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Ross Fulton Analysis: 5 Questions About The Ohio State Defense · Buckeyes TomOrrow Morning

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  Speaker 1: Welcome to Buckeyes tomorrow morning for Tuesday, November 10th. I'm
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  Speaker 1: We are about, oh, I don't know, about 48 hours
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  Speaker 1: out or so from the Ohio State-Oregon game. And boy,
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  Speaker 1: there have been a lot of opinions shared online about
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  Speaker 1: exactly what is going on with the Ohio State team,
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  Speaker 1: specifically the Ohio State defense. On today's show, we're going
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  Speaker 1: to try and sort some of the fact from the
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  Speaker 1: fiction and at least give you sort of a little
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  Speaker 1: bit of an idea which criticisms are maybe a little
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  Speaker 1: bit more legitimate than others. We're going to be doing
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  Speaker 1: that with our buddy Ross Fulton. He is one of
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  Speaker 1: our scheme insiders at BuckeyeInsiders.com. Ross, let's start with the
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  Speaker 1: first one. I feel like this is one of sort
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  Speaker 1: of a little bit of a broader one. And this
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  Speaker 1: is one that I know that I've certainly said out
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  Speaker 1: loud a few times over the last few weeks. Does
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  Speaker 1: it feel like Matt Patricia's being a little bit conservative
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  Speaker 1: in terms of sitting back and not necessarily trying to
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  Speaker 1: really dial up the pressure on quarterbacks like Jaden Maiava
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  Speaker 1: and Dylan Rayola, who maybe have not responded all that
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  Speaker 1: well to pressure in the past?
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  Speaker 2: Generally speaking? Yes.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, I think it's a function of the overall
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  Speaker 3: design of the defense where he's essentially running like to
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  Speaker 3: simplify things like a three, four, right. And I know
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  Speaker 3: this is a question I'll get into where you're at
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  Speaker 3: your outside linebackers, if you will, are Kenyatta Jackson and
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  Speaker 3: Russo who are then often not being used to rush
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  Speaker 3: the passer. You've got often three defensive tackles, your cage rushing, um,
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  Speaker 3: I will say he's been trying to create pressure that
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  Speaker 3: got them some on Saturday against Oregon when Oregon called
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  Speaker 3: screens on third and long. Or that double mug look
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  Speaker 3: that I posted on X that led to a 40-yard
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  Speaker 3: touchdown on second and 13. He's trying to do some
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  Speaker 3: more designer things to create pressure or at least give
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  Speaker 3: the threat of pressure because he knows that they have
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  Speaker 3: trouble developing it organically so yes you know how much
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  Speaker 3: pressure they could create even if they were bringing a
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  Speaker 3: bunch more fire zones and sims I'm not sure but
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  Speaker 3: I would agree that the general approach particularly with the
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  Speaker 3: drop eight isn't effective but that's also because of how
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  Speaker 3: they're conducting the the zone coverage with those eight defenders
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  Speaker 3: who are dropping.
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  Speaker 1: So let's talk a little bit about generating pressure organically
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  Speaker 1: and sort of how they're creating those zones. It feels
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  Speaker 1: like you've seen Kenyatta Jackson dropping into pass coverage as
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  Speaker 1: often as you've seen him rushing the quarterback this year.
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  Speaker 1: And I'm sure if you really went down to down,
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  Speaker 1: it isn't really quite that dramatic. But it feels like
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  Speaker 1: they're using him not in the pass rush. You know,
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  Speaker 1: you would look at him and say strong side defensive end,
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  Speaker 1: rushing the passer a bunch, being strong in the run,
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  Speaker 1: all that kind of stuff. And it just feels like
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  Speaker 1: they've dropped him into past coverage a ton this year.
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  Speaker 1: Is that, is that happening too much? Is that, is
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  Speaker 1: that kind of just your thinking of the examples of
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  Speaker 1: the times you saw it happen and not work? What's the, uh,
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  Speaker 1: what's the diagnosis there?
