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- 0:03Speaker 1: FT Breaking news time, Happy trade deadline. Eve. Let's get
- 0:06Speaker 1: right to FT senior insider Ken Rosenthal, as there have
- 0:09Speaker 1: been some trade since our last live show. Ken, the
- 0:12Speaker 1: big one to start with is the Phillies landing Yon
- 0:15Speaker 1: Duran to close out games for them for the next
- 0:17Speaker 1: two and a half seasons. What did you think of
- 0:19Speaker 1: the move and anything else that they could potentially do
- 0:21Speaker 1: after this.
- 0:23Speaker 2: Scott, it was classic Dave Debrowski.
- 0:25Speaker 1: He sees the best guy in the market.
- 0:27Speaker 2: He says, I want the best guy in the market,
- 0:29Speaker 2: and he gets the best guy in the market, and
- 0:31Speaker 2: the return from the Twins perspective pretty good. Mcabel could
- 0:35Speaker 2: be a major league starter for them for quite some time.
- 0:37Speaker 2: And the catcher is young, but he's considered one of
- 0:40Speaker 2: the top one hundred prospects in the game. So I
- 0:44Speaker 2: got a text from a manager after that trade saying,
- 0:47Speaker 2: d d Dave Dombrowski is the best in the game
- 0:50Speaker 2: and this is why he does these things, and he
- 0:53Speaker 2: makes moves to win World Series and he's not messing around.
- 0:58Speaker 1: Do you think that there will be anything else? It
- 1:00Speaker 1: sounded like for his press or, he said he's done
- 1:02Speaker 1: on the bullpen side because they also signed David robertson recently.
- 1:05Speaker 1: Do you think they could add a right handed bat,
- 1:08Speaker 1: maybe an outfielder there.
- 1:10Speaker 2: It's really interesting, Scott that the Mets and Phillies were
- 1:13Speaker 2: kind of vying for relievers today, and of course the
- 1:15Speaker 2: Mets came up with Ryan Helsley, and they could be
- 1:18Speaker 2: both vying for Luis Robert or other bats in the
- 1:21Speaker 2: market right now, so that competition is going to continue.
- 1:25Speaker 2: I expect them both to make additional moves, and I
- 1:28Speaker 2: don't know if it's Louise Robert junior or not. But
- 1:31Speaker 2: these teams, again, they see the prize and I don't
- 1:34Speaker 2: know that any of these clubs in the NL the
- 1:37Speaker 2: real contenders. The Cubs, the Mets, a Phillies see the
- 1:40Speaker 2: Dodgers as invincible and that's why we're seeing them behave
- 1:43Speaker 2: as they are. And I would add the Padres into
- 1:45Speaker 2: that as well. They all believe that there is a
- 1:48Speaker 2: pathway here to playing really deep in October.
- 1:52Speaker 3: So the Mets, Rogers and Helsley with Diaz, that's a
- 1:55Speaker 3: pretty formidable back end of the bullpen. I'm assuming Hellsier
- 2:00Speaker 3: slide into the eighth inning, Diez will stay in the ninth,
- 2:02Speaker 3: and Rogers will clean up wherever they need him against
- 2:04Speaker 3: right especially right handed hitters.
- 2:07Speaker 2: That would be my assumption.
- 2:08Speaker 1: Aj.
- 2:08Speaker 2: The beauty of this is if you've used Edwin Diaz,
- 2:12Speaker 2: Edwin Diaz a couple of days in a row, then
- 2:14Speaker 2: you've got Hellesley and it gives you that depth, that protection.
- 2:18Speaker 1: And remember they.
- 2:18Speaker 2: Have some pretty formidable relievers read Garrett right in front
- 2:22Speaker 2: of those guys. So this makes them that much stronger.
- 2:25Speaker 2: And it's really impressive to see what they're doing with
- 2:30Speaker 2: that bullpen and how they kind of adjusted on the
- 2:33Speaker 2: fly today to make it that much better.
- 2:36Speaker 1: Yeah, they give up six prospects, they pick up two relievers.
- 2:39Speaker 1: Good work by the Mets. And now Ken, let's get
- 2:42Speaker 1: to the padres. So right before we went on, I
- 2:44Speaker 1: see a tweet and an article from you and Dennis
- 2:47Speaker 1: Lynn about them big game hunting. What do you think happens?
- 2:53Speaker 2: Well, AJ Preller has a history, he has a track record.
- 2:57Speaker 2: He has this incredible run of landing big name talent.
- 3:03Speaker 2: He does it, he does it seemingly every year, and
- 3:05Speaker 2: he's after some big names. Now, Jaron Durant, he has
- 3:08Speaker 2: not given up Stephen Kwan. He's in the mix for him,
- 3:11Speaker 2: and even Mason Miller. I heard earlier this week that
- 3:14Speaker 2: the A's were not inclined to deal with Aj. They
- 3:18Speaker 2: thought he didn't have the players that they would want.
- 3:20Speaker 3: And here we go.
- 3:21Speaker 2: AJ's right in the mix. He will not stop. He's relentless.
- 3:24Speaker 2: So we'll see how this all turns out, and we'll
- 3:27Speaker 2: see if they're willing to give up the great shortstop
- 3:29Speaker 2: prospect Derees anythan Salas the catcher who is hurt. But
- 3:35Speaker 2: I anticipate something big happening with the Padres, and of
- 3:38Speaker 2: course they're still trying to move Cease and possibly Suarez.
- 3:42Speaker 2: They're doing all these different kinds of things. They'll have
- 3:45Speaker 2: to backfill if they move Cease with the starting pitcher.
- 3:49Speaker 1: Really, they're capable of anything.
- 3:51Speaker 3: We know that, all right, Ken, Well, then who's left
- 3:55Speaker 3: who's left out there? Of whether relief market starting, we
- 3:58Speaker 3: haven't seen a lot of starting pitchers move. We haven't
- 4:00Speaker 3: seen hardly any bats move. Who's next?
