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Ghislaine Maxwell And The Deposition That Led To Her Downfall (Part 11) (5/16/26) · The Vault: The Epstein Files

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  Speaker 1: What's up everyone, and welcome back to the Epstein Chronicles. Well, folks,
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  it might be a new year, but here on the
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  podcast we have the same old villains, and today we're
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  going to continue right along with the Glene Maxwell deposition
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  and continue eating this elephant one bite at a time.
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  So let's just dive right back in and pick up
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  where we left off. McCauley, did you have an attorney
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  to consult with during the criminal investigation of Jeffrey Epstein? Maxwell,
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  I don't believe that I did. McCauley, when did you
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  learn that a search warrant was executed for the Palm
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  Beach house? Maxwell, I don't recall exactly, McCauley, were you
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  present at the house in advance of the search warrant
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  and being executed? Mister Pagliuca object to the form of
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  the question. Maxwell, I don't remember when the search warrant
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  was executed, and I don't remember the year that the
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  search warrant was executed, And whenever that was, I already testified.
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  I was very very infrequently at the house, so very
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  highly unlikely, but I was there a couple of days.
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  I just don't know which days it was in relation
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  to the police situation. McCauley, did you have a computer
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  at the Palm Beach home that was a computer that
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  you would use? Maxwell? No, McCauley, Was there a computer
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  available for use in the pom Beach house? Maxwell? Can
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  you be more specific, McCauley, was there anywhere in the
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  Palm Beach house where there was a computer where you
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  said you worked for him and there were other staff
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  in the house. Was there ever a computer in the
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  Palm Beach mansion that was accessible by you or the
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  other staff. Mister Pagliuca, objection to the form and the foundation. Maxwell.
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  I stopped being regularly at the house sometime in two
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  thousand and three, So from two thousand and three to
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  when the police search was executed, I have no memory
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  of what was there or what was not. I could
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  only testify for what was there when I was present, largely, McCauley.
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  So in two thousand and three, when you were still there,
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  was there a computer that was accessible to you or
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  other staff in the house. Mister Pagliuca, objection to the
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  form and the foundation. Maxwell. There was a desktop computer
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  people could use, just like you would use if you
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  needed to go online to get something that people could
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  go use, McCauley. Was that on a desk that you
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  would use in your work capacity when you were at
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  the house, Maxwell, it was a desk, it was a
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  room I was. I didn't really use that computer, McCauley.
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  Were there images of naked girls, whether they be under
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  the age of eighteen or over the age of eighteen
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  on that computer? Maxwell? I have no recollection of any
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  naked people on that computer when I was there in
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  two thousand and three. We were talking, McCauley, what about
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  from say, nineteen ninety nine to two thousand and three, Maxwell, No,
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  I can't reckon any naked pictures McAuley. Why were the
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  computers removed from the house before the search warrant was executed? Oh?
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  Another question that I've asked a bazillion times. And by
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  the way, all of you should be taking a victory
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  lap right now because all the stuff that we've been
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  talking about, at least here on this podcast, all these
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  receipts are coming out now to approve it all correct.
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  So for those of you who have been out here
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  telling this story the correct way to your friends, your family,
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  anybody who's interested, well, you deserve a pat on your
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  shoulder for not falling into the salacious bullshit that all
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  these other clowns fell into. And it's a testament to
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  the kind of people you are that you didn't fall
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  into that trap. Instead, you stayed laser focused on questions
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  such as why were the computers removed from the house
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  before a search warrant was executed? A very simple question,
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  but one that rings loudly. And you would think that
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  things like this, when we're talking about this whole entire
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  disgusting escapade, would be things that would be in the forefront,
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  considering that if the computer was removed before the house
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  was raided, that means somebody tip them off. So the
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  question is who tip them off? But instead of asking
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  that question, we have more bullshit about people saying that
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  so and so's eating children, or this one's on the island,
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  or that one's on the island. Meanwhile, the focus has
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  entirely been taken off the ball. The good news that
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  won't happen around these parts. Instead, we're gonna be like
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  a dog with a bone, going through these documents and
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  then peppering it up with the various articles that come
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  out along the way. But all the salacious bullshit If
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  that's what you're looking for, you're in the wrong place.
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  We don't need to add salacious bullshit. This story is
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  disgusting enough on its own. Mister Pagliuka, objection to the
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  Form and the Foundation. Maxwell, I have no knowledge of
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  anything like that. No, of course she doesn't. McAuley. Do
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  you know where the computers are now? Pagliuka objection to
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  the Form and the Foundation. Maxwell, Well, I don't know
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  what computer as you're talking of, and I have no
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  idea what you're referencing. McCauley. In two thousand and three,
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  you said there was a computer in a room on
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  a desk. Maxwell, right, McCauley, do you know where that
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  computer is now? Maxwell? I do not. McCauley, did you
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  take pictures of nude females in any of Epstein's homes,
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  or in and around the homes out by the pool
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  or anywhere like in the Palm Beach home, the New
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  York Home, USVI home, or the New Mexico home. Mister Pagliuca,
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  objection to the Form and the Foundation. Maxwell, can you
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  repeat the question, McCauley, did you take pictures of nude
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  women over eighteen or under eighteen? Females in any of
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  Jeffrey Epstein's homes inside or outside, in or around the home. Maxwell,
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  I think we need to distinguish between anyone under the
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  age of eighteen and over the age of eighteen. McCauley.