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  Speaker 3: I mean, it's happening too much because it's, he's not
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  Speaker 3: effective at it and it's not, uh, so when he
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  Speaker 3: does drop, it's, it's kind of a mess because they,
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  Speaker 3: they backpedal, they don't get the depth. Um, But again,
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  Speaker 3: it goes back to my previous answer. So like the
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  Speaker 3: way that the scheme is set up, particularly like the
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  Speaker 3: penny front, the odd front, he likes, but he, I mean,
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  Speaker 3: Matt Patricia likes to use those, you know, stand up
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  Speaker 3: outside linebackers as the apex defenders. And so, you know,
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  Speaker 3: when you have the outside man on the line of scrimmage,
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  Speaker 3: you know, you kind of want to split the difference
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  Speaker 3: by apex. You're, you're kind of trying to split the
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  Speaker 3: difference right between the offensive tackle and the most inside
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  Speaker 3: wide receiver. And, USC and Oregon have exploited that. They've
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  Speaker 3: used like lots of open trips formations, right? Where you
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  Speaker 3: get sort of the absurdity of seeing Jackson or Roussel,
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  Speaker 3: like as the point man on those bunch of trips looks. Again,
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  Speaker 3: like that would not be the way I would want
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  Speaker 3: to set up the defense. I would rather them rotate
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  Speaker 3: the coverage. So you're rotating safeties or, you know, the
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  Speaker 3: nickel or the corner towards those, uh, open sets, um,
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  Speaker 3: or you're, you're bumping at your linebackers as apex defenders. Um, I,
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  Speaker 3: you know, I, I have been on this. I mean, I,
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  Speaker 3: last year Kenyatta Jackson did not play this role. Um,
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  Speaker 3: I personally have, I have no evidence of this. I
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  Speaker 3: kind of assumed that he came back to Ohio state
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  Speaker 3: on the understanding that he would get to be more
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  Speaker 3: of the outside, uh, edge player like King Curry was
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  Speaker 3: last year.
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  Speaker 2: Um, And, or Arval Reese was last year. Right.
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  Speaker 3: But so last year they could use Arval Reese in
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  Speaker 3: that role. Like, again, I think their best defense would
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  Speaker 3: be to like get lighter. And like, so, you know,
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  Speaker 3: it says the three defense tackles, like Kenyatta Jackson, we
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  Speaker 3: talked about after the USC game, like he's one of
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  Speaker 3: the four eye techniques. And then you have two outside
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  Speaker 3: linebackers and Christian Allegro and Riley Pettijohn, who could be
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  Speaker 3: those apex defenders instead.
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  Speaker 2: You know, whether that happens, I don't know.
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  Speaker 3: And you know why that is, but I can certainly
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  Speaker 3: say that, There's the reason he's out there is because
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  Speaker 3: of the design of the defense.
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  Speaker 2: And, you know, it's not my preferred design.
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  Speaker 3: But even within that design structure, I don't think that
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  Speaker 3: he's well suited to that role.
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  Speaker 1: All right. So now we're going to get a little
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  Speaker 1: bit into that design. And this is one that I
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  Speaker 1: think we could probably do 45 minutes on with 17
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  Speaker 1: video clips. And that's not the format we're doing today.
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  Speaker 1: So this is going to probably be a little bit
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  Speaker 1: more of a high level conversation. But this is a
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  Speaker 1: question from one of our members at BuckeyeInsiders.com, Yinzer Buck.