- 4:03Speaker 2: No starting pitchers really, and that's one thing that we'll
- 4:06Speaker 2: be looking for. Gallon and Kelly in Arizona, Alcandra and
- 4:10Speaker 2: Cabrera in Miami. If they move, these are going to
- 4:14Speaker 2: be interesting things to watch. My understanding is the prices
- 4:16Speaker 2: on all those guys, according to the people trying to
- 4:19Speaker 2: get them, are sky high, and maybe that's why there
- 4:22Speaker 2: hasn't been any deals of note with starting pictures of
- 4:26Speaker 2: any consequence yet relief pictures.
- 4:29Speaker 1: There are still a ton remaining.
- 4:30Speaker 2: You've got David Bednor maybe at the top of the
- 4:32Speaker 2: list right now. You've got Griffin Jacks if the Twins
- 4:35Speaker 2: want to move him, the Colorado relievers, they've been in play,
- 4:39Speaker 2: Pete Fairbanks, Mason Miller. As we mentioned, there are still
- 4:43Speaker 2: teams with significant needs in the bullpen as well. Detroit
- 4:46Speaker 2: would be won, the Red Sox, the Yankees. Of course,
- 4:50Speaker 2: there's going to be a lot going on in the
- 4:52Speaker 2: next whatever how many hours we have left. There's a
- 4:55Speaker 2: lot still to be done.
- 4:57Speaker 1: Yeah, and at least somewhat of a price has been
- 4:59Speaker 1: set here or a short term rental reliever and then
- 5:01Speaker 1: a longer term rental reliever. We'll see if that kicks
- 5:04Speaker 1: up the market. Otherwise we'll see you tomorrow. Ken, thank
- 5:07Speaker 1: you for the time. Okay, thanks guys, So here's the
- 5:11Speaker 1: deal for us. We're gonna be on still for a
- 5:13Speaker 1: little bit to break down those moves. Since our last
- 5:15Speaker 1: live show, Fair territory is also on tomorrow after the
- 5:19Speaker 1: trade deadline. Special timing for you. We'll give you more
- 5:21Speaker 1: details tomorrow when we're on during the day from one
- 5:24Speaker 1: to five Eastern Ken. We'll be on with Alana later
- 5:26Speaker 1: on in the day. Let's kick it back here and
- 5:30Speaker 1: let's go over some of the major moves that happened
- 5:32Speaker 1: in the last few hours. Let's start with the biggest one,
- 5:35Speaker 1: name wise and team control wise, and that's Jon Duran
- 5:39Speaker 1: moving from the Twins over to the Phillies. Jose Alvarado
- 5:43Speaker 1: got popped for Peds aj and this bullpen needed help
- 5:47Speaker 1: as it is, So what do they do? They signed
- 5:49Speaker 1: David Robertson. You don't have to trade anyone for you
- 5:52Speaker 1: just have to give up money. And we should see
- 5:55Speaker 1: him hopefully contributing for them in a somewhat high leverage
- 5:58Speaker 1: role if he looks like he did last year. He
- 5:59Speaker 1: was a strikeout machine again last year. And then Duran's great.
- 6:03Speaker 1: I mean, that's great stuff for them in the ninth inning.
- 6:05Speaker 1: How much do you think this makes them a World
- 6:08Speaker 1: Series contender like they've been in the last few years.
- 6:11Speaker 3: It definitely helps. Duran is the guy they've been looking
- 6:15Speaker 3: for in the ninth inning, they've used Romano, which he's
- 6:18Speaker 3: been Okay.
- 6:18Speaker 1: I think he's been bad.
- 6:20Speaker 3: Yeah what Yeah, Listen, Duran is a bona fide ninth
- 6:24Speaker 3: inning closer guy and in Philly he can be great
- 6:27Speaker 3: and he can become one of those guys that can
- 6:29Speaker 3: get him to the next level. And this is what,
- 6:31Speaker 3: like Ken said, this is what Dave Dombrowski does. He
- 6:34Speaker 3: goes out, he shoots for the big fish, and he
- 6:36Speaker 3: usually gets him because he's not afraid to trade guys
- 6:39Speaker 3: like Able and Tate because you know what, at the
- 6:42Speaker 3: end of the day, if he wins a World Series
- 6:44Speaker 3: in Philly, he doesn't care because the fans can give
- 6:47Speaker 3: him a rust. And usually after he wins, winner gets
- 6:49Speaker 3: in there, he gets let go anyway, so he moves
- 6:51Speaker 3: on to the next team. It does it again. So
- 6:53Speaker 3: God bless you, Dave Dombrowski. You're the man.
- 6:57Speaker 1: So they give up a low you know, an a
- 7:00Speaker 1: ball prospect and Edward Tyt and we're gonna get JJ
- 7:03Speaker 1: Cooper's thoughts on the prospect return coming up soon. Mickabel
- 7:06Speaker 1: has made six big league starts. Here's the return package
- 7:09Speaker 1: for the Twins. Mckabel wasn't cracking the starting rotation for
- 7:13Speaker 1: the Phillies this season. He's twenty three years old. That's
- 7:15Speaker 1: a guy you're gonna have league minimum for the next
- 7:17Speaker 1: few years. If you're the Twins. That's exactly what you're
- 7:19Speaker 1: looking for. The upsides there, the floors there too, as
- 7:22Speaker 1: at least I would say a back end starter. The
- 7:25Speaker 1: Phillies didn't have to give up Andrew Paynter. They didn't
- 7:28Speaker 1: have to give up Aden Miller. That's their best pitcher.
- 7:31Speaker 1: And then Miller's their best position player along with Justin Crawford.
- 7:34Speaker 1: So able's up there, but it's probably not their top
- 7:38Speaker 1: three in terms of prospects. And this is a guy
- 7:40Speaker 1: for two and a half years now that, if he's healthy,
- 7:43Speaker 1: is a top five closer in the sport for the Phillies.
- 7:47Speaker 1: I remember seeing the last few days reports like, oh,
- 7:50Speaker 1: the asking price for some of these guys is off
- 7:52Speaker 1: the charts. I saw that. I was like that, looks okay.