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  We will start with, did you take pictures of nude
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  females in or around any Jeffreys' homes of women or
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  females that were under the age of eighteen? Maxwell, No, McCauley,
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  did you take pictures of nude females Maxwell? Nude you
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  mean with no clothing on, McCauley, or half nude, with
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  no top on, any sort of nakedness to an individual
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  in any of Jeffrey's homes, either Palm Beach, New Mexico,
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  USVII or New York, either outside by the pool, anywhere
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  in or around those homes of females over the age
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  of eighteen. Maxwell. So it is possible that I took
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  pictures of people that were somehow semi or had some
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  clothing on or no clothes on. But at no time
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  were any of these pictures remotely inappropriate. They were you
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  could see them in a mainstream magazine today. There would
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  be no inappropriateness. They would be covered, concealed, You wouldn't
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  see anything at all. The types of first I took
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  very few, and they were always by request. This was
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  a picture you could put on your gift to your
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  parent or to your grandparents, to put on their mantlepiece.
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  It would be a very benign, sort of attractive picture
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  where you wouldn't see anything. McCauley. Who would request those pictures? Maxwell?
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  From time to time, people men and women would ask
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  to have a nice photograph of them taken. McCauley. And
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  did Jeffrey Epstein request those pictures? Maxwell? I don't ever
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  recall him asking me to take pictures. McCauley. Did you
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  give them pictures of naked females as a president? Maxwell,
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  I don't ever recall giving a president of I don't
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  know why a photograph would constitute a gift, McCauley, Not
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  as a gift. Do you recall ever giving Jeffrey Epstein
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  pictures that you've taken of these individuals in a naked state.
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  Mister Pagliuca objection to the form and the foundation Maxwell.
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  First of all, we've already established that they are not
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  naked state photographs. McCauley. A piece of them being naked
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  as you described Maxwell. Well, I said they would be
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  attractive as you would see in mainstream magazines, and those
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  pictures could be a picture of a hand or a foot,
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  they didn't necessarily constitute. Look, I know where you're headed
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  with this, and it's nowhere appropriate and it's really unattractive. McCauley,
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  I'm not headed anywhere. I'm just asking the questions. Did
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  you give Jeffrey Epstein any of these pictures that you
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  took of females in the state that you described Maxwell?
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  I can't recall ever giving him pictures, but it's possible
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  that I took pictures of people that would end up
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  or a friend of his, that he would have not
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  naked or not inappropriate in any way, that he might
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  have somewhere in his house. McCauley, name for me all
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  the individuals who you took the pictures of Maxwell. It's
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  entirely impossible for me to name people. First of all,
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  it was just it would not be possible. I took
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  thousands of photos, not of people, mostly take pictures of
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  landscapes and things. I have no recollections specific of people
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  that I took pictures of. McCauley. So you can't remember.
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  Is it your testimony? You can't remember one person that
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  you took pictures of in either a naked or a
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  semi naked state. Maxwell, I seriously cannot recall. I just
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  don't recall, McCauley, did you take pictures of Virginia Roberts,
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  either alone or with another individual in a naked state? Maxwell,
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  I have never taken, I believe, any pictures of two
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  people and any type of situation naked as you describe, McCauley,
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  did you ever take a picture of Virginia Roberts on
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  our own without another individual in it in a naked state? Maxwell,
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  I don't ever recall taking a picture of Virginia naked.
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  We are not referring to someone with no clothing on
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  at all. We were referring to someone that could be
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  semi clad, or it could have had a towel, or
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  We're not referring to anything that's inappropriate, as if having
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  a minor at your house dressed in a towel and
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  you taking pictures of them isn't inappropriate on its own, McCauley,
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  was this a hobby of yours to take pictures of
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  that type that you were describing, mister Pagliuca objects to
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  the form. Maxwell I just testified. I didn't take pictures
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  of many people. My preference is pictures for landscapes and
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  for architectural pieces. McCauley, where are those pictures today? Maxwell?
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  I have no idea. McCauley. Do you have them in
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  your home? Maxwell? I do not. McCauley, do you have
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  them on your computer? Maxwell? I do not. McCauley, what
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  has Jeffrey Epstein told you about the allegations related to
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  the criminal investigation that he was involved in. Maxwell, I
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  really can't say, not because I don't want to say,
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  but I just think of what he has said to
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  me over the course of this time. McCauley, did he
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  explain to you and explain what the charges were against them? Maxwell?