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  Speaker 1: He wants to know, how does the Matt Patricia defensive
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  Speaker 1: scheme differ from the other top defenses this year, like Georgia,
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  Speaker 1: Notre Dame, UCLA, and others?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I will say like, you know, my
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  Speaker 3: understanding of other teams compared to Ohio State can be
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  Speaker 3: probably more superficial. Like if people are on X, like
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  Speaker 3: I highly recommend someone like Balmanac who looks more in
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  Speaker 3: detail like other teams beyond the Ohio State defense. I
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  Speaker 3: would say that we've compared it to Indiana, right? And
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  Speaker 3: how Brian Haynes uses much more sim pressures. In discussing
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  Speaker 3: this with the Balmanac and others, I think there's a
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  Speaker 3: decent amount of similarity between what Patricia is doing and
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  Speaker 3: Will Muschamp at Texas. It's not... he's not outside the ordinary.
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  Speaker 3: Like you see this across college football, like this move
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  Speaker 3: to like sort of the penny front, like Kirby smart
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  Speaker 3: at Georgia. We're talking about like the mint front, like
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  Speaker 3: these odd fronts that take away the B gaps, uh,
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  Speaker 3: take away his own. You see a lot of like
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  Speaker 3: the three high Tampa. So it's not like he's doing
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  Speaker 3: something completely unique, even though like some of the down
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  Speaker 3: to down calls may be kind of odd at times. Um,
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  Speaker 3: it's just like, it's getting lost in translation.
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  Speaker 2: Like the execution is really poor.
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  Speaker 3: Um, you know, I, the linebacker play is like really
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  Speaker 3: hurting them. Like the constant rotation of players through that position,
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  Speaker 3: like their zone drops are really bad. Um, whether you
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  Speaker 3: want to put that on Patricia, whether you want to
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  Speaker 3: put that on James Laurinaitis, who like, I know he
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  Speaker 3: kind of gets to wear the halo as a former
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  Speaker 3: Ohio state player, but like the linebacker play has been
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  Speaker 3: really bad. Like, you know, other position coaches get blamed
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  Speaker 3: when their, their position is not performing. Like, sincere Johnson
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  Speaker 3: started just all of a sudden playing a bunch of
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  Speaker 3: snaps and Mike linebacker against Oregon on Saturday. And frankly,
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  Speaker 3: it's probably, it was better at it than, than Alfred
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  Speaker 3: has been. So, um, you know, they're, they're losing, leaving
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  Speaker 3: like a lot of space in that, in those open zones.
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  Speaker 3: And like, you know, Dylan real talked about like the
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  Speaker 3: seams being uncovered. So they're just, it's, it's again, I
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  Speaker 3: guess I wouldn't, I would not say in at a
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  Speaker 3: high level, it's, it's in line with a lot of
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  Speaker 3: the trends you're seeing. It's just like the things are
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  Speaker 3: falling through the gaps.
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  Speaker 1: All right, I'm going to skip a couple questions ahead.
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  Speaker 1: And now, since you mentioned that Dylan Rayola quote, and
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  Speaker 1: I'll read that in case people didn't hear that in
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  Speaker 1: the postgame. Dylan Rayola postgame said, quote, we are confident
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  Speaker 1: in our plan. We saw seams everywhere in their defense
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  Speaker 1: when we were game planning for them. So this leads
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  Speaker 1: into a question from Buckeye Insiders member Candy Kane. What
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  Speaker 1: are they doing schematically defensively that teams are able to
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  Speaker 1: exploit the middle of the field? And why does it
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  Speaker 1: seem like teams are frequently targeting the back out of
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  Speaker 1: the backfield?
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  Speaker 3: Again, because they're getting stuck between like we've talked about,
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  Speaker 3: like matching, like, you know, I guess in my mind,
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  Speaker 3: they're sort of like you can spot drop. And that's
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  Speaker 3: what Indiana has done. And that's what like a lot
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  Speaker 3: of teams under Ryan Day have done. Right. Where you
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  Speaker 3: just like play the zone. you can man match, which
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  Speaker 3: is like what Nick Saban always loved to do, uh,
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  Speaker 3: where you like carry, you're basically like playing man within
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  Speaker 3: your zone and then you pass them off or you
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  Speaker 3: can zone match, which is like what Gary Patterson's known
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  Speaker 3: for doing that you're kind of playing your zone and matching.