- 7:56Speaker 1: I actually thought they would get a little bit more,
- 7:58Speaker 1: probably one more guy from the Phillies or from someone else.
- 8:01Speaker 1: You know. The Phillies won this because they're a little
- 8:03Speaker 1: bit more aggressive. Dave Dombrowski is more aggressive than most
- 8:06Speaker 1: other gms.
- 8:07Speaker 3: He doesn't let TAYI sit there as an eighteen year
- 8:12Speaker 3: old and say, oh man, in four years, this guy
- 8:14Speaker 3: could be a starting catcher. In four years, Dave Debroski's
- 8:16Speaker 3: probably won't have that job, so he doesn't care. Yeah,
- 8:18Speaker 3: and mckamblay's like he's not getting the rotation right now.
- 8:21Speaker 3: We have Painter and some other guys coming. Okay, twins enjoy.
- 8:24Speaker 3: We'll take Duran for what three years he has left,
- 8:27Speaker 3: so we know for the next three years our closer
- 8:29Speaker 3: is probably going to be Duran. Again, I love this move.
- 8:33Speaker 3: I think this is a great move. And I don't know.
- 8:38Speaker 1: And for the Phillies here here's gen Will so some
- 8:40Speaker 1: comments here as we go. Love but the Phillies have
- 8:42Speaker 1: done and I mean, yeah, now bring on Suarez. We'll
- 8:49Speaker 1: see it could be an outfielder too. Like Ken mentioned,
- 8:52Speaker 1: they're going for some of the same guys them and
- 8:55Speaker 1: the Mets. Maybe they get a Luis Robert. I think
- 8:58Speaker 1: that would be a really nice we'll add for them.
- 9:00Speaker 1: Bat Wise, Duran has postseason experience too. Four postseason appearances,
- 9:07Speaker 1: eighteen batters faced, no runs, two hits, six strikeouts, no
- 9:11Speaker 1: extra base hits. You'll take that. Yeah pretty good, Yeah,
- 9:16Speaker 1: pretty damn good when you're facing the best hitting. For me,
- 9:19Speaker 1: I'm curious on a team like the Mariners, they picked
- 9:23Speaker 1: up Josh Naylor. It sounded like, according at least some reports,
- 9:26Speaker 1: including John Hayman, that they were in on Duran and
- 9:29Speaker 1: then on Helsleyan didn't get them. I'm like, they've got
- 9:32Speaker 1: a better prospect covered in terms of what the industry
- 9:36Speaker 1: values than the Phillies for sure. I'm like, I wonder
- 9:40Speaker 1: what held them back. We'll find out at some point,
- 9:42Speaker 1: or do they get one of the other guys available,
- 9:45Speaker 1: like a Bednar or Dennis Santana, Because you figure the
- 9:47Speaker 1: Phillies are done on bullpen, so at least if you're
- 9:49Speaker 1: competing for bullpen guys, you don't have to worry about
- 9:52Speaker 1: competing against Dave Dombrowski at this point. That's big.
- 9:57Speaker 3: No, that is a big thing. But the Phillies are done.
- 9:59Speaker 3: Now what do they do next? What are the What
- 10:01Speaker 3: do the Phillies do next?
- 10:02Speaker 1: What do you want them to do? What do you
- 10:03Speaker 1: think they will outfield Luis Robert.
- 10:06Speaker 3: I don't know if he's the answer. Everyone keeps using
- 10:08Speaker 3: the name, but I mean maybe I don't know, I
- 10:10Speaker 3: just don't know. I think they need they need they
- 10:12Speaker 3: need another bat for me in order to make this
- 10:15Speaker 3: a complete roster that can win a World Series. I
- 10:19Speaker 3: think they could win a World Series now if they
- 10:20Speaker 3: if the guys stay healthy. But if they get that
- 10:23Speaker 3: one bat, this could be a really dangerous, dangerous team
- 10:26Speaker 3: come October.
- 10:27Speaker 1: What about Gene Suarez, Yeah, I mean how long is
- 10:30Speaker 1: boem out? I don't know. What if he's in the deal.
- 10:33Speaker 1: What if the Diamondbacks get Bome for next year? The
- 10:35Speaker 1: Diamonbacks are trying to compete again next year.
- 10:37Speaker 3: I mean, that's that might be the thing for Suarez.
- 10:39Speaker 1: And someone else other people.
- 10:41Speaker 3: Yeah, but I would the Phillies, I would think about that,
- 10:46Speaker 3: and because then they have the might to resign him too.
- 10:50Speaker 3: That's the thing.
- 10:50Speaker 1: And Boone's a free agent after next year. I think
- 10:52Speaker 1: he's got about maybe ten million bucks.
- 10:54Speaker 3: Okay, Yeah, would you rather have Genosuarez come in or
- 10:58Speaker 3: have Alec Bohm who he a nice player? But I mean,
- 11:02Speaker 3: if you're the Phillies, Tuirez goes there and helps let
- 11:04Speaker 3: them to the World Series, you resign him. You don't
- 11:06Speaker 3: have to worry about.
- 11:07Speaker 1: It right now. Geno, of course, yeah, and he came
- 11:10Speaker 1: right back after, you know, missing a day and looked
- 11:13Speaker 1: pretty damn good to me. His last hit ever or
- 11:15Speaker 1: his last ab ever for the Ninebacks a double. Here's
- 11:18Speaker 1: JJ Cooper from Baseball America on the prospect return for
- 11:22Speaker 1: the Twins, who are definitely in cell mode. And finally,
- 11:25Speaker 1: a big difference from last year is that bigger name
- 11:28Speaker 1: prospects are moving.
- 11:31Speaker 4: We hadn't seen a top one hundred prospect traded at
- 11:34Speaker 4: the deadline since twenty twenty three. We hadn't seen a
- 11:38Speaker 4: prospect this highly rated traded since the Wan Soto deal
- 11:41Speaker 4: at the deadline in twenty twenty two. But Yuan Duran
- 11:45Speaker 4: is now a Philly. What did the Twins get back?