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  I never had a detailed conversation with them, as I recall, McCauley,
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  not detailed, just did he expla playing anything that was
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  happening to him? Maxwell, I haven't spoken to him for
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  a long time. I can't possibly testify to what conversations
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  I had with him over the course of that time. McCauley,
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  did he talk to you about any of the girls
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  that were making allegations against him? Other than Virginia mister
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  Pagliuka objection to the form and the foundation. Maxwell, you
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  were talking about the police records again, all of that. McCauley, Yes, Maxwell,
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  I have never had a conversation about those things. McCauley,
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  What has Jeffrey Epstein told you about Virginia Roberts Maxwell
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  that she's a liar? McCauley, what does he base that on?
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  Mister Pagliuka objection to the form and the foundation. Maxwell,
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  you would have to check with him. I can tell
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  you why I think she is a liar. I'm happy
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  to do that. McCauley. Did he ever tell you he
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  did not have sexual relations with Virginia Roberts Maxwell? I
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  can only testify to what I know. McCauley. I'm asking,
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  has he told you that he did not have sexual
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  relations with Virginia Roberts Maxwell. I can only tell you
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  what I know about Virginia Roberts. I cannot tell you
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  what he knows about Virginia Roberts. McCauley, I'm asking, did
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  he tell you that he did not have sexual relations
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  with Virginia Roberts Maxwell. All he told me is that
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  she is a liar, McCauley, that's all he said about
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  Virginia Roberts. Maxwell. We went through all the lies that
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  you have sold to the papers and sold in general,
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  and we have analyzed or lies in your lies, and
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  you're inappropriate behavior in detail. McCauley. Did he ever say
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  that he did not have sexual relations with Virginia Roberts? Maxwell?
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  I just testified that we went through all of our lies. McCauley,
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  I understand what you said. I'm asking you a question.
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  Did he ever tell you that he never had sex
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  with Virginia Roberts? Maxwell? I don't recall whether he ever.
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  I don't know I ever had that question. We focused
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  on the lies she did say she had with him,
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  as it relates to me. I don't remember asking him
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  about his problems with her. I'm interested in what she
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  says about myself. McCauley. Did you also talk about the
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  things that Virginia Roberts was saying that were true? Maxwell?
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  There isn't anything that she said that was true. McCauley.
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  Nothing she said that you were aware of is true. Maxwell.
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  I think she is correct when she talks about what
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  her name is, McCauley, anything else, Maxwell, I'm sure there
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  must be one or two other details, but they are
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  so far and few between. I would have to look
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  in detail at all of her allegations to pinpoint well
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  possibly could be true. McCauley, did you ever ask Jeffrey
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  if he had sex with minors? Maxwell? I have never
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  been asked that question. McCauley. You never asked him that question.
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  What analysis did Jeffrey do to determine that the statement
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  Virginia Roberts were making were lies? Mister Pagliuca, objection to
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  the form and the foundation? Maxwell, Can you ask me again, please, McCauley,
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  What analysis did Jeffrey do to determine that the statements
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  that Virginia Roberts were making were lies? Mister Pagliuca, objection
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  to the form and foundation. And to the extent that
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  any of this answer calls for any privileged communication, I'm
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  instructing with myself or another lawyer present you in any
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  common interest agreement, I'm instructing you not to answer. McCauley.
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  This court ruled she is entitled, and you had to
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  produce documents about communicating with Jeffrey. That's what I'm asking about.
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  I'm not asking about communications with your lawyers. I'm asking
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  what analysis did Jeffrey do to determine that the statements
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  that Virginia Roberts were making were lies? If you know,
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  mister Pagliuka, my objection is to the extent she learned
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  any of that information as a result of either a
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  privileged communication from a lawyer, one of her lawyers, or
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  a privilege communication subject to a joint defense agreement or
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  common interest agreement. I'm telling her not to answer to
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  the extent she has information outside of those things she
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  is permitted to answer. McCauley, do you understand. So if
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  it was a conversation with a lawyer, which I'm not
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  asking about, I don't want you to tell me about
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  your conversations with lawyers. I want you to tell me
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  whether Jeffrey Epstein ever told you what he analyzed in
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  order to determine just exactly what lies Virginia is telling. Maxwell,
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  I do not know what he did. No, so you
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  agree she is lying secret McCauley, I do not agree
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  with that, and I'm asking the questions Maxwell. You just
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  set her lies. McCauley, I'm repeating a statement that you made. McCauley.
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  Are you saying it's an obvious lie that Jeffrey Epstein
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  engaged in sexual conduct with Virginia while Virginia was underage. Maxwell,
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  I can only testify to what I saw and what
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  I was present for. So if you were asking me
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  what I saw, then I'm happy to say testify. I
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  cannot testify to what somebody else did or didn't do.
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  All right, folks, We're gonna wrap up right there, and
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  then the next episode we'll pick up where we left off.
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