different groups and now Beth and I are
• 1:48:53
  Speaker 2: just basically free agents. Like we've, we've worked with so
• 1:48:55
  Speaker 2: many people over the years and done so many events
• 1:48:57
  Speaker 2: and stuff like that that like we, everybody that we
• 1:48:59
  Speaker 2: trust kind of knows us already. And if they need
• 1:49:02
  Speaker 2: extra investigators, they call us in or if they have
• 1:49:04
  Speaker 2: a case they can't get to and it's in our area.
• 1:49:06
  Speaker 4: If you guys ever happen to be in Alberta, let
• 1:49:09
  Speaker 4: me know. We should go do some. There's a lot
• 1:49:12
  Speaker 4: of cool shit out here. There's a lot of haunted places.
• 1:49:14
  Speaker 2: Oh, hell yeah. Yeah, I'll say New York is nuts.
• 1:49:17
  Speaker 2: It's crazy. So many haunted places up there. Like I said,
• 1:49:21
  Speaker 2: that whole area of the country, I don't know. There's
• 1:49:23
  Speaker 2: something about it, man. And I talked to several people
• 1:49:26
  Speaker 2: that went to college up there. And they said the
• 1:49:31
  Speaker 2: same thing. They're like, yeah, man, I'm glad you went
• 1:49:33
  Speaker 2: up there and experienced that.
• 1:49:34
  Speaker 1: Like, I can't.
• 1:49:35
  Speaker 2: I'm like, I don't, we couldn't even describe it to
• 1:49:36
  Speaker 2: each other what we're talking about, but it was like, yeah,
• 1:49:38
  Speaker 2: I felt that. It's, it's, it feels like, and I
• 1:49:41
  Speaker 2: said to Nick before, like, it's like, it's old God's country.
• 1:49:44
  Speaker 2: It feels like it's a different, it feels like it's
• 1:49:47
  Speaker 2: a different country than the rest of the area around it,
• 1:49:51
  Speaker 2: like Jersey or even New York City or Long Island, PA.
• 1:49:55
  Speaker 2: There's some weird places everywhere, but that area of the country,
• 1:49:57
  Speaker 2: I don't know, man, there's something about it.
• 1:50:00
  Speaker 1: You make me jealous. I'm going to check it out now. Uh,
• 1:50:05
  Speaker 1: thank you so much for coming on, man. That's some
• 1:50:07
  Speaker 1: wild shit for sure. That was really cool.
• 1:50:09
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:50:10
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:50:11
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Sorry, the audio didn't work, but everything else, that
• 1:50:14
  Speaker 1: was great. Thank you.
• 1:50:15
  Speaker 2: Oh, that's cool. I'll, I'll, I'll definitely send you that
• 1:50:17
  Speaker 2: stuff so you can, you know, talk about it.
• 1:50:18
  Speaker 1: All right. Yeah. Yeah. That'd be cool. Um, before we
• 1:50:21
  Speaker 1: wrap it up, sorry, do you want to remind everybody
• 1:50:23
  Speaker 1: what's up with you, your book and your podcast?
• 1:50:26
  Speaker 4: Yeah, check it out. Chaos Witchcraft. Name of my book.
• 1:50:28
  Speaker 4: You can pre-order it on Amazon now. You can check
• 1:50:30
  Speaker 4: out everything we do. I run a school. We do
• 1:50:33
  Speaker 4: all kinds of fun stuff. Psychic development. I give a
• 1:50:35
  Speaker 4: live lecture every Tuesday. I do a live stream Monday
• 1:50:38
  Speaker 4: through Friday. I started out as a tarot reader, but
• 1:50:41
  Speaker 4: I branched out over the last 15 years into doing everything.
• 1:50:45
  Speaker 4: And even developing my own system of magic, which is
• 1:50:48
  Speaker 4: called Chaos Witchcraft, which is also the name of my book.
• 1:50:51
  Speaker 4: And I'm being so inarticulate right now because I'm so
• 1:50:53
  Speaker 4: very tired and hungry. But, yeah, check it out, www.theorderofchaosmagic.com.
• 1:50:59
  Speaker 1: Thank you very much, man. I appreciate you making it
• 1:51:01
  Speaker 1: on tonight. It was a good time. Yeah. It was
• 1:51:03
  Speaker 1: a wild story.
• 1:51:04
  Speaker 4: Of course.
• 1:51:05
  Speaker 1: And, Michael, please, let everybody know what's up with you
• 1:51:08
  Speaker 1: and anything that you'd like to promote or any way
• 1:51:10
  Speaker 1: people can get in touch with you.
• 1:51:13
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think, you know, I'm on Spotify and Apple
• 1:51:15
  Speaker 2: Podcasts and a couple of other places, like, at the Bunker.
• 1:51:18
  Speaker 2: You search Bunker Paranormal, you should find it. I will
• 1:51:22
  Speaker 2: do super serious episodes here and there, deep dives into books.
• 1:51:26
  Speaker 2: I'm actually reading this book by Radova right now. I'll
• 1:51:31
  Speaker 2: be doing some content on this. Pretty cool, very early
• 1:51:38
  Speaker 2: EVP researcher. People kind of stumbled upon that by accident
• 1:51:42
  Speaker 2: and started studying it.
• 1:51:43
  Speaker 3: Oh, wow.
• 1:51:43
  Speaker 1: All right.
• 1:51:45
  Speaker 2: Yeah, pretty cool stuff. And then I'll have an episode
• 1:51:47
  Speaker 2: where I'll just goof off and just fuck around and
• 1:51:49
  Speaker 2: play games. Alex Jones clips and just goof off and laugh.
• 1:51:52
  Speaker 2: I have to keep it fun for myself, otherwise I'll
• 1:51:55
  Speaker 2: just stop doing it.
• 1:51:57
  Speaker 1: I can see that working. Thank you very much, man,
• 1:52:01
  Speaker 1: for coming on. For real. I had a really good time.
• 1:52:03
  Speaker 1: I'll have to get you on again. I'm sure you've
• 1:52:04
  Speaker 1: got plenty of other stories too. That was great. Judith,
• 1:52:10
  Speaker 1: she's not here. She had to leave. I'm very grateful
• 1:52:13
  Speaker 1: she was able to make it. Go check out The Loon.
• 1:52:14
  Speaker 1: She's got a YouTube. Go check out her stuff and
• 1:52:17
  Speaker 1: her podcast as well. Yeah, and that's it. That's all
• 1:52:22
  Speaker 1: for tonight. Thank you, everybody, inside the chat. That is
• 1:52:25
  Speaker 1: what's up. I appreciate everybody coming by and saying what's up.
• 1:52:28
  Speaker 1: That's why we go live. And until the next one,
• 1:52:31
  Speaker 1: everybody be well. Later.