- 11:48Speaker 4: Eduardo Tayit is our number fifty prospect in the game.
- 11:52Speaker 4: He is one of the best young power prospects behind
- 11:55Speaker 4: the plate that you're going to see. It is massive
- 11:59Speaker 4: raw power that he he gets do in games pretty regularly.
- 12:01Speaker 4: It's a big arm. There are questions about his ability
- 12:05Speaker 4: to catch. He's going to have to keep working on that.
- 12:06Speaker 4: That's the kind of the question that he's facing. But
- 12:09Speaker 4: the offensive upside is pretty immense. And then mckabel, he
- 12:14Speaker 4: was a top hundred prospect for US until we just
- 12:16Speaker 4: updated our list and added the MLB draftees. He was
- 12:19Speaker 4: in the nineties before that. Very nice bounce back season
- 12:22Speaker 4: for him last year kind of with a big step
- 12:24Speaker 4: back for him, but the first round pick from a
- 12:26Speaker 4: few years ago kind of solidified everything. This year has
- 12:30Speaker 4: reached the majors. I expect that he's probably going to
- 12:32Speaker 4: go into that rather depleted Twins rotation right away. Could
- 12:37Speaker 4: be a mid rotation starter if everything breaks right. So
- 12:40Speaker 4: high price was paid wander M's really good number of
- 12:43Speaker 4: prospects that got back for the Twins are going to
- 12:45Speaker 4: go right to the top of the list of prospects
- 12:47Speaker 4: we've seen traded at the deadline in recent years.
- 12:51Speaker 1: Good stop, JJ, thank you, and make sure you get
- 12:54Speaker 1: to Baseball America. Get yourself a subscription. The best in
- 12:57Speaker 1: the bids at breaking down the prospects. Yeah, hundred plus
- 13:00Speaker 1: on the fastball, you got the upper ninety splinker. He
- 13:04Speaker 1: was one of the first, if not the first guys
- 13:05Speaker 1: to really make that pitch popular in this modern era,
- 13:09Speaker 1: and he's been on fire this year. Look, we have
- 13:12Speaker 1: a reporter on the scene in the state of Pennsylvania.
- 13:15Speaker 1: Covering this trade for US. Eric Kratz is here. Kratz
- 13:18Speaker 1: Duran's got a two toh one eras giving up one
- 13:20Speaker 1: home run the entire year. How excited should Philly fans
- 13:23Speaker 1: be about this move, along with them picking up David
- 13:26Speaker 1: Robertson a week and a half ago.
- 13:28Speaker 5: Ever since Jose Alarado went down, they've been looking for
- 13:31Speaker 5: a closer. They have a legitimate, bona fide closer that's
- 13:36Speaker 5: not only just a one year rental.
- 13:40Speaker 1: That's right, two and a half years for jan Duran.
- 13:43Speaker 1: Was that important to them? Alvarado is a free agent
- 13:46Speaker 1: after this year.
- 13:48Speaker 5: He had an option that at the beginning of the
- 13:50Speaker 5: year looked like they were going to pick it up.
- 13:53Speaker 5: I think it was all It wasn't very much, but
- 13:55Speaker 5: now that he's a juicer, you know, Jim Bowden even
- 13:58Speaker 5: said it, I wouldn't bring the guy back, Like, why
- 14:01Speaker 5: pick up the option? You don't know what kind of
- 14:02Speaker 5: guy you get. I don't think it's that simple for
- 14:05Speaker 5: the Phillies. I think it could be still on the table.
- 14:08Speaker 5: But yeah, it's always great to lock down your closer role,
- 14:14Speaker 5: and you know you do it in a trade for
- 14:17Speaker 5: Mick Abel, who filled in admirably and for his first
- 14:20Speaker 5: doubting you know, kind of his strikeout numbers kind of
- 14:23Speaker 5: like kind of came back to the mean a little bit.
- 14:27Speaker 5: He's not gonna be that monster strikeout starter, but it
- 14:31Speaker 5: seems like he can be, like JJ said, more like
- 14:35Speaker 5: a three in a rotation. I think might be his ceiling.
- 14:38Speaker 5: And they never even had to touch Andrew Paynter, so
- 14:41Speaker 5: who they feel could be a one or two in
- 14:44Speaker 5: a rotation.
- 14:45Speaker 1: Yeah, good work by them on that front. And also
- 14:48Speaker 1: just a reminder, Jose Alvarado is gonna come back, but
- 14:50Speaker 1: he can't pitch in the postseason. That's why getting someone
- 14:54Speaker 1: like this was so important too for the Phillies. And
- 14:57Speaker 1: this helps to solidify the bullpen one here on the
- 15:00Speaker 1: fills and then we'll transition to the Mets Krats. Anything
- 15:04Speaker 1: else left for the gun slinger Dave Dombrowski, he said
- 15:07Speaker 1: he's done on the bullpen front. You got two things left.
- 15:11Speaker 5: I would have said he needed one more in the bullpen.
- 15:13Speaker 5: That's saying that David Robertson is who David Robertson is.
- 15:17Speaker 3: I get it.
- 15:17Speaker 5: He said they're done on the bullpen front. But I
- 15:22Speaker 5: just I feel like, yes, you go Duran, you go Kirkering,
- 15:27Speaker 5: you go Matt Strom. We've seen plenty of teams when
- 15:32Speaker 5: the World Series the last two years? Do they have
- 15:34Speaker 5: only three guys? Is that all they have? Like it's
- 15:39Speaker 5: something that you wonder do you want to have that
- 15:42Speaker 5: fourth solid guy? Now, if they're done on the bullpen,
- 15:47Speaker 5: then to me, that means kind of what Jim said
- 15:50Speaker 5: earlier today, Maybe they'll go big. Maybe they'll go big
- 15:54Speaker 5: in the position player, because I think it's gonna take
- 15:57Speaker 5: something big to get a your Hitosuarez. All depends where
- 16:01Speaker 5: they feel. Like Alec Bohm is, do the Diamondbacks want
- 16:04Speaker 5: a would it be a bomb for Suarez type of yeah?