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  Speaker 3: And they're sort of, they can get stuck in between
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  Speaker 3: where they like, they sometimes carry the seam routes.
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  Speaker 1: Right.
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  Speaker 3: So like Oregon, like ran this, like, you know, how
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  Speaker 3: to dig route, which is like a deep in like
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  Speaker 3: wide open. It's like, why'd that happen? It's like, well,
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  Speaker 3: Earl Little is the Tampa, like the middle field player.
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  Speaker 3: Like he carried the seam and you run dagger, which
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  Speaker 3: is a concept, like run the seam and bring the
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  Speaker 3: dig underneath it.
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  Speaker 2: And it's wide open.
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  Speaker 3: So they're like, again, they're, I don't know if it's
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  Speaker 3: because they're doing too many things and they can't like
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  Speaker 3: execute it.
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  Speaker 2: Well, there's two.
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  Speaker 3: Much, you know, uh, interchanging of like players, like, right.
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  Speaker 3: Like too much rotation. Uh, but they just really struggle
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  Speaker 3: and sort of like trading off routes. They get way
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  Speaker 3: too much depth at like the wrong times, in my opinion, like, again,
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  Speaker 3: like the, the linebackers will keep drifting in their zone drops.
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  Speaker 3: And like all of a sudden, like I posted one
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  Speaker 3: on X, like it's second and five and they're all
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  Speaker 3: like 15 to 20 yards deep. And like the, the
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  Speaker 3: middle of the field safety is like 30 yards deep.
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  Speaker 3: And it's like, by being so conservative, they're giving up
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  Speaker 3: explosives because it's like, you can just dump them off
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  Speaker 3: and run for another 10 yards before anyone can touch you.
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  Speaker 3: So I just, I like, they're just the association between
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  Speaker 3: the zones.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know.
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  Speaker 3: They just have really struggled to like find their footing
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  Speaker 3: at times this year. It's like they ran earlier in
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  Speaker 3: the season there after Texas. they ran like a ton
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  Speaker 3: of man and we went through like how teams were
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  Speaker 3: using all these man beaters against them.
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  Speaker 2: Right.
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  Speaker 3: And like how they, and then now they're back to
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  Speaker 3: playing a ton of zone, but just like not, they're
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  Speaker 3: just like leaving holes in the zone. And like, especially
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  Speaker 3: like in the middle of the field, like too much
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  Speaker 3: in the flats. And again, that kind of goes back
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  Speaker 3: to part of it is like a lot of times
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  Speaker 3: it's like Kenyatta Jackson or Russell dropping. And those guys
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  Speaker 3: like don't really seem to know what they're doing and
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  Speaker 3: doing it. And you're just like, so there's like just
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  Speaker 3: gaps left open as a result.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, there was that third and 15 where you look
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  Speaker 1: and it's like there's no pressure on the quarterback, but
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  Speaker 1: also there's absolutely no one in the middle of the
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  Speaker 1: field that was just set up an easy, easy conversion
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  Speaker 1: for them. Last up, we're going to do this Ohio
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  Speaker 1: State press conference style. The last question is going to
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  Speaker 1: be two quickies like Tim May style. These are related questions,
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  Speaker 1: so we're going to throw them together. What's causing them
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  Speaker 1: to still struggle to get lined up correctly on defense?
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  Speaker 1: That's from Havoc1125. And related, if the defense is consistently
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  Speaker 1: structurally unsound, is there any explanation for why that might be?
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  Speaker 1: That's from our buddy Shane Falco.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, so this goes kind of to what I was
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  Speaker 3: saying about, like, at a high level, you can see, like,
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  Speaker 3: similarities to what people are doing, but, like, things are
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  Speaker 3: getting lost. So, like, you know, Matt Patricia came from
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  Speaker 3: the NFL. And so, like, the old cliches are somewhat true,
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  Speaker 3: like the differences between college and the NFL, like the
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  Speaker 3: hash marks, right? So the hash marks make a difference.