- 16:10Speaker 1: But more but absolutely more.
- 16:13Speaker 5: But I'm saying where they get a big league baseball
- 16:15Speaker 5: player to step in for next year in Bom, I think.
- 16:20Speaker 1: That's certainly possible for them. And we can cross off
- 16:22Speaker 1: two names that were potentially going for him, the Yankees
- 16:25Speaker 1: and the Reds. They got their third baseman. So now
- 16:28Speaker 1: you're probably down to four ish teams, right, Bubbs, Tigers, Phillies, Phillies, Mariners, Astros, Astros.
- 16:36Speaker 1: So five right, five teams and I'm sure someone will
- 16:40Speaker 1: tell us we're forgetting about someone in the comments, but
- 16:42Speaker 1: we love you. Let's get to the New York Metropolitans.
- 16:47Speaker 1: S n Y Inside covers the Yankees and the Mets.
- 16:49Speaker 1: Andy Martine joining us right now. Andy, thanks for the
- 16:52Speaker 1: time this evening, and wow, we had a big day
- 16:55Speaker 1: that we saw from the Metropolitans. So what do you
- 16:58Speaker 1: think about the return for them getting both rogers who
- 17:01Speaker 1: can do a lot of things out of the bullpen
- 17:03Speaker 1: and give them a variety that they're looking for. Plus
- 17:07Speaker 1: Ryan Helsley to go along with Edwin Diez for eight
- 17:09Speaker 1: to nine. That's special, not.
- 17:12Speaker 6: Bad in Gregory Soto last week. They've jumped the lefty
- 17:15Speaker 6: market there already. So yeah, the Mets have done quite
- 17:19Speaker 6: a bit to go all in on their bullpen and
- 17:21Speaker 6: gave up some prospects that hurt them a little bit,
- 17:25Speaker 6: guys that their player development people.
- 17:26Speaker 7: Liked in both deals today.
- 17:29Speaker 6: But what this tells you, I think is a couple
- 17:32Speaker 6: of things about David Stearns that you like if you're
- 17:34Speaker 6: a Mets fan, is that he is not one of
- 17:39Speaker 6: these gms. Despite the Harvard degree and the quarter zip
- 17:43Speaker 6: and the whole modern profile that he seemed the part
- 17:47Speaker 6: that he seems to play.
- 17:48Speaker 7: He's not one of these gms.
- 17:49Speaker 6: That is going to be overly cautious and probabilistic. He's
- 17:54Speaker 6: pushing some chips into the middle of the table here
- 17:56Speaker 6: and saying, yes, some of these guys might hurt me.
- 17:59Speaker 6: You've got the stuff up with the screen right now, Baiez, Dome,
- 18:02Speaker 6: Tidwell or three guys that could hurt to give up.
- 18:06Speaker 6: But the Mets understand that the next two years are
- 18:10Speaker 6: their best window to win a World Series for a
- 18:12Speaker 6: couple of reasons. One, Francisco Lindor and Brandon Nima aren't
- 18:16Speaker 6: getting any older, or excuse me, aren't getting any younger.
- 18:18Speaker 7: We're all getting older.
- 18:20Speaker 6: And you know, obviously Soto is in the core of
- 18:23Speaker 6: his prime right now, twenty six years old. Labor uncertainty
- 18:27Speaker 6: in twenty seven is a factor here, not just because
- 18:29Speaker 6: we don't know what that season is going to look like,
- 18:32Speaker 6: but because, for all the Mets know, there could be
- 18:34Speaker 6: new financial rules in place at that point that limit
- 18:37Speaker 6: Steve Cohen's ability to use his financial resources. That's a
- 18:41Speaker 6: whole other topic, but it's one of the things in
- 18:43Speaker 6: the mix that they're thinking about. So it's like, let's
- 18:46Speaker 6: go all in now, and it shows you that Stearns
- 18:49Speaker 6: has got that instinct to be a little bit of
- 18:50Speaker 6: a gambler rather than just that guy going well, Ryan
- 18:54Speaker 6: Helsley improves their playoff odds by three point six percent.
- 18:58Speaker 7: So do we really want to.
- 18:59Speaker 6: Give up eleven years of control? That's not what the
- 19:01Speaker 6: Mets are thinking like right now.
- 19:03Speaker 1: They're all in how much has changed with the Mets
- 19:06Speaker 1: farm system in the last few years. I mean, you see, well,
- 19:10Speaker 1: one of the guys that goes back in these deals
- 19:14Speaker 1: was was Drew Gilbert right in the in the that
- 19:18Speaker 1: was the earlier deal, the Rogers deal, who was acquired
- 19:21Speaker 1: in that justin Verlander trade? Right, So they did do
- 19:24Speaker 1: this like short reload to try and boost up their
- 19:27Speaker 1: farm system. So you know, you mentioned, yeah, it definitely hurts,
- 19:30Speaker 1: But how much better off was their farm system heading
- 19:33Speaker 1: into this season? And side question, how much does it
- 19:37Speaker 1: help for them to have this pitching development machine going
- 19:40Speaker 1: for them so that they can line and say, you
- 19:42Speaker 1: know what, we actually can grow some of these players here.
- 19:47Speaker 6: That's an on point question, Scott. The first one though,
- 19:51Speaker 6: they definitely have a solid farm system where they haven't
- 19:56Speaker 6: dealt any of their top guys and won't deal any
- 19:58Speaker 6: of their top guys despite being all in. And Bill
- 20:00Speaker 6: Up deserves some credit for that because he went and
- 20:01Speaker 6: got Drew Gilbert. Steve Cohen too, because if you remember
- 20:04Speaker 6: that trade deadline, he ate a lot of money on
- 20:06Speaker 6: Burlander insures her to get prospects back. But a guy
- 20:09Speaker 6: like Gilbert becomes an asset that can either become an
- 20:12Speaker 6: outfielder for you down the line or a trade piece,
- 20:15Speaker 6: and obviously the Mets chose the latter, so that helps,
- 20:17Speaker 6: and they reloaded at that trade dot deadline under Eppler,
- 20:21Speaker 6: and then the pitching piece. Yeah, that's one hundred percent
- 20:23Speaker 6: what the Mets are thinking. They're good at developing pitchers.