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  Speaker 3: Teams in college will use tempo. So you see them
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  Speaker 3: struggle sometimes to get still lined up against tempo. The
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  Speaker 3: other thing they continue to struggle with for two years
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  Speaker 3: is an issue. Last year's unbalanced formations. Like I posted
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  Speaker 3: a few on X. If you want to like, look
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  Speaker 3: and be like, how would this ever, like you you're
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  Speaker 3: just making the players look bad. It's because like organs
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  Speaker 3: and it goes tempo and gets an unbalanced and like
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  Speaker 3: Ohio state cannot, they do not shift to the unbalanced.
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  Speaker 3: Like you have to be able to identify it and
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  Speaker 3: like shift yourself over. Um, and they, they just don't
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  Speaker 3: do it. So then they like, aren't responding to motion correctly.
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  Speaker 3: And so that's where they're getting structurally unsound and what
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  Speaker 3: they're doing. Like, I think, you know, like that's again,
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  Speaker 3: back to that, like second and 13 mug look, I,
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  Speaker 3: that to me is unsound. Like when you have no
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  Speaker 3: one outside the offensive tackle. Um, and like, I, I, you, again,
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  Speaker 3: you can go and see other teams that will mug
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  Speaker 3: their linebackers up like that. Jim Knowles would do it. Uh,
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  Speaker 3: and it would, wouldn't work. And people get mad at
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  Speaker 3: the time about that. Like, I, I don't think the
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  Speaker 3: trade-off is, uh, of, uh, you know, showing potential pressure
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  Speaker 3: is worth it, but it's just, those are the kinds
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  Speaker 3: of things like unbalanced has gotten them for two years
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  Speaker 3: and Oregon really took advantage of it, especially by going fast.
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  Speaker 3: I do wonder, again, this goes to my linebacker point
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  Speaker 3: is like, those are, those are the guys you would,
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  Speaker 3: you would want to help you adjust the front against
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  Speaker 3: unbalanced looks, especially when things are going fast. And like, again,
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  Speaker 3: they're constantly rotating through like they, you know, Peyton Pierce
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  Speaker 3: is probably the guy who can get the most lined up,
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  Speaker 3: but like, he just can't play the position well enough
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  Speaker 3: to play, you know, Ohio state middle linebacker.
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  Speaker 2: Like it's sort of the bottom line. Like he's too small,
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  Speaker 2: you know?
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  Speaker 3: And so they constantly like, and they give guys reps
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  Speaker 3: and like, you know, you get to the third series
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  Speaker 3: and all of a sudden like Simon, Simeon Caldwell's in
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  Speaker 3: the game and not Jay Timmons. And like, you know,
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  Speaker 3: now Dominic Kelly's in the game now, like sincere Johnson's
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  Speaker 3: in the game. And so like, I, we'll get back
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  Speaker 3: on my hobby horse about an August. Everyone loves to
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  Speaker 3: talk about rotation and like, this is what you get.
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  Speaker 3: A lot of times rotation results from weakness, not strength.
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  Speaker 1: All right, there you go. Answers to a few of
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  Speaker 1: your questions about the Ohio state defense. We will have
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  Speaker 1: again to our friends at Jeff Ruby's at Columbus, the
• 15:40
  Speaker 1: award-winning upscale steakhouse in downtown Columbus, named one of the
• 15:43
  Speaker 1: top 50 steakhouses in America by Food Network. Just go
• 15:46
  Speaker 1: to JeffRuby.com slash Columbus to check out the menu and
• 15:48
  Speaker 1: make a reservation today. That'll do it for today. Thank
• 15:51
  Speaker 1: you guys all for joining us. Have a great day.
• 15:53
  Speaker 1: We'll talk to you tomorrow.