- 20:26Speaker 6: They feel like they know how to do it, so
- 20:29Speaker 6: you can trade a guy like Blake Blade Tidwell, excuse
- 20:33Speaker 6: me who they do like? I mean, he projects is
- 20:36Speaker 6: probably a future reliever of a back end starter, so
- 20:40Speaker 6: you can part with a guy with that profile. But
- 20:42Speaker 6: still they're confident, to your point, Scott, that they can
- 20:45Speaker 6: develop the next guy. They can deplete a little from
- 20:49Speaker 6: their pitching and their system and still be able to
- 20:53Speaker 6: churn out pictures. Having said that, I see you're putting
- 20:55Speaker 6: up the tweet teas to my column right there. It's
- 20:59Speaker 6: like the first blush reaction in the industry. Was it
- 21:02Speaker 6: to that trade the giant's trade? Earlier today? Like I
- 21:05Speaker 6: was getting a lot of texts like this can't be real, right,
- 21:08Speaker 6: what the heck?
- 21:08Speaker 7: What you know? What the bleep? But what is this?
- 21:10Speaker 6: Because they gave up a lot of prospect capital, a
- 21:12Speaker 6: lot of years of control. But again it speaks to yeah,
- 21:15Speaker 6: relievers are expensive, but we're trying to win the World Series.
- 21:17Speaker 5: Or what because they've built a bullpen. Tell me if
- 21:21Speaker 5: I'm wrong, and they're doing it in the trade kind
- 21:24Speaker 5: of like the twenty twenty or twenty twenty one rays
- 21:27Speaker 5: where you got a lefty and Sodo coming from here,
- 21:30Speaker 5: ninety nine Ryan Hellsley over top Edwin Diaz over coming
- 21:35Speaker 5: from the side, and then you got Tyler Rogers. Is
- 21:37Speaker 5: that a Do you feel like it's a concerted effort
- 21:40Speaker 5: to have such unique profiles as pictures or was it
- 21:44Speaker 5: just we're collecting the best we can collect.
- 21:48Speaker 7: No, that's a good question.
- 21:49Speaker 1: Eric.
- 21:50Speaker 6: I can't claim to have asked that direct question to
- 21:52Speaker 6: David Stearns today, but there's no doubt that they mean
- 21:56Speaker 6: they think of everything and I thought of that too,
- 21:59Speaker 6: And sure I'm not.
- 22:00Speaker 7: Certainly we're not the only ones.
- 22:01Speaker 6: All the different looks, all the different arm angles, and
- 22:05Speaker 6: and that's gotta be. I mean, I've never I've never
- 22:08Speaker 6: been in a major league batter's box like two of
- 22:10Speaker 6: you have, but I can imagine that inning to inning
- 22:13Speaker 6: facing looks that are that different in a playoff game
- 22:17Speaker 6: or in any game has to be extra hard.
- 22:20Speaker 7: So for sure that that helps Andy.
- 22:24Speaker 3: What's next for the Mets? What else did they need?
- 22:26Speaker 3: I mean, they solidified their bullpen. Right with the three
- 22:29Speaker 3: trades they've made, what would be next for the Mets
- 22:31Speaker 3: wish list?
- 22:33Speaker 6: So I do think aja that they did a lot
- 22:36Speaker 6: of their heavy lifting today. Obviously they built this, this
- 22:40Speaker 6: terrific bullpen where they had a bullpen when we woke
- 22:44Speaker 6: up this morning that wasn't really ready for the postseason.
- 22:47Speaker 6: So having accomplished the thing that they needed to accomplish
- 22:51Speaker 6: to become World Series contenders, now they can do the
- 22:53Speaker 6: thing that they want to accomplish but isn't a need,
- 22:56Speaker 6: which is we'll try to lengthen the lineup a little bit.
- 23:00Speaker 6: Most likely place to do that is center field. They've
- 23:03Speaker 6: obviously been talking to the White Sox about the center
- 23:05Speaker 6: fielder that is the hottest commodity right now. They've talked
- 23:08Speaker 6: to Mark Fiento, White talks about Mark Fiento's about Louis
- 23:12Speaker 6: and Helicunya. I made a call around eight thirty eight
- 23:15Speaker 6: forty five tonight, so about an hour ago, and nothing
- 23:19Speaker 6: was hot or imminent on any center field front, whether
- 23:23Speaker 6: it's Mullins or Robert Junior or anyone. But as when
- 23:28Speaker 6: they wake up tomorrow or maybe as they work into
- 23:31Speaker 6: the wee hours tonight, they could try to reignite at
- 23:33Speaker 6: centerfield talk.
- 23:34Speaker 7: But look, they understand that.
- 23:38Speaker 6: Center field would be better if Jeff McNeil weren't your
- 23:41Speaker 6: everyday center fielder in the playoffs. But they understand that
- 23:43Speaker 6: unlike where they were at with the bullpen, they can survive.
- 23:46Speaker 7: With McNeil in center.
- 23:49Speaker 1: Andy. The Met's had a nice little seven game win
- 23:51Speaker 1: streak recently, but they just ran into a Padres buds
- 23:55Speaker 1: and I know they don't generally play great over there,
- 23:57Speaker 1: and the Padres were playing up to the competition here.
- 24:01Speaker 1: Do you think that having a bad series like this
- 24:04Speaker 1: against San Diego and seeing there what foreheaded monster bullpen
- 24:08Speaker 1: and yet they're potentially still going after another one. Partially
- 24:12Speaker 1: sparked this from David Stearns, Like, like you mentioned we
- 24:14Speaker 1: got Soto, now, we picked up two other high leverage
- 24:17Speaker 1: arms to go along with DZ plus Reed Garrett's had
- 24:21Speaker 1: a great year. Sanaos got Raelian Sodo. Like now, in
- 24:25Speaker 1: my mind, I'm looking at their pen on paper and
- 24:28Speaker 1: I'm like, for a playoff bullpen, this is probably a
- 24:31Speaker 1: top three, if not at the worst, top five bullpen
- 24:34Speaker 1: in baseball. So did they take a page out of
- 24:36Speaker 1: San Diego's book here?
- 24:38Speaker 6: I'd probably not explicitly, Scott, because I know they identified
- 24:42Speaker 6: bullpen for a long time in weeks as they were
- 24:44Speaker 6: preparing for the deadline to like, you have to improve
- 24:46Speaker 6: the bullpen. But the Padres certainly give an example right
- 24:50Speaker 6: in front of their faces this week of why that's
- 24:52Speaker 6: so important for sure, and I agree with you. They
- 24:54Speaker 6: have a top playoff bullpen now and that's mission accomplished
- 24:58Speaker 6: for the trade deadline and it's not not even the
- 25:00Speaker 6: day of, so that's got to be a pretty good
- 25:02Speaker 6: feeling for them.
- 25:04Speaker 1: Andy, We appreciate the time, thanks for hopping on with
- 25:06Speaker 1: us this evening, and happy trade deadline Day two. You
- 25:10Speaker 1: coming up tomorrow.
- 25:12Speaker 7: All right, guys, thanks anytime.
- 25:13Speaker 1: Thank you. Make sure you check out Andy at Martino
- 25:17Speaker 1: NYC on Twitter. He's going to be on S and
- 25:19Speaker 1: Y of course, covering the deals that go down over
- 25:22Speaker 1: the next what is it now, fourteen hours something like that.
- 25:26Speaker 1: All right, So let's finish strong here, ft fan. We
- 25:28Speaker 1: got about five minutes to go. Two things to cover.
- 25:32Speaker 1: Number one. We did have another trade while we were
- 25:34Speaker 1: doing this. The Cubs get a starter, Mike Soroka, and
- 25:40Speaker 1: Cubs fans are thinking big and they need a guy
- 25:44Speaker 1: to start a playoff game for them. Is Mike Soroka,
- 25:47Speaker 1: that guy coming from the Nats. He's twenty seven years old,
- 25:51Speaker 1: He's got about a strikeout, printing close to a five
- 25:54Speaker 1: era and sixteen starts, right handed pitcher. Tough ballpark at times,
- 26:00Speaker 1: Nationals Park, No, no, no, Chicago could be tough.
- 26:05Speaker 3: Nationals Park isn't tough.
- 26:06Speaker 1: No Chicago could be tough.
- 26:07Speaker 3: This is what the Cubs fans were expecting.
- 26:09Speaker 1: But exactly right.
- 26:11Speaker 3: It's a depth peace for him. It's a death peace
- 26:14Speaker 3: for him. It's a death peace with you know, where
- 26:16Speaker 3: they're out in their rotation, with their starting rotation. It's
- 26:19Speaker 3: a death piece Horton. Kate Horton hasn't pitched as much ever,
- 26:22Speaker 3: Tian's banged up a little bit, right, and Monaga hasn't
- 26:25Speaker 3: been great because the last few starts. It's a depth
- 26:27Speaker 3: peast for him.
- 26:28Speaker 5: It makes sense.
- 26:29Speaker 3: Yeah, they already lost Steel, right, so it's a death
- 26:32Speaker 3: piece and if they need to, he can make him
- 26:33Speaker 3: into a swing guy. If they get to the postseason,
- 26:35Speaker 3: he can be a long, you know, three four inning
- 26:37Speaker 3: reliever if they need him something like that.
- 26:39Speaker 1: A lot of teams wanted him as a reliever in
- 26:41Speaker 1: the offseason, and the Nationals were like, we'll pay you
- 26:43Speaker 1: to be a starter, and he wants to be a starter.
- 26:45Speaker 1: But teams think he can really tick up. Didn't he
- 26:48Speaker 1: do that last year? I think it was And I
- 26:51Speaker 1: feel like I remember seeing him out of the bullpen
- 26:53Speaker 1: last year and his stuff was up like three miles
- 26:55Speaker 1: an hour out of the bullpen. So maybe that's another
- 26:58Speaker 1: piece for them. But Cubs fans are expecting something big.
- 27:02Speaker 1: They're expecting some big potentially two big things. I mean,
- 27:06Speaker 1: they can use they need another like a big game
- 27:09Speaker 1: starter and then Kratz maybe a bullpen piece, maybe a
- 27:13Speaker 1: third baseman. To me, I think it's the starter. I mean,
- 27:18Speaker 1: they need a starter.
- 27:19Speaker 5: They need they need Chota or Jamison to if not both,
- 27:25Speaker 5: to come back to form prime form by the playoffs.
- 27:28Speaker 5: But man, I think I get it that they're in
- 27:32Speaker 5: on third base. I just I wonder if I don't
- 27:37Speaker 5: care about the development of Matt Shaw. I just wonder
- 27:40Speaker 5: if this team's playing well, if what they do with him,
- 27:43Speaker 5: you send him down to Triple A. I guess if
- 27:47Speaker 5: you can get a Hinny Suarez, yes, but not if
- 27:50Speaker 5: it's just like a kind of replacement like they passed.
- 27:53Speaker 5: In my opinion, they passed on Alex Bregman in the offseason.
- 27:57Speaker 5: Maybe they never passed on them, maybe they never were
- 27:59Speaker 5: in in those sweepstakes.
- 28:03Speaker 1: They sent an offer, it just wasn't as big as
- 28:05Speaker 1: the other ones.
- 28:06Speaker 5: So they passed because they felt like they had Matt Shaw.
- 28:08Speaker 5: Now they've seen Matt Shaw. Are they happy with what
- 28:11Speaker 5: they have?
- 28:13Speaker 1: To me?
- 28:13Speaker 5: I think the starter is to play.
- 28:15Speaker 1: They have the defense or a very good defense from Shaw, right,
- 28:19Speaker 1: better than expected.
- 28:20Speaker 3: They thought he hit. They just thought you weren't sure
- 28:22Speaker 3: about his defense.
- 28:23Speaker 1: Been the reverse. Yeah, yeah, some people think and Wrigley
- 28:28Speaker 1: might not be kind for Soroka. He has been much
- 28:31Speaker 1: better two or fewer and runs in five of his
- 28:34Speaker 1: last six addings. But, like Aj mentioned, depth piece for
- 28:41Speaker 1: the Cubs at this point, we'll see what else they have.
- 28:44Speaker 1: And I mean they could have called up Owen Casey.
- 28:47Speaker 1: Just now for Ian Happ who hit the shelf, he
- 28:50Speaker 1: doesn't get called up. I think he's going to get
- 28:52Speaker 1: dealt or that could be the big piece they deal
- 28:55Speaker 1: with is pretty big profitect you mentioned him earlier. I
- 28:57Speaker 1: think if Ian Happ goes down and they think they're
- 29:00Speaker 1: keeping everyone, he maybe gets the call. They called it
- 29:03Speaker 1: ballisteros Who's who's gonna guess be more of the d
- 29:06Speaker 1: H kind of role for them. So we'll see everything's
- 29:08Speaker 1: about to change for them. So all right, let's finish
- 29:10Speaker 1: strong here we have we have a little chart that
- 29:13Speaker 1: you sent me that they.
- 29:14Speaker 3: Need to build a statue of me in Minnesota.
- 29:16Speaker 1: I'm just saying, can you read this too, because this
- 29:19Speaker 1: is going to go on the podcast later for the
- 29:20Speaker 1: listening crowd later, So can you just read or explain.
- 29:23Speaker 3: It's twenty two thousand and three off season. I was
- 29:26Speaker 3: traded to the Giants from the Twins for Joe Nathan Francisco,
- 29:30Speaker 3: Loriano and booth Bonzer. Joe Nathan went on to be
- 29:32Speaker 3: a Hall of Famer. For the Twins, Loriano had a
- 29:34Speaker 3: unbelievable career. For the Twins, they traded Francisco Loriano for
- 29:40Speaker 3: Eduardo Escobar and Pedro Hernandez, who I don't even know who.
- 29:44Speaker 3: That is the important part here is Eduardo Escobar, who
- 29:47Speaker 3: I then who then was trade who was traded from
- 29:50Speaker 3: the White Sox, who was my teammate for Lariano or
- 29:54Speaker 3: from from the Twins to the White Sox whatever.
- 29:56Speaker 1: White Twins.
- 29:58Speaker 3: Loriano was the Twins, they went back for each other,
- 30:01Speaker 3: so they were traded for each other. Then Eduardo Escobar
- 30:03Speaker 3: was traded from the Twins for Gabriel Maybe who cares.
- 30:11Speaker 3: Johan Durant was the main piece, so edwardo Oskebar was
- 30:14Speaker 3: traded for two guys in Duran Right. Then Durant was
- 30:17Speaker 3: traded for Mick Abel and Eduardo Tay. So twenty two
- 30:21Speaker 3: years later, I'm still helping the Twins. So Twins, build
- 30:26Speaker 3: me the statue. Build me the statue, okay, because I'm
- 30:30Speaker 3: still helping your team and I haven't been there in
- 30:32Speaker 3: over twenty years. So one of the best trades of
- 30:36Speaker 3: all time for the Twins was trading me away and
- 30:38Speaker 3: they got Joe Mauer is in the Hall of Fame
- 30:41Speaker 3: and the Giants. You know what they got, dippity nothing.
- 30:44Speaker 1: Well, they got you for one year.
- 30:47Speaker 3: And then they signed Mike BETHENI. How'd that go?
- 30:51Speaker 5: I think they just need to n they need to
- 30:54Speaker 5: put your statue in the Metrodome. That's where they need
- 30:56Speaker 5: to put your statue.
- 30:58Speaker 3: One of the few trades that Brian's Avian missed on,
- 31:01Speaker 3: not because I had a bad year either, but because
- 31:04Speaker 3: I beat him in arbitration and they told me I'd
- 31:05Speaker 3: only be there one year. But then I ended up
- 31:08Speaker 3: with the White Sox that won the world too, So
- 31:10Speaker 3: it worked out for everybody.
- 31:11Speaker 1: Six degrees of aj present.
- 31:13Speaker 3: It's still going because who knows later down the road,
- 31:15Speaker 3: make abone how you could be traded for something else.
- 31:18Speaker 3: So that came from Dustin Morris, the Twins crack pr guy.
- 31:21Speaker 3: That was pretty funny.
- 31:22Speaker 1: That's a really good chart. That's that's freaking crazy. It's crazy, right, Yeah,
- 31:26Speaker 1: that's crazy. That just went down tonight and you are
- 31:30Speaker 1: legit connected to it. You know. Sometimes they do the
- 31:33Speaker 1: degrees of separation where it's like this person faced this
- 31:35Speaker 1: person for one a. It's like these are direct trades
- 31:38Speaker 1: leading up to right now. That's that's good ship trade
- 31:42Speaker 1: deadline special for you. We're gonna get some rest. Okay,
- 31:44Speaker 1: this was a nice, fun thirty bonus show because we
- 31:47Speaker 1: had some big deals tonight. But one to six Eastern
- 31:50Speaker 1: for you tomorrow. We'll bring on a ton of guests.
- 31:52Speaker 1: We'll bring people on as moves go down. We'll give
- 31:56Speaker 1: good depth to every trade in terms of breaking it
- 31:58Speaker 1: down that happens. And I think there are going to
- 32:01Speaker 1: be a ton because most teams haven't done much yet,
- 32:04Speaker 1: starters haven't moved. There's still a reliever market there. There's
- 32:07Speaker 1: a few bats that should definitely get moved, like a
- 32:10Speaker 1: Gino Suarez. I would think Luis Robert, I would think
- 32:13Speaker 1: Cedric Mullins, Ryan O'Hearn. There's a lot to do tomorrow,
- 32:17Speaker 1: so get some rest. Everyone, We got a big day.
- 32:19Speaker 1: We'll see you then